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Newcastle Transfer Target Priced Far Too High

9:58 am, Thursday, July 2nd, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 132 Comments

The Mirror are reporting today that West Ham want around £8M for their midfielder Stewart Downing, and that’s a lot of money given that Stewart turns 31 on July 22nd.

With Newcastle’s former policies in the transfer market,  there would be no chance of the club bringing Stewart in – whatever the price.

stewart downing

Stewart Downing – turns 31 later this month

But these days Newcastle need more experience in the squad and are said to be willing to sign older player.

They also want more Englishmen in the squad and Stewart meets both those criteria – but there’s no way West Ham will get £8M for him.

The news is that new West Ham manager Slaven Bilic has told Stewart to look for a new club this summer as he tries to reshape the squad, and he has recently brought in Marseilles’ Dimitri Payet for £10.6M.

A number of clubs have been linked with Downing already, including all three north-east clubs – Newcastle, Sunderland and Middlesbrough – where he started his career coming through their famous Youth Academy.

The other link with Newcastle is his former boss Steve McClaren at Middlesbrough is now on Tyneside as the new head coach, and it was Steve who gave Downing his debut for Middlesbrough back in April of 2002 at Ipswich Town, when Stewart was 17.

So it’s not impossible we could sign Stewart – but not for £8M.

In his two years at the Hammers he played 74 times and scored 7 goals and showed some good form.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.

Tags: Pre-season · Premier League · Recruitment · Scouting Network · Transfer News and Rumours

132 responses so far ↓

  • 1 jimbo // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:05 AM

    Don’t want him.

  • 2 ToonFromLeeds // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:06 AM

    BREAKING: Sky Sources: Tottenham to hold talks with Atletico Madrid over move for Tony Alderweireld. #SSNHQ

  • 3 Pottsclock // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:12 AM

    Please no, no…NO to Downing.
    Surely just bullsh*t

  • 4 mickalfas // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    31 ,Next !!
    We’re rumoured to be getting rid of Cisse on age grounds ffs!!

  • 5 PJR09 // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:15 AM

    Not at any price – steer clear

  • 6 nufc_eire // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:15 AM

    No. Just no

  • 7 Toon-Barmy // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:17 AM

    Just did a quick review of our current squad and it looks as though we really do need to sell before we buy in this transfer window. We currently have 28 over-age players in the squad, including Sammy Ameobi who hasn’t signed his contract offer yet.
    That means we need to ship at least four players out before we can register a single new player. If we really want to bring in six new players then we need to ship out at least nine of the over-age players from the list below as I can’t see MA paying wages to players who aren’t eligible to play.

    NUFC Over-Age Players:

    GK: Tim Krul (27)
    GK: Karl Darlow (24)
    GK: Rob Elliot (29)
    RB: Daryl Janmaat (26)
    CB: Fabricio Coloccini (33)
    CB: Mike Williamson (31)
    CB: Steven Taylor (29)
    CB: Jamaal Lascelles (21)
    CB: Curtis Good (22)
    LB: Paul Dummett (23)
    LB: Massadio Haidara (22)
    CM: Moussa Sissoko (26)
    CM: Jack Colback (25)
    CM: Cheick Tiote (29)
    CM: Vurnon Anita (26)
    CM: Sylvain Marveaux (29)
    CM: Mehdi Abeid (23)
    CM: Gael Bigirimana (21)
    AM: Siem De Jong (26)
    AM: Remy Cabella (25)
    AM: Haris Vuckic (23)
    RM: Gabriel Obertan (26)
    LM: Sammy Ameobi (23)
    LM: Yoan Gouffran (29)
    LM: Shane Ferguson (24)
    CF: Papiss Cisse (30)
    CF: Emmanuel Rivière (25)
    CF: Ayoze Perez (22)

    Contracted Under 21’s:

    GK: Freddie Woodman (18)
    RB: Kevin Mbabu (20)
    RB: Jamie Sterry (19)
    CB: Lubomir Satka (19)
    CB: Macauley Gillesphey (19)
    RM: Rolando Aarons (19)
    RM: Dan Barlaser (18)
    CM: Olivier Kemen (19)
    CM: Liam Smith (19)
    LM: Callum Roberts (18)
    CF: Alex Gilliead (19)
    CF: Adam Armstrong (18)
    CF: Tom Heardman (19)

    Players Out:

    Facundo Ferreyra – Free
    Jonas Gutierrez – Free
    Ryan Taylor – Free
    Jak Alnwick – Free
    Adam Campbell – Free
    Remie Streete – Free
    Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa – £5.5million
    Davide Santon – £2.8million

  • 8 Ibizatoon // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:17 AM

    Old, expensive, and not that great, in fact, fairly average really.

    I say we really push the boat out on this one.

    I wonder is this was one of the names that really excited Carver a few months back. Sounded like some list.

