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Dutchman Has Some Doubts About Joining Newcastle

10:22 am, Tuesday, July 7th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 94 Comments

Newcastle are busy trying to negotiate a deal with PSV for Georginio Wijnaldum, but still have to agree a fee for a player who turned down French giants PSG last summer to stay in Holland.

And some in Holland are now wondering why he would now want to join Newcastle, who are not even playing in Europe and nowhere near the team that PSG have at the moment – and he turned them down last summer.

Georginio Wijnaldum  in white +FC+Twente+v+PSV+Eindhoven+qM_lhCm4cqml

Georginio Wijnaldum – could stay at PSV

Georginio has given a long interview with Fox Sports, and his comments are being reported in the Dutch media.

In some parts of the interview he seems positive about Newcastle, but in other parts he admits it may be difficult to join Newcastle.

One reason for that is that PSV go for the Dutch Championship every year and participate in the Champions League.

The 24 year-old was asked at one point in the interview if it was a bit illogical to want to join Newcastle United, after he had turned down PSG last summer.

It was even put to him that the level of play at Newcastle was not good enough – maybe it was too low?

This is how he answered that question:

“Yes, it can be. Everyone has their own opinion about that. But what is too low? It’s a different league of course. You can always improve yourself at such clubs.”

“But of course there is a difference between Paris Saint-Germain and Newcastle. PSG was very concrete and then with Newcastle they still need to come in.”

“It would certainly be no punishment to stay at PSV. I feel good here and the people are good to me.”

PSV go every year for the Dutch Championship and now get Champions League games, so that would definitely be a punishment. “

Not only do Newcastle have no Champions League football like PSV and PSG, but we have no chance of getting Champions League football either.

That’s unless we start to spend big money and get an injection of ambition that we haven’t had for eight years under owner Mike Ashley.

We suppose the best Newcastle can do is to convince the player he will get regular games at Newcastle and will become a much better player by playing week in week out in the Premier League.

That could be a hard sell, but it’s still possible to do the deal – if we are aggressive and persuasive enough – and also offer the Dutchman a good wage deal.

It also seems that Tim Krul and Daryl Janmaat have done a (very) good job of telling him over the summer how good things are at Newcastle.

Here’s hoping.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Newcastle News · Recruitment · Transfer News and Rumours · Transfer Target

94 responses so far ↓

  • 1 SuperShearer // Jul 7, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    Wijnaldum seems like a smart lad. Not letting any doors close on him. He may well be wanted by PSG but would he start for them? Unlikely. He’ll also know that if he plays well in the Premiership, the most competitive, richest league in the world, he has a chance to getting an even bigger money move elsewhere. I’m fine with top players using us as a stepping stone, always admired the way Fabregas left Arsenal for Barca, did it with style. If some of our players did that I’d bid them a fond farewell.

  • 2 Jib // Jul 7, 2015 at 10:35 AM

    Apropos nothing at all except very interesting
    Here is a J.Carver who could manage.

  • 3 Jib // Jul 7, 2015 at 10:40 AM

    Reading this , it seems that Wijnaldum does what his agent says and advises him to do.
    Another site where you get to vote for the Toon.

  • 4 lesh // Jul 7, 2015 at 10:50 AM

    This window’s following the same path as others – lots of talk but no bloody action on quality players.

    FFS the squad’s poor enough – even by Ashley’s admission – and all the signs are it’s going to stay that way!

    Why do these people pi$$ about when it comes to transfers? First friendly next week then off to the USA.

    Can nobody get it into Charnely and Ashley’s thick skulls that pre-seasons are there to help new players bed-in, play together?

    Oh no, that’s not good enough for those two who think pre-season’s there to enable them not to spend as the window’s still open – and will be till August 31st when we’re a few points off the pace in the bottom half of the table.

    They say they’ve learned from last season’s mistakes (and the ones before that), but have they? Have they hell!!

  • 5 John Tudor // Jul 7, 2015 at 10:52 AM

    more action of protests required

  • 6 Ron Knee // Jul 7, 2015 at 10:56 AM

    They’ve acknowledged that mistakes were made, but it would be interesting to know what they consider those mistakes were.

  • 7 cyprus // Jul 7, 2015 at 10:57 AM

    Wijnetc, dude, we want players who will BRING CL to this team, you won’t walk in a team already serving that. Can you be one of 11+ people who are able to do that? Are you good enough? If not, see you when we get there.

