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Newcastle Could Use Williamson To Complete Deal In January

3:52 pm, Sunday, September 13th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 144 Comments

There is news today that Newcastle are interested in signing former Manchester United center-back Michael Keane, a player we were interested in last summer before he went on loan to Burnley and finally signed for them full time last January.

Newcastle have hinted that they want to do some deal in January but it’s always difficultly to prise top players from clubs half way through the season, and as well as Michael, Newcastle would also like to bring in another striker in January – maybe Charlie Austin (finally) from QPR.

mike williamson head home from thauvin northamtpon

Mike Williamson scoring against Northampton Town in League Cup

In the case of Keane, the chances of Newcastle getting him could depend on where Burnley are placed at that time in the Championship, but Newcastle can offer a part exchange deal with Mike Williamson, and therefore Mike could be a ready-made replacement for Keane.

In fact when we signed Williamson’s from Portsmouth in January of 2010, he came straight into the side and played very well through the end of that promotion season, and he filled in well for Steven Taylor, who was injured and out for that season just before Mike was brought in for £1M.

Mike’s contract runs our next summer,  and so it could be a god move for Mike in January, and Steven Taylor’s contract also runs out,  although maybe Steve McClaren would be less willing for the local lad to leave Newcastle at that time.

Burnley are currently in 5th place in the Championship, after their 3-1 home win against Sheffield Wednesday, and they have 11 points from six games, just one point behind Cardiff in second place.

Chris Hughton’s Brighton & Hove Albion won again – this week 1-0 at home to Hull City, who were in second place before yesterday’s game.

The win leaves Brighton 4 points clear at the top of the Championship after 6 games played – and Chris is doing very well.

But back to Keane – it would be a good deal if Newcastle can do a part-exchange for him using cash plus Mike Williamson, who will be leaving the club next summer when his contract runs out.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Championship · Mike Williamson · Recruitment · Transfer News and Rumours · Transfer Target

144 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Tsunki // Sep 13, 2015 at 3:57 PM

    Ashley Out!

  • 2 Tsunki // Sep 13, 2015 at 3:59 PM

    Please Please Please Please let it be true

    Btw Ed, I don’t believe you when you use the phrase ” Charlie Austin ( finally)” 🙂

  • 3 SUTTY1978 // Sep 13, 2015 at 3:59 PM

    Since when did Michael Keane become a “top player” that would require “prising away” from a championship club?
    Burnley is not part of continental Europe so Carr wont have been to see him, nor has he ever been spotted watching Charlie Austin. If we were seriously after either of these players then wouldn’t our esteemed Director of Scouting at least have gone to watch them live once or twice

  • 4 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:06 PM

    think its just paper drivell my sell….unless satka good and williamson away then why bring him in

  • 5 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:08 PM

    when theres other positions need lookin at more desperately

  • 6 Bobbybee // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:08 PM

    We maybe should think about using him to cancel out Carroll’s huge height advantage tomorrow. He’s never scored with Willo marking him and was subbed early for liverpool he had in under so much control. Great believer in horses for courses myself. If we allow Collo and Mbemba to mark him, we could be made to pay for it. Just my opinion and I know some won’t agree, but if he plays, what would you do?

  • 7 sing in the corner // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:09 PM

    Think yourselves lucky. We could have had Kaboul. Now there’s a partnership…Colo and Kaboul!

  • 8 sing in the corner // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:14 PM


    Worry not about Caroll. He’s been out for yonks and even when he does come back takes an age to get up to some kind of match fitness these days.
    Its a mental thing for us. There’s not many in the world can handle him in the air with the right ball in to him, never mind us. So we concentrate on how we can get at them..

  • 9 Bobbybee // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:15 PM

    Sing, believe it or not, kaboul was their best player today. That said, the competition was very limited! 😉

  • 10 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:16 PM

    If carrol plays need to work harder to cut out the crosses….cant see him startin tbh

  • 11 OneAlanShearer // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:19 PM

    I would definitely focus on how we create chances and press West ham. I think they will expect us to park the bus…I would do the polar opposite and chuck everything at them.

  • 12 Bobbybee // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:20 PM

    Sing, you can’t ignore him marra. We know ourselves that on his day he can be unplayable – he was for us many times. I don’t expect him to start, but if he does come on we need a plan. No doubt Macca will have one.

