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Steve McClaren Can Shock Newcastle Fans Next Season

9:34 am, Saturday, June 6th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 99 Comments

Since Steve McClaren was fired by England in late 2007 after failing to qualify for the Euro 2008 Championship,  it’s difficult to say the former England manager has been too successful in club football.

Steve’s been hired and fired by two English clubs – Nottingham Forest and Derby County – and at Forest he lasted only four months and 13 games before being fired with Forest winning only three of their first 13 games and losing seven.

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Steve McClaren – to be appointed Newcastle head coach

And it doesn’t heighten his appeal of Newcastle fans that he’s just been fired by Derby County, and is therefore available to Newcastle as a free agent – and no compensation needs to be paid for him.

Steve did have some success in Holland with FC Twente, and he took them to their first ever Dutch Championship in 2010, and became the first Englishman to manage a team to a league title in Europe since Bobby Robson did it with F.C. Porto in 1996.

And Steve was good friends with Bobby Robson and learned a lot form the former Newcastle and England manager.

But McClaren didn’t do well at Wolfsburg back in 2010, who he joined them after winning the Dutch Championship, and he lasted only just over seven months and 33 games, and was sacked with a win ratio of around 29%.

The good news is that he’s a million miles better than John Carver, who was simply a complete disaster as the club’s interim head coach, and almost had us relegated after we were 9th top when he took over.

John was in charge for 20 games and lost 13 and won only three for a win rate of 15%, and in the league we got only 13 points from 19 league games – a terrible record by anybody’s standards.

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When Steve McClaren was at Manchester United from 1999 through 2001  he was reckoned to be a good up-and-coming coach willing to learn, and this is what we found in the Northern Echo today – a quote form Teddy Sheringham about him while Steve was at the Red Devils:

“Steve was fantastic,” “He was ready to learn from other clubs, other countries and other sports. And his interest in video analysis and sports psychology gave us another dimension.”

Steve seems to be appreciated most by the players he coaches, and that has to be a good sign.

And the Newcastle fans think he’s a better coach than Alan Pardew.

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If we can get some decent players through the door this summer, then we should have a decent squad for next season, certainly better than the one we had last season, and maybe we can also reduce those injuries?

Steve McClaren  has won things as a manager and the opportunity for Steve is that Mike Ashley now wants to win something at Newcastle – that’s official – so the first time for many years Newcastle can try to win one of the local cups.

Maybe Steve  can do that next season, and at least get us into the FA Cup or League Cup final – and even win a trophy for Newcastle for the first time since 1969, and win our first domestic trophy since 1955 when we took Manchester City apart 3-1 in the FA Cup Final.

And last week we learned that was the very first FA Cup final Arsene Wenger was able to watch on TV in France – when he was just five years old – so no wonder he always talks well about Newcastle.

It’s a decent possibility that Steve can help us win a cup next season – and if he can do that he’ll be an unlikely hero on Tyneside.

And that’s not beyond the realm of possibility.

That’s what we are hoping for.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.



Tags: Capital One Cup · Coaching · FA Cup · Newcastle News · Poll · Premier League




99 responses so far ↓

  • 1 HarriboNo9 // Jun 6, 2015 at 9:40 AM

    Toon army!

  • 2 Reyantoon // Jun 6, 2015 at 9:41 AM

    From Chronicle:

    why Newcastle chose McLaren..
    Don’t get it twisted: McClaren’s CV is not flawless,but it has substance. When he arrives back from holiday in the early days of next week to ink a long-term contract at Newcastle, he will become the first United manager for 11 years to arrive with a major honour to his name.With stints at Manchester United, Wolfsburg and in charge of England, he will also probably be the most qualified United manager since Sir Bobby Robson – even if his last two jobs were in the Championship. Players line up to speak highly of him as a coach.

  • 3 I chose de jong team // Jun 6, 2015 at 9:45 AM

    Hiring a ‘head coach’ rather than a manager means they are less accountable when things start to go wrong. Ashley can’t use a head coach as a shield for his under-invested in team to the same extent. He’s usually a step ahead of the game when it comes to cynical business practices, so no doubt he’ll be aware of this. Just have to hope that means he’ll loosen the purse-strings a bit…

  • 4 Laurent Robert 32 // Jun 6, 2015 at 9:45 AM

    Here’s a thought for ambition… Get a manager who hasn’t been sacked from his recent clubs.

    Ashley out.

  • 5 Laurent Robert 32 // Jun 6, 2015 at 9:46 AM

    …lower league at that.

  • 6 will die for the toon army // Jun 6, 2015 at 9:49 AM

    For me I was never scared of who to in charge but the incomings coz we r too slow at making transfers. We r very poor.

    I was ok with Mclaren in January and am still ok with him now. Mclaren is a good coach and is very organised.