    Of course, we need to pay OVER the going rate (not below, Mike etc.) to start the ball rolling. The only way a better employee will go to a lesser business is if that business will pay more money.

    That’s the only way to break the vicious cycle of average companies getting average players.

  • 8 beermonkey // Jul 7, 2015 at 10:57 AM


    They might say mistakes but everything is done to a plan

  • 9 SuperShearer // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    I know this will anger some people but I hope Ashley gives McClaren the same kind of time he gave Pardew. I just wonder if he has more ability than Pardew and therefore might actually look to build a team philosophy and one that potential signings will see and want to be part of. Kind of like a Wenger affect. But probably not as good.

  • 10 Sammmy // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:05 AM

    I’m hoping the real meaning his quote was lost in translation.

  • 11 Ron Knee // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:05 AM

    Perhaps they consider they were too open with supporters, or spent too much money on new players, or were over-ambitious (finishing 17th would have been enough) …

  • 12 John Tudor // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:06 AM

    more like a wonga effect

  • 13 GeordieGadie // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:13 AM

    Stepping stone to what?
    The highest stepping stone we offered was that leap Cabaye has made, but he ultimately ended in Paris Saint-Germain anyway!

    We don’t export our goods to Real or Barcelona if that’s what he has in mind, we only deal with cheap junk in Sports Direct FC.

    We should have a sign on the club saying, if you’re good enough, come back when Ashley has died please (if we’re still in business)

  • 14 Rotonda heights // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:14 AM

    i hope the interest generated in kemen by liverpol and spurs means he will now get fast our first team squad.

    After all it was only the mergence of aarons, abeid and perez who gave us much to shout about last season.

    Bizarrely we still have some half decent players if only they could keep fit. think we’re now stuck with colo, saylor, willo, obertan and gouffran though.

  • 15 hibbit // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:26 AM

    rotonta i have been told boro are looking at willo

  • 16 nut meg // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:29 AM

    Fingers crossed for that then.

  • 17 hibbit // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:31 AM

    nut meg they asked about him in january on loan

  • 18 Sammmy // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:34 AM

    If Willo signs for Boro i think most fans would consider it a successful transfer window.

  • 19 nut meg // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:36 AM

    The quicker we get shot of the useless dinosaurs Willo & Collo the better for me,only then can we make progress.

  • 20 beermonkey // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:39 AM


    Some1 said last night kemen is out of contract
    I don’t know if he has even been offered a new one

  • 21 Polarboy // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:39 AM

    In the article I read he is quoted as saying that staying at PSV would not be a punishment because they qualify for the champions league every year. He says nothing about not being in the champions league being a punishment. Personally I think that is a more likely translation.

  • 22 Ron Knee // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:40 AM

    Re Fans’ Forum:

  • 23 hibbit // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    willo is just what boro need in the championship a big lump in the middle with a lot of talent round him it could work for him

  • 24 Jib // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:45 AM

  • 25 optimistic prime // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:45 AM


    The Gateshead friendly is Friday mate, there 1st game in the USA is next Tuesday.

  • 26 Reyantoon // Jul 7, 2015 at 11:50 AM

    I slagged McLaren many times.Never be my first choice.But the man has real ambition for the club and ready to go.But i also said in a side note previously that he is good in recruiting.His appointment of the coaching is an indication :

  • 27 Mister Tuff // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:11 PM

    Wallys – coaching team.
    The more I read about Ian Cathro – the more impressive he appears to be. I think he could end up being a gem -I suppose it depends upon how much leeway Wally is going to give him.
    Cathro’s previous manager at Valencia Nuno Santo described him as a visionary and a genius.
    Now then -you really dont see many plaudits like that in the football world especially in relation to non playing staff.
    I am getting pretty excited to see what he is going to introduce to the team.
    Might be a masterstroke by Wally getting Cathro.

  • 28 DicBDownUnder // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:18 PM

    Don’t know if this is new or not,

  • 29 DicBDownUnder // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:18 PM

    will that mean we can ‘bring someone in’ now?

  • 30 BandB // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:19 PM

    Ashley goes on the telly….best thing since sliced bread.
    McClaren speaks to the Forum….best thing since sliced bread.

  • 31 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:26 PM

    Aarons named as the first player on the list! If he can stay fit for more than 10 mins a season Mclaren and Cathro could develop him to be a game changer !

