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Steve McClaren Sky Sports Interview After Game – Video

11:23 pm, Monday, September 14th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 166 Comments

dimitir payet after scoring

Dimitri Payet after scoring against Newcastle

Here is Steve McClaren’s interview with Sky Sports immediately after the game tonight, a game in which Newcastle looked very poor and were well beaten 2-0.

Steve  refused to blame the hold-up in traffic that caused the team coach to arrive at the ground 40 minutes late, with only 50 minutes before the kick-off.

Officials refused to delay the kick-off time by 15 minutes.

Here it is.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Newcastle News · Premier League · Press Conference · Video

166 responses so far ↓

  • 1 manxpie // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:27 PM

    manxpie // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:25 PM

    ourtoon ya could’ve said that without bringing arfa into it and it would point out the need for that kind of player that we need my point remains doesn’t it?
    ben arfa wasn’t it he did some amazing things fair play but doing it so inconsistently doesn’t fit this league we only remember the great things he did he did countless shocking and frustrating things a hell of alot more!
    payet for instance tonight has the ability and the workrate for a full match so does mahrez arfa did not full stop

  • 2 andrew84 // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:28 PM

    I know I’m only an armchair fan, but that was one of the most gutless, frustrating and uninspiring performances I’ve seen us play in a long time. And I probably include the Leicester away game there.

    Not only do a lot of our core players need to take a good long hard look at themselves, but our Head Coach needs to seriously consider why he keeps persisting with this 4-2-3-1 formation which has quite simply never worked for us.

  • 3 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:30 PM

    I see Carragher and Neville making exactly the major point I’ve been saying on here for ages. Our recruitment isn’t good enough. Leaving aside the budget, look at how it’s spent. A major worry. Mind you. Get a top striker in scoring goals and every player will look better. Fat chance of that though.

  • 4 Jail for Ashley // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:31 PM

    Jail for Ashley 14-09-15 nearly half eleven

    Shot bru,
    So many fans willing to jump on the negative, did you not hear him properly, he said he’s not going to blame the bus !

  • 5 Our Toon // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:31 PM

    Our Toon

    September 14, 2015


    Mahrez was classed as poor by Pearson, a British manager who wanted workhorses in his team. Same with Arfa, it’s no wonder Mahrez amd Payet who btw is a class act are flourishing under a foreign manager. If both clubs had British managers Mahrez would be benched but Payet would still play as he has a work rate

    Who plays consistently well in this league? We have a squad of players who have been playing consistently shite for 36 months

  • 6 andrew84 // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:33 PM

    I’ll also add: Cisse can do one. If you think you’re better than us, by all means go and prove us wrong. Useless.

  • 7 BandB // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:33 PM

    He’s definitely NOT blaming the bus!
    He’s just….mentioning…it.
    Mentioning it.
    That’s all 😉

  • 8 Belfast // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:33 PM

    Bus w@nkers!

  • 9 jane // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:34 PM

    why do we seem to do better with Obertan in the side even though he gets slated? I see some similarities with Vardy at Leicester. maybe teams need a player like that.

  • 10 Jail for Ashley // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:34 PM

    A striker who could have complimented Cisse should have been brought in rather than one who might (or might not) sell for a profit, we should not be playing with only one guy up front !

  • 11 BandB // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:35 PM

    Carver set the bar for not making excuses for his excuses.

  • 12 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:35 PM

    We’ve had months of cr@p performances like that and worse. Ed will tell you all about Carver. We’ve got four players in and lost a couple in Cabella and Jonas. What do we expect when we were so bad we were nearly relegated?

  • 13 Belfast // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:35 PM

    To be fair to Mikey he didn’t actually say we’d be making good luck. Maybe he meant bad luck.

  • 14 Our Toon // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:36 PM

    Pardew blamed everyone under the sun, carver blamed the tea lady and now mcclaren seems to be insinuating the coach is to blame….next!!

    I’m off all goodnight

  • 15 BandB // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:38 PM

    It’s not for him to say the bus made us lose.
    So he’s definitely not saying it.
    It’s not for me to say he’s full of sh*t.
    So I won’t mention it.

  • 16 andrew84 // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:39 PM

    Blackley & Brownlie

    Fair points well made. I’m just fed up.

  • 17 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:39 PM

    I kept going on about the importance of a strike partnership. Getting two very good players up top who will gel. Cisse is getting worse though. He was embarrassing. A top recruitment team would have got two players in who would not have blown the budget.

  • 18 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM

    You and me both.

  • 19 manxpie // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM

    manxpie // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:40 PM

    ourtoon well there ya go talent and workrate works in the prem simple as that really and that doesn’t just mean tracking back i mean constantly trying to attack or make something happen or harry the opp thats wat top players do arfa thinks different

  • 20 BandB // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM

    As you say Blackley, we should have signed more players.
    Maybe we could have got cracking in June, when all those ridiculous flappy birds were getting worried.

  • 21 jane // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM

    I’m still confident Austin will be our top scorer 🙂

  • 22 manxpie // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:43 PM

    bwt ourtoon pearson is a mentalist full blown psycho so thats not an argument lol

  • 23 jane // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:46 PM

    think our tactics should have been to play more on the counter-attack and let West Ham have more of the possession to create space as West Ham get opened up at home when they have to attack more.

  • 24 Jail for Ashley // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:46 PM

    Our captain is a guy who really doesn’t want to be here but understands it will cost 10M to replace him so has milked us for more dough for his retirement. Our star star player, despite his putting himself in the shop window, has now realised he is not good enough for Arsenal, or Soton, basically the team ethic is being built around proving yourself for a better move, Mclaren was spared spared this situation this summer to give him a head start, but he has signed up to a failed policy which has been in place now for about six to eight years !

  • 25 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:46 PM

    Just as well old man Carr wasn’t given any more money to burn. The flappy birds couldn’t see him spend it quick enough. Carragher is spot on. He must be. He’s saying what I’ve been saying for months.

  • 26 AncientC // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:49 PM

    I am not completely blaming McClaren, but he should have the foresight to play something other than a 4-2-3-1 with the recruits that Carr backed up by Charnley are handing him.

    On the flip side, Carr and Charnley should know that McClaren is dead set on his formation, backing him with influential players in the positions he needs them.

    Power struggle 2.0 coming up.

  • 27 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:50 PM

    Neville is scathing about Anita, Colback and Wijnaldum, the forwards and the defence. Rightly so.

  • 28 Bri // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:51 PM

    I wish Mclaren would stop persisting with the two holding midfielders rubbish ie cokback and Anita. One needs to be dropped preferably both and get some attack and goal threat into the midfield.

  • 29 loonie-toon // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:51 PM

    I fink we need to buy quality from the Premiere league who r proven not risk hit or miss hardly any of r new signings r blowing us away and adebyor free agent and as for r left back wat a load of poo he is ant got a cross in him

  • 30 terencelim // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:54 PM

    Position – 20th.

    Thanks to Mike Ashley, for getting the same type of coach.

