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Newcastle Bid For Bas Dost Nowhere Near Wolfsburg Valuation

10:34 pm, Monday, June 29th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 61 Comments

Wolfsburg Sporting Director Klaus Allofs at Bundesliga club Wolfsburg has given his opinion on the Newcastle offer for one of our top targets Bas Dost – and it looks like Newcastle are going about their business a sin the past by putting in very low bids – and sometimes the bid is so low that they start to lose credibility with the selling team.

That may have happened with our offer for Bas Dost, and Klaus Allofs has talked to SoccerNews and what he’s said doesn’t sound too good for Newcastle, and he compares the Newcastle offer to Liverpool’s offer for Roberto Firmino which was a massive £29M and successful:

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Bas Dost – compared to Roberto Firmino – who went for £29M

This is what Klaus Allofs has said:

“I read lump sum payments from €10M to €12M  (£8.5M) for Bas, but then I refer to Roberto Firmino’s example and say they will have to get used to higher amounts if any club really wants to buy Dost.”

Brazilian International Firmino wasn’t really worth £29M but that’s what Liverpool were willing to pay – maybe because they are getting close to £50M for Raheem Sterling from Manchester City.

Roberto only scored 7 goals in 33 games last season but Dost was much more successful with 16 goals in 21 league games.

But there’s no way 26 year-old Dost is worth anywhere near £29M – and if that’s what Wolfsburg want for him then forget it – we should be signing Charlie Austin for £15M as our next step – and do that as soon as we can.

And pay the full £15M for him.

But that may be difficult now with Charlie on honeymoon,  but what have we been doing these last three weeks?

The problem in transfers for Premier League clubs nowadays is that they will be asked huge sums by selling clubs, because they are well aware of the vast amounts the clubs get – such as the £78M we received at the end of May.

And at the start of next season – August next year – those amounts rise by a massive 70%.

Newcastle maybe could have bid more than the 12M (£8.5M) they bid last week — but he’s not worth £15M – if that – given what Austin is on sale for.

If something approaching £29M is the fee Wolfsburg want for Dost  – then it’s even more reason we should be tying up the deal for the QPR striker.

But we don’t believe £29M is the amount, but they want more for Dost than he’s really worth, because they got lucky with Firmino.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.

Tags: Newcastle News · Recruitment · Scouting Network · Transfer News and Rumours · Transfer Target

61 responses so far ↓

  • 1 WWSBRD // Jun 29, 2015 at 10:36 PM

    Shut up Wolfsburg we will pay u what we want and ull bleeding well like it!

  • 2 WWSBRD // Jun 29, 2015 at 10:37 PM

    No respect I tells ya!

  • 3 musomag // Jun 29, 2015 at 10:39 PM

    Both strikers would be great, especially if Cisse is going. My preference would be Austin as he’s proved he can do the job in this league and has attracted so many Shearer comparisons over the past few seasons

  • 4 WWSBRD // Jun 29, 2015 at 10:41 PM

    Shearer comparisons? Think u got the wrong English striker for that bud

  • 5 musomag // Jun 29, 2015 at 10:45 PM

    Been reading about them drawing similarities on here for a few years now, Shearer himself seems to think CA’s the man for the job

  • 6 Belfast // Jun 29, 2015 at 10:48 PM

    Apologies If I’m wrong Muso. I’m deeply suspicious of nearly everybody at the moment to be honest.

  • 7 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 29, 2015 at 10:52 PM


    I’m more confused with YoungMagpie

  • 8 Belfast // Jun 29, 2015 at 10:53 PM

    It’s been a long time from I floated down great Victoria Street muso.

    I quit the disco biscuits manymoons ago.

  • 9 lesh // Jun 29, 2015 at 10:53 PM

    Repost from previous

    Ah, it’s Monday and bids are being reported.

    So, does that mean that friend Charnley has really been on holiday while other clubs are signing up players and he’s now thinking about buying players we so desperately need?

    If he has been away, he ought to be sacked!