  • 9 mickalfas // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:19 AM

    Just think what a team we could have had out of all the targets we’ve been linked with,champions league ?
    With Ashley at the helm there’smore chance of the cchampionship

  • 10 nufc_eire // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:20 AM

    I’d happily sell any/all of these

    GK: Rob Elliot (29)
    CB: Fabricio Coloccini (33)
    CB: Mike Williamson (31)
    CB: Steven Taylor (29)
    CB: Curtis Good (22)
    CM: Cheick Tiote (29)
    CM: Vurnon Anita (26)
    CM: Sylvain Marveaux (29)
    CM: Mehdi Abeid (23)
    CM: Gael Bigirimana (21)
    AM: Haris Vuckic (23)
    RM: Gabriel Obertan (26)
    LM: Sammy Ameobi (23)
    LM: Yoan Gouffran (29)
    LM: Shane Ferguson (24)
    CF: Papiss Cisse (30)

  • 11 Ibizatoon // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:20 AM

    Barmy…There is absolutely no need to sell before we buy. The only half argument is that we need to sell before we register our 25 man squad.

  • 12 nut meg // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:21 AM

    Ayew was only 5m (?)

  • 13 Mr Magpie // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    In the unlikely scenario that they agree a fee with the selling club for players, it is then that they will need to really up their game to convince a player to come.

    Charnley & the footballing board will really need to either sell the club & the project to potential new signings or offer far better wages than the other teams competing for that coveted signature.

    Looking at the clubs we appear to now be against for our supposed targets both Southampton & West Ham are in European competition & alongside the likes of Swansea,Sunderland & Villa from reports are all offering higher wages than we are…so much for punching above our weight!!

  • 14 Tsunki // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:27 AM

    Who is the source for this story? Are they just trying to wind us up? Downing is the sort of player the club should break it’s silence and issue a statement about, specifically to say it’s complete rubbish. Why on earth would we have wanted him five years ago even?

  • 15 Kris // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    @ nut meg
    Ayew was a free agent

  • 16 jayphoto // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Don’t know why the press even bother to link us with players over the age of 28! Especially when theres a transfer fee involved….
    Hoping the board are just doing their business discreetly and behind closed doors but it looks worrying, its July now….

  • 17 Mr Magpie // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    Nut Meg/ Kris
    Ayew was a free agent but it is rumoured he received a 5m signing on fee from Swansea alongside upwards of 70k wages according to various reports in the press.

  • 18 Ibizatoon // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    Tsunki…Good joke there.

    “the club should break it’s silence and issue a statement about”

    Ha ha, that one is going to have me laughing for most of the day. If the story had containted something negative about SD, then maybe you’d get a club response.

    Anyway, there is a fans forum meet soon – stop being so damn impatient. They’ll get to it, they’re busy ya know!

  • 19 Tsunki // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:33 AM

    If the club wanted to show intent on the transfer front, they would have first been busy flogging the sub par players that can’t provide backup. Then they would have the impetus to replace them quickly with better.

    It looks like the club are showing intent – to keep the majority of the squad that was do dismal last season. Tell me that they aren’t relying on Steve Macs super coaching powers to metamorphosise this rabble. Crazy

  • 20 Ibizatoon // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:34 AM

    I’ve been thinking about this “pound to pound” thing the club keep mentioning.

    Do they have some sort of giant scales they use?

    Player stands on one side, pile of cash on the other….”sorry, computer says no – no pound for pound value”.

  • 21 Ibizatoon // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:36 AM

    Tsunki…If the club wanted to show some general intent, they could have let us know what they consider were the mistakes they have learnt from.

    Was it recruitment? Was it the coaching set up?

    I still think it was the fans fault. That was fun, blaming the fans. Nice touch of class from wor club.

  • 22 Ibizatoon // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:38 AM

    I should have added that clearly they don’t think communication is something that was lacking.

    That does not fill me with much confidence.

    I think they should get old Bob on Twitter, releasing club info etc.


  • 23 jayphoto // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:38 AM

    Personally think Thauvin will be our biggest business this summer! Maybe 12m? I don’t think the club will pay more than 12m for any player. My guess is Thauvin for 12m, A striker for 9-12m, another striker for 5-8m and a centreback for around 6-8m. Total spend about 35m…. (we’ll hear that figure a lot if they do!) but they’ll offset that by selling Tiote and Cisse. (my guess for 6m and 10m meaning the net spend will be closer to 20-25m.
    They’ll also have lost Tiote’s 55k p/w, Jonas 60k p/w, Cisse 40k p/w and Ryan taylors 25k p/w wages of the wage bill. That’s Nearly 10m a year recouped….

  • 24 mickalfas // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:39 AM

    Ashley has just appointed David Blane to perform his biggest illusion to date
    That NUFC are going to really gonna try this year ,really !!

  • 25 jayphoto // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:40 AM

    @Ibizatoon – aren’t the players back on July 10th? I predict we’ll hear an Obertans on fire story midway through the USA games…. (mainly because theyre so far away the majority of the fan base won’t have watched the matches so won’t know its B.S)

  • 26 jayphoto // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:40 AM

    It’s not a NUFC summer til Gabbys on fire…..

  • 27 Ibizatoon // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:41 AM

    Jay…Don’t the club include a players wages over the duration of their contract in the transfer spend column?

