Lee Charnley Could Be Playing A Dangerous Game

Most fans are of the opinion that John Carver proved without any doubt that he is not equipped to be the new head coach at Newcastle and with a record of three wins in 20 games managed he would simply not get the job at a proper football club, and he would have been ruled out by now.

john carver at qpr

John Carver – amazingly could still get the job

Indeed in most football clubs (those who strive to do well on the playing field and try to win things), he wouldn’t have been allowed to have remained in the position and taken Newcastle so near to relegation, when we looked as safe as horses when he took over.

Thant tells us a few things and one is the head coach if very important,  because a good coach can get the very best out of his players – something that John Carver was not able to do.

The second thing is that John Carver – not only because of his coaching inadequacies but also because of the way he conducts himself in interviews – would be a terrible choice by the club as the face of Newcastle United.

Most fans agree with that prognosis, and there were too many times this year that Carver was simply embarrassing in his interviews.

Should John Carver Now Get Head Coach Position?

  • No (97%, 9,064 Votes)
  • Yes (3%, 233 Votes)

Total Voters: 9,297

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But we keep reading in the local press that John is still under consideration,  and that Lee Charnley knows Carver was operating with a threadbare squad – and that’s true – mainly because of the failing of the Managing Director not strengthening the squad in January.

So one view could be that John is really a good coach and it was the squad,  made weaker by suspensions and injuries this year – which was the real reason why Newcastle struggled this year.

If Lee Charnley believes that then he could still appoint John Carver as the head coach – unbelievable as that may seem.

We still have that concern.

If Lee forms that opinion if could be tragic for Newcastle and we’d definitely be struggling next season.

That’s even more possible when we read in the local press that nothing in the way Newcastle operate in the future with a triumvirate of Charnley, Carr and the head coach will change much.

And the coach will not have much say on who comes and who leaves the club in transfer windows, and has to accept that when he joins the club.

If Carver is appointed head coach or Steve McClaren is appointed head coach with Carver as his assistant, that would be another very poor decision by the Managing Director.

Especially when some good coaches are available who would cost no compensation this summer.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.

37 comments so far

  • ToonFromLeeds

    May 29, 2015 at 8:46 AM

    Comment #1

    Carver and the coaching staff should be goners

  • ToonFromLeeds

    May 29, 2015 at 8:49 AM

    Comment #2

    Get the new head coach set on now THEN let him go on holiday

  • tweaked

    May 29, 2015 at 8:51 AM

    Comment #3

    nah I think charnley burnt his fingers with the carver appointment, reckon if he does that his job is at stake too. Ashley is a business man and will not want to lose out on big money payout if we in the top 8

  • nut meg

    May 29, 2015 at 8:51 AM

    Comment #4

    Two wrongs don’t make a right, or in Lee Charnley’s case umpteen wrongs don’t make a right.

  • Ron Knee

    May 29, 2015 at 8:52 AM

    Comment #5

    I can’t see Ashley approving the Charnley/Carver old pals’ act.

  • Blackley and Brownlie

    May 29, 2015 at 8:57 AM

    Comment #6

    The club extend ST renewal deadline by two weeks. Carver returns from his two week break. The club holds a press conference to announce new manager. Only teasing, Ed.

  • optimistic prime

    May 29, 2015 at 8:57 AM

    Comment #7

    Charnley is playing a dangerous game.

    I hope it’s chicken with a bus

  • phillips88

    May 29, 2015 at 8:59 AM

    Comment #8

    Seriously if Charnley appoints this mug as head coach, I’m switching teams, maybe Bournemouth, least they play to win.

  • hibbit

    May 29, 2015 at 8:59 AM

    Comment #9

    i dont know if this is true or not but my mate says charnley goes on holiday on the 1st of june ?

  • YouCouldn'tMakeItUp

    May 29, 2015 at 9:00 AM

    Comment #10

    Who are the 115 paralellagrams who voted yes?

  • YouCouldn'tMakeItUp

    May 29, 2015 at 9:02 AM

    Comment #11

    Charnley playing the same dangerous game over players and coaches we play every year at nufc. Come on Ashley, if you meant what you said, then get involved and sort it out NOW.

  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    May 29, 2015 at 9:03 AM

    Comment #12

    Chasing players
    Who being a player would want to come to the TOON when we don’t have a manager.
    For F••k’s sake get the management sorted out one way or the other first and PROMPT.

