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Wolfsburg Coach Warns Bas Dost Not To Join Newcastle

2:35 pm, Tuesday, June 23rd, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 166 Comments

There is news in Germany that Newcastle are getting close to signing Wolfsburg striker Bas Dost,  but not particularly good news today that Wolfsburg head coach Dieter Hecking  is advising his striker against a move to Tyneside.

Hecking wants Bas Dost to stay at Wolfsburg and play in the Champions League next season – something he cannot do at Newcastle United for the foreseeable future – make that a long time.

bas dost and diter hecking

Bas Dost with Dieter Hecking – advised against moving to Newcastle

This is what Hecking has said today in waz-online:

“Why does Bas want to go there?” “He can play in the next season’s Champions League with us.”

“”He will not be able to do that next season at Newcastle nor probably in the following season at Newcastle.”

“We don’t want to let any of our players go.”

Well those comments are not going to help Newcastle get Bas Dost to Tyneside, but we suppose it’s understandable Dieter wants to keep his squad together for the big challenge in the Champions League next season.

Wolfsburg had a great season last term, helped by Dost’s 16 goals,  and finished second to Bayern Munich in the Bundesliga.

Borussia Dortmund are the other club said to be interested in signing the 6’5″ striker, but reports have Newcastle as the (even firm)  favorites to sign him.

Dieter Hecking has a point about the Champions League – there’s no way Newcastle will be anywhere near the top four in England, and it’s extremely difficult to qualify for the Champions League, let alone the Europa League.

Let’s hope we can still sign the striker.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Newcastle News · Recruitment · Scouting Network · Transfer News and Rumours · Transfer Target

166 responses so far ↓

  • 1 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 23, 2015 at 2:39 PM

    And he is 100% correct. More proof that Mashers lack of ambition leaves us struggling to attract any even half-decent players (sod bats is only that imo).

  • 2 scottoon // Jun 23, 2015 at 2:39 PM

    Repost…..the news has not reached Dost or his gaffer obviously.

    Experts at the centre for infectious diseases understand that NUFC have hired a shamen/witchdoctor who purports to be an expert on the Barrack Road Plague. Steve Black is said to be immune because, in his own words….”I’m a Geordie, me!”

    We note it did not seem to help John Carver much at all.

    Efforts to reach a club spokesperson to confirm the appointment were met with a blank stare.

  • 3 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 2:44 PM

    Tbf most managers say this when a none CL PL team comes in for their stars…often doesn’t end well for them though with Newcastle involved I think Hecking may win out

  • 4 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM

    The manager must be telling him not to go to NUFC because of Carr not scouting players properley.

    It’ll be nothing to do with how Ashley runs the club with zero ambition or foward thinking.

    Ashley knows nothing about football, it’s not his fault if he employs substandard personnel. He knows no better.

  • 5 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 23, 2015 at 2:52 PM


    Yeah we dont want to make it look like Ashley is mostly to blame for mot listening to the people he has employed, after all those people obviously want to spend to much of his money. The imbeciles

  • 6 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 2:53 PM

    Carr not scouting players properly?

  • 7 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 23, 2015 at 2:54 PM


    Op is being ironic

  • 8 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 2:56 PM

    Ahh there been another ‘lets blame Carr’ debate?

  • 9 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 23, 2015 at 2:57 PM


    There certainly has, from the Ashley protectorate as usual.

  • 10 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 2:58 PM

    it’s evident no one in power at Newcastle has a clue what they are doing

  • 11 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:01 PM

    Makes sense haha I really dont get that argument Carr recommends players he doesn’t buy them

    The idea he will constantly find brilliant players no one has ever heard of for a couple quid is unrealistic, his job isnt made any easier by the fact the club are so happy to point out how good he is at finding good players and getting them for under their value, if Carr goes to a game these days u know there is someone worth watching there

    Arsenal had the same issue a while ago where other scouts would just follow them

  • 12 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:03 PM

    I just can’t get my head round people saying Charnley or Carr or whoever is to blame but it’s not down to Ashley.

    You have to have some issues if you defend Ashley but attack his minions.

  • 13 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:04 PM

    Lil, you ask,
    “Does every club operate with a DoF? No, they don’t. Levy isn’t a football man, yet he is in charge of Spurs transfers. David Gill, David Dein etc. many of the power brokers for transfers aren’t football men. As Barkel says it is up to our MD and the finance people to broker deals, and that has been how it worked, and probably how it still does.”

    No every club doesn’t operate with DoF. But we do. The manager is not old school like Wrnger or Ferguson.

    Barkel says it’s over to Charnley, the money man, once Carr’s identified a player. How is Charnley going to know a player’s worth? A good DoF/chief scout will tell the money men the player’s value and say “pay this but no more”. The money man will make sure the budget is not exceeded and the best deal possible will be obtained.

    As to Tsunki’s point, no we won’t always get Carr’s preferred target for many reasons. But I’m judging Carr solely on the players we bring in, be it his second or third choice or whatever. How much they cost in transfer fees and wages, and whether I think it is fair value.

    IMO the old man’s choices are harming NUFC. They’re bad choices. How can anyone argue that they are good choices. It cannot be Charnley’s job to choose players or assign them a top value. He wouldn’t know where to start.

  • 14 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:06 PM

    Who’s idea was it to lend the Rangers 5?


    Couldn’t have been Ashley he has nothing to do with NUFC and knows nowt about football.

    Who’s idea then?