  • 10 WWSBRD // Jun 29, 2015 at 10:54 PM

    I’ve barely seen Austins name mentioned in the same sentence as Shearer if am honest. And wor Alan is more keen to join the Kane bandwagon…although admittedly his face tells a different story when he’s met with the “Harry Kane looks just like u used to, don’t talk think?” Question

  • 11 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 29, 2015 at 10:55 PM


    Charmlesss shoulda been sacked already

  • 12 WWSBRD // Jun 29, 2015 at 10:55 PM

    I say don’t trust anyone! Not even yourselves! Certainly not Belfast though

  • 13 musomag // Jun 29, 2015 at 10:58 PM

    Belfast that’s absolutely fair enough mate, I get that 100%.
    I admit I’ve had banter over the past few years but also being from your neck of the woods I use humour as a coping mechanism….unfortunately not everyone gets it.

  • 14 NezzaNUFC // Jun 29, 2015 at 11:04 PM

    New financial year is around the corner, then we will see some action.

    Bas Dost! I only hope we pull out of this deal

  • 15 Belfast // Jun 29, 2015 at 11:04 PM

    It’s just the general goings on here at the moment mate. I wouldn’t take offence about it. The star of the show has many personalities some nice, some not so nice it’s hard to keep up. Lol

  • 16 Belfast // Jun 29, 2015 at 11:07 PM

    I agree Wwsbrd don’t trust anybody especially not me lol

  • 17 musomag // Jun 29, 2015 at 11:13 PM

    I understand and I’m intrigued as to what’s been going on…but I’ll try to ignore it and hope a few quality signings will shock everyone into football mode.

    BTW – I still like floating out of the Crown after a few too many when I’m back, why change the habit of a lifetime?

  • 18 banjax // Jun 29, 2015 at 11:15 PM

    The value of a player is based on who is willing to pay the money. You can’t blame Newcastle for resisting paying stupid money for average players whose goals could dry up in a flash. He is not worth over £20m and Newcastle would be bloody stupid to pay it !

  • 19 Belfast // Jun 29, 2015 at 11:21 PM

    I enjoy posting on here like and can normally deal with the multiples. Their only really annoying when abusive in my opinion.

    The author of the blog needs to sort the abusive ones out.

    The other blog doesn’t have this problem for a reason: They ban their Ip address so they can’t returm.

    Ed should be doing the same thing.

  • 20 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 29, 2015 at 11:27 PM


    Sounds like a cracking idea

  • 21 musomag // Jun 29, 2015 at 11:32 PM


  • 22 Lindisfarne // Jun 29, 2015 at 11:34 PM

    Here is one for the Midnight Tokers:

    Think of some categories and sort out the players we have been linked with –

    Abdennour Aymen (Monaco) Defender

    Aubameyang Pierre-Emerick (Borussia Dortmund) Striker

    Austin Charlie (QPR) Striker

    Ayew Andre (Marseille) Winger ***SIGNED FOR SWANSEA 10 JUNE

    Bacca Carlos (Sevilla) Striker

    Ba Demba (Besiktas) Striker

    Bamford Patrick (Chelsea) Striker

    Beck Andreas (Hoffenheim) Defender

    Berahino Saido (West Brom) Striker

    Berisha Veton (Viking) Striker

    Bolasie Yannick (Crystal Palace) Winger

    Byram Sam (Leeds) Defender

    Cabaye Yohan (PSG) Midfielder

    Carroll Andy (West Ham) Striker

    Chester James (Hull) Defender

    Cissako Yarouba (Monaco) Defender

    Cleverley Tom(Manchester United) Midfielder ***SIGNED FOR EVERTON 5 JUNE

    Cole Ashley (AS Roma) Defender

    Concha David (Racing Santander) Winger

    Cousins Jordan (Charlton) Midfielder

    Dawson Craig (West Brom) Defender

    Deeney Troy (Watford) Striker

    Denayer Jason (Manchester City) Defender

    Dost Bas (Wolfsburg) Striker

    Downing Stewart (West Ham) Winger

    Dunk Lewis (Brighton) Defender

    Elmohamady Ahmed (Hull) Winger

    Fer Leroy (QPR) Midfielder

    Fox Morgan (Charlton) Defender

    Furlong Darnell (QPR) Defender

    Gameiro Kevin (Sevilla) Striker

    Gignac Andre-Pierre (Marseille) Striker ***SIGNED FOR TIGRES UANL 18 JUNE

    Ginnelly Josh (Shrewsbury) Winger

    Gomez Joe (Charlton) Defender ***SIGNED FOR LIVERPOOL 20 JUNE

    Heaton Tom (Burnley) Goalkeeper

    Hernandez Abel (Hull) Striker

    Hughes Will (Derby) Midfielder

    Ighalo Odion (Watford) Striker

    Ince Tom (Hull) Winger

    Ings Danny (Burnley) Striker ***SIGNED FOR LIVERPOOL 8 JUNE

    Juanmi (Malaga) Striker ***SIGNED FOR SOUTHAMPTON 17 JUNE

    Kante Ngolo (Caen) Midfielder

    Keogh Richard (Derby) Defender

    Konate Moussa (FC Sion) Striker

    Konoplyanka Yehven (Dnipro) Winger

    Krejci Ladislav (Sparta Prague) Winger

    Lambert Rickie (Liverpool) Striker

    Lingard Jesse (Manchester United) Midfielder

    Matip Joel (Schalke) Defender

    Mbemba Chancel (Anderlecht) Defender

    McClean James (Wigan) Winger ***SIGNED FOR WEST BROM 22 JUNE

    Mere Jorge (Sporting Gijon) Defender

    Mings Tyrone (Ipswich) Defender ***SIGNED FOR BOURNEMOUTH 26 JUNE

    Mitrovic Aleksandar (Anderlecht) Striker

    N’Doye Dame (Hull) Striker

    Pato Alexandre (Sao Paolo) Striker

    Payet Dimitri (Marseille) Midfielder ***SIGNED FOR WEST HAM 26 JUNE

    Pedranza Alfonso (Villarreal) Winger

    Promes Quincy (Spartak Moscow) Winger

    Ramirez Sandro (Barcelona) Striker

    Remy Loic (Chelsea) Striker

    Richards Micah (Manchester City) ***SIGNED FOR ASTON VILLA 17 JUNE

    Rhodes Jordan (Blackburn) Striker

    Rolan Diego (Bordeaux) Striker

    Sakho Diafra (West Ham) Striker

    Sako Bakary (Wolves) Winger

    Sam Sidney (Shalke) Striker

    Sanson Morgan (Montpellier) Midfielder

    Schar Fabian (Basel) Defender

    Sepe Luigi (Napoli) Goalkeeper

    Thauvin Florian (Marseille) Winger

    Townsend Andros (Tottenham) Winger

    Van Ginkel Marco (Chelsea) Midfielder

    Veltman Joel (Ajax) Defender

    Wass Daniel (Evian) Midfielder

    Wijnaldum Georginio (PSV) Midfielder

    Wilson James (Manchester United) Striker

    I would probably go with:

    1) Agents pushing up potential price
    2) Stalking Horse
    3) Too good
    4) Too bad (please no)
    5) Too expensive
    6) End of contract
    7) Injury prone

  • 23 Lindisfarne // Jun 29, 2015 at 11:36 PM

    Those categories are in order of rising potential of possible transfer to NUFC.

  • 24 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 29, 2015 at 11:44 PM

    is Thauvin worth £14 million?

    I’d prefer Matt Phillips and he’d be much cheaper

  • 25 mactoon // Jun 29, 2015 at 11:46 PM

    He mentioned 8.5 million for dost and if that’s what we have offered he is 100% correct it should be higher. If the club value him at 10-15 million.. JUST PAY IT!!! Same with Austin. Stop messing about with our clubs future and pay the club’s valuation given the profit we have made so far otherwise we haven’t learned a thing from last season’s debacle and the whole board should be removed as they are not fit for purpose

  • 26 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 29, 2015 at 11:47 PM

    It seems extremely awkward to post now… But here goes,

    I’m really surprised that the club haven’t announced the arrival of Cathro yet, they must be announcing the whole staff together. Hopefully that’s tomorrow!!

    Really happy with that signing though, it’s nice to have a change from the usual, should influence the squad positively.

  • 27 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 29, 2015 at 11:50 PM


    Matty Phillips? I agree with that, he looked good last season.

