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Here’s Something Good About Steve McClaren

6:22 pm, Wednesday, June 3rd, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 192 Comments

Steve McClaren was fired from the England manager job in late 2007, when England failed to qualify for the 2008 Euros and that was the first time England  in 24 years  had not qualified for the European Championships, and it brought to an end the shortest stint of any England manager – just 18 games in 16 months. Kevin Keegan’s stint as England manager was only three months longer than that – 18 games with seven won, seven drawn and four lost.

Steve won 9 games, drew four and lost five as the England manager.

steve mcclaren home to reading

McClaren’s last game in charge at Derby – a 3-0 home defeat by Reading

Since  that difficult experience for the 53 year-old he has managed at four clubs – FC Twente (twice), Wolfsburg, Nottingham Forest and Derby County with his most successful spells being at FC Twente,  and he was fired from the last three positions and lasted only a matter of months at Forest before he resigned in 2011.

It seems Steve is now almost certain to get the Newcastle job, with the Englishman 1/6 odds on with SkyBet and John Carver still second favorite at 6/1 – why?

One good things we hear about Steve  is from the players he’s coached and two of them are Michael Owen and Sunderland’s’ Jermaine Defoe.

This is what Michael Owen said about the link to Steve McClaren back in late April on BT Sports”

“It doesn’t look like John Carver will get the job on a permanent basis.” “I think if Derby don’t go up into the Premier League, then Steve McClaren could be a good candidate for that job…

“He is an exceptional coach. I have worked with a lot of good coaches in my time, and he is right up there.”

And today Jermain Defoe has said this about McClaren – who he trained with as part of the England side:

“He’s someone I played under for England. He’s a good coach and I always enjoyed training with him.” “He’s a good manager with good experience especially at this level.”

Certainly the players seem to like the way he coaches.

While we still don’t understand why Newcastle couldn’t have gone after some top coaches who are available – we have to assume they would not fit in with the rigid way in which the club is controlled by Lee Charnley and Graham Carr.

At Newcastle the coach is not as powerful as those two – and Patrick Vieira seems to have quickly decided the structure at Newcastle was not for him and we wonder how long that phone call last with Lee Charnley – 23 seconds maybe?

It’s almost as though Charnley and Carr want to keep control of the club over the head coach – at least that’s what it’s looking like from the outside.

We hope that Newcastle bring in some good players this summer, and it will be very important that McClaren gets off to a very good start in the league – which he didn’t do at Forest four years ago and lasted just 13 (unlucky for some) games.

Fans are underwhelmed by what Newcastle seem to be doing since the Mike Ashley interview and we saved ourselves 10 day ago – and there will be little patience for another poor start to the season like we had last year.

The other thing we should quickly point out is that Steve is a good man and will much better at representing Newcastle to the press than John Carver was – so we suppose that’s another plus for McClaren,

But Steve shows signs that he’s been under pressure a lot in his previous managerial posts (see the photo above as an example), and it will not get any easier at Newcastle.

If Steve is appointed, we’ll be very disappointed that the club didn’t take their chance and appoint a proven good coach like David Moyes, Remi Garde or Michael Laudrup – although our favorite was Patrick Vieira who could have really got the fans behind the club again.

Maybe Charnley and Carr know something the fans don’t, but given our very mediocre performance over the last eight seasons when we finished in the top ten only twice, we doubt that.

Here’s our record under Ashley, and notice we have beaten 50 points in the Premier League only once in the last eight seasons, and fought against relegation three times and been relegated once.

SeasonPointsPlace
2007-20084312
2008-20093418 - relegated
2009-2010102 *1 - promoted
2010-20114612
2011-2012655
2012-20134116
2013-20144910
2014-20153915
2015-20163718 - relegated

It’s not the appointment we wanted to see and the fans need to hear from Lee Charnley soon about what’s happened this year – he needs to meet soon with the Fans Forum.

Lee needs to explain his actions since the end of last year when he weakened the Newcastle squad, and what is in Steve McClaren’s record that can make make him successful at Newcastle?

Those would be two good questions to kick things off with at the meeting – and fans will be very interested to hear what the Managing Director has to say.

Comments welcome.



Tags: Coaching · Head coach · Management · Newcastle News · Premier League




192 responses so far ↓

  • 1 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 6:25 PM

    As much as I hate the thought of Schteve being the hc he must need his head checking if he accepts JC as his assistant

  • 2 Pokat // Jun 3, 2015 at 6:25 PM

    I thought it was that he had all his own teeth and could drive a tractor. wrong again.

  • 3 Spreadthetoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 6:26 PM

    Haven’t read the article coz I wanted to finish the headline……cos he turned down the job?!right…

  • 4 armchair fan // Jun 3, 2015 at 6:27 PM

    Bet he can’t wait to get up North, whip out ye olde umbrella for the shower of sh*te we’re about to be served up with

  • 5 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 3, 2015 at 6:27 PM

    Armchair

    Have a tablet, fella. I was only having a bit of fun!

  • 6 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 3, 2015 at 6:29 PM

    I mean, ffs,if we cant laugh at ourselves in this current predicament, what can we do?

  • 7 John Tudor // Jun 3, 2015 at 6:29 PM

    not long till he quits over health issues then

  • 8 armchair fan // Jun 3, 2015 at 6:29 PM

    YouCouldntMakeItUp

    I wasn’t getting worked up, just banter an all.

    I guess it’s hard to come off in a jokey manner through text

  • 9 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 6:35 PM

    someone should show SM this blog and all the negative polls and the pillock won’t come

  • 10 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 3, 2015 at 6:37 PM

    Armchair

    Aye, true enough. No worries mate.

  • 11 Belfast // Jun 3, 2015 at 6:47 PM

    Well I think it’s safe too say his coaching staff would be an improvement on the current coaching staff, especially the goalkeeping coach. Just can’t see Ashley binning the current lot though.

  • 12 croftus5678 // Jun 3, 2015 at 6:48 PM

    oh dear……looks like we got ourselves a right catch here doesnt it ;-(

  • 13 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 3, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    I have a funny feeling Mclaren is going to turn us down at the last minute and join the Mackems or West Ham

    I just cant see him willing to work with our coaching staff without being able to bring anyone in

  • 14 Toonmania // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:01 PM

    Don’t like Defoe’s words, he says he’s a good coach at “this” level this being their level “the scum” we are far superior to them and a cut above I mean we was even big enough to gift them 6 points to enable them to stay up without us they would have been relegated.

  • 15 beermonkey // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:07 PM

    lcbp

    I think they have had McLaren signed up for ages and are desperately trying to get a decent players signed then announce McLaren the player is to soften the blow he will also say he only came cos of the dream McLaren sold him

  • 16 check the toastie // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:09 PM

    I will take shteve In a heartbeat if it means ridding the club of the leftovers of Pardews awfully shite reign.

    If Carver goes, will welcome Maclaren nee bother. At least the club have made some attempt in making a positive change. Although he doesn’t make the juices flow he is experienced and may just work. Actually less of a risk than Garde or Veira, but not as sexy I suppose.

  • 17 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:19 PM

    @beermonkey

    Yeah thats what I originally thought 3 or 4 players in the same week with Mclaren to show we mean business

    Theres also the train of thought Charnley and Carr are running about daft not being able to get anyone in and totally shitting it that they can only offer it to Carver as no one else wants it ….

    Either of the 2 scenarios is very possible until we get an official announcement with signings through the door I am very worried

  • 18 ganiyu // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:22 PM

    what is in Steve McClaren’s record that can make make him successful at Newcastle?

    his most successful spells being at FC Twente. He can replicate that performance at nufc next season.