    Its Carr am worried abt. Let me hop we get the players in . IN CARR WE TRUST.

  • 7 will die for the toon army // Jun 6, 2015 at 9:53 AM

    Mclarenz teams are hard to score and at the same time his team find it hard to score that is why he will need some one (a coach) who knows how to organize to score goals.

  • 8 LGFUAD21 // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:02 AM

    Rotondo from previous thread

    Magath replaced mcclaren at Wolfsburg and he also struggled n

    I know many premier league fans don’t rate Magath based on his time at fulham but I implore anyone to look at his cv and then tell me that Magath is not a good manager.

    When mcclaren joined wolsfsburg they were in a similar position to the one we were when we appointed pardew (of after the end of that season pardew was appointed) they needed a squad rebuild and had owners with arguably unrealistic ambitions to challenge for the title.

    They didn’t have the players they do now. (Ba’s dost hitting form, de bruyne, gustavo, perisic). They had just lost their top scorers and their top assist provider.

    Mcclarens time is always represented as 1 win in 10 games but as a matter of fact it was 2 losses a win and 7 draws. It could’ve been 1 loss 1 win and 8 draws were diego not to disobeyed orders and take the penalty and ultimately miss.

    I know that record is not exciting but they had showed some decent form before that and in the early parts of the seasons they were only loosing to Bayer, dortmund (who won the title that year), Leverkusen in other words. Top teams.

    Plus a 4-3 loss to Mainz who were managed by Tuchel.

    There are some circles that believe that mcclaren was just starting to show signs of improvement (converting the draws to wins) before he was cut down by a board that expected far too much in his first season after a squad rebuild.

    You can’t really judge a manager in six months can you?

  • 9 Vask // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:03 AM

    I’m not too worried about the McLaren appointment. I’m not worried about anything much. I’d like to see a stronger back line. And some new coaches. If that doesn’t happen, ah well, better luck in the future perhaps.

  • 10 will die for the toon army // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:08 AM

    I hear our current coaches r hardworking. I think all they need is an experienced head to guide them. And I believe Mclaren is ideal.

  • 11 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:09 AM

    Vask
    me to not so worried about the McLaren appointment – BUT I’m worried about the transfer window and what comes in we need quality and in most positions.

  • 12 magpie6699 // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    Can never tell how things will turn out. Ask Liverpool fans about Rafa Benitez who, I believe, was sacked or allowed to leave at a time of great unpopularity. Done well since and about to take on one of the most prestigious jobs in football at Real Madrid. And weren’t we turned down by Steve Bruce more than once? Could well have dodged a bullet there..

  • 13 LGFUAD21 // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:17 AM

    Will die

    It’s that I’m worried about. Coaches are there to develop and instruct. They therefore need the technical knowledge which I don’t think our guys have.

    Managers are there to worry about the man management and lead the whole thing.

    Fergie widely acknowledge he wasn’t the best coach at United, far from it. However he was a great motivator and he was astute when it came to signings and getting the righ coaches in and overseeing their work. Fergie seldom lead training sessions.

    For this reason I was most excited by the prospect of Garde coming in, provided he would be able to bring his own team that did a great job a lyon.

    That said I will back mcclaren if he gets the job. It’s the board that I will be directing my anger towards.

    A manager without good backing (from support, patience, structures from coaches to scouts and financial backing (not to be confused with simply spending money in large amounts)) is nothing and will not get results.

    Management is like any business. I’ve just seen a sales director fired from my work place. A guy who had an exceptional cv developing multi-million pound companies in the past. Oxbridge educated etc. he came in to take charge of a retracting company and was given no resource. He wasn’t even granted a marketing budget. He was forced to work with a database that is about to collapse any minute because it is not structurally stable. Not to mention the database was not developed for the purpose it is being used for. On top of that the company as a whole was experiencing capacity issues from a production point of view.

    And he was fired for not turning water into wine.

    MY POINT IS

    The guy was clearly very good and more than capable of carrying out that role. But he was not given anything to work with. “You can’t make an omlette without the eggs.

  • 14 mactoon // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:18 AM

    McClaren only got 5 points more than Carver during the same period, and that was in the Championship so i’m not too enthused by Charnleys interpretation of Ashleys interview

  • 15 will die for the toon army // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:25 AM

    @LGFUAD21

    U r right Mclaren is a good coach and I can guarantee he will do a good job.

    it is Carr to do a better job.

  • 16 Vask // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:25 AM

    I admit that we do need to strengthen most positions. However, the quality of players that we attract needs a strong coaching set up and I’m not sure just plonking SM at the top of our current set up will do the trick. It feels like we’ve got the most archaic coaching set up in the league.

  • 17 LGFUAD21 // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Mactoon

    Citing the points is fair. But I don’t think bringing the championship part in validates the point anymore.

