We Need To Think About Manchester United And Stay Positive


Swansea started the game on Saturday like a stream train, well at least compared to the way Newcastle started the game, and we were second best for the first 20 minutes.

We could have been more than the one goal down after that initial period of the game, when we couldn’t deal with Johnjo Shelvey in the middle of the park, and Jefferson Montero on the left was a handful, and his great wing-play led to Daryl Janmaat’s dismissal just before half time.

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Fabricio Coloccini in action at the Liberty Stadium

That was our 7th away defeat on the trot and we’ve scored only one goal in those games, and now we are at  Old Trafford on Saturday.

Six of those defeats were during John Carver’s woeful time in charge earlier this year, and we had one win in the last 11 games of last season, and nine defeats – eight in a row at one point.

This is what the captain Fab Coloccini has said in the Chronicle today:

“We are going to keep trying hard for them.” “We will try to bring some points. It was very difficult for the fans, as they done a lot of travelling and made a long trip.”

“But we thank them again for coming to support us. We are going to need them during the season.”

“It was very tough. After the sending-off it was very difficult.” “Swansea had good possession like they always do, and we found it very difficult to get the ball and get in position.”

“We couldn’t do more than we did.” “We tried and our effort was OK,  but with 10 men it is very difficult.”

“Montero is a very good player, he’s top class.” “But it wasn’t just him, Shelvey played very well and Swansea overall moved the ball very quickly and very well.”

“They moved it fast and held good positions, so it was difficult for us to press especially with one man less.”

“We need to think about the next game and stay positive.” “We can’t say anything about referees, we can only try to help them because it’s a difficult for them.”

“It was maybe harsh (Janmaat sending off), but it was the ref’s decision and we have to respect that.”

It looks like we will hear more from Fabricio this season as the captain, and that’s probably come from head coach Steve McClaren to get him out talking to the fans more – that’s good.

Our defensive frailties were there for all to see on Saturday but the sending off killed us off.

Before that we had started to come into the game and were starting to play some good football and putting some attacks together.

We’ll never know what would have happened if Janmaat hadn’t been red-carded, so now the only thing that matters is how we play at Old Trafford and the result.

Maybe we can get a surprise result there, before we take on Arsenal at home, and then have the two week International break.

But is staying positive and thinking about Manchester United an oxymoron?

Maybe not.

Comments welcome.



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146 comments so far

  • sparky55

    Aug 17, 2015 at 9:33 AM

    Comment #1

    IMO opinion Cabella can come good, and so can Rivi…which is why I don’t think we’ll ever buy Austin and why I think Cisse will be gone before the window shuts too.

    Thauvin coming spells danger…at least 2 players have to leave for him to come in.

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  • TheToonKing

    Aug 17, 2015 at 9:38 AM

    Comment #2

    I agree with Sparky. I think Cabella is too good to just let go, he’s had a season to adjust, he should be given another chance.

    Thauvin is a different kind of player, but I’m not sure if he’s better then Cabella.

    If he is going on loan to OM , then it is indeed a deal ” too good to refuse) for OM.

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  • sparky55

    Aug 17, 2015 at 9:40 AM

    Comment #3

    We’re not going to get a result from the Mancs next week playing like that so may as well blood all the fringe players in an all out attack formation.

    Krul

    Saylor Colo Mbemba

    Obertan Colback Anita Winjy Aarons

    Cisse Mitrovic

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  • hibbit

    Aug 17, 2015 at 9:41 AM

    Comment #4

    thauvin should be oberton replacement not cabella

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  • JamesToon

    Aug 17, 2015 at 9:42 AM

    Comment #5

    Pierre Menes on Twitter has just announced the deal is done for Thauvin but not sure whether Cabella is included as part of the deal.

    http://www.foot-sur7.fr/257122-om-mercato-pierre-mns-annonce-le-dpart-de-florian-thauvin

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  • Ron Knee

    Aug 17, 2015 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #6

    On Thauvin, it’s worth remembering this is all press speculation at the moment.

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  • thejokethatisnufc

    Aug 17, 2015 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #7

    Il be positive when we have signed atleast GOOD 3 defenders.

