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Newcastle Trying To Agree Deal For Ukrainian International

5:59 pm, Tuesday, June 23rd, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 255 Comments

Newcastle look to enter the race for Ukrainian International Yevhen Konoplyanka, who is a left-sided midfielder and now a free agent, but is asking for huge wages.

Stoke City have balked at those wage demands.

Konoplyanka used to play at Dnipro Dnipropetrovs and 18 months ago he almost moved to Liverpool for the £16M buyout clause in his contact but Dnipro President Ihor Kolomoyskyi refused to allow the 25 year-old to move to Merseyside.

Yevhen Konoplyanka

Yevhen Konoplyanka – 25 year-old free agent

Konoplyanka has been at Dnipro all of his career and made his debut in the Ukrainian Premier League in August 2007, in a home game against Zakarpattia Uzhhorod, which ended 0–0.

At the time he was 17 years old and he has since played 210 times for the club with 45 goals and 37 assists, including playing 42 times last season with 8 goals and 7 assists.

Yevhen made his debut for Ukraine in May of 2010 and played the whole game in the 4–0 win over Lithuania in Kharkiv – and he had previously played for all the Ukrainian Youth sides.

Stoke have been trying to agree a deal with the 45 times capped winger (10 goals), but it seems they are unable to agree wages with the player.

Newcastle are reported as being one of the clubs who are keen to at least explore whether they can make a deal with the 5’10” tall winger.

The wage demands of the Ukrainian are said to be colossal so unless his wage demands come down then Newcastle will not be able to make a deal either – but he’s very keen to join the Premier league with some club.

His wage demands are said to exceed £100K/week – so he’s got to be kidding.

The player is due in England next week to talk to clubs who are interested – and that includes Newcastle – and needless to say this lad will go to the club who are willing to pay him the biggest wages.

So he’s after the money for sure.

Comments welcome.



Tags: Premier League · Recruitment · Transfer News and Rumours · Transfer Target




255 responses so far ↓

  • 1 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    Sign him! Sign him and then we’ll fong him I say! Pay him in zlotties and rubles! Huzzah!

  • 2 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    Ketsy will stain his y-fronts if we sign this lad…. where is he these days anyway. We havent had a list!

  • 3 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:02 PM

    G2

    He is more likely to be paid in Pastry, here!

  • 4 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM

    Op
    Souness was manager of Southampton when an “agent” trickex him into believing his client was something to do with Weah, can’t remember what relation tho

  • 5 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM

    Repost

    YoungMagpieFromBurnley
    June 23, 2015
    WWSBRD

    Multi-account? I have been reading but only vaguely since i just finished my first year at college today, is it something i need to be aware of?

    Yes, i guess that is a legitimate reason for not signing anyone. Must be hard selling the likes of Obertan and co… But that’s what happens when you give these players contracts that teams that are at there level cant afford. Really hope we get rid of the deadwood.

  • 6 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM

    YoungMagpie
    Haha dont worry bud was just having a laugh. There is a few on here who have more than one account…its an annoying trait some seem to have but am not accusing u….yet haha

    I dont disagree regarding the squad there are very few I would be upset to lose infact only 3 Perez, Janmaat and Cabella

  • 7 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    Does this Russian lad understand our method of reward and punishment YCMIU mate? We idolize top players and fong the rest!!! Harrumph.

  • 8 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:05 PM

    YoungMag
    I could give u a little run down of the troubled individuals but more fun for u to find out urself!

  • 9 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:05 PM

    OP

    Souness was managing southampton. That documentary on le tiss mentioned it. Tiss was quite humerous about it

  • 10 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:05 PM

    Did someone say multi-pass????

  • 11 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:05 PM

    On topic though ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS A WEEK is why this wont happen

  • 12 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:06 PM

    Pootle

    Cousin i think.

  • 13 Ketsbaia9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:06 PM

    I’m here. We need to get this chap signed up. Pay the 100k per week. He’s a great play. Him and thauvin on the wings would be great. The winajdum would be a decent coup. Reckon we’ll go for mdodji, van dijk and matip

  • 14 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:06 PM

    Pootle
    Haha, it was cousin.

    I’m sure Souness put him on then took him off after 5mins

  • 15 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:06 PM

    Breaking….

    Nufc are after chillean Haribo Fizzi

  • 16 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM

    Remember when liverpool were after him, probably why he has such huge wage demands.

    Would love him here, but… Im guessing everyone is probably sick of hearing the second part of that statement so il just leave it 🙂

  • 17 geordiesteve520 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM

    Haha has Kets started this rumour off? He’d drive to Ukraine to get him if he was old enough

  • 18 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM

    OMG!!! KETSY!!!

    Right on cue!. I actually agree. Hes a canny player by all accounts.

  • 19 Ketsbaia9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM

    We must sign him. He’s worth 20 million so pay the 100k per week. Resign santon for 4 million as well

  • 20 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:08 PM

    Mark

    Never saw the doc, I’ve heard sour puss talk about it lol

  • 21 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:08 PM

    Scharner as well?

  • 22 TudorCrisps // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:09 PM

    Over rated and the end of his second name yanka rhymes with what he sounds to be

  • 23 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:10 PM

    WWSBRD

    I’m still trying to work out if it is just a few who have multiple accounts or whether it’s just 1 person with a severe case of multiple personality disorder who is just having one huge conversation with himself. If that’s the case, maybe I’m a rational side of him trying to reason with all the other personas!
    If that’s true………what a mind fk that is!!

  • 24 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:10 PM

    Forget Konoplyanka ketsy! We’re getting Gristle and Minge!!!

  • 25 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:11 PM

    How about a £100,000 a year, fifty SD vouchers and a years pass for the NUFC golf course.

    A Bonus of being sold after one good year

  • 26 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:11 PM

    They’re much cheaper. They’ll play for us for a couple of cream buns. Huzzah!!!

  • 27 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:14 PM

    Ketsy never ever went away just FYI 🙂

    Multipass! MULTIPASS!!!

  • 28 sparky55 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:14 PM

    Six digits in his pay demands means he ain’t coming here unless the thought of not challenging for anything mean’s he’ll be happy to half his demands!!!!

  • 29 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:15 PM

    Pootle
    Haha wonder what side of him I am

    I am Jacks sense of inappropriate humour?

  • 30 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:15 PM

    Pootle

    Best not to think about it too much 😀

  • 31 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:17 PM

    I really hope we sign Dost, we have needed a target man for ages. Perez and Cisse and maybe even Riviere would excel playing off of him.