    On Sammy on loan to Cardiff felt he got a bit of a raw deal from some fans because hes local and Sholas brother, but he has ability and works hard tracking back !! Lets see him play every game for them up to Christmas and then let Mclaren assess his progress

    Quite like the way Mclaren is talking about changing the culture for too long it looks like our players have been able to do whatever they wanted under Pardew !Even in games the players looked as though they were told to do their own thing and were never really playing to a strict plan

  • 32 BandB // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:26 PM

    Talk represents excellent value, pound for pound.

  • 33 Toonfan8 // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:32 PM

    if Ashley will bring Wijnaldum and Mitrovic, it will boost the whole squad…they are top top quality both

  • 34 Ibizatoon // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:34 PM

    BandB…I always thought it was “talk is cheap”, but I think you may be on to something there.

    Can I ask what the celebrations are about with regards to McClaren attending the ff meet?

    It’ll be interesting to see what was said, but the fact he was there is hardly much to write home about, surely?

  • 35 hibbit // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:34 PM

    lee….. pardue never had a plan

  • 36 Jib // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:35 PM

    Between us and Monaco for Andre Carillo the Peruvian winger/striker currently with Sporting Lisbon according to this Spanish footy site.

  • 37 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:40 PM


    Yeah exactly !! He also had Carver taking the training!! Its no wonder we were so shite for so long at least now we have coaches who will want to play a style of play that is not alien to the technical foreign players that we have in our team !!

  • 38 nut meg // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:40 PM

    HIBBIT @35
    100% correct

  • 39 BandB // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:41 PM


    If McClaren’s tete a tete with the Fans’ Forum can generate seven weeks of solid optimism in return for no signings, as Ashley’s little chat did, the window will be over.
    Excellent diplomacy by the club…..keep talking…concede nothing.

  • 40 WWSBRD // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:41 PM

    Did Pardew ever attend the fans forum?

  • 41 Noel Worst // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:43 PM

    If we buy this guy I can see us deploying SDJ as a ST to allow Wijnaldum to play in his best position behinf =d the front man.

    Would be a smart move and something I’d like to see, we’ve lacked intelligence in attack for far too long. Might even see a team capable of consistently knitting free-flowing moves together.

    No use spending £15m on a player only to restrict his ability by playing him deep, when we already have the likes of Anita that do a similar job in that position.

  • 42 BandB // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:43 PM

    Did Ashley ever speak to us before?
    Still waiting on the significance of that one.

  • 43 beermonkey // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:45 PM


    I wasn’t excited by the McLaren appointment but I did think he was a big step up from pards and co but I really like the backroom staff he has bought in cathro especially from what I have read about
    he has said he wants to manage some day so I hope we are grooming him if things work out

  • 44 Reyantoon // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:45 PM

    Didn’t understand why sammy Ameobi gets loaned? There must be a replacement lined up-
    either Thauvin or Townsend.I personally rate sammy but never mind if replaced by either of the above.

  • 45 Jib // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:45 PM

    This is Carillo (known as La Culebra – The Snake) chilling with friends in Chile after a good copa and like Wijnaldum letting his agent do the talking .
    If he signs for us he will probably fly direct from South to North America to link up with the squad.
    He is the one in the Jesus Tshirt

  • 46 Ibizatoon // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:50 PM

    Personally I’m far more interested in the change of direction the club is supposedly taking.

    If the plan is to carry on as we were, just with a better coach in McClaren and his team, are we to expect after a good run to have him undermined, like Pardew was?

    McClaren can only do so much, and what that amounts to is yet to be seen.

    BandB…I’m all for trying to see some good in small actions. You know, small steps and all that. I do feel perhaps we’re getting a little carried away however. We’ve appointed a coaching team which looks fairly decent and the HC has attended a fans meeting. Oh, and Ashley gave us 2 minutes of his time to give an interview.

    Signings surely will come (Hmmmm…). I imagine it wont be anything like what most fans were demanding a short time ago however, but will still be accepted as a jolly good show.

    Yo…Not a clue. If he had, would he have been able to answer questions without being censored?

    I’m not trying to be difficult with this, but until the club, not McClaren, start making more of an effort to cover these issues, why are we assuming things are different?

    As it stands, the only “mistake” they seem to have rectified is John Carver. Well, most knew that was a mistake at the time. In fact, at the same time, the majority thought McClaren was a mistake too.

