McClaren And Company Have Significant Work To Do

The thing about this game that really surprised and disappointed us is that in the first half we showed the same inadequacies that we showed under John Carver’s short and completely disastrous reign on Tyneside.

We weren’t good enough, and at least one of our players showed a lack of discipline and made things worse by getting himself sent off.

daryl janmaat sent off

Daryl Janmaat sent off – game over

Montero was too good for Daryl Janmaat in the first half – he was too fast with too many skills and continually beat the Dutch International.

It didn’t help that Daryl was our best player last season.

But the last thing you want to see in a game when we are struggling,  is to be reduced to ten men,  and that’s what happened – and you could see it coming as Daryl picked up an early yellow card after 17 minutes.

After that he was beaten  too many times by Jefferson Montero, and when he pulled the player back after 41 minutes that was a yellow card offense, and he was off.

So just like under the woeful and inadequate John Carver, we shot ourselves in the foot yesterday.

Steve McClaren is more professional and a lot more experienced in coaching than Carver – and Steve and his team now need to show that experience and skill by learning from this game.

But what is clear is that Mbemba and Coloccini at the back may not be good enough – and it’s Coloccini who was again beaten in the air for Swansea’s second goal after 52 minutes.

Chancel looks  a very promising player,  but this may have shown McClaren we need another top center-back brought in.

The same defensive inadequacies were there for all to see yesterday, that have dogged the team for the last three years.

We didn’t stop the crosses coming in, and when they came in we didn’t defend them very well.

On this display you could say we need two top defenders brought in – a full back and a center-back.

Of course Swansea played like they did last week against Chelsea and looked a very good side yesterday – that’s a saving grace for us – we are playing the better sides very early in the season.

But this game reminded us too much of when John Carver was in charge – and that reign was a nightmare for fans.

Steve McClaren and his coaches have lots of work to do before we face Manchester United in the early kick-off game next Saturday.

We want to see 11 men on the field at the final whistle – we want to see some organization and we want to see full commitment from our players for the full 90 minutes.

Add to that some skill and some intention to score goals – and we’ll be happy enough.

But we cannot have too many of these displays of indiscipline on the field – which happened far too often last season.

There was too much negative over-reaction after this game by the fans – it was only one game and we were not good – but we have to be patient and there are going to be games like this when we look disjointed.

Progress is never in a straight line.

But the challenge for Steve McClaren and company is to have our players learn from yesterday, and give a (much) better performance at Old Trafford.

Oh and we nearly forgot – Newcastle must sign three more players before September 1st and defense is our weakness and number one priority – just like it’s been for over three years now.

This is not rocket science.

Comments welcome.

35 comments so far

  • Jail for Ashley

    Aug 16, 2015 at 8:45 AM

    Comment #1

    Ashley Out!

  • Slank

    Aug 16, 2015 at 8:48 AM

    Comment #2


    Jail @ 6

    That’s my conclusion.

    Janmaat wasn’t even in our half. He was nearer to their penalty box than ours.

  • Ron Knee

    Aug 16, 2015 at 8:49 AM

    Comment #3

    What did Monk say?

  • Ron Knee

    Aug 16, 2015 at 8:52 AM

    Comment #4

    Ed says: “We are playing the better sides very early in the season.”

    On current form, every team (with one exception) is better than us.

  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Aug 16, 2015 at 8:57 AM

    Comment #5

    Same old same old how can the powers that be managers, coaches etc., not see we have a Sh*t defence.
    last season 63 conceded
    season before 59 conceded
    To build a good football team you need to start with the foundations a good goal keeper and a good back four
    and we have neither
    Instead of buying forwards and midfield players
    they should by a new complete back FIVE
    Any opposition manager worth his salt knows how to exploit the TOONS weaknesses –
    i) cross into the box on or just outside the six yard box
    ii)Free kicks – whip the ball in between the six yard box and penalty spot
    Twice already this season the opposition have scored with headers from crosses into/edge of the six yard box and the other header was slightly further out but the cross was deep to far post. We need a keeper that commands his six yard box as teams week after week are exploiting the weakness
    Need a commanding centre half/halves
    A LEADER one who shouts and organises the defence
    and two full backs who can defend and tackle first and don’t get out of position time after time

    rant over

  • Novocastrian66

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:01 AM

    Comment #6

    Ron; Monk basically accused Newcastle players of trying to kick Montero off the park. Which is utter rubbish, and defends the ref”s handling of the game. See my comments on the previous thread regarding the ref and his handling of the game.

  • Shot Bru

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:02 AM

    Comment #7

    Never been a fan of McLaren

    But in all fairness he’s been left an absolute shambles of a set up which he needs time to organise. Incredible that we have only signed 3 players.

    Saying that, I don’t understand his decision to resign Colo the Clown or play Obertan ahead of Perez or Aarons?!?

    We have so many poor players it’s frightening. Colback, Anita, Sissoko amongst many others.