  • 13 sing in the corner // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:21 PM

    The Kaboul situation is a laugh though, what his agent said about the idea of him signing for Sunderland a few seasons back. Happy to go there now he’s ponderously slow and past it! And the way they bent over to have Borini back. How he treated them when he wanted a bigger club after his loan to them…it was amazing.. No pride these mackems? No reason to have pride either mind. Cheap shot, I know.

  • 14 croftus5678 // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:24 PM

    keane has promise as one of a very very few decent english cb’s.

    a lot better than williamson/saylor and even lescalles and any other prospect we have but i think if its true he will be bought more for sell on value than anything else as i can see him being an england international some years down the line if he’s playing regular with a prem club and sadly i dont think that will be in his time at newcastle as we will sell him before he hits his prime form.

    good call imo easy money that will double or tripple in value and free cash to improve further our team.

  • 15 Bobbybee // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:24 PM

    Got to be realistic. We haven’t had chance to show our attacking prowess yet, yet alone go for the ‘we’ll score more than you’ tactic just yet. 🙂

  • 16 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:24 PM

    Can u see him changing the side with the exception of cisse for nitro….I dont think he will….b a huge surprise if did and Id welcome it…at least hes tried something

  • 17 Bobbybee // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:29 PM

    Sing, not cheap at all matey! 😉 It’s fair to say that he was their best player because the rest were utter garbage! Spurs were no better either.

  • 18 sing in the corner // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM


    I wonder how much they are paying Defoe. Really surprised he went there, got to hand it to them, that was a bit of a coup for them

  • 19 Bobbybee // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:38 PM

    Sing, he must be on a decent wage – he was over the pond. He had a great chance today, one on one with the keeper, but hit the post. He’s not going to get any better either. Still their best player though – which explains the annual relegation scrap. 🙂

  • 20 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:38 PM

    You’d think Willo was a good defender the trust you show in him …. I can’t wait to see the back of him. How he didn’t go in the summer, Carr knows.

  • 21 Bobbybee // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:40 PM

    Villa one up. Grealish.

  • 22 SUTTY1978 // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:40 PM

    This is the same Keane that was at Burnley ladt year and in no way stood out and only played in about half their games?
    Why do we keep getting linked to players that have contributed to their teams getting relegated? More importantly why would anyone think this was a good thing??

  • 23 Bobbybee // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:45 PM

    I don’t think he’s as bad as he’s made out, but I’m well aware of his limitations, believe me! I just believe in horses for courses and that we would be stupid to ignore the threat of Carroll. If Carroll doesn’t play, I wouldn’t even consider Willo matey, that’s the truth of it. I just don’t see how Collo and Mbemba could handle him, that’s all, nothing more.

  • 24 will die for the toon army // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:54 PM

    we are going to have a problem of Home grown players wen Taylor Willo Elliot leave. Krul next season wont b home grown. Let me hop Carr has that in mind. But in Lee we trust he is very prepared.

  • 25 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:56 PM

    You never know they might of been working on just that situation in training

  • 26 will die for the toon army // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:57 PM

    I think Mcfa wasnt rushing to bring in too many defenders at the started. Added one and kept the rest.

  • 27 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:58 PM

    Will die
    Doesn’t krul qualify as home grown coz hes been here a long time under 21….or something like that?

  • 28 will die for the toon army // Sep 13, 2015 at 4:59 PM

    Am ok with Willo being back up coz that is wat he is. Taylor is the one who kept him in the team with being injured all the time.

  • 29 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:01 PM

    I think taylor will b offered a contract extension. ..just goin by the macca been talkin about him

  • 30 Bobbybee // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:03 PM

    Springy, let’s hope so. Better for us if they don’t play Carroll, but we need to be ready if they do.

  • 31 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:04 PM

    Did u say u went to the under 21 game the nyt….if so how did toney look…if he played?

  • 32 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:07 PM

    The other nyt….damn it

  • 33 will die for the toon army // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:09 PM


    Next season I think Homegrown is beginning from the age of 15. Krul came at 17.

  • 34 firebug666 // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:12 PM

    I always thought a player was classed as a home grown player if he trained with the team for three consecutive years between the age of 15 to 21.

    If this is still true, Krul will still be a home grown player.

  • 35 Bobbybee // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:13 PM

    Springy. He certainly put himself about and got into good positions from which he should’ve scored really. His finishing was off, but he got into those positions which is a good sign. We dominated the game until the red card, but as the saying goes,’ you need to score when on top’. We didn’t. Some nice one touch football to enjoy and Kevin Mbabu at right back looked back to his pre injury best. Motm for me.