  • 47 beermonkey // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:50 PM


    it will do Sammy the world of good to go out onloan and play every week

  • 48 WWSBRD // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:51 PM

    What significance do u want from a 2 minute interview which says the club is not for sale

  • 49 Ibizatoon // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:51 PM

    BandB…Only in my dreams…

  • 50 BandB // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:57 PM


    The mood in late May has that nothing short of 10 new signings and Frank De Boer as head coach could take the heat off Ashley.
    My own suggestion of perhaps six signings was denounced as far too little.
    Who was arguing then that Steve McClaren might be the answer to all our prayers and he could do it with no new signings, which is being seriously argued now?
    On Thursday, it will be just one month to the first game of the season.
    Southampton, Arsenal, Man Utd…..remember?

  • 51 WWSBRD // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:58 PM

    That is the direction the club are going in mate. Its the same club just with a better manager and coaching team, they havn’t said they are going to change the way they do things

    The aim is always going to be top 10 under Ashley because thats what he wants

    I dont think Pardew would even entertain going to the meeting with the fans, in terms of covering the mistakes the first team coaching staff has been replaced which is a large reason why we struggled. The players are mostly good enough to achieve the target set down

  • 52 The overrated Frenchman // Jul 7, 2015 at 12:59 PM

    “Talk is cheap”. That definitely sounds like Ashley. “We’ll tell these idiots what they want to hear and that costs nothing. They’ll keep turning up to games, buying kit, too stupid to know any different” (that’s my interpretation, not a quote)

  • 53 BandB // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:00 PM

    ….oh, and of course, no-one much was arguing then that Ashley’s interview was a non-event.

  • 54 mickalfas // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:00 PM

    The club will never be for sale as long as the parasite owns shite direct
    Where else will be get worldwide advertising ,and MAKE money from it with no payments into the club

  • 55 Ibizatoon // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:03 PM

    BandB…Fear not, after assessing the team in a proper football enviornment, against said Southampton, Arsenal, Man Utd,then and only then can McClaren truly know what he needs.

    I’m sure the club will be able to rustle about and sort what’s needed…they have a way of making transfers look easy.

    What’s 3 games in a 38 game season? We lost 8 in a row and didn’t get relegated…

    I wonder whether we’re upgrading from “afforadable football” to “reasoned and sensible ambition”?

    If so, I wonder whether there will be any noticable difference?

  • 56 BandB // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:06 PM


    I’m finding the re-writing of history to “well nobody expected any change, did they?” particularly brazened.

  • 57 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:06 PM

    Thinking about it I honestly think we will only sign 3 senior players permanent , a couple of youngsters with a loan or 2 to supplement the squad

    Wijnaldum , Austin and Matip as the permanent

    Van Ginkel and Lingard as the loan players

    Tonney and that boy from Ajax will be the young players

    This will be our lot till Mclaren has over a season to work on players

    Kemen , Aarons, Abeid , Armstrong, Anita , Marveux , Good and Vuckic have some potential that we maybe be able to realise with better coaching

    If we clear up the injury list with those signings above I could see us comfortably in top 10 we were there last season until Pardew left and it took teams about 10 games before they over took us which showed how bad a job Carver did !!!

  • 58 mickalfas // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:09 PM

    No new players bfore the season starts =possibly relegation places before xmas

  • 59 WWSBRD // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:09 PM

    People expected change because they wanted change, nothing that happened implies there was going to be any other than a new manager

    Where in Ashleys interview does it mention anything about changing how the club operates?

  • 60 Ibizatoon // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:09 PM

    Yo… I had thought Ashley had said (not a direct quote here) that what had gone before had been a neccessity, but at the end of the day, not good enough. I understood we were now in a position to push on…i.e. A change of direction?

    I definitely thought the whole thing was vague, but it gave the impression of change ahead.

    The club have not said what those changes are, we’re now being left to assume it’s simply the coaching set up (don’t get me wrong, it’s good – it was ddesperately needed).

    Sure I read Charnley talking about improving communication and that it wouldn’t just fall to the new HC, like it had Pardew. Is that not a change in direction? In fact, I posted the link a few days ago.

    Pardew would engage the fans whenever possible from what I could see. He never was short of ego.

    My point on McClaren attending being no big deal is whether he’s being censored?

    Are they tearing up the rule book and giving him more control? It’s not what they said they would be doing with the new HC.

  • 61 BandB // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:10 PM


    How many top tens have we achieved.?
    His aim is clearly off.