  • 32 scottoon // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:19 PM

    It wont be the 100K per week that is a problem. It will be those damn agent’s fees……

  • 33 Welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:20 PM

    With that price never gonna happen

  • 34 sparky55 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:20 PM

    He’s 25 years old for christs sake…give him a 4 year contract on 100k a week and we’ll still be able sell him for 15 million in four years time so he’ll have cost us 5 million in four years which is like paying 25k a week

    This is a no brainer…we can’t lose on that deal for a player of his quality…someone somewhere will pay that for a player of his quality but unfortunately it won’t be us

  • 35 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:20 PM

    Tsunki

    So is Ketsy your alter-ego then? :-/

  • 36 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:21 PM

    sparky
    What if he breaks his spine 18 months into the contract?

  • 37 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:22 PM

    Tranzibsor or what ever they’re called are in talks wit Tiote according to Turkish press

  • 38 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:22 PM

    Im so confused at the moment looking at these posts lol.

  • 39 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:23 PM

    Wwsbrd

    That’s what insurance is for

  • 40 scottoon // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:25 PM

    Of course, it could also be the 100K per week.

  • 41 sparky55 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:26 PM

    cheers OP…didn’t think it needed saying really but thanks anyway

  • 42 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:26 PM

    Young magpie

    You’ll get used to it. Just carry on posting football queries/observations/opinions and you’ll do fine

  • 43 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:28 PM

    We’ve just got rid of one plank from the Ukrainian league
    Is he that good?

  • 44 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:28 PM

    Sparky

    When I said insurance several current squad members flashed before my eyes.

  • 45 Belfast // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:29 PM

    Bullshit! Never going to happen.

  • 46 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:30 PM

    So welsh has a new colour border

    Is he a fake welsh?

  • 47 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:30 PM

    166Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:24 PM

    Negatron
    You seem to be saying you don’t know much and nobody can know much and therefore harsh criticism of Carr is unwarranted because he could largely be blameless if the true facts were known. I see you haven’t attempted to answer my questions. Perhaps, you don’t know how to. I also note you don’t know my stance on Ashley and have got it wrong.

    To answer you, the buck stops with Ashley IMO. He knows nothing about football, put together a dog’s breakfast of a set up, and appointed the wrong men to fill the posts he created. He doesn’t care enough about the club to run it as the fans would rightly expect it to be run.

    My arguments against the anti-Ashley brigade are simply that he’s not as bad as our previous owners. Even if the fans owned the club, they’d have to make profits and therefore run the club along similar lines. Ashley is portrayed as the devil and all his works as satanic. Misinformation is peddled in order to traduce him. When the truth is bad enough, there’s no need to make stuff up.

    AO want rid but have no plan because they’ve got no one to take over. There’s no point in supporting just any old buyer, who could be 10 times worse. And relegation, which is what some so called fans wanted, (you?) wouldn’t have achieved anything other than to set the club back years.

    Ashley has recognised he’s made errors and the new set up looks much better. But it still doesn’t look great and IMO incompetent personnel remain in charge. But give them a chance for gods’ sakes. It’s unrealistic to expect instant signings. They’ve wasted enough money in the past by overpaying for bum players. Let them take their time to negotiate and see what they come up with. I might be pleasantly surprised, but I doubt it. Perhaps that’s Scottoon’s point. Let see what happens under the new set up. If so, I agree with him.

  • 48 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:30 PM

    Tiote off?
    https://nufcdigest.wordpress.com/2015/06/23/trabzonspor-in-talks-with-newcastle-united-midfielder-cheick-tiote/

  • 49 welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:30 PM

    Some clown is using my name.

  • 50 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:30 PM

    To go with the fake jib

  • 51 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:31 PM

    Op sparky

    Don’t know how true this was but I’m sure there was a rumour going round that when John Barnes played for Liverpool, his insurance policy was so good that he go more money per week if he was injured than what he did when he played.

  • 52 welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:31 PM

    Here we go again, round 8

  • 53 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:32 PM

    op
    True but what if he comes back, plays again but isnt the same player, insurance wise aint gonna pay out, hes back playing

    Player wise u arent going to get 15mill for him anymore

  • 54 Belfast // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:35 PM

    Well it looks like those emails to Ed really worked folks lol

  • 55 welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:36 PM

    Belfast

    Looks like Welshies sheep is back then.

    Ffs

  • 56 sparky55 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:37 PM

    OP / POOTLE

    No doubt there’s several players in our squad worth more knackered than they are fully that’s for sure…which is pretty much what OP was eluding to

    one man with a gun with a contract on 5 knee caps could make us a fortune.

    hang on a second…is that why we’ve got so many injured players at the minute????…is the fat b@st@rd milking our insurance plans 🙂

  • 57 welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:38 PM

    How can ed let 2 people have the same pissing name.

    Remember guys the real welshie is red the other clown is not even Welsh.

  • 58 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:40 PM

    Welsh I’m on desktop so gonna have trouble telling who’s who. this is a bloody joke

  • 59 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:40 PM

    Ok… Two welshgeordie9’s?

    I think i know what you mean now WWSBRD.

  • 60 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:41 PM

    Sparky

    That’s a different viewpoint I must say!
    Don’t quite think he’s a master criminal, kingpin of a huge insurance scam based on premiership players.

    But you never know………….

  • 61 scottoon // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:42 PM

    Blackley – it is close to my point to be fair although my tolerance is waning quickly. I need some evidence that the new setup can bear fruit rather than just holding the promise of bearing fruit. In my view that means a real show of intent…..even if it means paying over the odds…..a loss leader if you will.

    Unfortunately, my skepticism tends to get the best of me on this point.

  • 62 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:44 PM

    YoungMagpie
    Welcome to the fun buddy haha

  • 63 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:45 PM

    WWSBRD

    Sorry to go off topic, it just I’ve been wracking my brains the last couple of days trying to work out what it stands for.
    I’m hoping it’s What Would Sir Bobby Robson Do
    otherwise I’ve just made a bit of a t1t of myself

  • 64 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:45 PM

    Someone correctly identified Joe Joyce as head of the academy. The academy needs s complete shake up and new leadership IMO.

  • 65 Riviere Run Dry // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:45 PM

    JFA, with your face like a giant raisin.

  • 66 welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:47 PM

    Someone email ed and ban this clown.

  • 67 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:48 PM

    Remember Andriy Shevchenko
    Chelsea 50 games 9 goals
    This kid would be better going to Serie A

  • 68 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:49 PM

    Why are people making multiple accounts? Surely thats a waste of time, especially with hurtful intent.

  • 69 welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:50 PM

    Someone email Ed and ban this clown.

    I’m too chicken shit to do it myself

  • 70 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:50 PM

    Young magpie

    Your guess is as good as mine kid

  • 71 scottoon // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:51 PM

    YMFB – internet trolls with nothing better to do. Sad, as it drags an interesting forum down with malicious and distasteful content.

  • 72 welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:52 PM

    You are a sad liitle boy, get a life.

    Ffs.

  • 73 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:53 PM

    Scottoon
    We’ll find out soon enough ,its time to get someone over the line NOW

  • 74 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    Flappy

    Sorry I missed your question but you still didn’t answer mine why have you changed your mind on Ashley?