    They will be doing well to survive this season.

  • mickalfas

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:09 AM

    Comment #8

    Just watched match of the day
    The lack of chances is a big worry when we are leaking goals at this rate
    If we don’t sort the defence now ,my prediction of 12th looks a pipedream

  • hibbit

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #9

    my pet subject….. we need a player in the b4 who can organise them….. we need a player in the b4 who can communicate with them….we need a players in the b4 who can play as a unit and take there responsibilities seriously …. till we have that we will continue in this downward spiral

  • Novocastrian66

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #10

    Martoon; perhaps. However my point is that there were plenty of challenges going unpunished by the ref, he appeared to be very selective in his decision making. He was over zealous when dealing with Newcastle players and lenient with Swansea players. He also appeared to be influenced by about 5 Swansea players trying, successfully to get Janmatt sent off. Not the first time that particular ref has been influenced by opposing players when dealing with Newcastle United.
    A different game and obviously a different ref; but Southampton’s fullback got away with much more last week.

  • Ron Knee

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #11

    Thanks, Novo.

  • Reyantoon

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:12 AM

    Comment #12

    Not only Janmaat was stupid yesterday,he was poor against soton last week and cost us 2pts.
    No wonder why LVG haven’t signed him before us.The guy is inconsistent and poor in concentration.Just what i feared happened to him yesterday – ripped apart by Montero.I blame both of our lost 5 points on Janmaat.However,
    McLaren said judge us after 10 games.But six games is enough to judge someone in PL!!

  • magpiesi

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #13

    Maccas team for MU


  • hibbit

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #14

    and one other thing we dont look fit we look a yard off the pace WHY


    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:14 AM

    Comment #15

    I don’t kno where to start. Firstly we have a captain who leads by example by time wasting at 2 nill down to try and keep it that way. Howay man what type of leader does that! Secondly, how he got an extended contract is beyond me. Thirdly, you can not compete in the Premier League with Anita and Colback running your midfield. A strong wind would blow those two over! Positives are at least we have one defender that can defend! Negatives are Colo, Haidara, Anita, Colback, Sissoko, Orbetan and Cisse. Lastly if McLaren believes we only need an 18 to 19 man aquad to compete in the Premier League, then he is deluded. We need at least two top class players in EVERY position and that includess both full back spots. We desperately need a RB,CD,LB,CM,WINGER and CF before the deadline or we ill be in for yet another relegation battle with arw poor neighbours

  • Novocastrian66

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #16

    Sissoko is a disgrace. No surprise that he got a bad leg when we went down to ten men. I might be being harsh but he just doesn’t want to know when things start getting tough.

  • toonbrother

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:16 AM

    Comment #17


    “The thing about this game that really surprised and disappointed us is that in the first half we showed the same inadequacies that we showed under John Carver’s short and completely disastrous reign on Tyneside…..”

    You guys kill me

    How can you expect anything different when the underlying source of the problem remains?!!!!

    Its like spraying air freshener after doing a stinky number 2 without actually flushing the toilet.

    By the way , “We weren’t good enough” is not helpful analysis. Its also not true

    We have one of the best attacking line ups in the premier league.

    Our problem is defence
    Those of you who’ve never played football do not understand the importance of having a good defence

    When a team concedes a goal like Ayew’s second, it knocks the wind out of everyone including the midfielders and the forwards.
    Its nigh impossible to win games when you have no confidence at the back

    Weve gone from Debuchy, Mbiwa, Colo , Santon to
    Janmaat, Mbemba, Colo, Haidara

    The results have stayed the same.
    What does that tell you?????!!!

    Without a sound defence it doesnt matter if its carver or guardiola in charge, the results will remain the same

  • lochinvar

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:16 AM

    Comment #18

    Lilongwe Geordie @90 previous post
    Really mute points.
    ” lack of communication ” ( in the back four) and ” someone who can organise the back line”
    Don’t know if my hearing and sight are diminishing and I sit quite close to the pitch at games but I just can’t recall seeing or hearing Colo shouting the odds at the back line and making sure that they work as a unit. Other better organised teams yesterday would have all stepped out and Gomis would have been clearly offside. Colo is Captain but seems to say nothing at least compared to the Gerrards, Lampards and others of that ilk. Silence may be golden but not on the pitch. Serena Williams makes more noise than Colo – and it seems to produce results.

  • yorkshire_magpie

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:17 AM

    Comment #19

    Anybody think we should get back Armagh after watching this?

  • TudorCrisps

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #20

    We need a leader in our team and colo is not the answer some one multilingual who can speak to all players I guess, a bit of steal, some balls, I hear joey bartons looking for a club, not a great player but would add some leadership in the squad.

    Cisse out
    Haidara out
    Goufran out
    Obertan out
    Anita out
    Willo out

  • yorkshire_magpie

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #21

    2 crackers from arma. Do you guys think he’ll live up to his potential?