  • 31 toonbrother // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:55 PM


  • 32 BandB // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:55 PM


    Someone asked me recently if I had noted your apparently critical new stance on various issues, and asked whether you had changed.
    I said, nah, he’s still a preening crackpot trying to stay interesting.

  • 33 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:57 PM

    It’s not all about me … or you.

  • 34 toonbrother // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:58 PM

    I confidently predicted we would win ZERO games whilst colocinni remained in the starting line up


    mbemba, janmaat, haidara,mbiwa, saylor, willo …it doesn’t matter who you play alongside colo in defence the results will remain the same

    JFA pls be a gentleman and honor your end of the bargain

  • 35 manxpie // Sep 14, 2015 at 11:58 PM

    its hardly a rigid 4231 tho is it?
    defending yes but as soon as we have possession especiallyfrom krul its 3 511 mbemba and collo are out on the touchlines and anita is in the cb position and the full backs are up on the half way line!
    thats the biggest change ya can see the problem is anita is that guy! it should be gini imo

  • 36 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:00 AM

    It’s about Larry Lloyd, Frank Clark, Kenny Burns, John McGovern … you don’t need to spend tens of millions to build a great team.

  • 37 Ian Toon // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:02 AM

    We were woeful. The new era/ Brave New World, despite the optimism we really haven’t looked like scoring yet again. We were really lightweight in central midfield. We failed to put balls into the box and created no end product- so much for those obsessed with possession stats. Cisse didn’t contribute anything and should have been subbed for Perez once we went 2-0 down. Ayoze’s movement and control was first class.
    There has to be something wrong when Janmaat provides the main offensive threat- I’m told he had our three shots on target. No cause for those of a nervous disposition to panic just yet because weren’t we in the same position this time last season- Macca needs to be more positive and drop Anita and start with Perez.
    Calm down Belfast- it’s far too early for talk of a winter of discontent.

  • 38 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:02 AM

    Having accidently posted on two pages ago instead of this – doh! My point was that not even a total optimist like myself can call that anything other than pants. Macca might not know his best eleven now, but he must have learned that Cisse does a belting imitation of a wall when trapping the ball. Despite it being a poor performance, it did improve with the introduction of De Jong and Perez. Yes, it was crap, but that doesn’t warrant some posts apearing to gloat. Five games in isn’t the time to turn on the coaches and players – something that never does the team any good at all and never has. Macca can see what is required and will address it in January I imagine. It was never a quick fix after all. Stick together, play ourselves into form and strengthen in January. No point panicking yet.

  • 39 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:03 AM

    Charnley has his choice of coach. It’s now down to Makro and Costco to pull the cart out of the clarts because there’s still no sign of a horse.

  • 40 lochinvar // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:03 AM

    Why does no one in the squad or coaches understand the phrase ” incisive pass ”
    Must be the only team who break with four players against a missing defence and then pass sideways allowing the opposition to get men back behind the ball when it should be being picked out of their net.
    Taylor injured – so Colo won’t be dropped
    De Jong needs to take charge in midfield but just worry that he still looks like he recovering from a bad dose of flu – get him on steroids or something.
    Colback needs a rest.
    Anita needs to face attackers not run after them when it’s too late
    Cisse – thanks -and goodbye
    Worst of all a win tonight would have put Chelski into the relegation zone – we couldn’t even get that right

  • 41 manxpie // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:05 AM

    btw i just want to give the ref some respect today for letting hiadaras tackle go without punishment tonight i thought the game was even losing them kind of tackles to stupid rules but fair play

  • 42 andrew84 // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:08 AM


    De Jong can’t even get a start, never mind take control of the midfield. Why Anita and Colback, who weigh about 18 stone between them, are constantly picked as defensive midfielders just beats me.

  • 43 manxpie // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:09 AM

    lochinvar ya forgetting chelsea is a banker for us 🙂

  • 44 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:09 AM

    You’ve moderated your expectations. And, no one is gloating. Despairing more like, at the team and at many fans’ unrealistic expectations. What did Ed’s poll indicate on that score? The flappy birds were flying high before a ball was kicked, as I recall.

  • 45 Ian Toon // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:10 AM

    Also Sissoko needs a shake up he just ambled around. Our setpieces were terrible and just seemed to create chances for the hammers. We lacked pace and determination, organisation, all over the field- abysmal. De Jong and Perez to start v Watford.

  • 46 toonbrother // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:11 AM

    I stumbled across a post on this blog which contained the following

    “Newcastle have conceded 190 goals in the last three Premier League seasons, and that’s an average of over 63 goals a season, which is just far too many goals conceded.When Steve McClaren came into the job as Newcastle’s head coach in June, ..the biggest [priority] was to tighten Newcastle’s defense, which is why he was so pleased that captain Fabricio Coloccini stayed and signed a one year extension to his contract.”

    Let me get this straight, we conceded 63 goals a season for 3 straight seasons and we are applauding the fact we gave the player who featured most frequently in those dreadful seasons a new contract?

    You see when we fans insist on applying so little logic to what we say and post, we get what we deserve
    Rock bottom of the league
    ZERO wins in 5
    We deserve nothing more
    JFA you owe me £100
    please be a gentleman and honour our agreement

  • 47 goommy // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:14 AM

    If McClaren didn’t stop playing that midget duo on DM we will go oneway down and down. Did he’s another moron who doesn’t know this is PRM and we have Sissoko here?

    Anita & Colback = no heading won. no holding ball. no dribble. no killer pass and always losing their pace. Sad game again and again..

  • 48 toonbrother // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:14 AM

    Exactly where we belong
    The cornerstone of a competitive premier league side is a sound defence
    When you give the captains armband to the worst defender in the league, ROCK BOTTOM of the league is where we end up

  • 49 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:14 AM

    Everyone’s golden boy Perez burst out on a promising counter attack, played the ball sideways, then got it back and ended up heading back with it towards his own goal. You couldn’t make it up. Everyone’s second golden boy Aarons carried it two yards and played it sideways.

  • 50 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:17 AM

    I forgot that we’ve still got your man, Armstrong, who could come back and save the day. As long as your other man, Aarons, is supplying the bullets, we’ll be sorted.

  • 51 Ian Toon // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:20 AM

    Blackley- Perez looked CLASS. Give youth a chance.

  • 52 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:22 AM

    B&b, in what way have I moderated my expectations? I’ve said from day one that this isn’t a quick fix. You don’t go from relegation fodder to CL in one season – as I have reiterated several times. I have absolute belief that we won’t be relegated, that hasn’t changed. My expectations remain the same. This season is about stabalising for the push next season, when we should have a different team completely from the one that finished last season. I am still optimistic for the future marra, that certainly has changed. A cup this season would be amazing, but I’m not holding my breath. Bring in a couple more in January as required, then finish the job next summer. No change there matey. 🙂

  • 53 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:24 AM

    I’m surprised you haven’t mentioned that Anita left the goalscorer when he saw someone running at Colo, who only had one other player covering his arse. We then had three players against one of theirs and then … it was switched to the one Anita left. Game over.

