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Newcastle Should Resist Selling This Player In Summer

9:51 am, Tuesday, June 23rd, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 132 Comments

There are persistent reports that Newcastle will sell Papiss Cisse this summer, but we are assuming that would only be considered if Newcastle can bring in two experienced strikers this summer and then we also have young Ayoze Perez and Manu Riviere for the four strikers we need – which is more than we had last season.

Today Sky Sports have said Newcastle are willing to listen to offers for the striker.

papiss cisse forbes

Papiss Cisse – Newcastle will listen to offers

But Cisse has continually said he wants to stay at the club and he was one of the few bright spots for us last season scoring 11 Premier League goals in 222 total appearances.

Although one big negative is that he did get himself suspended for 7 games after spitting at Jonny Evans in early March.

And as we know Newcastle lost every one of those games under inexperienced interim head coach John Carver.

Maybe the rumors have started because if we get Charlie Austin from QPR, he would get the number 9 jersey and Papiss would be used to recuperate some money but there’s a big fee on his head – said to be £10M and he’s now 30 years old.

Sky Sports is reporting Newcastle will listen to offers for the player and Cisse is quoted as saying he wants to stay at the club:

“I am at Newcastle and I have one and a half years left on my contract. I am a Newcastle striker and I just think about my holiday, when I go back to Newcastle I will try to work hard and try to make the team.”

“It’s good for Newcastle because he has been the England manager before. It is good to change something in the team.”

In January 2012 the news was that Papiss signed a five and a half year deal at Newcastle for around £9M – so Newcastle seem to want more than they paid for him.

Last season he was still suffering from the after-effects of his broken kneecap, but next season he should be fully fit.

There are clubs in Qatar and the United Arab Emirates interested in him, as well as Europa League winners Seville and Besiktas in Turkey.

It may be that Newcastle are testing the waters and see what offers they get for Papiss, but we’d be happy enough to see him stay at Newcastle for next season.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.



Tags: Contracts · Newcastle News · Papiss Cisse · Premier League · Transfer News and Rumours




132 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:54 AM

    I just hope at the last board meeting they discussed the style of play they planning to implement and are concentrating on acquiring the relevant players for the system. Not to much to ask of a professional football club?

  • 2 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:55 AM

    He has 1 and a half years left on his contract? That would mean that he would be a free agent mid season. He will be gone by Jan the latest then as in the Summer he would be able to negotiate with other clubs for a free move the following January.

  • 3 barkel // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:56 AM

    The only negative in keeping him is fitness issues but I would imagine the second operation he had when he was suspended has sorted out his knee. He’s the best goal scorer we have

  • 4 Sazzer // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:56 AM

    NUFC Gallowgate ?@NUFCgallowgate
    #NUFC Contracts

    2016
    Abeid
    Colo
    Elliot
    Marveaux
    Obertan
    Taylor
    Vuckic
    Willo

    2017
    Aarons
    Anita
    Bigirimana
    Cisse
    Dummett
    Gouffran
    Krul
    Tiote

  • 5 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:58 AM

    As exasperating as he is I will still be sad to see Cisse go, even more so without an equally prolific striker in place.

  • 6 Mr Magpie // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:58 AM

    It concerns me that the players we sign based on Carr’s recommendations in the most part look good players yet they all seem to regress with us.

    Maybe it is down to the coaching but i can think of many players that have looked really good signings & have not improved playing here but in fact have looked shadows of the players they were before we signed them.

  • 7 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:59 AM

    Cisse is the best impact sub we have and can still do a job for another six months.

  • 8 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:59 AM

    Not just the spitting
    Refusing to wear the Wonga shirt because of his faith , then being photographed in a casino putting chips on a table.
    He always comes back from Africa injured
    Run ins with traffic cops
    And this Feb had to be begged to stay and not go to the gulf.
    Instinctive striker with electric reflexes
    Average footballer
    Get rid

  • 9 Jail for Ashley // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:00 AM

    So Wild Bill Blacklock champion of truth and justicewho takes personal affront to any slight on nothing but fact being posted here, is calling Graham Carr out, not just for his ability in the scouting market but also his powers of persuasion in getting the worlds tightest billionaire in parting with his cash.

  • 10 Jail for Ashley // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:02 AM

    Begged to stay, JC reckons he begged Churners not to sell him, interesting !

  • 11 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:02 AM

    Mr Magpie

    I would suggest it is the limited coaching, or rather the fitness training only, that they receive. But to counter that argument ex-players often move and do not perform as well, so it is not a simple assessment.