  • 62 Reyantoon // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:12 PM

    beer – ya,but we are short of wingers atm,after releasing jonas and Rtaylor.We can’t afford to let go a third one.But like i said through,there must be a replacement lined up.would have preferred to loan Armstrong.

  • 63 Ibizatoon // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:15 PM

    Yo…And Ashley was clear about his main ambition for the club: “Now it’s to win something”

  • 64 Ibizatoon // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:17 PM

    “From this day forward, we will definitely be making our own luck”

    Lots of talk about moving on from the old into a new dawn from where I’m sitting.

    He said it, I suppose where this is leading is whether we should believe it or expect anything?

  • 65 GEORDIE69 // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    How low has the once great club sunk?

    BREAKING NEWS: Toon fans excited as new manager attends a forum, owner nee where to be seen mind.


  • 66 John Tudor // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:20 PM

    after a new tealady but fears the consequences of a rise in running costs

  • 67 The overrated Frenchman // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:20 PM

    After the first three games, I predict we will be on zero points, with a goal difference of -10. I’m going to put money on that.

  • 68 mickalfas // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:20 PM

    Did he not say continued investment as well ,which means to me
    More of the same !!

  • 69 WWSBRD // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:22 PM

    Pretty much all he said other than the club isnt for sale is that its on a sound financial footing and can ‘punch above its weight’ which means nothing. He said we would be making our own luck moving forward…again means nothing and that he doesnt make any decisions in regards to the football side of things

    I didnt expect anything different after hearing from him. As for the communication being improved SM/LC showing up to a fans forum is better than what it used to be and u could even add Ashleys interview into that, they can argue its already improved but u cant really expect the club to allow completely uncensored interviews etc its still NUFC everything is thought out and agreed about what is going to be said

    SM will probably have slightly more power than Pardew but he still a head coach not a manager so the club are quite clear in showing his place

    They would be further away if they said they were aiming to challenge

  • 70 Ibizatoon // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:23 PM

    mickalfas…That whole comment was water of a ducks back. The club is self sufficient, he doesn’t invest anymore.

    I also took it that it could mean more of the same.

    “My door”, but other peoples responsibility, so it’ll be their failing, not mine. How convenient.

  • 71 BandB // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:23 PM

    To be fair to WWSBRD….

    He did say at the time he believed the interview with Ashley was “guff” and that he didn’t expect anything to change, or that we’d be breaking the bank for new players.

    I thought at the time it was better to take him at his word and hold him to it. But you could argue that he promised us nothing, so business as usual is all we can ask for.

    As many people now are.

  • 72 Ibizatoon // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:24 PM

    Yo…So, how does that sit with you?

    Happy enough to simply have an upgrade on Pardew / Carver?

  • 73 BandB // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:26 PM


    ….not a LOT further away…….

  • 74 BandB // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:28 PM

    ….and he did single out Champions’ League qualification as one of his definitions of winning something…..

  • 75 WWSBRD // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:28 PM

    Hes not bothered about winning anything why would he be? Nothing in it for him other than huge pressure to try and sell the club

  • 76 The overrated Frenchman // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:35 PM

    Our activity since the interview with our Dear Leader has inspired me to put a monkey on us being relegated. I did very well betting against Newcastle last season. Looks like the fat cockney pig and his underlings will provide some more easy pickings for an astute punter in the coming season the way they run this club.

  • 77 BandB // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:36 PM


    You make a strong case that nothing has changed and nothing will ever change.
    So you’ll not be surprised or outraged if people start to protest again?

  • 78 Ibizatoon // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:36 PM

    Yo…So, how does that sit with you? 🙂

    Forget new signings, for me, it’s the least of my problems with our club.

    Are you suggesting he went on air to just lie to us? How is that acceptable in any shape or form?

  • 79 Bri // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:37 PM

    Will we be heading to the States without any new signings ? Would that mean no incoming players while we are over there?
    At this rate we’ll have the same line up as last season.

  • 80 BandB // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 PM


    It seems odd to argue that Ashley’s interview was a cynical exercise that was intended to change nothing, but that McClaren’s appearance before the Fans’ Forum is a stunning new venture into openness and honesty.

