There is news in Germany that Newcastle are getting close to signing Wolfsburg striker Bas Dost, but not particularly good news today that Wolfsburg head coach Dieter Hecking is advising his striker against a move to Tyneside.
Hecking wants Bas Dost to stay at Wolfsburg and play in the Champions League next season – something he cannot do at Newcastle United for the foreseeable future – make that a long time.
Bas Dost with Dieter Hecking – advised against moving to Newcastle
This is what Hecking has said today in waz-online:
“Why does Bas want to go there?” “He can play in the next season’s Champions League with us.”
“”He will not be able to do that next season at Newcastle nor probably in the following season at Newcastle.”
“We don’t want to let any of our players go.”
Well those comments are not going to help Newcastle get Bas Dost to Tyneside, but we suppose it’s understandable Dieter wants to keep his squad together for the big challenge in the Champions League next season.
Wolfsburg had a great season last term, helped by Dost’s 16 goals, and finished second to Bayern Munich in the Bundesliga.
Borussia Dortmund are the other club said to be interested in signing the 6’5″ striker, but reports have Newcastle as the (even firm) favorites to sign him.
Dieter Hecking has a point about the Champions League – there’s no way Newcastle will be anywhere near the top four in England, and it’s extremely difficult to qualify for the Champions League, let alone the Europa League.
Let’s hope we can still sign the striker.
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166 comments so far
YouCouldn'tMakeItUp
Jun 23, 2015 at 2:39 PM
Comment #1And he is 100% correct. More proof that Mashers lack of ambition leaves us struggling to attract any even half-decent players (sod bats is only that imo).
scottoon
Jun 23, 2015 at 2:39 PM
Comment #2Repost…..the news has not reached Dost or his gaffer obviously.
Experts at the centre for infectious diseases understand that NUFC have hired a shamen/witchdoctor who purports to be an expert on the Barrack Road Plague. Steve Black is said to be immune because, in his own words….”I’m a Geordie, me!”
We note it did not seem to help John Carver much at all.
Efforts to reach a club spokesperson to confirm the appointment were met with a blank stare.
WWSBRD
Jun 23, 2015 at 2:44 PM
Comment #3YCMIU
Tbf most managers say this when a none CL PL team comes in for their stars…often doesn’t end well for them though with Newcastle involved I think Hecking may win out
optimistic prime
Jun 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM
Comment #4The manager must be telling him not to go to NUFC because of Carr not scouting players properley.
It’ll be nothing to do with how Ashley runs the club with zero ambition or foward thinking.
Ashley knows nothing about football, it’s not his fault if he employs substandard personnel. He knows no better.
YouCouldn'tMakeItUp
Jun 23, 2015 at 2:52 PM
Comment #5OP
Yeah we dont want to make it look like Ashley is mostly to blame for mot listening to the people he has employed, after all those people obviously want to spend to much of his money. The imbeciles
WWSBRD
Jun 23, 2015 at 2:53 PM
Comment #6op
Carr not scouting players properly?
YouCouldn'tMakeItUp
Jun 23, 2015 at 2:54 PM
Comment #7Wwsbrd
Op is being ironic
WWSBRD
Jun 23, 2015 at 2:56 PM
Comment #8YCMIU
Ahh there been another ‘lets blame Carr’ debate?
YouCouldn'tMakeItUp
Jun 23, 2015 at 2:57 PM
Comment #9Wwsbrd
There certainly has, from the Ashley protectorate as usual.
ToonFromLeeds
Jun 23, 2015 at 2:58 PM
Comment #10it’s evident no one in power at Newcastle has a clue what they are doing
WWSBRD
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:01 PM
Comment #11YCMIU
Makes sense haha I really dont get that argument Carr recommends players he doesn’t buy them
The idea he will constantly find brilliant players no one has ever heard of for a couple quid is unrealistic, his job isnt made any easier by the fact the club are so happy to point out how good he is at finding good players and getting them for under their value, if Carr goes to a game these days u know there is someone worth watching there
Arsenal had the same issue a while ago where other scouts would just follow them
optimistic prime
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:03 PM
Comment #12I just can’t get my head round people saying Charnley or Carr or whoever is to blame but it’s not down to Ashley.
You have to have some issues if you defend Ashley but attack his minions.
Blackley and Brownlie
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:04 PM
Comment #13Lil, you ask,
“Does every club operate with a DoF? No, they don’t. Levy isn’t a football man, yet he is in charge of Spurs transfers. David Gill, David Dein etc. many of the power brokers for transfers aren’t football men. As Barkel says it is up to our MD and the finance people to broker deals, and that has been how it worked, and probably how it still does.”
No every club doesn’t operate with DoF. But we do. The manager is not old school like Wrnger or Ferguson.
Barkel says it’s over to Charnley, the money man, once Carr’s identified a player. How is Charnley going to know a player’s worth? A good DoF/chief scout will tell the money men the player’s value and say “pay this but no more”. The money man will make sure the budget is not exceeded and the best deal possible will be obtained.