  • 12 Jan Stavik // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:02 AM

    Gread guy, and by far the best striker we have. Keep him, and provide him the service he deserves – if so he’s a 20 goals per season striker!

  • 13 Jail for Ashley // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:03 AM

    Someone’s not a fan of those African mercenaries, even the ones from the West end of Newcastle.

  • 14 croftus5678 // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    11 goals in 222 games thats an appauling rate ! why havent we sold him by now 😉

  • 15 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:05 AM

    I’d rather bring Ba back from Turkey
    They are both the same age , 30.
    Ba ‘s had a brilliant season for Besiktas

  • 16 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:07 AM

    Mr Magpie,
    Many of them are signed from poorer leagues and that is part of why they don’t replicate their prior form with us. The coaching hasn’t helped in the past, but the simple fact is that some of them were at the right level for them, and aren’t good enough for the Prem.

  • 17 firebug666 // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:08 AM

    Cisse is a good goal getter there is no doubt, but maybe his attitude on the field, or his persistent knee injury is the reason the club want rid.

  • 18 croftus5678 // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    i was just reading about offering austin the no9 shirt to try get austin to sign !

    good idea imo but just got me thinking we should employ shearer as an iconic figure to try convince players to come to us.

  • 19 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    Croftus

    I dont think big Al would work for Mashers again. This season on Match of the day, he had one or two digs at the way the club is run

  • 20 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    Why the hell sell Cisse when we have not got no one to take his place.
    Someone tell the idiots that run our club – BUY SOMEONE before you sell.

  • 21 Jail for Ashley // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    Jan, they are going to take a hit on Riverie no matter what happens, why not accept that some players don’t have to be sold. We could offer Cisse a new deal, let him see it out and leave, at least we’d be guaranteed goals, they could sell him for five million and end up with another duffer.

  • 22 beermonkey // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    if we had been completely safe in jan cisse would have been sold when the offer came in for him

    on the subject of carr
    not all players we buy or any club buy will work out that’s just the way it is
    but over all I don’t think we have bought bad or poor players our problem has been the type of player we have bought and the manager we had in place
    McLaren seems to be more suited to the types of player we buy
    over the last few years our coaching has been poor so its hard to gauge whether some of our players are bad buys or poorly used and badly trained

  • 23 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:16 AM

    We can’t start the season with Riviere, Goofy and Perez as our strikers
    Buy the new players first then sell ,it’ll be a disaster to sell and not replace
    Sissoko ,tiote and krul as well ,on the rumour mill anyway
    Take them out and look at what were left with deadwood and sicknotes
    The whole squad needs upgrading imo,due to the chronic underinvestment over a long period of time

  • 24 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:16 AM

    Jail
    There’s clearly been plenty of cash available. Obviously not as much as we’d all like and certainly not as much as you, in your fantasy football world, expect and demand there should be. How do I know that? Because I’ve seen it wasted time after time. The old man’s losing it. And he’s not strong enough. Why would the tea boy ever be making football purchase decisions without the help and support of the so called director of football? Do you think he went through Carr’s pockets for his list when the old fella was having his afternoon nap? The tea boy and the comedian’s dad aren’t competent.

    As Lil suggests, and I’m sure you’ll agree, the buck stops with Ashley. Even Ashley has stated that publicly on tv in front of the world. Are you congratulating Ashley on appointing Carr, who is doing a first rate job with the tools he’s got?

  • 25 Jail for Ashley // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:16 AM

    Santons defensive abilities caused much debate on her, was he better than Haidara or Dummet

  • 26 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:16 AM

    Jail
    From NUFC’s media partner
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-transfer-news-papiss-cisse-3013519

  • 27 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM

    Other clubs would keep Cisse as a back up Chelsea Arsenal etc all give their 30 year olds a years deal and negotiate every year to keep or get rid

    Dont see the obsession with having to always sell a player as they get older or need a new contract

    Pretty sure Cisse would be happy with a little pay increase and an extra years deal if we got another striker means he could share the burden until Perez or Armstrong etc become premier league ready in a few seasons with an extra player in he could also be rested and be fresh when gets a game

  • 28 GEORDIE69 // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:21 AM

    I will copy and paste this on Ed’s posts until it is complete, then will we see if we have any ambition to compete for top 8 in the Premier League and a Trophy. I have left out the players that are not good enough to achieve this currently. I will also remove any that we sell. Time is ticking Mike Ashley as there are only 70 days to go until the transfer deadline.