    It’s rare we loan any players out and those 5 weren’t sent for their benifit or NUFC’s

  • 15 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:08 PM

    Neither is it Charnley’s job to prioritise areas of footballing need. If Carr says we need a Gouffran and a Cabella and not a CB, surely Charnley’s not over-ruling him? Or do you think he is.

  • 16 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:10 PM

    This Dutch item puts a slightly different spin on it.
    Bas Dost IS talking to us and it is irritating the hell out of Wolfsburg who are getting quite rude about a crazy Dutchman preferring the EPL to CL.
    They can’t understand it.
    I can
    IT’S THE TOON !!!!!!
    Looks like he’s coming folks

  • 17 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:11 PM


    Are they a ‘protectorate’ or celestial knackers?

  • 18 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:12 PM

    Flappy gob

    Your whole argument falls apart because you don’t know what Carr is told to look for.

    For all you know the players we signed could have been the best possible he could have within the limits set.

    Your judging him without knowing any of the facts, something your flappy chops is always moaning about.

    You’re just as quick as anyone to assume something yet whinge like a mackem if anyone else does the same.

  • 19 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:12 PM

    I would guess Llambias has thought of ways that NUFC and Rangers can get a mutual benefit as well as gaining Ashley financial and political advantage at Rangers. He’s turned to the so called DoF, Carr, and Pardew and asked for suitable candidates.

  • 20 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:13 PM



  • 21 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:14 PM

    Hope be goes to Dortmund ,there won’t be enough space for him when we’ve signed Austin and Mitrovic ,and keep Perez and Cisse ,our no 9
    Have Riviere and Goofy picked which one of there many admirers to sign for yet?

  • 22 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:15 PM

    Ur argument is imo very poor and has too many holes to go into but perhaps mainly that u have no idea how the Newcastle board is set up or who has what responsibilities

  • 23 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:15 PM

    When have we operated with a DoF? Kinnear in his second stint, and Wise. Other than that, never. Essentially, rather than having a pop at Carr, a more realistic target for the person harming NUFC would surely be the man that has put a structure in place at the football club, but failed to appoint the relevant personnel to implement that structure properly – Mike Ashley.

    You say it cannot be Charnley’s job, that is wrong, it shouldn’t be Charnley’s job, but he is the only one currently employed to fill that role once Carr and his scouting team have done the scouting work.

    We have tried to operate in a DoF model without a DoF for the majority of that time. That is gross incompetence from Ashley. Why would we blame the chief scout for Ashley failing to put the correct pieces in place? Is it his fault our only directors last year were Irving, Charnley and Mike ‘I have no involvement on the football side’ Ashley? Why wasn’t Kinnear replaced when he left? Why wasn’t Wise?

  • 24 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:17 PM

    No one knows who does what so your argument is futile

  • 25 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:17 PM

    Did anyone see the memo where Ashley said Carr and Charnley could run the club anyway they see fit.

  • 26 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:19 PM

    I said I would cut you some slack, but it seems you can’t help playing the man and not the ball, reverting to insults because you haven’t got an argument.

    I’m judging him on the facts before my eyes. He is the football man who is acting as DoF. We have a head coach not a manager. Do you understand the difference? Not only those facts but the players we’ve bought, be they second, third choice or whatever are bad value for money. They contributed to us nearly getting relegated. He should be saying no. Don’t buy Cabella for x or Rivi for Y or Goufrran for Z. They’re bad buys and not worth it.

  • 27 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:19 PM

    As to areas of footballing need, Pardew has said previously that he was the one who said what he needed then Carr scouted, or gave Charnley the list of people in that position, and Charnley would see what he could do.

    As I said earlier, Carr should rightly take some of the blame, but you seem to want to pin it all on him. Has he done something to offend you personally? Did he pinch your drink in a pub one night?

  • 28 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:21 PM

    Carr should tell NUFC not to buy anyone other than his first choice then? And only for the value he thinkgs they are worth

    Its a risky strategy Cotton lets see if it pays off….by risky I mean we will never buy a player again and by pay off I mean watch as we are kicked out of the footballing leagues for being unable to field a team

  • 29 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:24 PM

    Okay. So who identified these poor players and overpaid them? Who? Besides, it’s not a futile argument. It’s an opinion based on what I know about the set up at the club and the evidence before my eyes. I was not the only fan predicting we were relegation fodder at the start of the season, while Percy was so pleased with Carr’s work he was talking about Europe.

    It is my opinion. If someone comes up with more cogent arguments or better evidence, I’m willing to change that opinion.

  • 30 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:25 PM

    Flappy gob

    You’re cutting me some slack?

    Lol, you’re banging your head against a wall with a none argument.

    How longs Carr been director of football?
    I rember reading at Xmas in a Carr interview he was NOT acting as DOF, so if he is now how many players have we signed to judge him on?

    Zero! The same total substance of your argument

  • 31 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:27 PM


    Where is your evidence the club is run as you suggest?

  • 32 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:28 PM

    Last season Percy picked who he wanted to buy, this season we have a supposed board who all have an input in player buys, McClaren himself has said he will have a major input into who comes in. It is to be hoped McClaren’s opinions are better than those who have been here before

  • 33 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:28 PM

    We don’t have a DOF

  • 34 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:32 PM

    I think they’ve been trying to work some sort of fudged cooperative in the boardroom, the committee mentality that sits down to design a horse and comes up with a giraffe.