  • 54 jimmysmith // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:26 AM

    It has been a tough start, and we do have templet them again, yes, but three of them at home which are significantly more winnable. We need to beat the teams around us and beneath us at home and pick up points from them away. But clearly it needs to begin now and McClaren has clear problems, among them the Anita Colback pairing, Thauvin and Mitrovic, who it is looking increasingly critical important he be successful, and also likely he’s too raw to handle it as soon as we need. Definite problems, that you get the sense they weren’t really prepared for. Still see this as a top ten group of players, with the greater majority of winnable points still there to be won, but the side clearly isn’t right and that hasn’t altered over five games and that is a clear concern.

  • 55 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:29 AM

    B&b, Arma will be a star mate, despite your sarcasm. For somebody who felt guilty enough to deny gloating, you seem to derive a strange pleasure from us losing. Whatever floats ya boat.

  • 56 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:30 AM

    Perez. Class? The hyperbole that pervades this blog. He’s nothing more than a decent prospect who’s doing okay. If he starts scoring regularly and getting regular assists, he might start to deserve your tributes.

  • 57 jimmysmith // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:38 AM

    I think Perez does look the goods, and you also need to get De Jong in there now to get a good look at him, and Wijnaldum in a deeper role, and Tiote in there breaking up play, if we can get him focused and playing to instruction, would be good also.

  • 58 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:40 AM

    Not at all. Nobody is gloating. They’re just repeating what they’ve long been saying. I include myself in that. No pleasure at all in losing. The club and the fans are delusional about our recruitment and our expectations. Class players. Colo’s our best defender. Top 8 finish. I think it’s starting to sink in now though. Starting.

    I keep hearing what a great coach Makro is. I don’t see it myself but many more qualified people than I are saying it, so you’ve got to give the bloke a chance. Any manager deserves at least two years.

  • 59 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:40 AM

    Ian, the game improved when Perez and De Jong came on and I had been hoping he would’ve started with them. Cisse might make a good impact sub – as he’s proved in the past – but his first touch is so bad he can’t lead the line. How many times did he give it away, by mis-controling the ball, when a better touch would have led to a chance on goal? Myself, I would go for De Jong behind Perez with Gini replacing Colback or Anita. Cisse isn’t the answer with that first touch.

  • 60 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:43 AM

    Arma is already a star at Coventry City.

  • 61 WestOzMag // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:44 AM

    Well done genius. 1 up front again another loss and 50 mill spent. What does this tell ya steve. Nothing is working. Youve never been a good manager.

  • 62 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:46 AM

    evening everyone….what can i say…..disappointed does’nt cover it… poor….me and a few mates watched it in the local and could’nt believe how much has’nt seemed to have changed from last season on this performance….heres my view
    krul…no chance with the goals kickin still suspect
    janmaat…man of the match for me only coz he was the only threat all night
    mbemba…looked off his game compared to the other games this season
    haidara…..tried but lacked quality
    anita…bullied and went missing
    colback…ran around like a yorky terrier but done very little
    sissoko…done very little..never seemed to be able to produce
    gini…worst game so far..meant to be our “spark”….nowt!
    thauvin….looked out of his depth to me he’s better then this showing…. i hope
    cisse…absolutely non existant….may as well of played with ten men….no service tho but still poor
    perez…done more then cisse in 15-20 mins
    de jong..had a shot!…second most productive player after janmaat(tongue in cheek)
    aarons…tried but got double teamed and game over by then

  • 63 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:48 AM

    Neither De Jong nor Perez is a goalscorer. Mitrovic is yet to show any real sign that he can get goals in this league. We may well be turning to Arma in desperation. That is how bad it is thanks to our poor recruitment.

  • 64 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:49 AM

    agree with you on cisse….so poor perez and de jong did more

  • 65 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:50 AM

    in his defence… creativity or service by anyone but still could of done more in my eyes

  • 66 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:50 AM

    You and your mates couldn’t believe the similarities with last season? When it’s virtually the same old faces?

  • 67 dogfish // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:51 AM

    Today was poor.

    I think it’s clear that Anita and colback just can’t play together they both lack a convincing forward pass and at least one must be dropped. Haidarda is definitely not good enough going forwards or backwards and I think we will regret not signing a left back this summer. Janmaat has had a bad start to the season but he was great last year so I’m hopeful he will regain form.

    I’d love to see a change in formation but can’t see it happening, it’s been the same for 3 or 4 years now.

    We should shake up the whole foward line against Watford.

    I’d go for:

    Thauvin, de Jong, arrons

    Agree with people saying cisse is only good for an impact sub. Think Perez would be class with a decent team around him.

  • 68 beefman13 // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:52 AM

    Our players need to step up to the plate, Sissoko Wiji arnt even in and out at the moment, and i dont think Colback n Anita are capable of stepping it up a notch, the amount of times our midfield dynamic duo hold up the play by doing their crab impressions is criminal, we have no bite in midfield and they dont ever attack the space in front of them, got to be the weakest central two in the prem, no fear factor whatsoever, we just are getting overrun, they are far too lightweight and look like a couple of academy players.

    Oh and Mclaren you say you can handle the pressure because you have been England manager, this is a week in week out situation fella, you cant escape, our backs are going up again, nothing is changing, and im not waiting to judge you after 12 games, folk are paying good money now to watch this horseshit, wake up son, its bloody awful.

  • 69 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:54 AM

    was like watchin last season….thought we would of seen something of an improvement….thought the last few games they worked harder but even that was missing 2nyt

  • 70 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:54 AM

    I must have missed the bit Perez and De Jong did. I just recall them going sideways, backwards and falling over. And Aarons. He couldn’t beat his man so didn’t want to try. But he’s got great fancy footwork on YouTube so I don’t get it.

  • 71 usmagpie // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:54 AM

    Ok for all of those that say Ashley out, you need to start a new campaign Cisse Out. What a waste of space he has turned into, the then another new campaign should be lets not play the pardew way. Why is it we go into games so defensive, one forward ( REALLY ) and Steve is wondering why we are not scoring goals. Please for the love of the Toon Steve M lets start with something all these prem clubs have not seen in the last three years. An attacking formation were the middle of the park is not so bunched up and our flair players can get some room to do there skills. Sorry but from now on is we are playing with one up front, I myself will not waste my time watching Newcastle and just wait until next year when were in the championship and start with two up front to get back into the Prem.

  • 72 dogfish // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:59 AM


    De Jong and Perez didn’t do an awful lot. What they didn’t do was the pass the ball to a West Ham player like most of our other players did. I don’t think the selection was as much the problem as the tactics, or lack of.
    Everybody looks short of confidence but I’m still hopefully mclaren will figure it out. Think we need to drop a few players so they know they’ll be dropped and spur on this new thing we’ve got that’s competition for places

  • 73 international // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:59 AM

    A good assessment, the fixture list has been hard on McClarren but our midfield is not clicking. Most of our goals against have come form losing possession in our own half. I lost count of how many “second” balls we lost out to west-ham. This plus our continued poor set piece play makes it hard to find a way out of the root.