    Lilongwe Geordie if we want to win a cup and finish top 8 then these gaps will need filled with top players. If we want to finish mid table to bottom then we could get by with keeping the likes of Taylor, Anita, Riviere, Abeid and Ameobi. Non Premiership suited players and Championship class players do not finish top 8 in the Premier League.
    Jib – Which players that I have missed out do you think could get us top 8, I look forward to your comical reply?

    GK Krul
    GK Darlow
    GK Elliot (3rd choice only)
    RB Janmaat
    RB
    LB
    LB Haidara
    CD
    CD
    CD Lascelles
    CD Colocinni ( Just for Tsunki )
    CM Sissoko
    CM Tiote
    CM Colback
    CM
    AM
    AM De Jong
    AM
    AM Aarons
    AM
    AM Cabella
    CF
    CF
    CF Cisse
    CF Perez

  • 29 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:26 AM

    Was selling MYM a good deal at around £6m ,might have been better keeping him and getting someone better to partner him
    He’s doing OK at Roma ,and we kept Willo
    Nothing makes sense to me !

  • 30 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:27 AM

    Jail

    “Blacklock champion of truth and justicewho takes personal affront to any slight on nothing but fact being posted here, ” Would you care to explain with an example?

    Note that we are having a discussion about the merits of Carr but Jail thinks it’s clever to play the man (Wild Bill Blacklock) not the ball. Whatever follows he brings upon himself. If old Blackley ridicules his views, he has asked for it.

  • 31 Zero // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:27 AM

    Geordie69,

    You’ve listed 25 places, arnt we only allowed to name 21 players… unless im mistaken.

    Also we need to satisfy the home grown rules.

  • 32 Mr Magpie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:27 AM

    Lil
    They may have been playing in inferior leagues but also were playing champions league football. The likes of M’biwa, Cabella, Anita were all playing in inferior leagues but we’re stand out players & also looked impressive in the champions league.

    The likes of Gouffran, Marveaux have not been good enough & that may be from coming from an inferior league but they never looked that great even in those leagues.

  • 33 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Blackley,
    “Are you congratulating Ashley on appointing Carr, who is doing a first rate job with the tools he’s got?”

    Why would we congratulate Ashley for appointing a Chief Scout and then preventing him from doing his job to the best of his ability? I wouldn’t congratulate an IT department for employing an IT technician and then only allow him to use an Atari 400.

  • 34 Zero // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    Gouffy was ok as a CF he gets played out on the wing too much at Newcastle, a bit like expecting Cabella to pick up defensive duties.

    I think Big Mc is doing the right think with the clean slates, some of our players have alot more capability than is being currently / has been used

  • 35 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    Jail
    In other words, old Blackley’s marked your card.

  • 36 Zero // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:32 AM

    Jail,

    You should be quaking in your boots ole blackleg is comin for ya lol

  • 37 Sazzer // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:34 AM

    BL_Latest Transfers ?@BL_LatestEN
    Joel #Matip won’t join Newcastle United this summer. Manager Horst Heldt told DerWesten: “Joel wants to stay at Schalke.” #S04

  • 38 Sazzer // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:34 AM

    BL_Latest Transfers ?@BL_LatestEN
    There’s no offer from Newcastle United and the Magpies are not interesting for Joel Matip, Horst Heldt revealed. #S04

  • 39 Oldgit1 // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:34 AM

    Georie69 I would include Anita, I really believe he will fit perfect with mcclaren style of play. He will become a cracking player I’m sure.

  • 40 Jail for Ashley // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:35 AM

    Blacklock,
    I don’t get your post, is Carr doing a first rate job with the tools he’s got or is he failing to spend old Mikeys money correctly.

  • 41 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:36 AM

    Mr Magpie,
    Did Cabella look impressive in the Champions League? He played 6 games with 1 assist in 4 defeats and 2 draws. Mbiwa was part of a defence that conceded 12 goals in 6 games.

    Anita played in 10 group stage games for Ajax, the majority at left back and his side lost half of them.

    I can’t say I watched all the games, but unless you did (unlikely) it is difficult to make a case for them being stand out players in the champions league.

  • 42 Jail for Ashley // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:36 AM

    Zero,
    I’m packing my bags as we speak !

  • 43 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:37 AM

    Geordie69,
    My point is that you are unrealistic expecting that to be done.

  • 44 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:37 AM

    Lil
    You miss my point. All directors of football work within financial constraints, some more than others. I’m asking Jail if he thinks Ashley has made a good choice in appointing Carr because he thinks Carr is doing a good job working within the financial constraints given. Jail suggests Ashley has given Carr no money. The fact is we’ve wasted millions in transfer fees and wages in the last two years alone.

