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McClaren Appointment – Where’s The Ambition In That?

8:46 am, Wednesday, June 3rd, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 34 Comments

We thought the Mike Ashley interview an hour before the game with West Ham  10 days ago was a big surprise, and it seemed strange that he gave his first interview in eight years he has been the Newcastle owner just one hour before a game that could have seen us relegated back into the Championship.

mike ashley lee charnley last game west ham

Ashley and Charnley at the last game

But it turned out to be a good call by Ashley, and what he said  for him was very ambitious, and he even received some praise from some quarters – which is again surprising.

Mike said he now wanted to win something – and Newcastle fans hopes were raised with his interview and 63% in our poll were more positive after the interview than before.

Are You More Positive On Newcastle's Future Following Ashley's Interview?

  • Yes (55%, 3,094 Votes)
  • No (45%, 2,517 Votes)

Total Voters: 5,611

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It was even a bigger shock the lads showed fight and determination against the Hammers to put on what was one of the best performance this year, and when the chips were really down.

In front of a full house at St. James’ Park we had a great 2-0 win and even moved up two places in the league which got us another £2.4M from the Premier League.

That performance was more like what fans want to see, and we had some phenomenal play from Jonas Gutierrez, and in addition Vurnon Anita had his best game ever for Newcastle, in what was our most important game in six years.

The first test of whether the club has really changed for the better is the appointment of a new head coach, and we have been linked this last week with Michael Laudrup, Remi Garde and Patrick Vieira, who really got the Newcastle fans going – and he could have been a great new head coach for us.

But what seems to have happened is that Lee Charnley and Graham Carr have not deviated on iota from their initial choice of Steve McClaren as the head coach in early January.

Steve was deemed not good enough for Championship club Derby County, and  not for the first time in the last eight years, the 53 year-old English coach has been fired for poor performance.

And John Carver may be the assistant manager again – and that follows a 20 game period when we were almost relegated and Carver did nothing for his reputation.

In fact it’s been wrecked with 98% of fans not wanting him to get the job as head coach as he did whatever he could to appease and impress Lee Charnley and company – but John didn’t win many games and almost had us relegated.

Should John Carver Now Get Head Coach Position?

  • No (97%, 9,064 Votes)
  • Yes (3%, 233 Votes)

Total Voters: 9,297

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And Steve McClaren lost control art Derby Count this year, and they slipped from the top two in the Championship and finished in 8th place and out of the play-offs – and Steve was sacked.

Did that poor performance form McClaren stop Lee Charnley and Graham Carr from making Steve the new head coach in a new era when we are trying to win something?

It doesn’t look like it.

We don’t know what Lee Charnley and company are exactly doing this week – but it doesn’t seem to fans that we are trying to appoint a new head coach who can make us very successful in the Premier League again – and win something.

That’s what Mike Ashley says he wants to do – so there ‘s a huge disconnect here between Mike’s words and Lee Charnley’s  actions – and Lee seems to be going for the easy choice yet again.,

Appointing Steve McClaren and keeping John Carver in place as the assistant manager – two men who have had very poor performance over the last five months – will do nothing to appease Newcastle fans.

In fact it could make things even worse.

There’s still time for Lee Charnley and company to see the light of day and appoint  a really good coach at Newcastle United – there are plenty available.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Coaching · Head coach · Management · Newcastle News

34 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:53 AM

    Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:51 AM

    I think he is decent for what he is. I certainly wouldn’t call him an ‘amazing player’ as you claimed. He is decent on the deck and very good in the air, but he has done very little in his career to be classed as an amazing player. Be that due to physical flaws or personality flaws (a large amount of both I’d say) it doesn’t matter. An amazing player is such because he plays. Carroll has barely managed a quarter of a season since leaving us – where he really only had half a season of very good displays.