  • 19 Pokat // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:22 PM

    it’s gonna take Rentokil to get rid of the incumbents. They’re dug in like frickin ticks this bunch of cone kicking amateurs.

  • 20 Pokat // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:24 PM

    And the well get stevie Mac and it’ll be like an upgrade ha ha we are being softened up like a dog for a Chinese food festival. Sorry that was a bit foodist.

  • 21 Pokat // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:26 PM

    But hey listen mind I’m prepared if he comes here to give the lad a chance we’ll all look like typical norvern buffoons if we’re knocking on champions league door next year won’t we?

  • 22 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:27 PM

    @beermonkey
    That makes sense just hope the players are good enough to soften the blow

  • 23 dave 1961 // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:27 PM

    Here’s something dad about McClaren notice the slide (downward).
    1995–1999 Derby County (assistant)
    1999–2001 Manchester United (assistant)
    2000–2002 England (assistant)
    2001–2006 Middlesbrough
    2004–2006 England (assistant)
    2006–2007 England
    2008–2010 FC Twente
    2010–2011 VfL Wolfsburg
    2011 Nottingham Forest
    2012–2013 FC Twente
    2013 Queens Park Rangers (coach)
    2013–2015 Derby County

  • 24 dave 1961 // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:27 PM

    or Bad even

  • 25 Pokat // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:29 PM

    He is a bit of a dad though Dave. Hey you’re not a Dad-ist as well are you Dave?

  • 26 Pokat // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:31 PM

    Just think nufc could be tagged onto that list as the final nail in his career coffin. Or his glorious triumph! No no thats right nail it is.

  • 27 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:31 PM

    It’s not often you hear a player talk bad about a coach unless they have had a spat!

  • 28 Pokat // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:32 PM

    Cmon everyone I’m doing the work here you’ll have Welshgeordie on if you’re not careful.

  • 29 Average_Contents // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:32 PM

    Is it just me or have I missed the something good section?

    Head scratcher of epic proportions.

  • 30 Pokat // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:33 PM

    No average it’s easily missed, if you notice in the picture he has a matching sweater and terylene slacks. That has to count for something.

  • 31 Pokat // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:34 PM

    Mind he always looks like he’s on the sauce and just come out of the tax office

  • 32 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:35 PM

    is the something good the SM isn’t JC??

  • 33 Pokat // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:37 PM

    Toon from leeds that’s actually the title of the motivational poster in Lees office.

  • 34 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:39 PM

    EA sports have announced that FIFA 16 will have the Women’s international teams in tge game for the first time!

  • 35 welshgeordie9 // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:40 PM

    In mcclaren we trust, i back him.

  • 36 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:41 PM

    PMSL pokat

  • 37 Barton // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:41 PM

    As Steve Gibson said about McClaren,”if he said the grass was green i would need to go outside and check” i think that says it all,saying that he will fit right in with Tubbs & Penfold.

  • 38 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:42 PM

    I wouldn’t trust Schteve McClaren as far as I could throw him

  • 39 beermonkey // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:48 PM

    lcbp

    I think there struggling to get players onboard
    soon they will be forced to offer big wages for mediocre players
    there isn’t anything appealing to come and play for us at the moment
    and McLaren has just been sacked by a championship club given that we have a no cups policy 2 out of 3 seasons in relegation battles and form and why as a player would you want to come here

    I think this is why Ashley came out with his I wanna win something speech there are some good free’s available and I am sure we have been talking to some of them I bet the word coming from the agents is no sorry no cup comps and mid table not what my player is after

    it has been proved clubs outside the top 5 can win cups its a good lure

  • 40 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:50 PM

    I find a bit surprising that Shteves character and trustworthyness is already under fire before he has even signed the dotted line. Is that not a bit extreme at this point? When did we start following the gospel acording to steve gibson? Whatever view people have on shteves record, surely he deserves a chance? Certainly ahead of carver, pardew and the likes of pulis and co who was linked in january. No wonder other fans think geordies have become delusional.

  • 41 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:51 PM

    Steve Gibson “If Steve McClaren said to me the grass is green, I would go out and check. He can be charming but he had this streak of ambition that was absolutely bloody ruthless and you can’t go through life always trying to achieve your ambitions at the expense of others.”

  • 42 Pokat // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:51 PM

    Oh I think we’ve been out. The wrong track this is the McLaren Lees been giving the once over https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL_eIZjiLUk

  • 43 nightfa11 // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:52 PM

    best news ever 🙂

    http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/06/03/report-newcastle-defender-mike-williamson-open-to-summer-exit/?

  • 44 p // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:54 PM

    steve effing mclaren, the near term future looks very grim.

  • 45 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:55 PM

    Well, we wouldn’t want a mamager with a ruthless ambitious streak, would we? 😉

  • 46 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:56 PM

    Oh no what are we gonna do? Mike Williamson wants to leave
    https://nufcdigest.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/newcastle-defender-mike-williamson-open-to-summer-exit/

  • 47 p // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:59 PM

    @40, no he does not deserve a chance, he’s s$%#e.

    He did not want to come to NUFC when he thought there was a chance of promotion with Derby or the possibility of relegation with us.

    I honestly thought the club might have turned over a new leaf and start making some smarter decisions. Not so, I can’t see how this won’t end badly.

  • 48 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 7:59 PM

    Isn’t that the whole idea of football? to achieve your ambitions at the expense of others!

  • 49 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:04 PM

    TFL

    Exactly. I was being sarcastic 😀
    Ruthless managers are successful. Thats why i just think Shteve is not the most horrendous appointment. There are quite a few names that were linked in the past that he is preferable over. Thats not to say he was my first choice, either. It’s just not as unambitious as people think imo.

  • 50 Belfast // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:06 PM

    He had ambitions to manage a bigger football club than Middlesbrough Markass. Who wouldn’t ? 🙂

  • 51 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:07 PM

    P

    So, we don’t want a manager who has designs wanting to win? Suppose we better get allardyce back then. Maybe steve keane is after another job.

  • 52 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:09 PM

    YCMIU lets hope e shows some hat ambition here

  • 53 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:09 PM

    Belfast

    Fair point. Id rather manage the makems than boro. 😀

  • 54 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:10 PM

    Any chance we can ship John ” best coach in the world” Carver to Sunderland?

  • 55 p // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:10 PM

    @51 how do you get from me not wanting McClaren managed Newcastle to me wanting someone in the ilk of Allardyce or Keane?

  • 56 dave 1961 // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:16 PM

    YouCouldn’tMakeItUp @ 51

    Carver’s the best coach in the premier he told us all as much why not go for him, same sort of record sacked from his last three jobs.

  • 57 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:16 PM

    TFL

    Agreed. On the other hand, if he performs badly, then i hope he is axed at xmas. 6 months is long enough to judge what kind of manager he will be for us.

  • 58 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:20 PM

    P

    My point is this. The reaction to shteves possible appointment is prematurely extremely negative. Its insanity at times on here. I sometimes think that if we got Wenger, people on here would moan because they want mourinho.

    I keep saying mc is not my first choice, but to write him off is rediculous.

  • 59 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:22 PM

    Dave

    I hope comparing SM to JC and deciding they are in the same league is a joke. Thats ludicrous.

  • 60 p // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:30 PM

    I would not moan if we got Wenger, I promise.

  • 61 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:32 PM

    No one should ever put Mclaren in the same bracket as Carver !! Hes a big upgrade on Pardew as well !!

