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Newcastle Receive Big Money From Premier League

10:17 am, Wednesday, June 3rd, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 125 Comments

Newcastle received £77,835,102 (approximately) from the Premier League for last season, and although we finished in 15th place in the Premier League, that figure is the 11th highest amount given out by the Premier League, and only about £2M less than we received last year when we were 10th.

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Here is the full official list that has just been issued, and we have around £2M more than the provisional that was issued after the final game of the season in May.

Newcastle gained by being  shown on TV 20 times (the Facility Fee) , and a number of those games were when we were tumbling down the league table and under John Carver, and it ended up that Hull or Newcastle would be relegated from the Premier League on the last day of the season.

Fortunately for us it was Hull who went down, as we had a famous 2-0 win against West Ham.

The top money went to Chelsea,  the Premier League Champions, with just under £99M, and bottom club QPR got the least amount with just under £65M.

This should just about keep Newcastle United as one of the 20 richest football clubs in the world for this financial year.

And bottom line, there’s plenty of money to spend this summer.

The season after next is the new £5.1B Premier League three year TV deal, and the above amounts will rise by about 70% at that time.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Financial Fair Play · Financials · Newcastle News · Premier League · Transfer News and Rumours · TV coverage

125 responses so far ↓

  • 1 JackButler // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:19 AM

  • 2 Ibizatoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:21 AM

    Get in – This is the sort of stuff we live on.

  • 3 JackButler // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:23 AM


    Balance sheet champions mate, how lucky are we 🙂

  • 4 BandB // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:24 AM


    The blueprint (or greyprint) existed long before Charnley arrived.
    It took them to spell out in print what was blatantly obviously their modus operandi before anyone believed it. And many still don’t.
    Nothing Ashley said about “making our own luck from now on”, winnings things and maybe giving the cups a go hasn’t been said before. They say it every time season ticket deadline is needing to be extended.
    But you have to give them a chance to deliver, even if you believe they have no intention of doing so. So far the new leaf looks very much like the old leaf.
    Ashley.Out should have held their fire. talked peace and prepared for war.
    Having dismissed Ashley’s “conversion” out of hand as lies, they are in no position now to say “Come on Mike, we are waiting.”


    I said months ago that I thought Ashley regarded managers as a monkey tied to a greyhound’s back…ie…neither use nor ornament. Carver can get the players “fit ” for the kickabouts in America. And Charnley’s comment about head coaches having to “trust them” to eventually find replacement players when the price is right tells me that the head coach has no meaningful say at all. And Charnley made it clear that would be the case HOWEVER came in.

  • 5 Ibizatoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:25 AM

    JB…It takes a lot of hard work, but we managed it again.

    All these silly teams who actually spend the money they have available….mugs.

  • 6 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    We arent even balance sheet champions though are we!! Spurs, Southampton, Everton and Man U made more than us. We only just beat Crystal Palace and Chelsea! Can’t even make the Champions league in the Balance Sheet table.

    Total myth that our finances are something the club can be proud of.

  • 7 Ibizatoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    BandB…I have been wondering what the point in hiring (and having to pay) for a new HC to come in just to send him on his holidays to America.

    As you say, JC can do that. I say wait. See how he gets on in the States. There’s no real rush and I’d hate to see us be wasteful with money after spending so long getting us in to this wonderful and healthy financial position to start creating our own luck.

  • 8 Ibizatoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    Lil…What are you you, the destroyer of dreams? 🙂

    By not spending much I still have hope we can claw our way higher up the net profit table. Don’t lose faith yet.

  • 9 JackButler // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:31 AM


    Agree, the blueprint is Ashley’s and Charnley is only the latest minion to be charged with enforcing it, and knowing what has gone before I can’t give them a chance to deliver, simply because all of the previous lie’s that have been forced upon us

    If people do by into the latest mound of PR bullshyte, then I fear I will loose all hope in humanity

  • 10 optimistic prime // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    Another morning of optimisim supplied by our fantastic owner

  • 11 jimiley // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:33 AM

    McLaren has the perfect credentials for the job. A safe unsafe pair of hands. He could not catch a cold. Takes Derby from top to 8th in 4 months in the Championship. Gets the sack at Derby. A perfect manager for the new ambitious Toon. Well done Penfold . Award yourself a 8 year contract coz you are playing a blinder.

  • 12 sickandtired // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:35 AM

    @BandB – exactly what I agree with. I have no doubt at all that fatty has nothing but jealousy and contempt for players and managers/coaches.
    His ownership has got nothing to do with Football nor football success. It’s a business for him, nothing else. We are nothing more than willing punters walking through the door of another version of a SD store.
    A HC/Manager is a store manager operating under strict guidelines designed to generate income/profit.

  • 13 JackButler // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:36 AM

    Lilongwe Geordie

    so after everything we’ve endured this season, you are now going to take away the one ray of sunshine i had about the club 🙁

    thanks mate, you just ruined everything for me 🙁

  • 14 optimistic prime // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:36 AM

    I hope every player and HC knocks Ashley back, maybe then he’ll see what people think of his master plan.

