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We Need To Think About Manchester United And Stay Positive

9:30 am, Monday, August 17th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 146 Comments

Swansea started the game on Saturday like a stream train, well at least compared to the way Newcastle started the game, and we were second best for the first 20 minutes.

We could have been more than the one goal down after that initial period of the game, when we couldn’t deal with Johnjo Shelvey in the middle of the park, and Jefferson Montero on the left was a handful, and his great wing-play led to Daryl Janmaat’s dismissal just before half time.

coloccini at swansea 2-0

Fabricio Coloccini in action at the Liberty Stadium

That was our 7th away defeat on the trot and we’ve scored only one goal in those games, and now we are at  Old Trafford on Saturday.

Six of those defeats were during John Carver’s woeful time in charge earlier this year, and we had one win in the last 11 games of last season, and nine defeats – eight in a row at one point.

This is what the captain Fab Coloccini has said in the Chronicle today:

“We are going to keep trying hard for them.” “We will try to bring some points. It was very difficult for the fans, as they done a lot of travelling and made a long trip.”

“But we thank them again for coming to support us. We are going to need them during the season.”

“It was very tough. After the sending-off it was very difficult.” “Swansea had good possession like they always do, and we found it very difficult to get the ball and get in position.”

“We couldn’t do more than we did.” “We tried and our effort was OK,  but with 10 men it is very difficult.”

“Montero is a very good player, he’s top class.” “But it wasn’t just him, Shelvey played very well and Swansea overall moved the ball very quickly and very well.”

“They moved it fast and held good positions, so it was difficult for us to press especially with one man less.”

“We need to think about the next game and stay positive.” “We can’t say anything about referees, we can only try to help them because it’s a difficult for them.”

“It was maybe harsh (Janmaat sending off), but it was the ref’s decision and we have to respect that.”

It looks like we will hear more from Fabricio this season as the captain, and that’s probably come from head coach Steve McClaren to get him out talking to the fans more – that’s good.

Our defensive frailties were there for all to see on Saturday but the sending off killed us off.

Before that we had started to come into the game and were starting to play some good football and putting some attacks together.

We’ll never know what would have happened if Janmaat hadn’t been red-carded, so now the only thing that matters is how we play at Old Trafford and the result.

Maybe we can get a surprise result there, before we take on Arsenal at home, and then have the two week International break.

But is staying positive and thinking about Manchester United an oxymoron?

Maybe not.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Coaching · Fabricio Coloccini · Interview · Newcastle News · Premier League

146 responses so far ↓

  • 1 sparky55 // Aug 17, 2015 at 9:33 AM

    IMO opinion Cabella can come good, and so can Rivi…which is why I don’t think we’ll ever buy Austin and why I think Cisse will be gone before the window shuts too.

    Thauvin coming spells danger…at least 2 players have to leave for him to come in.

  • 2 TheToonKing // Aug 17, 2015 at 9:38 AM

    I agree with Sparky. I think Cabella is too good to just let go, he’s had a season to adjust, he should be given another chance.

    Thauvin is a different kind of player, but I’m not sure if he’s better then Cabella.

    If he is going on loan to OM , then it is indeed a deal ” too good to refuse) for OM.

  • 3 sparky55 // Aug 17, 2015 at 9:40 AM

    We’re not going to get a result from the Mancs next week playing like that so may as well blood all the fringe players in an all out attack formation.


    Saylor Colo Mbemba

    Obertan Colback Anita Winjy Aarons

    Cisse Mitrovic

  • 4 hibbit // Aug 17, 2015 at 9:41 AM

    thauvin should be oberton replacement not cabella

  • 5 JamesToon // Aug 17, 2015 at 9:42 AM

    Pierre Menes on Twitter has just announced the deal is done for Thauvin but not sure whether Cabella is included as part of the deal.

  • 6 Ron Knee // Aug 17, 2015 at 9:45 AM

    On Thauvin, it’s worth remembering this is all press speculation at the moment.

  • 7 thejokethatisnufc // Aug 17, 2015 at 9:46 AM

    Il be positive when we have signed atleast GOOD 3 defenders.

  • 8 Toonfan8 // Aug 17, 2015 at 9:50 AM

    Thauvin is pure winger, good player, more dynamic and more powerfull than R.Cabella, he looks like that he is suited to premier league. Hope he will be great here…is very direct and good at set pieces

  • 9 sparky55 // Aug 17, 2015 at 9:52 AM

    When Sissoko goes to wherever he’s going I bet he won’t be used as a winger

  • 10 Toonfan8 // Aug 17, 2015 at 9:55 AM

    but Willems and Abdennour should be our main targets…with them and Thauvin, we will come really good…But we need time to gel, I am confident, we will be once again great side…

  • 11 lochinvar // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:01 AM

    Just when you think it’s safe to go back in the water…
    Former Newcastle United manager John Carver and assistant Steve Stone are ready to get back into management. (Newcastle Chronicle)

    Good luck to them – they are NUFC fans

  • 12 lesh // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:03 AM


    From previous thread.

    Maybe we didn’t go for Shaqiri because he’s Kosovan Albanian stock and Mitrovic a Serb.

    There’s still bad blood between the warring factions and it goes back many many years.

    I know footballers are supposed to be professional and all that but…..

  • 13 Jib // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:03 AM

    I always used to post with a precis of the article , but the blog policeman (Mr Tuff) told me (cos he knows you know) that EVERYONE found it irritating.

  • 14 lochinvar // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    Newcastle United and Everton are interested in Werder Bremen defender Jannik Vestergaard, but the 23-year-old insists he is not aware of a potential move. (Daily Express)

  • 15 Jamseyd24 // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:06 AM

    Surely the fek the powers that be can see we are shocking at defending crosses and will do something about it.