  • 74 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:00 AM

    not saying de jong and perez were good just cisse made less of an impression for the time he was on…..but everyone was bad…pick ourselves up..dust ourselves off and hope for better by everyone

  • 75 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:01 AM

    B&B, how many times have you seen Macro coach the team? Like the rest of us, you have absolutely no idea what his input is, yet in your insightful wisdom, you don’t rate him! Unbelievable. All we know for certain is that he was recently given the job of improving the defence. Their overall play has vastly improved compared to previous efforts. That’s the same as saying so and so is a poor player without seeing him play. That is being negative for the sake of it, because the truth is you haven’t a clue about his methods. Those who do know – those who’s job it is to know – rate him as one of, if not the, best young coach in Europe. They base that on first hand experience and a real knowledge of football. What do you base your claim on? Please enlighten us all.

  • 76 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:02 AM

    Don’t mind me. I’m just peed off. I wouldn’t care but I was expecting nothing.

    It is just that it has surprised me for some time how optimistic bloggers have been – when we’ve only added four decent players and lost two. Its not as if other teams haven’t paid big money, and in many cases bought wisely.

  • 77 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:03 AM

    I’ve not seen him coach the team. I’ve seen team’s he’s coached.

  • 78 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:06 AM

    nee bother mate im the same… was’nt the result tbh…didnt expect much like ya self… but that performance really pissed me off….so disappointing

  • 79 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:08 AM

    Usmagpie. You have just described perfectly a fair weather fan. 😉 Nowt wrong with that – all clubs have them. We have a few who are in constant denial of the fact, but respect to you for laying it on the line.

  • 80 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:09 AM

    How is it unbelievable for me to say I don’t rate Makro? You say becsuse I’ve not seen him coach the team. I say I’ve seen teams he’s coached. It’s perfectly teasonable to go off that, isn’t it? It’s also reasonable for me to say that people who know him better than I do rate him as a coach and that it’s only fair to give him plenty of time. What’s your problem with that?

  • 81 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:12 AM

    Well, what do you take away from that..

    That was really really poor. This formation needs scrapped quickly.

    Highlight of the game, Cisse’s overhead kick attempt!

    He is no Benteke is he? Paaahahaha!

    Please bring in some players with experience in this league!!!!!!

  • 82 jimmysmith // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:13 AM

    We’ll see an improvement against Watford at home. The players will have the incentive to do well, the right opposition, and the crowd behind them, but this tendency to not get up for less glamorous away fixtures has dogged us for years, and you can’t hope to finish eighth unless that is addressed. No chance.

  • 83 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:14 AM

    had to laugh at cisse’s overhead looked like he kicked himself in the mouth tbh!!!lol

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  • 85 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:15 AM

    You say,  “Their overall play has vastly improved compared to previous efforts.” Please enlighten us. Any half decent manager can sacrifice progress at one end to improve at the other. I’m sorry but I’m not seeing any progress so far. And I don’t blame Makro or Costco because, like Carver, they’ve been dealt a bad hand.

  • 86 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:19 AM

    B&b. He’s not the only coach, you do understand how it works don’t you? So, without seeing him at work, what do you base your claim on that he’s not a good coach? If you insist on going against the judgement of so many people who actually know these things – coaches, players, pundits who’ve seen him at work – you must have something insightful to base that judgement on?

  • 87 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:21 AM

    the team comes across like a bunch of big time charlies…..try hard against better sides thru fear of an absolute hiding…and think they just have to show up against the lesser sides to win……i think mr black has his work cut out changing that attitude…and thats a big part of the problem imo

  • 88 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:26 AM

    I said early doors Thauvin wasn’t up for it. You will never win anything with players like that. And I’ve been impressed with him previously for the most part. Makro should’ve hooked him on 30 and made a statement. Just because Makro is said to be a great coach doesn’t mean he’s got it to be a good manager. But what do I know, Bobby? I just watch his teams not his training sessions.

  • 89 Toon Tang // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:27 AM

    I said before the season started, put some money on Toon and scumderland finishing in the bottom 3. If last season was anything to go by, a couple of token signings and a new manager of Mcclarens wonky calibre was never going to dig us out the massive hole that Carvs and Co had already dug.

    We need to get that first win under our belts and as soon as poss. The longer we leave it, the harder it will be to claw back, as we all know what being bottom at Crimbo means (more often than not)..

  • 90 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:27 AM

    B&b, so the defence isn’t an improvement on last season? Really? It’s five games in and a long way to go, with a team that just escaped relegation last season. So it’s taking the time we expected it too? What’s new? And it’s not about blame. I am just really curious as to why you don’t rate Cathro – when so many smart people do? Please, you enlighten us, what do you base that on? It’s not a difficult question ffs.

  • 91 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:28 AM



    I think if I was McClaren i’d be starting to become a bit worried, we didn’t turn up tonight at all. It’s almost set in stone we fold away from home before a ball has even been kicked.

    Thauvin and Wijnaldum were woeful, they never looked like they could drag us back in the game. Wijnaldum cannot have any complaints about being took off, I was surprised he looked surprised at being brought off!

    Start Perez and Arrons, stir up some competition what do we have to lose?

    Wow, we were so poor tonight. I don’t think we could get anymore poor.

    Change up needed quickly, Cisse isn’t the man to play on his own up there.

  • 92 Mister Tuff // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:30 AM

    I think Anita and Colback are decent honest players but there is not a thread of creativity in their bones. Not their fault – some players have it and some do not. We are really going to struggle without a quality player in midfield who has a range of passes. Wallys’ contention that they should not bring in more players in the summer is looking a bit ragged now -especially as other teams have done it.

  • 93 Toon Tang // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:31 AM

    Thank Jah we’re playing Chelsea in a couple weeks, we will get our first win least.

  • 94 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:35 AM

    B&b, so finally, you base your opinion on not having watched him at work. On nothing, in other words. Belter! That really highlights my earlier point re constructive criticism against being negative for the sake of it.

  • 95 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:35 AM

    Bobbybee @86
    Have you not read what I’ve said? Or is it your way of avoiding the question by going back to your original and re-stating it? Do you rate Makro based on his acclaimed training sessions and what you see of them or on the performances of the teams he manages?

    Is he better than Pardew? I don’t think there can be much in it. Neither he nor Pardew is good enough for an ambitious club. The recruitment from top to bottom at NUFC is pants and the buck stops with Mike. But let’s not write Makro off. Everyone deserves a chance when they’ve been appointed.

  • 96 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:41 AM

    I have watched him at work. What are you talking about? His main job is on a match day and he is judged by the teams hr puts out. You rave about players like Aarons. I say I haven’t seen him do anything. You refer me to a YouTube clip rolling his foot around the ball, dancing about by himself and shooting into the top corner. Sorry fella, but I like to see it on the pitch not the training ground.

  • 97 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:44 AM

    B&b, lmao! When you said makro, I thought you said cathro – so that’s why I was so confused. Makro? Looks too much like cathro for my tired eyes 😉 that’s why i couldn’t understand how you came to any such conclusion about the lad 😉 time i turned in I reckon! 🙂

  • 98 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:48 AM

    should of went to spec-savers!!lol

  • 99 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:50 AM

    Bobbybee @90
    Where did I mention I don’t rate Costco? I’ve been talking about Makro.