  • 15 Lindisfarne // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:38 AM

    Get in! 6th in the Facility Fees League.

  • 16 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:38 AM

    I just feel you were getting too excited, and starting to get ambitions above your station. We don’t want to win things, as that will just make people like you expect us to win more. A terrible philosophy.

    We don’t want to make more profit, Lee has done a stand up job that we should offer him a pay rise, particularly as he now has to cover the role of Finance Director as well, don’t want any new board members coming in.

    On top of that, we should soon be in a position to oust Wonga, and give SD the shirt space as well, obviously for free, as our benevolent leader has been so supportive of the club, to the tune of a loan repayable on demand that is almost twice the debt the banks were owed.

  • 17 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:39 AM

    Get used to it!! That is what Newcastle is all about!

  • 18 BandB // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:43 AM


    As you pointed out some time ago, the operating model appears to be functioning excellently.
    The question is, as you also highlighted, what and who is he model actually serving?

  • 19 Lindisfarne // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:44 AM


    “Ashley.Out should have held their fire. talked peace and prepared for war.”

    Glad you have reassessed what I was saying before the end of the season ie. a short list of demands that would hold Ashley to account.

  • 20 davis_toons // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:46 AM

    I thanks Ashley on the financial side and it is enough and it is becoming a problem to have him owning the Club.


  • 21 Average_Contents // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM

    Who says we aren’t a mid-table team.

    Get in.

    Pathetic to see teams like stoke and swansea earning more TV and placement money than us.

    Can people not see how far we’ve fallen under the slug. It’s fcuking diabolical


  • 22 Ibizatoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:49 AM

    Lil…Well, that all sounds perfectly reasonable. I mean, Ashley did save us from implosion.

    It’s only fair that all those involved in saving the club are heavily rewarded. Especially SD.

    Thanks for putting me right. I was getting a little carried away there. I blame Butler. He’s a sneaky so and so.

  • 23 Lindisfarne // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:49 AM

    The minimum earnings from the Facility fees is £8,775,160 if the TV cameras were put off from SJP by regular half empty, library like stadiums, the club would lose nearly £7.5 million.

  • 24 optimistic prime // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:50 AM

    This time next year Rodney we’ll be in the Champions league

  • 25 Ibizatoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:50 AM

    BandB…Is it Ashleys door? Wait, I might be using the wrong quote….

  • 26 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:51 AM

    We already have a top team primed for success. The tea boy, the comedian’s dad and the cones guy are running the football side of the club and don’t want anyone to muscle in on that and step on their toes. All we need now is someone to pick the team from the squad provided, give team talks, set tactics, make substitutions and front up to the press.

  • 27 mickalfas // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:52 AM

    £77m plus the £54 in the bank=£131m
    That’s more or less what we owe fatty,please take the money ,reduce the price of the club to say £100m ,quick sale required
    New owner with money and ambition ,not much to ask for really
    One can only dream!!

  • 28 ronjohno // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:53 AM

    how the hell have two people who have done nothing in football be able to wield such power of a football club.
    Charnley is obviously just an arse and Carr has achieved nothing of note and has never aspired to any level higher than the lower divisions..
    I put Carr in the same bracket as Kinnear.
    Might as well have Alan Carr – at least then we would know it was all a joke.
    The whole scenario is actually pitiful.
    Someone has told me to calm down and wait until there has been a CONFIRMED ANNOUNCEMENT and I suppose there is grain of truth in that.
    Trouble is rumours just sum up the state of NUFC.

  • 29 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:55 AM

    The model probably serves everyone involved with the club except the fans and the rank and file employees.

    Quite a few of the players are robbing a living, SD gets global exposure, Ashley gets tax breaks due to the clubs debt, the coaching staff wouldn’t be employed at any other decent level club, Charnley wouldn’t be able to direct traffic, let alone be a director elsewhere.

  • 30 BandB // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:56 AM


    I think it was protests and boycotts that accounted for Ashley’s television appearance.

    And his choreographed effort to appear both chastened and defiant will have repercussions. We’ve just seen with Blatter how quickly triumphalism can turn to defeat.

    You wanted the protests to stop while we wrote to the Fans Forum and the Football Ombudsman.

    I thought it was pointless paper-waving then and I still do.

  • 31 Lindisfarne // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:56 AM

    Blackley and Brownlie

    The new top candidate:

  • 32 Average_Contents // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:56 AM


    In answer to your question. Mike Ashley

  • 33 JackButler // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:58 AM


    The rumours are more exciting than the reality though

  • 34 Lindisfarne // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    BandB @30

    I never mentioned the protests stopping and my intention was to generate momentum through the closed season, which has very little chance of resurfacing until it is too late.

  • 35 BandB // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:01 AM


    Yes you did.

    It was the topic of a short and intense debate between Ibizatoon and myself over whether you had a point or not.