    Football leagues are relative. It isn’t any easier to win the championship than the premier league. In facts it is probably harder because there is less disparity between the riches. Ie the financial muscle isn’t horded by a few teams. Meaning there is arguably greater test of smarts to get out of it.

    Theoretically a manager that is capable of achieving 8th in the championship could also do the same in the premier league given there is an exact scaling up of squad ability. I know that logic is very mechanical. But I stand by my point that a coach that finishes 3rd in the championship is likely to have something about him and that achievement should not be scoffed at. While you are working in a lower standard of league. You are also working with lesser able players.

  • 18 LGFUAD21 // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:33 AM

    Will die

    I’m not saying he will do a good job. I’m just saying it’s not wise to write him off before he gets to work.

    As fans I’m sure we want the club to do the best it possibly can. Therefore being on the managers back before he’s given a fair crack compounds the problem rather than helping it.

    Crowd atmosphere can easily have an effect on players and if the crowd is not doing its bit at kickoff of the new season then we are no better than the board that appears to love setting us up to fail.

    If we do wish the best for our team the. I think fans should show it regardless of whether they got their first choice manager.

    I will be giving mcclaren a 6 month period before I cast any stone unless we are seeing carver’s kind of return again.

  • 19 will die for the toon army // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:34 AM

    Mactoon

    believe it Mclarenz head was turned abt NUFC job.

  • 20 LGFUAD21 // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:48 AM

    The other problem with win rates is that they don’t factor in draws. Whether people are entertained or not. A draw is still better than a loss.

    Therefore if you take mcclarens 51 wins, 21 draws and 22 loses in 94 games at Derby.

    And you consider half of the draws a win, half of them a loss (10.5 + 51)/ 94 = 65% ratio controlling for draws.

    If you wanted to consider it in terms of points
    Mcclaren competed for a total of 282 points. He won 174 meaning he achieved 61% of total points available.

  • 21 LGFUAD21 // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:54 AM

    To put context on that points rate

    Tuchel achieved 48% at Mainz and he is now dortmunds coach.

    Garde achieved 59%

    Galtier achieved 51%

  • 22 LGFUAD21 // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:56 AM

    I known that doesn’t take into context how good the squads each were working with compared to the rest of their league.

    But from personal opinion

    Garde had a very good squad in the french league
    Galtier has a mediocre squad that is massively over achieving.
    Tuchel had a poor squad so his rating doesn’t surprise me.

  • 23 Toon-Prodigy // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:57 AM

    Any news on signings? Looking forward to the Messi show later, it should be a great game.

    Funny comment from Sissoko:

    When asked about Steve McClaren the French midfielder commented:

    “I don’t know who this manager is but I am happy for him.”

    Brilliant!

  • 24 LGFUAD21 // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:59 AM

    At twente Steve had 70% first time and 57% the second stint.

    And that was with a squad that was arguably not as strong as the major dutch league players.

    Not to mention the forced sale of luke de Jong who scored a ton of goals for twente

  • 25 Vask // Jun 6, 2015 at 10:59 AM

    Nice posting lfgaud. Interesting stuff .

  • 26 Vask // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:02 AM

    Sissoko , I won’t miss him when he’s gone.

  • 27 lesh // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:10 AM

    Ed

    Ashley never said he wants to win something.

    He said he wouldn’t sell the Club until we had won something!

    Quite a difference eh and history suggests we’re stuck with him forever!

  • 28 LGFUAD21 // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:11 AM

    Last I will say as I am not trying to advocate mcclaren just correct some clearly uninformed opinions I see (especially from people that wanted Viera a man with no experience to get the job)

    Mcclaren got sacked from:

    Wolfsburg after 24 games
    Forrest after 13 games
    England after 18 games

    By the logic applied here. Fergie wouldn’t have made IT through his first season at Man U, moyes wouldn’t have survived his first season at Everton

    The other jobs he was sacked from Twente the second time round he was doing ok in and was arguably harshly sacked. The squad was weaker than the one he left and he still had a respectable points total considering Twente are not one of the big dogs in the dutch league (az, ajax, feynoord, psv)

    And Derby where there is some case that the sacking was also harsh. He was 2 years into a 5 year plan (stated by Sam Rush Derby chairman) and had a achieved a 3rd place finish as well as leading the table for the most of it in his second before it all went wrong.

  • 29 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:15 AM

    Steve might be a nice guy, but I think some of you better get too high hopes about what he can deliver…falling down is just going to hurt so much more!

    If he can bring in his own team chances are he’ll do better, but if he’s to work with our under average coaches then he’ll probably do about the same as Pardew!

    Will the football be better? Guess we’ll know soon enough.

  • 30 Blofal // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:15 AM

    Look I’m the first to say McClaren is the wring appointment. But hey lets face it. We’ve seen a lot worse at our club.

    I’m willing to give him half a season and see what happens.