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  • Toonfan8

    Aug 17, 2015 at 9:50 AM

    Comment #8

    Thauvin is pure winger, good player, more dynamic and more powerfull than R.Cabella, he looks like that he is suited to premier league. Hope he will be great here…is very direct and good at set pieces

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  • sparky55

    Aug 17, 2015 at 9:52 AM

    Comment #9

    When Sissoko goes to wherever he’s going I bet he won’t be used as a winger

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  • Toonfan8

    Aug 17, 2015 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #10

    but Willems and Abdennour should be our main targets…with them and Thauvin, we will come really good…But we need time to gel, I am confident, we will be once again great side…

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  • lochinvar

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #11

    Just when you think it’s safe to go back in the water…
    Former Newcastle United manager John Carver and assistant Steve Stone are ready to get back into management. (Newcastle Chronicle)

    Good luck to them – they are NUFC fans

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  • lesh

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #12

    Moe

    From previous thread.

    Maybe we didn’t go for Shaqiri because he’s Kosovan Albanian stock and Mitrovic a Serb.

    There’s still bad blood between the warring factions and it goes back many many years.

    I know footballers are supposed to be professional and all that but…..

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  • Jib

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #13

    Lesh
    I always used to post with a precis of the article , but the blog policeman (Mr Tuff) told me (cos he knows you know) that EVERYONE found it irritating.

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  • lochinvar

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #14

    Newcastle United and Everton are interested in Werder Bremen defender Jannik Vestergaard, but the 23-year-old insists he is not aware of a potential move. (Daily Express)

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  • Jamseyd24

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #15

    Surely the fek the powers that be can see we are shocking at defending crosses and will do something about it.

    I doubt it but I am hoping. Biggest mistake of the summer was not letting Colo leave.

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  • lesh

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:08 AM

    Comment #16

    Lochinvar

    Yes, Carver and Stone are trying to get into management and given Carver’s utterences and failure to motivate the players last season, I think his chances of getting there are very very slim.

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  • Jib

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:08 AM

    Comment #17

    Lesh
    In brief
    Pierre Menes a really well known Canal+ commentator and pundit has posted on his twitter account Thauvin to us for €17million with Cabella the other way for a seasons loan with an option to buy – done deal

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  • hibbit

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #18

    toonfan 8 all 3 could do a job for us if we get them but we dont have a leader / organiser on the pitch we a dummy who cant or wont take his captains responsibilty seriously

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  • lesh

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #19

    Jib

    Ich versteher. Herr Ubergruppen Führer ist Gott!

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  • Mister Tuff

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #20

    jib/jeff/jibberish – I do not object at all to someone posting a good link.
    Problem I have is that you post some utter rubbish and some of your links have absolutely no relevance at all.
    If you lessened the rubish links that would be fine.
    Personally unless there is a short explanation about the link – a good precis of what it contains -I would now rarely click on it to see what it contains.
    So cut the rubbish link on every subject under the sun, keep them relevant and incude a short precis.

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  • lesh

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #21

    Jib

    Herr Tuff ist ein Ubergruppen Führer?

    Nein, nein. Er ist ein gute Mann!

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  • Jib

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #22

    I don’t know why people are so anti Thauvin.

    He’s going to be our David Silva.

    He can play right or left wing or attacking midfielder.

    I’m coming more to the idea that Colo may be pushed forward to provide greater physical presence and vision in front of our defence.

    I had no problems with Dummett as CB

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  • Our Toon

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    Comment #23

    The deal makes perfect sense regarding Thauvin and Cabella. The Cabella everyone saw in France played centrally behind the striker, he was allowed time etc. He’s shown nothing here at all. Even if settling in to a new team you have to show some sort of quality, 45mins v chelsea and they stifled him 2nd half but he got no goals or assists and Hull game are the only 2 to rave about.

    Thauvin is a set piece taker, we have none of them in the team, and more importantly he’s a proper wide man unlike Cabella.

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  • Jamseyd24

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    Comment #24

    Is Thauvin any good??? cant say iv seen much of him.

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  • lesh

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #25

    Mr Tuff

    You’ve fully narrated the point I was trying to make to Jib.

    A non-English language link just leads me to ignore it.

    Such a shame as O’m sure Jib spends many hours researching ’em!

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  • the broons

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #26

    the obvious flaw of the thauvin/cabella deal is if cabella comes good, and thauvin is a flop then we’ve spent money on a downgrade….

    The obvious flaw of this transfer window so far is still the inability of us to go in for a proper centre back! Apparently even Sunderland are about to address this issue. The only defence in the league possibly worst than ours.

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  • hibbit

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #27

    jib if thats the case even more reason to get the big cb we need i do think colo could do a job there

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  • Mister Tuff

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #28

    jib – if you seriously think Colo is going to play in front of the defence it really demostrates your knowledge/understanding of the player himself and football in general.
    It will not happen.