  • 62 Belfast // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:32 PM

    You’d think the Yorkshire ripper was coming in on work experience Markass 🙂

  • 63 GeordieTwo // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:33 PM

    Sepp Blatter arriving at work today:
    “Quickly people, hide all the money! Here someone get a bag and stuff all this cash from my desk in it!!! Is anyone opening a Swiss account today?? Will you stop doing whatever you’re doing and focus on the essentials? You, shred all records immediately. If there’s too much to shred start burning it outside. Someone check the windows and see if the police have arrived! You see, you need me in charge don’t you?

  • 64 GeordieTwo // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:35 PM

    Does Sepp have to do everything??? It must be so frustrating for him.

  • 65 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:38 PM

    Belfast

    Sutcliffe….OOT! 😀

  • 66 Riviere Run Dry // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:40 PM

    Usual suspects still harping on? Waaah! Waaah! Waaaaaaaaah!

  • 67 GeordieTwo // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:41 PM

    Steve McLaren has proven himself to be a very mediocre Championship manager. That’s good enough for Mike and Lee. The yacht pissups will be monumental.

  • 68 GeordieTwo // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:42 PM

    And every other kind of mental as well I’m sure.

  • 69 GeordieTwo // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:44 PM

    Personally I can’t wait for next season. To see Riviere score his second league goal. And possibly De Jong and Saylor will play 7 or 8 games. And Obertan can run around and get some fresh air. It’s wonderful to have all this to look forward to! Huzzah!!!

  • 70 dave 1961 // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:44 PM

    YouCouldn’tMakeItUp

    how is it a joke they both got the sack from their last 3 jobs the joke is people are now staring to except Mcclaren as the best we can get, he might be on the wages we pay, keep the pressure on until the crap managers want the same to take the job then they might just say well lets just get a better one, giving McClaren 6 months will only make you 6 months older. Then we give the next clown 6 months when do we break the cycle of failure?

  • 71 GeordieTwo // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:52 PM

    So nobody else is looking forward to Riviere’s next league goal? We may only have 10 or 15 league games to wait lads. Don’t wait too long, get set for the celebrations!

  • 72 GeordieTwo // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:55 PM

    To cry, cry me a Riviere
    Cry me a Riviere
    Cry me a Riviere
    Cry me a Riviere, yea yea
    A bit repetitive but we all get the point don’t we?

  • 73 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:56 PM

    Dave

    I have said many times that i wanted better. I dont think mc is the best we can get. I just dont think he is the worst by a long way. Getting sacked from the same number of jobs does not make the skill sets the same.
    If SM got the sack from a gordon ramsay restaurant, a raymond blanc one and a marco pierre white one, then JC got the sack from macdonalds, pizza hut and wimpy.

    SM is wayyy above JC. That is not saying much i know, but its true.

  • 74 beermonkey // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:57 PM

    g2

    he will score goals if coached right has a knack of getting in the right place at the right time then fluffs his lines

  • 75 ayecanny // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:58 PM

    I’ll generally be happy with Stevie mc, hope he brings a bit of a English core.. If he brought will Hughes, I’d be buzzin..

  • 76 geordieboy83 // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:59 PM

    Evening all.

    A few things I don’t get.
    Why do people keep harping on about Derby and their bad run? It’s been pointed out countless times their squad got decimated by injury, however when full strength they were fantastic

    Why the fascination with he’s been sacked he’s sh1te? Guess what pretty much every manager has been sacked at some point. Some of the greats, some of the names we all clamour for. Even our own legends? Sir Bobby sacked by us, kk not sure but walked away every time when going got tough. Ancelotti, capello, pellegrini, Mancini etc.

    Point is sacking is part and parcel of the game. If de boer had been sacked or garde would you still want them? Course you bloody would

  • 77 remember69 // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:00 PM

    Let’s be realistic here. Fans are going nuts because we failed to sign a manager with ZERO (yes ZERO) experience of managing a team in ANY division, but are ready to write off a manager who was once thought of as good enough to manage England.
    You can point to records, but as we all know a workman can only be good as the tools he is provided,
    MClaren may not be the sexiest of choices, but let’s give the guy a chance. If professionals believe he’s a good manager he at least deserves a chance.

    On Carver, of course MA is going to keep him around. He’s still on that 7 year deal, correct? Why get rid of him and have to pay compensation? I would rather that go to the purchase of another player.
    BTW – he too is another that may not have been given a fair deal. You can hardly say the team was his own and he was forced to work with a severely depleted squad. Not that I want him as manager but again it is unfair to compare results with other (successful) managers that have had a free reign with both money and players.

  • 78 Grumpy // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:01 PM

    speechless at our lack of ambition.

  • 79 GeordieTwo // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:02 PM

    I hope so beermonkey mate. Some of his misses were hard to believe. Yet I did see him take up good attacking positions as well. A new head coach may be able to bring out the best in our squad for a change.

  • 80 ayecanny // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:03 PM

    Give the guy a duckin chance rather then slate the kid straight away, this is the problem with these blogs. Yous get obsessed and join a hate cult, just shut up support it and be positive ffs

  • 81 GeordieTwo // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:03 PM

    Wouldn’t that make you Bashful instead of Grumpy then@78?

  • 82 GeordieTwo // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:05 PM

    Are you talking aboot Stevie Mac ayecanny mate? I would hardly call him a lad. Possibly a Wally yes. Still, I think he will be better than Johnny C. He could even be our next great mediocre manager under Mike. Incredible.

  • 83 dave 1961 // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:06 PM

    geordieboy83

    yes there’s being sacked by the top clubs, but when you get sacked by Darby that’s a sign you are on the slide. McClarens a yesterdays man and not even a good one, at his best he was average now hes on the slide.

  • 84 Small World // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:06 PM

    Steve McClaren’s record:

    Probably the 3rd highest of management achievers prior to appointment – in the History of the club.

    Sir Bobby, Kenny Dalgleish and then Steve McClaren.

    Scary but true…. We have a track record of appointing some real no marks. Some have worked, some haven’t.

    The real problem with this guy is his persona. Can’t seem to warm to him. He opens his mouth and he doesn’t seem to be sincere – just like Pardew.

    If he takes up the job, I’ll take a view by Christmas.

  • 85 GeordieTwo // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:08 PM

    Does anybody remember that Disney film with 7 dwarves? Who were they again? Let’s see now…..Farty, Klepto, Scuzzy, Rancid…..Other than Grumpy and Bashful that’s all I can remember.

  • 86 remember69 // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:09 PM

    Breaking NEWS! We are about to hire a manger that …

    “resulted in him winning the League Cup, taking the club into Europe, reaching the UEFA Cup final and eventually leaving for the England job”.

    Good enough for NUFC? Wonder who that could be?

  • 87 dave 1961 // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:10 PM

    remember69

    Graham Taylor he was an England manager?

  • 88 ayecanny // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:11 PM

    Aye, I just don’t understand why people hating on him already. We want to see attacking football I’m sure he does that, people hear french managers names with no prem experience and get annoyed that we don’t get them.. They have probably never watched a match managed by these people. I’d rather just get him in as soon as possible stop all this shite and get some signings

  • 89 p // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:12 PM

    come on…

    McClaren only got the England job because he was cozy with the FA. He got the job by default and showed is lack of ability.

    I don’t have an issue with a sacked manager (I would take Ancelotti for example) but, McClaren just does not have a good record.

    He will have to deal with injury at Newcastle, we are always near top of the injury league. We need someone who can deal with that not have it as an excuse.

  • 90 GeordieTwo // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:12 PM

    I’m really getting excited now remember69 mate! Well?…..Who is it then?