    You denied the club had made profit in last 4 years until recently , then you denied saying that. You’ve happily made out that all mistakes where others fault and not Ashley’s until recently.

    It’s your opinion that some of the things said about Ashley are untrue, you may argue others had no proof but neither do you.

    So by your answers I can only come to the conclusion you like to argue.

    You may enjoy living in the past and pointing at previous owners to make the current one look better, that sort of thinking is pathetic at best.

    The only flappy bird on this blog is you, who tries to pidgeon hole everyone into having some ilogical vendetta against Ashley, completley dismissing any points they have made.

    I’m not really fussed about continuing this conversation because in your mind yours is the only opinion that holds water.

  • 75 Our Toon // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    Just ignore the imposter….they’ll soon get bored and try something else. The more replies the longer it goes on

  • 76 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    Well it’s a good thing TFL and I got on the email blower hot line thingy to Ed to deal with these multiple posting trolls otherwise we’d be awash with….. oh……wait.

    OK Belfast you told me so, but I did at least try. It might even be Ed boosting his traffic stats! 🙂

  • 77 scottoon // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:55 PM

    mick – Agreed. Should have had something lined up ages ago in truth. The fact that there are so many rumours of players rejecting us is very worrying.

  • 78 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:57 PM

    What’s a good thing?

  • 79 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:57 PM

    Anyway, selling Cisse would be very naive, he was our top scorer last season with only 22 appearences with a lot of those being sub-appearences. It seems like he is still in his prime and now with his knee sorted out we could see his best season with us. Fingers crossed.

    He just needs to cut out the suspensions from his game.

  • 80 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:58 PM

    Sorry read it wrong, yh it seems Belfast was correct

  • 81 welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:59 PM

    Our Toon

    It’s hard when you have got to defend yourself, nothing like this as never happend before to anyone, looks like I’m the first.

  • 82 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:01 PM

    According to Carver there was a list of players that blow our minds
    What happened?
    Why are players rejecting us ,bad name or is it low wages ,I’m hoping it’s the wages part ,that’s easier to fix,if fatty has the will

  • 83 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:01 PM

    Still I’ve sent another mail to the Big Cheese, Grand Fromage, El Numero Uno, The Big Kahuna, Top Dog, El Generale, Ed.

  • 84 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:03 PM

    Anyone can make a player list that’ll blow your mind, just ask Ketsy. Try getting them, now there’s a trick I’d like to see.

  • 85 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:04 PM

    I don’t beleive in coincedence and if I’m wrong fair enough

    I find it a bit to suss that Jib who people think is Jeff had his account hacked now it’s his girlfriend welshies turn.

    Why not hack me or JFA Tuff or Blackley?

  • 86 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:04 PM

    Tsunk

    Didn’t realise that many people ran the blog. 😉

  • 87 Lost Plot // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:05 PM

    Here he is in action ,,, we gotta get him … AND build around him!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGAHZAXlvQ4

  • 88 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:05 PM

    Chicka Chicka Slim Shadeeee….

  • 89 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:06 PM

    Tsunki* how rude of me.

  • 90 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:06 PM

    Negatron
    I haven’t changed my mind on Ashley. Quote me. He’s doing okay financially IMO. He has no clue on the football side.

    As for me denying profits in the last 4 years, you will not be able to find me saying that. We had that all out and I invite you to re-post my response to your silly accusations.

  • 91 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:07 PM

    Il Presidente, The Big Boss, His Majesty…….

  • 92 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:08 PM

    Youngmagpie- I’ve had worse.

  • 93 welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:09 PM

    Optimistic

    Go and do something useful like play with your dolls, ffs.

    I remember that if someone tries to be you, then we will see if you get pissed off or not.

  • 94 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:12 PM

    If Tiote goes who are we gonna replace him with?

  • 95 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:15 PM

    I’d just say once it wasn’t me and most people would see that it wasn’t.

    You protest a tad to much, plus that sort of thing is right up your street.

    Boy who shouted wolf springs to mind

  • 96 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:16 PM

    B+B
    Surely the reason he does well financially is the same reason he’s bad at the football side of things
    Will not pay up for good players !

  • 97 Belfast // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:19 PM

    Well I did tell you it was a waste of time.

  • 98 croftus5678 // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:21 PM

    tiote is all ready replaced with abied / sissoko / colback / anita !

    no need for another there imo better off with a winger/striker or cb.

  • 99 Our Toon // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:22 PM

    Croftus

    Tiote is not replaced by any of those because they aren’t ball winners.

  • 100 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:23 PM

    Our Toon
    You beat me to the punch, I was just gonna say that

  • 101 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:24 PM

    Blackley

    I can’t be arsed having the same pointless arguments with you.

    I’d bet there’s not many would agree with you on the finances all told!

  • 102 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:25 PM

    Pootle
    Indeed u are correct sir
    Started off as WWJBD (Barton) then he left so went to WWYCD (Cabaye which is why a few refer to me as Yo) but then I got fed up of Ashley flogging my handles so went with a NUFC legend he cant ruin

  • 103 croftus5678 // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:26 PM

    our toon

    they all break up play and win tackles and the ball back !

    just cos they dont get a booking or sent off every other game doesnt meant they are not effective.

    i’m sure someone who can get stats can back that up esp on colback and sissoko pre nufc.

  • 104 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:28 PM

    Sir Bobby must be turning in his grave the way his beloved club is being run

  • 105 Thump // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:29 PM

    @mickalfas: In all fairness, he was spinning when he was here at the way the club was being run. Mismanagement is nothing new to NUFC.

  • 106 welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:29 PM

    Where can I buy a Swansea shirt?

  • 107 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:31 PM

    Our toon

    I agree, tiote does not have a ready made replacement, the closest to his style is abeid however abeid is better in a more advanced role, if you look at his stats from when he was on loan at panath- whatever that greek team was called. My main criticism with tiote is that he doesnt release the ball quick enough although partnered with Anita would be good for him since anita is a ball playing midfielder. Have we tried that partnership?

  • 108 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:31 PM

    Mickalfas
    Any owner has to make a profit in order to buy players, unless they want to borrow money and mortgage the future to do so. I don’t trust this bunch of incompetents to buy players so I certainly wouldn’t want to see them borrowing at the expense of the fans of the future. So I’d like to see every NUFC owner make a profit first and then use that to invest in players second. Unless some billionaire wants to spend his own money and the rules will permit him to.

  • 109 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:31 PM

    The only part of the finance that is better than 8yr ago is the tv money.

    The only reason we’ve survived his distruction of our revenue sources is he buys cheap and pays peanuts.

    We’re practicaly zero on out lays for players since he took over.

    You can only buy with what you make from sales, that’s why there’s money in the bank and we’re in the shit.