    I doubt it but I am hoping. Biggest mistake of the summer was not letting Colo leave.

  • 16 lesh // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:08 AM


    Yes, Carver and Stone are trying to get into management and given Carver’s utterences and failure to motivate the players last season, I think his chances of getting there are very very slim.

  • 17 Jib // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:08 AM

    In brief
    Pierre Menes a really well known Canal+ commentator and pundit has posted on his twitter account Thauvin to us for €17million with Cabella the other way for a seasons loan with an option to buy – done deal

  • 18 hibbit // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:09 AM

    toonfan 8 all 3 could do a job for us if we get them but we dont have a leader / organiser on the pitch we a dummy who cant or wont take his captains responsibilty seriously

  • 19 lesh // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:10 AM


    Ich versteher. Herr Ubergruppen Führer ist Gott!

  • 20 Mister Tuff // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    jib/jeff/jibberish – I do not object at all to someone posting a good link.
    Problem I have is that you post some utter rubbish and some of your links have absolutely no relevance at all.
    If you lessened the rubish links that would be fine.
    Personally unless there is a short explanation about the link – a good precis of what it contains -I would now rarely click on it to see what it contains.
    So cut the rubbish link on every subject under the sun, keep them relevant and incude a short precis.

  • 21 lesh // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:13 AM


    Herr Tuff ist ein Ubergruppen Führer?

    Nein, nein. Er ist ein gute Mann!

  • 22 Jib // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    I don’t know why people are so anti Thauvin.

    He’s going to be our David Silva.

    He can play right or left wing or attacking midfielder.

    I’m coming more to the idea that Colo may be pushed forward to provide greater physical presence and vision in front of our defence.

    I had no problems with Dummett as CB

  • 23 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    The deal makes perfect sense regarding Thauvin and Cabella. The Cabella everyone saw in France played centrally behind the striker, he was allowed time etc. He’s shown nothing here at all. Even if settling in to a new team you have to show some sort of quality, 45mins v chelsea and they stifled him 2nd half but he got no goals or assists and Hull game are the only 2 to rave about.

    Thauvin is a set piece taker, we have none of them in the team, and more importantly he’s a proper wide man unlike Cabella.

  • 24 Jamseyd24 // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    Is Thauvin any good??? cant say iv seen much of him.

  • 25 lesh // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:17 AM

    Mr Tuff

    You’ve fully narrated the point I was trying to make to Jib.

    A non-English language link just leads me to ignore it.

    Such a shame as O’m sure Jib spends many hours researching ’em!

  • 26 the broons // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:17 AM

    the obvious flaw of the thauvin/cabella deal is if cabella comes good, and thauvin is a flop then we’ve spent money on a downgrade….

    The obvious flaw of this transfer window so far is still the inability of us to go in for a proper centre back! Apparently even Sunderland are about to address this issue. The only defence in the league possibly worst than ours.

  • 27 hibbit // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:17 AM

    jib if thats the case even more reason to get the big cb we need i do think colo could do a job there

  • 28 Mister Tuff // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:18 AM

    jib – if you seriously think Colo is going to play in front of the defence it really demostrates your knowledge/understanding of the player himself and football in general.
    It will not happen.

  • 29 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:53 AM

    @Lesh – shaqiri is militant on the Kosovo issue too! Worth noting in the past he’s been naive in anti Serbian comments he’s made. He’s also been linked in social circles with some pretty heavy Kosovo militia types. Worth noting too that Mitro comes from a military background through his dad.
    Footballers are professional but theres a reason Stoke were able to sign Shaqiri for such a little price considering for me he’s one of the top 5 in his position in the world and it’s definitely not a footballing reason

  • 30 WWSBRD // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:55 AM

    Thauvin for 12 mill plus Cabella, disappointing I reckon though nothing to say its true at this point

  • 31 Blofal // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:58 AM

    Thauvin is a left footer who primarily plays right wing.

    Perhaps the thinking is Thauvin out wide and Sissoko moves centrally.

  • 32 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:58 AM

    What did we pay for Cabella anyone know?

    …I will assume we would get that back seeing as OM wants us to pay them more than them paid for an underperforming Thauvin.

    Where’s the CB we need and the wide playing forward? Where’s Charmless? and McClaren really ever play 4-3-3 or is that just a myth?

  • 33 WWSBRD // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:59 AM

    One of the top 5 in his position in the world? Didnt he bomb out at both Bayern and Inter?

  • 34 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    Personally thrilled with signing Thauvin! I loved him at Bastia. Last season at Marsielle under Bielsa he would have ran more miles than any of our side too so no question of his work rate. If anything, Bielsa’s ‘methods’ hampered his creativity and flair and more emphasis was placed onto work rate.
    The excitement about Thauvin isn’t what he is, but what he could be! Personally I think he’ll be well suited to the English game as in France most teams sit deep, especially against Marseille, psg and lyon whereas in England the space will be there to go past players.
    Reminds me of the Samir nasri that was at Arsenal!

  • 35 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:02 AM

    @WWSBRD – not at either. He fell behind robben at Bayern (the best winger in the world for me) and pretty sure his problems at Inter have been personal/attitude problems.
    Talent wise though the guys amazing, not sure the mental side of Shaqiri is right though

  • 36 Blofal // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:02 AM

    I’m hoping we bring in Willems at LB. Rudiger at CB. And another young RB to challenge Janmaat.

    Wishful thinking?

  • 37 sparky55 // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    The retention of Colo in any capacity whatsoever is the stupidest move I’ve ever witnessed at Newcastle…Oooops no…sorry…it’s the 2nd stupidist move I’ve ever witnessed at newcastle…the one year extension to Colo’s contract is the stupidist move I’ve ever seen.