  • 91 geordieboy83 // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:12 PM

    Dave 1961, evening mate

    I see what you’re saying but it’s all relative really. It’s about what’s expected at them clubs. I’m not sure how to word it properly, but Real Madrid their aim is the same thing, on a completely different scale. If top managers fail with the very very best resources, ain’t they just as applicable as to somebody who can’t get out of the championship (renowned for being one of the hardest leagues out there).

    I hope I’ve worded it right. Failing with less resources is a damn site better than failing at the very top.

  • 92 beermonkey // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:14 PM

    g2

    McLaren is pretty hands on from what I have read
    for me whats key is getting rid of what we have and bring in some new coaches
    you can see our lot are so poorly coached just our basics are rubbish
    so even with McLaren I am expecting the players to be better

  • 93 GeordieTwo // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:14 PM

    That’s very sensible ayecanny mate @88. But Mike is building up suspense so people can have time to renew their season tickets. That’s more important than having a head coach working on improving the club.

  • 94 Small World // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:15 PM

    ayecanny // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:11 PM

    Too true. Got my reservations about Steve Mc however, I’m right behind the manager and players, whoever they may be, the first game they set foot on the pitch next season. What’s the alternative?

  • 95 GeordieTwo // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:17 PM

    I think you’re right beermonkey. McLaren will make us better for a while. But he seems to fade badly after a few months or a season or two. That’s been his record pretty well everywhere. Still I would like to see us improve, even if it turns out to be temporary.

  • 96 dave 1961 // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:19 PM

    geordieboy83

    no its not failing at the top you still achieve something how many of our fans would see tip six as failure we are the 3rd best supported club in the country we are still one of the richest clubs in world football, sadly we have an owner that has no ambitions for the club, if we take a stand now we save the next season or maybe the one after we except McClaren its business as usual, we are not getting someone who failed at the top we get a failure form the fizzy who turned us down twice.

  • 97 Rotonda heights // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:21 PM

    83

    that’s the point though, Galtiere, garde, tuchel , de boer, viera, favre etc haven’t been sacked once , let alone 3 times and the other 3 jobs mclaren left were by mutual agreement. hmm..

    Plus they all offered something fresh, exciting, new and different and hadn’t turned us down twice already.

  • 98 investinyouthtoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:22 PM

    @ayecanny

    How are we supposed to get excited over a failed and third rate coach with a proven record in massive failure, ie. Forest, Derby, England etc…..

    I for one wasn’t expecting Klopp or Benitez, but I was hoping for somebody better than McClueless. Even Dyche from Burnley would have been a true statement of intent from the club.

    Agreed SM is better than JC, but that aint exactly a hard job to do. Even Captain Birsdeye would be an improvement on JC

  • 99 beermonkey // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:24 PM

    g2

    I think it will take a couple of seasons and to fair it could be a good thing
    under pards and co we have been so inconsistent in the way we play I cant remember the last time we played ok for 90mins
    McLaren and new coaching should sort a lot of this out
    I think a couple of seasons around 10th and higher will be an improvement on relegation battles and form
    if we add to the squad in the right places perez Aarons abied and 1 or 2 more can come through and we should by then be able to have a proper go at the cups

    1 thing is for sure our transfer policy wont change so we wont be buying our way to win the cup

  • 100 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:27 PM

    Even Stevie wonder would do better than JC

  • 101 Average_Contents // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:34 PM

    I’m getting the distinct feeling the blogs currently under attack from club employees or at least soon to be ones.

    Is that you lee? Or john? Or shteve 😉

  • 102 Uri Gellers Magic Mind // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:46 PM

    McClaren is actually a very decent coach. Alex Ferguson isn’t going to have you as an assistant if you’re a bad coach. Bit of a chequered history as a manager but as a head coach he knows his stuff.

    We weren’t ever gonna get Klopp, De Boer etc we need a bit of stability and more importantly a united ‘football board’ don’t forget this is Charnley and Carr’s call not Ashleys. I’m not an Ashley sympathiser but his interview was spot on in relevance to the hiring of a manager, it’s not his job he’s not a football man he puts his trust in those that are loyal to him, sadly for us he keeps picking the wrong people. Mort, Wise, Llambias, Kinnear, Charnley none of them had ever done the job asked of them before.

    Ultimately like he said it will always fall at his door and this summer is very very important get it wrong again and they’re all in trouble. It’s intriguing let’s just wait and see (and not buy season tickets)

  • 103 Belfast // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:47 PM

    He wasn’t a total failure at Derby like, bottom half of the championship under Clough to promotion contenders. That is not a failure.

    From what I’ve read he was replaced at Derby due to a chairman change, a different direction, down the young fashionable manager route. Even though this young fashionable manager has never been a manager. If that doesn’t work out the new man will look quite foolish in my opinion. Especially when you’re paying the rookie 3 million a year for 3 years.

    England failure : Who wasn’t ?

    Forest: 11 games ? How many managers have they had in the last few years ?

    Is this the start of the pro brolly brigade ? 🙂

    I’m on the fence at the moment. Lol

  • 104 the white tino // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:48 PM

    McCartney is exactly what the slug wants another Fu##in puppet who will do and SAY what he’s told!!! How many actually don’t think that’s the case??? Probs one of worst coaches we could appoint from a fans point of view SLUG OOT HWTF DONT GIVE UP

  • 105 geordieboy83 // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:49 PM

    Yeah granted the ones mentioned ain’t been sacked but haven’t really been around the world, or had more than one job. I’m honestly not trying to be a div, but when them managers have managed for 10-15 years and ain’t been sacked then fair enough.

    Dave, failure to win the title is the equivalent of us not getting top 6 for the top teams. We are a massive club but have had decades of underachievement it’s not a recent problem. 52000 fans is great but doesn’t give us a right to be top 4.

    At the end of the day I wanted somebody better, but reality bites you in the ass so I’m just going to give the bloke a chance.

    I saw something a couple weeks ago asking for a sackmclaren.com. Ffs come on, it’s funny but embarrassing at the same time.

    I’m going to get abuse I expect but it’s just my view, I hope to win a cup and I hope to get into Europe regardless of the manager. Just give the bloke a chance

  • 106 the white tino // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:49 PM

    McCartney? Fu##in mcclaren doh

  • 107 Average_Contents // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:49 PM

    Beermonkey

    That’s what the apologetics used as a defence for the slug not so long ago.

    Something along the lines of – What more do you want we’ve only just been promoted (I know you didn’t say that bit) so let’s stabilise in the top 10 and then we can push on.

    My point being is we’ve already been in this situation before so why should we have to start again?

  • 108 Belfast // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:51 PM

    Shit that was pro brolly all the way haha

  • 109 Mister Tuff // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:06 PM

    Tubbs ………………………………….OOT
    Pro Brolly wallies…………………….OOT
    Mediocrity wallies……………………OOT

  • 110 lesh // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:12 PM

    Don’t get too excited about McLaren.

    He hasn’t been appointed, may not be and then Charnley’s ace’s played.

    Then critic’s have a lot to cheer about when the new HC is confirmed – Honest John Carver!

  • 111 welshgeordie9 // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:12 PM

    Happy gang are on.

  • 112 Mister Tuff // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:15 PM

    hoy fool – get back under the bridge!

  • 113 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:16 PM

    Would love it just love it if after all the moaning from everyone that it ended being someone quality we get …..

  • 114 NezzaNUFC // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:18 PM

    People seem to don’t realise that SM utilizes wingers.

    We have 2 natural wingers Roland ( Injury prone ) and Obertan!

    Prepare for another Pardew/Carver era

  • 115 welshgeordie9 // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:19 PM

    Was it something i said.