  • Laurent Robert 32

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #22

    Regardless of his stupidity yesterday, as well not playing well in some games, Janmaat is still a good player. Not every player will be sparkling every game. The more the new coaching is applied, the more it will hopefully evolve. It’s not going to mature overnight.

  • toonbrother

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:22 AM

    Comment #23

    @Laurent Robert 32

    Janmaat is our only world class defender
    I rank him above Debuchy

  • Nufc-83

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:23 AM

    Comment #24

    Toonbrother the second goal!! We were already out the game and getting smashed before the first even went in let alone the second. Lucky to be 2-0 and not 5!!

  • magpie6699

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:24 AM

    Comment #25

    Very poor display and stupid from Janmaat. However, when Van Gaal can say “we’ve only had four weeks to train together” as an excuse for an average performance, we must remember it’s early days. Gary Monk has had virtually the same squad and drilled them for a long time – it shows. Conversely John Cartver had NO excuse for not getting the team to gel and play as he wanted. That’s not to say we don’t need to strengthen the defence – a CB, and RB back-up are desperately needed. HWTL! HWTF!

  • lochinvar

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:24 AM

    Comment #26

    Novo@10 I agree
    By booking Janmaat for the second time the Ref actually did something that was clearly lacking last season and that was yellow cards for fouls that broke up break out attacking play. This surely sets the precedent so can we now expect the likes of Chelski and ManUre players to be booked for cynical fouls ( which they are expert in) committed often in their own half ? Will the refs be consistent ? Have the refs been told to stamp out such fouls ? Will the refs give the fouls ? Will the refs hand out yellow cards even early in a game ? Are MOD and Sky monitoring the refs performance ? So when Aarons plays and starts an attack and is pulled up by a defender ( like Janmaat did ) to stop him getting away will we see the yellow card being waved at Arsenal players ? Will the FA deal with Swansea for players surrounding the ref and trying to influence his decisions ( which they did ) I reserve judgement.

  • magpie6699

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:25 AM

    Comment #27

    Lochinvar – is Serena Williams any good in the air? How much would she cost?

  • Laurent Robert 32

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:26 AM

    Comment #28

    Toonbrother, I like him, as I did Debuchy (who also got a slating from some initially). It’s just a shame he was stupid yesterday. He should know better, but I’ve noticed since he’s been here he does rash challenges in pointless place. Still, good player nevertheless.

  • magpiesi

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:27 AM

    Comment #29

    Carver and Stone going to be on goals on Sunday at 1030 wonder what drivel will come out his mouth today.

  • beermonkey

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:29 AM

    Comment #30

    Yorkshire mag

    he is doing well and seems to be scoring for fun I hope he moves to a championship club in jan
    he is better of out onloan than warming our bench

  • croftus5678

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:32 AM

    Comment #31

    there was simple things we did not get right and could be a big part of the problem !

    we defend far far far too deep ! yes i know colo has the speed of a tortoise but if they defend on the 18 yard box its just inviting shots and ball time in our half.

    we do not close players down or atleast saylor/colo/hairdryer do not and they keep backing away to make life harder for themselves.

    krul never comes out to punch or catch a ball from a cross of any sorts ! this ends in a hell of a lot of goals imo and makes the cb’s look a lot worse than they prob are.

    counter attack was/is wrong style of play for us as our defence can not handle it ! yes our fast players prob could make it a very good tactic but without all the team being strong at it we fail.

    our only striker cisse was playing in our own half ! i was looking for him every time we got the ball back and swans defenders was pretty much on half way line everytime with cisse half way in our half with their midfielders !!! if he had pushed the line then he would have taken 3-4 players out of play and made less pressure for our midfield/defenders.
    mitrovic when he came on made them play in their own box ! he not only dragged their 4 defenders back he also almost dragged 2 midfielders back as he was such a handfull !

    our off the ball movement needs to improve we stand their not giving the player with the ball any options or without creating space and even anita who is norm good at that had a very bad game.

  • Novocastrian66

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:33 AM

    Comment #32

    Lochinvar; I’ll answer all those questions now; No. I think you already know the answer though.

  • terencelim

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:34 AM

    Comment #33

    @toonbrother, “We have one of the best attacking line ups in the premier league.”


    Clearly you don’t watch other teams playing.

  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:38 AM

    Comment #34

    It’s not really fair yo put all the blame on the defense.

    I’ll bet you all upgrading Colo won’t change much…the way SM sat up the (with all his tactical decisions cough cough) just mounted pressure on the defense…

    …the exact opposite of what we need! The way we play and the unbalanced team we have is the culprit! I think!

  • Klatoon

    Aug 16, 2015 at 9:44 AM

    Comment #35

    See the difference; Koeman sees Soares on a yellow and facing Obertan…hooks him. Mclaren has Janmaat on a booking against the most on form LW this season…keeps him on.


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