  • hibbit

    May 29, 2015 at 9:05 AM

    Comment #13

    blackley hows the new datsun cherry ……….carver is away for 3 weeks in the journal….which fits even better for any announcements

  • lochinvar

    May 29, 2015 at 9:06 AM

    Comment #14

    Allardyce says too soon to join Mackems. Moyes turns them down. Clement heading for Derby ? Klopp ready to come to UK with Liverpool in mind ( must be mad ) . That would add Rodgers to the looking for a job list. McLaren in no mans land.
    All this before talk of Garde and others.
    And there’s still talk of Carver and Stone. Unreal.
    Only hope is that the club are ensuring that their legal case for removing the clowns and fixing their pay offs is watertight. Might be that they already know their fate but they and the club have signed Confidentiality Clauses preventing any announcement until an agreed date. In the meantime the Club are finalising the deal for ?

  • Big Archie

    May 29, 2015 at 9:07 AM

    Comment #15

    I on’t think we have a lot to worry about Ed.

    If they are considering giving Carver the job you would have to ask the question “how bad would he have to have been NOT to get the job?”

    The stats would suggest that he could not have been much worse.
    He hs to go.

  • ToonFromLeeds

    May 29, 2015 at 9:08 AM

    Comment #16

    Wishful thinking lochinvar?

  • lesh

    May 29, 2015 at 9:10 AM

    Comment #17

    Carver should never have been allowed to continue as temp HC after his first half dozen or so games.

    His whole demeanor, his tactics, man-management, his media persona were terrible and he proved to be a disaster.

    The way he continually talked himself up while slating players was an embarrassment to the Club and he did not do himself any favours in what was in reality a extended job interview, trial and his credibility in the game must be near zero.

    If Charnley is, if he is actively and earnestly trying to recruit a credible HC while touting Carver and his crew as a condition of any appointment, then he’s wasting his time. Who on earth would be happy to work with Carver? Nobody!

    Charnley would be best advised to thank Carver for his efforts and tell him that if he does truly love Newcastle United, he’s to be stood down and moved out.

    We haven’t got time to be touting Carver as a condition of employment and Charnley should be told to recruit the best, no matter the cost.

    Carver and his colleagues are expendable and in no way worth the risk of keeping him – at great risk and cost.

    Charley really needs to wake up and consider the risks attached to his shilly-shallying – or get out!

  • ToonFromLeeds

    May 29, 2015 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #18

    Lesh, you couldn’t have put it better than you did. Do you fancy replacing Penfold?

  • ToonFromLeeds

    May 29, 2015 at 9:14 AM

    Comment #19

    Everyone on this planet with eyes can see Carver is no good, so surely the board must realise he has to go!

  • The overrated Frenchman

    May 29, 2015 at 9:14 AM

    Comment #20

    There’s no legitimate reason to be taking continued time in appointing the new “head coach”. The position effectively became vacant nearly six months ago. Just another example really of poor management at the upper levels of this club. Dithering and delaying when being decisive is what’s required. Absolutely clueless.

  • mindshaft

    May 29, 2015 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #21

    I presume the people voting yes are actually related to JC or are one of Carvers coaching numpties

  • YouCouldn'tMakeItUp

    May 29, 2015 at 9:16 AM

    Comment #22

    Good post, Lesh.

    In SBRs day, carvup was a suitable assistant. The game has out-grown him,or to put it another way, he failed to grow with the game and adapt to the ever changing styles. I cant see a suitable position for him at all at the club.

  • mindshaft

    May 29, 2015 at 9:17 AM

    Comment #23

    Carver is hardly going to resign, he needs the cash – Charnley should man up and pay them all off then tubby should sack him

  • lesh

    May 29, 2015 at 9:17 AM

    Comment #24


    Charnley shouldn’t be allowed to go on holiday until a new externally-recruited HC is formed up.

    Surely the Club must come before his holiday as MDs are supposed to commit to their job 24/7.

  • lesh

    May 29, 2015 at 9:19 AM

    Comment #25


    Who are the 115?


  • YouCouldn'tMakeItUp

    May 29, 2015 at 9:19 AM

    Comment #26


    To be fair, Charnley could probably find a better coach than Carver in Spain, lying drunk outside a taverna.

  • lesh

    May 29, 2015 at 9:21 AM

    Comment #27


    Hibbet, sorry mate; my mickey mouse phone called you Hobbit.

    Bought it at SD!