  • 36 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:04 AM

    Where do you get £54million in the bank from?

  • 37 nufc 11 // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:05 AM

    On another note where was the great Mr Carr yestherday when Celtic signed Boyata from city for 1.5million? I might photo snap this post and keep it for 18months just to show Mr Carr when Boyatta will be signing for one of the big clubs for 10/15million. I thought Mr Carr’s job was to spot emerging talent on the cheap? Maybe he’s off spenting his time drinking coffee with McClaren talking shit while letting other clubs get the jump on nufc. # In Carr We Trust

  • 38 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:06 AM

    Every ST holder should have a box with buttons in order to vote on the starting line up, tactics and subs during the game. Your man can analyse the votes, come out with a consensus and implement it.

  • 39 DONALDO // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:06 AM

    Does this count as a cup?

  • 40 Lindisfarne // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    I think demanding Ashley out is pointless, as it has been for 8 years and created the derision of many other fans nationwide. You are correct that the statement made by Ashley is an opportunity to ‘hang him’, but that is all about interpretation and easily swerved. Agreeing to a list of achievable and agreeable demands made in recognition of a full and vociferous stadium would have more leverage.

  • 41 mickalfas // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:10 AM

    Is it true that his free advertising is worth around £20m a year ?
    If so if we don’t get relegated next year,I’m guessing he’ll never leave ,once the increased money kicks in
    This club is truly a gold mine for him ,and the price of the club will only go up,hence less people who can take it over
    Were doomed!!

  • 42 Ibizatoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    Lindisfarne…The FF already did set out a list of demands. They were fobbed off and still are being fobbed off.

    Ashley Out it would seem wasn’t pointless at all – it rattled his cage.

    It would seem from what we can see that the club don’t intend to engage and work with fans, but are more interested in simply calming the masses in to submission.

    How long do we need to appear reasonable and have demands not met?

  • 43 Lindisfarne // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    BandB @35

    If I did it was because I recognised the inevitability of the last game being a full crowd. A strong enough reason to withhold support was not being provided by

  • 44 nut meg // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    sky sports on McClaren.

  • 45 mickalfas // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:14 AM

    £19m profit plus £34-5m lying in a reserve fund

  • 46 JackButler // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:17 AM

    Onward and upward

    Steve McClaren
    Success rate as coach:
    45,8 % Wins
    23,4 % Draw
    30,8 % Losses

    Alan Pardew
    Success rate as coach:
    41,8 % Wins
    21,9 % Draw
    36,3 % Losses

  • 47 BandB // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:18 AM


    “I think demanding Ashley out is pointless.”

    I always believed your pleas for fans to waste time writing to toothless organisations stemmed from your opposition to the Ashley.Out campaign and that you hoped to divide support by offering the distraction of an ineffective alternative.

    And frankly, you didn’t make it AT ALL clear at the time that you thought demanding Ashley Out was pointless.

    Clearly then, I have not, as you state above, come round to your way of thinking.

  • 48 Chris // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:19 AM

    mickalfas // Jun 3, 2015 at 10:52 AM

    £77m plus the £54 in the bank=£131m

    Where did that figure of £54 come from? The total cash at bank figure on 30th June last year was £34m, as reported in the audited accounts. That was BEFORE the club spent just under £30m during July & August on 6 new players – De Jong, Cabella, Riviere, Janmaat, Darlow and Lascelles ( Perez and Colback had been signed in June, before the end of the financial year)

    The point is that most of the cash in the bank at the year end date WAS spent during the transfer window last summer, so all this talk about the club sitting on a £34m “war chest” is utter nonsense. It’s just a myth that’s been created by a series of totally misleading reports in the media.

  • 49 BandB // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:22 AM


    That’s Numberwang!

  • 50 Ibizatoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM

    Chris…Is it not a little off to correct someone elses figures, include players we bought, but not players we have sold?

    Also, did you not keep posting a link to the incorrect company accounts to rubbish the £34m figure?

  • 51 JackButler // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM

    You can tell it coming up to summer time as everyone wants to play amateur accountant.

    NO ONE knows how much is available either through past profits or how much Ashley will release.

    It’s nothing more than a guessing game that insights arguments and amassess frustration.

  • 52 Pop n Wyn // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:29 AM

    When MA said that with two games to go he was starting to sweat, that rang so many bells with me and proves that he was just happy to keep us in the prem, i mean why wasnt he sweating with 6 or 7 games to go, mainly because he had that we are bound to get thre points somewhere attitude, they gambled massivly with our club and our emotions, Lee Charnley should have been sacked imo for his grosse negligence in the winter window if indeed recrutment is down to him??? although that is still up for massive debate isnt it, total incompetence.

    Oh and Mr Charnley if you are in charge of recutment then i suggest if you are going to either sack someone or tell them they are no longer wanted, YOU DO IT SON. and not over the bloody phone!!! face to face you would not do this at a local pub team, total amateur cheapskates.