  • 110 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:33 PM

    Agreed but it seems to get worse every year ,more money and less investment

  • 111 lochinvar // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:34 PM

    What will we sing from the terraces ?

    Una paloma blanco
    I’m just a bird in the sky
    Una Konoplyanka
    Over the mountains I fly
    No one can take my freedom away

  • 112 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:36 PM

    Croftus

    Gotta admit, I’d side with you as far as colback goes. For me, jury is out on abeid, yes he did well in the few games he played but I’d need to see him have a full season before passing judgement. Sissoko on the other hand, I honestly don’t know what to think. Some games he’s unplayable, unstoppable and doesn’t put much of a foot wrong. Unfortunately, the next game he can look like he’s just been picked from a pubs B team. I’m just at a loss as far as sissoko goes.

  • 113 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:38 PM

    B+B
    Agreed ,so why can’t he pay for the advertising if its all about business
    It’ll come off the tax bill for shite direct
    And we’ll have the advertising money to invest
    It would make no difference to fatty as its all his anyway

  • 114 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:39 PM

    Blackley

    I sort of agree with you on only spending profit.

    However with fat mike he’s restricted the revenue streams which should be the clubs profit.

    Free ads, out sourcing the refreshments, SD merchandising.

    The first two we definatley know he had his fingers in, £10m plus a season minimum he’s stopping the club from making.

  • 115 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:40 PM

    Fong welshie! Fong him I say!!!

  • 116 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:40 PM

    I take it the green welshgeordie9 is the fake one. Otherwise, id love for you to explain why he is a great owner…

  • 117 welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:42 PM

    YoungMagpie

    He saved the club from ruin and he’s got a plan to make us great again

  • 118 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:44 PM

    Fong Lovehen Whataplanka! He’s a greedy git! Pay him in zlotties! Harrumph.

  • 119 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:44 PM

    I’m a bit lost with these financial figures that have been released. The figures say we’ve made a “pre tax” profit of X millions. Analysts say we’re one of the few EPL teams who are “self sufficient” yet we have an outstanding debt that is (I believe) 5th highest in the premiership at approximately £129M. Please can someone explain how we’re self sufficient and in profit if the debt is that high?

  • 120 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:44 PM

    Op
    Does he take all the profit off shirt sales
    He’s taking the piss ffs
    I did not know that

  • 121 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:45 PM

    Lovehen will go to a club willing to pay huge wages. West Ham comes to mind once they’re rid of Carroll.

  • 122 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:46 PM

    Yes Pootle mate that is correct. We’re in the black but up to our eyeballs in debt at the same time. Beautiful isn’t it?

  • 123 Our Toon // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:47 PM

    Croftus

    There’s this daft myth about Tiote and red cards I don’t understand where it comes from. You can count on 1 hand how many times he’s been sent off for us. I can think of the Sunderland game and an FA Cup game off the top of my head….not any others unless you can enlighten me on this.

    As for bookings colback ended with 13, 14 bookings last season missed 3 games through suspension. There’s a reason why Hodgson called colback the ginger pirlo, he ls a ball playing midfielder who likes to press, not a tough tackler who protects the back 4. Big difference

    Abeid looks like he prefers to play further up the pitch, Sissoko is lazy defensively and prefers being higher up, Anita showed how important a DM is with his performance against WH, that’s what we have missed unfortunately he gets out battled often so isn’t good enough for that role.

    Arsenal have plenty of midfielders who do the role of colback but it took a “ball winner” in Coquelin to protect the back 4 properly. Tiote and Colback are completely different players and he different attributes!! Colback is not a ball winner

  • 124 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:50 PM

    Mick

    There’s payments to SD but like lots of things no one knows why.
    If you buy from club shop it’s a SD address on the receipt, it doesn’t look good.

  • 125 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:51 PM

    That’s very observant of you Our Toon @128. Tiote tends to be injury prone with his style of play as well. We definitely need a couple of decent “real” wingers but will Ashley foot the bill? Not likely. McLaren will have to do with Gouffy and possibly one young incoming cheapie.

  • 126 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:53 PM

    Fatty hasn’t been paying himself back from the club’s profits. You have to ask yourself why? My guess is he has a way of writing off some of his taxes that way. He certainly gets all his advertising at the ground for free as well. Who knows what that’s worth.

  • 127 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:53 PM

    With the money we know of from last summer, the money we made this summer and the huge tv money over the next 5 or so years, I see no reason the loan shouldn’t be paid back ASAP

  • 128 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:53 PM

    We need a proper ball winner and a couple of wingers

  • 129 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:54 PM

    Pootle
    Not 100% but the debt on the club has been there since fatty arrived with his generous loan ,with no interest
    The debt will always be there till he goes as it somehow help to minimise his tax
    Self sufficient will mean that we do not increase the debt every year ,we break even or make a profit

  • 130 welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:54 PM

    clown is still on here then.

  • 131 stestickle // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:57 PM

    This is defo the type of player we need if we do sign bas dost

  • 132 croftus5678 // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:58 PM

    @128 our toon

    i thought i’d have to prove myself at some point !

    http://www.whoscored.com/Players/69867/Show/Jack-Colback

    you can compare all the players on there ! you are correct by 0.2% per game for tackles and blocks but discalin colback wins hands down and add the fact of that 0.2% the 4 goals and 6 assists colback has that tiote over the same games on that % rate wouldnt have got.

  • 133 welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:58 PM

    JFA, with a face like a squashed hedgehog

  • 134 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:01 PM

    TfL
    I’d say we need a decent, ball winning, vocal CB and at least one 15-20+ striker before any other positions are looked at.

  • 135 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:01 PM

    Fatty probably pays the same tax as one of his employees in SD
    Keep expanding ,buying stuff ,tax write off
    The shirt sales is a piss take ,us fans take for granted that when you buy your shirt its benefitting NUFC ,apparently not so

  • 136 Jail for Ashley // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:07 PM

    Surely faking somebody else’s name cant be as simple as putting spaces before said name which then don’t show up here.

  • 137 stestickle // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:08 PM

    Would like to see Colo in the ball winning role think he might suit that position as my biggest problem with him at cb is when he goes on one of his wonders from his position closing down when he should keeping the line tight and organised

  • 138 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:09 PM

    Negatron
    We’re not making enough profit to pay down the debt AND buy the quality players we need; it’s one or the other. If Ashley didn’t give the loan interest free, we’d be paying a massive amount of interest at a commercial rate.

    The amount that we forego in advertising revenues is small beer in comparison; it’s greatly exaggerated. You won’t agree because it doesn’t suit your agenda, so we might as well leave it at that.

    I’m not here to run over old arguments with you. I posted my views on Ashley just to show that it hasn’t changed since coming on this blog. It has been consistent, despite what you say. If you’d like to bring up an old quote that contradicts my current stance, please do.

