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First Eight Games Very Tough For Newcastle

9:56 am, Monday, August 3rd, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 122 Comments

In the first eight games of the season we play each of the top four clubs  in the league table last season – the two Manchester clubs, Chelsea and Arsenal – and that’s a really difficult start for us after we finished last season like a team headed for the Championship.

In fact we play six of the top eight teams in the league last season in those first eight games with Southampton and Swansea our first two games.


We are at home to Chelsea – and we’ve won that fixture the last three seasons, and also host Arsenal, but we are away at the two Manchester clubs.

Lat season we got 3 points form those four fixtures.

Here are the first eight games of the season.

Sun 09	13:30	H	Southampton				
Sat 15	15:00	A	Swansea City			
Sat 22	12:45	A	Man United				
Sat 29	12:45	H	Arsenal				
Mon 14	20:00	A	West Ham United				
Sat 19	15:00	H	Watford				
Sat 26	17:30	H	Chelsea				
Sat 03	15:00	A	Man City

Watford were not in the PL last season but in those other 7 fixtures we lost five of them and got 4 points last season – a win at home to Chelsea and a draw at Swansea City.

It’s difficult to see us getting many points out of those games, and our best chance of wins are at home to Watford and away at West Ham, although it would be great to start off with 3 points against Southampton on Sunday – but that will be tough.

It’s a very difficult start for the Magpies, and we’ll get some idea of how good we are next season with our results against the top four clubs in England,  and all by the beginning of October.

The very last thing we want is to have a bad start like we did last season when we gained only 4 points and no wins in the first 7 games.

How many points do you think we can get in our first eight games?

Comments welcome.

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122 responses so far ↓

  • 1 JackButler // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:00 AM

    Unless we continue to spend I hope to god SM has a magic wand as we simply haven’t done enough to address the overwhelming issues with the squad

  • 2 ROSHAN MAGPIE // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:02 AM

    we will get 12 points

  • 3 hibbit // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:02 AM

    pawl no it does not make me a better fan nor doe’s it make me less of one as you implied

  • 4 Whumpie // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:03 AM

    I agree. As things stand I think our squad is only good for 12th to 15th. We are just too poor at the back. I suspect that Maclaren has blown the wedge on the three newbies in the hope Colo has one more good aeason in him. This achilles problem has probably scared him into realising that gamble won’t pay off. Bit screwed.
    Personally I’m holding out until midnight on the 31st but I have a nasty feeling that my pessimistic, miserable prediction for the window will prove correct.

  • 5 JackButler // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:05 AM

    Eight points from eight games and that’s being very generous

  • 6 hibbit // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:06 AM

    jack…….. i would take that now

  • 7 JackButler // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:08 AM


    It could be better though if only they would spend!!!

    It’s so damn frustrating to watch what’s happening and I hope that they are doing everything to put things right, but I’m not going to hold my breath

  • 8 Whumpie // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:08 AM

    JackButler – I don’t think it was ever realistic to expect to undo 3 windows of neglect in one window. Nor do I think there was ever intent to do so; just to avoid another close relegation call.
    What annoys me is how easily the fans were convinced otherwise. Ashley must be pissing himself laughing at how easily he can fool them.

  • 9 martoon // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:09 AM

    Realistically we shouldn’t expect any points from games against the top 4 so we have to pick up points in the other 4 games – which should be achievable. Saying that the home game against Chelsea has become a bit of a banker 🙂

  • 10 lesh // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    Jamsha, Chancel

    If you’re going to upgrade to Windows 10, back up your data files – after downloading you may wonder where your data’s gone!

    Win 10 puts into a folder and from there you’d need to move it to wherever you think it should be stored on your Pc.

  • 11 hibbit // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:11 AM

    jack the thing is in todays game we are even talking big money 20m would the job

  • 12 JackButler // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:12 AM

    I don’t expect them to undo the neglect they have brought about, but I do expect them to address the real issues first, yes we’ve signed three good players but did we really need two of them while we are carrying so many poor defenders?

    Adding another CB and cover for Jannmat will be the difference in us finishing 14/15th and finishing 9/10th

  • 13 Whumpie // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    Yep. What Jack said.

  • 14 lesh // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    Unless our shakey defence is sorted with another good CB, none!

    It’s obvious that Charnley’s hit the limit of nett spend and won’t buy until he sells or gets rid of the deadwood.