  • 53 AncientC // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:29 AM

    There are reports that Aston Villa are getting rid of Andreas Weimann, who has 1 year left on his contract.

    23 years old, international, linked with us in the past, and, most importantly he is cheap.

    I would be surprised if the club pass on him.

    Andreas Weimann and 2 other senior players, and our summer recruitment process would be complete. (Maybe a few youngsters added)

  • 54 optimistic prime // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:31 AM

    Ashley out


  • 55 JackButler // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:31 AM


    It seems Paul Clement has nabbed him as he’s in talks with Derby by all accounts

  • 56 JackButler // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:32 AM

  • 57 dave 1961 // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:36 AM


    you will find money also came into the club and more than we spent

  • 58 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:38 AM

    Wiemaan at 2 million would actually be a really good squad player to have around knowing our club we will not have even considered experienced premiership squad players like this

  • 59 WWSBRD // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:39 AM

    3 players and our recruitment is complete? And Weimann someone not good enough for a team that finished below us is one of them?

    Not sure even I can support that approach and am all about the devils advocate

  • 60 Barton // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    “It’s just a myth that’s been created by a series of totally misleading reports in the media”

    your not talking money m8,you mean the clubs media dept. dont you? there specialist in the above,or at least Bishop thinks he is,if any one has any hope left in those running the club/Mr Tubbs, am sorry you need sectioned under the mental health act.

  • 61 BandB // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    ‘We can’t have two players for every position. We can’t afford it.”

    Derek Llambias.

  • 62 JackButler // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:42 AM


    There are around 13 players leaving the squad this summer, so we need a few more than that

  • 63 cyprus // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    Approximately indeed. I’d like it down to pence.

  • 64 Lindisfarne // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    My computer crashed as I was responding to Ibizatoon which just goes to show how technologically decrepid I am and as I do not do Twitter I am (self) limited to discussing my ideas on this blog, as it is a hive of differing viewpoints (Here here).

    I have very serious issues with the way the club is run and like everyone else wish to see signs of improvement by all and every means necessary. serves a purpose as it did with AP but the means by which change will take place will need to be more calculated.

    There is a moral obligation to protest and draw attention to the lack of a promised early Fans Forum and whilst some of the demands made were short sighted, an attempt to engage on the real issues would be welcomed. Instead the club has again be able to create a vacuum in which dissent can not distinguished from the muddle of competing news stories.

    Whether I agree or not with your narrative, or your model for change does not matter and arguing should only strengthen your personal philosophy. Unfortunately the momentum for action has been dissipated seemingly through an eight minute fabricated interview and as I look over the bleak cliff of 2015/16 there is no glimmer of a new dawn.

  • 65 Rotonda heights // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:45 AM

    Ed that was a typo, you meant to say

    Ashley Receives Big Money From Premier League

  • 66 Pokat // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:49 AM

    Nufc got £13m more than qpr, in the scheme of things small potatoes ha ha considering mike knew he had to give that interview to stem the bleed of st sales, he could lose that amount in advance if they keep up the pr nosedive.

    Nice to see we got a bit of an extra bung owing to sky’s fascination with our relegation attempt lol. No wonder Mike’s not fired Lee yet.

  • 67 BandB // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:52 AM

    “We don’t look at transfer windows in isolation, but rather as a full trading year, and our intention for the first team is to sign one or two players per year to strengthen the squad.

    Note the emphasis on FIRST TEAM players over a financial year.

  • 68 Ron Knee // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:53 AM

    91% don’t want McClaren. What a ringing endorsement!

  • 69 BandB // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:55 AM


    The momentum is only dissipated by the season break. Football games will decide what happens next.

    I think you are singing the death song of Ashley.Out rather too gleefully, though why am I not surprised?

  • 70 Rotonda heights // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:55 AM

    Ron Knee

    I think this could be the final straw for a lot of people after 8 years of the most dispicable and depressing shenannigans ever witnessed at any professional sporting institution.

  • 71 AncientC // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:56 AM

    The Weimann deal to Derby is not done yet; there is still plenty of time for him to conclude a deal.

    My comment about 3 senior players completing our summer recruitment process was not an opinion on what we need, but what we are likely to receive.

    They already have the 2 signings from Nottingham Forest coming in, then there are players returning from injury and loan deals… I also don’t envisage anybody will pay what Ashley would want for Cisse, Sissoko, and Tiote.

    3 senior players and 2 youngsters coming in, is where I see this summer going.

  • 72 WWSBRD // Jun 3, 2015 at 11:56 AM

    Mike Ashley is worth 5 billion USD according to Forbes, the club is worth 349 million USD according to the same source but could be argued thats very inflated….he really doesnt give a toss about the club’s s season tickets imo

    He wants us in the PL more for his advertising than the money side of it

  • 73 Ron Knee // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:00 PM

    Could our ‘zombie’ club be done under the Trade Descriptions Act?
    “Each product sold must be as described and of satisfactory quality except for any flaws obvious or pointed out at the point of sale.”