  • 36 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:14 PM

    Will die
    If thats the case I didn’t no that tbh….just watchin the Leicester game micah richards for nowt looks like great signing up2 now….him and mbemba would of been a good couple of signings for our defence

  • 37 sing in the corner // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:19 PM

    Now I know its great to have a good lively atmosphere at the footy and all that…but I have got the Leics game on in the background and I’m finding their slow clap / repetitive song lasting forever and as annoying as the vu vu zela (or whatever the hell it was called) at the South Africa World Cup. Are they using those dodgy clap-noise contraptions or something?

  • 38 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:19 PM

    Cheers was wondering how he did…mbabu was talked highly when came maybe he’s ganna b back up to janmaat….altho didn’t we sign him as centre half?
    A knew there was some rule about coz krul has been classed as homegrown the last few seasons by my reckoning

  • 39 welshgeordie9 // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:21 PM

    Nathan Dyer to make it 1-1.

  • 40 welshgeordie9 // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:21 PM

    Maybe not

    2-0 villa

    Ha ha ha

  • 41 SUTTY1978 // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:22 PM

    Bobby, see the U18’s got beat and a man sent off as well, you did say it looked like we were going for a consistent way of playing across all the teams!

  • 42 welshgeordie9 // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:22 PM

    Dyer to make it 1-2.

  • 43 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:26 PM

    Not the consistancy we are lookin for unfortunately sutty…good team spirit tho….sharing out the cards on all levels!!lol

  • 44 Bobbybee // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:26 PM

    Springy, he came into the academy and shone for me. Then he had that long lay off and was never mentioned. He’s back now and might turn out to be serious competition for Janmaat on the last performance. Still a lot to do to catch up, but if he can stay fit, who knows? After the red card he just slipped seamlessly into the CB role, where he’s equally comfortable. I hope Macca watched that game! The whole team was good. Not one long goal kick – everything was played out properly. Thoroughly enjoyed it, despite the loss.

  • 45 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:28 PM

    Thats the sort of slow improvement yiu want to see under a new coach

  • 46 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:30 PM

    Slow might not be the right word steady probably better bobby

  • 47 Bobbybee // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:31 PM

    Sutty. Mmmm. Not quite what I had in mind though, if I’m honest; ) The u21 pen was just a last ditch challenge and the last man rule left the ref no choice.

  • 48 BandB // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:31 PM

    I think we were so awful last season that Ashley’s player portfolio suffered the equivalent of a property crash, and many players became almost valueless.
    I think Sammi was offered a contract extension in the hope he will recover a couple of million pounds worth of value playing for someone else.
    I can imagine that unless we have a very creditable season and the slump abates, some other “deadwood” that isn’t past its sell-by date will also be offered contract extensions in the hope they regain enough value to redeem them for something.
    This is retail policy, not football policy. Something you do when you are left with a lot of redundant stock on your hands.

  • 49 Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:33 PM

    The table is beginning to look slightly worrying. A win tomorrow is very important, the longer we stay rooted to the bottom 3, the more difficult it will be to escape a battle we aren’t prepared for.

    I know McClaren needs time but in this league you don’t get it.

  • 50 will die for the toon army // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:35 PM


    The rule for Homegrown changed. Its not between the age. Its from the age.

  • 51 Bobbybee // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:37 PM

    Alas, I must depart, for to ferry fair maiden in the fiery carriage. (It is red, so…) Duty calling. 🙂

  • 52 welshgeordie9 // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:40 PM

    What a match this is.


  • 53 BandB // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    It is tough early season when a new set-up is finding its feet.
    But everyone is finding their feet at this stage of the season. That is why it is important to hit the ground running, and why the writing off of defeats to the likes of York City as “just a friendly” was short-sighted.
    It showed we were not likely to hit the ground running.
    Much has been made about the Southampton game. Were Southhampton not also finding their feet after significant changes?
    Who thinks they will be an easier proposition when we meet them at St Mary’s?
    Who thinks any of the teams we have played so far will be comparatively weaker when we have to play them again?

  • 54 welshgeordie9 // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    I hope tomorrow is going to be like this.

  • 55 SUTTY1978 // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:42 PM

    BandB, not sure that’s retail policy, it’s not like retailers are still holding onto pairs of flares hoping they’ll come back into fashion! Usually it’s the opposite, a sale that gets redundant stock off the books

    People seem impressed with our spirit this season, take a look at Leicester, now theres spirit to not get beat and to give everything in attack to make sure they get back into the game. Hats off

  • 56 toon kk // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:42 PM

    I hope our squad are watching leister play, what can happen when you actually try to get a goal and use pace.