    So, in doing that, points are lost because he won’t spend outside of budget!

  • 15 Take a Chancel on me // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    Lesh I am gonna stick with Windows 7, didn’t like the Win10.
    Apparently we are gonna pay £20 mil for Berahino

  • 16 JackButler // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM


    I’d say around 12/13 million would see us right, but it will be criminal if we add another striker or winger and over look the defence

  • 17 northernracoon // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:15 AM

    I can realistically only see 6 points out of them games. And thats if taylor and williamson are kept well away from starting games ?

  • 18 will die for the toon army // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:15 AM

    A game at a time and I hear Mcclaren uses players according to the games we r playing. So I will take a game at a time you never know we might come out victorious.

    With more points tgan expected.

  • 19 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:19 AM

    lesh…if that’s the case then Charnley has learned nothing!

    …going into the season with this team and thinking it’s good enough for a top 8 finish is just madness!

  • 20 mkhalaf // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:22 AM

    I feel like we will get 8 points from our first 8 games,,,

    Realistically: Win vs Watford and West Ham
    Draw vs Swansea
    Lose 4 and draw one from arsenal/city/south/chelsea/united

  • 21 Graeme // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    Dont see the issue – we should beat Watford!!

    Of course, we could actually strengthen the back four and stop the cascade of goals into our net – it would certainly make it easier to get a point or three!!!

  • 22 kimbo // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Looking a our recent performances how can we expect to get any points from the 1st 8 games, the maximum we will get is 3 but I expect we will have less. We need central defenders before any strikers are signed!!!!!!!!!
    We cannot start a season with CD of Taylor and Williamson .

  • 23 Jamseyd24 // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:35 AM

    As the current squad stands and judging from pre-season form I feel we will be lucky to average a point a game from the first 8. Maybe even be in relegation places come mid Sept.
    A min of a CB and winger required. If we dont spend 50 mil I personally will class this window as another failure.

  • 24 mkhalaf // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:37 AM

    also top 8 with the current squad is not unrealistic,,,

    This is the same squad as last year and if we had a half decent manager (if pardew stayed) we were on par for a top 10 finish! then you Add to that top 10 team Mitro/Mbemba/Wignaldum and a much better manager than pardew or carver and we should be able to push for top 8

  • 25 northernracoon // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:37 AM

    I see mcClaren saod he will base our starting line up on this weeks training alone…. hope he has the balls to start collo and mbemba in cd….id rather take that gamble than have them other 2 baffoons anywhere near starting… whats peoples prefered line up for sunday ????

  • 26 toon kk // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:37 AM

    What worries me most, apart from our dodgy defence is our lack of pace when Aarons picks up an injury where far too static, we end up backwards.

  • 27 Slank // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:38 AM

    kimbo @ 12

    ‘..cannot start a season with Taylor and Williamson…’

    Given that Colo is injured, Dummitt possibly too and Mbemba is not match fit who else would you suggest other than Saylor and Williamson ?

  • 28 Jamseyd24 // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:38 AM

    Pains me to say it but best thing for us is to leak a few stupid goals. As long as we can even it up at the other end.

  • 29 jaymucca // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:39 AM

    We have spent some good money. I don’t think we could ask for much more at the moment. We need to let the new signings settle in, see how they play together and reassess in January.

    If we spend much more now, it’s a big risk that we will be left with less money to compensate for poor signings/injuries in January.

    We can’t expect too much out of these games, but we should try to win every single one. For the fans.

  • 30 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:40 AM

    mkhalaf…top 8 which the current team is a stretch!

    …you cannot delude yourself otherwise…sure anything is possible, but going into the season thinking this will suffice is pure madness!

  • 31 toon kk // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:42 AM

    we’ll be leaking a few goals mate, don’t worry about that.

  • 32 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:43 AM

    Slank…kimbo is suggesting we need to bring in a CB surely you can grasp that?

  • 33 Jamseyd24 // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:44 AM

    Does anyone know if you can get odds on Newcastle not making another significant signing this window?? Was thinking I might as well make a few quid of my pain.

  • 34 CumbrianMag // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:45 AM

    Another CB and full back cover is needed for us to stand a chance this season. Can’t believe we still refuse to strengthen at the back when it’s our downfall every year.

  • 35 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:46 AM

    Jamseyd24…can I get in on that one 😉

  • 36 welshgeordie9 // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:46 AM

    First eight games are going to be tough, you dam right they are going to be tough, more reason to strengthen our pissing defence.