    I don’t recall, but do they do the same when talking about how much they’ve sold players for?

  • 28 jayphoto // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:42 AM

    Also, apparently we’re looking at snapping up Tom Ince for next to nothing… why the hell would Hull let that happen? He’s unproven in the PL but he’s more than proven in the fizzy pop, players like him that will get them back up and he’s on pretty low wages

  • 29 Ibizatoon // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:43 AM

    Jay…Aye, Squidward loves a bit of summer time..

    Weren’t there photos released of most of the squad training yesterday?

    Maybe some are due back on the 10th, but fairly sure the majority are already back.

    First training exercise, find the hidden coaches. A bit like an easter egg hunt.

  • 30 optimistic prime // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:46 AM

    They have a friendly against Gateshead on the tenth, all players are back except the few involved with international football who’ve been given a extra few days,

    They fly to the USA a cpl days after playing the heed

  • 31 jayphoto // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:47 AM

    @Ibiza – I’m not sure. The club usually bends and publishes what ever figures suit the agenda theyre pushing at the time. For example when we signed Ba there was plenty of talk of it being a £9m signing because of wages over 3 years and signing on fees…. but when they sold Cabaye there was no mention of his 2.5m a year for the next 3 years being saved. I think they only mention it on players they sign, not players they sell.
    Rule 1 of working at Newcastle United. Don’t talk about Newcastle United.
    Rule 2 – Grossly over exaggerate any money paid out
    Rule 3 – Grossly underplay or even mention money coming in.

  • 32 jayphoto // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:49 AM

    @Ibiza – imagine if we played on the MLS calendar through the summer. Obertan would be a superstar!

  • 33 beermonkey // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:51 AM


    We have been getting rid of bigish earners for a while now and we all know we bring in cheaper option or no1 yet our wage bill never goes down

    10mill of our wage bill is huge but I bet it don’t go down

  • 34 Chris // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:51 AM

    “Weren’t there photos released of most of the squad training yesterday?”

    Yes – I posted this link on one of the earlier threads:

  • 35 Ibizatoon // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:54 AM

    OP…I’m looking forward to the Gateshead game. Is this one like a cup final? I kind of got used to all those finals at the end of the season. Dead exciting.

    Jay…Indeed 🙂

    On Obertan, you could be on to something there. I wonder what the chances of us managing to offload him the other side of the pond.

    I’m sure DokToon will help spread the word. Actually, has anyone seen Dok in a while?

  • 36 Mr Magpie // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:55 AM

    Is it just me or is anybody else concerned that with this clean slate for every player that the board are banking on McClaren being able to bring in the likes of Good, Abeid, Bigirimana, Marveaux, Vuckic etc all into contention for the first team squad.

    Leading to less players being brought in & allowing others to leave as the above mentioned players can fill the gaps in the first team squad being just like new signings.

  • 37 Ibizatoon // Jul 2, 2015 at 10:55 AM

    Chris…You are a star. Thank you for the confirmation and link.

    Did you ever clarify that link you posted to the club accounts some time back? There appeared to be 2 differing sets…one with a good chunk of money (the one you linked) and then another with even more money.

  • 38 jayphoto // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:01 AM

    @beermonkey – pretty sure Newcastle appoint an accountant spin doctor, the figures rarely make sense but with it being a private company that’s always going to be the case.

    @Ibiza – reckon the obertan summer stories come from the fact that its mainly running and conditioning work early summer. He probably looks phenomenal. He is the French Forrest Gump, bloody jet heeled aslong as he’s not got the ball. Never known a player to run like a gazelle without the ball, but with the ball it looks like hes playing with a cannonball.
    Seen a pic of Willo and Gouffran battling for the ball in training…. it’s ruined my morning. I had hoped I’d never have to see either in club clobber again

  • 39 optimistic prime // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:02 AM


    Don’t diss the Heed, I’ve watched them at the international stadium more over last 3 years than I have been to SJP to watch the toon.

    I’m not sure whether I’ll go to the friendly, if I do I’ll be in the Heed end. I’d rather they got their hands on my cash than Ashley.

  • 40 Rotonda heights // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    Why do they want more englishmen? it can’t be price to quality related. This english spine is a total myth.

    Wht’s almost as upsetting is the non – departures of willo, saylor and colo. I would release them all on frees.

  • 41 Rotonda heights // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:05 AM


    Did the heed’s previous manager before crosby was appointed get sacked? I thought he was doing ok

  • 42 lesh // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:07 AM


    No need to provide updates on other clubs’ transfer activity. It doesn’t affect us anyway as we’ve not tabled any realistic bids.

    So, let others be prodigal with their cash and we’ll show the spendthrifts like Swansea, Spurs, Liverpool et all, who’s the cleverest and best run club ever!

  • 43 jayphoto // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:11 AM

    Really interested to see what McClaren makes of a few certain players. Mainly Vuckic, Marveaux and possibly Bigirimana. I’ve always thought they looked like they could all be good players but they didn’t seem to fit with the previous 2 managers. (im not typing eithers name again)
    Interested to see Curtis Good too. Seemed to be highly thought of wherever he’s been on loan! Aussie manager seemed to take to him too before his injury! Remember us having an other aussie defender, Craig Moore. Sad state of affairs that he’s actually one of the better centrehalfs we’ve seen in the last 12 years….