  • 35 belgrade fan // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:34 PM

    Month and a half before season startsand we r only losing players. 0 players in, 5 or 6 r already out. In a team who avoid relegation on last day. Very good

  • 36 croftus5678 // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:35 PM

    dost would be a great signing for us imo.

    he’s suited play/physically to the prem and tactics wise he’s versatile to a fair few ways of playing.

    no matter which way macca wants to play it i’m sure dost would fit in which is something that cant be said about 85% of our team.

    however i hope he’s smart enough to play a system and tactics that suits what strength’s the players we have at the time.

    the worrying thing for me is watching other teams signing players of their quality and looking at what we currently have and thinking to myself they in theory have moved above us in the table.

    please just make one signing to push us further up and give us fans hope that we will sign a few players this window !………please.

  • 37 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:38 PM

    Of course they have been trying to fudge it. We see it in the boardroom, in the development set up and in the first team set up. When Willie Donachie left, we left Beardsley to cover both roles. When Pardew left we juggled it so Carver, Stone and Woodman could continue with Watson assisting first team and juggling Under 18 duties. When Kinnear left, Charnley and Carr had to blur the lines of their roles to make do.

    The club always try and make do with what is there, rather than employing the correct personnel to do the required job properly. We haven’t replaced our FD yet, so that is another role that is probably being covered by someone also charged with another role at the club.

  • 38 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:39 PM

    Surely Ashley is in charge of the purse strings, didn’t he say on the famous interview that football decisions were made by others ,and as there’s not many people involved its a process of elimination
    The HC is a shit deflector and good news deliverer ,to boost season tickets
    Moncur makes the tea/coffee ,depending on taste
    Penfold knows nothing about football,apparently ,so he must only be the judge of the best pound for pound value before asking the fat controller to sign the cheques
    Carr and his contacts scout/source the available players ,who possibly would like to sign for us

  • 39 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:41 PM

    Even now, we don’t want to splash out for a DoF, so let’s just say that McClaren is also part of the board. Utter mickey mouse stuff in the corridors of power at this club. If Ashley wasn’t happy with it, he could quite easily change how it operates, but he is obviously satisfied with how it is working.

  • 40 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:42 PM

    You say I am blaming Carr and there are others to blame. How many times have I called the tea boy and the comedian’s dad incompetent? And how many times have I said the buck stops with Ashley for employing them?

    When the recruitment is crap, you blame the recruitment guy. Many people including me predicted a relegation scrap at the start of the season because of the recruitment. These guys are incompetent but only complete idiots would allow the tea boy to buy the players he wants for the prices that he is prepared to pay based on nothing more than a list from the chief scout’s pocket. Carr is up to his neck in last season’s debacle. At the very least, the very least, he is not strong enough to hold his ground. At the end of the day he is the most important football man involved in recruitment and he has allowed his name to be associated with it.

    It seems there’s a lot of love for the old fella on here.

    We had Jail actually praising Ashley this morning for Carr’s appointment. Jail praising Ashley. You couldn’t make it up.

  • 41 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:45 PM

    Looks like Cisse doesn’t want to go

  • 42 thevirus // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:48 PM

    This club is just run by a total bunch of amateurs, can’t ever see Ashley investing heavily in this club , Charnley is a total waste of space who knows nothing about football at all and couldn’t attract a moth to a flame never mind a player to this club. I’ll with hold judgement on mclaren as he will definitely be a step up from carver

  • 43 Mister Tuff // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:49 PM

    Blackley – the results of the scouting process have not been particularly good -everybody agress on that I think. However you seem to be at odds with the process as we understand it and have refused to accept this version but have substituted your own version of the procedures -which as far as we know is not correct.

    I am sorry to hear that old man Carr stole a drink from you. It’s nearly as bad as King Percy nicking that blokes dinner.
    In this era of austerity and tightening belts I believe the cost of a Babycham can be quite expensive no wonder you are annoyed.

  • 44 croftus5678 // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:49 PM

    in the “is carr a good coach” debate !

    my view is:

    he’s there to make a list of all players who will be good for the team ! for example:
    player rated number 1 is best quality and best suited
    player 2 less
    player 3

    he shouldnt be putting any player on the list he’s not sure that will be good for the team imo. (however no body is perfect)

    imo most of his choices even though not carr’s first choice have been very good but not been played to there best by the managers at the time mostly.

    some like river/good not so great but have they had a decent crack in their true positions and to their own strength’s ?

  • 45 Toon Tang // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:49 PM

    “Das Boot’s been warned” Enigma code breakers at Bletchley have today revealed

  • 46 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:51 PM


    You did make that up Jail never praised Ashley, that’s you twisting comments.

  • 47 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:54 PM


    If we can’t really judge players true form due to Pardews style and tactics, it’s safe to say we can’t judge Carr or Charnley due to Ashley being in charge.

    If it’s good for the goose

  • 48 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:54 PM

    John Gibson wrote months ago,

    “Graham Carr, it has emerged, is the power broker behind the scenes at St James’ Park. Anyone who thinks that he is merely chief scout must reside in a cave up the Northumberland coast and never venture forth into the daylight.”

    What’s your answer to this?

    BTW, I’ve had unnecessary abuse from you and Jail today. I’d rather not carry on like that, but I really don’t mind provided you understand and remember that is why the gloves are off and I will have no hesitation in ridiculing your daft opinions. In fact, I will enjoy it.

  • 49 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:57 PM

    The recruitment guy? So Charnley then? Or do we mean Ashley, because he employed Charnley and Carr?

    Charnley is the person who does the negotiating and recruiting. Both Pardew and Carr have said this last summer. Pardew said the positions he wanted, Carr drew up the list of a number of possibles, Charnley decides which the club would buy based on all variables.