  • 139 Our Toon // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:11 PM

    Croftus

    What stats don’t tell you is how many times an opposing player plays a poor pass when Tiote is sitting in front of the back 4. How many of Colbacks challanges were won near his own box? From what I remember young Jack loves to press the opposition especially high up the pitch, when he does that how is the back 4 protected?

    Stats don’t tell you everything you need to know, best example is Cabella created the most chances out of any player in the league during 1st half of the season!!

  • 140 Jail for Ashley // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:12 PM

    I would like to see Collo on the tarmac at the airport waving us goodbye and a fresh start made, he has no sell on value, doesn’t want to be here and is captain and kingpin of a defence that has leaked 60 goals a year for the last three years. If we’re having a fresh start we need to give Janmaat or Tiote the captaincy with new improved deals to keep them here for a long time.

  • 141 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM

    Flappy

    If Ashley had left the loan payments in place it would have been paid off this year. The money he took away stopped this loan being paid off and his mismanagement in getting us relegated put us more in debt.

    Gloss it any way you like but you’re talking bollocks as usual.

    The finances are a sham

  • 142 Jail for Ashley // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:14 PM

    Does any know how the W Ham owners plan to pay off their debt with a stuctured plan by 2020.

  • 143 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:16 PM

    Do you guys not think we are being unrealistic when we say we need a 15-20 goals a season striker? I would understand that if we had an ambitious owner, but unfortunately we dont.

    I believe that we already have a 15-20 goals a season striker, and that man is Cisse. He got 11 goals last season and played around just over half the season. Imagine if he played every game, surely he would achieve around that amount of 15-20 and thats with the team that we had which hardly created anything. I think we under estimate him a litte bit. First, we need to sort the defence out, THEN we need to buy players that will create more chances for Cisse. Then we will have our 15-20 goal striker.

  • 144 Our Toon // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:21 PM

    I do agree we need a proper ball winning midfielder who can replace Tiote or Anita but I’d rather have them in first before we sell

  • 145 croftus5678 // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:21 PM

    @146 our toon

    but…it shows his playing positions and where he does the majority of his work which is the same as tiote’s.

    he presses in dm/cm thats not really high up the pitch tbh and pretty much the same as tiote ! yes if he’s trying to force the team on as when he scored last season due to no one else being bothered to do anything (which is the instance i guess your getting at) where he was closing down high up the pitch then obv he aint gonna run all the way back ignoring the players with the ball close to him !

    i’d rather we won the ball in their half then in our own half.

  • 146 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:23 PM

    Blackey

    Surely by not taking a slight but calculated risk in buying better players, we are locking ourselves in a viscous circle. Better players mean (probably) higher league position which in turn leads to more profit.
    Therefore, if we spend and get players to get us to, and maintain a p8-10 slot for 2-3 years, we’ll have made enough profit to cover the transfers and wages AND have left over profit to either pay some debt off of try and get players to take us to p6-8 and raise even more money to do the same. If we could get to the stage of consistantly finishing p6-8 we could follow arsenals example and lump cash off the debt. Refresh the squad as and when needed to maintain said positions until the debt is gone.
    Or is this the view of a delusional old Geordie who has ideas that has ideas only fit for blogs and fantasy football games?

  • 147 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:24 PM

    Sorry, that’s meant to be

    Blackey and OP

  • 148 croftus5678 // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:26 PM

    @150 young

    i agree with you on cisse however i think we need more as our midfielders and defenders are not chipping in with enough to sustain just 1 15goal striker imo.

    i have secret hopes for rolando but obv thats mostly hope as he’s very untested and i reckon siem would chip in with cabaye’s share if he could stay fit all season.

    if our defence was decent and we didnt concede a lot we wouldnt need to score all that many though ! a nice balance is whats needed.

  • 149 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:26 PM

    Hmmmm

    “has ideas that has ideas”! Maybe I am delusional….. or maybe I should proof read before posting

  • 150 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:30 PM

    Negatron
    OMG. The loan would be paid off by now?

    We were paying a very high rate of interest on a massive debt. We had little capacity for further borrowing, because we were mortgaged almost to the hilt based on securitisation arrangement. We weren’t going to make a profit to invest in players.

    Where would we have got the money to buy players to keep us in the top flight? Many of the players who took us down were duds bought by the previous regime. If Shepherd had stayed, it is highly likely we’d have gone down.

    Your argument that the debt would be paid off by now assumes Shepherd would be immune from relegation. You should look at not what I am saying but at what Brewin Dolphin said about it.

  • 151 Our Toon // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:32 PM

    Burnley mag

    Cisse will have a good season if he stays, think SDJ if fit for long periods can get double figures as can ayoze. We just need to be more adventurous in our approach which hopefully we will be this season

  • 152 Our Toon // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:35 PM

    Croftus

    I’d prefer winning the ball in the opposing half as well but you miss the point I’m making mate. Under pardew and carver we have never been a pressing team so when jack is off chasing the ball like a dog in the park he leaves huge gaps in behind that get exploited. However if we pressed as a team which we don’t do and haven’t done under pards or Carver than Colback would be more effective.

    You can’t have 1 player pressing whilst the rest watch it just doesn’t work. That is why the back 4 is exposed so badly

  • 153 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:37 PM

    Pootle
    We use what money we have to buy mediocre players and overpay for them. We should buy fewer players but of more quality.

    Old man Carr is largely responsible for identifying and valuing the maximum price to be paid for players. His record is poor.

  • 154 welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:38 PM

    What is it with slagging Carr off the comedians dad has done a bloody good job

  • 155 Jail for Ashley // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:39 PM

    Young Magpie,
    Not unrealistic at all, we already have one ‘in the building’ Cisse is more than capable of fifteen goals given the right service, personally I think he would like to stay but the regime can’t offer him a new deal because the computer says no. Somebody came up with the ridiculous theory earlier that we begged him to stay in January.

  • 156 Our Toon // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:41 PM

    Chelsea can press as a team but the person who protects there back 4 is Matic and what a player he is, doesn’t score often doesn’t get many assists but he stops plenty of attacks, the others around him press

    Coquelin is Arsenals protector sits in front of the back 4 whilst the others express themselves, doesn’t score but makes sure the opposition don’t either

    Fernando or Fernandinho for citeh same principles as the others.

    At Spurs Mason is more adventurous whilst bentleb sits in and protects the back 4

    Schniderlin or Wanyama for Southampton.

    All these players are ball winners, the first thing on there mind is to stop goals or sit in and protect the back 4. Colback is more like box to box, wants to get involved up the field as often as he defends but he won’t sit in, he will chase after the ball like he did with hazard which led to the goal at SJP.