    Ha ha ha

  • 116 beermonkey // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:25 PM

    average

    no we shouldn’t have to start again
    if we had done things right we would be in the group with spurs and Liverpool behind the top 4
    but we haven’t done it right
    and from what I am seeing we wont be doing it right in the near future either 6mnth wait for a manager and the best we can come up with is McLaren
    its just like waiting 2 years for ba’s replacement and being given riviere

    until the foundations are put in place properly we will be bolting a ot of nags onto carts in the next few years

  • 117 Moonraker15 // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:27 PM

    80 applicants for the job in January and we are about to appoint a guy who turned us down at least twice and has just been sacked as not good enough for a mid table Championship club?????

    This is almost unbelievable if it wasn’t Newcastle! What a waste of all that money that could buy success.

    Ashley will squeeze our club till it is dead as a dodo when we now have the best opportunity we’ve EVER had to be successful! Why us when so many smaller clubs are excelling ?

  • 118 check the toastie // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:28 PM

    Just as people start to convince themselves maclaren wouldn’t be as shite as first thought, charnley announces carver is staying on for next year. you know it could happen… our expectations in the folk who run the club are so low we will accept anybody but carver.

    very clever manipulation by fatman and blobbin…

  • 119 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:30 PM

    Blackley’s started something. We’ve got “Armchair Fan” and “You couldn’t make it up”. Next we’ll have “GOTCHA”: Good Old Tuff Checks His Atlas.

  • 120 the white tino // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:34 PM

    Spot on moonraker club is being strangled to death, slug I’m convinced wants to make us suffer asmall much as he can Hwtf slug oot

  • 121 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:34 PM

    Oh Dear Papiss is gonna be in trouble
    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/606211097255931904

  • 122 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:38 PM

    Apparently Clement Grenier was seen on a flight from London to Newcastle by a frenchman

  • 123 Setchell // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:45 PM

    The sun should be ashamed….. That poor young girl died and cisse gets front page spread for getting married! Idiots!

  • 124 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:47 PM

    Agreed Setchell

  • 125 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:55 PM

    You gotta give the club credit 😉 they really do take their time courting SM!

  • 126 Our Toon // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:55 PM

    Setchel

    It says more about society than anything else!!

  • 127 Our Toon // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:58 PM

    Listening back to the interview Ashley gave, he says he has no say over who the next manager will be….he knew they’d be getting mcclaren in but didn’t want to take responsibility

  • 128 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:58 PM

    …but I think we all know there never were 80 credible applicants let alone 5!

    …and they never interviewed anyone and still hasn’t!

  • 129 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:58 PM

    A comment from Sky Sports Post Joe makes some good points !:

    No doubt this will upset a lot of NUFC fans who don’t think of him as a particularly exciting appointment but haven’t watched Derby the past two seasons, they play exciting attacking football with young British players. He transformed FC Twente into a winning side. Looking at NUFC managers, past present and potential – his win rate is higher than Allardyce, Rodgers, Moyes, Galtier, Carver and Pardew and only slight less than Garde and Howe (who haven’t managed much) and Souness. And that includes his dreadful spell at Wolfsburg. I for one am absolutely delighted that we are not getting Carver again and happy that we are getting a man of experience at the helm once again.

  • 130 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:00 PM

    Zzz zzz zzz!!!

  • 131 one fine day // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:11 PM

    remember 69 @ 77
    where do I start on this one?
    “On Carver, of course MA is going to keep him around. He’s still on that 7 year deal, correct? Why get rid of him and have to pay compensation? I would rather that go to the purchase of another player.
    BTW – he too is another that may not have been given a fair deal. You can hardly say the team was his own and he was forced to work with a severely depleted squad. Not that I want him as manager but again it is unfair to compare results with other (successful) managers that have had a free reign with both money and players.”

    First you say you don’t see why fans are up in arms at not signing vieira ?

    I’m not going to repost everything that’s been said over past week here but I’m sure if you do a bit of research on the guy you’d get why.
    firstly he would have represented a shift in policy for Nufc and shown the ambition we crave .
    His experience and career in football is top drawer and players would play and sign for him.
    can you honestly say about carver/ stone and maclaren?
    you also advocate keeping someone like carver around to simply avoid paying of his contract?
    we were 9th when he was given the job … how many places did we drop down the league under his “stewardship” and so how much cash did we forfeit by finishing way lower?
    I will hazard a guess its a lot more than what it would have cost to get rid of him and stone and woodman.
    you say carver wasn’t given a full squad to work with ?
    but so pleased was he to get the job in January he came out and stated we had more than enough to get us through to the end of the season while saying nothing about further weakening the squad while helping out inter Milan , roma and rangers.
    Would any coach with an ounce of integrity do that?
    Do you also think carver , given money, would buy the right players … such as who ? A CARROL?
    Your name suggests you are a little older than me so have had the pleasure of seeing a winning team.
    I was born in 69 so have no idea what that’s like and when I see fans like you suggest Maclaren is what we need and cannot see past that then I have to realise I will never see success at that club in my lifetime.
    Don’t even get me started on Moncur either .
    My biggest concern is that under MACLAREN nothing will change .
    He will simply continue where Pardue left off as the puppet for the regime.
    A more incompetent set up you will not find at any club in the premier league .
    After dodging relegation we are now simply going to repeat the whole process and already seem to be looking at cheap / free transfers and prospects.
    and any decent player will continue to be sold or use us as s stepping stone.
    so fans are not up in arms about just not getting PV its what that decision represents again with regards to any level of honest ambition from those who are now milking what was once a fantastic club for its last drop.

  • 132 one fine day // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:28 PM

    Already looking forward to the new season its going to be the best ever …
    I think to lower expectations further we should scrap walking out to local hero .
    dare I suggest “why does it always rain on me” by Travis
    that will get the crowd in the catatonic state required to remain silent every 90 mins as every team treats us like a training session and enjoys the freedom of St James .
    F@@K ASHLEY
    F##K CHARLADY
    F@@K CARR.

  • 133 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:32 PM

    Oh dear if BBC reporting it I tend to believe it
    https://nufcdigest.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/bbc-newcastle-united-steve-mcclaren-set-to-be-named-boss-next-week/

  • 134 Toon Tang // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:59 PM

    Super massive lols (laugh out louds!!) for Steve McClaren eh. Will be interesting to see what differently he can do with this bodged together bunch of misshapes, display models and select seconds that Carvdew / Pardew couldn’t.

    And whatever you do, don’t stick your arms or head out of next seasons roller coaster ride people… They may get bashed off by the many obstacles that will no doubt litter the track. POW

  • 135 Mister Tuff // Jun 4, 2015 at 12:13 AM

    Looks like some of the old Pro -Percy Brigade are morphing into a new movement -the Wally Brolly Brigade – another Legion of Dishonour/Jam Tomorrow Brigade/Give him six months movement.
    Wake up lads the circle is starting up again.

  • 136 BlackWhite and Red // Jun 4, 2015 at 12:16 AM

    Why should I support SM ? He is part of the lie. We’ve been lied to so many times and it looks to continue. we were told the next manager would not get it because of being pen pals. Another lie.

    It was posted further up that we should not get rid of JC and use that money towards new players. Guess what ? Our owner is a BILLIONAIRE! I’m pretty sure he can afford to pay off the whole back room staff, still get new players in, and still make an extra million in less than hour.

  • 137 Thump // Jun 4, 2015 at 12:26 AM

    @BlackWhite and Red: Sure, but our Billionaire owner has said multiple times that he wants the Club to be entirely self sufficient, meaning if somebody gets paid off, it comes out of the Club’s money – not his (unless he wants to give us yet another loan… ugh.)