  • 44 optimistic prime // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:15 AM


    I think he quit. Not sure though, I go for a day out with my pals to watch some football. I probably couldn’t name more than two of their players.

    Great day out though, it’s friendly with a great atmosphere and sing songs through out the match. It reminds me of going to SJP late 80’s without the trouble.

    I jog to the Schooner at half time for a quick pint then jog back, it’s different 🙂

  • 45 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:17 AM

    For Ibiza’s eyes only

  • 46 BandB // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:18 AM

    The reason the club isn’t putting forward the argument that it can’t buy before it sells (which would be a handy argument) is because it isn’t true.
    It would quickly be torn apart in the media.

    We can have 28 over-age players or more on our books, but we can only register a 25-man squad….when the time comes…which isn’t now.

    Yes, we will not want to over-age players outside the 25-man squad and we will be keen to get them out.

    But it isn’t true to say it prevents us signing new players.

  • 47 James RS // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:21 AM

    Its got to be a joke £8 million?…he should be closer to a free transfer at that age.

  • 48 optimistic prime // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:21 AM


    Anyone seen him linked before?

    I’d take him, just for shits and giggles

  • 49 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:22 AM

    OP…that’s a quick pint or you’re a fast jogger 😉

    Or have you mastered the walk and drink?

  • 50 Ibizatoon // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:23 AM

    OP…Diss the head? Never. I was dissing the toon. I thought I was anyway 🙂

    Jesper…There it is – the transfer PC.

    I wonder if thre fat fighters character is our head of diet and nutrition.

    “Half the cake, half the calories”

    BandB..If come the end of the window they still had too many players, it is even possible that they could just release a few of the lesser players, the ones who wont contribute and don’t really cost a lot to the squad. Mind, that would be terribly wasteful – probably best to wing it with what we’ve got. Makes better pound for pound sense.

  • 51 jayphoto // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:23 AM

    Couple of media outlets linking us to Balotelli today… be a very interesting choice…
    Think if he could be signed for under 12m he represents a shrewd gamble. For some reason (no idea why) he seems to generate a higher transfer value than he should.
    Think Man City paid 24m after he did very little at Inter. Then Milan paid the same? after he did bugger all at Man City, Then Liverpool paid 16m after he did nowt at Milan.
    If you could sign him for 12m and he has one season of 20 goals plus his value would rocket.
    Had a shocker at Liverpool but godknows why they signed him. He really didn’t fit into their style. Reckon his physical prowess might fit into ours though
    He’s behaved at Liverpool and based on technical ability alone he’s twice the footballer of Austin. The problem is extracting the ability but under the structure NUFC have surely extracting ability with top coaching and improving players is what they’re basing the business plan on?

  • 52 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:25 AM

    Ibiza…the computer says noo!

  • 53 Ibizatoon // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:26 AM

    Surely Super Mario falls short of the clubs right character policy?

    Could be a good laugh though. It’s all been pretty boring since Kinnear left us again. Sorry, got sacked for messing up our transfer business so badly…leaving Ashley furious.

  • 54 BandB // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:26 AM



    25-man squads are registered by season, on September 1, after the transfer window closes.
    We don’t even have a “squad” in the sense they are talking about while the window is open.

  • 55 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:27 AM

    I wouldn’t touch Balotelli with a barge pole!

  • 56 Ibizatoon // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:28 AM

    BandB…Still, can you blame a fan for trying to help the club out? Isn’t that what real fans do?

    It’s all good – Charnley is on the case, backed by Ashleys continued investment. I really can’t see where a problem could arise.

  • 57 BandB // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:30 AM

    I’m not sure why they feel they need a press officer Ibiza…they have hundreds.

  • 58 Ibizatoon // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:33 AM

    BandB…It’s worked for so many years now – Why would they feel a need for change?

    Just talk about possible change and let the fans run with it.

    It’s amazing that after all this charity work on the fans part that the club still have trouble affording players. It really must be a tough market place.

    Jesper…Not even to see what would happen? I’d be tempted to give him a little poke in the eye with one and then sit and wait.

  • 59 clinath@ed // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:34 AM

    It does appear, the longer this malaise goes on, that the ‘club’ is waiting to see what SM can do with the players already there. Got me hoping for a good January, and the summer sales just started… you ever get the feeling your being played…?

  • 60 optimistic prime // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:35 AM


    I’ve mastered the art of downing pints.

    I used to pre order 2 for half time at SJP so they were waiting, sometimes I’d get 3 down me if I was thirsty. The 2nd half was always interesting to see if I could get to full time without a trip to the loo.

    The jog involved at the Heed restricts my intake.

  • 61 Lindisfarne // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:36 AM

    Looking at the squad list (above) and the training photos from yesterday it makes me wonder how much of a difference Schteve (on his own!) will be able to make, will it be like a completely ‘new’ squad?