  • 74 Rotonda heights // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:03 PM


    yes that’s why relegation would keep his tacky SD signs out of the limelight. It’s a price I would pay to get rid of him.

    The over riding feel bad factor is driving me and many of my friends away as this just simply isn’t our club any more.

    No hope, no passion no nothing, just a soul-less advertising SD billboard.

  • 75 mickalfas // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:03 PM

    Let’s face it we all want the best for NUFC,and Ashley is not the answer
    If we were all Chelsea /man city fans there’d be fcuck all to talk about
    Ashley out!!!

  • 76 Ibizatoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:04 PM

    Yo…If that were true, why did he break his 8 year silence?

  • 77 Ibizatoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:07 PM

    Ron….I think they have told us exactly what to expect in the past.

    “The Club has long been focused on keeping football affordable for our supporters and that will remain a priority for us.”

  • 78 davis_toons // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:08 PM

    Mike Ashley Out if McClaren is appoint.

    He need to show us he can do the job then will we give our support not the other way round.

    Why? Simply because it was him.

    He wont last long at the job even, then.

  • 79 JackButler // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:08 PM


    A cynic would say that he broke his 8 year silence because it was squeaky bum time as the locals were close to kicking off and season tickets sales were rock bottom.

    Good job there are no cynic’s on this blog eh!!!


  • 80 WWSBRD // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:08 PM

    True but equally he wouldnt get the money he wants for the club while in the championship, double edged sword

    Well he isnt stupid mate haha he knows season ticket sales are better for the club and it was a very easy gesture for him to make, clearly set up by people other than him, he turns up answers a few carefully worded questions creates a bit of good will with no hassle to himself

  • 81 WWSBRD // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:09 PM

    BUT if it didnt work then he isnt going to lose sleep over it

  • 82 Ron Knee // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:09 PM

    But isn’t there the notion of ‘fit for purpose’ in the Act?

  • 83 Ibizatoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:10 PM

    The idea that the fans aren’t important is seriously flawed imo.

    If that were the case then why:

    1) Offer “affordable” season tickets?
    2) Hire one of the countries best PR gurus?
    3) Break an 8 year silence to try and recall fans who were fleeing SJP?

    Surely if the campaign has proved anything it’s that the fans do have power, if they choose to use it.

  • 84 Lindisfarne // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:17 PM


    I think we do actually share the same belief that Ashley will only leave when he can sell the club. The more likely scenario being for the amount of profit he believes it is capable of achieving and worth while enduring the privilege of being an unlikable owner.

    I believe that protests, boycotts, not buying merchandise and souring any connection between the club and Sports Direct will bring Ashley to the negotiating table. Where any written agreement to improve the environment at the club will then be recognised and implemented. Otherwise disruption would continuing with a mandate and result in the depreciating value of the club.

    I think you are promoting unrelenting disruption in order to force Ashley to leave with the tail between his legs. But without the majority concensus that you would need to achieve anything other than a long negative campaign that shows no sign of recognising the mechanisms by which the club is run.

    Direct action is important and needed, as is negotiation in order to get something actually done rather than a far off conclusion that will probably pass unnoticed and comments like, “Is that still going on?” However both action and dialogue are needed to reach agreement and to ensure a complete resolution.

  • 85 Ron Knee // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:18 PM

    If Bishop is one of the best PR gurus, I’d hate to see the worst. He completely mishandled the new manager situation by raising expectations (Vieira) rather than lowering them. If, for example, he’d touted Carver as next HC then McClaren’s likely appointment would have been greeted with relief.

  • 86 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:21 PM

    I honestly think Ashley shat it big time if we had have went down against West Ham with him in the stadium him and Charnley would not have made it out alive !!!

    The protests have had an effect but I just watched that speech again is he really going to be daft enough to appoint Mclaren and have Carver as his assistant this season? The amount of slatings he would get from the press will be unreal

    It got to the stage where he has been heavily slated on BT Sport over in America every time Newcastle are on and also Carragher and Neville putting the boot in and thats not going to go away if this summer is just empty promises no matter how good PR Bishop can spin !!

    Not sure if Mclaren could handle the flak Pardew refused to walk away but I dont think Mclaren has the bottle to take the pelters if it goes wrong

    Other managers would get a bit more leeway especially if they bring in their own staff but if Mclaren does not bring in his own staff its going to be suicide

  • 87 WWSBRD // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:22 PM

    not saying they arent important am saying Ashley doesnt care, the club can swallow any loss in revenue from tickets.

    The people in charge of NUFC would be stupid to ignore fans but Ashley isnt in charge he just owns it, small part of a much bigger pie

  • 88 Lindisfarne // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:23 PM

    My reference to ‘pointless’ was a reflection of the same accusation laid at my door and whilst deliberately provocative was not entirely meant to be demeaning.