  • 45 Mr Magpie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:38 AM

    Lindisfarne
    Yeah i definitely think the limited coaching has been the main problem. Carr scouts players in from playing certain positions & roles. When they arrive those positions need to be replicated & the roles they played reprised.

    Surely it is pointless for Carr to be scouting players for positions & styles to fit into the team if when they arrive they are played elsewhere & asked to play a completely different way.

    Hopefully under Mcclaren the working relationship between him & Carr will be much better with agreements made together on potential signings needed for the team & style of play.

    This will hopefully mean players will be signed to play in the positions & in the style they were scouted in & we will get to see the best of them.

  • 46 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:38 AM

    Croftus @18
    I think it will go farther than that
    Supermac and Big Al know each other well and like and respect each other.
    I fully expect McClaren in the future to invite Shearer to help with forward training along the lines of Teddy Sherringham at West Ham

  • 47 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:39 AM

    Sorry, impressive players, stand out was the domestic league.

  • 48 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:39 AM

    Surely we can’t judge Carr on the players we buy,as they are more than likely not his first choice players
    Other players recommended represent less pound for pound value in the fuhrers eyes
    It’s a complete false economy,buy shite and you can’t get rid,buy quality and they’ll have a resale value

  • 49 Zero // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:41 AM

    Blackley,

    The problem is, its hard to assess how well Carr is doing since we dont know if for example.. you have 15 million to spend on 3 players, Carr could argue the money better spent on 1 player not 3… MA only cares about making money and resales so wants 3 players brought in.

    albiet I do agree we have wasted alot on players like Marv, amifito (sp*) Rivi etc.

    But all in all I think Carr has spotted some gems that have came straight into the game at the EPL level.

  • 50 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM

    Jail
    I’m criticising Carr for his poor purchases with the money he’s got. You’re criticising me for being Wild Bill Blacklock and for my criticising Carr.

    Are you saying Carr is spending what money he has wisely? If so, are you saying Ashley made a good choice in appointing a “top” chief scout/DoF?

  • 51 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM

    Blackley,
    If Carr is our DoF, it is only a recent appointment. at the very earliest it would have to coincide with Charnley’s appointment as MD. Prior to that he was the chief scout, so the very earliest he could have wasted money is last summer – Rivi definitely, the others jury is probably out, although Cabella has a lot of work to do.

    As Chief Scout, Carr prepares the lists and dossiers, but doesn’t make the final decision. He will make recommendations and tell them his thoughts, but that would be it.

  • 52 Jail for Ashley // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:44 AM

    Ha ha, the gall of him, where have I suggested that good ‘ol Mikey hasn’t given him any money.
    You’re not a very good champion of truth and justice Blackley.

  • 53 Mr Magpie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:44 AM

    Lil
    I said they were stand out players in the inferior leagues they played in not the champions league mate.

    You can manipulate stats to suit but Montpellier or Ajax were never gonna be champions league winners but i said these particular players were not out of their depth & looked impressive in my opinion.

  • 54 Zero // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:45 AM

    Blackley you need to take into account we can only buy players that want to come here and fit within our wage structure… Carr could well be doing the best with what is available both budget wise and actual player availablity.

  • 55 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:45 AM

    Is there a prevailing feeling that McClaren may eventually replace Carr as DOF and the Assistant Coach will progress to become the Head Coach in time? On the understanding that he/she has to accept a low wage in the meantime, before the riches of the becoming the lightening rod.

  • 56 Mr Magpie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:45 AM

    Lil
    Just seen your post, no worries ignore first part of mine now mate lol

  • 57 Sazzer // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:45 AM

    GEORDIE69
    Tsunki? not Colo (just for Toonbrother)?

  • 58 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:47 AM

    Zero
    If Carr wanted to invest in one player not three, it is hard to imagine a guy like Ashley, who knows nothing about football, over-ruling a guy like Carr, whom he has appointed on a lucrative long term contract to spot the talent that will make him money.

  • 59 Jail for Ashley // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:48 AM

    Blackley,
    One of the rare good decisions Ashley has made in his time here was appointing Carr.

  • 60 Zero // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:50 AM

    Blackley,

    It was just one example, at the end of the day it just highlights the fact that none of us know the recruiting policy in place or the retraints on the staff whom work within it.