    If he plays a style we want to see, and stands up to Graham Carr and demands the players that fit his system, then maybe I’ll end up liking him.

  • 31 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:16 AM

    lesh @27…I think you just hit the nail on the head there

  • 32 LGFUAD21 // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:17 AM

    As for my take on the Derby squad.

    They had a strong championship squad but far from the best. The one thing about the Derby squad is that mcclaren had a massive hand in improving it.

    He brought the best out of martin who had done next to nowt before his arrival. He signed Ince, bent and ibe on loans and all were very good for the team. Particularly the fact he got such a good return out of bent who had been mediocre at fulham and Brighton before going to Derby.

    Often strikers goal return can be in part affected by the number of chances created. I believe this to be very true about cisse who I think would score more in more creative teams.

    That derby’s team had a number of high goal scorers is a testament to the way Steve had them playing with pace and attacking fluidity giving the likes of martin, bent, Ince and Hughes and abundance of chances.

  • 33 frogonthetyne // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:18 AM

    Think of the positives with McClaren. He can speak Dutch haha. Surely his pep talks to Krul, Janmaat, de jong and Anita will inspire them. He wouldn’t be my first choice but Ashley has hired a lot worse.

    Keegan was never gonna work second time round
    Kinnear was a shocking decision (worst football decision ever)
    Sheared unproven and a sentimental choice
    Hughton had no management experience
    Pardew was a sacked league one manager

    My point being having a man in charge who has won trophies, managed a top 10 international team and has praise from his peers and pundits alike should be given a fair crack of the whip.

  • 34 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:18 AM

    Blofal…so we are back to “it could be worse” 😉

  • 35 Blofal // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:20 AM

    Everyone saying Derby played great football the first half of the season… what system did they play?

    Im assuming we’d play the same?

  • 36 Blofal // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:22 AM

    @Jesper

    Its either that or self harm!

  • 37 beermonkey // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:22 AM

    lesh

    the only thing we can take from ashleys interview is
    F you I am stay no matter what you say or do

  • 38 Toon-Prodigy // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:22 AM

    The proof will be in how many players we sign and replace, not the coach or coaches.

    Wembley next year lads!

    Hows that for optimism! We only need 10 players or so!

  • 39 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:27 AM

    Good on you Jack
    https://nufcdigest.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/jack-colback-has-no-regrets-about-joining-newcastle-united-from-sunderland/

  • 40 BoyDoneGood // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:29 AM

    LGFUAD21

    Excellent analysis. For me, the numbers always talk. Grinding out a draw when you can’t get the win is a key skill, and the first priority of a manager has to be safety – which means at least not falling short of one point per match. I hadn’t stopped to think about how one-dimensional that standard win-rate statistic is. Thanks.

  • 41 JamesToon // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:30 AM

    I think LGFUAD has made some very fair assessments on McClaren. The main point is correct, if he is given his coaches, Simpson, round and Steele, he will have much more of a chance of doing well. He’s a very knowledgable man who’s willing to learn and adapt, he knows what Newcastle fans expect and he knows how to win attractively and how to win ugly. One of the most experienced managers we’ve had in years. As I said if he can bring that attacking pass and move style that he had Derby playing, I don’t think there would be too many complaining.

    LGFUAD
    Not sure if you mentioned this point but I think that as SC obviously has a good relationship with Graham Carr, signings will be suited to McClaren, in essence, hopefully we won’t see too many more obertans or gouffrans etc

  • 42 JamesToon // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:32 AM

    Don’t know why I keep saying SC I mean SM

  • 43 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:34 AM

    McClaren can shock Newcastle fans next season. Why’s that, Ed?

    Well … “The good news is that he’s a million miles better than John Carver, who was simply a complete disaster as the club’s interim head coach, and almost had us relegated after we were 9th top when he took over.”

    Hahahahahahahahahah. How many times and in how many different ways can you knock JC, Ed?Almost every article finds a way to state how bad JC is.

    Don’t get me wrong. I think your campaign ahainst JC is hilarious. It has now become an affectation with you. But you can relax. There’s little chance that JC will end up with the job.

    Or will he? Hahahahahahahahahah.

  • 44 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:39 AM

    Old Blackley watched Derby concede 4 at Huddersfield last season. It could’ve easily been more. Their defence was almost non existent. Shockingly bad. And Mac didn’t have an answer – other than scoring 4 at the other end.

  • 45 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    Laudrup & De Boer wanted to talk to us?
    https://nufcdigest.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/why-are-newcastle-united-appointing-steve-mcclaren-heres-the-reasoning/

  • 46 Rotonda heights // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:45 AM

    frogonthetyne.

    True to a point, but the sad fact is we are getting someone whose more recent record would indicate he is on the slide and on the way down, no matter what his previous achievements were some time ago now.