  • 138 jimmysmith // Jun 4, 2015 at 12:28 AM

    McAllen would be ok. Probably an upgrade on Pardew on the training pitch. But really Pardew would have done a lot better had he been backed with the the right players at the right time. Why did Pardew leave, if the “horse was about to be bolted to the cart.”I expect McClaren will get better support than Pardew, because he has to, after how last season panned out, but no way is Ashley all of a sudden gonna start throwing money at it. No way. I don’t mind, but what is still so galling is the extra investment that Pardew should have been given, was never going to cause the club distress, and how many millions lost because of the austerity.

  • 139 davetoon // Jun 4, 2015 at 12:30 AM

    I posted here after Parsnip left and Carver was handed the job that they are leaving him in charge as Charnley adnd Carr believe we couldn’t be relegated but Carver would be so bad that Carrs mate Schteve would look like the messiah when he was hired.
    Then it got too tight for them and relegation was a real possibility and so they tried to get Schteve in sooner.
    He of course turned us down because apparently Derby is a better job.
    Then he gets sacked by Derby and Carr and Charnley then pretend that the club is looking at different managers. WHAT A JOKE!
    It was Schteve ALL ALONG! Carr has his best mate and Charnley and Ashley have a muppet who will be glad to have another Pardew just happy to have a job and will do as they are told.

  • 140 BlackWhite and Red // Jun 4, 2015 at 12:30 AM

    @ Thump – He’s fed us a lot of things. So what are we really suppose to believe on face value from him?

  • 141 jimmysmith // Jun 4, 2015 at 12:43 AM

    Pardew was good with the players though, and good with the media. That’s become clearer since he left. McClaren looks more of an upgrade on Carver than Pardew. But you might wonder if the players now need to be managed better, rather than coached, although that obviously wouldn’t go amiss. You might further wonder then if this focus on a coach rather than manager might be Ashley’s next major blunder in waiting, and it always comes back to money, or has.

  • 142 lochinvar // Jun 4, 2015 at 12:44 AM

    Why talk of Abeid joining Sheffield Wed before McLaren takes over. Surely Abeid should be allowed to stay and work with McLaren before any decision is taken.
    Or is McLaren already the Head Coach without any say in team matters and is the yes man at Chanleys beckoning. Just leaves me feeling unimpressed, bored and indifferent to how the club is run. To those bloggers who said nothing would change – how right you were .

  • 143 davetoon // Jun 4, 2015 at 12:58 AM

    It speaks volumes that the only poster on here who thinks Schteve is a good idea is Toon Brother

  • 144 lesh // Jun 4, 2015 at 12:59 AM

    TFL

    Could we see Papiss moving to France soon?

    Maybe Charnley could use him as part of an incoming transfer deal?

  • 145 Bri // Jun 4, 2015 at 12:59 AM

    By the end of next season Mclaren will need a toupee to cover that ever increasing bawled patch with the pressure he’ll be under.

  • 146 lochinvar // Jun 4, 2015 at 1:00 AM

    What was the word I was looking for to describe my feelings towards McLaren, Carver, Chanley … ” nonplussed”
    Or was it “numb”
    Or even “indifferent”
    ” whatever”

  • 147 Novocastrian66 // Jun 4, 2015 at 1:08 AM

    McClaren ticks all the right boxes; Desperate, Cheap and we don’t have to buy him a new club tie!

  • 148 Average_Contents // Jun 4, 2015 at 1:17 AM

    Jimmy

    Please just no.

    Yes he was brilliant with them especially so as we lurched from 3-0 scorelines to 4-0 ones. Brilliant.

    I often find myself wondering why the press loved him so much. Must of been when he blamed them for defeats. Too much reporting going on and all that.

    I bet they were ashamed for sending out those pesky match reports on a weekly basis saying how utterly shite we’d been then having the gall to question him (occasionally)

    Oh and just because we’ve been treated to honest john’s spouting does not absolve pardew of his own specials when here.

    Those were legendary.

  • 149 Average_Contents // Jun 4, 2015 at 1:20 AM

    I often wonder what actually constitutes as a mental breakdown nowadays. Then remember jimmy 😉

    Or is it MPD

    Either way it’s unhealthy.

  • 150 Average_Contents // Jun 4, 2015 at 1:26 AM

    I can’t really talk though

    Everytime I think of this club and what the slugs done to us I break into cold sweats, my brain starts to melt, then my eyes and finally my head falls off.

    Your not alone jimmy. I’m with ya bud.

  • 151 Pop n Wyn // Jun 4, 2015 at 1:48 AM

    A few thoughts on things regarding the Toon, mostly bad but maybe a few not so bad.

    1, we dont play our best teams in the cups, neither does any bugger else, and we always seem to go out of cups most of the time when we have a half decent team on paper, playing.

    2,The way most look at it we would get nowhere near a cup with our full team out anyway.

    3, We sell all our best players to make a profit ie Andy Carroll 34m profit,”wanted to go” i would have taken the bit for him also the Scousers came in for him we did not offer him to them.

    Cabaye took the massive huff when again he wanted to go after his agent set up the PSG deal, we did not out him to PSG they came for him, 14.5m profit.

    Demba Ba, had the clause but he was desperate to go to Chelsea without doubt, he wanted to go 7.5m profit.

    Debuchy wanted to go as soon as the gooners came in the deal was set up 6m profit.

    4, Now as we all knnow MA gambles with our emotions, he dosnt give a monkeys, and he deserves the flak he gets, we have had half a dozen good opportunities to push on and bring players in but he waits to get players cheaper out of contract or nearing the end of contract, that has backfired on us virtually every time then he has to go out and bunch buy in desperation.

    6, Why has Lee Charnley still got a job, it was criminal that he did not recruit in the winter window”as MA said he is in charge of that”.

    7,The continued lack of respect for our fans is disgusting, they are still playing the smoke and mirror game, looks like they always will dosnt it.

    8,Why does Lee Charnley not tell players their contracts are being renewed he supposdly is the hiring and firing guy, bit of a sneeky fcuka if you ask me.

    9, So that is a bit of a mixed bag of myths imo and truths, there are thousands of Toon fans who do not want our club to be succesful while MA is here so the negativity will always be there our severly watered down if we do have a decent run.

    10, I am sick to the back teeth of our club looking like puremugs every season, MA has cheapened this great club without, we area laughing stock most of the season, i have gave my honest opinion good and bad, also we are secure financially the cart is full as been said, now start making that luck you seem so good at with your other businesses and for god sake push forward, you have the opportunity like not ever before, its up to you.

  • 152 Shot Bru // Jun 4, 2015 at 1:49 AM

    The dream team huh!!

    McLaren, Carver, Stone, Woodman, Carr, Charnley, Ashley and Bishop…

  • 153 Shot Bru // Jun 4, 2015 at 1:53 AM

    Pop n Wyn

    Show some ambition and your best players will stay a while longer!

    Imagine we had hung onto some of those players an extra couple of seasons.

    We might have won something by now and Ashley would have packed up and moved on…right!?!

  • 154 canuckmag // Jun 4, 2015 at 1:56 AM

    Used to fly from Teesside Airport to Holland every week and often SMc was on the flight. Really nice fella to speak to and not at all arrogant. He was ALWAYS on his laptop reviewing games players etc. making notes, he is certainly a thorough individual. Having said all of that I am underwhelmed at the lack of ambition by the club, when will this ever end? I don’t blame SMc for taking the job and thinking he can be the one that fixes it all, BUT he has NO chance with the current back room staff, that is all down to Ashley, Charnley and Carr. I have no idea what they see in any of these clowns in the coaching staff…onwards and downwards I ‘m afraid.