    Personally given the mega flops at other clubs, I think that even with our flops we are still doing ok… given that most are performing in positions and play styles they are not accustum to… could be worse could have wasted money on Falco like ManU or Mario like Liverpool

  • 61 Mister Tuff // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:52 AM

    Hard to judge Carr as we do not know who he has reccommended or if his top of the list recommendations were vetoed for whatever reason and then players further down the list we bought. He could clearly scout players upon the suggestion of others.
    I am mystified at the suggestion he has a pot of money to work with for buying players.

  • 62 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:54 AM

    Zero
    You mention Carr’s gems. I struggle to think of any other than Perez, and it’s still very early days for him. He hasn’t made it yet, not by a long way.

    The others are players who were very well known. Not necessarily by me, who’s doesn’t bother too much with world football in general. I’m thinking of Cabaye, Tiote, Janmaat, Cisse … all internationals.

  • 63 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:55 AM

    Mr Magpie,
    See 45.

    I’m not manipulating stats in the slightest. Of course they weren’t going to win the Champions league, that doesn’t really have any bearing on it mind. 6 Champions league games tells little of the suitability to adapt and player week in week out at a far higher level.

    Still, I wasn’t the one who brought specific names into the equation. Mbiwa didn’t cut it here, a poor purchase. Cabella is struggling, looks too much like a show pony but could still make it if he adapts. Anita was a jack of all trades at Ajax, he left because Ajax couldn’t guarantee him a spot in centre mid.

  • 64 hibbit // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:56 AM

    all the players we sign are on carr’s list if they are not good enough they should not be there in the first place never mind sign them

  • 65 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM

    Tuff
    He and the tea boy have a pot of money. It might not be a big pot, as big as we’d like, but it’s big enough to waste big time on first team duck eggs, as well as wages on ghost players who take up valuable reserve team places.

  • 66 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:59 AM

    Hibbit
    That sums up quite nicely what I’m saying.

  • 67 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:59 AM

    Mr Magpie,
    I quite like Anita as a player, he hasn’t regressed in my eyes, just isn’t suited. I haven’t decided on Cabella. Far too little end product, and too many tricks just for the sake of doing tricks. There is no need for it, and he needs to cut it out if he is to become the player that he promised to be when at Montpellier.

    Mbiwa was maybe unlucky in how he was used, but he never convinced me. Maybe he needed longer to settle, but he isn’t the type of centre half I’d be looking for at the club, so I’m not that bothered about his departure. Not replacing him however….

  • 68 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:59 AM

    Anyway, got to go. Take it easy guys.

  • 69 Zero // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:01 AM

    Blackley,

    Doesnt matter if they are well known, part and parcel of a scouts job is not only finding players, but finding the deals and its also about buying players that are about to hit form… which again it would be hard to argue that those players mentioned hit some of their best form here at Newcastle.

    What worries me is the wasted money on complete gambles when that money could have been used to complete alleged deals with Gomis or Benteke or Aubameyang… seems crazy to me that we apparently lost each of those due to a couple of million.

  • 70 Sazzer // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    A lot of PEA rumours today.

  • 71 Zero // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:05 AM

    Sazzer,

    where? the PEA deal originally was horrendously drawn out, plus hes doing well at Dortmund.

  • 72 Sazzer // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:06 AM

    Zero
    Rumours has it Arsenal is going for him this summer.

  • 73 Zero // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:09 AM

    Sazzer, just seen it… 28 million… abit high but well I guess he wasnt worth that 12 million we wouldnt fork out a couple of years back. Wasnt that the same year we wasted 1 mill on amifito and we brought in Marv… wow if only we had upped that 10 mill bid lol

  • 74 Mister Tuff // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:10 AM

    Blackley – how big is the pot of money you refer to that Carr has at his disposal.

    On the scouting front debate. The club admitted it has made mistakes but we do not know what they think the mistakes were – we’ll probably never get to know. If the scouting process/hiring process was included in the mistakes they made it should be rectified – therefore what has gone on before is now probably irrelevant – if they change.
    We’ll soon find out what the standard is when we start signing players.

  • 75 Zero // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    Tuff,

    Its probably a good time to point out that although we dont seem to be moving in the transfer market (because we arnt) that could be seen as the club looking for the right players for Big Mc instead of just buying cheapo imports

  • 76 Zero // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:14 AM

    Also Schlanke have just signed Johannes Geis that could free up Matip leaving.. not that I would read too much into it lol

  • 77 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:16 AM

    Jail

    You ask, “Ha ha, the gall of him, where have I suggested that good ‘ol Mikey hasn’t given him any money.”

    When I was talking about nothing more than all the money Ashley has given Carr, you said I was calling Graham Carr out for not getting more money out of Ashley. Where did I say that?