    After all Meulensteen and Quiroz were very successful coaches at Manu and where are they now?

    I don’t dislike McLaren at all, he seems quite a pleasant friendly and convivial guy, much preferable to the smarmy pardew and the equally delusional oaf that is Carver.

    However, SM has rejected us twice already and once in our hour of need and I just think a lot of us thought we may aim for an up and coming, modern progressive type of coach, not necessarily stellar, but offering excitement and promise whch sadly SM does not provide.

    Anyone of Garde, Tuchel, Gourvennac, Galtier, Viera, Karanka, Paco Jemez, Laudrup FDB, the Chile manager etc, etc would have represented a break from the lengthy list of failed Brit mediocre managers.

  • 47 Rotonda heights // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:48 AM

    almost as sad as people referring to themselves in the 3rd person constantly

  • 48 Zangwill_Ho // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:51 AM

    Why is he?

  • 49 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:53 AM

    Rotonda
    When did you become a literary critic? You haven’t bought certificates of accreditation from Uganda, have you? Old Tuff got his fingers well burnt with that scam.

  • 50 optimistic prime // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:55 AM

    This time last year we’d signed two players and had a manager.

    We haven’t announced a manager even though we’ve had six months to do all the leg work. No manager no players and no communication from the club.

    The speed of change at NUFC would shame a striking cobra.

  • 51 chinleymag // Jun 6, 2015 at 11:56 AM

    Re McLarens record at Derby since Jan. The ability to take his team to the play offs last season then to keep there heads up and continue the momentum through until Jan this year says to me that he is an extremly good coach. Very often the play off losers from the previous season nose dive the next I think Derby have made a big mistake SM got no investment in the Jan window and his team just ran out of legs. I would rather have him rather than some untried in the Prem Frenchman Lets hope that the negative nay sayers lay off and give Steve a chance

  • 52 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:01 PM

    Why are we so slow?
    https://nufcdigest.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/southampton-set-to-beat-spurs-liverpool-and-newcastle-in-battle-for-10million-qpr-star/

  • 53 Rotonda heights // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:03 PM

    Blackley

    No from Tanzania (formerly Tanganyika) actually.

    Why do you think I meant you? Surely you don’t have that habit do you?

  • 54 LGFUAD21 // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:09 PM

    Blofal

    Mcclaren has always been tactically very rigid. Which is one criticism he has attracted especially at Twente and Derby during bad spells when he persisted despite injuries.

    He plays a 4-3-3 but it’s actually a very interesting system.

    On the attack it morphs into 4213 in defence it often becomes 4411

    Wingers have always been key as he does like them to track back and defend but he also has a good record of getting goals from his wingers as he also makes them act as wide forwards on the attack.

    He prefers two hard working grafters to sit in front of the defence rather than 1 or 2 out and out defensive mids.

    Generally he is known to give his fullbacks license to go forwards and he encourages wide players to push opposition fullbacks.

    Hope that sums it up. That is more based on his time at Twente but I definitely saw elements of that style at Derby.

  • 55 Mister Tuff // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:09 PM

    I see the Wally Brolly Brigade is getting stronger by the day. It’s like a pheonix rising from the ashes of the Pro Percy Brigade (aka the Legion of Dishonour).
    All sorts of fanciful reasonings are now being shouted to justify stances.
    The latest one – hailed by his peers -what – both Percy and JFK were hailed by their peers when they won the manager awards – so peer support does not always translate into guarenteed abilities.
    McClaren is yesterdays man -as inspiring as a wet dishcloth. He’s a knacker.
    I suppose the Wally Brolly Brigade were already signed up with their supportive accoutrements -as shown below:-

    http://yourfleamarket.net/oc-content/uploads/2562.jpg

  • 56 Rotonda heights // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:10 PM

    Just think it’s a bit sad when people need to keep coming up for reasons why SM has failed at this that and the other club and that everything is just an unfortunate collection of circumstances like Pardew’s infamous ” science was against us” .

    You can buy that once, maybe twice, but after that, is it all just co-incidence?

  • 57 bettyswallocks // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:12 PM

    BandB / Ibiza……….re. yesterday’s comments, I have not suddenly become an Ashley sympathiser or anti HWTF.

    My loyalties are still with the fans and their grievances with the disgusting, disrespectful treatment we have received from the Ashley mob.

    I would like to think that the campaign to unite the fans ,for which you both deserve huge credit for tirelessly helping to co ordinate ,has resulted in the start of change at our club. Awareness has been raised across the board and Ashley has actually responded.

    In a very short space of time , I think this is progress and we can one only wait and see what Ashley does this summer . He said we were not going to leave the results to chance but make our own luck. We shall see!!

    Understandably people are mistrustful, suspicious and sceptical of what he said, but I would like to think the protests have provoked the interview and if so we have made a start.