  • 37 davetoon // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:49 AM

    Fat Ash probably reminded Stevie Mac that the budget he was given includes agent fees and wages over the term of the contract

  • 38 davetoon // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:54 AM

    Does anyone actually know if Collo can play on the weekend?

  • 39 Sazzer // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:55 AM

    Shame that we are closer to 0 points than 15 points.

  • 40 Jib // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:58 AM

    The first thing to fix our bad defensive record is not to whinge about the personnel who have all at some time while at NUFC performed ok.
    The first thing is as Lilongwe said is look at the way we played , so many times our defense was made to look bad because messrs Pardew and Carver would have a sit back and absorb it mentality.

    On the evidence of what I’ve seen so far McClaren just doesn’t think like that.

    Alright a ring rusty Tayls was dispossessed in the penalty area and they scored but we had loads of the game and a few chances that when players are sharper will go in.

  • 41 terencelim // Aug 3, 2015 at 10:58 AM

    Under Ashley the first 38 games is always going to be tough.

  • 42 nut meg // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:01 AM

    I will be shocked & extremely disappointed if SM isn’t bending Charnley’s ears about the urgent need of another CB. Collo,Willo & Taylor are nufc’s achilles heel. replace them asap!

  • 43 sparky55 // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    Berahino won’t come here even if we offer 50 million to WBA for his services because it doesn’t always follow the highest bidder gets their man. Why on earth would Berahino want to comer here if he wants to better himself. At the minute it’s a step backwards

  • 44 Slank // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:03 AM


    Even with the unlikely event of another central defender arriving this week McClaren would be very reluctant about playing him straight away.

    There was an obvious reason why he kept Williamson and Saylor playing together for the full 90 minutes against Borussia. He has said that he might play Colo but it all depends on his injury and fitness.

  • 45 sparky55 // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:11 AM

    The great one has never won a league game at St James Park in all his years being chelsea manager. This year he will break that duck because we’ll be playing him too early in the season with a make-shift back four including at least one championship quality centre back and a dutch defender who’s gonna realise very soon the Premiership is much harder than playing in holland and that playing alongside a championship quality defender means he will not be able to concentrate on his own role whilst wet-nursing the plonker next to him.

    I see those first 8 fixtures going


    and that’s all because the club did’t concentrate on the biggest problem we have and that’s the non existent defence.

    We didn’t necessarily need Mitrovic, nor Winjy…what we needed was four premiership quality defenders because the only decent defender we have is Janmaat although Hiadara is starting to show some promise at last.

  • 46 jayphoto // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:11 AM

    Reckon Newcastle would be a logical step in Berahinos development. Its a slightly bigger pressure being a newcastle striker. Bigger expectation, more love when you deliver, more aggro when you don’t. If i were a top club ie: Arsenal, Man utd (berahinos probable end game) i would be more content that he could handle the move and pressure if hed notched 20 goals a season at newcastle rather than at WBA.
    We now have a head coach lauded for his coaching and development of players and a backroom staff fresh with new ideas largely based around improving developing players.
    It for me would make more sense for Berahino to join Newcastle than Austin.
    One negative point on the berahino transfer is currently he doesn’t have agency representatives. Its usually agents that instigate these moves but he parted ways with Aidy Ward and has said he won’t be taking on new representatives until October when hes scheduled to talk to WBA about his contract

  • 47 The overrated Frenchman // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:14 AM

    Jamseyd24, can’t help you with that wager, but if you fancy a 3 goal or more loss to Southampton there are still a number of options which will pay ok on that. Not sure where you are but bookies everywhere tend to be fairly consistent.

  • 48 murvar // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:17 AM

    Hard to see how he can play Colo with zero minutes in pre-season. I think that Colo can rise again with a commanding presence – like Mbembe – next to him. And no -one should forget that our best spells in the last few seasons have come when Tayls has been playing. When we played so well against Chelsea he got injured and the wheels came off our campaign. And Willo – well, he’s my hero. Never shirks and never gives less than 100%. Compare with eg Sissoko.

  • 49 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:18 AM

    Jay…I agree Berahino would be a better option for us than Austin. Lamberts has just signed for the Baggies so I think there’s a possibility Berahino could leave…just not sure we will pay that they are asking!