    I would reluctantly accept keeping him for in his last year as club captain and as back-up whilst we reform the back four if we couldn’t buy another CB in this summer window…but to keep him, not find his replacement AND extend his contract is sheer lunacy.

    You could play him for the next two years next to Mbemba but they wouldn’t be good together simply because Colo has only ever been comfortable in the UK when playing in the Championship.

    One duffer and one decent CB does not a good premiership CB pairing make.

  • 38 WWSBRD // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:05 AM

    HBA syndrome then?
    I dont agree on Shaqiri though haha not having top 5 winger in the world like

  • 39 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM

    The flaw could be if Cabella comes good, it’s a huge if though, even Sammy was more productive than him last season. I for one will be glad to not see pointless stepovers when no one is around.

    So far in the opening 2 games we’ve had shocking set pieces so a need for a proper set piece taker is in the first xi. Thauvin is younger than Cabella and has more talent than Cabella. Another dud season season for Cabella with us will mean no takers of any sort!!

  • 40 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:08 AM

    @Jesper – Think (im speculating) that Cabella was 7m with potential add ons that could take it up to 12m?
    Personally, I like Cabella, no one looked good last season and I’d love to see him under a better staff but got to be honest, I didn’t see anything last season to suggest he’s good enough.
    Question is, does he even want to stay? He’s not going to be #10 for NUFC (think he looked better as wide player at Montpellier, but he wants to play central).
    Ideally we’d have Cabella left, Thauvin right but If its one or the other I would take Thauvin. He’s an actual wide player, would give us shape and he’s a bit more direct.

  • 41 Ravostag // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:08 AM

    Could it be that stoke were the only club to offer shaqiri 80k aweek and nothing else?

  • 42 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:09 AM


    I’d take ben arfa syndrome right now in the team, better than the unproductive charlatans currently playing. We can’t defend we all know that but we create very very little as well. At least with the likes of arfa he’d commit players and have 2 doubling up on him. These are the type of players we need!!

  • 43 the broons // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:09 AM


    that would be perfect!

  • 44 Sav // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:14 AM

    It is shocking that we have no-one who can kick a dead ball, which looks like why we are going for Thauvin
    – 50k a week and they can’t kick a ball with no-one within 10 yards and make it go where they want it to.

  • 45 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:14 AM


    We could have Tony Adams and John Terry in there prime along with Ashley Cole and Gary Neville but we’d still struggle defensively. Our current defenders aren’t great but the 2 sitting in front of them are utter shite, Colback and Anita provide no defensive support whatsoever. If good players are allowed time and space on the ball then ultimately you’ll get punished. Shelvey was allowed all the time in the world on saturday.

  • 46 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:14 AM

    @WWSBRD – not top 5 winger, top 5 right winger 😉 Maybe top 10 winger. If he can transport his international form to league he’ll be a player. Just think something must seriously be off with him. 12m in these times is nothing money yet every team in Germany turned their back on signing him (despite the fact he wanted to go back to bundesliga).
    Stoke offered for him at the end of June and he spent 6 weeks trying to sign for another club and no one came in.
    This is a guy that is only 23 and has 50 champions league games, 50 games for Bayern and 300 competitive career games under his belt. He’s also got 17 international goals and nearly 50 caps including a WC hattrick under his belt…. And is still only 23….
    Impossible to believe that at only 12m and he’s on relatively low wages (under 60,000 p/w) that only Stoke fancied him…

  • 47 WWSBRD // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:14 AM

    Our Toon
    Id rather have a player with HBA skills but Colbacks attitude than someone with HBA syndrome mate

  • 48 ilovetoon8788 // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:15 AM

    Apparently thauvin performance for marseille in the weekend was absolutely rubbish. Expecting more of it when he’s here. Not particularly bothered if he comes or doesn’t. I think he’s a very poor player. Either way,

    Where the f is the centre we need??

  • 49 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:20 AM

    Colo gets alot of stick on here and rightly most of the time but Ayew’s goal is a funny one for me. When the cross comes in Colo is actually marking Gomis, Saylor had pushed across to cover the space between himself and Mbemba, Ayew ran from midfield with no Colback or Anita tracking the run. Ayew made that late surge in between Colo and saylor.

    If Colo leaves Gomis and goes to ayew and the cross goes over to Gomis then Colo is criticised, if he sticks to Gomis and doesn’t see the late run of Ayew until it’s to late he’s criticised. Damned of he does and Damned of he doesn’t. At what point do we realise that the 2 inept holding players are to blame for most goals?

  • 50 WWSBRD // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:20 AM

    Tbh I reckon hes one of those who looks great in a poorer side, when he is the main man but I dont really know all that much about him if am honest…might be why am not that fussed about ‘missing’ out on him

    Isnt he on 80k+ at Stoke though? I saw some bloke in Germany complained that he turned Schalke down because they only offered him around 50-60k, again could be wrong

    I agree there is something off with him when he was begging for someone else to come in and no one did

  • 51 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:22 AM

    Maybe they’ll use Thauvin on the left??
    He played left wing for Bastia when Carr originally scouted him and the club went in for him the first time.

  • 52 WWSBRD // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:22 AM

    Our Toon
    Are u saying it wasnt all Colo’s fault? Thats a risky opinion to have these days

  • 53 sparky55 // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:24 AM

    Our Toon

    I completely agree but will go on to add that in isolation our back four are average as individuals but proper pants as a unit.