  • 57 SUTTY1978 // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM

    BandB, should have said that principally I agree with what you were saying though, just got distracted by the footy!

  • 58 SUTTY1978 // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:47 PM

    I see Leicester are not in need of a great deal of time to settle in with their new manager, coaching staff & players, certainly not now, in goes the third!

  • 59 welshgeordie9 // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    Nathan Dyer

    Get in

    Ha ha ha

  • 60 BandB // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:49 PM


    I did specifically say it would be stock with a shelf life that is presently under-valued, rather than past its sell-by date.
    Ashley himself has gambled with holding on to stock that has been wiped out until he can cash in on a slight recovery.

  • 61 SUTTY1978 // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:50 PM

    Welsh, looking at your posts he’s scored a hatrick!

  • 62 SUTTY1978 // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:52 PM

    As i said after i agree with your sentiments, same for Haris as with Sammi, saw an interview in which he said he’s basically been sent on loan to put himself in the shop window.

  • 63 toon kk // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:52 PM

    Leister 3-2 up excellent work ethic, power, pace and determination. With no big names just a team that gives 100%

  • 64 John Tudor // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:57 PM

    monkeys chuff who gives one

  • 65 will die for the toon army // Sep 13, 2015 at 5:58 PM

    Leicester good work deserve to stay in the league.

  • 66 will die for the toon army // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:00 PM


    They didn’t make so many changes aa we did.

  • 67 BandB // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:01 PM


    I’m sure even Captain Fantastic’s contract extension is all to do with trying to screw an extra couple of million out of him at the end of the season rather than let him go for nothing. As a defender, he has a shelf life in other league’s that we might get a “reliable old banger” price or a part-ex for, rather than just scrapping him.

  • 68 SUTTY1978 // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:02 PM

    Will die, what do you mean? They changed manager and bought some new players same as we did! They’re the only changes that effect things on the pitch.

  • 69 SUTTY1978 // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:06 PM

    Captain Fantastic – like it, perhaps he should be called Fabby C, like Liverpools ex captain!
    Not sure you’re right on that one though as we could have just flogged him to Palace, think McClaren actually thinks he’s great which is far more worrying!

  • 70 BandB // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:07 PM

    This helpful table shows that we brought in six players and let 14 go.
    Leicester brought in nine and let 23 go.

  • 71 BandB // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:09 PM


    Isn’t the whole deal with Colo though that he wants to return to Argentina?

  • 72 will die for the toon army // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:12 PM

    Am impressed with Leicester, Crystal Palace and Swansea. I am jealous. very good attacking and hard working sides.

    We are so defensive and cant attack

  • 73 will die for the toon army // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:17 PM


    my bad on that. NUFC is jst sh@t

  • 74 SUTTY1978 // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:18 PM


    Weird isn’t it, you’d have thought we would be happy to have his problems, performances and wages off the books. I thought we would let him go back to Argentina in the summer just gone for a nominal fee. When palace came in offering a reasonable fee for him you would again have thought we would have jumped at it.
    McClarens only player related decisions so far have been to give contracts to players who don’t deserve them.

  • 75 will die for the toon army // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:23 PM

    We have the 6th most expensive squad and we have nothing to show for it. Team full of Internationals. Yes we played against good teams.
    1. Southampton – We shld have won
    2. Swansea – Loss we cant win against them
    3. Manure – We really did our best and deserved the point.
    4. Arsenal – We did well with 10 men nothing to show for it.

    May b we are not that bad jst a tuff start.

  • 76 will die for the toon army // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:26 PM


    Mcca was right no defender was better than Colo that we were linked with. Name one and one u think we wld have signed not ur own fantasy.

  • 77 magscar // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:26 PM


    That is what I also understood but when he signed new deal someone posted that his family were back in UK. If that is correct then he may not be prioritising a return just yet. Big pay day in PL is presumably quite a persuader if he has reunited his family. Think McClaren also may be considering his impact in dressing room which is reported to be respected which I am surprised at as it isn’t evident on pitch usually . Coaching position for him also perhaps a consideration as that must also pay more here than in Argentina?

    On the retail business points there is some power in your argument. I have no problem with football clubs being run as a business as long as it also benefits the football side. Ashley need only look at Swansea and Southampton models to see how important the quick and effective recycling of transfer cash is to both the business and the football. I hope he has been doing!