    Citeh has been rumoured to be interested 🙂

  • 50 hibbit // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:21 AM

    i have no doubt we will start with willo/taylor ….mbemba is away trying to get a visa meeting on wed…….colo has not kick a ball yet …on the point jib makes it was noticeable on saturday they did play a higher line but that in its self can brings in other problems if the back 4 arnt working as a unit to make this system work they need time together we dont have time

  • 51 jayphoto // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:22 AM

    Anyone see yanga-mbiwas red in a friendly this week! Scandalous tackle to make in a meaningless friendly that

  • 52 toon kk // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:22 AM

    The first eight games going to be tough for Newcastle???
    The whole season is going to be very tough for Newcastle!

  • 53 Tsunki // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:27 AM

    Ed at the moment I’m inclined to think the first 40 games will be a bit tough but hey ho, we got what we paid for, now let’s see how it goes.

  • 54 jayphoto // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:27 AM

    @jesper – lot of talk that Ashley has an eye on what players will be worth after the next tv deal with economics suggesting big players price will rise by 20% next summer.
    That said, it wouldn’t surprise me if they splashed 20m on Sadio if they thought they could get sterling type money in 2 years.
    Really excited by the players we’ve signed but by all accounts we’ve paid top end of their Value and outbid teams on mitrovic and gini which is odd for Newcastle.
    Personally don’t think the club have changed, i just think they’ve adjusted the economics of the business plan.
    I’ll believe the change of heart when we sign the 28/29 year old centre half at the peak of his career we desperately need

  • 55 Tsunki // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM

    Ha ha Toon kk I posted before reading yours oops.

  • 56 Tsunki // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM

    Oh, and Ashley Out!

  • 57 toon kk // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM

    The back four need protecting more,
    Newcastle fans demand attacking football, we haven’t got the players to do it and when we try we’re cut apart and our defence, well say no more.

  • 58 The overrated Frenchman // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:30 AM

    Also, Jamsey24, be very careful about what you put your money on. It has to be black or white every time. Bookies will happily take your money but if there is any grey area over a pay-out you won’t win. They do this for a living and they have the suss.

  • 59 Tsunki // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:31 AM

    Jesper – Lamberts getting on a bit I don’t think his arrival would signal Berahino leaving.

  • 60 Spotlight Kid // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:37 AM

    To get anything out of the first 8 fixtures requires putting Taylor and Willo on gardening leave.

    Even then Taylor will doubtless poke the garden fork through the hosepipe before pulling it out again and simultaneously pushing the blunt end through the greenhouse window. Then in the process of picking up the glass he’ll do his back in and be out for 6 months.

    Willo, meanwhile, will still be wandering around in a daze and standing on rakes while looking for his Wellington Boots.

  • 61 nut meg // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    That’s one of the reasons why I think there’s still more signings to come this window.He’ll want the bulk of the team sorted this time around when it’ll save a few million.He might sell a few as well mind next year when transfer fees are likely to shoot up….profit comes high up on the list of priorities !.

  • 62 toon kk // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    you’ve just about got it covered mate

  • 63 Sir Braveheart // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    8-10 points. Which given we’re facing the top 4 in those 8 games is acceptable. I think if we got 8 points that would be a good return.

    If you look at the next 8 games after that I think we can get around 16 points from them. 24 in total.

    If you think about it, playing the top four in the first 8 games is a good thing. We’ve had a rotten pre-season, the planning was ridiculous and not what we needed. The lads are a week behind everyone else ion terms of fitness as a result, we’re behind on training and get Schteves philosophy over to the players, so it’s going to take 5-6 games to get up to speed properly. I’d rather we spent those games playing teams we wouldn’t expect to get anything from than play teams we should be beating. that way if we play poorly against the top teams we lose, which we were expecting anyway, instead of playing lower teams and losing when we should be winning.

    By the time we get around to playing the likes of Villa, Stoke, Bournemouth, Sunderland, Leicester and palace we should be much more organised, fitter and the quality of players we have like Wini, De Jong and Mbemba will start to show.

    I’ve got no concerns. Top 10 this season, which is a 5 place improvement on last year. Top 7 next season, Top 5 the year after. I’ll take that as progress.

  • 64 WWSBRD // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:48 AM

    Sir Braveheart
    Ur putting a whole lot of faith in Ashley not selling our star players…any reason for that? Or just optimistic?