    Although the new Head Coach is supposedly renowned for organising his teams defensively, our centre backs have shown for a number of seasons how limited they are and are only regressing. P45dew could not produce a team that was balanced in attack and defense, or adequately upgrade the defenders so are the younger players coming through going to be the solution?

    Taking the whole of the back line and removing the older players that need replacing, there are nine players:
    Daryl Janmaat
    Paul Dummett
    Massadio Haidara

    Jamaal Lascelles
    Curtis Good

    Kevin Mbabu
    Jamie Sterry
    Lubomir Satka
    Macauley Gillesphey

    Janmaat, Dummett and to some extent Haidara have proven themselves in the PL, Laschelles and Good have played well in lower leagues but are of unknown quality and the last four have no experience beyond the Academy. Meaning that we only have five long term defensive prospects.

    This would indicate if there was not any transfers that at least one of Collo, Willo and Taylor will be retained and maybe in addition. However a more positive outlook maybe that at least two could be let go!

  • 62 BandB // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:36 AM


    I joked yesterday that the lists of players we need to sell would soon replace and out-number the lists of players we need to buy on the blog.

    The little keenies weren’t long in taking up the challenge.

  • 63 optimistic prime // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:37 AM

    I’d take Baloteli just to hear his crack about senior figures at SJP

    I’d love to hear what he had to say about over Lee line and the slug

  • 64 jayphoto // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:37 AM

    I really hope they don’t wait till January… because if they do we all know that unless we’re in the bottom 3 they’ll decide theres no value in January

  • 65 WWSBRD // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:37 AM

    Janmatt will keep Balotelli in line

  • 66 jayphoto // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:40 AM

    @Lindisfarne – Reckon Colo and Taylor at least will stay! Both are on wages no other club would even match 50% of. Colo’s on £80k a week….
    A fit Steven Taylor is worth having…. rarer that sascquatch tho….

  • 67 Ibizatoon // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    OP…What an amateur. Get yourself one of those beer dispensing hats and then one of those pee tanks that you strap to the inside of your leg…or a plastic bag…or however those things work.

    I’m still too young to know, maybe Jesper can enlighten me? 🙂

    BandB…You and your jokes…leading people astray.

  • 68 optimistic prime // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:43 AM


    The club had said players are back in training but Krull and Sissoko have extra time off due to internationals but no mention of Janmaat.

    Did he play in the internationals?
    Heard whispers of him to pool

  • 69 Ibizatoon // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:44 AM

    OP…Haven’t Liverpool just signed Clyne for RB?

    Surely they’re not mad enough to have 2 purples!

  • 70 optimistic prime // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:44 AM


    I’ve took cans to the Heed before, stewards didn’t like it 🙁

  • 71 optimistic prime // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:46 AM


    Yes, just whispers. You know what pool are like, they love throwing money around with no obvious plan.

    I was more interested in why Janmaat wasn’t mentioned with the other two.

    A bit like lord Chiek Lucan Tiote, has he been abducted by aliens?

  • 72 Lindisfarne // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:47 AM


    I am still, ever so slightly, hopeful that we get two central defenders and two strikers. As we have needed them forever and a day, which is plain to see and any hope of ambition will not materialise until they are brought in.

  • 73 BandB // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:49 AM


    Buy a wine box. Rip the plastic bag out. Sit it on your head. Put your Achilles helmet on. Run a tube down the nose-guard and into your mouth. Sorted.

  • 74 Lindisfarne // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:51 AM


    ….sorry. The point being, as Band B rightly points out, the club choose to put hurdles in their own path and upgrading the squad is not impossible without moving existing players on first.

  • 75 optimistic prime // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:51 AM


    I like it.

    You should have been in the A-team 🙂

  • 76 WWSBRD // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:52 AM

    No idea mate but I dont see him as a worry for leaving unless Man Utd come calling for him

    As Ibiza says Liverpool just bought a RB for 12mill I dont see them buying another one for 15-20 mill

  • 77 WWSBRD // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:52 AM

    On Balotelli I would love it if we signed him but we wont pay the wages he is on

  • 78 Ibizatoon // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:53 AM

    OP…Really? Who wouldn’t be happy with a bloke with pigtails turning up with a 6 pack to a football game? The world has gone mad…

    Tiote, didn’t he use to play for us?

  • 79 jayphoto // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:53 AM

    @lindisfarne – Yeah personally think we need 2 defenders, 2 strikers and 2 wingers… With Lascelles coming in, Coloccini and Taylor seemingly immovable and Dummett more than ample cover (not to mention we;’ve got Williamson *shudders*) I can’t see them bringing in 2
    My guess is 2 strikers, 1 defender, 1 winger and 2 or 3 younger players that aren’t ready for the first team
    If I was a gambling man I’d expect it to be Thauvin, Ausin,Matip and James Wilson on loan and maybe those 2 young Spanish lads that have trained for a week last season

  • 80 Blackley and Brownlie // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:54 AM

    Have you reported the posts from VAD to the police? They were most vile and offensive. I emailed Ed about them.

  • 81 jayphoto // Jul 2, 2015 at 11:56 AM

    @Lindisfarne – forgot to add Good in there too! Might have never played for us but he’s an Australian international.