    Wouldn’t fall ill at all, I wouldn’t be totally against his signing, but only as a back up because he isn’t reliable enough to be our main man. He would be far too expensive for that, unless he agreed to a low basic with a high bonus structure, same with the transfer fee. Given that transfer funds are generally at a premium at NUFC, I think money could be better spent elsewhere.

  • 2 JackButler // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:54 AM

    McClaren is on a hiding to nothing even before he gets the job.

    I don’t think people wanted Vieira because of his ability as a coach, it was more that his appointment would have signified a change had taken place at the club and that there was some truth to what Ashley said before the West Ham game.

    Personally I dont see anything changing and no doubt we’ll get more PR rubbish thrown around as the season ticket deadline looms ever closer

  • 3 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:55 AM

    Better than Austin? Austin scored 18 goals for the worst team in the Prem this season. It took Carroll into his fourth season of Premier league football to achieve more than 18 Prem goals.

  • 4 martoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:55 AM

    I don’t know why but somehow I get the feeling that Ed is not Steve McClarens’s greatest fan 🙂

  • 5 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:56 AM

    I’d expect Carroll rumours to increase if Carver was given the job. After all, Carroll owes his career to Carver after Carver switched a young Andy Carroll from a poor defender to a centre forward.

    Who says Carver can’t develop young players!

  • 6 Lost Plot // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:57 AM

    Whoever coming in has to be done pretty soon so we can rebuild team with other than rumours

    On mclaren .. (Not a favourite of mine) but at club level he never spent big or had prolific names to play with?

    Not that it really matters anyway as we won’t offer him transfer money for his footy monopoly board

  • 7 stuart no9 // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:58 AM

    here we go again . not even 2 weeks has passed since we managed to ‘just ‘ stay up ‘ another storm is brewing to leaveb the fans frustrated AGAIN.
    Things will never change at this club untill Ashley is gone and he takes his parasites with him. Its going to be another summer of discontent and an even worse 15-16 season.

  • 8 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:58 AM

    Lost Plot,
    Why? It isn’t like they are going to get a major say in who they want!

  • 9 SuperShearer // Jun 3, 2015 at 8:58 AM

    I’ve said it once I’ll say it again. Ashely’s interview was nothing but words. He now has to put those promises he made into action. Unless he does I will not change my opinion of his ownership of this once great club. He likes to roll the dice but we’re not a casino for him to gamble with. Either put up or shut Mr. Ashley if you want our trust then keep your word.

  • 10 jimiley // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:01 AM

    McLaren and Carver would be the dawning of a new age at the Toon. An age where attacking passing football is played and the Toon is challenging for the title once again. It is great to see Mike Ashley keep his word and herald a new era. I shall certainly be renewing my season ticket. I hope McLaren gets an 8 year contract like Pardew as the club needs stability. Job well done Penfold. You ca award yourself an 8 year contract as well. All we need now is for Mike to back his commitment up and give the new manager 20 or 30 million to spend on world class players and we should be targetting a top 4 spot this coming season. Deep joy.

  • 11 JackButler // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:03 AM

    This Carrol link is getting very old now, the lad’s only good for a handfull of games a season and prefers the life of a play-boy to that of a top flight footballer.

    We need to stay clear of him as nothing good will come of it

  • 12 Lost Plot // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:04 AM


    Saying who he wants and who we get are two different things

    Look at the names Pardew wanted here for us .. The board never gave is one of them

  • 13 Offkey // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:05 AM

    I cant understand why anyone took what MA said as anything but a threat to stay forever and to continue not investing……if you heard anything else I dont know what you were watching.

  • 14 Blofal // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:05 AM

    JB I agree.

    Veiria was a risk and unproven but signified that the board was now willing to take a chance.

    McClaren whatever his ability is the wrong appointment because it fails to get the fans back behind the club. First and foremost that is what they should be looking for.

    I still maintain it’s Graham Carr behind all this. Charnley knows nothing about the football world and is buying the players and managers that Carr tells him too. It’s been that way from the start.