    I’m not sure about a lot of love for Carr on here, he has received a fair bit of criticism, you though claim to know the inner workings and feel like blaming him for all and sundry to do with our transfer policy, and an inability to persuade Ashley to sanction the additional payment for better players. Before you go on about why should Ashley put in extra cash, he didn’t need to. We haven’t spent the money available within the clubs coffers yet.

    If your theory is correct, then Ashley has failed to employ the correct people in the correct roles, or even sufficient people to fill the positions required. You can blame Carr all you want, but he is a scout that in your scenario has been given additional duties not of his skill set. Next time I go to the butchers I might get him to make me a loaf of bread and complain if he doesn’t make one as good as a baker would.

  • 50 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:57 PM

    Carr is up to his neck in last season’s debacle

    Yup Carr insisted we didnt buy a CB, he also went around kicking players to injure them, heard he told Pardew he was doing a good job and stated ‘u need not change a thing bonnie lad’, kept telling Cabella he was looking fat and what he did to De Jong I couldnt even mention

  • 51 croftus5678 // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:58 PM

    @49 op

    thats a fair point as anyone can only deal with what cards they are given.

    if someone hasnt been given full support (and i wasnt there so i have no idea who’s supported and who isnt) then we can only judge them on what they have got to play with.

  • 52 jane // Jun 23, 2015 at 3:58 PM

    TFL @ 26 “No one knows who does what”
    TFL@ 12 “it’s evident no one in power at Newcastle has a clue what they are doing”

    is that a bit of a contradiction? 🙂

  • 53 lesh // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:01 PM


    If I want the news, I can get them n the radio, tv or papers.

    Thank you for your consideration but if I need news updates I know who to turn call for.

  • 54 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:01 PM

    Jane no one knows who does what but it is evident that whoever does whatever aren’t doing it right!

  • 55 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:01 PM


    Same as yours would be, that’s paper talk not proof. Show me a interview where Carr says he’s DOF or Charnley says it.

    You don’t like me calling you flappy?
    I don’t like you calling other posters flappy birds, is that not abuse?

  • 56 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:03 PM

    My answer to that is that it is Ashley’s fault for not employing the right people to fit the structure in place, and promoting people above their level for the sake of not having to hire new people who might complain about how poorly the club is structured and organised.

    All of them are responsible for the problems of the last few years, from Ashley, right down to the players. None of them should escape blame, however those who have spoken out have swiftly found their services no longer required at SJP.

  • 57 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:03 PM

    Find Jail’s quote. As I recall, he said it was one of the few things Ashley has got right. That’s what I call giving some credit to Ashley, which I’ve never seen before. That’s what I meant. Praise indeed coming from Jail.

    I said the other day that I would cut you some slack because I felt guilty picking on a dippy kid, even though you deserved it. I have been true to my word and not mocked your daft, immature comments. You couldn’t help yourself being abusive though.

    How do you think being abusive to people comes across? Do you think you win arguments by it? Do you think you’re one of the gang by joining in with Jail?

  • 58 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:05 PM


    Swallow some of your own medicine.

  • 59 lesh // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:05 PM

    Charnley has the final say on who we buy. He signs off spend and controls the budget.

    So, he dictates that we offer a low basic and bonus but the clown probably doesn’t appreciate that good players want to better their current wages, not take a cut and rely on a bonus that they may or may not get.

    The same applies to backroom staff.

    Maybe that’s why we’re not getting targets over the line?

  • 60 croftus5678 // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:07 PM

    cisse say’s he’s proud and happy to wear the number 9 shirt !

    thats it for me and means austin will not be coming for certain and i reckon its the only thing that could have convinced him to come and may have been the reason our club wants to get rid of cisse so he wouldnt cry and cause a fuss about losing the shirt !

    cisse has shown fight/loyalty and is proud to wear the shirt imo and i’d lose out on austin happily for cisse now imo.

    support him with dost alongside and i’ll be very happy to watch the striking team of cisse/dost/perez/siem/arma/goofy/river with obv the later few being the weaker and siem being an option for a cf as i class him as acm mostly.

  • 61 jane // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:10 PM

    TFL you wriggled out of that one very well! however sometimes though I think it is hard for us to judge how well they are doing because we don’t have all the facts.

  • 62 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:10 PM


    That’ll def be one of the factors.

    As will the current appeal of NUFC due to 8yrs of desperate scenarios on and off the pitch.

    NUFC wouldn’t be my first choice as a pro player, I’d want to wait incase another club came in who no doubt would be better before I even concidered it.

    It’s been said for a while to get players up here you sometimes have to pay more, we actively try to pay less.

    Genius policy

  • 63 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:14 PM

    True but we have no backroom staff and no new players
    Isn’t that evidence enough?

  • 64 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:16 PM

    Lil @58
    What you’re saying is the other side of the same coin.

    Carr is the DoF. He’s providing the players for the head coach. Charnley is trying to get the financial side of it done and to be fair to him it’s not an easy job getting players to Newcastle, unless money is no object.

    But this idea that Charnley is selecting players and identifying the priorities for the squad is just far fetched when he has absolutely no footballing clue. How can he over-rule a competent chief scout/ DoF? Who is guiding him on player values? If Charnley goes down Carr’s list and gets to Cabella, does he pay £10m for him when Carr thinks he worth no more than £5m? I know they’re incompetent but nobody’s that daft except Negatron.

  • 65 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:17 PM

    Please let it be true:

  • 66 nightfa11 // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:17 PM


    Mike Williamson also said hes proud to wear nufc shirt.. That doesnt mean shit.. Cisse is saying those things cos hes afraid he’ll get shipped to sibiria.. If he would really be so proud his attitude would have been much much better..