    I’m really interested to see which player comes through under McClaren that really wasn’t fancied before. Usually under a manager you’ll find it rejuvenates someone that was terrible before. We’ve got a few that potentially could have a new lease of life : Anita, Abeid, Marveaux, Vuckic all have the technical ability to be first team under the right system

  • 82 BandB // Jul 2, 2015 at 12:00 PM

    I don’t want to discuss it on the blog further.
    I would advise anyone for their own safety to read the guidelines on abusive online communications.
    It is not a victimless crime and there are laws. And police do take them seriously if you transgress.

  • 83 WWSBRD // Jul 2, 2015 at 12:01 PM

    Since joining NUFC Good has made 15 first team apps, 1 of them being for Newcastle….thats not many and hes not that young now. I dont see it happening for him

  • 84 Mr Magpie // Jul 2, 2015 at 12:02 PM

    That to me is a concern though as it will be reasoning for them to not bring new signings in as the players rejuvenated are like new signings.

    If they bring in the new signings needed & can then get some of the overlooked players rejuvenated then great as they can’t be any worse than some from last season.

  • 85 optimistic prime // Jul 2, 2015 at 12:11 PM

    Words from Schteeeeve

  • 86 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jul 2, 2015 at 12:22 PM

    So, how many is that through the door? Doing well, eh? Lots of activity. Nice to see us trying to catch up with all that unnecesary list time………

    …….and i’m back in the room… oh dear.

  • 87 Average_Contents // Jul 2, 2015 at 12:32 PM

    Four so far mark. They even got their picture taken with shteve and everything.

    Lucky lads eh.

  • 88 BandB // Jul 2, 2015 at 12:34 PM

    Say it ain’t so. Joe.

  • 89 gaz 44 // Jul 2, 2015 at 12:35 PM

    So glad I’ve not bought into the bull being pushed by the media and club, nearly bought my season ticket two week back again but decided against it.. Will be a strict pay as they play this season, if they’re looking a decent team I’ll pay per match but if it’s the same squad as last year I fail to see how that is possible.. Guess I might be venturing up to sjp 2-3 times max..

  • 90 BandB // Jul 2, 2015 at 12:37 PM

    The Echo sports lads have a much more straightforward and open relationship with their club.

  • 91 BandB // Jul 2, 2015 at 12:39 PM

    Though in this case its a lift.

  • 92 geordieboy83 // Jul 2, 2015 at 12:42 PM

    Don’t shoot me down, but do we really need 2 strikers? If we spent a large sum on 1 striker, i.e austin or bas dost, i would be happy. If as predicted steve goes 433, then id put more emphasis on wingers, and cb.
    We would need to keep cisse obviously but we could have de jong, austin and cisse who can do the job.

    Id rather 2 top class cb’s i.e veltman, matip, abdennour. Plus say thauvin. And a striker.

    That gives us aarons, perez, riviere, thauvin as wide forwards

    Dummett, taylor, collo, lascelles, and 2 out of 3 cbs mentioned earlier

    Cm tiote, abeid, sissoko, colback, vuckic, anita.

  • 93 expatmag // Jul 2, 2015 at 12:44 PM


    Butter wouldnt melt from the disappearing act, ehhh hinny…

  • 94 BandB // Jul 2, 2015 at 12:44 PM

    Ed posted this when it came out late last night, but there wasn’t much discussion on it.

    Van Ginkel has been consistently listed as being among our targets, and yet he may be drifting off to our rivals with no real evidence of a fight.

    Anyone bothered?

  • 95 BandB // Jul 2, 2015 at 12:45 PM



  • 96 expatmag // Jul 2, 2015 at 12:51 PM


    Someone wants you to report to the police?

  • 97 optimistic prime // Jul 2, 2015 at 12:53 PM


    No I’m not bothered about Van Ginkel.

    Mainly due to I don’t like loan deals, if we were buying him I’d be knarked.

  • 98 Ron Knee // Jul 2, 2015 at 12:56 PM

    I was speaking to a French friend recently about FlorianThauvin. My friend was a professional footballer back in the day. He can’t understand our interest in Thauvin. He says he’s very inconsistent. Another Cabella perhaps?

  • 99 Lindisfarne // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:01 PM

    Schteve says “Preparation is key”

    Has inquired with LC what the club have been doing since January?

  • 100 BandB // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:05 PM


    I see. As I said, I’m not getting into that discussion.

    I hope you are feeling well looked after and chipper today.

    I’m going to try to have a blog break and hopefully things will have worked themselves out later. I will have to try to not to peek as I can’t resist that “well, he’s not getting away with THAT!” urge.

    Gan canny.

  • 101 Lindisfarne // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:07 PM

    I would readily swap Sissoko for Oriol Romeau and Marco van Ginkel together.

  • 102 Noel Worst // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:07 PM

    Thauvin would be such a disappointing signing, regardless of price. At the figures been touted a disaster not seen since the likes of….. well.. Cabella actually.