    Can you imagine Carr advising Charnley this?….. ” the best available manager out there is Klopp. Lets talk make an enquiry, see what he wants and then talk to Mike about accommodating his requests”. As far as we know Newcastle haven’t even tried approaching Klopp. At least Westham had the balls to try. I am convinced Pardew was Carr’s suggestion and McClaren definitely is.

  • 15 reilly // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:06 AM

    the only way this can work is if mclaren brings in his own coaching staff,if hes not allowed its just the same shite as last season and will show mclaren as a yes man.

  • 16 Mr Magpie // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:07 AM

    I remain hopeful (to be dissapointed again no doubt) that somebody else is still in the running as if this was nailed on as McClaren it should have all been done by now & i don’t see why they would have enquired about the availability of Vieira.

    Nobody in the media had a clue about Pardew coming, could both McClaren & Carver be being used as a smoke screen as Ashley brings in someone out of nowhere again?

  • 17 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:07 AM

    It would be interesting to know what AO are up to at the moment. Are they sitting twiddling their thumbs, or are they planning a structured campaign with an actual strategy. The end of last season was an okay start for their campaign, and I guess the lack of structure to it can be put down to it being hastily put into action due to results and performances.

    Now though, they have an opportunity to state their aims, their strategies for a clear and focussed campaign with an end strategy. The message was too confused and impact was diluted by their decisions to support several different forms of protest in one game.

    There is no point waiting to see if the club surprises us, or just continues on as is. The plans should be in place, and if they do surprise us, then the plans can be shelved.

    Hopefully they will stop with the childish and pointless ‘letters’. They did not help the campaign, and more than anything lost them credibility.

  • 18 Santon03 // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:08 AM

    Almost got a heart attack reading the title “Mcclaren appointment”

  • 19 reilly // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:10 AM

    totaly agree blofal.
    carr has been built up to be some kind of super scout.a scout is ment to go and find some gems other s havnt,carr hasnt done that .total myth

  • 20 Offkey // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:11 AM

    AO should be applying more pressure during this important time!

  • 21 JackButler // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:12 AM


    Carr is becoming more and more prominent in the running of the club and it’s worrying to be honest, as a lot of of his signings have fallen flat on their faces and his apparent desire to see McClaren in the managers seat is simply going to see the rift between fan and club grow even wider.

    If you looks at the managers we could possibly go for then it shows you just how poorly run we are, as the like’s of McClaren are very close to the bottom on everyones lists.

    The enitre setup of the club is wrong and nothings gonna change as long as Ashley is the owner.

    The fans need to make their voices heard and the best way to do that is to stay away and stop buying into the lie’s until he’s forced to sell up and leave

  • 22 JackButler // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:17 AM

    By all accounts the club believe that the job is beyond Remi Garde but it wasn’t for Pardew, Kinnear and isn’t for McClaren?

    Seriously, you couldn’t make this stuff up.

    Good luck selling those season tickets Mikey boy

  • 23 Blofal // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:19 AM

    Carr is pulling the strings behind the scenes. He doesn’t run the finances, Charnley does that. But he selects the players to buy and he is the one selecting the manager.

    This new Head Coach role basically means the new manager is appointed by Carr and plays with the players Carr provides him. The Head Coach gets very little say.

    I saw a leaked photo a while ago that looked like Jocelyn Gourvennec touring the stadium with Charnley. He would be much more of a statement than McClaren!!!

  • 24 cestriasteve // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    I would imagine the sticking point is that Garde will want a whole restructure of his back room staff and as Carver must have a photo of MA or LC in bed with a horse that isn’t going to happen.

  • 25 Blofal // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    And why on earth is it taking so long??? Every other club has a new manager lined up within days of the old one departing.

  • 26 JackButler // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:24 AM


    They are so short sighted is frightening. Carver is a bully-boy and is part of the problem at the club.