  • 155 Pop n Wyn // Jun 4, 2015 at 2:09 AM

    Shot Bru, i do get what you are saying and we need to reinvest more heavily, but money talks without doubt, but only four players of note have left in 8 years, and of course the quality of replacements are questionable cisse/Ba for Carroll, Janmatt for Debuchy thats ok, Sissoko for Cabaye i know slightly different but still essentially midfielders, for France anyway, Colback is ok but obviously not as good as Cabaye in my book, We have not been a million miles of the mark but we should have pushed on with more signings, they have the chance again.

    We all know other big clubs let their better players go Ronaldo Bale Torres Saurez Henry Fabregas Adabeyor ¬when at Arsenal, so thats twice with the scousers, they do invest with heavier amounts of money but not maybe better players,and are they any better.

  • 156 jimmysmith // Jun 4, 2015 at 2:43 AM

    Now now, AC. Where did I say he was “brilliant”. I said “good” with the players and the media, perhaps less good on the training pitch and insufficiently backed by the owner, at which point you of course take the liberty of going off on one, again.

  • 157 expatmag // Jun 4, 2015 at 3:50 AM

    Lets be honest here. Many of you dont want McClaren because he got sacked from Derby for not getting promotion.

    Many of you also wanted Karanka from Middlesbrough……….and yet he FAILED to get them promoted.

    You people need to be realistic.

  • 158 Sydney Toon // Jun 4, 2015 at 4:42 AM

    Expat
    I believe most were expecting that after the bad run, he would get overlooked. I for one am not exactly excited to have him, his record appears good but having someone like Vieira or Laudrup would have really lifted things. However, when Derby were going well, there was rave reviews about their style of play and ability to close out tough games. Also, he is a big factor when it comes to our youth policy. Not to mention a certain Will Hughes crediting McClaren for his rise to the first team.
    I dont doubt his coaching ability, i doubt whether he can return us to a minimum Top 8 finish, unless there is considerable investment. But my positive side of me tells me this, a certain Mark Hughes was met by protect at Stoke and has led them to two top 10 finishes and brought a decent brand of football in utilising the squad he had with a few additions. I hope that McClaren can rebuild his reputation with us, but again its more hopeful than confident.

  • 159 Santon03 // Jun 4, 2015 at 4:52 AM

    Tbh, he is not my choice, I prefer to have Italian or from Serie A coach in charge since I’m a big fan of Italian football. I would not say he is definite NUFC coach until official announcement. But if he is our new coach then give him time at least 1 season.
    He is not a bad coach or manager tbh, his record and the team managed is quite good, he has delivered more than the team capable of. He is not headline maker but I think given time and support and good squad he will do well, the only problem is fans expectation is silly and changed all the time.
    Don’t just look at the end results, look at what he has to work with to get that result.
    I wouldn’t judge him by his record as England manager, because England team sucks and overrated just look at the big clubs in epl, how many english players in their 1st team?

  • 160 Santon03 // Jun 4, 2015 at 5:08 AM

    I’m kinda glad we didn’t go through with vieira, if he was our coach I could see big protest mid season.

  • 161 Thump // Jun 4, 2015 at 5:47 AM

    @Santon: You’re right, but it’s hard not to be disappointed with it. When Ashley said “I want to win something” a little part of all of us hoped it was true, and we all hoped we’d see just a smidgen of ambition. McClaren’s appointment, for all he’s a decent manager, is hardly fulfilling that promise.

    That said, you might be onto something with the Serie A candidate, mind. The “head coach” thing is quite popular on the continent, isn’t it?

  • 162 cyprus // Jun 4, 2015 at 5:56 AM

    Ed,
    A key word in your article is… ‘seems’

  • 163 ilovetoon8788 // Jun 4, 2015 at 6:04 AM

    The most disappointing thing about mcclaren appointment is we didn’t even freaking try for other big name coach.

    We were set on this useless mcclaren from day one. And he alone was the target. Pathetic. Not even trying for Bilic, Galtier etc.

  • 164 archaeomag // Jun 4, 2015 at 6:07 AM

    Even the BBC are now reporting ” . . it is Thought that . . . W@nga with a Brolly . . . . will be announced…

  • 165 ilovetoon8788 // Jun 4, 2015 at 6:10 AM

    With the imminent arrival of mcclaren, we must be nailed on for relegation by the bookies. Interested to see the odds soon.

  • 166 cyprus // Jun 4, 2015 at 6:12 AM

    An innocent question: where does it say that Mc is a puppet and the rest aren’t? Or, if there is such an issue, should we not have a more formal ranking of puppetness, so we can choose?

    I think puppetry,which is a subjective thing unless we see personality tests for each candidate, or past evidence, is secondary to what the fans want: success. There’s your main criterion: who will bring CL to this club?

  • 167 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 4, 2015 at 6:13 AM

    We don’t want SM because it’s a continuation of what we had and the problem!

    We want to move forward! And like his predecessors this is the best (or at least biggest) job SM can get. It would be an opportunity for him (not for us)!

    He has really done nothing that warrant this job!

    And last but not least he’s not good enough…I know this depends on one’s definition of good. Maybe that is where our whole problem lies?

  • 168 cyprus // Jun 4, 2015 at 6:15 AM

    Note: I’d be disappointed in Mc. Still, if I were to bet, it ain’t going to be him.

  • 169 nut meg // Jun 4, 2015 at 6:16 AM

    After hearing PV was going to be interviewed for the job I wasn’t too excited by it. It took me overnight to warm to the idea and as the time went on I was feeling a lot better about the prospect of him coming, sort of a new broom sweeping clean which was really vital in order to move us forward. Then in true NUFC style came the kick in the nuts.No PV interview, he’s off the radar…enter Steve McClaren again. Now, he wouldn’t have been my choice but now that he looks nailed he has got to be supported. Not only by the board ( you gotta laff ) but by the fans also. SM has been in the frame for most of the time since January & I think it’s fair to say that he would have been well briefed by his good friend GC as to what the requirements were.I’m hoping that during that time he was keeping his eye on our games ,performances,strengths,weaknesses etc so he has a good idea of whats required. Having said that I couldn’t be more confident about him organizing the team better, no square pegs in round holes,etc than Pardew or Carver ever could, lets face it most coaches could. I think a lot of people will be waiting for him to fail so he’ll need a decent start but I for one will give him a fair crack of the whip……he is after all bolted onto the cart !

  • 170 archaeomag // Jun 4, 2015 at 6:21 AM

    Cisse scores again !

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6486167/Papiss-Cisse-weds-secret-lover.html

    .. you couldn’t make it up ..you might say.

  • 171 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 4, 2015 at 6:24 AM

    I don’t think we have to support anyone just because the board throws them at us with an obvious disregard to us!

    I won’t support Charmless and the underwhelmed managers they keep sending our way…unless it signals change.

    I’ll keep protesting to get rid of the deadwood at this club;

    Charmless…Out
    Carver and his team…Out
    SM and the likes…Out

  • 172 toonincheek // Jun 4, 2015 at 6:32 AM

    LC may have the ‘authority’ to recommend/appoint a new manager, but he doesn’t have the balls/status to go against what GC says.

    LC will always be looking to GC for recommendations for a new manager, but with GC in favour of appointing McC, he’s not going to come up with any realistic alternatives.
    Or recommend someone he knows would not accept the restrictions that will be imposed on the HC. Like PV.

  • 173 bobby mango // Jun 4, 2015 at 6:40 AM

    Wow those quotes really fill me with optimism… When do you ever hear anyone say “he’s mediocre. I’ve worked with a lot and he’s somewhere near the middle”
    Pundits always say nice things.