  • 67 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:18 PM

    Are they not a bit like the Freemasons ,we know they exist ,but don’t really know what they do
    No one speaks out apart from the now famous interview ,where he said nothing really

  • 68 jane // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM

    not really TFL because they might be doing a great job but we don’t know yet 🙂

  • 69 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM

    Flappy gob

    As usual comments twisted to suit your own none argument.

    Who said Charnley was selecting players or over ruling Carr?

    If I’m daft you’re fcucked

  • 70 Jib // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:21 PM

    It’s mini me posting the pointless news
    The weird thing is when I post links to Dutch sites about Das Bost they disappear

  • 71 Belfast // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:22 PM

    Good news don’t want to sign him anyway. Another player who needs a settling in period and time to adapt get used to the league etc etc, no thanks.

    I’d rather we signed Austin.

  • 72 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:22 PM

    So much for moderation I suppose filling up the blog with random news clips adds more click value. Rather check out Bbc news site though.

  • 73 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:23 PM

    Lilongwe Geordie

    Like yourself there are a few knowledgeable people on the blog that I stop to read as I find them informative, plus open to question and debate. However there are others who only occasionally show a glimpse of knowledge, but their sense of superiority is distasteful and far from engaging.

  • 74 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:26 PM

    Who do you blame for mis-spending the budget?
    How do you explain the fact that we spend so much on duck eggs? Is Charnley making his own football choices? It doesn’t matter how far down the list you go, we should not be buying these players and we should certainly not be paying that sort of money.

    I can understand Charnley trying to get the price down. So it makes you wonder how much Carr was prepared to pay for these poor players? And how is Charnley supposed yo know how much a player is worth without Carr’s input? Nobody has attempted to answer these questions. Because many agree it has been poor business.

  • 75 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:26 PM

    I imagine transfer window time in the boardroom is like the clown scene out of Dumbo.

  • 76 croftus5678 // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:27 PM

    @70 nightfa11

    aye but williamson is c%^p cisse isnt.

    was never convinced on cisse after first season could have been luck and season before last was woefull but he added so much to his game last season and was hardly ever offside (which was a huge pain in the backside imo) also his attitude was never negative nor never has been from what i have seen so i dont see how his attitude could have been any better !

    he scored 11 in 22 and some of those was sub’s for a team almost relegated and who created little !
    i very much doubt we could get much better so why put a player down and try say its broke when its the one thing that actually works.

  • 77 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:28 PM

    Sorry lindisfarne I suppose my last comment puts me in the wrong category….

  • 78 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:28 PM

    Tsunki – problem?

    Not really much debate to be had about Bas Dost, one significant goal scoring spell in a few seasons and suddenly he is a transfer target. Only to gullible fools and the NUFC board.

  • 79 jane // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:30 PM

    yesterday’s Chronicle pointed out (which has probably already been discussed sorry!) that Stoke, Swansea and Southampton were among the teams with the lowest net spends last summer. at the end of the day clubs don’t know if spending £30m+ (like Hull did) will be better than spending very little. the morel of the story as the Chronicle pointed out is … spend wisely!

  • 80 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:30 PM

    I wonder if I am in the ‘worth reading’ camp

  • 81 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:30 PM


    Your sense of superiority is caveated by self humility.

  • 82 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:31 PM

    I enjoy your comments WWSBRD

  • 83 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:33 PM


    Those with a sense of self awareness are more often than not, a good read.

  • 84 scottoon // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:33 PM

    I don’t understand the need for everyone to analyze what has transpired in the past in terms of signings when the biggest problem facing the side is ahead of us. It is not what the club has done, it is about what it will (or more likely won’t) do in the next fortnight.

    My greatest concern is that the club has made itself a pariah….a deadzone that no one dares approach. The tone that the hierarchy has established cannot be undone by one utterly transparent interview. There is a lack of ambition and good players compete to win. The two sides are irreconcilable.

  • 85 croftus5678 // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:36 PM

    @82 lindisfarne

    tbf you could say that about austin with his 1 season in the prem ! who’s to say that wasnt luck ?

    same with any foreign player ! theres been a hell of a lot that cant adapt to the prem even though they was proven leading scorers elsewhere.

    even shearer went something like 11-12 games without a goal as far as i remember but his attributes suited the prem so you could tell it wouldnt last.

  • 86 Belfast // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:37 PM

    Definitely not Wwsbrd.

  • 87 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:37 PM

    It didn’t take Cisse long to bed in

  • 88 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:39 PM

    Aww shucks u guys

    I will have to up my game though most of the time I assume I am talking to myself

  • 89 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:39 PM

    Haha Belfast go suck a lemon

  • 90 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:40 PM

    “Who said Charnley was selecting players or over ruling Carr?”, you ask.

    My argument is that Carr is the football man responsible for the football side of recruitment. But that means he has to say “don’t pay any more than £x for him because he’s not worth more than that”.

    Are you saying that Charnley actually pays more to get players like Cabella and Rivi? Or are you saying Charnley doesn’t ask Carr what Carr thinks is the maximum outlay for a particular player? Or are you saying they were good purchases for the money available?

    Just answer those questions and let’s see where it leads you.

  • 91 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:41 PM

    I suppose I am really responding to a particular blogger who is perpetuating a limited point of discussion and currently expressing a point of view that he earlier belittled from the opposite party. Possibly as senseless as the number of links I post!

  • 92 Belfast // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:42 PM

    Don’t worry you’re not alone. I reckon me and Skunki run that camp. Haha

  • 93 Lindisfarne // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:43 PM

    croftus5678 may I introduce you to Tsunki?!