    You said I was calling Carr out on ” … his powers of persuasion in getting the worlds tightest billionaire in parting with his cash.” See your post 9 above.

    And that in itself suggests that you blame Ashley for not parting with his cash for Carr to spend.

    You need to follow the argument and remember what you say.

  • 78 Sazzer // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:20 AM

    Zero
    We didn’t lose PEA because of money but because of Dortmund came in for him.

  • 79 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:21 AM

    Tuff
    We both can guess at the size of the pot judging by reported fees and estimated wages. I wouldn’t like to put a figure on it but Cabella, De Jong, and Riviere alone didn’t come cheap.

    I agree with you and Zero that this is the time to wait and see. We should not be rushed. That is one reason I’m not with the flappy birds.

  • 80 Mr Magpie // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:23 AM

    Just read on twitter that Horst Heldt the Schalke manager has apparently told paper Derwesten that Matip wants to stay at Schalke & no interest shown by Newcastle.

    Not sure but Geis signing shouldn’t have much impact on Matip as Geis midfielder & Matip predominantly a cb.

  • 81 Zero // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:25 AM

    Sazzer I thought we had been ‘bidding’ for PEA for nearly a month before they came in. But that may have all been paper talk, I mean MA low ball clubs when trying to get players… never.. right…lol

    But you right it goes back to what I mentioned earlier, finding players and bidding for them is one thing, getting them here is another, wages, bigger teams, the lure of the south all come into play… look at what Remy did.

  • 82 Jail for Ashley // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:25 AM

    19Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:51 AM

    Lil
    Carr should be saying “He’s next on the list, but I don’t think he’s good enough and certainly not at that price.” …. “Bony is the man. You’ve got to get him at that price. Trust me.” 

    There blackley, you’re blatantly blaming Carr for not being able to persuade ‘The Board’ or Mikey, Churners who ever to part with the money.
    You get with the programme and follow the argument.

  • 83 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:26 AM

    Lil @49
    How do you make that out? If Carr was the chief scout, pardew was the head coach, who with the footballing brains was DoF? I’m not talking about fancy titles, just who was doing the work on the ground even if they weren’t wearing the correct designation on their hard hats.

  • 84 Zero // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:26 AM

    Mr Magpie,

    I thought Geis was a DM same as Matip… I may have my wires crossed, on that note its time for a coffee.

  • 85 Sazzer // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:31 AM

    Zero
    Geis is a good signing for Schalke.

  • 86 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:35 AM

    Jail
    If you followed the discussion youd have seen I was talking about money wasted on a whole bunch of players. Bony was just one example. The argument runs that he was Carr’s first choice. Nobody is saying we didn’t have enough money to get him. I’m saying we spend more on a group of lesser players.

    I’ve got you praising Ashley for an element of good stewardship. There’s a result. Even if I don’t agree with you.

  • 87 Mr Magpie // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:35 AM

    Zero
    You are right that Matip can play in the same position cdm as Geis does but i think he is predominantly used as a cb by both Schalke & Cameroon.

  • 88 Zero // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:36 AM

    Sazzer,

    Carnt say ive ever seen him play to my memory, looking at his stats however it would be prudent to agree that an average of 7.33/10 at his age is certainly good… given Tiote only got a 6.92

  • 89 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    Does anyone know the guy who runs the academy and how long he’s been doing? Because he should be sacked as well.

  • 90 GEORDIE69 // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    Zero: Last season was a maximum of 25 players with no more than 17 non British based players. I have not heard that this has been reduced to only 21 players for the new season. That would mean less than 1 player per position and a shortage of goalkeepers.

  • 91 GEORDIE69 // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    Lilongwe Geordie You are missing my point. I am not expecting it to be done, it needs to be done if Mike Ashley is realistic about wanting to finish top 8 and have a chance of winning a trophy.

  • 92 barkel // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:48 AM

    I’m 99% sure that the club has said that the scouts identify the players and then it was up to the club secretary and financial director to try to get the best deal and if they feel it doesn’t represent value for money they move onto the next on the list

    So it seems that none of the scouts have anything to do with money, they may make a recommendation on what they feel an appropriate fee would be but they’re not part of negotiations

  • 93 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:49 AM

    morning all

  • 94 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 11:53 AM

    Michu not going for much:

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/449576/Swansea-offload-Michu-just-4m

  • 95 Sazzer // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:04 PM

    Zero
    I think PEA was convinced that better offer would come along so he simply waited.