    Even if you had the best midfield in the world, at some point a winger is going to get in behind or a good pass is going to split the defence and at that point the midfield are out of the equation and we’re now left with Colo and Mbemba and possibly one full back providing cover at their relative back post…and we all know what happens now and it’s mainly because Colo is always out of position and leaving a mass of space somewhere for someone to create havoc.

    Anita and Colback were bad on Saturday but were pretty good against Southampton yet we still let in two poorly defended goals both from crosses.

    Lots of teams now play with a winger who swaps wings and an intelligent No 10 who can split defences. You don’t need that intelligent No 10 when playing us because you know if you get 10 decent crosses in a game you’ll score at least 2 against us.

    Midfield or no midfield, our defence is pants

  • 54 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:25 AM

    In terms of wingers, I’ve just got back from a week in Amsterdam and caught the game this weekend!
    Anwar El Ghazi looked phenomenal! Absolute machine! Think he’s early 20’s?? Definitely one for the future!
    Milik looked decent aswell! But was really impressed with El Ghazi

  • 55 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:25 AM


    Sanchez of Arsenal is the only player in world football with them abilities then. Look at Mahrez at Leicester, Pearson used him as a bit part player because he didn’t do the defensive aspect as well. Ranieri sees him as his go to man, doesn’t matter what you do defensively as long as he threatens at the other end.

    We got rid of an arfa type player and kept the likes of obertan, Gouffran even Cabella. All do a decent job for the team but offer nothing else as an attacking threat or even attacking outlet.

  • 56 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:30 AM

    Ben Arfa has looked a lot off the pace so far for Nice! Scored a pen but his dribbling has lost a bit of the explosiveness he used to have. Gave away the ball so often in the first 2 games. He’s starting to resemble a world cup 94 Maradona! Obviously immense ability but he’s definitely lacking in fitness.
    Be a hell of a player though if he decides he wants to be a winner at some point

  • 57 lesh // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:32 AM


    Given what you said about Shaqiri and Mitrovic is correct, and if the Club considered the potential for trouble, then they’ve done the right thing in not signing Shaqiri.

  • 58 WWSBRD // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:34 AM

    Our Toon
    Hmm plenty of wingers who will work a lot harder than Benny did

    Hes happy at Nice and am happy for the bloke but I dont miss him all that much

  • 59 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:35 AM

    @WWSBRD – one of my clients is a stoke box holder and childhood friends with Peter Coates at Stoke. He’s adamant that stoke NEVER go above £60k p/w for wages so I don’t know. Might be on some hefty bonuses for goals/apps etc
    Shaqiri is interesting. Really not a guardiola style player but then neither is Robben or Ribery but they’ve done well. When ever I’ve seen him he’s looked dangerous, very strong, very quick and always looking to go past players. Remember him single handedly ripping Ferguson’s Man Utd apart for Basel as a 19/20 year old…
    Think he needs to be the big fish though. Stoke are signing quite the attractive team though adding Shaqiri to Bojan. Its like Mark hughes is signing from the young players to look out for book of 2010….

  • 60 2_goal_tino // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:36 AM

    I’ve got to be honest … i don’t understand people’s love for Shaqiri. Played well in a few world cup games but has never replicated it at club level or on a consistent basis. It is pretty widely known in both Germany and Italy that he has a poor attitude and is a particularly lazy trainer. It appears like he wants to always be the main man and when he isn’t has a strop – hence why he flopped at Inter and Bayern whereas was/is okay for Basel and Switzerland. That being said, I’m sure at Stoke he will be the ‘main man’ so may well excel…

    He undoubtedly has talent and a huge amount of potential but people heralding the Stoke signing as a masterstroke and expecting him to light up the league immediately are IMO wide of the mark. It is all so similar to Bojan… signs and people expect the world from him cause he was good on a computer game, disappoints in the first few months and takes time to settle in, once settled will show some talent and play at the level of a standard mid-table player but will put in the odd eye-catching performance which will make the highlights reel on MOTD.

    Personally, at the prices and wages that were demanded, I’m more annoyed that we passed on Andre Ayew.

  • 61 TheToonKing // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:39 AM

    @jayphoto it’s really sad, I loved Benny, but he’s done. If he didn’t decide to be a winner when he was with Lyon and us, he’s not goign to decide now at 28 years old and playing out of shape at Nice.

    He couldn’t even get into Hull’s team. Really sad as he is probably the most talented player I ever saw in my life.

  • 62 Thump // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:39 AM

    @Our Toon: I agree that our holding midfielders didn’t do enough, but I’d also argue that Colo didn’t do enough in the air, despite starting at a disadvantage. He basically just got up on his tip toes.

  • 63 Blofal // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    I think Anita and Colback did well against Southampton because Southampton were not playing very well. Both should be squad players.

  • 64 Transfer Sage // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    Our toon

    I agree to an extent. People seem to think a winger or forward has to track back to be doing his defensive job, that’s not always the case. They can do a lot of defensive work up the pitch by closing and pressuring defenders, also staying high up to make the opposition keep more players back and counter attack.

    It all depends on whether a manager is able to strike the correct balance with the players he has available, some are much better than others.

    Saying that though not all players are prepared to work hard enough and sometimes players won’t do the hard work needed. But as with everything, you sometimew need to allow these creative lads a spot in the side as they can turn games in minutes.

  • 65 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    @2 goal tino – Ayew looks a player!!! Missed out big time there.
    Crazy because everyone in France said he would be a success in the PL! No one is surprised. He’s got a reputation for being so hard working and professional that other players can dislike him for being holier than thou. He fell out with Gignac a few times over the big mans lack of professionalism.
    Can’t see Swansea keeping him for long. Top level player with a brain. Obviously chose Swansea with how they play in mind as the best club for his style and introduction to a more competitive league.