  • YouCouldn'tMakeItUp

    May 29, 2015 at 9:21 AM

    Comment #28

    But but but…. lads, he’s a Geordie, and and and… he lobes the club…..and and..he is the best coach in the prem…..and and…..f/#&= €@&$€= &÷¥£€&÷ #&%ing c^=#

  • YouCouldn'tMakeItUp

    May 29, 2015 at 9:23 AM

    Comment #30

    Oops. My phone must be SD too. Lobes = loves

  • Oldgit1

    May 29, 2015 at 9:24 AM

    Comment #31

    19Oldgit1 // May 28, 2015 at 11:28 PM

    I’m thinking that the news regarding ST renewals appearing to be low would suggest at long last the power now reverts back to us supporters.

    Let the fat man sweat and do not renew until a decent head coach is brought in. When announced hold back a bit longer and see what players we get in. If good renew if bad don’t simple.

    In any case if tickets sold are low, we all know how Ashley likes a cut price sale with tickets greatly reduced by 70%. Win win situation.

    Well done to all the supporters who like me have decided to let the club wait for once. Power to the supporters.

  • The overrated Frenchman

    May 29, 2015 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #32

    We probably don’t want to admit it to ourselves, but really we know the head coach is going to be either Carver or McClaren isn’t it? Charnley and his cohorts don’t have the intelligence or imagination to look any further outside the square.

  • jon.c

    May 29, 2015 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #33

    I think the set up will be the same next season Carver &co top dogs Charnley has not the guts to change anything any good MD would have this sorted other clubs can do it

  • BoyDoneGood

    May 29, 2015 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #34

    Carver would have a cast-iron case for constructive dismissal: “They KNEW I was incapable when when they appointed us. Everybody knaas am as thick as a chock me.”

    Seriously, why would Charnley sack him (as Head Coach) when he can be sidelined without fuss by going through the motions: we promised you an interview, on the day X interviewed better…

    The timescale is frustrating for fans – we are impatient for good news (please) – but interviews for a key post with a 7-figure salary take days. I’ve been on interviewing panels in education, including several head teachers, and they involve the candidate demonstrating their ability with a task (teaching, or analysing a set of results, etc), explaining what they have previously achieved and how it fits them for the post, explaining their personal philosophy, explaining what they see as the priorities, explaining how they see the role developing in the future. They usually provide handouts and give a PowerPoint presentation. (Sorry, John. On the day, X interviewed better…). That isn’t how it used to be in football, but it’s how it is in business.

    Pokat slipped in a remark about my comment that a million or two dip in season ticket sales is “small potatoes” – so why would the club be panicking and extending the ST deadline? What I actually wrote was that a million or two is small potatoes for Mike Ashley, whose wealth is over a thousand times that amount – this was made clear at some length. But it is a major concern for Lee Charnley, who is a paid employee, and you are looking at his response to slow ST renewals. MA is one of the richest men in the country – why have a dog and bark yourself? The present situation is Charnley’s mess to sort out. Ashley knows where the buck stops, but his input is hiring, incentivizing and firing the board.

  • nufc 11

    May 29, 2015 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #35

    I dont think LC doubts that JC is an awful choice the problem is they already gave him the job in Jan on prob a long term deal too these are suppose to be savy bisiness men now why the fcuk would you do that?cos he was cheap? Thats the road to ruin, I hope the fans dnt renew ST until they see prove that this lot are capable of changing things for the better. The one thing I keep comming back to is why is JC’s name still on the the shortlist to be next HC? bcoz they could come and say thanks John for help but we are looking else where but there not he is still on this imaginary shortlist why is that would it be bcoz he is already the HC in waiting? The top brass will let this linger on all summer and say the usual dribble that they tryed desperately to get orther men in but to no avail, bullshit dont buy it I hope the fans dnt renew take back the power. Does MA really think by doing an interview promising the world fans will bow down and kiss his feet for the prevledge fcuk him and the horse he rode in on big changes, big actions and money changing hands might make fans believe.

  • mickalfas

    May 29, 2015 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #36

    Sounds good in the real world,your forgetting this is nufc (a world unto its own,reality has no bearing here )
    The interview would take 1minute per person
    1 There will be no badmouthing of the fuhrer
    2. You will work with whoever we buy for you,no questions asked
    3. Are you cheap?
    Please sign here
    Interview over ,that’s how quick it can be!!!

  • Big Archie

    May 30, 2015 at 2:30 PM

    Comment #37

    Its funny how “trendy” phrases can become.

    For years nobody has mentioned the term “confidentialy agreement” now I’ve seen it in 3 different posts in 3 days.


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