    I am on taxi duty

  • 94 croftus5678 // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:44 PM

    @98 lindis


  • 95 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:44 PM

    Haha atleast we will have fun rambling about nonsensical subjects knowing that no one is reading

    Remember it was the fool in the kings court who was more often than not the truth teller

  • 96 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:47 PM

    Afternoon chaps and chapesses.

    Looks like I’ve missed out on a lively football debate today, typical! Anyway, from what I’ve read during my catch up, I understand it’s (non)business as usual on the transfer front so it’s a dissection of the board and trying to work out who’s at fault for what.
    Is that about the gist of it?

  • 97 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:47 PM

    Scottoon @88
    You’re two paragraphs appear to be contradictory. You postulate the club has made itself a deadzone. You get that from your analysis of the past, but suggest analysing the past is irrelevant in terms of what will happen from now.

  • 98 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:51 PM

  • 99 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:52 PM

    100k a week? Newcastle enter the race? Hahahaha

  • 100 Mister Tuff // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:54 PM

    Blackley – they are all to blame -from Mr Tubbs downover.
    Hibbit earlier made a good overall point -to the effect that knackers/duffers should not be on the list anyway -which is a fair point.
    There has been an element of buying with a sell on profit being the main purchasing point -not how a player will fit into the team.
    Without knowing the content of Carrs lists it is difficult to see exacty what has gone on. I think it is fair to reason that some if not all the players purchased recently have not been at the top of the list – evidenced by most of them being poor and not progressing much. This accepted suggests that others were higher up the list and were not purchased as financial limits must have been at play – that being the case -we can -assume – perhaps that non football people made the decisions. In other words we got knackers who were not the missing pieces of the jigsaw to “balance” the team but that those with profits foremost in their thinking made the decisions.

    In any event they say they’ve changed, I doubt it somehow -but from next week onwards we’ll see who is coming to SJP.
    Unfortunately because of all the bad publicity reaching ridicule proportions last season, by just about every football pundit, we may not know if good players at the head of Carrs’ list will take a risk and come to SJP.
    The whole lot of them are guilty for allowing this to happen.
    Far distant when KK was here – people would be trampling over each other to get through the door -how a mighty club has fallen.

  • 101 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:54 PM

    It cannot be Charnley who has identified Bas Dost or put NUFC’s maximum valuation on him. Charnley’s job is to haggle and barter and get the player for no more than NUFC’s football recruitment team think he is worth. That’s why I can’t hold Charnley primarily responsible for signing and overpaying for players like Cabella.

  • 102 scottoon // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:57 PM

    Blackley – I don’t want to get drawn into circular discussions. My point, quite simply, is that given where the club is now, we should focus on where we go from here and how on earth do we get there. I am not suggesting we cannot learn from the past, and indeed we should, but in my opinion analyzing how we got the playing staff we have stands for nought unless we can actually learn from it going forward.

    So I am not disagreeing with you, I am just saying you need to take your discussion a step further.

  • 103 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:57 PM


    NO got that NO

    I’m not saying that, I’m saying I don’t know and YOU don’t know any of the restrictions placed on Carr or Charnley that would decided these factors.

    Carr scouts the players, what is there to say he’s any good at putting value on a player? Who even knows if he talks prices with Charnley?

    Your whole argument is a assumption of how you think things work, nothing else.

    I’m saying the outcome on the pitch in the board room and every where else at NUFC is a direct result of how Ashley WANTS the club ran!

    As much as I hated Pardews shite I always knew there was another to blame.

    Until around a week after the season ended Ashley could do no wrong in your eyes, it’s only the last few weeks you’ve even mentioned him having any blame at all. Charnley and Carr are the only ones Ive ever seen you critisise regularly.

    Why the sudden change?
    I rember BandB asked you the same a few weeks ago but I missed your responce. I’d like to here why the change of heart.

  • 104 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:58 PM

    £100k a week more chance of seeing Lord Lucan riding Shergar into St James’ Park

  • 105 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 4:59 PM

    Never mind the 100k a week ,we can’t compete with Stoke lol

  • 106 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:01 PM

    Hibbit’s point was spot on. I cant imagine any scout/DoF gets his first choice too often. Not even his second choice. But it’s important that whoever you buy, no matter what number choice he is, he improves the team and you could at least get your money back if you wanted to sell. Charnley doesn’t make these decisions. How do I know? Because he’s not identifying or valuing players. He doesn’t know how. Besides, that is someone else’s job.
    Battery dying here.

  • 107 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:01 PM

    Sorry there had to go away did I end up being tolerable or a worthless poster? I suppose it depends on what day you catch me on tbf. 🙂

  • 108 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:02 PM

    No one proper user of this blogs opinions are worthless

  • 109 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:06 PM

    I think it’s safe to say that the ‘team’ behind the scenes is a fairly mirrored by the one that trots out onto the pitch.

  • 110 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:07 PM

    Cabella is a good player, not sure why everyone seems to think he isnt, has had a tough first season but he was always going to but he is still a good player

  • 111 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:08 PM

    WWSBRD no doubt cabella is a talent but his consistency is horrendous

  • 112 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:12 PM

    When we signed Gouffran Percy said he wasn’t our main striker target but just a stop gap until we got one sorted.

    That stop gap is still here his replacement isn’t and we’re judging Carr on a player we are told was never meant to be first choice for any length of time.

    I find it strange judging someone on what we where told wasn’t a Purple or a proper signing for the improvement of the squad.

    That said quite a few of our current squad may have been meant as stop gaps, we just don’t know.

