This Is John Carver’s Case He Will Make To Charnley


John Carver’s best chance to get the Newcastle job is to point out to Lee Charnley that he was given a threadbare squad in early January,  and then lost some players before even February rolled around – Davide Santon was allowed to leave for Inter-Milan, and young players like Haris Vuckic and Remie Streete were even sent on loan to Rangers, and nobody was brought into the club to reinforce an already weak squad.

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John Carver – will the best coach in PL get the job?

In addition to that we then  lost players with injury such as Cheick Tiote, Siem de Jong, Rolando Aarons, Steven Taylor,  Paul Dummett, Massadio Haidara and others.

And to make things even worse top players like Colback, Cisse, Coloccini, Sissoko, Janmaat and Williamson got themselves suspended – Cisse for a massive seven matches.

This is what John has said after the win on Sunday against West Ham that saved our bacon:

“I think there have been an awful lot of things gone against me and the fact that there would be a big summer ahead of us.”

“I would be given the opportunity to bring players in, and liaise with Lee Charnley and Graham Carr to bring players into this football club to make it better.

“And I wanted to have the chance of doing that.”  “This is a big summer now and I have had assurances that we are going to spend money.”

“So the fans can now go away, have their summer holidays, look forward to players coming through the door.”

“But also look forward to that fixture list coming through.”

John’s case is that yes his record is bad – but in five months he had to put up with so many problems and setbacks like no other manager has had to handle in the history of the game – and he dealt well with every single one of them.

And he can point out that managers like Jose Mourinho, Steve McClaren, Alan Pardew and even Freddy Shepherd have said he should get the job.

But when all is said and done with John Carver more is said than done – as we have found out many times this year.

And the very last thing Carver will want to point out to Lee is his terrible record of results.

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It’s a difficult case to make, but we know John’s a good talker who talks a very good game to offset his results which are simply not there – these are sometimes referred to as excuses.

But Lee Charnley should be able to see straight through the smokescreen John puts up to defend his poor  record which almost got Newcastle relegated.

And remember Lee Charnley doesn’t come out of this looking golden either,  and Mike Ashley was obviously shocked that Newcastle were so near relegation at the end of the season.

Lee’s decision-making has to improve at the club, and he must not let sentiment enter into the decision he makes – always a cardinal error in management.

John will also indicate how well he has worked with Lee and Chief Scout Graham Carr – and how well they get on – but an experienced executive would see right through John’s weak case.

But Lee is not experienced and at a normal business, John would have no chance of getting the job.

Newcastle are far from being a normal business, and while it would seem almost a suicidal decision if Charnley did appoint John Carver to the job – the fact that he’s in with a chance shows you how Newcastle are being run these days.

Bottom line – Carver shouldn’t get anywhere near the job – but he could still end up as the head coach.

Comments welcome.


33 comments so far

  • jayphoto

    May 26, 2015 at 9:48 AM

    Comment #1

    @lesh seen alot of jimmy floyds interviews, hes in the local paper most nights lol hes far far too strong a character to be an assistant in my opinion! Really think he’s destined for the top but a premier league move could break him so soon. Hes clever too! Turned down bigger clubs than Burton higher up the leagues to come here because be thought it was the right place with the right chairman!
    Tbh i assume Burton Albion is attractive to any manager outside of the championship purely for the facilities! Theyve got full use of St Georges Park (the england football centre) meaning probably only the manchester clubs and Arsenal train in better centres

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  • shaun__

    May 26, 2015 at 9:51 AM

    Comment #2

    Clearly in know way should it be Carver. If Ashley’s comments are to get any credibility Newcastle now need to act swidtly and decisively. I would have already liked to have seen them thank John for his efforts but he won’t be the head coach and they will take a steer from the new HC on back room staff, leaving the option for him to stay in that capacity (I’d hop not though)

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  • lesh

    May 26, 2015 at 9:51 AM

    Comment #3

    If that’s the best that Carver can come up with, then he shouldn’t have a leg to stand on.

    Some of the problems he’s faced weren’t of his making but his man-management skills have contributed to many of his problems.

    Did he pi$$ players off to such an extent that they didn’t want to play for him? Yes!

    Were his tactics somewhat naive? Yes!

    Were his communications with the media good for the club? No!

    All in all, he’s had half a season to show what he’s made of and frankly, he wouldn’t get past a first interview for the job in a professionally managed business.

    Sack him – before it’s too late.

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  • shaun__

    May 26, 2015 at 9:51 AM

    Comment #4

    *no (dammit!)