As to Tsunki’s point, no we won’t always get Carr’s preferred target for many reasons. But I’m judging Carr solely on the players we bring in, be it his second or third choice or whatever. How much they cost in transfer fees and wages, and whether I think it is fair value.
IMO the old man’s choices are harming NUFC. They’re bad choices. How can anyone argue that they are good choices. It cannot be Charnley’s job to choose players or assign them a top value. He wouldn’t know where to start.
optimistic prime
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:06 PM
Comment #14Who’s idea was it to lend the Rangers 5?
Carver?
Charnley?
Carr?
Couldn’t have been Ashley he has nothing to do with NUFC and knows nowt about football.
Who’s idea then?
It’s rare we loan any players out and those 5 weren’t sent for their benifit or NUFC’s
Blackley and Brownlie
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:08 PM
Comment #15Neither is it Charnley’s job to prioritise areas of footballing need. If Carr says we need a Gouffran and a Cabella and not a CB, surely Charnley’s not over-ruling him? Or do you think he is.
Jib
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:10 PM
Comment #16http://www.soccernews.nl/news/319744/Dost_wekt_irritatie_bij_Wolfsburg:_Wat_wil_Bas_dan
This Dutch item puts a slightly different spin on it.
Bas Dost IS talking to us and it is irritating the hell out of Wolfsburg who are getting quite rude about a crazy Dutchman preferring the EPL to CL.
They can’t understand it.
I can
IT’S THE TOON !!!!!!
Looks like he’s coming folks
Lindisfarne
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:11 PM
Comment #17YouCouldn’tMakeItUp
Are they a ‘protectorate’ or celestial knackers?
optimistic prime
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:12 PM
Comment #18Flappy gob
Your whole argument falls apart because you don’t know what Carr is told to look for.
For all you know the players we signed could have been the best possible he could have within the limits set.
Your judging him without knowing any of the facts, something your flappy chops is always moaning about.
You’re just as quick as anyone to assume something yet whinge like a mackem if anyone else does the same.
Blackley and Brownlie
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:12 PM
Comment #19OP
I would guess Llambias has thought of ways that NUFC and Rangers can get a mutual benefit as well as gaining Ashley financial and political advantage at Rangers. He’s turned to the so called DoF, Carr, and Pardew and asked for suitable candidates.
optimistic prime
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:13 PM
Comment #20Again
Assumption
mickalfas
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:14 PM
Comment #21Hope be goes to Dortmund ,there won’t be enough space for him when we’ve signed Austin and Mitrovic ,and keep Perez and Cisse ,our no 9
Have Riviere and Goofy picked which one of there many admirers to sign for yet?
WWSBRD
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:15 PM
Comment #22Blackley
Ur argument is imo very poor and has too many holes to go into but perhaps mainly that u have no idea how the Newcastle board is set up or who has what responsibilities
Lilongwe Geordie
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:15 PM
Comment #23Blackley,
When have we operated with a DoF? Kinnear in his second stint, and Wise. Other than that, never. Essentially, rather than having a pop at Carr, a more realistic target for the person harming NUFC would surely be the man that has put a structure in place at the football club, but failed to appoint the relevant personnel to implement that structure properly – Mike Ashley.
You say it cannot be Charnley’s job, that is wrong, it shouldn’t be Charnley’s job, but he is the only one currently employed to fill that role once Carr and his scouting team have done the scouting work.
We have tried to operate in a DoF model without a DoF for the majority of that time. That is gross incompetence from Ashley. Why would we blame the chief scout for Ashley failing to put the correct pieces in place? Is it his fault our only directors last year were Irving, Charnley and Mike ‘I have no involvement on the football side’ Ashley? Why wasn’t Kinnear replaced when he left? Why wasn’t Wise?
ToonFromLeeds
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:17 PM
Comment #24Blackley
No one knows who does what so your argument is futile
optimistic prime
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:17 PM
Comment #25Did anyone see the memo where Ashley said Carr and Charnley could run the club anyway they see fit.
Blackley and Brownlie
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:19 PM
Comment #26Negatron
I said I would cut you some slack, but it seems you can’t help playing the man and not the ball, reverting to insults because you haven’t got an argument.
I’m judging him on the facts before my eyes. He is the football man who is acting as DoF. We have a head coach not a manager. Do you understand the difference? Not only those facts but the players we’ve bought, be they second, third choice or whatever are bad value for money. They contributed to us nearly getting relegated. He should be saying no. Don’t buy Cabella for x or Rivi for Y or Goufrran for Z. They’re bad buys and not worth it.
Lilongwe Geordie
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:19 PM
Comment #27Blackley,
As to areas of footballing need, Pardew has said previously that he was the one who said what he needed then Carr scouted, or gave Charnley the list of people in that position, and Charnley would see what he could do.
As I said earlier, Carr should rightly take some of the blame, but you seem to want to pin it all on him. Has he done something to offend you personally? Did he pinch your drink in a pub one night?