  • 113 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:12 PM

    I think Cabella is a victim of how poorly the team overall played. He rarely had anyone to pass to

    Hes similar to HBA for me, expected to do far too much on his own and by the end Benny didnt look to pass anymore which was when I gave up on him

  • 114 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:13 PM

    I have a question regarding the “transfer committee” If there are only 4 members and a decision on a player is put to a vote, who gets the casting vote?
    I am assuming that LC is just a puppet controlled by the FCW and from quotes mentioned in the last few days, BM is brownosing to keep his pension topped up. I am also assuming that SM&GC have discussions on certain types of players to scout and then agree on some sort of order to a list to present to the board.
    Therefore, that would mean, say on a transfer of a player with a high value (Austin for eg), I’m assuming SM & GC are in the yes camp and LC & BM are in the no camp(too expensive), how is the split decision decided. Who gets the casting vote? Is it LC as he’s the managing director, is it SM as he’s head coach? Or is it passed further up the chain so the FCW casts the deciding vote?

  • 115 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:15 PM

    Let’s hope McClaren can get them team playing well then

  • 116 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:19 PM

    I hope so mate, have a more pass and go team and watch that lad shine imo, still think it was a coup when we signed hm

    De Jong being fit will help a lot (if that happens) a midfielder higher up the pitch with some intelligence or moving Cabella inside and having wingers making themselves available

  • 117 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:19 PM

    Sooooo, ermm hey guys. Im new to this site. I have read for a couple of weeks and decided that i really want to discuss newcastle united with fellow fans considering that there arent any newcastle fans around my area. 🙂

  • 118 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:20 PM

    WWSBRD think we need some wingers tho lol

  • 119 JamesToon // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:21 PM

    @EDS_Amy: Paul Simpson agrees deal to work on backroom staff with Steve McClaren at Newcastle United #nufc

  • 120 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:25 PM


    I thought he’d knocked us back

    It’s hard to keep up with, nearly as many coaches as players touted

  • 121 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:25 PM

    Think we need a lot of things mate

    Though in all honesty the team overall is a solid PL team that was proven last season only thing that brought about our downfall was not having a manager
    That squad were told u dont have a manager until the summer, uve got Carver who thinks hes got a chance at the job but we all know that wont happen

  • 122 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:27 PM

    Young magpie

    Welcome to the blog, I’m kinda new here myself. Feel free to jump in with any thoughts or views you may have.

  • 123 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:28 PM

    fair point but we do need some upgrades though

  • 124 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:31 PM

    Oh yeah we need a lot of upgrades to be really competitive but I dont think NUFC wants that, they want to be a solid PL team

    In order to do that we need a CB and a striker

  • 125 Ron Knee // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:33 PM

    From yesterday’s Chronic:

  • 126 hibbit // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:34 PM

    james toon were you got that from

  • 127 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:34 PM

    The worst ever EPL NUFC team

    We could have hours of fun with this, there’s a few in our current squad pushing for places in that 11

  • 128 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:36 PM

    OP just read that it is so true and there is a few we could add in current squad.

    I’d say we need at least 2 CB

  • 129 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:37 PM

    Just had a look through that and the page on Kuqi is guff imo and rather exposing of who ever wrote it

  • 130 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:39 PM

    Id say Colo is still an alright defender when partnered with someone decent, Saylor is good when fit, Willo is a good back up player and then u have the lad from Lascelles coming in

    1 first team CB there and we will probably finish between 8-16 depending on form and luck

  • 131 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:39 PM


    I thought he’d knocked us back to be a manager in his own right.

  • 132 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:42 PM


    Didn’t read them just looked at the pic to see who was there.
    There was a couple on the list who aren’t as bad as a current few we have.

    I’ll go back and read it saying I posted it 😉

  • 133 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:43 PM

    Thanks for the welcome Pootle 🙂

    Anyone else a bit concerned that the club hasn’t learned its lesson yet? I know its early days but i thought that we should be one of the first teams to make a signing considering our current state.

  • 134 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:46 PM

    Haha fair enough mate the Kuqi one doesnt sit well with me

    and Id say our defense were noticeably better when Sol was in the squad (not playing but coaching and training with them)

  • 135 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:46 PM

    no that was Steve Round that said that

  • 136 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:47 PM

    It was good to see the Enland and Canadian women teams win their round of 16 matches. Now they play each other. A tough one for me. 😀

  • 137 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:48 PM

    U sure ur not one of them multi accounts…? I’ll be keeping my eye on u!

    Haha nar welcome to the fun, as for ur post if u look at how many players the club has who need to be registered to play in the PL Id say thats why we haven’t bought yet, we need to flog before we beg

  • 138 Oldgit1 // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:48 PM

    Op that was round

  • 139 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    Shefki Kuqi! Boom, boom, boom boom boom!
    Are we bringing back Kuqi and Sol Campbell to play then? It’s about time we had an upgrade!! Huzzah!!!

  • 140 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    Fill yer boots young man. Welcome to the asylum.

  • 141 Tsunki // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:50 PM

    Ahem. Young mag. Never assume….

  • 142 Pootle2118 // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:50 PM


    There is a few names we could all come up with for places on that list. I’d definitely have to say Mike Hooper was a solid starter for keeper on that list

  • 143 Ron Knee // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:51 PM

    You’re thinking of Steve Round.

  • 144 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:51 PM


    Steve the merry go round

    To many names to many knock backs


    Ye, just read it. I know what you mean.
    I rember watching them all and even Marcelino doesn’t fill me with rage like Boumsong.
    What a pile of 5hite and his CB partner Bramble wasn’t much better.
    It’s hard to say who’s worse those two or Colo and Willo.