    I don’t see how this squares with getting the best pound for pund player:

    Andre Ayew – £5m signing on fee, outstanding player and character at an age that should be attractivve to our model, the best of the 3 by far at the lowest price.

    Payet – £10m, quality and consistent, coming off the back of his best season and seemingly hitting his peak.

    Thauvin – £11m+, inconsistent and had a very poor season last time out, doesn’t really have any outstanding attributes. Going to cost the most of the 3.

    Carr running out of tricks fast me thinks.

  • 103 Noel Worst // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:12 PM

    Also think people are underestimating Lascelles, will be in the XI come first day I think. Some Forest fans say he had an average season, but you can bet they were been hypercritical of him knowing he’d already committed to moving on, which also can’t be the best basis for performing well, no matter how professional a player is.

    Hope he comes good quick because he’s a potential England CB and much needed muscle at the heart of our defence.

  • 104 BandB // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:14 PM


    Maybe he looks the best pound for pound investment, rather than pound for pound player?

    We have one show pony. Do we need an identikit one? This might not be exactly true, but in the broad scheme of things he doesn’t look THAT different from Cabella.

  • 105 Noel Worst // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:14 PM

    Plus having Marveaux back who is similar in style to Thauvin deems him totally unnecessary and the money would be better spent elsewhere, like on Austin for instance.

  • 106 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:16 PM

    We only need 1 striker if we keep Cisse Austin would do we would then have Austin , Cisse , Perez , Riviere , Armstrong and Gouffran who all want to play up front

    So unless we sell players then Austin would do

    Its quality wingers and defenders we need it was no coincidence the period where we done well last season is when we had Aarons , Sammy and Obertan on the wings none of them are that great but they stretched the play and pinned opposition full backs

  • 107 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    Lascelles had a bad season in the championship, still better then all of our ‘premier league’ standard centre halves. Our defence has been championship standard since we came back up, him not getting into that defence will pretty much confirm whether he is good or not.

  • 108 BandB // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:20 PM

    Austin, Cisse, Riviere, Armstrong is cutting it fine in my view unless our injury record is transformed.

    Austin, Riviere, Armstrong looks like an accident waiting to happen.

  • 109 Mister Tuff // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:21 PM

    Obertron is NOT a PL player. If he practiced for the next ten years – he would not be a PL player..
    He has an excellent body physique and clearly works to keep himself in tip top shape over the last couple of summers. He deserves credit for that but he’ll never be a top player – Championship standard in my opinion

  • 110 Lindisfarne // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:28 PM

    Attempting to be financially stringent and picking players that are already PL experienced with something to prove, my transfers in would be:

    CENTRE BACKS (definitely)
    Jonny Evans (MU)
    Craig Dawson (WBrom)
    (other possibilities but expensive Internationals)
    Joel Veltman (Ajax)
    Ezequiel Muñoz (Sampdoria)
    Joel Matip (Schalke)

    CENTRE FORWARD (definitely)
    Charlie Austin (QPR)

    Jesse Lingard (MU)
    Tom Ince (Hull)
    Marko Van Ginkel (Chelsea)
    Diego Rolan (Bordeaux)

  • 111 croftus5678 // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:33 PM

    so another day any new signi…….argh nvm not even worth asking >.<

  • 112 BandB // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:34 PM

    The window is open.
    But the door is closed.

  • 113 Lindisfarne // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:38 PM

    I keep forgetting to ask, who would take Michu from Swansea if the opportunity arose?

  • 114 croftus5678 // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:38 PM

    so not even the backroom staff signed yet either ?

    wth is going on ? thought that would be sorted before the window opened !

  • 115 Noel Worst // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:40 PM


    That’s what I don’t understand, he isn’t even the best investment, not by a long chalk, Ayew would take that honour, even if his wages were double Thauvin’s, say £80k :40k, it’d still take 3 years before they would even out in cost, by which time Ayew would still be 28 to Tahuvin’s 25 – Ayew isn’t a gamble either, he’s as sure a PL hit as you can sign.

    I just think our chief scouts famed judgement isn’t all it’s cracked up to be and once he gets an idea in his head, he can’t revise it to fit with the fluidity of the present market.

    Cabella is the greatest disappointment of recent times, he’s like HBA (who he was ostensibly bought to replace) without the sparkle and self-belief: a little bit slower across the ground, a little bit slower in the head, a little bit worse at picking a pass, a little less robust, a little less adept a dribbler, a slightly worse striker of the ball – just second best in every way other than endeavour 🙁

  • 116 LGFUAD21 // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:41 PM

    Think we’ve missed out on that Lille lad to Villa.

    We need a proper DM – Anita is not one, neither is Colback or Moussa or Abeid.

    The guy is a more mobile and higher tempo passing Tiote.

  • 117 croftus5678 // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:44 PM

    @115 noel

    i still have a lot of hope for cabella tbh !

    he has a lot to work on i know but i believe he will adapt next season with a decent coach working on his leg strength for his passing and shooting imo.

    as for wingers i feel our best bet is tom ince ! he can do just as good as thauvin/ayew for a fraction of the cost and he’s english to boot.