WWSBRD
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:21 PM
Comment #28Blackley
Carr should tell NUFC not to buy anyone other than his first choice then? And only for the value he thinkgs they are worth
Its a risky strategy Cotton lets see if it pays off….by risky I mean we will never buy a player again and by pay off I mean watch as we are kicked out of the footballing leagues for being unable to field a team
Blackley and Brownlie
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:24 PM
Comment #29TFL
Okay. So who identified these poor players and overpaid them? Who? Besides, it’s not a futile argument. It’s an opinion based on what I know about the set up at the club and the evidence before my eyes. I was not the only fan predicting we were relegation fodder at the start of the season, while Percy was so pleased with Carr’s work he was talking about Europe.
It is my opinion. If someone comes up with more cogent arguments or better evidence, I’m willing to change that opinion.
optimistic prime
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:25 PM
Comment #30Flappy gob
You’re cutting me some slack?
Lol, you’re banging your head against a wall with a none argument.
How longs Carr been director of football?
I rember reading at Xmas in a Carr interview he was NOT acting as DOF, so if he is now how many players have we signed to judge him on?
Zero! The same total substance of your argument
optimistic prime
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:27 PM
Comment #31Flappy
Where is your evidence the club is run as you suggest?
ToonFromLeeds
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:28 PM
Comment #32Last season Percy picked who he wanted to buy, this season we have a supposed board who all have an input in player buys, McClaren himself has said he will have a major input into who comes in. It is to be hoped McClaren’s opinions are better than those who have been here before
ToonFromLeeds
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:28 PM
Comment #33We don’t have a DOF
Tsunki
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:32 PM
Comment #34I think they’ve been trying to work some sort of fudged cooperative in the boardroom, the committee mentality that sits down to design a horse and comes up with a giraffe.
belgrade fan
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:34 PM
Comment #35Month and a half before season startsand we r only losing players. 0 players in, 5 or 6 r already out. In a team who avoid relegation on last day. Very good
croftus5678
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:35 PM
Comment #36dost would be a great signing for us imo.
he’s suited play/physically to the prem and tactics wise he’s versatile to a fair few ways of playing.
no matter which way macca wants to play it i’m sure dost would fit in which is something that cant be said about 85% of our team.
however i hope he’s smart enough to play a system and tactics that suits what strength’s the players we have at the time.
the worrying thing for me is watching other teams signing players of their quality and looking at what we currently have and thinking to myself they in theory have moved above us in the table.
please just make one signing to push us further up and give us fans hope that we will sign a few players this window !………please.
Lilongwe Geordie
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:38 PM
Comment #37Tsunki,
Of course they have been trying to fudge it. We see it in the boardroom, in the development set up and in the first team set up. When Willie Donachie left, we left Beardsley to cover both roles. When Pardew left we juggled it so Carver, Stone and Woodman could continue with Watson assisting first team and juggling Under 18 duties. When Kinnear left, Charnley and Carr had to blur the lines of their roles to make do.
The club always try and make do with what is there, rather than employing the correct personnel to do the required job properly. We haven’t replaced our FD yet, so that is another role that is probably being covered by someone also charged with another role at the club.
mickalfas
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:39 PM
Comment #38Surely Ashley is in charge of the purse strings, didn’t he say on the famous interview that football decisions were made by others ,and as there’s not many people involved its a process of elimination
The HC is a shit deflector and good news deliverer ,to boost season tickets
Moncur makes the tea/coffee ,depending on taste
Penfold knows nothing about football,apparently ,so he must only be the judge of the best pound for pound value before asking the fat controller to sign the cheques
Carr and his contacts scout/source the available players ,who possibly would like to sign for us
Lilongwe Geordie
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:41 PM
Comment #39Even now, we don’t want to splash out for a DoF, so let’s just say that McClaren is also part of the board. Utter mickey mouse stuff in the corridors of power at this club. If Ashley wasn’t happy with it, he could quite easily change how it operates, but he is obviously satisfied with how it is working.
Blackley and Brownlie
Jun 23, 2015 at 3:42 PM
Comment #40Lil
You say I am blaming Carr and there are others to blame. How many times have I called the tea boy and the comedian’s dad incompetent? And how many times have I said the buck stops with Ashley for employing them?
When the recruitment is crap, you blame the recruitment guy. Many people including me predicted a relegation scrap at the start of the season because of the recruitment. These guys are incompetent but only complete idiots would allow the tea boy to buy the players he wants for the prices that he is prepared to pay based on nothing more than a list from the chief scout’s pocket. Carr is up to his neck in last season’s debacle. At the very least, the very least, he is not strong enough to hold his ground. At the end of the day he is the most important football man involved in recruitment and he has allowed his name to be associated with it.
It seems there’s a lot of love for the old fella on here.
We had Jail actually praising Ashley this morning for Carr’s appointment. Jail praising Ashley. You couldn’t make it up.