    But as you mention it, I don’t know anything about Costco’s talents. Unlike some who have him marked out already for future stardom. You may even have done so yourself. All I’ve ever said about him is that I have a hunch he’ll go far.

  • 100 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:50 AM

    I’ve only ever ‘raved’ about one player – Armstrong. I have complete faith he will be an England star one day soon. I said that I picked out Aarons, Kemen and possibly Roberts as players who can make the grade. I thought the youtube clip was very entertaining myself and did show very good close control. I also like good ball jugglers as entertainment.

  • 101 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:52 AM

    When I posted @99 I hadn’t seen your post @97.

  • 102 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:56 AM

    When I played I could keep it up on my head for ages and also balance it like a seal. But in a game I couldn’t head a goal to save my life.

  • 103 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:57 AM

    Mourinho couldn’t sort the problems at this club oot!

    The recruitment policy is poor, years of neglect is going to take time to recover from.

    While the policies remain it dosn’t matter who is the head coach, the club will always be making it harder for themselves to succeed.

    Skimping through windows and then bringing 4-5 untested players in at a time is always going to be an uphill battle, especiallly when most don’t see 1-2-3 yrs at the club and we start over.

    Still too early to judge McClaren I think, It’s going to take time.

    But it has to be better than that tonight otherwise we are bang in trouble. Don’t know where the confidence came from with so many in for a win tonight.

  • 104 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 1:59 AM

    Makro? Costco? No wonder I get confused 🙂 On coaches, who’s work is done out of the public eye, we can only rely on what insiders tell us. They tell us Cathro is a brilliant young coach and to be fair, I’d heard talk of him before we signed him. We don’t do managers anymore, so head coach is the proper title. If the lad’s as good as they make him out – having got this far at the tender age of 28 does imply he’s got what it takes – then he’s well worth grooming as a future head coach. He is very highly rated, so why would we not consider him?

  • 105 ilovetoon8788 // Sep 15, 2015 at 2:04 AM

    3 points at Watford is now a must. Anything less and it’s scary.

  • 106 Mister Tuff // Sep 15, 2015 at 2:05 AM

    I think Ian Toon gives advice on spectacles.

  • 107 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 2:06 AM

    Toon p, it’s not confidence, it’s pure, unadulterated bias in my case. 🙂 I thought we could win tonight – that’s why I’ll never win the Super6. I think we’ll win on Saturday as well. We have the players to do it imo, we just need to gel. 🙂

  • 108 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 2:11 AM

    Mr tuff, cheers for that 🙂 I wear glasses now anyway, so that’s no excuse! Makro, Cathro? Too alike for the swift reading on blogs. Simple human error – like us tonight! 😉

  • 109 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 15, 2015 at 2:19 AM


    I’v got us nailed down as two wins in our next two games like, but that performance has come right out the blue. I was hoping for a draw tonight.

    Just didn’t expect that at all.

    I see McClaren tried to get us more warming up time because they had been stuck in traffic, it was rejected. They only got 15 mins warm up! Not many of them got past the warm up stage owa 90 mins!

    Im off to kip, waited two weeks for that sh1te bahh. Onwards and upwards.

  • 110 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 2:22 AM

    B&b @102, they call it freestyling now, but we know it better as just juggling the ball, or keepie-uppies. I like a good juggler as well – as per Cirque de Soliel or whatever it’s called – not just with a ball, but with other props. It’s a real artform and highly entertaining imo. I too had a mate who could juggle for fun, but couldn’t dribble to save his life 😉

  • 111 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 2:25 AM

    G’night toon p. Keep the faith eh! It’s what being a fan is all about – misery interspersed with moments of joy! 😉

  • 112 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 2:31 AM

    And on that note, I too will call it a night. Sorry B&B, that was a bizzare moment based entirely on my misunderstanding of strange names 😉 my fault entirely.

  • 113 davis_toons // Sep 15, 2015 at 2:57 AM


    “the two holding midfielders rubbish ie cokback and Anita. One needs to be dropped preferably both and get some attack and goal threat into the midfield.”

    “Why Anita and Colback, who weigh about 18 stone between them, are constantly picked as defensive midfielders just beats me.”

    That’s my questions as well from the start…

    If we want Goals we need to Attack we need creative players and not holding players at times running forward in attacking roles.

  • 114 The overrated Frenchman // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:17 AM

    It looks like Gini has been “Wallied” – that didn’t take long did it?

  • 115 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:41 AM

    You know the worse thing about last nights performance was that Steve had had two weeks to prepare the players and this was what he came up with!

  • 116 Blofal // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:42 AM

    The problems with that team selection were Colback, Anita and Cisse.

    Colback and Anita do NOT transition the play forward out of defence which is arguably their job. Teams have worked out that by marking them we are pushed out wide. That’s why our fullbacks were our only attacking threat and they really don’t threaten any team.

    And Cisse’s poor positioning and lack of penetrating runs means he doesn’t create space for our attacking midfielders to run into and create chances.

  • 117 Blofal // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:47 AM

    Interesting that McClaren implied that he had learnt a lot about some of the players from that game.

    The team I want to see against Watford. I know people hate Obertan but his pace is invaluable.

    Janmaat – Mbemba – Coloccini – Haidara
    Obertan -Sissoko – Wijnaldum – Aarons
    ——————-De Jong

  • 118 Santon03 // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:51 AM

    The worst player is cisse.
    I’m not going to panic, it’s 5 games but Steve please please don’t ever play cisse again, ever. Sell him please.
    cisse is the most annoying player last night, he was useless, lack of effort, drag the team down by keep smiling after so many errors. Idk wtf he was smiling about?
    Many players didn’t play at their best, perhaps losing momentum due to international break and added cisse to that, it was disaster.
    Steve, I know you mean to give him chance to prove his worth with #9 shirt, but sometimes some people are just hopeless, it’s time for him to move on and let someone worthy to wear #9.

  • 119 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:53 AM

    TP…last night’s team had how many new faces?

    That’s really just a poor mans excuse. Like Neville said last night those players we bought (at that price) should be good enough!

    We keep blaming the players and recruitment. As much as I’ll agree we didn’t sign enough players and it should be easy to see we are still a defender and a forward short, we need at least to show up and actually try.

    Macca’s game plan last night was nothing but pathetic.

  • 120 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:55 AM

    Blofal…Cisse was like Bambi on slippery ice 😉

  • 121 Blofal // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:58 AM


    I think McClaren figured that out and is why he gave Mitrovic two starts over Cisse.

    Surely he will start Perez of even De Jong up front against Watford. Infact given both of them are attacking midfielders lets just play a false 9 ffs.

  • 122 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:02 AM

    With WHsm’s highline defense the false #9 should have been introduced last night with Cisse being shown the bench!

    …but that’s just a small part of what’s wrong!