    My only grievance on here was with people slagging off Mc Claren as though he is the enemy and part of the regime before he’s even arrived.

    We could have made a more exciting choice, but I’m sure he will be coming to try his best and until he fcucks up I think he at least deserves a chance.

    I hope this doesn’t make me appear fickle. I would love Ashley to go, but whilst things are in the balance we need a little hope that things may be better on the pitch than they have been.

    A little bit of something is better than a lot of nothing.

  • 58 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:14 PM

    Rotonda
    Old Blackley has claimed it for himself.

  • 59 LGFUAD21 // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:15 PM

    Mister tuffs

    I said to you the other day and I’ll say it again.

    I’m not necessarily pro mcclaren I just think a lot of the criticism here levelled at him is misguided. I feel I have above a presented a fairly level headed case for him.

    And I didn’t even mention the coaching time under fergie or how highly regarded he is among former players to have worked under him.

    Just the other day we heard from Defoe, but after he was sacked from England he was still being highly supported by the likes of gary Neville.

    Teddy sheringham came out the other day and was talking about how much he changed in man Utds working by introducing a lot of video analysis.

    Can you present as good a case for your preferred choice other than “he didn’t get fired” “he didn’t manage in the championship” “he’s foreign” “he’s something new”

    You must be a gambling man

  • 60 LGFUAD21 // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:16 PM

    Betty

    Well said. My sentiments exactly.

  • 61 frogonthetyne // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:17 PM

    Rotonda

    I don’t think he’s been in decline. He has been at 2 struggling championship teams. Forest were going through a spell of hiring and firing everyone and he made Derby a good team with limited resources. Alright they didn’t make play offs but the championship is a hard league. No one predicted Bournemouth winning the league at the start.

    With the current squad we will get top 10 and a decent cup run. Add 3 defenders a decent number 9 and some squad players we will do well under mcclaren.

  • 62 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:17 PM

    https://nufcdigest.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/newcastle-bound-mcclaren-deserves-more-respect-than-he-receives/

  • 63 Rotonda heights // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:18 PM

    ”has resulted in the start of change at our club”
    – – – – – –

    betty what did i miss?

    Is a dynamic winning HC on the way?

    Is an array of good players about to turn up?

    Have Carver, stone, watson, woodman, Willo, Saylor, Colo, obertan, gouffran all left the building?

  • 64 Mister Tuff // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:19 PM

    LG – I’ve never gambled in my life.

  • 65 Rotonda heights // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:21 PM

    frog

    if we were going brit again, then howe at bournemouth or clement at real were surely the options we should have made great offers to you.

  • 66 LGFUAD21 // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:25 PM

    Another thing I loathe is those on here accusing people of suddenly converting as reality sets in.

    Personally even back in January when we were first linked with mcclaren I thought to myself that I’d take Garde, mcclaren or FDB as my top 3 and didn’t have particularly strong feelings as to who out of them. (Garde probably edges it)

    I’ve long maintained that we need a coach not a manager as I do not feel like we get the best out of players.

    Cabaye should’ve been even better than he was IMO
    We abused cisse at times
    Santon and mapou have shown they are better than they showed here.

    I’d say anita, moussa, colback, cabaye, cisse, santon, mapou, cabella and even HBA have all not shown their true potential and a smart coach would do that while also improving the likes of Willo and colo and their silly errors.

    Because of this and Steves background and reputation as a coach I’ve always felt he could do a decent job if given a bit of backing from the board.

    I’ve actually spoken to a fair few fans not on this blog that have shared this belief to one extent or another.

  • 67 LGFUAD21 // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:28 PM

    Rotunda

    Clement is an exciting prospect but he is still a risk. It could be an inspired choice by Derby but it could also fail miserably.

    Howe I would agree with but he’s made it clear it means more to him managing his club than anywhere else so I don’t think that would happen. He’s also very level headed so I think he would perceive this job to be too big for such a young manager.

    I’d also out Sean Dyche in that bracket. But then again I was jealous when villa got lambert and we all know how well that went.

  • 68 Rotonda heights // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:28 PM

    L21

    Can’t argue with that, I’ve lost count of the number of decent players reduced to a shambles by the incompetence of pardew, carver et al, who otherwise could have gone on to better things..

  • 69 Rotonda heights // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:30 PM

    kk was an inspired choice.

    With the dire so called football we’ve had for the last god knows how long I think a lot of people would happily take a risk

  • 70 bettyswallocks // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:32 PM

    Rotunda….. The change is that Ashley has actually spoken after 8 yrs. of hiding behind his yes men. Maybe that was only a coincidence , but I would like to think it was as a result of the pressure being cranked up.

    We have to wait and see what he actually spends now. It all boils down to this . If we ve been given false hope again, then onwards and upwards.

  • 71 frogonthetyne // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:34 PM

    Rotonda

    Howe would never leave Bournemouth. Why would he? He will at least give them 1 season.