  • 157 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:42 PM

    Our Toon

    I agree that we need to be more adventurous but imo Cisse would be best as an impact sub. I also agree that if SDJ stays fit, the teams scoring and assist figures will be generously raised. However, I do think we need to adapt our formation to coincide with the changes other teams have made. I personally would love to see us try a 3-2-4-1 formation with the 4 being comfortable enough to float between the positions throughout the game

  • 158 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:44 PM

    Ok, i agree about needing more players that contribute to goals, although, if De Jong stays fit for a whole season with Cisse, and perez into his second season we could be in for a good season. As long as we sign good defenders and more creative players we will be fine next season.

  • 159 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:47 PM

    I think the club are hoping that Cisse and Siem and maybe Aarons are going to have an injury free season. Thats what my fear is, that they dont invest as much because these are like new signings. Its a bad mentality which hasnt helped us out much these past years.

  • 160 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:47 PM

    Floppy or should I say mug

    It’s funny you ignore any evidence presented from any other source but if it’s from Ashley it’s gospel!

    Bore off

  • 161 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:48 PM

    Mug

    Hie many times did they get us relegated?

    Basing your argument on what if
    Hahaha

  • 162 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:50 PM

    the waiting is agony

  • 163 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:54 PM

    Blackey

    That’s what I was getting at, instead of buying mediocre players, take a punt in spending a bit more on players with the quality to move up and maintain the higher league position. The extra money generated from the higher league position would cover said players wages and fees as well as EITHER pay of some of the debt or buy players of an even better quality to get us up to and maintain European places. We’re never gonna break into the top 4 unless we’re either debt free or we get there step by step. Either way, I’d say realistically we’re looking at 5-6 years to get a squad together to keep us at the European places level then say, if the tv money stays level or goess up, another 3-4 years to be debt free. Surely as a businessman, FCW must see that success on the pitch means much more money coming in than buying low and hopefully selling high (and maintaining EPL status of course)
    Like I say, this is just my opinion and I’m sure most of the other posters on here will have there own.

  • 164 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:55 PM

    Watching videos of Thauvin who we are rumoured to be signing he does not look any better than say a British winger like Lindegard or Ince to be honest !

    I hope we get some signings on this plane for USA next week

  • 165 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:56 PM

    Ok folks, time for me to disappear for a bit and do my daily physio excercises.

    Play nice guys and gals and I’ll catch up with you later

  • 166 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 8:58 PM

    Have fun pootle 😀

  • 167 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:02 PM

    Negatron

    You say, “It’s funny you ignore any evidence presented from any other source but if it’s from Ashley it’s gospel!”

    You have to be the dippiest flappy bird in the tree. Where have I given evidence from Ashley? I suggested you look at what Brewin Dolphin said.

    The last regime had us avoiding relegation because they were borrowing to the limit. But the writing was on the wall.

  • 168 Our Toon // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:08 PM

    Pootle

    Cisse got 11 goals in 22 games last season, for me the longer he’s on the pitch the more likely he is to get more goals.

  • 169 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:13 PM

    Thauvin bid rejected
    https://nufcdigest.wordpress.com/2015/06/23/newcastles-10-7m-bid-for-florian-thauvin-is-rejected/

  • 170 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:16 PM

    Pootle
    I agree. But I’m blaming Carr for the shit picks. He has so much clout at the club. Percy was expected to work with what the regime gave him, even if he was allowed a say at the table.

    Nobody wants to answer this. How can Charnley buy any players without Carr’s list? How can he negotiate a fee without Carr’s own valuation? If Carr is not valuing players, who is? Of course, Charnley can try to pay under the odds and not get his man. But he needs to know what his footballing people consider is the maximum to pay and who is the priority from the budget. How can Charnley do that himself? If we are getting players in, you can’t imagine it’s because Charnley has gone above NUFC’s valuation, can you?

    The only conclusion I can come to is that Carr has some shit picks on his list and he is prepared to pay over the odds for them. At the end of the day, Carr is being judged on these players. He should stand up, grow some balls and keep his list in his underpants if need be. Because it’s holding the club back. If he wants to take the money, he should take the flak that comes with it.

  • 171 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:23 PM

    TFL

    I dont think Thauvin would be a good signing to be honest. Seems like another Cabella.

  • 172 jazzyp // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:23 PM

    Hahahaha dost being told not to come to Nufc and the coach belittling our good name. Seem to remember Montpellier doing the same thing this time last year with cabella

  • 173 Thump // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:28 PM

    £18m for Thauvin? Marseille are off their nut.

  • 174 Belfast // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:30 PM

    Some dodgy shite going on at the moment on here like. Lots of skullduggery going on. People having chats with themselves at times. Few heedcases about.

  • 175 jazzyp // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:32 PM

    Thump

    For 18mill mate that would bring us Cabaye and Ba back to the club……No brainer !!

  • 176 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:32 PM

    Belfast are all the nutters about because it’s summer?

  • 177 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:33 PM

    We need to sign defenders first, im right for it going to the last week of the window with no defenders signed because we have been haggling over fees for attacking players.

  • 178 Belfast // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:35 PM

    He’s right though Jazzy. Why would he leave when they’re in the champions league next year ? I would rather sign Austin myself. This Dost bloke could be hit or miss.

  • 179 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:35 PM

    Mug

    Where is your evidence that the Halls didn’t have other finance options?

    So the benifit to the club is we don’t pay extortionate Intrest?
    What would you call 8yrs of free advertising at around £10m a season?
    Fair Intrest on not paying the loan off?

    How would you feel If you owed me money and I stayed in your house for 8yrs but the loan never dropped?
    Happy?

    You’ll happily beleive a man who’s been proven a liar in court more than once, and stretch that argument to say we’d have gone done under Halls.

    You obviously make it up.

    Your whinging of being abused by myself and jail this morning showed you for the pathetic man you are, you come on to try and belittle people and cause arguments. Derogatory names etc on a daily basis then cry about receiving it today, boo hoo.

    Don’t bother I’m not interested.
    I’d rather talk to welshies sheep I’d get a more balanced and sensible discussion.

  • 180 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:38 PM

    Jazzy

    When I read about dost, Cabella came to mind also.
    Then it was jeez no one at other clubs likes us

  • 181 jazzyp // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:45 PM

    Belfast

    He’s bang on and you cannot really argue with his comments bud. but if that’s the scenario we face then any decent prospect wont touch us with a barge poll.
    And what the Fcuck is it with all the muppets on here at the moment. then again it was the same last summer !!

  • 182 toon22 // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:47 PM

    The proof will be in the pudding after the season starts,we and everyone else will be able to see plain and simple what MAs intentions are.

    Imho a lepard dont change its spots,he will milk every penny he can while passing the buck where ever.Lets hope Rangers get promoted next season to give us a glimmer of hope the fat bstard does one as sells.

    MA OOUUTT

  • 183 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:47 PM

    Newcastle now 4/7 to sign Austin
    https://nufcdigest.wordpress.com/2015/06/23/sky-bet-newcastle-now-47-to-sign-charlie-austin/

    Really hope we sign this lad

  • 184 jazzyp // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:48 PM

    OP
    I don’t think anyone likes the way we conduct our transfer business by continually offering insulting and derisory bids for there players.