  • 66 WWSBRD // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:44 AM

    Who knows then mate but I assume he is getting well compensated for being at Stoke haha

    Yeah I think Hughes picked up FM 2010 and thought ‘bet them wonderkids are good now’ he’ll be in for Macheda and Kerrison next just u watch

  • 67 2_goal_tino // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:45 AM

    @ToonKing – He had a great 12 month period Jan 2012 – Jan 2013. But really wasn’t helped at the start of the 2012-2013 season when Pardew just scapegoated him for every goal we conceded even though he was by far our most in form player at the time and single-handedly winning us points.

  • 68 Rotonda heights // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:51 AM

    blofal at 36

    wishful thinking yes but that is desperately what needs to happen

  • 69 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:53 AM


    Do I think Colo could have done more in regards to a challanges to make it harder….yes. Was it Colo’s fault he was free in the 1st place… it wasn’t. Ayew runs from midfield, isn’t tracked by any of the midfielders, allowed to run and get a header.

  • 70 Rotonda heights // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:56 AM


    don’t think t’s a case of people being so much against thauvin, just more desperately wanting this apparently now available money spent on a good CB and LB as a priority.

    At leat thauvin would kick colback off set piece duty where he really is dire.

  • 71 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:57 AM

    The midfield is an interesting one for us. From what I’ve seen so far, I would put Gini is central midfield. Whether its 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 or 4-4-2, I think he has the strength and work rate to play a but further back and be on the ball more. His ball retention is excellent.
    Alongside him I’m not sure Colback is the answer. For me Tiote when he’s fit is a starter. Sissoko played deep for Toulouse and was very effective breaking up the play and was decent but not sure him and Gini together would offer the right protection.
    Ahead of him in the #10 role I would prefer De Jong. No pace granted, but we need guile and intelligence too. De Jong’s game is closer to the #9 which links midfield to attack slightly better. He’s slightly more sheringhamesque which is a must because our strikers (again) are looking isolated.
    Wide I think Obertan has been one of our better players in both games to be fair to him. Aarons is more of a live wire though although still learning the game I would like to see him get a start. On the right, our best option is probably Sissoko. Out wide he has power and pace whereas when he has a bad game it doesn’t affect the side as much as when he’s central. That said, Obertan has looked more interested so far this season.
    Looks like Thauvin is a done deal. Personally think they’ll use him on the left as Bastia did rather than the right.
    If we lined up with a side of
    RB Mbemba Colo Haidara
    Gini Tiote/sissoko
    Thauvin De Jong Aarons
    I would Think we have a good enough side to do well against a Man Utd side that don’t look particularly decent.

  • 72 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:58 AM

    @WWSBRD – I bet Cherno Samba is waiting by the phone for Hughes to call….

  • 73 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 11:58 AM


    I’m not surprised he’s looked off the pace, he’s been without a club for almost 8 months

  • 74 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:01 PM

    I look at at Montero and the roasting he gave to both Janmaat and Mbemba, then I look at obertan, just as quick if not quicker than Montero yet he struggles to beat the fullback or refuses to take him on. What Montero has done to both Ivanovic and Janmaat is something obertan should be doing, Obertan doesn’t do it though which is why I think he’s utter shite

  • 75 Fostino // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:02 PM

    If the gaffer wants to get thauvin. ..let’s get him. If he thinks cabella ain’t good enough. Let him off.

    Worst thing we did in the at couple of months was to sell Santon. Pet lb and back up for rb. Carver you tool.

    Get thauvin in. Get townsand…Austin and van djck in. Goodbye to goofy…Willo. ..saylor…bigi…marvo…elliot…..

  • 76 WWSBRD // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:03 PM

    Our Toon
    Hey dont have to convince me mate, Colo didnt cover himself in glory but he didnt walk the ball into the net by himself either

  • 77 WWSBRD // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM

    Carver didnt sell Santon

  • 78 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:06 PM

    @ourtoon – Had a whole pre season though. I both love and hate ben arfa for his time here. Can only go back to late 80’s but with a ball at his feet, the only player I’ve seen close to Ben Arfas ability was Beardsley. Heard Tony Green was up there but never saw him. With his ability he should be in the bracket of top 5-10 players in the world. Came through lyon with Benzema and I honestly think in raw ability back then HBA had the advantage.
    No doubt he’ll notch 12-15 goals this season and be on a few highlight reels before moving to a china/emirates on mega money but at the end of his career, he’s the only one he’s got to blame when he doesn’t have 80 French caps, a host of medals and the freedom of a Madrid or Barcelona because with the right aptitude and attitude he could have done anything he wanted. SO frustrating.

  • 79 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:06 PM

    I didn’t think Anita and Colback played well against Southampton, Mane ran right across our midfield for the 1st goal which meant obertan had to meet him, opened the space for the cross, Haidara was slow getting out and Mbemba got nowhere near Pelle. Number of errors but all started with the midfield pairing of Anita and Colback.

    Both of these lads want to pick up the ball deep from the defence, they want to play sideways passes rather than forward passes, they both bring exactly the same qualities to the team and nullify each other. I personally think both are poor and shouldn’t even be starting.

  • 80 WWSBRD // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:07 PM

    Haha if he moves for Munir and Samper then I think he got the new game as an early bday gift

  • 81 JamesToon // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:10 PM

    TS and Jayphoto agree with both of your posts.

    Gini can offer us a creative outlet from deep in the midfield a bit like Shelvey for Swansea. I’d play Colback next to him and keep him back and let him drop between the 2 CB’s. De Jong will do well for us I reckon with Mitrovic in front of them they could link up quite well (as shown against gladbach) then I’d have Aarons/Pérez and Sissoko on the wings with Thauvin ready to come off the bench against man united.