  • 65 John Tudor // Aug 3, 2015 at 11:55 AM

    i see 6 points but we will be lucky to get 3/4

  • 66 toon kk // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:23 PM

    We’ll panic buy in January, when we’re struggling to compete in the premier league. Mit will get p—-d off with very little service.
    Fans will be calling for Stevie’s head.
    Every thing looks hunky dory!!!!!
    Its called nufc!

  • 67 John Tudor // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:25 PM

    not neggars just very realistic

  • 68 Noel Worst // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:26 PM

    I’d mark 10pts as par for those opening 8 fixtures. 2 home wins against Southampton and Watford, an away win against either Swansea or West Ham and pick up a point somewhere in there.

    A reasonable target and if we could do that I’d be confident for the rest of the season, as we should only improve as the team settles in to Schteve’s way of doing things.

  • 69 lesh // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:28 PM

    Take a Chancel on me

    If it’s any comfort, I reverted to Windows 7 HP after a quick look at 10 – and having to find and restore my data from whence it came!

    Well, if the rumor’s right, Berhino’d be a good buy and as our former manager’s darn sarf, the lad’s safe from being Pardewed!

    Still say we need a solid CB and a versatile FB though

  • 70 Bobbybee // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:30 PM

    Whenever it happens, everybody has to play the top four or five teams. To get four really tough games out of the way early doors can be to our advantage. There’s always some bizarre results in the fist month or so after all. Most of the games the ‘big’ clubs drop points against are when they play each other – and when we play Chelsea at home. 🙂 What we really need to look at is taking points off the rest, because they too will lose against the big boys. Still think we’ll spend though, if the right players become available. Still a month to go.

  • 71 Bobbybee // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:31 PM

    Fist? First even! 🙂

  • 72 hibbit // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:33 PM

    lesh cb and fb a must anything else would be a bonus

  • 73 hibbit // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:37 PM

    bobby we have 8 games that most teams would find hard depending on how we do they could make or break our season …..i would hope for 8 points

  • 74 Boot Boy // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:38 PM

    It is a very tricky start but it works two ways.
    if we do pick up a good result against one of the title contenders it could be a great confidence boost and platform to build on. Even if we do get beat in those games aslong as its not cricket scores we can used the new manager and players settling in period to ease concerns.
    If the games had been mostly against teams we should be picking points up against its a whole different pressure to start well as we would have harder games ahead.
    Just want some bloody football to watch!

  • 75 toon kk // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:42 PM

    I think your right there will be a few surprise results at the start of the season, apart from us getting beat thats no surprise! !!!
    I do think your right through their will be a bit more activity before the transfer window closes.

  • 76 Bobbybee // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:42 PM

    Hibbit, my point on the nail. Would it honestly make much difference to the result when we play the big spenders? To be honest, I was impressed by the performance v the munch bunch – a CL team – and can see the team are buying into pass and move. The longer it goes, the better it will get.

  • 77 EllaGuru // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM

    Colo’s commitment to see out the remainder of his contract is a double edged blade. Yes, he brings experience and he is the current captain, however it effectively means we will not bring in another CB, which we so desperately need.
    We have Saylor, Colo, Mbemba, Willo, Lascelles, Goode along with Dummett and Janmaat if required.
    Unfortunately, with those numbers, there will be no justification for purchasing another CB.
    I for one would have preferred to see the back of Willo, Colo, Saylor.
    We get in a recognized CB, and cover for RB. That would leave us with cover for all positions along back 4, also considering Janmaat and Dummett slotting in to CB when/if required.
    Never going to happen though!

  • 78 ToonDownSouth // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:47 PM

    I cannot believe we’re likely going to start the PL season with the same CB’s lining up that lined up for us in the Championship… Embarrassing! Even if Chancel gets his permit sorted, has he had enough time to integrate with his team mates?

    What’s more embarrassing is that I ever considered we might not!

    As for Stevey Mac playing Bigi, Ferguson, Satka in defence in our friendlies, I’m not suprised – poor guy knows that they’re going to be his backup defenders for an entire PL campaign. One injury to our clubs sole RB and we’re completely boned.