  • 145 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:51 PM

    If we could convince Sol to set down and future major of London Id have him coaching our defence no problem

    Kuqi can come for a drink with me anytime, maybe not employ him again though

  • 146 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:51 PM

    Yes! Ohhhhh yes WWSBRD mate! We can finish 16th next season and by God if Lee and Mike have anything to do with it we will!! Huzzah!!!!

  • 147 hibbit // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:52 PM

    wwsbrd have you not watched or cb for a few years taylors is good……when fit ha ha the man’s a liability ………colo goes absent in most games and then has his winter brake ……..big mike would not get in a lot of championship teams cannot head the ball and to slow…….. lascelles the jurys out

  • 148 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:52 PM


    Sorry I put tfl
    To many Schteeves

  • 149 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:54 PM

    Colo has had some skill all along optimate but left with Willo it was always going to be a disaster. He needed a proper partner and now he’s getting past it. We need 2 new CB’s to go with Lascelles. Saylor is hopeless with his injury record. The team needs huge changes but McLaren can’t even find a decent assistant to come in. The pros have sussed Mike good and proper I’m afraid.

  • 150 Ron Knee // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:54 PM

    So many rejections you lose track!

  • 151 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:55 PM

    Sol would have played more for us, but he kept getting injuries. Our pitch must have been RACIST! 😀

  • 152 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:55 PM

    Fong them all I say! Fong the management and most of the players! Fong their relatives!

  • 153 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:57 PM


    I would argue that Saylor would be usesless WITHOUT his injury record!

  • 154 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:57 PM

    This is no time to be faint of heart. If you recognize one of them in the streets fong him!!!

  • 155 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:57 PM


    Multi-account? I have been reading but only vaguely since i just finished my first year at college today, is it something i need to be aware of?

    Yes, i guess that is a legitimate reason for not signing anyone. Must be hard selling the likes of Obertan and co… But that’s what happens when you give these players contracts that teams that are at there level cant afford. Really hope we get rid of the deadwood.

  • 156 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:58 PM


    That has made me think of a new club name…

    Fongworthy UTD

  • 157 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:58 PM

    You might be right YCMIU mate but Saylor could at least score a few at one time from corners. And he had some presence on the pitch. But his legs are made of glass. Get him a nice wheelie chair and push him around the pitch. He would still do better than Willo! 😆

  • 158 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:58 PM

    The club would be happy with 16th

    I dont like Saylor Id happily ship him out and bring in a decent CB but the club rate him. And when hes fit and plays alongside Colo they are a pretty good partnership

    Id still say Willo is a solid 4th choice CB only reason why so many NUFC fans dislike him is because people see him as a starter, if he played less than 10 games people would be happy to have him in the squad

  • 159 GeordieTwo // Jun 23, 2015 at 5:59 PM

    Yes! I like it! Or We’repongen FC!

  • 160 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:00 PM

    Who was Souness managing when he signed George Weahs cousin (lol)?

    Wasn’t it the mackems who bought the wrong player after watching him on youtube? Gomes or something

  • 161 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:01 PM


    Let’s not talk about girls 😉

  • 162 WWSBRD // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM

    Haha dont worry bud was just having a laugh. There is a few on here who have more than one account…its an annoying trait some seem to have but am not accusing u….yet haha

    I dont disagree regarding the squad there are very few I would be upset to lose infact only 3 Perez, Janmaat and Cabella

  • 163 optimistic prime // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    Fist pumper will never be sold, he’s here until he retires or I spot him whilst I’m driving.

  • 164 hibbit // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:05 PM

    op…….. steve round ruled himself out want’s to manage his own club……….. simpson wanted the job met Mc and agreed to take the job on the sunday met charnley on the monday and turned the contract down …very low wage half the wage derby were paying him

  • 165 mickalfas // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:16 PM

    Hopefully this Steve black gets on board before preseason ,otherwise we might have the usual suspects out injured long term again,if they’ve recovered

  • 166 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 23, 2015 at 6:24 PM

    You seem to be saying you don’t know much and nobody can know much and therefore harsh criticism of Carr is unwarranted because he could largely be blameless if the true facts were known. I see you haven’t attempted to answer my questions. Perhaps, you don’t know how to. I also note you don’t know my stance on Ashley and have got it wrong.

    To answer you, the buck stops with Ashley IMO. He knows nothing about football, put together a dog’s breakfast of a set up, and appointed the wrong men to fill the posts he created. He doesn’t care enough about the club to run it as the fans would rightly expect it to be run.

    My arguments against the anti-Ashley brigade are simply that he’s not as bad as our previous owners. Even if the fans owned the club, they’d have to make profits and therefore run the club along similar lines. Ashley is portrayed as the devil and all his works as satanic. Misinformation is peddled in order to traduce him. When the truth is bad enough, there’s no need to make stuff up. AO want rid but have no plan because they’ve got no one to take over. There’s no point in supporting just any old buyer, who could be 10 times worse. And relegation, which is what some so called fans wanted, (you?) wouldn’t have achieved anything other than to set the club back years.

    Ashley has recognised he’s made errors and the new set up looks much better. But it still doesn’t look great and IMO incompetent personnel remain in charge. But give them a chance for gods’ sakes. It’s unrealistic to expect instant signings. They’ve wasted enough money in the past by overpaying for bum players. Let them take their time to negotiate and see what they come up with. I might be pleasantly surprised, but I doubt it. Perhaps that’s Scottoon’s point. Let see what happens under the new set up. If so, I agree with him.

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