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  • jayphoto

    May 26, 2015 at 9:52 AM

    Comment #5

    Surely the club know Carver as manager would be the final nail in the coffin for most fans…
    Even Bishop can’t spin this one to be positive
    Carver had his chance. Had his audition and failed beyond comprehension.
    Sure we beat West ham! They had half a side fit. The only team in as bad form as us, who hadnt trained all week and whos players Found out a week before that Allardyce was going. Can’t make too much of this win

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  • lesh

    May 26, 2015 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #6

    Jay

    You’d expect that after the fan discontent this season that the club should know Carver as manager would be the final nail in the coffin for most fans.

    However………

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  • Sir Braveheart

    May 26, 2015 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #7

    JFH is destined to be a manager at a big Premier League club one day. Whether we’re the right place at the right time is debatable, but he gets the players working for him, gets the most out of them and his teams are difficult to beat, play some nice football too.

    I’m not adverse to us looking down the leagues if the manager is the right one for the club. I think at this stage one of the most important factors is going to be player motivation. We’re not going to be selling all our deadwood this summer, so we need to get the most out of what we have. Players like Riviere and Cabella might be different animals with the right motivational coach on board.

    I’m mindful of Craig Bellamy talking about Sir Bobby at Newcastle, how he’d come up to Bellamy as they were about to line up in the tunnel and say “Their centre back doesn’t look like he’s up for it today, You’ve already got him beat, he’s scared of your pace” and how he used to feel geared up straight away.

    Carver has already proved that he hasn’t got that in him, that all he can do is say “We’re not good enough” or accuse players of getting sent off to take the easy way out.

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  • jayphoto

    May 26, 2015 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #8

    I don’t actually think getting the job would be in Carvers interest either! Whoever manages us next year starts on the back foot if theyre not a popular choice. Theyll also probably have to deal with fan unrest when we sell krul, sissoko, cisse and Tiote! (Can see 3 of 4 going)
    If the fixture list screws us august and september has the potential to be quite toxic. Doubt Carver could handle it!

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  • jayphoto

    May 26, 2015 at 10:08 AM

    Comment #9
  • hibbit

    May 26, 2015 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #10

    i don’t believe for one minute carver will get the job in fact he will be lucky if he is still at the club making the tea …………..it would be a very big mistake McLaren taking this job at this time McLarens not daft he has plenty of friends in the NE and will have a good idea of the resentment towards him before a balls been kicked

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  • lesh

    May 26, 2015 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #11

    I wonder whether Carver’s setting things up to bring an unfair or constructive dismissal case?

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  • John Tudor

    May 26, 2015 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #12

    tell him theres a bog cleaners job in penfolds office and he is not being sacked

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  • jayphoto

    May 26, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    Comment #13

    I wouldn’t have resentment towards Mclaren but i honestly don’t think he wants the job! Derby have worse owners than nufc, no budget, sell players etc and he chose them over us!
    He’d be a step up from Pardew and Derby played some scintillating stuff before xmas. Worth noting their squad is tiny which could explain drop off in results

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  • optimistic prime

    May 26, 2015 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #14

    Why would Carver stay here?
    He’ll get the Real Madrid job

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  • Graeme

    May 26, 2015 at 10:19 AM

    Comment #15

    Carver should be told quite categorically – “Thanks John – Goodbye”!!
    He has pissed the players off, accused one of deliberately getting sent off and has proved beyond doubt that he is NOT the man NUFC need.

    We should be going balls out to get a Garde or a Klopp onboard. Offer him a similar Contract to Pardew BUT make sure there is a goal – The target is to win the FA Cup or qualify for the CL within the Contract time frame.

    Ashley likes incentives – so give him one – then back the man with sufficient funds to enable a good squad to be built and let him develop them over the period. Its not bloody rocket science, is it!!!

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  • Sir Braveheart

    May 26, 2015 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #16

    Pardew was a better option than Carver

    McClaren is a better option than Pardew

    I’d take Hasselbaink over McClaren

    I’d rather have someone with a proven track record of developing teams from the ground up over Hasselbaink.

    If it’s Carver who gets the nod I’m going to burn Charnley’s nuts off with a blowtorch.

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  • ilovetoon8788

    May 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM

    Comment #17

    Look at Jonas performance in the left midfield and compare it with the useless cabella. Jonas had so much more penetration and motive when going down the flank.

    The way Jonas cut in from the left was classic wing play and shot. Cabella can take a lesson from our legend!