  • 118 expatmag // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:46 PM

    Evening all

    My worry is the unbalancing of the squad.

    For example, in my opinion, we have 3 players suited to play the supporting attacker role in a 4231 system in De Jong Cabella and Perez with Cisse up top.

    However, I dont think any of them would fit into McLarens preferred system of 433 adequately.

  • 119 Noel Worst // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:49 PM

    I live in Hull, which lays claim to the smallest window in the world in our Old Town, down a street going by the charming name of Land of Green Ginger. I feel we take inspiration for our approach to transfers from it, very narrow aperture and once we’ve spotted what we’re looking for flash before us, we’re either too late or if we can grab their attention it’s next to impossible to get them through it, if only we’d take a step back and realise they’re plenty of normal sized windows in the same building!

  • 120 Lindisfarne // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:50 PM


    I would like to think that with good players in central defence and a well organised side with a leader on the pitch, we would not need a defensive midfielder.

    Noel Worst
    The matter of fact way that LC divulged that he did not have time to get a replacement in for Mbiwa still haunts me. I expect the lack of personel is a big reason why more reasonable targets are let slip, through focusing on supposed bargins.

  • 121 expatmag // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:50 PM

    433 system


    Janmaat Colo Lascelles Haidara

    Anita Sissoko Colback

    Riviere Cisse Aarons

    4231 system


    Janmaat Colo Lascelles Haidara

    Colback Anita/Tiote

    Sissoko Dejong/Perez/Cabella Aarons


  • 122 BandB // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:54 PM


    I do wish Hatem had proved able to suck it up from Pardew and Carver for just one more season.
    Then we might have been speculating with some optimism about whether McClaren and he might be a better fit.
    As you say, we replaced him with a different, lower grade, misfit.
    Folks were sold a cynical hatchet job on Ben Arfa at a time when they were generally less sceptical about goings on at the club than they are now.
    Regarding Ayew…the minute you found yourself typing the words £80k your sentence should have trailed off…….

  • 123 Mister Tuff // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:54 PM


    I think the operation to stiffle any potential criticism of ” the board” (an invented group formed to give the appearance of a democratic decision making group – when the real decision maker is Mr Tubbs) has already commenced.
    Bob “Judas” Moncur has already been spouting off his rubbish. I anticipate a PR “spectacular” either tomorrow or on Monday – where the object will not be to show club progress -but to give the FF less opportunity to criticise those on “the board”.

  • 124 expatmag // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:54 PM


    No probs.

    getting better each day. Back to the doctors tomorrow for stitches out and bandages off and then back again next week re follow ups etc.

    Both my girls are doing a great job looking after me…

  • 125 croftus5678 // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:55 PM

    i agree with the 5-3-2 formation with suiting our current players the best even if it doesnt have room for rolando imo.

    back 3 of dummett/colo/lescalles would imo be a nice mix and wouldnt need babysitting with a dm! you could even replace dummett/lescalles with saylor and it wouldnt muck the formation up imo.

    janmaat would be more than happy with that and so would hairdryer.

    colback and sissoko/abied/anita would also benefit as they can get forward more and use their all round skills and siem/marv/vukic can concentrate on being creative and supporting the strikers which they are best at imo and not tracking back.

    i’m also no fan of one striker up front it doesnt work imo with our players.

  • 126 expatmag // Jul 2, 2015 at 1:57 PM


    Mate, judging by the lack of communication and movement on player/coaches front, they have failed and no end of spin can cover that up especially if the FF goes to the press.

  • 127 Mister Tuff // Jul 2, 2015 at 2:04 PM

    expat – afternoon/evening.
    After the open letter from the Fans Forum – I’m hoping that the group may have “found their feet” and start asking some decent questions -rather than the insipid tosh at previous meeting.
    The club I think may be worried that they cannot now 100% control this group to their advantage. Hence -introduce a bigger news story to overshadow the meeting.
    There we go – top conspiracy theory.

  • 128 Mr Magpie // Jul 2, 2015 at 2:04 PM

    If McClaren uses a formation that allows players to be played in the correct positions & they are able to play in the style they were initially purchased in then the likes of Cabella, De jong & Anita should all come good.

  • 129 Tsunki // Jul 2, 2015 at 2:05 PM

    So. No jelly. No Ice cream. No party. Even the balloons aren’t coming out. 🙂

  • 130 croftus5678 // Jul 2, 2015 at 2:07 PM

    lol make a bad day worse eh !

    now sunderland have almost tied up the loan signing of chelsea’s van ginkel >.<

    i just give in 🙁

  • 131 Tsunki // Jul 2, 2015 at 2:07 PM

    Mr Magpie, he has to deal with the same fundamental problem Pards and carvs had.

    He’s inherited a team of misfits. Well not a team. A squad of misfits which can’t be jigged to make up something resembling a team. I have a feeling they’re going to tell him to get on with trying to anyway.

  • 132 expatmag // Jul 2, 2015 at 2:07 PM


    well I would have thought that a combination of fans protests and low season ticket sales allied to the lack of new players through the door and the disgraceful lack of communication should send them running for the hills for explanations.

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