  • 123 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:06 AM

    I should have gone with my instincts last night and worked instead!

    Gets so pissed off by a performance like that. Oh well..

  • 124 magscar // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:08 AM

    Partly agree but don’t think that the full backs attacking threat was caused by cm being marked but was a deliberate tactic.

    Will be surprised if McClaren sticks with both Colback and Anita on Saturday. One of the 2 cm has to have some creativity and both are spoilers and workers only. Wini seems only choice as Sissoko has already been found wanting IMO.

    Perez may not be a No 9 but he has to start instead of Cisse for the reasons you outline. De Jong to start where Gini played. Thauvin has to be persevered with at least at home and for now.

    Not sure how much longer Sissoko can be relied on to produce a performance. Dropping him might give his head a shake. Then who do you put in Obertan !?

    There is plenty for the coaches to mull over before Sat but one thing is abundantly clear changes in personnel and tactics are required. McClaren is possibly wondering how he is left with so few realistic option s in certain positions but I suspect he knew that and has been papering over the cracks tactically to get by but it isn’t enough.

  • 125 magscar // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:21 AM

    With some thoughts off my mind will see if I can get back to sleep!

  • 126 Blofal // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:28 AM


    Sissoko imho is best running at defenders. Space needs to be created for him to do that and I think that has contributed to his poor form.

    Our players movement off the ball is where we fall down. So often I look at our midfield and they are all flat footed waiting for someone else to do something. Players should never be still and never be just walking… yet ours often appear to be for good sections of the game.

    Saying that our players did arrive at the ground late today and had to walk the last mile from the bus. Then they only got a 10 minute warm up. Not an excuse but not ideal.

  • 127 Ron Knee // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:39 AM

    Fortunately I wasn’t able to watch the match. So was it another Swansea type performance?

  • 128 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:49 AM

    Good for you Ron! 😉

    You could call it another Swansea performance, but the real worry here is we are still to see what so many has been raving about when Macca was the head coach at Derby!

  • 129 cyprus // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:51 AM

    So JC confirms what I suspected. Nobody ever told him to play a weaker side in cups, put out the strongest team, not good enough on the night. As a Geordie he knows how important it is to win a cup.

    The myth that somehow we have a choice on winning a cup is busted, as I suspected. Any coach winning one would be a hero, why throw it?

    The truth? We ain’t good enough.

    Priority right now? PL. Nowt else.

  • 130 cyprus // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:53 AM

    Comments on game later… 🙁

  • 131 Ron Knee // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:01 AM

    I think Steve Black will have his hands full at the moment!

  • 132 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:01 AM

    Cyprus…you don’t need to comment on that game later…it was one horror show!

  • 133 SUTTY1978 // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:16 AM

    To people saying that mclaren is still trying to find his brst team, dont you think he should start by maybe trying a couple of different players or msybe a change of formation to start the game?
    Really looking forward to Anita and Colback anchoring the midfield again on Saturday. That will pit the fear of God into Watford…

  • 134 firebug666 // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:25 AM

    Simple truth is, nothing has changed, and nothing will change, while we stick with this 4-2-3-1 formation.

    Colback and Anita are both useless in that DM position, always sideways and backward passes until it gets back to Krul who will then kick the ball out of play.

    We need to find a formation that will suit our players, and allow our flare player the chance to create in attack.

    Last nights game was no different to last seasons games, our performance was just diabolical, what else can be said?

    Maybe our players are already on their holidays, or maybe they have not come back yet, either way they never turned up for last nights game.

  • 135 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:36 AM

    That was truly awful. From kick off to the final whistle we were poor. We dominated possession but with zero intent. Utterly pointless. The entire midfield, Anita, Colback, Sissoko, Gini and Thauvin may as well have not played. Poor the lot of them, Gini might want to be a number 10, but he isn’t based on what we have seen so far. Cisse was stranded once again, but until he learns to retain possession and keep the ball nobody is going to have a chance or the confidence in him to get up and support.

    No ideas from McClaren and no inspiration to motivate the players. Yes it is early days, but West Ham had an equally bad second half of the season last year, changed manager and coaching staff and bought a host of new players. They are still gelling together, but look far better then we do. The McClaren needs time argument holds no water in this fixture, or the fixture against Watford.

    Undercooked it in the summer, as many on here said. Kept hold of some rotten apples that clearly aren’t interested in being here. We started the summer slow, and we have started the season slow.

    Could be a long season, if McClaren doesn’t learn soon and improve the style, set up and tactics.

  • 136 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:44 AM

    West Ham played 4231 last night, but played it with an intent to attack. The formation is fine – no better or worse than others mentioned on here. It is the intent and set up which is wrong. Most formations can be defensive if that is how you go out. Most formations can be negative if that is the mindset drilled into you.

  • 137 firebug666 // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:55 AM


    You keep defending this formation mate (4-2-3-1), but on evidence it has just never worked for us. Other teams use it effectively because they have players that can adapt.

    To a point I can agree with you, it is in the mind set. But then we are using players like Anita and Colback who just look pants in the DM position.

    I know I keep going back to this, but; under the inept one when we played 4-3-3 we scored more goals, and conceded less and managed to achieve the lofty heights of 5th in the league.

    For some reason he changed that winning formation to the dreadful 4-2-3-1 and we have just never looked the same team.

    However for me the biggest problem we have is a lot of young and foreign players on the pitch without much premier league experience.

  • 138 jimmysmith // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:01 AM

    Bilic got Payet signed up within five days, it was that easy. Was he on our radar. Surely Carr was aware of him. The guy is well up to it, and fair up for it. Oddly, not one of our new lads has started remotely as well. Maybe a few years too old at 29. But yeah, West Ham, look the better proposition. Still it remains early doors, I suppose, and our lads relatively young. I think we could do with Tiotes and De Jongs experience and gravitas, a couple more leaders.

  • 139 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:07 AM

    I’m not defending the formation, just pointing out that if we played a 433 and started with the same mindset we would end up in the same boat. Same goes for 442. If you go out to defend then that is what you will do.

    The 4231 should look like a 433 when you are attacking – it does for most teams when they do it and offer increased protection when you aren’t.

    You mention Anita and Colback, agreed. They shouldn’t be playing together in there it should be Gini with one of Tiote, Anita or Colback. But is that the formations fault? Gini, like Sissoko last year, isn’t a number 10, again, not the formations fault we are using him there.

    De Jong has to start from now on, he couldn’t do any worse than the other midfielders. De Jong would suit the 4231, he would also suit a 433 although given the players likely to be used in a 433 it will just end up looking very much like a 4231.

    The formation isn’t the issue for me, the selection in midfield is. I’m happy to give Gini and Thauvin more time, but I’d start Aarons and Perez ahead of Sissoko and Cisse against Watford with De Jong in the hole.

  • 140 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:10 AM

    There have been loads of reports over the past few years that we have scouted Payet and he was on Carr’s radar. We have been linked with a transfer in more than one transfer window but the fee was too much for a player the wrong side of the age bracket.