  • 174 Average_Contents // Jun 4, 2015 at 6:45 AM

    Ok jimmy

    You win. I’ll replace brilliant with good. Only because it’s you though.

    I was blinded by your continued use of ifs, buts and only. Cudda wudda shudder. Sorry 😀

  • 175 Ron Knee // Jun 4, 2015 at 6:58 AM

    Made me smile:
    http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/06/newcastle-managerhead-coach-job-re-advertised/

  • 176 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 4, 2015 at 7:05 AM

    Exactly Bobby 😉 tried to make that point earlier

  • 177 Santon03 // Jun 4, 2015 at 7:09 AM

    Thump

    I know we all wanted high profile managers, everyone has different opinion or version of “ambitious”. the category of ambitious high profile coaches like FDB, Klopp, Ancelotti, Tuchel are not available right now to any club. Garde and Galtier probably at the same level as Mcclaren imo.
    Head coach or manager is just a name or title, operational still the same. Especially with low budget teams. They still have a say on what kind of player they wanted in their team, but they don’t have the final say on who will be signed. Most Italian clubs utilized loan more than permanent transfers, even Montella threatened to quit if Cuadrado sold, but in the end he was sold. 2 of our players are signed on loan then became permanent by Italians. They do not want to spend big money and big wages on flops. Once they were flop, their loan contracts are terminated. Can you imagine if manager have full control of transfers and do what Daglish did spent 35mil on a flop? Even giant like Milan now are broke and looking for suitable buyer.

  • 178 expatmag // Jun 4, 2015 at 7:13 AM

    Sydney

    People feeling underwhelmed with the impending McClaren appointment should cast heir minds back to when we played the likes of Southampton and Stoke away and lost abysmally.

    At the time, Derby were top of the league and playing a very attractive brand of football.

    Our fans were baying for Pardews head and I well remember everyone trying to guess the Ashley lip sync at Stoke while crying out for McClaren to replace Pardew.

    McClarens failure to get in the play offs was down to many things which we could identify as similar at Newcastle.

    Things such as small squad, long term injuries particularly top scorer Martin, inefficient players brought in like Bent and Ince and a lack of boardroom backing. Sound familiar?

    If he is appointed, give the bloke a chance.

  • 179 Average_Contents // Jun 4, 2015 at 7:19 AM

    Expat

    It does sound familiar yes. Uncannily like ours.

    So what’s going to be different? He couldn’t do it at Derby so how is he going to do it here if the situations are so similar lol

  • 180 Toon-Prodigy // Jun 4, 2015 at 7:25 AM

    I’m still being cautiously optimistic until this window has closed. As I’v said, for me anyway, it’s the squad that has always had the major flaws that has seen us unable to cope once injuries and suspensions hit in numbers.

    If he spends and builds a quality squad this window, enough to compete all year round, I’ll give anyone a chance in the hotseat this season.

    I won’t judge this whole window or interview saga on just bringing a coach through the door, I’ll be judging on the quality of the squad come the end of the window. Arrivals, outgoings and replacements.

    If nothing has changed by the end of the window and we end up looking like we have just stood still, or, we don’t look like we have pushed the squad on, then I fully expect protests at the first game.

    Summer is only just starting, enjoy it, no need to be sharpening knifes at this point. There is plenty more needs to happen yet before we can make a sound true judgement of the whole situation.

    Bedtime. Enjoy!

  • 181 LGFUAD21 // Jun 4, 2015 at 7:35 AM

    Expat

    Well said. Although I disagree with the Ince part.

    He was in good form for them.

  • 182 magpie6699 // Jun 4, 2015 at 7:35 AM

    Steve McLaren – reasons to be cheerful?
    1. He’s not Carver
    2. He won’t say “we was” or “frew” for through.
    3. He’s unlikely to headbutt anybody
    4. He’s not Carver
    5. Err…that’s it

  • 183 LGFUAD21 // Jun 4, 2015 at 7:38 AM

    And bent aLos for that matter.

    I think both signings were treat moves by mcclaren. Hd the goals they brought are testament to that.

  • 184 LGFUAD21 // Jun 4, 2015 at 7:40 AM

    Tbh

    I am not disappointed we are going for mcclaren over viera.

    Viera would have been a huge risk (more so than a Garde or tuchel)

    I AM dissappointed that we can’t have the ambition that West Ham are showing with their recruitment Marcelo Biesla is someone I hugely rate

  • 185 LGFUAD21 // Jun 4, 2015 at 7:41 AM

    Also IMO SM IS an upgrade on Pardew.

  • 186 Santon03 // Jun 4, 2015 at 7:50 AM

    Mcclaren has won title before with Twente

  • 187 Jail for Ashley // Jun 4, 2015 at 7:50 AM

    I think we’d have all been happier with McLaren if he had guided Derby to an emphatic title win rather than the slump and failure only rivalled by our very own buffoon in charge, the fact that he wouldn’t be any where near us had he been a success says it all, winners have too many terms and conditions.

  • 188 Jail for Ashley // Jun 4, 2015 at 7:54 AM

    An upgrade on Pardew. That is all, people wanted a change of direction not somebody who was going to come in and work to that ridiculous template they have set out, maybe it has been relaxed and cup competitions aren’t going to be frowned upon any more. I can’t believe I’m typing this.

  • 189 archaeomag // Jun 4, 2015 at 7:55 AM

    He will be the Wally with the W@nga Brolly

    Could we refer to SM as WWB or WWWB ?

  • 190 Sydney Toon // Jun 4, 2015 at 7:59 AM

    Expat
    Definitely agree with you, I think there was issues similar to us. The championship is no easy league to win, especially when you dont have a PL quality side at your disposal either.
    I will give him a chance as I always start the season with optimism, I just would have liked a bigger name.

  • 191 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 4, 2015 at 8:00 AM

    McClaren is more of the same. An aim at mid table safety and the global advertising it secures. It is not exciting, or something that offers a lift to the fans. It is an improvement on what we had in Pardew and Carver, but not an improvement that will threaten the top 8 in the Prem.

    Keeping Carver and co is mother kick in the nuts, but one that most of us were expecting. Just the fact that the club are willing to do this is another sign that staying up will suffice. If Palace get Woodman then hopefully we can get Steele in. Another Geordie coach, but this time he will at least have a decent resume behind him.

    Now, player recruitment. Anderlecht have said Mitrovic isn’t for sale, utter nonsense, just an attempt to drive the price up in my opinion. Hopefully Hull have priced us out of James Chester by slapping a ludicrous £10million price tag on him. If he is worth £10, maybe we should offer Willo as part ex, on the same scale Willo is probably worth around £8million.

    All quiet on others, probably because players would like to know who we are looking to bring in as Head Coach/manager. I doubt McClaren will see a rush of players keen to sign on the dotted line. Would like him to bring Hughes with him, and I know Mason Bennet has been on our radar for a number of years as well. He seems to have disappeared from the first team picture though in recent years.

    It would be interesting to compare and contrast the recruitment strategy that the club use when recruiting the new Head Coach, with that of recruiting the head bean counter at the club. I bet that is done in a far more professional way, and based on a solid CV and track record – or just Barry Leach, and further nepotism.

  • 192 jimmysmith // Jun 4, 2015 at 8:07 AM

    Well you can replace brilliant with good all you like, and you’ll still have taken the usual obtuse liberties, but more power to you Pal, you are remarkably persistent. I get it though, you dislike my more moderate distrust and criticism of Ashley and reluctance to vilify Pardew, preferring a more belligerent view. Hey, you might even be right, and certainly would be if self assuredness and owning an unwavering sense of being right had anything to do with it. It doesn’t though, does it?




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