  • 96 JamesToon // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:07 PM

    b&b

    joe joyce is academy manager while beardo & dawson are u21 coaches, and watson, brambly and richardson are u18 coaches

  • 97 Sazzer // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:14 PM

    I don’t remember if it were PEA, L.De Jong, L.Remy or Gamerio that was our top target when Bony went to Swansea. But I remember that our scouting on him were off. They rated someone else higher.

  • 98 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:22 PM

    I don’t blame Carr for the knackers we’ve got in the squad, I think he’s an experienced guy given the remit to go out and find the bargains that will keep us in the league. Where I think it breaks down is non-footballing directors, bean counters whatever, second guessing Carrs valuation and putting a red line through some of the more unpalatable expensive looking purchases, and moving down to choice two or three. I think we rarely get a first choice, the guys who make the buying decisions have evidently not been able to ascertain the asset value of a lot of players with regard to crucial positions, injury history and simply being able to fit together in the same squad. Just putting on the old horse trading jacket and being pleased you’ve bought players for knock down prices is not even good business. it’s like buying cheap shoes. This season was nearly a monumental disaster.

    Steve McLaren may be ‘only’ the coach, but him and Carr should have a lot more to say about when penny pinching is jeopardising the squad. If we end up filling the training ground with Riviere’s and Gouffrans again we’ll be doing all this same time next year, if we’re fortunate.

  • 99 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:23 PM

    Still trying for Dost
    https://nufcdigest.wordpress.com/2015/06/23/newcastle-united-continue-pushing-for-wolfsburg-striker-bas-dost/

  • 100 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:26 PM

    Blackley,
    Does every club operate with a DoF? No, they don’t. Levy isn’t a football man, yet he is in charge of Spurs transfers. David Gill, David Dein etc. many of the power brokers for transfers aren’t football men. As Barkel says it is up to our MD and the finance people to broker deals, and that has been how it worked, and probably how it still does.

    What is your desperation to paint Carr as the problem, rather than realising that there is far more to it then that?

  • 101 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:27 PM

    Oh and all respect to Mr Moncur but his life these days is far removed from the hands on of current competitive football. I’m sure he’s top notch in the function speaking and club ambassadorial roles but I can’t see him laying down too many rules about player recruitment and squad strategy. I don’t think that’s what he’s in there for.

  • 102 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:28 PM

    Dust off Bas Dost bids! Fanning the dying embers are we?

  • 103 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:31 PM

    Blackley don’t want to rattle the bars but do you know Carr gets his targets wrong for a fact? You’d need a list of all his preferred targets to do that I would think. If they all had Riviere, gouffran, Cabella etc at the top you’d have a point. But I bet they weren’t.

  • 104 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:33 PM

    Skunki…I still think Bob is there to fetch the coffee and to give us the impression that the club wants strong ties with its past;

    …all baloney of course!

  • 105 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:33 PM

    Anyone heard of Alfonso Pedraza?
    https://nufcdigest.wordpress.com/2015/06/23/agent-confirms-english-interest-in-newcastle-and-west-ham-linked-winger-alfonso-of-villarreal/

  • 106 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM

    Tsunki
    Gotta feeling we are going round in circles

  • 107 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM

    Come to think of it everything about this setup is baloney!

  • 108 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:35 PM

    Surely IF we are in the process of buying a couple of players ,we need them asap so they can gel during preseson training and matches
    There’s no point wasting another season by buying just before the window shuts and risking relegation again,we could be in trouble quite quickly with the run up till Xmas looking tricky

  • 109 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:38 PM

    Season ticket sales picking up?
    If so ,why ffs !

  • 110 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:40 PM

    Mickalfas because nothing really bad is happening? it’s the next best the ingredients to something good happening you know. Short memories for some.

  • 111 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:41 PM

    Anyway who says st sales are picking up?

  • 112 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:44 PM

    That was supposed to read :-

    Mickalfas because nothing really bad is happening? it’s the next best thing to something good happening you know. Short memories for some.

  • 113 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:45 PM

    People talk on here as if we are the only club that buys the odd stinker
    Have a look at this lot
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfers/11329421/Biggest-Premier-League-transfer-flops-in-2014-15.html?frame=3156449

  • 114 awaydays // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:48 PM

    People saying we should have kept mbiwa your deluded he was s**t i was at the everton game when he was abismall no strength couldnt win a header ive watched him a few times just because he was young and had a bit of pace doesnt make him good if that makes a player go grab some lads off your estate he wasnt cut out for the prem its too physical for him the serie A suits him because the panzees very rarely challenge eachother

  • 115 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:49 PM

    Was just wondering ,that’s all ,really hoping the lack of st sales MIGHT force them into action of any sort

  • 116 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:50 PM

    I can’t remember Mbiwa ever actually touching a ball with his head, curious talent for a CB.