    No more sitting back like we did against Swansea, want us to show no fear and really press man united high up the pitch, don’t let them out and resort them to playing long balls. Don’t let any time or space for players like Rooney, schneiderlin or schweinsteiger as that was a big mistake we made against swansea

  • 82 JamesToon // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:11 PM

    If Tiote is fit then play him instead of Colback, but he needs to really anchor out midfield like he used to as saints players just ghosted past him as if he wasn’t there

  • 83 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:14 PM


    I completely agree with you regarding Arfa’s attitude, but would you rather obertan start or Arfa? At least arfa has the capabilities of doing great things. Obertan has the capability of tripping over the ball. The Greggs loving fella has gone and good luck to him but players like that will have attitude problems it just part of the package. Pardew is hardly the best person to work under though!!

    Look at what Janmaat did on saturday, he knew he’d get sent off and took the cowards option because he was made to look like what some have said on here…..A piss poor defender. He deliberately got himself sent off, Montero broke him mentally in 40mins. That to me is a huge attitude and mentality problem, because it’s Janmaat he gets away with it….now imagine if that was colo

  • 84 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:15 PM

    Jay…thanks for your insights mate 🙂

  • 85 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:16 PM


    Pressing high up the pitch is the way to get the best out of players rather than sitting back and letting them have the ball like we did on saturday. Wingers pressing high up the pitch rather than babysitting fullbacks

  • 86 davetoon // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:17 PM

    Dortmund had a nice 4-0 win over BMG in what was Thomas Tuchel’s first game in charge. Be interesting to see how he goes for the season.

  • 87 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:22 PM

    I agree Ayew looks a player. Wake up Mr Carr. Time for your afternoon pills.

  • 88 geordie157 // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:23 PM

    Only seen Thauvin a few times, he reminded me a bit of Lamela.

    And i think he’d be the same in the Prem as Lamela, struggling first season and improving a lot second season.

    So on that basis it definately makes no sense to let Cabella leave. We know at some point De Jong will be injured, so the no.10 would be perfect to have Cabella waiting as back up. He also fits the style of play McLaren wants and he will benefit from having Anita and Wijnaldum in the side.

    The lack of movement on centre backs is what worries me, wonder if we are waiting to see if Rudiger recovers before the window shuts. Dunk coming in with Williamson going as part of the deal makes sense but he’s not the commanding cb we need either but would improve us.

    I like Haidara and think if he stays fit he’ll improve a lot this season but at the same time i think we need better quality there. Willems possibly, although think he’s got injured now.

    RB cover is a bit concerning too, with Janmaat suspended, Anita isn’t good enough at rb. Mbemba possibly is the option but that means a Taylor and Colo cb pairing.

    Plenty of work to do for McLaren & Co.

  • 89 Ibizatoon // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:29 PM

    Blackley…Hasn’t Ayew supposedly been on Carrs list for a few years?

    Of course this is only based on speculation and paper rumours.

  • 90 The overrated Frenchman // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:32 PM

    Well I’m another who thinks that Anita and Colback together are a liability in midfield. Colback has a good work ethic but nothing else to recommend him. Anita pretty much the same though he has a better passing range. It’s a very mundane pairing and tactic, but it seems that’s McClaren’s style.

  • 91 Jib // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:32 PM

    It’s on French Eurosport now

    A precis
    It seems we want him so much that we have made Le Brun an offer he just cannot refuse.
    It is now €20million (17 + 3 in bonuses).
    Everyone is quite shocked as he was given Ayews no.10 shirt and looked to be reconciled to at least one more season en La Belle France.

  • 92 Take a Chancel on me // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:32 PM

    Abdennour after thauvin?

  • 93 LGFUAD21 // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:50 PM

    Nufccursed from previous thread.

    Agree. Moussa cannot control a ball.

    Other fans seem to rate him highly because they only see the one game against Chelsea each year that he turns up.

  • 94 geordie157 // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:51 PM

    I think vs Swansea, on the back of running circles round Ivanovic on the opening weekend which doesn’t happen often! We should have set up to stop him, personally i would have put Wijnaldum in front of Janmaat to help him out. Moving Sissoko into the middle with Anita and Colback staying back to stop Shelvey and Sigurdsson.

    Mitrovic on from the start to at least give the centre backs something to think about. Cisse is too easy to mark out of a game.

  • 95 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:56 PM

    To be fair on Ayew theres a lot been said that we made a very attractive offer to him, as did a few others, Roma and Everton to name two, he just decided to go to Swansea. Don’t know what they are paying him but I know they gave Gomis stupid money because he was a free so maybe Ayew has got the same style deal. They haven’t really spent all that much in transfer fees so maybe their money goes more on wages? I don’t think its a case of Carr missing him though, more a case of Ayew deciding he’d rather go elsewhere

  • 96 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:56 PM

    I’m sure Carr’s list is as long as his King Percy’s list of excuses. Ayew would be on it somewhere.

    Let me wipe your chin Mr Carr. Now what’s that? You want a red pen to put a line through Cabella?

  • 97 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:58 PM

    @ourtoon – think Janmaat has that cheap red in him. Did the same at Leicester last year though Carvers lynching of Williamson masked it but Janmaats red was equally as stupid.