    To put it simply the act of protesting 🙂 , the action demanded :-/

  • 89 BandB // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:25 PM


    I believe we should give Ashley time to show us whether he was chastened by near relegation.
    On a timescale, and not by attempting to kick the fan dissent into the long grass.
    He does not deserve a full reset.
    I prefer gunboat diplomacy to appeasement and collaboration, yes.
    Ashley was chastened 24 months ago.
    When radio silence was finally broken, it was by the hair-raising sound of Joe Kinnear announcing he was the new DoF on Night Owls…….

  • 90 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:31 PM

    Lets bring Kinnear back as Director of football at least he done live interviews dont think I have ever heard Charnley speak?? Written statements that he gives could be anyone

  • 91 Ibizatoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:33 PM

    Yo…Sorry mate, I think that defies logic. If he doesn’t care, he / they wouldn’t do anything. We are important, he has to care.

    He may not have any respect or general care for fans however, but we are an important part of the plan.

    It’s not just the ST money itself. From what I understand the SKY monies have conditions about full stadiums attached to it.

    Ron…I have been surprised at how well the spin has actually been received.

  • 92 Ibizatoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:36 PM

    Damn auto-correct….It meant to say “the clubs new direction” rather than “spin”.

  • 93 stripes1009 // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:37 PM

    Typo error or what? How come Stoke finish 10th and Us 11th in this chart, yet we got more money?
    Another point, if McLaren was that good, wouldn’t West Ham be interviewing him?

    At least we have a chance to win some cash from the bookies, McLaren out by Christmas and Newcastle to be relegated…….should get good odds for that…

  • 94 optimistic prime // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:39 PM

    Jermain Defoe wants Mclaren to snub NUFC for his mob and if he doesn’t he wants fat Sam instead.

    Ambitious, so Ashley wants a HC that’s the equivalent of the first one he sacked.

  • 95 Pop n Wyn // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:43 PM

    On talksport yesterday fans of Derby were being asked about the collapse of the club at the end of the season and Steve Mclaren as a manager.

    One fan said that they played some fantastic fluent football, but in those last 10 games when the pressure was on, they did not grind reults out and failed to have a plan B, for me they should have got in to the trenches in those final games and grind it out.

    That said i think it was Ray Parlour said you should stick to your gameplan and see the season out at the same level all the way through.

    I personally think they should have tried to win ugly to at the very least get in the playoffs, they really mucked it up, they are saying it was around the time The Toon job started getting bandied about that this happened, all i know is that Derby collapsed very much like us, and that is a big worry.

  • 96 Lindisfarne // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:44 PM


    You have a picture of me that is not entirely accurate and I do my best not to be too presumptuous about you. The fact you pick up on things which I have to explain further is excellent but I am often frustrated that issues are attached that make the discussion of greater dimension and further away from the point I was making.

    To return to the start of todays topic, I said ‘reassessed’ not changed your allegiance and I should have said that I welcome your proclamation that negotiation was a necessary accompaniment to direct action. I hope I have been able to reassure you that my intention was never to stop people protesting short of achieving ‘our’ goals and do not rejoice at the eradication of the hope that they brought.

    When the new season starts and possibly starts badly, then the cycle of protest will once again begin. I had only hoped that some sort of agreement could be implemented to alleviate this predicable pattern. After all I have problems with the running of the club, but I want to enjoy the experience of watching a game (in whichever league) like everyone else.

  • 97 WWSBRD // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:45 PM

    Mate Ashley hasn’t done anything he is pretty far removed from any running of the club

    And in all honesty I dont think the stadium will ever be empty enough for it not to look full on TV

    Look I dont go to games anymore I haven’t for a long while but I accept am not hurting Ashley in anyway

  • 98 lesh // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:50 PM

    It’s good to see that the FF have been chasing Charnley to set up the meeting that was supposed to be set up before the season ended.

    It’s no surprise that it hasn’t happened after all, what with losing his manager, dealing with Carver’s inadequacies, coping without the Finance Director and his assistant, not recruiting a new HC, the poor lamb’s had a lot on his plate. And he’s got his holidays to have yet – I presume!!

    The FF had the opportunity to chase for a written point-by-point reply to its letter and if it hasn’t it’s time to do so.

    Going public to the press (the Telegraph?) might help raise the pressure on Ashley to get his act together and show fans some basic respect.

    And, maybe the FF, the AO campaign, NUST and any other supporter groups get together for some close-season activity.

    Dissatisfied ST holders? Get a legal brain on the case, produce a template for a letter requesting money back. Going public at the same time.

    It’s always gonna be countered by claims of putting the Club’s ‘ambition, HC recruitment, player recruitment etc at risk but it’s got to be done.

    Maybe that’s what Ashley’s hoping for as it’ll give him the excuse to appoint Carver as his lackey!

    Tough times ahead but the Club’s done nothing to provide any encouragement for fans to believe that Ashley’s weasel-words were no more than that!