  • 185 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:48 PM

    Maybe we could get this blog split up in two factions 😉

  • 186 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:51 PM

    Two factions Jesper?

  • 187 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:51 PM

    K

  • 188 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:53 PM

    Jazzy

    It looks like our name is mud.

    It will be until the slug is gone

  • 189 overtheline // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:53 PM

    “Any owner has to make a profit in order to buy players, unless they want to borrow money and mortgage the future to do so.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/29/premier-league-finances-club-by-club

    If this statement were true and accepted business practice – which it is most definitely not – then you’d assume that clubs would only invest in proportion to their profits. If you check out the EPL clubs there is absolutely no link between profit generated and level of spending on players.

    The way investment works is like this. A business borrows money and invests it in whatever activity it is pursuing. This investment generates revenue. This is the capitalist model under which we live. A proportion of the revenue covers costs – including depreciation and the cost of the borrowing and the rest is profit. Depreciation is the amount set aside against loss of value in equipment etc., – including players who may depreciate in value with age, or as their contracts wind down.

    As long as the revenue generated with all the other costs exceeds or equals the outgoings – then the investment is worthwhile. The difference is profit. Of course investment can also increase the value of the business – capital growth and this capital growth is an alternative motivation for borrowing to spend.

    A club like Chelski has a high capital value in the team which increases the value of the club. and generates high hopes of on field success. This is not the Toon model.

    A club like Manure invests to increase turnover through on field success – even after their massive debts have been paid down. (They also need to maintain the capital value of the business) This is not the Toon model.

    A club like the Toon doesn’t invest for on field success and doesn’t invest to increase the capital value of the business. Instead we have a player trading model which neither generates on field success or an increase in the value of the club. Makes you wonder WTF is the point.

  • 190 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:57 PM

    http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/06/further-proof-why-mike-ashley-isnt-leaving-newcastle-united/

    Ashley out

  • 191 jazzyp // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:57 PM

    OP

    do you still think we wont sign much this summer or just enough to scrape by ??
    Yesterday I actually harboured hope that there was genuine interest and we were going for it with mentioned players. today however is back down to reality with all players seemingly turning us down

  • 192 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 9:58 PM

    I’m back for a bit.

    Young magpie – thanks but physio exercises are no fun…too painful to be.

    Blackey – fair point mate. However, without either more research/inside information/internal leak, I could only speculate on how much influence GC has. Maybe you’re right or maybe he has (or had) a remit from FCW that he needed to scout players within a certain budget. I will, however, say that in my opinion the buck has stopped with FCW, because at the end of the day he’s the one that said yay or nay not GC. How can a scout decide how to spend the owners cash when the owner has total control on the purse strings. That would lead me to believe that GC was asked by the silver fox to scout players X but told by FCW to scout players who could possibly do the job but at half the price.

    TfL and Belfast

    Check out my post #23 with regards to your #183 & #185

  • 193 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM

    TFL…yes two separate factions! We clearly don’t get along and this place is getting intolerable!

  • 194 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:02 PM

    Pmsl Pootle

  • 195 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:03 PM

    hmm Jesper it’s just the idiots, wums and trolls that need banning and then we could have some decent conversations

  • 196 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:05 PM

    mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 7:28 PM

    Sir Bobby must be turning in his grave the way his beloved club is being run

    Do be brief you tossa

    It was whining idiots like you that cowed Fat Freddy into sacking SBR

    So it goes on – whinging know nowts – giving blogland the benefit of their great knowledge

    Aaarrrggghhhh we have a great club and a huge section of knobheads spouting crap.
    The Mag what a joke !!!!!

  • 197 willowdalerez // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:06 PM

    Young Magpie

    @151 – Cisse has a bad knee (the type of injury that never really goes away) and can go down at anytime which is why he was a key sub so often last year… On top of that at 30 he won’t be able to maintain pace if he plays too many minutes. We need a striker who is healthy and fit… I would like us to hang onto Cisse to play the key sub if we are down and need a lift but looks like we may sell him. Perez is not ready to be a go to striker (but may become one) so I am all for buying striker now.

    @186 – We desperately need goals and a consistent goal threat… after that a CB but we need an offensive punch first because without it you are just going to play same old longball because no team is going to ease up the pressure if they aren’t afraid of your counterattack (which was half our problem last season) so they will push men up and even a good defensive line will have to boot the bull up field if they have no space or time for creativity.

  • 198 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:08 PM

    is this the wum jib or real jib#?

  • 199 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:09 PM

    Welshie
    You crouch behind OP
    I’ll push him over
    Then we’ll give him a good kocking

  • 200 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:09 PM

    Jazzy

    I can’t see there being any significant difference to previous years.

    I’d say

    2purples
    2/3 potential
    2/3 for development
    2 loans

    And the Forrest lads will be included in that list, with the possibility of a similar loan deal for incoming youngsters.

    Same old same old.

    I don’t see Austin as progression on the type of signings we’ve been trying to get since Ashley took over. In reality we’re only looking at him as he’s the cheapest option for a EPL striker, even if he is only semi proven.

    I’d love to be proved wrong, yet nothing so far looks like the clubs changed tact.
    The situation with the press stinks, there’s no comunication from the club unless you count Schteeves pointless interviews.
    Can’t say the new board fill me with optimisim, looks half arsed to me.

    I have no choice but to wait see but I want Ashley out ASAP.

  • 201 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:10 PM

    lol
    kicking even

  • 202 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:11 PM

    rotflmao
    I may have gender issues

  • 203 Belfast // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:11 PM

    Well there’s certainly more than one, but at the moment one of them has about six accounts on the go.

  • 204 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:12 PM

    Jib as far as I can tell that isn’t the real Welsh, can’t even tell if you are the real jib

    ffs this is soooooo confusing

  • 205 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:13 PM

    So the real jib is talking to the fake welsh now, yeah right.

  • 206 NezzaNUFC // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:13 PM

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Sorry I couldn’t resist laughing when I looked at this article!

    This guy is the perfect winger in every way possible and your looking at maybe over 100k in wages.

    What stupid moron suggested he was linked with us?

    Maybe he should take over Lee Evans since he’s retired from stand up comedy!

  • 207 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:13 PM

    Ed tells me the doppelganger issue is resolved.
    It remains to be seen
    It was nice to have a minime

  • 208 NezzaNUFC // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:13 PM

    what’s a WUM?

  • 209 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:14 PM

    overtheline…No we don’t wonder! We don’t see the point either!

  • 210 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:15 PM

    Nezza WUM= Wind Up Merchant

  • 211 NezzaNUFC // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:15 PM

    Cheers TFL

  • 212 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:16 PM

    several rags linked us to Kopyawanka or whatever his name is

  • 213 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:16 PM

    Well it would serve Ed right if we all quit the blog for two weeks and Eds click through rate fell through the floor. He could do a lot more than he has to stop this identity cloning lark.