  • 117 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:56 PM

    Who scouted him then ?a CB what can’t head a ball and didn’t we lose money on him?

  • 118 scottoon // Jun 23, 2015 at 12:56 PM

    The level of inactivity at the club is astonishing. Rumours abound and we cant even get a coaching staff in. There was a time in the not too distant past that footballers and coaches alike would have given their right arms to work at St James. Now it seems to repel people. That is down to one element…..Ashley. All the talk of his minions and what they do right or what they do wrong is wasted in my opinion. There is but one cancer and it has to go…..

    Ashley OOT!!!!

  • 119 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 1:00 PM

    Mackems have bid for Wijnaldum
    https://nufcdigest.wordpress.com/2015/06/23/sunderland-act-quickly-to-try-and-beat-newcastle-and-manchester-united-to-dutch-player-of-the-year/

  • 120 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 1:00 PM

    Why are Newcastle dragging their feet over everything?

  • 121 croftus5678 // Jun 23, 2015 at 1:01 PM

    ah dog namit looks like we will miss out on wijnaldum now also 🙁

    i wish they would look at it as we could sign 6 solid avg prem players or 3 top class prem players.

    we could go for the prem with half a squad of top class players with luck on your side but they can never go for the prem with a squad full of avg players.

  • 122 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 1:05 PM

    Well no Jib we don’t, we just reckon we get a little above average. And our very own Riviere And Cabella were on your list btw.

  • 123 awaydays // Jun 23, 2015 at 1:05 PM

    And on the young players people saying armstrong will be ready after a season on loan is rubbish hes nowhere near ready he needs to bulk up and be a regular on loan for about 2 years he will then be more experienced personally i think he will struggle is quite short not particularly fast or strong hes good in possession but its gonna be hard for him

  • 124 ToonHeart // Jun 23, 2015 at 1:09 PM

    All depends on the coaches to bring the best out in players. I think Cisse is a great striker and can be a serious threat, he proved this in our first season. If the new coaching staff can bring the best out in these players (which SM has proven he can do) then there’s no reason why Cisse couldn’t be knocking in the goals as we know he can do.

    Stop thinking it’s about lack of money and players quality. We were mid table with our current players then John Carver took over and messed the whole team up.. It’s all about the quality of coaches bringing the best out in the players!!!

  • 125 scottoon // Jun 23, 2015 at 1:11 PM

    The Barrack Road Plague, as it has come to be known, is said to have originated in the executive offices of the famous Newcastle United Football Club as early as 2007. Minor flare ups over the years were contained until 2015 when the contagion, which apparently only affects footballers, and football coaches, gained significant traction. Alan Pardew, long time manager at NUFC, is said to have recognized the infection and bolted before it took him down, although rumours persist that he has been a carrier of the disease for many years, and that efforts at containment are for nought as it is just a matter of time before the infection takes root at Crystal Palace.

    In a concerted effort to contain this heinous harmful agent, St James Park has been quarantined. There will be no new coaches, players, or executives allowed into the club for the foreseeable future.

    Specialists, most notably the supporters of NUFC recognize that the cure for this evil lies in the excision of patient zero from the club, one Michael Ashley. Mr. Ashley is a notable businessman who has been the owner of Newcastle since 2007. These specialists have long theorized that the effects of the plague can be reversed in carriers if the original host is eradicated.

    Notwithstanding the previous statement, there are fears that Mr. Pardew is simply too infected to recover.

  • 126 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 1:11 PM

    Let’s see if any players reject another premiership club to come here,then we see where we stand as an attractive club to sign for
    I can’t see it atm
    Ashley OUT !!

  • 127 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 1:14 PM

    Nice one Buzzer!

    http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/pool-ace-to-send-ashley-out-message-to-newcastle-owner-at-world-championship-1-7322877

  • 128 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 1:17 PM

    Jib 2
    If you are going to repost my stuff , to get past moderation , at least punctuate it properly.

  • 129 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    Pound for pound value, we should be eleventh in the league table:

    http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/06/squad-valuation-of-every-premier-league-club/?

  • 130 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 1:19 PM

    # 9th…..sorry my eye sight went

  • 131 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 1:20 PM

    😉 must of been shagging to many sheep and now showing my true colours……mmm!

  • 132 Jail for Ashley // Jun 23, 2015 at 1:26 PM

    scottoon,
    Very Good.




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