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  • jayphoto

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #29

    @Lesh – shaqiri is militant on the Kosovo issue too! Worth noting in the past he’s been naive in anti Serbian comments he’s made. He’s also been linked in social circles with some pretty heavy Kosovo militia types. Worth noting too that Mitro comes from a military background through his dad.
    Footballers are professional but theres a reason Stoke were able to sign Shaqiri for such a little price considering for me he’s one of the top 5 in his position in the world and it’s definitely not a footballing reason

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  • WWSBRD

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #30

    Thauvin for 12 mill plus Cabella, disappointing I reckon though nothing to say its true at this point

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  • Blofal

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #31

    Thauvin is a left footer who primarily plays right wing.

    Perhaps the thinking is Thauvin out wide and Sissoko moves centrally.

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #32

    What did we pay for Cabella anyone know?

    …I will assume we would get that back seeing as OM wants us to pay them more than them paid for an underperforming Thauvin.

    Where’s the CB we need and the wide playing forward? Where’s Charmless? and McClaren really ever play 4-3-3 or is that just a myth?

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  • WWSBRD

    Aug 17, 2015 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #33

    jayphoto
    One of the top 5 in his position in the world? Didnt he bomb out at both Bayern and Inter?

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  • jayphoto

    Aug 17, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #34

    Personally thrilled with signing Thauvin! I loved him at Bastia. Last season at Marsielle under Bielsa he would have ran more miles than any of our side too so no question of his work rate. If anything, Bielsa’s ‘methods’ hampered his creativity and flair and more emphasis was placed onto work rate.
    The excitement about Thauvin isn’t what he is, but what he could be! Personally I think he’ll be well suited to the English game as in France most teams sit deep, especially against Marseille, psg and lyon whereas in England the space will be there to go past players.
    Reminds me of the Samir nasri that was at Arsenal!

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  • jayphoto

    Aug 17, 2015 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #35

    @WWSBRD – not at either. He fell behind robben at Bayern (the best winger in the world for me) and pretty sure his problems at Inter have been personal/attitude problems.
    Talent wise though the guys amazing, not sure the mental side of Shaqiri is right though

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  • Blofal

    Aug 17, 2015 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #36

    I’m hoping we bring in Willems at LB. Rudiger at CB. And another young RB to challenge Janmaat.

    Wishful thinking?

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  • sparky55

    Aug 17, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #37

    The retention of Colo in any capacity whatsoever is the stupidest move I’ve ever witnessed at Newcastle…Oooops no…sorry…it’s the 2nd stupidist move I’ve ever witnessed at newcastle…the one year extension to Colo’s contract is the stupidist move I’ve ever seen.

    I would reluctantly accept keeping him for in his last year as club captain and as back-up whilst we reform the back four if we couldn’t buy another CB in this summer window…but to keep him, not find his replacement AND extend his contract is sheer lunacy.

    You could play him for the next two years next to Mbemba but they wouldn’t be good together simply because Colo has only ever been comfortable in the UK when playing in the Championship.

    One duffer and one decent CB does not a good premiership CB pairing make.

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  • WWSBRD

    Aug 17, 2015 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #38

    jayphoto
    HBA syndrome then?
    I dont agree on Shaqiri though haha not having top 5 winger in the world like

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  • Our Toon

    Aug 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #39

    The flaw could be if Cabella comes good, it’s a huge if though, even Sammy was more productive than him last season. I for one will be glad to not see pointless stepovers when no one is around.

    So far in the opening 2 games we’ve had shocking set pieces so a need for a proper set piece taker is in the first xi. Thauvin is younger than Cabella and has more talent than Cabella. Another dud season season for Cabella with us will mean no takers of any sort!!

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  • jayphoto

    Aug 17, 2015 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #40

    @Jesper – Think (im speculating) that Cabella was 7m with potential add ons that could take it up to 12m?
    Personally, I like Cabella, no one looked good last season and I’d love to see him under a better staff but got to be honest, I didn’t see anything last season to suggest he’s good enough.
    Question is, does he even want to stay? He’s not going to be #10 for NUFC (think he looked better as wide player at Montpellier, but he wants to play central).
    Ideally we’d have Cabella left, Thauvin right but If its one or the other I would take Thauvin. He’s an actual wide player, would give us shape and he’s a bit more direct.

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