  • 141 GEORDIE69 // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:10 AM

    I put money on ys to go down after watching preseason. This formation is an absolute joke, it creates next to no chances.. Colback and Anita are not going to win any midfield battle..Cisse will never be able to lead an attack as he can’t play football, he is a poacher and a good one at that. Get back too 4-4-2 There is no evidence to say this is a formation of the past! have only 5 fit defenders in our squad. No shock at all!

  • 142 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:12 AM

    We should have signed a leader in the summer. We are crying out for it. Bite and leadership in the back line and in midfield. We went for neither. and now look devoid of anyone who can lift the spirits of the players on field like Roy Keane and Vieira used to. I’d have taken Joey Barton back on a free. He would give us far more in there and would actually care about putting in a performance.

  • 143 mickalfas // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:19 AM

    I commented a few weeks ago about selling Sissoko ,and was promptly shot down
    I still can’t believe SM wants to build a team around him ,if he’s our best player ,we’re going down!!

  • 144 davis_toons // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:19 AM

    Colback (aka Jonas) from starting 11.

    In come ..Ayoze Perez playing behind Any Striker. (Cisse/ Mitro)

    Convert Sissoko to Colback position.

    As much as i like Colback as a decent player, he is an average player a good cover for Wijnaldum.

  • 145 kakaobi // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:20 AM

    To make matters worse macclaren has successfully managed to get the mackems off the bottom of the league without them playing definitely looked like the wally with the brolly days again

  • 146 Muntim // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:31 AM

    That was a woeful performance which has led me to post this, and I have been an ever present quiet reader of this blog.

    The individual performances were way below par but they are not helped by the ineffective system we employ and call a formation. 4-2-3-1 has seen us degraded as a team last year and its continued use shows lack of preparation and knowledge on the part of the manager and the coaching staff.

    Playing a lone front man works for other teams only because it is supplemented by a certain balance with the players around them. It did work for West Ham yesterday with Sakho upfront. Our wingers and Wini do not complement each other in the way they play. With a holding and/or poaching striker, the man behind him (Wini) needs to make runs in and behind the striker to bring the wingers into play.

    I would certainly here point towards Wini and Sissoko being played in their wrong positions. For the Dutch Wini plays as a right central midfielder and Sissoko as a left central midfielder for France. They are played there because there national coaches have identified there weaknesses of being neither a proper central midfielder or a man behind the striker. For instance Sissoko is not played on the right central midfield spot due to his nack of going on a run and leaving his midfield responsibilities behind, he would not be played as a winger by any other team.

    Which is why I think that the front 6 should look something like this:



    We do not essentially need a right winger as Perez can drift towards that side when making his runs and Janmaat always complements with the wing play. Anita being there is therefore important as he is capable of covering up the full backs (Colback is passed through too quickly).

    This should provide us with enforcement and strength in midfield with late runs from Wini and Sissoko and balanced play up front with Thauvin as an out and out Winger.

  • 147 LGFUAD21 // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:35 AM

    The flaws in our side and system yesterday were glaringly obvious.

    We went to defend first and foremost and essentially castrated ourselves.

    Cisse cannot lead the line with either advanced wide men playing on the counter or another striker supporting him.

    Besides that cisse looked clueless and like he couldn’t give a crap. Was barely paying attention half the time and was useless when he dropped back.

    We’ve watched 4 games now where our striker has been isolated and forced to drop back. If this is the ce why not play de Jong as a false 9?

    He can actually be smart with the ball when he drops back.

    Gini seems to get lost in th number 10 role so he should move back to a deeper role next to anita or Colback. He looked a lot better when he was deeper and could use the ball in a smarter way.

    Thauvin was anonymous and I’m not sure whether that was his lack of physicality or the system selling him and moussa short but he always had 2 men to beat rather than 1.

    Perez brought a touch of class to us when he came on.

    Overall we lacked composure and the addition of de Jong and Perez brough that to us. Our midfield didn’t move enough or create passes for the cb’s and you could see Mbemba and Colback getting frustrated by this.

    Perez- De Jong – Thauvin

    That’s should be our formation in a 4-3-3 (same defence as usually)

    We’ve watched our wingers track back for 3 seasons now and it’s killed our threat on goal and we haven’t even become more solid at the back as a result.

    We need to play our best players technically on the ball to make sure we look after it.

  • 148 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:53 AM

    I cannot see where our next goal is coming from never mind a win is coming from –
    Absolute toothless up front – cannot play Cisse as a loan striker has not got the ball control and strength to hold the ball. Anyway I don’t think it would matter who we had as the loan striker as our midfield are so slow and ponderous to get up and support the striker.
    Shit tappy lappy sideways football last night back to our old ways. Nailed on relegation certainties if we deal that dross out anymore.
    Drop Cisse and Colback
    Got to start with Perez and De Jong

  • 149 toon kk // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:54 AM

    Our problem lies with very little pace and power in our squad, I say it time after time. We actually play better with Gabby in the team and Aarons.
    As soon as we come up against fast powerful teams we turn into headless chickens.

  • 150 stan anderson // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:56 AM

    Most of our team if not all cant pass the ball to their own team members,cant score goals and cant defend as usual.
    What do now.
    Ashley OTT

  • 151 Roger // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:58 AM

    Hello from Germany. Newcastle has a new Carver.
    The new head coach is not able to do it well. Sent him
    back into the championship. The team is terrible.
    No chance againsr Arsenal, no chance against West Ham. Last on the table. But “we” wont to win a cup, we
    end between 4 and 8 in the table. What a bullshit.
    Absolut nothing is better than last season. Look at
    Crystal Palace and look at Alan Pardew. This is not
    my Newcastle United, no youth in the team.
    Shit, shit, shit.
    I´m so angry.
    Roger from Germany

  • 152 stan anderson // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:02 AM

    Must agree Roger from Germany.
    Ashley OOT

  • 153 JamesToon // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:04 AM

    SDJ, Perez, Aarons and Tiote all need to start on saturday.
    Time for mcclaren to go for his derby esc 433
    Cisse, Colback and Anita all need to be dropped.
    Keep the style of play, however it needs tweaking to put opponents under more pressure and create more chances

    I’d go with:
    De Jong-Tiote-Wijnaldum

    We lack ideas in the final third, i think De Jong would make a good partnership with Gini with tiote behind them, as they are both intelligent players.

    What we were lacking yesterday was creativity, cutting edge and pace and physical presence. Tiote, SDJ, Perez, Aarons can bring those imo

  • 154 toon kk // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:24 AM

    I don’t think people can see the problem lies much deeper than the coach, its poor budget signings, mainly weak slow players who have been used to a completely different style of football. If we’d brought 4 quality pacey players in we’d see a different team. But for what ever reason we over look what’s really needed.