  • 79 toonbrother // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:50 PM

    with colocinni in the mix it could be the worst start to the season in the history of this great club
    i feel slightly depressed at the news he is staying another season

  • 80 hibbit // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:51 PM

    ella…dummett is out no one seems to know or for how long

  • 81 lochinvar // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:52 PM

    BBC web site comment an hour ago
    QPR striker Charlie Austin and midfielder Leroy Fer are likely to leave the club in the summer transfer window, according to boss Chris Ramsey.
    The pair sat out QPR’s pre-season friendly against Atalanta on Sunday.
    Both have been heavily linked with moves away from Loftus Road following QPR’s relegation to the Championship.
    “People are very interested. We know it’s a financial situation where the players, given the right offer, will probably go,” he told BBC London 94.9.

  • 82 Graeme // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:54 PM

    We have added a 20 year old defender to a defence that has shipped 60 goals per season for the last 3 seasons. Collo is crocked, Willo isn’t very good, Saylor is an accident waiting to happen.

    Where have we made any difference to prevent a similar number of goals being conceded? Without at least one Premier League quality CB being added – we will be no better off than last season, other than Schteve may get more out of a few of our “weaker” players.

    Will it be enough to stay comfortably in mid-table? Sounds like another gamble to me.

  • 83 hibbit // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:54 PM

    lochinvar……..both could do a job for us but its defenders we need

  • 84 jaymucca // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:58 PM

    Bearing in mind we have a good exchange rate with the euro right now, Ashley might be trying to do his business this summer.

  • 85 Mag52 // Aug 3, 2015 at 12:59 PM

    Lochinvar.(previous thread)

    I would imagine it’s inconceivable that SM has’nt twigged that we need a stronger middle defence. You wonder if he has been constrained by Penfold. My guess is yes, and that Penfold is being constrained by Ashley. Much like the last few seasons.
    Anyone imagining we’re in for a rip roaring roller coaster of a ride this season, scoring a ton of goals and shipping a boat load (keeganesque style) could be right about the shipping part, but the pre season hasn’t exactly suggested we’ll score that many.Hope I’m wrong.

  • 86 ToonDownSouth // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:00 PM


    Agreed, although I’m not so sure about him being 20… 😛

  • 87 Bobbybee // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:05 PM

    Pardew was an average manager we thought was bad. He left us in mid table; then we found out what a bad manager really looked like! Having Macca and Cathco is a step up on both combined. Those players are already improving, as was witnessed v the munch bunch. We’ve got five quality players who didn’t feature last season, when you include De Jong and Aarons. We might be grateful for Collo’s experience in the long run and Mbemba can cover his lack of pace. Colback showed his range of passing on Saturday and might turn out to better than anybody thought in deep midfield. The stupid US tour ruined our pre season and yes, we are playing catch up to an extent, but I think a top half finish is definitely gettable even with what we have. Another couple of incoming players will cement that.

  • 88 nut meg // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:11 PM

    It’s been open season in our penalty area for the past three seasons and as it stands just now it’s due to continue this week-end.

  • 89 EllaGuru // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:12 PM

    Your hope for a top half finish is based on the assumption that we will continue to strengthen the squad. This is looking more and more unlikely.
    @83 hibbit,
    True, as is Goode out injured. Just going through the squad members.

  • 90 martoon // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:13 PM

    toonbrother @79 – I just knew you would be thrilled about Colo staying 🙂
    I actually think with Mbemba alongside him it could be quite a good partnership – a good blend of youth & experience. I’m pretty sure on Sunday we’ll start with Willo & Saylor whether we like it or not!

  • 91 hibbit // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:14 PM

    bobby if we sort the back 4 i think we get mid table if we don’t i dred to think ………….pretty sure Mc know what we need not sure he will get them

  • 92 hibbit // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:17 PM

    ella ……just meaning the problems are there already …no disrespect

  • 93 hibbit // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:19 PM

    can anyone name a cb colo has had a good partnership with

  • 94 jaymucca // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:23 PM

    Claudio Cacapa

  • 95 corkypants // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:24 PM

    Cmon guys chin up, colo and mbemba will be a good pairing not amazing but decent enough to see us through taylor as backup were only doomed if we get two injuries at cb, iv seen double decker busses with a tighter turning circle than willo.

    In a perfect world another cb would be ideal someone big and strong. We could do with a young rb aswell.

    I think we will sign a couple more players maybe an out n out winger and toney

  • 96 the broons // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:29 PM

    *sigh* still literally nothing on a new centre back….

  • 97 corkypants // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:29 PM

    Also i am not concerned about mbembas age he is a really good defender and he will be a great addition.