  • 98 Bobbybee // Aug 17, 2015 at 12:58 PM

    Ayew went to Swansea because of personal reasons. Can’t remember exact details, but the upshot was he wasn’t interested in talking to anybody else. For me. Janmaat got sent off because he lacks fight. Remember Liecester? Seconds left. Pointless foul? Attention distracted by Carver wrongly accusing Willo. I like Janmaat, but if this happens a third time he needs to do one. We now face Man Utd with an ever more depleted defence. That said, it’s early days. I’m not panicking yet. It will take time to settle in and everybody acknowledged that before the season started. Far too early to pass judgement. Unless anyone seriously thinks we’ll finish ahead of Chelsea and Liecester will finish top? The window’s still open and it’s far too soon to be greeting about relegation. Besides spending 200m quid, the damage inflicted over the last eight years was never going to be addressed overnight. Personally I’m willing to give them time to bring in whoever we need and time to get their philosophy drilled into players. Collo’s extension was probably a big mistake even Macca is realising now, but he was in a tight situation and backed a loser. It happens. It’s not the end of the world though.

  • 99 Bobbybee // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:03 PM

    Jay, snap! Both posting similar posts at the same time 😉 We’ll be the next accused of being multiple posters lmao!

  • 100 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:04 PM

    Think a lot of fans will be surprised by Thauvin, The guy has a really high work rate and an awful lot of energy! Good finisher too! He’s quite different to Lamela! He’s more Samir Nasri, even a little bit in style to Robert Pires. When his team has the ball his workrate and movement in endless! Always running to be in space! Hes a nightmare for markers!
    What makes Thauvin special is he has end product aswell as skill and speed. Weirdly that’s quite rare! Last season I wouldn’t judge him on account of how Bielsa styled Marseille. Thauvin is similar to Mitrovic in the sense that he could be a global superstar if he works hard and makes the right decisions!

  • 101 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM

    For anyone interested to, Thauvin is pronounced Toe-Von! Look forward to commentators cocking that up next year

  • 102 Offkey // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM

    Anyone think that free transfers asking for high wages are never going to come because we have someone with a match wage clause……..just a thought.

    In relation to hba, to be fair on the lad, if I had a team/manager that I knew I was better than going forward but they were all miffed with me for not covering a fullback, I might go on a burger munch just to miff them.

  • 103 optimistic prime // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:06 PM

    Ashley out

  • 104 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:07 PM

    @bobbybee – I got accused of being a multiple poster once, can’t remember with which poster though. Don’t get all the multiple posting, who has the time and energy to be bothered! I don’t even like having to sign in once lol

  • 105 Offkey // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:08 PM

    Bobby bee and Jay photo multiples out 😉

  • 106 Bobbybee // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:10 PM

    Jay, I find it bizarre people multipost on the same blog myself. Unfortunately, I’m just settling in for a damn good blog and I’m forced to drive to Boro and back. Maybe later?

  • 107 Bobbybee // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:11 PM

    Hopefully this will throw them off our trail jay lmao.

  • 108 Offkey // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:14 PM

    On thauvin, I don’t mind the look of the lad….youtube only I am afraid…..but not as an inverted winger, and if not used that way Aarons is down the pecking order more.

  • 109 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:16 PM

    Ayew went to Swansea for footballing reasons but he was also paid 5.7m as a signing on fee.

    We said that ayew was out of our financial reach, same with Gomis!!

  • 110 Offkey // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    Oh, likely not a match wage clause then just not willing to pay a player a signing on fee half of maybe his market value

  • 111 ShirebrookToon // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:19 PM

    Rumours on Tw@tter that 3 more incoming before window closes lmao

  • 112 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:20 PM

    Bobby and Jay

    Ahaha same comment regarding Janmaat, to be honest I forgot all about the Leicester game. Part of me thinks he bottled the fight with Montero and he wouldn’t have enjoyed facing Depay the following week.

  • 113 Offkey // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:20 PM

    To be fair, I thought 6 would be minimum this window…….

  • 114 ShirebrookToon // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:21 PM

    Think we should raid PSV for willems and narsingh

  • 115 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:24 PM


    6 minimum should have been the requirement, the only good thing to come out of defeat to Swansea is we may delve into the market again.

  • 116 Jail for Ashley // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:25 PM

    Always with the drama, firstly you claimed that the team plane was as likely to crash as Jaanmat being sent off with Taylor being injured and now you’re going on about finishing ahead of Chelsea, just like the posters who say it’s pointless spending 50M in January when the seasons over when all that is being asked for is a CB.

  • 117 Offkey // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:25 PM

    Ourtoon- we can only live in hope at this point

  • 118 Jail for Ashley // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:26 PM

    Our Toon,
    Swansea will plummet down the divisions quicker than Leeds for their crazy ambition!

  • 119 Offkey // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:27 PM

    Jfa – I love that argument

  • 120 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:28 PM


    They won’t buddy, don’t forget they got 30m plays add ons for Bony.

  • 121 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:29 PM

    Plus add ons

  • 122 Offkey // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:29 PM

    Ourtoon – think there was sarcasm mate

  • 123 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:30 PM


    Ahahah just clicked on with the sarcasm buddy, it’s an argument which is completely dumbfounded but one hey they could do a Portsmouth or a Blackburn as well as a Leeds.

  • 124 Offkey // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:32 PM

    Jimiley is quite good at that as well…….one of my favourite posters………along with johntuder

  • 125 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:32 PM


    Waiting in the the departure lounge, my pre travelling sickness tablets are starting to take affect….hence being quite slow in picking up the sarcasm ahahaha.

  • 126 Jail for Ashley // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:34 PM

    Our Toon,
    It’s fact that you have to spend ten years establishing your self as mid table dross before thinking about eighth, or you do a Leeds.

  • 127 Toonfan8 // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:34 PM

    I liked Mitrovic cameo vs Swansea, I cannot understand why he got booking, two Swansea players throw him, he only stand infront of them and was fauled. Its time to play him instead of Cisse, who offers nothing apart his goals…Thauvin,Abdennour in and try Willems too.