  • 28 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 29, 2015 at 11:54 PM


    Phillips is quick powerful and strong, would take him anyday

  • 29 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 29, 2015 at 11:57 PM


    I agree if we are seriously after Austin then pay what is required but don’t want dost

  • 30 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 29, 2015 at 11:59 PM

    The reason I would choose Phillips over Thauvin is that he has shown that he can perform well in the premier league, he is also English, and will cost considerably less.

  • 31 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 30, 2015 at 12:00 AM

    nearly YMFB he;s Scottish lol

  • 32 mickalfas // Jun 30, 2015 at 12:03 AM

    Dream on ,the tap in king
    Not good enough !
    Austin,Mitrovic, Perez and Cisse as our 4 CF’s

  • 33 soundoid // Jun 30, 2015 at 12:04 AM

    Why the hell can’t we pay the asking price for players. Yeah haggle but if we want them at the club we should pay the going rate.

    We are not skint.

    We’ll get a shit load more cash next season.

    Playing the game of maximum profits as opposed to league position hasn’t done us any good over the past 4 years.

    Spend the cash create a buzz about the place. We are not a pound shop. We are a premium brand thats been devalued. Splash the cash Ash.

  • 34 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jun 30, 2015 at 12:11 AM


    Oh dear haha it’s late 😉 well that’s my excuse anyway!!

    He will cost even less then, sign him up !

  • 35 expatmag // Jun 30, 2015 at 12:46 AM


    Phillips is actually English. Born in Aylesbury. He is a scottish international by virtue of grand parentage

  • 36 leonado_keng // Jun 30, 2015 at 2:14 AM

    Board of newcastle and Mike, you should show your ambitions and intentions to success much more than existing ?, you have a lot money but you not to close to your target at all

  • 37 ToonFromLeeds // Jun 30, 2015 at 2:20 AM

    I know that but in football he is classed as Scottish as he represents them

  • 38 expatmag // Jun 30, 2015 at 3:13 AM

    Guus Hiddink gas resigned as Hollands manager.

    If Ashley had any sense, he should immediately appoint him to the DOF role and appoint him to the board.

  • 39 willowdalerez // Jun 30, 2015 at 3:36 AM

    Wolfsburg wants more… fair enough question is at what point does it just make sense to buy Austin instead? Both were great last season. My temptation is to lean towards Austin because of his English experience but both would meet our need for a striker I just hope we don’t lose out on both because of underbidding!

  • 40 lesh // Jun 30, 2015 at 4:26 AM


    Of course Hiddink would be an assert ay the Club but are you certain that good sense and Ashley are a natural fit?

    Ashley’s track record of appointments have been questionable to say the least.

  • 41 cyprus // Jun 30, 2015 at 6:23 AM

    What I used to admire about Arsenal is that they’d dig up talent after talent where nobody else seemed to be looking, at excellent prices.

    This has come under criticism recently and they have responded by buying bigger names, often actually failing.

    But, I admire the ‘old’ model. That Wenger and his team are tops. Take note Steve and Carr.

  • 42 Ron Knee // Jun 30, 2015 at 6:44 AM

    Perhaps Cathro could be the source of some ‘hidden gems’?

  • 43 will die for the toon army // Jun 30, 2015 at 6:49 AM

    Matty Phillips nice one. Charlie Austin and Keepe Cisse.

    Austin will have another no. Cisse has done well with it. Top scorer for all e seasons he has been around. Thats good enough for me.

  • 44 Jib // Jun 30, 2015 at 6:55 AM

    Klaus Allofs is being a bit silly comparing Firmino to Das Bost
    Firmino has nearly as many goals and he’s a midfielder !
    Firmino compared to de Bruyne would be more sensible
    Incidentally Das Bost only had such a good last season because of de Bruyne’s skill.
    As Mickalfas says he was the “tap in” King.
    He’s just another Luuk de Jong.

  • 45 will die for the toon army // Jun 30, 2015 at 6:55 AM

    We have never expressed interest in Matty Phillips so hopes r low for signing him.

  • 46 Slank // Jun 30, 2015 at 6:55 AM

    It’s all about the art of buying and selling.

    We start low. They start high. Both meet in the middle.

    Wolfsburg must want to sell Dost because they haven’t come out with a firm ‘hands off, he is not for sale’. Instead they said the offer was too low.

    They also know that Newcastle are looking at other targets and as such could walk away from Dost.