  • 78 John Tudor // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:29 PM

    wait till after the tenth game

  • 79 will die for the toon army // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:30 PM


    I think Swansea and Southampton havent put in that much money jst have good managers.

  • 80 magscar // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:43 PM

    Will die

    They have been recycling the monies they received from their big sales in last few windows not just on transfer fees but signing on fee, wages etc. Southampton in particular have received a fortune in last 2 seasons by clubs willing to pay over the odds (mostly Liverpool) and have apparently used it judiciously . Don’t suppose it has all been spent yet either but compare their spending to Spurs and Liverpool who also received ( and largely wasted) vast sums in recent years – I know which model I prefer.

  • 81 toon kk // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:44 PM

    To sum us up really, we have some expensive players including international players who play for there countries. But the downside is they don’t give 100%. People keep saying give them time, they’re professionals who are well payed.
    I’ve just watched Leicester and I have to say I feel jealous of their hard work every player put in maybe we could learn something.

  • 82 welshgeordie9 // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:46 PM

    I think we have got two victor meldrews on this blog


  • 83 BandB // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:47 PM


    Talking to someone who sees things from different perspectives is nowhere near as frustrating as talking to someone who sees something you don’t see at all.
    So I find myself understanding what you are describing far more than perhaps I once did. I am not saying I know anything here to be the case.
    People are saying the new extension for Colo is inexplicable. But there IS an explanation, which, in the absence of it being shared with us, makes speculation fair game. And yours likely figures in their somewhere.

    Sutty….Clearly someone is party to information that makes it make sense from their perspective.

    WDFTTA…I don’t think we are.

  • 84 SUTTY1978 // Sep 13, 2015 at 6:53 PM

    Will die, i would prefer any of the defenders we were linked with over Colo, I prefer Willo over Colo. are you trying to tell me that £10m will not buy you a defender better than Colo? If so you are nuts!
    Wait until Colo is injured and Willo & Mbemba play together, they will be brilliant.

  • 85 magscar // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:00 PM


    The lack of effective communication since Chris Mort upped sticks is in my mind one of the major problems in Ashley’s tenure. …. And there lies another conundrum for you – what became so attractive to Mort to make him end his brief spell with us or perhaps put differently what was so unattractive about the regime that Lawyering again became an irresistible draw?

    Joking aside it may be that it was always intended he cover just the setting up under Ashley but because communication became a redundant feature we never were kept informed and then as we know conspiracy theories abound. I think Ashley knows who the gunman on the knoll was but for his reason won’t tell us (that will throw those not of a certain age) 🙂

  • 86 will die for the toon army // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:01 PM


    Watever Colo did to you Guys?

  • 87 Ron Knee // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:05 PM

    It was Lee Harvey Charnley.

  • 88 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:06 PM

    Robert Huth ! Miles better defender than Colo , couple of years younger and is a hell of a leader !! 3 million !!

    Money would have been better spent on him !

  • 89 SUTTY1978 // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:06 PM

    Will die, he’s been a defensive disaster for two seasons! Our whole team is handicapped by his lack of pace meaning we have to defend deep.
    He’s the least vocal captain i have ever seen and if he is supposed to lead by example then the example he sets is one of usually giving up and turning your back on the ball when you should be throwing yourself in front of it. No idea how anyone can respect him or think that we cant get anyone better.

  • 90 bettyswallocks // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:08 PM

    I’m hoping for a good attacking performance tomorrow. The coaching staff have had a couple of weeks to mould the lads into some sort of unit. We will know a lot more about where we’re upto after tomorrow against a team we should be beating.

    I lol be enjoying the day anyway, win , lose or draw.

  • 91 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:11 PM

    i dont think you’ll have to tolerate colo much longer age is catching up and his days are numbered

  • 92 will die for the toon army // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:13 PM

    The League is separated as Follows:

    1. Top 4 – Chelsea, Man City, Manure, Arsenal
    2. Top 6 – Liverpool, Spurs
    3. Top 8 – Swansea, Everton, Southampton
    4. Top 10 – Stoke, Crystal Palace
    5. Below Top 10 – NUFC, Westham, Leicester, WBA, Sunderland, Watford, Aston Villa, Norwich, Bournemouth.

    Now I think u see where we lie those are the teams we will get points from. I think right now we havent yet played our league so if we dont get points from those games then we r in danger.