  • 81 WWSBRD // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:43 PM

    Exactly and I still think it was guff, its meaningless words where he said next to nothing

    ‘We will make our own luck’ he didnt say how he planned to do that, new coaching staff and manager he can easily argue that was it. Continued investment, well aye we will probably sign some players (not as many as people want us to sign) but it wont be 6 15mill players who will instantly transform us into a CL challenging team

    And getting CL isnt winning anything (pretty sure u dont get a trophy for it) and if we got CL not a chance in hell he would pass up the opportunity to advertise his SD crap on the global scale so he wont be selling then

    For me if anyone got excited or optimistic about NUFC because of that interview well more fool them they deserve to be disappointed again

    How does it sit with me? Well I hate what Newcastle has become, I never wanted to support a Pulis Stoke team (aiming for 10th every season) but thats what we are now

    I get very little joy from Ashley’s Newcastle but I will give SM a chance (Pardew got that from me and I had a couple of seasons of fun out of it before it totally soured it would be unfair not to allow McClaren the same gesture) and who knows if certain things fall into place maybe he will have a wonder season where we all end up smiling again to then be let down the season after again

    I dont think Ashley lied to us, I dont think he said anything. Cant lie if u say nothing

  • 82 WWSBRD // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:44 PM

    I think McClarens gestures represent more change than Ashley doing a 2 minute interview

  • 83 Ibizatoon // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:45 PM

    BandB…I would like to believe McClaren can make a difference and surprise us all.

    Pardew even managed it (5th place), some would argue with a big chunk of luck, but still.

    But then what? If the aims of the club have not changed, what is it all for?

    Somewhat prettier football? Okay, that’s one thing of the list.

  • 84 BandB // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:47 PM


    You say…

    “For me if anyone got excited or optimistic about NUFC because of that interview well more fool them they deserve to be disappointed again.”

    Which begs the question as to why you think McClaren’s appearance before the Fans’ Forum signifies a whole new world of openness and honesty?

    Is it that other folks naive, while you are insightful?

  • 85 lesh // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:48 PM

    Ron Knee

    You’re right, they’ll never admit their mistakes maybe we could help Charnley by starting with:
    – selling without replacements
    – missing signings by offering too little fees
    – missing players because we couldn’t agree terms
    – appointing Carver and sticking with him when relegation loomed

    And more

  • 86 BandB // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:49 PM

    WWSRBD, @82

    Why do you think that, though?
    Honest question.
    Why do you think they are so different?

  • 87 WWSBRD // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:52 PM

    I dont think that, never said its going to be more open and honest but its a gesture which SM didnt have to do which I appreciate

    Ashley has a history of lying to us, proven over and over again, McClaren has just come in so I wont judge him for Ashleys past. I have no reason to by cynical about McClaren…yet

  • 88 BandB // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:54 PM


    How do you know he didn’t have to do it?
    He may have been told to go.
    Ordered to go.

  • 89 WWSBRD // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:54 PM

    I can hope for something new from a new source but to hope for something new from something that constantly let u down…old saying of fool me once shame on u fool me twice shame on me I think we will be pretty high up in the numbers with Ashley

  • 90 WWSBRD // Jul 7, 2015 at 1:56 PM

    Maybe he was never going to know but no reason to see the worst with no proof

    Pardew was never ordered to go to them

  • 91 Ibizatoon // Jul 7, 2015 at 2:02 PM

    Yo…Not an attack on you, but I’m struggling with your thought process on this one.

    It does smack of making the best of a bad situation. I’m not sure why we’re still of that mindset?

    He did say something. He said we were going to try and win something and that could include CL. Granted he didn’t put a timeline on it, but the implication was that work started now. I don’t see the issue with holding him to that, rather than just writing it off as more of the same.

  • 92 BandB // Jul 7, 2015 at 2:02 PM


    I’m not seeing the worst with no proof.
    I’m not claiming it was anything.
    Like you thought the Ashley interview was nothing.

    Thanks for the debate…..

  • 93 Ravostag // Jul 7, 2015 at 9:22 PM

    Ha Cabaye made such a good upward move that Palace are after him!! Pardew and a crumbling ground in London, great move for him, hope he’s happy. Be careful what you wish for, the grass is always greener etc etc.

  • 94 Ravostag // Jul 7, 2015 at 9:26 PM

    Why are we messing about to try and sign midfielders? We need defenders!! 3 Centre backs at least willo, Collo and Saylor are nowhere good enough. As a Nottingham exile, Lascelles is a good prospect but no where near Premier League standard yet. Even Darlow is not yet ready, and will probably be behind Krul and Elliott, so come on make some signings, defenders and strikjers are the priority.

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