  • 98 Small World // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:33 PM

    To me there is only one rational reason why we haven’t gone in for another centre half. We need to ship some dead wood first. In and around the first team er have Mbemba, Collo, Willo,Saylor,Lascelles, Goode, Satka and have a couple who can stand in such as Dummett and Janmaat. I wouldn’t sanction a move for yet another CB in such circumstances. The problem lies in finding a pair to rely on and of course shipping out some of them as they’re either crocked or simply crap an no-one will want to take them off our hands

  • 99 Bobbybee // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:37 PM

    Elleguru, what I say is that we will finish top half with what we’ve got mate. Any more signings will cement that. None of us actually know what’s going on, it’s speculation, negative or positive beliefs and pure guesswork 🙂 just read an interesting piece on transfers in four four two. No wonder we’ve been linked with so many players.

  • 100 JackButler // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:41 PM

    I’m clinging to the hope that SM wanted to use the pre season to see just what standard our CB were before moving for a proven name

  • 101 Ian Toon // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:46 PM

    Well it seems like any other recent new season. Or does it because I am personally looking forward to what might just transpire. OK it’s the usual doom and gloom from those that are never happier than when they can be miserable. But let’s look at the positives at our football club. Importantly its a new era with Macca looking to prove himself in the PL and new coaches who collectively bring new ideas, good pedigrees and a desire to do well On the player front we’ve three new players but more importantly I sense a new attitude around the club and supporters. Additionally I have been impressed that finally the lines of communication are much improved. This leads me to believe that we will be seeing further signings before the window closes.
    Ashley has found the money to secure 3 quality signings but last season highlighted the need for more defensive additions particularly at CB and LB. We lack a proven wide man consistently capable of serving our new ST. Austin would provide goals which were also in short supply last season. He is PL proven. Failing a further ST signing we could do with a wide man capable of playing wide in a front 3. The squad still lacks depth in certain areas. So I do anticipate some further additions in the coming weeks as Macca completes his assessment of the squad..
    Mbemba with his pace given time will allow us to play a higher line and a fit Collo could benefit. Defence does require attention as Williamson and Taylor are just not PL standard. Remember only QPR conceded more goals than us last season. Macca has stressed that we need to defend as a unit- interesting stat last season was that we collected 40% of our points in October and November. So we can hopefully look to be more consistent throughout the season.

    Midfield (whilst lacking a Cabaye type with a full range of passing) looks to be fairly strong. Wijnaldum looks capable of supplying goals from midfield and I anticipate Sissoko contributing more. Hoping that Aarons can have a largely injury free season and make a contribution as well. Mitrovic, Cisse, Perez and Riverie are capable of scoring goals. Season forecast for the toon. I Look to us to start with a win on Sunday 3-2 . With the crowd playing their part and for us to make a few astute signings before the deadline and kick on and finish in the top 10.

  • 102 EllaGuru // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:49 PM


    I see exactly where you are coming from. I am just looking for realistic, best case scenarios.

    I really feel that if we dont reinforce more, we are going to have troubles. We have been porous at best in preseason!

  • 103 qtoon // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:51 PM

    I think we still need to do a lot of work in the transfer window. Coloccini ought to stay for experience, he may come good once he has a CB he can trust to pass to.

    Sell: Williamson, Ferguson, Obertan, Marveaux
    Loan Out: Good, Satka, Mbabu, Bigi, Vuckic, Kemen, Rivière
    Buy: CF – ?Austin, RB Backup, LW Competition

    Then we should have decent cover for all positions. If loan players underperform they should also be sold as they’ve been around long enough to impress here. If Haidara/Dummett don’t perform well enough LB should be the priority in January, perhaps Willems from PSV.

    If I was manager, this is what I’d set out to do. Don’t worry lads, I’ll go out and get me coaching badges this summer.

    What would you all do?


  • 104 Ian Toon // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:52 PM

    Bobby bee – Pardew left us in 9th. Significantly we picked up 40 % of points secured last season in October and November ; which highlighted what a monumental debacle of a decision it was to appoint Carver.