  • 93 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:14 PM

    hope he has a go the morra and plays 2 up front…not expecting it tbh,,,,,but hoping

  • 94 SUTTY1978 // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:14 PM

    Also to those saying give it 10 games, what if we are on 3 or 4 points after 9 games or still on 2 points after 6?
    Don’t like the way McClaren is writing off 1/4 of the season. We’ll need to be bloody brilliant in the middle set of games to not be in a relegation fight going into the last 10 games.
    Other teams with the same upheaval as us are not having the same issues, I wouldn’t mind if i could see us building towards something but we were better in the last game of last season than we have been in any game this year.
    The only one positive thing anyone has been able to point out is that Anita is dropping in to take the ball off the CB’s, that’s it, bloody hell what a revolution, everything else looks the same.

  • 95 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:18 PM

    will die
    im not to panicked over the start we have made…weve actually got more points then did last season out of the same games..and possibly conceded less goals as well(unsure of this tbh)..just hoping for an attacking game 2 morra

  • 96 terencelim // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:19 PM

    In short, Ashley out.

  • 97 will die for the toon army // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:20 PM

    I cant believe we started winning last season after 8 games went unbeaten in 7. it was amazing. But came very late

  • 98 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:21 PM

    leicester’s attitude today and work rate was a class above….great example to sides like ours who have had poor seasons last year

  • 99 magscar // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:22 PM


    The Willo/ Mbwia partnership had it’s moments and I can see why you might wish for a similar one with Mbemba. If Colo can recover his drive then he remains a better CB than Willo who despite his honest endeavor is a liability on the ball.

    It seems McClaren is trying to build on possession and Will is very limited when receiving the ball. There have been signs in pre-seasom that the coaches had been working on that with him and with others by showing for the ball deeper and quicker. This is of limited effect as it does slow our play down and make CM drop deeper. However if he has to play then I welcome that solution above his aimless hurried punts down the channel or repeated returns to Krul whose biggest fault is his distribution as well.

    Last season we invariably gifted the opposition possession from Krul’ and Willo’s kicks. I have noticed that coaches are working on this aspect and as Bobbybee mentioned the other night in his summary of U21 game Darlow avoided long kicks forward and instead looked to play out from the back. Willo is an honest professional but he is a liability when he is expected to play a role in confidently moving ball out from the back.

    Having said that I recall someone mentioning a recall would be a good idea if Carroll looks to be playing tomorrow and he has previously done well against him but given how we are trying to build up on our possession game I wouldn’t pick him solely for one game. Carroll can be unplayable and key as with most big strikers is to restrict crosses in, legally impede him and look for second ball. If he gets a clean header though it will usually be on target. Has yet to do well against us, WHU are yet to win at home and we all know what that adds up to!!!

  • 100 John Tudor // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:23 PM

    you know who is the tenth game

  • 101 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:23 PM

    dont think that has much to do with ranieri…they were playing like that at the of last season to be fair

  • 102 Ian Toon // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:25 PM

    I have long seen Liverpool as a club that has form for wasting fees received on player sales. They bought Carroll with the Torres transfer fee and Balotelli , Lambert, Lovern and ( someone else ) with the Suarez fee.

    You don’t really know whether you’ve got the better of the deal until the money is spent. Rodgers is not known as Bodgers for know reason. He’s made countless mistakes simply by trying to appease fans. Price and Worth are two different things. KK had the right idea selling Andy Cole in a January window and identifying Ferdinand as his replacement and signing him in the following summer.

  • 103 magscar // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:28 PM

    Those holding Leicester up as a great example to us have perhaps forgotten that up until January they were certs for relegation and struggled to put 2 wins together.

    Not rubbishing their clear achievements under firstly Pearson then Raneri but simply saying they for whatever reason it took time to put things right – doesn’t automatically follow that we will do same of course but I will be giving McClaren and co the benefit for now.

  • 104 John Tudor // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:34 PM

    you should know margret

  • 105 Ian Toon // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:37 PM

    Points and performance wise , 2015 is everything for them that it isn’t for us. It’s daft for some to draw a comparison based upon us both having new managers.

  • 106 SUTTY1978 // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:40 PM

    Magscar, without Willo in the team and playing a possession based game we have so far managed the lowest amount of possession in the premier league, also the lowest number of passes!
    I’d prefer a CB that can defend rather than one thats good on the ball.
    We’d all love someone who can do both. I’m not overly set on having Willo in there, as Taylor is currently not crocked he could go in there, did well against Man U. At the risk of sounding like Toonbrother i just don’t see us winning with Colo on the pitch unless we get lucky!