    Clement like carver is unproven. Massive risk.

    As I said he wouldn’t be my first choice. Would have liked dyche personally. But if he is appointed I will give him time to put his stamp on things rather than Shoot him down at the first hurdle.

  • 72 dexter53 // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:37 PM

    It shocks me that he is even been considered.No season ticket for me.

  • 73 Rotonda heights // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:40 PM

    betty

    I suspect if Ash hadn’t done the bishop inspired and crafted PR intervew, he dreaded what the aftermath of the match was going to be if the worst had happened.

    An effective post match sit-in never really materialised in a situation where national and local media coverage covering anything negative about him and NUFC is usally banned.

  • 74 LGFUAD21 // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:44 PM

    Rotonda

    I think the key point is that. Even if everything ashley said was smoke and mirrors (which I believe it was) it does show that the pressure is being cranked up to the point they have had to keep stepping up their counter efforts.

    Another season like this with no ambition and ashley will no longer be able to lean on this weak excuse of implied incompetence from the football board that is trying their best.

    If we don’t improve next season I can imagine that no amount of pr witchcraft will remove the need for ashley to fire Charnley et Al.

  • 75 posada // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:45 PM

    Just want to have my normal dig at Graham Carr.
    ‘ In Carr we trust’ used to be a caption on this web site.
    Last summer his signings were dreadful.
    If he does get money to spend he will waste it on more no hopers.
    Why he has the confidence of the owner is a mystery.

  • 76 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:49 PM

    Striker Poll:
    https://nufcdigest.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/which-strikers-should-newcastle-sign/

  • 77 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:50 PM

    For me Mclaren is a massive improvement on Pardew no point in even mentioning Carver in that same breadth !!

    We have a lot of technical players used to playing a pass and move game usually in a 433 system under Pardew we did play this a few times and had success but he could not help himself and would always go back to 442 hoofball whenever he got the chance !!

    At Derby and Twente Mclaren played a 433 with pass and move football which if he even brings that surely it should represent at least a 20 or 30% improvement in some of our existing players seeing as they will be playing a system that they are used to and prefer playing ?

    A backline of Janmaat , Colo , Dummett/Saylor and Haidara is actually not that bad and if we pressed higher up the field and kept the ball better it would mean they are not under as much pressure

    I hope he brings in his own coaches though , I guess we will keep Carver and Stone but they might be useful when we need someone to go put the cones out or get the Greggs at lunch time …….

  • 78 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:50 PM

    Posada I think Carr should go, I said as much on twitter and was shot down because “Carr signs great players”

  • 79 frogonthetyne // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:52 PM

    Maybe just maybe MccLaren is being lined up as director of football to replace charnley which would make more sense. The main problem as always is lack of communication which makes everyone speculate. Even a simple we are interviewing this week and have a decision on Monday would suffice.

  • 80 bettyswallocks // Jun 6, 2015 at 12:59 PM

    The fact that Ashley has broken cover is a massive turning point. He has responded and accepted responsibility.

    We have to give him the summer to confirm what most of us suspect and then attack him full on if he doesn’t deliver.

    I can’t imagine Mc Claren hasn’t been given some reassurances on transfers, but my point is that Mc Claren hasn’t upset us yet , so let’s not assume he will do just because we hate Ashley.

  • 81 Belfast // Jun 6, 2015 at 1:05 PM

    I would laugh my bollox off if Paul Clement was a flop.
    3

  • 82 Malta Mag // Jun 6, 2015 at 1:06 PM

    Steve McClaren would not have been my choice but saying that I think we should be positive of his appointment rather than negative as he’s got vast experience and was the stand out No2 for Ferguson during his time at United. My greatest fear is that our fans will turn on him the moment things go wrong which they inevitably will? If the appointment had been Viera then even though he lacked experience the charisma surrounding him would have allowed him time. With McClaren however he will not be given that period of grace and I’m fearful of the consequences? We need to buy well during the summer with a big signing to get the fans back on side. Bringing Cabaye back or getting Charlie Austin may be a start but keeping some of our better players also sends out a strong message. I am more positive about the future but we all need to get onside and give the new manager time as it won’t happen overnight.

  • 83 Belfast // Jun 6, 2015 at 1:06 PM

    3 million a year on a 3 year deal ?

    Best of luck to them !

  • 84 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 6, 2015 at 1:07 PM

    @Belfast

    Yeah I am still unconvinced on that one its all fine and well coaching Madrid and Chelsea stars but going down a lower league level he might struggle to get players anywhere near to the level he is used to !!!

  • 85 Belfast // Jun 6, 2015 at 1:10 PM

    Basically bag yourself a job working alongside a top manager and you can command what ever money you want when you decide to go into management yourself.

    He was Steve Keans right hand man before Ancelotti.