  • 99 Ibizatoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:52 PM

    Yo…It is of course a game of opinions, so neither of us know for sure, but my feeling is that he has indeed done something as quite a fair few seem to have accepted that he is pretty far removed from any running of the club.

    Ashleys greatest achievement (for him I should add)? Convincing fans they can’t do anything.

  • 100 Lindisfarne // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:53 PM

    Pop n Wyn

    That is interesting, the lack of a plan ‘B’ reminds me of JC and AP and I seem to remember that McClarens way of achieving success in Europe with Boro was to throw on as many strikers as possible. I don’t know about the credentials of Parlour, but Mourinho changed his game plan for the second half of the season and became the Champions.

  • 101 BandB // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:54 PM


    They do think like we think. They do not feel what we feel. They do not want what we want.

    I see them as an alien occupying power.

    If they reform the greyprint I will welcome it, but I think it serves them perfectly and so they won’t.
    It would be better if they went.
    All of them.

  • 102 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:58 PM

    Take him

  • 103 Toon Tang // Jun 3, 2015 at 12:58 PM

    Fancy being given £77,835,102 for that shitter of a season Its like breaking your legs before the Olympics start but still being carried onto the winners podium and handed a medal.

  • 104 BandB // Jun 3, 2015 at 1:02 PM


    The radio silence from the club and the frenzied speculation it creates is an ideal environment to test the waters.
    Every “we can’t do anything.” Every “mustn’t grumble” and every “We have to get behind whoever he appoints” sentiment will be music to his ears.
    It’s the same mood music now as it was two years ago, when Ashley decided he could risk bringing back Kinnear.
    Carver gets closer every day.

  • 105 WWSBRD // Jun 3, 2015 at 1:03 PM

    Haha true and it’s nice to have a disagreement on here that doesn’t end in all out war!

    And fans do have power of no one goes to games buys shirts drink at the club or shop in sports direct it’ll pick up traction but will that happen?

  • 106 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 3, 2015 at 1:09 PM

    Other than the England job this is the biggest job Mclaren will ever get and its a proper chance to resurrect his career big time if he does well

    I mean look at Pardew he was terrible here for about 60% of the time here but the fact he got us fifth conned pundits, other teams fans and media alike so much that he was able to go to Palace and get a pay rise with better players suited to his style !! They also let him buy bloody Shola !!

    The amount of resentment on blogs/news articles on other teams fans wishing us to get relegated because in their words ” We hounded a perfectly good manager out” was insane

    Mclaren will be dying to take over he will just be trying to angle the best deal for himself

  • 107 Ibizatoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 1:10 PM

    Yo…We still have time to go to war 🙂

    Will the fans do that? A fair whack did. Some continue to do so.

    I have belief in fans. HWTF.

  • 108 BandB // Jun 3, 2015 at 1:13 PM


    The fans speak with a million different voices.

    They DO need a negotiating position to put back to Ashley, as you say.

    If Ashley’s people were reading “Give us McClaren or Carver and I’m OUT!” every day they might just start to take us seriously.

  • 109 Lindisfarne // Jun 3, 2015 at 1:16 PM

    I wonder if the Club will reflect on the outcome of dedicating the season to the two deceased life long fans when they analyse how well the club performed?

    What would Alder & Sweeny think?

  • 110 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 3, 2015 at 1:16 PM

    This thing about Sky demanding full stadiums is nonsense. Scudamore alludes to the great atmosphere provided and that it , but I think that Sky would have just as much enjoyment – as would the rest of the country – watching a NUFC implosion in a half empty stadium.

    Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore told BBC Sport: “Clubs understand that the number one strategic priority is to keep the stadiums full.
    “They also need to understand that young fans must be encouraged to attend games. The clubs will do the right thing.”

    It isn’t for Sky that the clubs are meant to do this, it is for the Premier league product. I am yet to find anything from Sky stating the requirement for a full stadium.

  • 111 WWSBRD // Jun 3, 2015 at 1:17 PM

    Must we? It ruins my easy going nature!

    Some did yeah but now some think that gives them the right to abuse other fans which shows them up imo

    As for continuing to do so new season new players let’s see how it continues mate we get off to a good start to the season and there will be plenty back

  • 112 Lindisfarne // Jun 3, 2015 at 1:23 PM


    The Fans Forum does not whole heartedly(?) represent my views and in the past has proved very limited in its effectiveness, but it would definitely show a strong message if supporters were able to gather around their cause at this time. I have no means to generate such a idea but would happily travel for such a significant protest.

  • 113 Average_Contents // Jun 3, 2015 at 1:23 PM


    Do you not think that’s a little nieve in what you say?

    Setting out terms and getting Ashley to agree to them with negotiations?

    Sorry mate that’s pie in the sky. Never ever happen and why would it.

    His own shareholder’s aren’t listened too within SD. He does what he wants because he can.