  • 107 magscar // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:40 PM


    You are right about Cole sale but what some younger fans may not realise was that KK was forced to confront irate fans on SJP steps to explain sale. Communication at it’s best and very effective in calming fans who heeded his plea to trust him and club. I believe that he had been expecting Ferdinand to arrive as an immediate replacement but QPR held out but unrest had been quelled until summer.

    I remember the day well as I had an argument at work with a Man U fan who returning from lunch told me the news and I wouldn’t accept it until I returned home and saw Sky Sports – no internet then! If it hadn’t been KK involved I don’t know that I could have put so much trust in being sanguine about selling our top scorer with so much more to come to our then biggest rivals.

  • 108 welshgeordie9 // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:45 PM

    I rest my case

    Ha ha ha

    And it’s Margaret.

  • 109 John Tudor // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:50 PM

    shows i dont use google then

  • 110 BandB // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:52 PM

    It’s quiet today.
    Matchday booze-up?

  • 111 Ian Toon // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:55 PM

    I am a younger fan but have a good handle on our history, particularly the K K era. There have been a number of troughs and not too many peaks. I have seen the photo of KK on the steps explaining the delayed spending of the fee received. Communication was something Kevin was all about and Hall talking about his dream of the toon having 11 Geordies. Didn’t we have just Colback recently.
    Jogging on Ferdinand was sold just prior to Shearer being badly injured in a pre season friendly and we couldn’t pull out of the sale. I think this was now the Dalglish era.

  • 112 welshgeordie9 // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:55 PM

    Don’t have to use google, have you used a dictionary before.

  • 113 magscar // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:58 PM


    I trust you are not suggesting that with Willo in team our points haul would have been greater. I think others have pointed out there were other salient factors at play in those first 4 games which made it difficult to change our game. If Willo had been in the team then I seriously doubt we would have picked up a point at Man U. Only my opinion of course but I honestly believe it is too early to make any realistic assessment of McClaren (wasn’t my choice but then again neither were Dagleish Souness Gullit Alladyce Houghton Pardew but I give my support to all until it was evident that the wheels were coming off).

    I prefer a fit Taylor to Willo mostly because he will carry ball out of defence. Willo isn’t anywhere near to being the best “defender” (if that is your measure) at club in my view as he also has problems with pace and out muscling forwards in air and on ground despite his size. Not wishing to sound like a Willo hater as I respect his professionalism and also subscribe to the view that it isn’t his fault if he is still one of the few regular CB choices available to last 4 managers.

  • 114 John Tudor // Sep 13, 2015 at 7:59 PM

    you can spell it any way you like

  • 115 John Tudor // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:00 PM

    have you used your brain

  • 116 John Tudor // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:01 PM

    Margret Elizabeth Rey (May 16, 1906 – December 21, 1996) was a writer and illustrator, known best for the Curious George series of children’s picture books that she and her husband H. A. Rey created from 1939 to 1966

  • 117 John Tudor // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:02 PM

    my cousin ewe ignorant so and so

  • 118 magscar // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:03 PM


    I take it it is some long lost American cousin of our respected CEO ( or whatever he is) you are referring to as our Lee would have been nowt but a bairn or even a twinkle way back then 🙂

  • 119 Jail for Ashley // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:04 PM

    I’ve been grafting all day on the house !

  • 120 Ian Toon // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:05 PM

    Welsh – Your boys cost me. That’s how to play with 10 men.

  • 121 welshgeordie9 // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:08 PM

    I know you can spell it anyway you like, but in this case you are wrong.

  • 122 welshgeordie9 // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:09 PM

    Ian Toon

    Sorry about that, they were shocking yesturday, a lot of teams are like that after internationals.

  • 123 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:10 PM

    hate international breaks….look forward to the banter before the match and watchin the match itself….but being the last match this weekend has made it worse…its is like pullin teeth!!…wish it was 24 hrs from now!!!lol

  • 124 Ian Toon // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:11 PM

    So it’s just a temporary setback and not the wheels falling off?

  • 125 welshgeordie9 // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:14 PM

    Ian Toon

    That’s right mate just a setback, there’s no way in hell the wheels are falling off. Not with that squad.

  • 126 Ian Toon // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:14 PM

    We were in the mix with Watford. You’ve got to look after our interests as well!

  • 127 welshgeordie9 // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:16 PM

    Ian Toon

    What do you think the score is going to be tomorrow.