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  • jayphoto

    May 26, 2015 at 10:23 AM

    Comment #18

    Id love Garde to come providing he brings his Lyon backroom staff! Not bothered about him but his staff…They are the staff responsible for Grenier, Lacazette, fekir, gourcuff, umtiti in the past michael essien, benzema, ben arfa, lloris etc…
    Joel Bats is a fantastic goalkeeping coach for top level modern goalkeeping

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  • ilovetoon8788

    May 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #19

    And I almost forgot the left legged cross by Jonas for sissoko goal. Cabella should learn about Jonas on how to play in the wing.

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  • Graeme

    May 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #20

    ILT8788 – Wasn’t Cabella supposed to be the Cabaye replavement?

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  • jayphoto

    May 26, 2015 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #21

    @ilovetoon8788 – to be fair Cabella played his whole career at montpellier as a central #10 with only very occasionally covering right forward. Same as Riviere never played as a target man or #9, gouffran never played in midfield and Yanga-mbiwa never played full back.
    I really wonder if our managers ever watch our players previous to them joining! We play so many out of position its unreal

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  • ilovetoon8788

    May 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #22

    I think cabella has played in the wings many times for montpellier.

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  • jayphoto

    May 26, 2015 at 10:40 AM

    Comment #23

    @ilovetoon8788 – very very different system mate when he did! They playedvery high, very narrow and he had zero defensive responsibilities. He never saw the sidelines or got chalk on his boots!
    In the 13/14 season when he was most successful He played exclusively central though.

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  • Rotonda heights

    May 26, 2015 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #24

    P 11
    L 9
    D 1
    W 1

    JC has no case to plead, totally indefensible to be that bad. Can’t believe he’s not walked / been sacked.

    JFH may be a left field choice but compared to JC and McLaren, yes please.

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  • Toon-Prodigy

    May 26, 2015 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #25

    Hasselbaink!!

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  • headtheball

    May 26, 2015 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #26

    road to Damascus
    noun
    used in reference to an important moment of insight, typically one that leads to a dramatic transformation of attitude or belief.
    But big Mikey travels by chopper. Has he even been to Syria?
    Call me cynical but all the man said was he will not be selling up anytime soon.
    No mention of a five year plan or aiming for a high position in the league.
    All very vague and without passion.
    Lip Service.
    HWTF

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  • sickandtired

    May 26, 2015 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #27

    And what about Ashley’s decision making, Ed?
    This is the bloke who has given us Jimenez, Wise, Llambias, Kinnear and Pardew. The same bloke who appointed Charnley (the Club secretary, FFS!) let’s not forget.
    As an example of management he ranks with David Brent (The Office) for sheer incompetence.
    The best two football people he has had, he fired and / or undermined (Houghton / KK).

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  • davetoon

    May 26, 2015 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #28

    Lets get things straight. The 2 biggest reasons for nearly getting relegated are #1 appointing Carver and #2 not strengthening in jan window.

    at least we wont have to wait the whole summer to see if Ashleys new reincarnation is just another pack of lies as we should know within the week

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  • martoon

    May 26, 2015 at 11:01 AM

    Comment #29

    You gotta love the fickleness of fans. 6 – 12 months ago all the comments were along the lines of Jonas was finished, his legs had gone, he only has his workrate. 🙂
    Seriously though you have to wonder whether he was severely restricted by Pardew’s tactics & orders because he has certainly looked a lot more like the old Jonas when he first came to the club.

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  • The Great Valerio

    May 26, 2015 at 11:22 AM

    Comment #30

    *Yawns* What’s Carver’s record as caretaker coach again? There are just so many times anyone can read the same regurgitated guff on this tedious blog.

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  • Moonraker15

    May 26, 2015 at 1:10 PM

    Comment #31

    Only one club in England, possibly the world where Carver, Charnley and Carr would still be employed when you look at strategy, recruitment and results this season.

    De Jong is obviously a crock, Cabella will never make it in PL, Rivière well nuff said!

    Only under Ashley! HTF did he make his money if his appointments at Newcastle are typical? Baffled but optimistic !

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  • Moonraker15

    May 26, 2015 at 3:53 PM

    Comment #32

    Can’t believe we haven’t had a scrap of real news! Surely Charnley had a plan for each of the two possibilities ? Ie relegation or PL !!

    Why hasn’t the pr@ck got a plan in place he’s had f@ck all to do for weeks ?

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  • Blackstarbullet

    May 26, 2015 at 10:09 PM

    Comment #33

    Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. Was it not John Carver who turned around in January and said he was happy with his squad. Now it’s all not his fault. NUMPTY

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