  • 114 Ibizatoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 1:25 PM

    Lil…Thanks for that. Thought I’d read something, but wasn’t sure where – obviously on here…

    As for Scudamores comments. “number one strategic priority” If it’s not a requirement, why is it a priority? Is he simply stating the obvious that clubs should want a full stadium?

    Yo…For me, I do think the idea of debate gets easily confused with going to blog war.

    I agree, some fans have been abusive towards fans who continued to go. Much like some fans who continue to go have abused fans who chose not to go.

    That in itself is not good enough reason to stop the debate.

    I agree that if we start well, more will go back. I do think there is a growing amount of fans though that have got to the point where the importance of results is deminishing and they want big changes.

    As always, we shall see how it pans out.

  • 115 WWSBRD // Jun 3, 2015 at 1:31 PM


    Dunno mate there are plenty around who would rather hurl abuse than discuss difference in opinions

    True but I have seen more abuse those who still go than the other way round, support the club in ur own damn way I say

    Hardcore fans yes but most arent hardcore fans. Time will tell though

  • 116 toon22 // Jun 3, 2015 at 1:43 PM

    “Newcastle Receive Big Money From Premier League”

    Em dont you mean MA trousered big money from premier league and is currently trying to get as much cheap tat in to keep the money rolling in?

  • 117 BandB // Jun 3, 2015 at 1:44 PM

    I think the reason HWTF got such support is that while it made the case for boycott’s it accepted that it was absolutely right that it was in the end down to individuals to make their own choices.

    It was attacked as too wimpy on one side, while on the other side the simple act of asking fans to consider whether they should join the protest was deliberately conflated with abusing them.

    Which is rather passive-aggressive in itself.

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  • 120 scottoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 2:25 PM

    A period of stasis over the summer allows the status quo to normalize. This is dangerous in my opinion. Look at what Ashley has tried to accomplish with one short interview. Baffle the masses into a stupor whilst allowing Charnely et al the opportunity to drag us deeper into the morass. We as fans cannot allow ourselves to adopt the exact same strategy as the regime, which is to do nothing and hope all changes for the better.

    I don’t have all the answers, but inactivity is not the right course. We need to compel a massive cultural shift in the way the organization is run. I would even accept the same people if there was any evidence whatsoever that ambition would replace mediocrity, that transparency would replace cloak and dagger, that actions would replace words.

    I doubt any of these things will happen but simply accepting our fate by inactivity makes us complicit in the outcome, and that, dear fans, is simply unacceptable.

  • 121 Ibizatoon // Jun 3, 2015 at 2:30 PM

    Yo…Do you care to name and shame? 🙂

    It’s difficult to challenge someones opinion (debate) on here without being accused of attacking them. There is a huge difference between the two.

    I sometimes think people think this blog is their private diary.

  • 122 Lindisfarne // Jun 3, 2015 at 2:46 PM

    Average_Contents @113

    1) By declaring that the rights of paying customers are being degraded and proclaiming issues that every football fan in the country would agree with, to form a consensus of unrest among nufc supporters.

    2) The unpopular nature of the club, poor results and the optimistic alternative of 1) used to motivate supporters to protest/boycott/not purchase merchandise and reduce the number of appearances on the telly. Thereby reducing revenue and increasing the negative perception of MA and SD

    3) Demand the club negotiates under threat of continued direct action, agree a set of principles by which the club will operate in conjunction with a set of short term demands.

    4) Improved relationship between supporters and the club created, a more positive environment for playing football and presumably greater success. Including greater income and a profitable resale value.

    It is not rocket science and at least if the club communicated they may have very good reasons to refuse, but until then they will remain unambitious, cheap and liars in the eyes of nufc fans.

    I presume the club believes it can create the right conditions for 4) to occur without negotiating and continuing to manipulate the wider press story. So you have to ask why are they determined to contest with fans rather than take on board their opinions? Is it because their opinions are accompanied by a series of antagonistic four letter words?

    IMO 1) and 2) were near completion at the end of the season and the ground was beginning to crumble. However a greater groundswell will need to be created in the up coming season, which may have been provided motivation by the owners SKY interview.

  • 123 davis_toons // Jun 3, 2015 at 2:51 PM

    Mike is appointing KEVIN KEEGAN.

    And is believe to be given a war chest of 40 million pound to splash at his own players and staff.

    This time around it’s NO PAIN NO GAIN for FATSO.

    And he will NEVER LEAVE SJP Without ANYTHING WON.

    He is not going to leave us fans empty handed as he ended his second interview.

  • 124 davis_toons // Jun 3, 2015 at 2:55 PM

    Thumbs UP! @122

  • 125 davis_toons // Jun 3, 2015 at 3:17 PM

    “I was always prepared to bank roll Newcastle up to the tune of £20 million per year but no more. That was my bargain. I would make the club solvent. I would make it a going concern. I would pour up to £20 million a year into the club and not expect anything back.”

    IF this was really mike. Then we would have kept some of our best players and playing much better football no matter who the HC was.

    Mike is not keeping his promises.

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