  • 86 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 6, 2015 at 1:12 PM

    I notice Sunderland got Advocaat

    While a well respected coach they were so JAMMY to stay up last season I watched a few of their games and they were even more lucky than we were to stay up:

    Against Southampton they got 2 dodgy penalties and got dominated

    Against Everton they got dominated and scored 2 fluky goals while Everton should have had a penalty

    Against us at nil nil we should have had a penalty when Perez was fouled in the box even Niall Quinn said so on camera !

    Against Arsenal they got totally dominated after parking the bus and managed to get a point

    They will have to improve massively as well apparently they have a 50 million war chest thats not going to be enough for them either we had massive injuries but they had most of their best players fit for the whole season

  • 87 Belfast // Jun 6, 2015 at 1:14 PM

    When you read Queens Park Rangers balked at his wage demands. Wow Haha

  • 88 bettyswallocks // Jun 6, 2015 at 1:17 PM

    The fact that Mc Claren has been around the English game for years should help him understand what we expect from our team.

    The intensity and pressure that is generated in our stadium has been the undoing of many others.

    If he accepts the expectations and the backlash if he doesn’t produce, then he must think he’s up to the challenge.

  • 89 LGFUAD21 // Jun 6, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    While I beleive clement appears to have everything needed to be a success and this comes across in interviews he gave a year ago.

    I can understand why some directors would be wary of appointing him.

    There is a reason people play it safe. With so much on the table in premier league football.

    NOBODY EVER GOT FIRED FOR BUYING AN IBM

    Am I right ed?

    I do think the Nufc digest article makes a decent point. Mcclaren has been more successful than toon in the last decade. I don’t think we are really above him given where we are at the moment.

    I’m more concerned of what players come in though.

    It’s taken 6 months to still not have a head coach. We’ll be well into 2016 by the team we even have a shortlist of players at this rate.

  • 90 Belfast // Jun 6, 2015 at 1:25 PM

    He could be a great success or a massive flop. If he is a flop their decision to sack McClaren will look daft like.

    Derby have denied he’s earning 3 million a year to be fair, but the fact that Qpr appointed Ramsey instead suggests he’s on a big wedge to me.

  • 91 kilcline // Jun 6, 2015 at 1:27 PM

    Wow, a lot of muppets posting today.

    Hi belfast

  • 92 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 6, 2015 at 1:29 PM

    This summer are we going to get Carr’s A list B list or C list?

    Last year we got a mixture of players from the various lists

    Cabella was A list but never worked out we have been after him for ages

    Janmaat was A list and he worked out amazing

    Riviere was C List apparently knew he was not ready to lead the line in the premiership on his own needed an A lister to play beside him never got that player and look what happened

    Chucky C list that never worked out

    Perez C list that turned out very well

    Colback B list that turned out well probably would never have signed him if he was not on a free transfer though

    If we are after Austin then we need to pull out all the stops to get him I can only see Villa , Palace, Southampton and possibly Sunderland being the other rivals for his signature so it really depends on who our manager is and how much wages we offer

    But if we dont get him we need to be looking to get someone as good from somewhere else

    I am intrigued to see who we get this summer but we need to get a move on its the 2nd week of June now and we have done nothing !!

  • 93 Offkey // Jun 6, 2015 at 1:31 PM

    I don’t think there are many questioning the fact that SM has better credentials Pardew and Carver. The problem is that he is still on the same Pardew spectrum.

    Its an appointment that is slightly better than Pardew was (IMO) and I think the decision will split the fans once again.

  • 94 Belfast // Jun 6, 2015 at 1:33 PM

    Haha you d***

    Hows tricks Kilcline ?

  • 95 Belfast // Jun 6, 2015 at 1:38 PM

    Still wearing old spice ? 🙂

  • 96 nufcursed // Jun 6, 2015 at 1:49 PM

    fact is: this club has NO AMBITION!

    there are plenty of good managers (coaches) available, yet we go after an old fashioned manager in mcclaren.
    at the time where everything can be turned around and changed for the better, we look to continue the same route.
    this is just another pardew appointment which will never take us to the next level!
    we shoud’ve gone for someone like laudrup!

    also carr is a negative influence in this club, he has far too much to say!
    ashley is a fckn liar and most fans are dumb enough to believe him.

    i say the protesters keep it up until ashley’s gone cause things will NEVER get better as long as the fat prck is here…

  • 97 Zangwill_Ho // Jun 6, 2015 at 3:34 PM

    Really don’t want Steve McClaren to be

  • 98 solano38 // Jun 6, 2015 at 6:08 PM

    I would like to be proven wrong, but I think McClaren is just going to be another loser here

  • 99 Rotonda heights // Jun 6, 2015 at 7:25 PM

    offkey and cursed

    god forbid they’d actually go for someone the fans actually wanted.




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