    It’s the job of the selling manager to protest and stamp his feet to show to the fans and his board that he protects the club and wants to get the best deal.

    Unfortunately for Dost any public utterances will unsettle him and the grass will start to look a lot greener in the Premiership where many of his national team mates now ply their trade.

  • 47 Bambams // Jun 30, 2015 at 6:59 AM

    It’s possible via our link with Sir Les we are aware Austin does not want to come. Just a suggestion

  • 48 Slank // Jun 30, 2015 at 7:06 AM


    Could also be that he does want to come ?.

    Sir Les’s obligations are with QPR first and foremost.

  • 49 Jib // Jun 30, 2015 at 7:08 AM

    Meanwhile the stories get sillier

    This one (from Senegal) reckons Seville who are about to lose Bacca to the SerieA , will look to replace him with the 30 year old Cisse !!!

  • 50 will die for the toon army // Jun 30, 2015 at 7:10 AM

    Backroom staff. Why did Woodman stay?

  • 51 will die for the toon army // Jun 30, 2015 at 7:11 AM

    Cise our No. 9 is staying

  • 52 Jib // Jun 30, 2015 at 7:18 AM

    A post to please Mr Tuff

  • 53 will die for the toon army // Jun 30, 2015 at 7:24 AM

    Wat the hell is happening at NUFC?
    Am losing hope in Lee Charnely, Carr, Moncur and Mcclaren.

    The so called Football board. No backroom staff No Players.

  • 54 will die for the toon army // Jun 30, 2015 at 7:25 AM

    Next week has become Next week

  • 55 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 30, 2015 at 7:35 AM

    So three weeks down the line we still don’t have a back room staff and we are not closer to a signing!

    …just imagine Derby released McClaren on June 25th because of our interests and we probably had an agreement with him already in place.

    All this is more than a month ago. This is transfer season where clubs move quickly to get their house in order – especially if they are in our situation!

    The biggest joke here is that we are actually trying to sign up McClaren’s old Derby backroom staff where most has been released any way and the rest are without a club!

    This simple task seems to be too big for us! I have said before what a joke Charmless was and that nothing would really change by appointing someone like Steve!

  • 56 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jun 30, 2015 at 7:36 AM

    *May 25th

  • 57 Jib // Jun 30, 2015 at 7:40 AM

    will die
    The vast majority of summer contracts to be ended , terminate today.
    Although many free agents like Gerard and Milner have sorted out their futures well in advance.
    A lot more are playing their cards closer to their chests
    Expect a flurry of activity from tomorrow onwards .

  • 58 Jib // Jun 30, 2015 at 7:42 AM

    May the 25th is Argentinian independence day.
    I told you my head is jammed with useless crap

  • 59 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 30, 2015 at 7:45 AM

    I’d say the vast majority worth getting have either already been got, or have been negotiating for weeks already with clubs. There aren’t many that would be particularly appealing to our model of transfers. The only one I can think of that I’d like here is the Peruvian, Zambrano. Out of contract at Frankfurt, he may have already gone as well mind, but I don’t remember seeing anything on that.

  • 60 Jib // Jun 30, 2015 at 7:57 AM

    I disagree with Jesper
    I think there has been a lot of politicking behind the scenes with one faction (the current incumbents) wanting rid of Pardew and replacing him with SM for a long time maybe as long as 2 or more years.
    The first step was getting rid of Llambias who resigned 19 June 2013
    I offer the buying of the 2 Forest lads (who both started their careers under McClaren) last summer as evidence of this .
    In a business as complex and enormous as a Premier League football club , palace revolutions are rarely overnight.

  • 61 musomag // Jun 30, 2015 at 9:49 AM


    I agree about the old Arsenal model, Wenger & Co consistently unearthed gems and developed them into world class footballers and it’s a shame to see him under pressure to spend big money nowadays. Didn’t Henry arrive as a winger before thriving under Wengers guidance and becoming the clubs greatest ever striker?

    We’ve definitely had our share of gems but with the wrong management and coaching staff they never realised their potential, in fact they often get worse. McClaren & Carr have a great opportunity to show what they can do with raw talent. Needless to say when players do begin to shine we need to fight to hold on to them not sell to the highest bidder.

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