  • 105 qtoon // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:53 PM

    Oh, and I’d try and steal Virgil Van Dijk from under the noses of Southampton to replace Willo

  • 106 Bobbybee // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:54 PM

    Willo actually played decently on Saturday, it was Taylor who cost the only goal. I always noticed Willo and Dummett was better than Willo and Collo. Collo and Dumett were better than Willo and Collo. The conclusion I now reach is that Collo and .Mbemba will probably work, because Collo and Willo are too alike – basically too slow. Collo’s old head and Mbemba’s young legs might be the combination required. Until we see them play together of course, we won’t know for sure. Sadly, neither will Macca and that’s why he’s anxious to get Collo on the pitch. Ashley might be persuaded to buy once he has that report back from Macca. Alternatively, we might not need to. I know we would all want another CB regardless, but we have to be realistic knowing Ashley. Difficult to argue we don’t already have enough CB’s, albeit they’re not good enough. Once we see them together, Macca will have more to work with one way or the other.

  • 107 martoon // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:54 PM

    I think Small World @ 98 has hit the nail on the head. If you’re top management you think we have plenty of CB’s so why do we need another? McClaren has to try and convince them we do because some are injury prone or not fit for purpose. He was probably trying to prove a point with the ramshackle defences he used in some of the friendlies!

  • 108 EllaGuru // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:58 PM

    @98 Small World

    Couldn’t agree more!

  • 109 Ian Toon // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:58 PM

    Taylor’s error was schoolboy stuff. He would have even less time in the frenzied setting of the PL – to move the ball to the right rather than left away from goal was rank bad.

  • 110 JackButler // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:59 PM


    It’s not doom and gloom it’s simply the reality of where we are.

    We’ve spent good money but in the wrong areas, as you always build from the back and our back line is amongst the poorest in the league proven by not only the amount of goals we concede but the type of goals we concede.

    I guarantee you that if we sign another CB the vast majority will be more than happy with what we have done this summer, but if we don’t? People simply don’t trust the players we have and won’t be able to see anything changing in terms of results and league position

  • 111 doofa the loofa // Aug 3, 2015 at 1:59 PM

    Sir brave..
    Sensible opinion.. here here.

  • 112 Ian Toon // Aug 3, 2015 at 2:05 PM

    Jack – I hope we haven’t finished spending . Clearly the priority is Defensive but that’s just my take on it. You saw the difference the SJP crowd made against WHU they make a big difference . Reality is post September 1st I prefer to remain optimistic in the meantime. Just changed my shift so I will be lending my support. There’s something special about being at SJP and for the first game of the season all things remain possible!

  • 113 Bobbybee // Aug 3, 2015 at 2:06 PM

    Ian, you said it mate! We secured those points with the same players who lost the last 9 out of ten before West Ham, which shows they are capable given the right coaching. We did have horendous injury/suspension problems towards the end, but I think it was mainly down to the incompetent managerial skills (?) of Carver. Walking out of SJP on Saturday there was a overwhelming belief of optimism in the air, despite the score. To be honest, I’m looking forward to the season with more belief than the last few seasons for sure.

  • 114 Ian Toon // Aug 3, 2015 at 2:09 PM

    Jack – I would feel happier with the chuckle brothers not around. Know not Jail and Tuff – Williamson and Taylor.

  • 115 Rotonda heights // Aug 3, 2015 at 2:11 PM

    yes we had a good run but equally we were back on another awful one, everton game apart, just before ap left.

  • 116 Ian Toon // Aug 3, 2015 at 2:12 PM

    I wasn’t at the game but my brother said it was a typical pre season affair. Shearer never broke into a sweat pre season and nobody wants to miss the start of the season. Chelsea looked as if they were merely going through the motions as well.

  • 117 jaymucca // Aug 3, 2015 at 2:13 PM

    In an ideal world, a centre back would be great. But I don’t believe our money has been spent in the wrong areas.

    Coloccini hasn’t been himself for the best part of 2 seasons. He has recently confirmed his commitment to the club for another season, recently following the Mbemba transfer. Is this a coincidence? It could be! But it could also suggest that Colo wasn’t happy with any of his partners at CB. Coloccini has shown in the past that he is a good premier league centre back. No one knows how he’s going to perform this season, but alongside Mbemba, I can see him playing a lot more confidently. Willo and Taylor aren’t good enough for the first team, but for short term replacements, at most, they can come in and do a job.

    But maybe that’s just me being optimistic.

  • 118 Moonraker15 // Aug 3, 2015 at 3:34 PM

    Toon brother
    If you haven’t seen worse centre backs than Colo playing for the Toon you ain’t been watching mate.
    I can make you a long list if you want!lol

  • 119 Reyantoon // Aug 3, 2015 at 4:03 PM

    If we stay injury free till December,i think we ‘ll finish inside top ten:-)

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