    Thats the issue I have with it all, we have stuck to the same formula that has failed for eight long, painful years and just as we are teased that things are gonna change we revert tp type and opt for yet another safe pair of hands

  • 27 barkel // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:25 AM

    Lost Plot –

    There were some very good players at Boro when they won the cup. Maybe not in their prime but players that you would expect to beat Bolton.

    Here’s the starting line-up:
    GK 1 Australia Mark Schwarzer
    RB 15 England Danny Mills
    CB 4 England Ugo Ehiogu
    CB 6 England Gareth Southgate (c)
    LB 3 France Franck Queudrue
    RM 14 Spain Gaizka Mendieta
    CM 7 Netherlands George Boateng Booked 23′
    CM 20 Brazil Doriva
    LM 27 Netherlands Boudewijn Zenden
    AM 10 Brazil Juninho
    CF 16 Cameroon Joseph-Désiré Job

    A lot of international/ex-international players. Zenden could’ve won that game by himself

  • 28 WLtoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:29 AM

    ayoung guy at work was getting excited about the prospect of Viera coming as the new HC.
    “What a coup,he,s a winner and he,ll sort us out big time,cant wait” he was ranting on… and then i piped up saying ” dont believe what you hear,remember Ashley does,nt do ambition,so be quiet or you could be made to look very silly”
    I also said that we would end up with someone we dont want as HC bcos that how it is up here now,we make do with the cheapest option,
    Yesterday the young guy came up to me and said i was right, but how did i know it was all bullshit about Viera.
    After i had explained my thoughts in more detail the poor lad ended up walking away ,shaking his head.
    That just about sums it all up really.

  • 29 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:30 AM

    I saw that photo, it was actually a person who works for New Zealand TV checking out the facilities and the stadium prior to the World Cup.

  • 30 Magpie Season // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:34 AM

    I think with all these links of us to other, more promising names, & the omitting of Viera, Garde et al; has led to the timing of McClaren’s appointment being unpropitious.

    If we hadn’t been linked to the names, I mean come on, Benitez? Not just on this blog but other news sites, then more would be on board with SM.

    Look, I don’t think he will get the hostile reception that Pardew did upon his arrival, far from it. SM has guts. I mean, he did not only strip Beckham of his captaincy but excluded him from the England setup altogether.

    I think what we really despise about SM’s arrival is Carver’s stay in the dugout alongside him.
    I don’t envisage anyone else taking the job. Ashley’s record is British. Were we linked with any other British managers besides Clement? Any others free?

  • 31 cyprus // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:36 AM

    I read you. Still, I’d gladly take Carroll ON condition that… (you said it).

    On Carver: please, all, relax. There is ZERO chance that he’s getting the job, trust me. Unless they’re morons, which they aren’t.

    On Mc: Poor man, crucified before he’s given a chance; which, if you ask me, he won’t be. The man’s on hols (probably in Cyprus) he hasn’t even been invited for an interview.

    I think, those two at the top will come up with three names. They will show them to MA and he will point at one of them. Won’t be Mc (who will be one of the 3)

  • 32 Magpie Season // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:37 AM

    Did anyone read the article about Taylor & Guti being told their contracts were not being renewed in the same phone call?

    “Newcastle released Taylor and Gutierrez in same phone call:”

  • 33 Magpie Season // Jun 3, 2015 at 9:40 AM

    Benitez confirmed at Real. There goes another one. As long as top managers are out of contract, like him & Klopp, etc, the more season tickets are being sold at NUFC.

    No wonder all the links to Viera; it would be interesting to see how many season tickets have been sold during this time. Or when does the club start selling?

  • 34 Rusbjerg11 // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:17 PM

    Can’t see how this is a upgrade in anyway. Of course McClaren is a better choice for the head coach vacancy than John Carver. But its not a upgrade from Alan Pardew. In fact Steve McClaren is only 2 months older than Pardew. But of course he has tried way more in his manager career than Pardew. No matter if he get the job i say we need to support the guy 100% and hope for the best 😉

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