  • 155 brklyngeordie // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:31 AM

    Totally disgusted with the performance yesterday and to be honest not upset with Macca or the club it’s the players especially midfield Anita and Colback have absolutely no skill with ball at feet and their dribbling or lack of desire to dribble going forward is pathetic and there willingness to come get ball or make themselves available while the CB have possession is terrible..
    The defense is pretty poor too Haidara is pants and Janmaat i dont know starting to worry me how poor he is at actually defending..
    Last but not least is the Enigma of Sissoko could care less if he makes me eat my words from now till January but I really want this man gone his football IQ is abysmal and his lack of desire to use head any part of body besides feet on ball that is in air is insane this can not go unnoticed surely we all see this? Would honestly take any offer for him please leave
    Early results have given me that sinking feeling really need to win at least 3 of next 5 otherwise could be really tough hole to dig ourselves out of

  • 156 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:32 AM

    toon kk
    I think Carr is a poor judge on looking for players for the Premiership. Yes he finds good players/skilful but they are as you say most are weak – take Cabella – full of tricks but weak as dishwater and sadly Thauvin looks like he fits that bill to.

  • 157 Jib // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:47 AM

    When looking at JamesToon’s team , which most would agree with , the thing that jumps out at me from the page is this.
    After a Summer of the vast majority screaming for new defenders a back 4 of

    Janmaat Mbemba Colo Haidara
    seems to be the consensus .

    Paradoxically the midfield where we seemed to have a plethora of quality players is now at the heart of most arguments and discussions.

    I don’t think pace is an issue or a problem per se it is the decision making of the players .
    There were loads of times one shouted at Sissoko “Go on my son” and he never bothered and other times he ran like a gazelle up blind alleys.
    When to employ pace , that is the problem and as I said last night I don’t know if that can be coached or not.

  • 158 Slank // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:49 AM

    If having two defence minded midfield players (Colback and Anita) to protect the back four then it isn’t working.

    Excluding Swansea and despite the goals against us the back four look far better than last season. Perhaps they don’t need two defensive minded players to protect them.

  • 159 hibbit // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:52 AM

    we dont look like we are trying to win games the system we are playing is not working how many time are we going to play it before Mc clicks he must have known we cannot defend and take the pressure for 70 mins no better then caver at the moment………. the players that were brought in were not the players we needed if you want to play the game this way you have to have a solid defence we dont

  • 160 LGFUAD21 // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:53 AM

    I actually think colback is a tidy player. Probably one of our most comfortable on the ball.

    Sadly he can’t defend and we have better players around him.

    I said all summer that our mid is unbalanced without tiote or a tiote type in there.

  • 161 mindcompressor // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:57 AM

    The best game we have played this season was against Manu. Rest of games we played with Sissoko on wing and I’m starting to be pi33ed off when he is treating like “holy cow” and if he can play – he must play. I’m not sure how many good passes he provided yesterday, 5? The same with Anita/Coleback – this pair doesn’t work together IMHO. Maybe it should be Gini/Sissoko or Tiote there? People are saying that Sissoko is “box-to-box” player, so let him run from box to box, not only along with the line.

    Beside of that – we cannot defend, so let’s attack. That why I love KK ideas. We can’t play lone striker, especially striker like Cisse.

    And I think it is too soon to Florian to start in first line-up. Perez should start, definitely.

  • 162 TikiTakaAcca // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:01 AM

    4-2-3-1 isn’t the problem, it’s the way it’s set up.
    Anita & Colback can’t create anything, Anita being the worst and most annoying of the two.
    Cisse is probably the worst striker in the PL, the amount of times Mbemba made a 40 yard pass drilled into his feet and he couldn’t control was shocking.
    Thauvin is bad. I saw a lot of Marseille and he never done anything, he’s slow and looks like he can’t be bothered.
    Sissoko should have been sold, he’s a player with no position and offers nothing.

    Perez & De Jong have to start.
    Perez is class, period.
    Watch him, he’s always in space and does not lose the ball.
    De Jong oozes class also, just watch him for Ajax in the CL. (City comes to mind).
    Wijnaldum is a level above the team around him, however he’s ineffective when the other 2 CMs, are between our CB’s protecting the grass in the centre circle.

    Problems, problems, problems.
    Although they’re easy to see, I doubt it will be addressed.

  • 163 Roger // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:02 AM

    I think the greatest problem is there is no fire in the team. Players from all over the world, but no team.
    I want to see them fight for United.
    And the headcoach is not the right man for this team.
    What Newcastle need is a type of coach like Magath,
    he goes in the changing room and says go out and make
    them away. This is not a private team, this is a team
    who want´s to play in the best league of the world.
    And at this moment, we are nearer than ever to the
    championship. Look for another coach, send all players
    who are not able to do more for the club then yet away.
    Cisse, Sissoko and all the other loosers, became much
    money and do nothing for it. Is it not Ashley, is it
    the coach and all his damned helpers.
    Both teams from the north are on the ground at this
    moment, is it so poor.

  • 164 Nufc-83 // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:03 AM

    B&B you are an idiot and look to be doing a Toonbrother in trying to criticise players for the sake of it to prove a point. Perez came on and at one point picked the ball up in the middle surrounded by 3 players and beat them all carrying the ball forward. He contsantly picked the ball up and carried it forward trying to create which is something more than ANY of the other players did all game!!! You say he should be scoring or creating to prove he is a top player but any player would struggle in that side i mean look at Costa and hazard, they both look very ordinary in a team that are not playing well and lack confidence Well stick them in a Newcastle side that have been like that for years and you think hazard will be player of the year again – NO!

  • 165 Slank // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:14 AM

    My take on the players and last night:

    Krul – Was fine. Nothing he could do about the goals.
    Janmaat – Very industrious. Our only attacking threat.
    Mbemba – Sound
    Colo – Sound
    Haidara – Sound. Couldn’t get his crosses in.
    Colback – Industrious. 100% effort but no penetration.
    Anita – Same as Colback. Lost Payet for the goal.
    Gini – He’s not a Cabaye. He needs a creative player alongside him.
    Sissoko – Frustrating. Good in patches but posed no attacking threat.
    Thauvin – Was he on the field ? Totally anonymous. Posed no attacking threat.
    Cisse – Totally anonymous. Posed no attacking threat.

    Perez – Why isn’t he first on the team sheet ? He has close ball control, pace, tenacity, score goals and can pass.

    De Jong – Showed some good touches and variation of play.

    Aarons – Was brought on too late to really contribute.

    Overall the defence was sound. West Ham didn’t or were not allowed to run riot. The midfield didn’t protect the defence and didn’t provide service for the attack. The attack was none existent (in part due to the midfield) but also there were no individual moments of skill.

    The substitutes were right but perhaps too late. Thauvin and Cisse should have been replaced with Aarons and Perez at half time.

    The 4-2-3-1 formation isn’t working. For our next home game I would go all out attack for the three points:

    Janmaat – Mbemba – Colo – Haidara
    Gini – De Jong
    Thauvin – Perez – Aarons

  • 166 The overrated Frenchman // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:16 AM

    Let’s face it, it was a shambles wasn’t it? Not one positive note to be found. The players who haven’t been good enough in the past are still not good enough, and the new players had no impact at all. Charnley, Carr, McClaren all culpable in my view. Put me in Ashley’s place and they would all be gone tomorrow.

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