  • 128 welshgeordie9 // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:16 PM

    As soon as we get our first win the better.

  • 129 magscar // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:20 PM


    Given John Tudor’s infrequent one liners which are tangential at best and sometimes appear immediately after one of mine ( probably just a timing issue) I am then bemused as to what it is I am being accused of and wasn’t sure what magret or even margaret had to do with me ( a clever corruption of my user name perhaps?)

    Having backtracked toer what has been posted as I have been typing I now presume that he was aiming at you from later posts but am still not sure. Am I right??

    Wouldn’t it be so helpful if posters could trouble themselves to properly address other posters so we all knew who it is aimed at. Not to mention being simply polite and that the barb if that is what it is, hits it’s target.Would otherwise make a post a little redundant in my view but it takes all sorts I suppose.

  • 130 toon22 // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:23 PM

    Dalglish was an utter turd.
    Imho his name should be banned from this forum.

  • 131 Ian Toon // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:23 PM

    Magscar- I think I was guilty of that with you. Next time I will address you personally.

  • 132 welshgeordie9 // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:26 PM


    His comments are a lot of the time directed at me, Avaerage is another one they are very good at it, they know that i know those comments are for me without putting my name down, like i said they are very good.

  • 133 magscar // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:26 PM

    Well as it has been quiet I am off to other things which doesn’t include working on my house this evening thankfully 🙂

  • 134 welshgeordie9 // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:27 PM

    Not that i give a rats arse about it all.

  • 135 Ian Toon // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:31 PM

    Welsh – I am going and I forecast a 1-1 draw with our first 3 points coming from the Watford game.

  • 136 magscar // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:32 PM


    If you were I obviously missed it but trust it wasn’t a put down?


    That’s my point – it wouldn’t be the first time I have puzzled over an apparent retort to one of my posts before eventually deciding it wasn’t aimed at me just coincidence. Shame if I came to the wrong decision and a gloriously pointed barb had entirely missed it’s target.

  • 137 Rotonda heights // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:34 PM

    ian toon @ 102

    ” Rodgers is not known as Bodgers for know reason”

    – – – – – – – – – –

    That seems to be wrong on more than one level!!

  • 138 magscar // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:37 PM


    Perhaps that is why I in a Freudian slip termed him Dagleish (getting more like Sir Bobby for names or more accurately spelling in my old age). His reign was the start of our long slide after KK and we only briefly caught up under SBR before it began again with a vengeance.

  • 139 toon kk // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:46 PM

    We desperately need a win, people getting excited about us only having 30% possession and keeping a clean sheet? not to mention not a shot on target. But it will take time?
    How much time do we need?

  • 140 Ian Toon // Sep 13, 2015 at 8:49 PM

    Rotonda heights- You’re going to have to elaborate because it makes perfect sense to me.

  • 141 magscar // Sep 13, 2015 at 9:01 PM


    On looking back I guess it was 111 you are referring to. You are right about Ferdinand sale but club actually tried to stop it at eleventh hour but Ferdinand who wasn’t happy at being sacrificed by Daglish not unreasonably went ahead and signed.

    To be fair Daglish had previously worked with Shearer and had been forced to begin trimming squad so perhaps cashed in on Ferdinand to enable his rebuild which regrettably turned out to be a demolition of the Entertainers.

    If memory serves the need to trim the squad arose after the club had been floated on Stock Exchange and KK ws not happy about it. The then statement of KK’s about feeling sorry for Gerry Francis after a 7-1 hammering of Spurs as being part of his reasons for resigning has never rung true with me. Rather he wasn’t prepared to trim/ dismantle the squad. It was a great era and the best of my time as a NUFC supporter but I still think KK has to take some responsibility for not manning up and staying at club to see us through the financial restrictions the flotation had brought on club.

  • 142 Novocastrian66 // Sep 13, 2015 at 9:07 PM

    Welshie; the Jacks cost me £120 yesterday. Gutted.

  • 143 Ian Toon // Sep 13, 2015 at 9:23 PM

    magscar- thanks for getting back to me. I watched a number of games at SJP and saw the entertainers. It was always good reading the Chronicle later series of those times. Also we had a number of old John Gibson books which helped on the history side. I think your more easily impressed as a kid but there seems to have been a lot of dross since both in managers and players.

  • 144 SPRINGY // Sep 13, 2015 at 9:46 PM

    ian toon
    agreed…alot of dross in both areas

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