  • 128 Jib // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:37 PM

    I’m usually a strong advocate of the “a point is a point philosophy” but with such an unusual start to the season and the widow still open for over 2 weeks , I’m thinking let’s throw caution to the wind.
    Instead of pissfarting about at Old Trafford trying to get a point where everyone expects a drubbing lets go shyt or bust.

  • 129 Tsunki // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:38 PM

    Jayphoto – not trying to out -jeff you but won’t it be Toe-Vah(n) with the (n) being nasal and almost silent? Even better for the squirm worthy commentator attempts ha ha.

  • 130 Tsunki // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:38 PM

    Ooh that was eerily timed.

  • 131 Tsunki // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:39 PM

    The widow is still open according to jeff. Don’t know who this widow is…

  • 132 beefman13 // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:41 PM

    To be honest I don’t think our result would have been any difference even if Janmatt had not been sent off, it just gave SM an extra excuse.

  • 133 Tsunki // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:41 PM

    Jeff I doubt that will happen. SM is still trying to cobble a defensive performance together first of all. And the all out mentality sounds heroic but could be a demoralising 6-0 for the young uns to remember for a long time.

  • 134 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:41 PM

    think with the TV money what it is, and with what it’s going to be, and with parachute payments etc it’ll be unlikely we see a side do a Portsmouth again! Noticed that most of the sides coming up and being financially sensible, last season Burnley invested most of it into infrastructure and development, Norwich and Bournemouth seem to be doing similar.
    QPR could have been in danger of doing a pompey but doubt the Mittal family would allow it to happen. Its a club that’s ran terribly but at the heart of it the owners and chairman seem to care.
    Think we’re more likely to see league one and two clubs goes bust trying to reach the cash promiseland. Personally I’d happily see Wigan drop 5 leagues… Hate it when small clubs have attendances of 5 men and their dog for premier league games, its why I’d rather not see Boro back!
    Hate Leeds, but teams like Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Notthingham Forest would all add something to the premier league! Great away days, proper football grounds etc

  • 135 Transfer Sage // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:41 PM


    I think you should enter every game trying to win. Obviously you can’t win them all but even if the plan is to just hang in there and score from a counter you need some plan to try and stop the opposition totally dictating the game.

  • 136 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:43 PM


    Almost a decade of neglect, poor management, piss poor decision making at all levels….who needs to do a Leeds when you can just do a Toon. We are only in the premiership because of sports direct otherwise Ashley would have done a Gordon Geko to us a long time ago….asset strip and sell

  • 137 Transfer Sage // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:45 PM


    Exactly. The money is so great now and the perm league looks after relegated clubs so most teams will be fine.

    Also I never get the “do a leeds” situation. Both them and Pompey over spent, leeds got a couple years of champions league and Pompey top 6 and an a FA cup win.

    They then fell 2/3 divisions. Neither have gone bust and both still play league football.

    Plenty of teams in the league do nothing at all except a string of bottom half finishes then spend years in the lower leagues. How is that any better?

  • 138 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:46 PM

    @Tsunki – 🙂

  • 139 jayphoto // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:52 PM

    @Transfer- I think what Ashley as done over last 4 seasons has been worse! If I wasn’t a toon fan I would hate Newcastles involvement in the PL! Same with Aston Villas. No wish to compete, no wish to improve, just 10th-14th every season as a goal. Newcastle and Villa up until this season been the only sides not looking to improve each year.
    Leeds gambled and it didn’t pay off but they did it at a time when the money was a fragment of what it is now.
    Any team in the Premier league realistically could spend a 100m in a transfer window and it would bankrupt them. It might stretch them and it’d be a bad decision but they’d know over the course of the 4 years parachute payments if they got relegated (and with 100m on players chances are they might stay up) that they could repay the money over a few years. 5 years ago that kind of spending would wipe a club out but now it’d just see them uncomfortable

  • 140 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:55 PM

    “We must get Mitrovic” was all we heard on the blog for ages. Now there’s not the clamour for him to start that I’d expected. Most of the comments concern his hot headedness and how it could be a liability.

    I keep hearing that foreigners often take a full season to adapt. Can we afford to give players a full season of poor form? Football is all about the here and now. If Cabella leaves now, he will have been an awful signing. Surely we can’t continue to run our club like this?

  • 141 Offkey // Aug 17, 2015 at 1:59 PM

    Blackley – I am pretty sure most want him to start but a few have questions over temperament. …..still, I think they want him to start though otherwise I may have chipped in

  • 142 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 2:08 PM


    I want mitrovic to start, think you’ll find 98 percent of fans want him to start, McClaren for some odd reason wanting Cisse

  • 143 Our Toon // Aug 17, 2015 at 2:09 PM

    Maybe we are putting Cisse in the shop window for all to see, he’s recovered from knee problems, scored in 1st game….available at a good price!!

  • 144 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 17, 2015 at 2:22 PM

    Is Mitrovic overweight or is this his fighting weight?

  • 145 Offkey // Aug 17, 2015 at 2:25 PM

    He looks a tad large to me, but a cf carrying a few pounds can still be a handful imo especially if he is not a player that relies on speed…..which I think he is not, albeit, I have only seen clips and what people say

  • 146 jimmysmith // Aug 17, 2015 at 10:09 PM

    I guess Thauvin is Obertans replacement and seen as the solution to the problem of the left wing, considering McClaren seems to think Aarons isn’t ready. The club appears to be quite ruthless when it gets the opportunity to move in the transfer market. Gouffran, Cabella, Willo and others look finished, and if I was Obertan and Saylor I wouldn’t be feeling too secure either, despite figuring.

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