    Can’t help feeling sorry for the loon like, it must be a lonely life on his own with a carpet of space raiders packets and nothing else in life to do.

  • 214 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:16 PM

    …but the owner is making money! If money was his thing then clearly there’s a more profitable way of running it!

  • 215 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:17 PM

    several rags have linked him to us

  • 216 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:18 PM

    Tsunki
    sound like anyone you know? lol

  • 217 willowdalerez // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:19 PM

    I notice we have been linked to a lot of attacking winger midfielders (as opposed to strikers). Does anybody think that says something about the style of football McClaren wants to play or just who is considered as potentially available that might sign for us?

  • 218 NezzaNUFC // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:19 PM

    TFL

    I think everyone is linked with us mate lol

    I’m waiting for Bale, CR7 and Messi to get linked with us.

  • 219 welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:20 PM

    Tsunki with a face like a crushed smartie

  • 220 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:20 PM

    TFL I only buy branded crisps don’t you know

  • 221 Mr Magpie // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:20 PM

    We need to sort out our defence & forward line before we try bidding for wingers but when they do look at the wings Zakkaria Bakkali I think has now left Psv so is a free agent, is only 19 & in my opinion worth getting in.

  • 222 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:21 PM

    Nezza, just wish we’d sign some bugger though

  • 223 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:21 PM

    I like crushed smarties that’s nice of you.

  • 224 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:21 PM

    Tsunki
    I prefer McCoys tbh pmsl

  • 225 welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:21 PM

    Ffs why are these 2 clowns still on here.

  • 226 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:21 PM

    TFL…WUMs is in the eye of the beholder! We clearly have an issue here, but it runs deeper than that!

    …been here long enough to know that!

    There are two kind of people. Those who try an resolve problems and those who make matters worse!

  • 227 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:22 PM

    *are

  • 228 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:23 PM

    Willow it’s just a bit of basic journalistic observation second guessing McLaren’s style. Whoever we are after, if anyone for crying out loud, is going to be sprung on us.

  • 229 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:23 PM

    fair point jesper I know what you mean

  • 230 NezzaNUFC // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:23 PM

    TFL

    Not anytime soon mate, Newcastle are after Assman and coaches first and the rate Newcastle are going it could be about 2-3 weeks time when we actually approach players.

  • 231 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:24 PM

    Real Welsh, Jib is real (Unfortunatley)

  • 232 overtheline // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:25 PM

    willow

    maybe he’s going to play a no10, one in the hole, a faux 9 and a classic 10 all in the same side

  • 233 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:25 PM

    Nezza
    They re taking the piss

  • 234 willowdalerez // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:25 PM

    Don’t think we’ll sign Konoplyanka given his wage demands… Still trying to figure out why we are linked to so many wingers when have yet to settle our more pressing striker and CB issue.

  • 235 NezzaNUFC // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:26 PM

    The only player Newcastle have enquired about is Bas Dost though no formal bid has been given.

  • 236 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:26 PM

    Every player that we have a credible link to tells me that NUFC know exactly how the club wants to play under Supermac and it is exciting and is a postive movement into a new era comparable to King Kevs exciters but with a harder more durable edge that will win stuff rather than be a glorious also ran.

  • 237 welshgeordie9 // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:26 PM

    Jesper with a face like a Danish pastry

  • 238 NezzaNUFC // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:27 PM

    Willow

    Because we have 4 Strikers and 4 Defenders mate, don’t expect one or the other to come through unless we sell one or the other.

  • 239 NezzaNUFC // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:31 PM

    Jib

    SM must of not done his homework considering we still have Gouffran and Obertan and Willo and Collo.

    He may have only watched 1 game and it was with WHU!

    Supermac = Superdaft within 3 months when the season kicks off.

  • 240 Belfast // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:32 PM

    I know who it is the net is closing in. Give it up.

  • 241 geordie157 // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:34 PM

    Best signing of the window so far….Johannes Geis to Schalke and for about 8mill too.

  • 242 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:34 PM

    Supermac

    More like packermac, no brollies up here.

  • 243 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:34 PM

    We can only hope that, and don’t laugh, McLaren’s experience is having it’s presence felt behind the scenes with some serious consideration to the right players without having to operate to the tight fiscal policy that has helped balance the books short term, but jeopardising the long term stability of the club as a PL fixture. If he’s been given some clout as a member of the board, maybe some of the penny pinching will be realised as spoiling the ship for a ha’porth ‘o tar.

    I can only hope this pregnant pause in our transfer activity will yield some serious buys and a serious clear out to pave the way for a change in direction. One that will bring us back to bring perceived as a seriously stubborn place to visit and not the joke club floundering under a market traders greedy exploitation. If they knack this opportunity, Ashley truly can do one, no amount of interviews on camera or beautifully crafted accounts will ever justify him as owner of this club.

  • 244 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:35 PM

    I can’t be arsed to post the link again
    It got lost while my doppelganger was farting about
    In essence it was from a respected Dutch site that said Bas Dost has accepted our offer and Wolfsburg are really irritated cos they cannot understand a player opting for the EPL when he has the chance of the CL
    Well I can understand it
    The EPL is where its at – end of.

  • 245 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:35 PM

    Belfast

    Say who then

  • 246 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:35 PM

    OK Belfast who do you reckon?

  • 247 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:37 PM

    If EPL is best why haven’t the likes of Messi etc come here?

  • 248 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:37 PM

    Neezza
    You are going to look a right doofus by Xmas

  • 249 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:38 PM

    Tsunki
    Good post, can only hope you are correct

  • 250 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:39 PM

    Messi
    Tax
    Nada mas nada menos

  • 251 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:39 PM

    RRD and catches pet lip have been similar

  • 252 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:40 PM

    I’m using Messi as an example but many of the top players in the world haven’t graced the Premiership

  • 253 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:43 PM

    From the Guardian article posted earlier:

    There are two ways of looking at Newcastle’s financial picture. Mike Ashley would say it is incomparably healthier than the over-borrowed operation he took over in 2007; money was spent on wages, he has £129m loans interest-free which he did not reduce. Protesting fans see the £19m profit, £39m banked, and ubiquitous free Sports Direct advertising as evidence that Ashley sees the club as a cash cow.

    Newcastle maintain this is unfair and have promised to invest this summer – as well as appoint a manager. The figures show the money is there.

  • 254 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:43 PM

    TfL
    Givvus a list of all these world stars who have body swerved the EPL

  • 255 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 10:47 PM

    Is it just the Papers gazumping each other:

    http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/586456/Newcastle-Transfer-News-14m-Bid-Charlie-Austin-QPR-Chelsea-Southampton




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