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Disappointing – Two Bad Goals – Players Should Be Worried

8:38 pm, Tuesday, September 15th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 78 Comments

After the game last night in which Newcastle were never really in it. Steve McClaren was interviewed on nufcTV, and the Newcastle head coach was disappointed with the performance and the fact that we were not anywhere near as good as in some of our previous games.

As Steve says it’s often two or three steps forward and two or three steps back, in terms of progress, at the moment.

steve mcclaren at west ham

A stressed looking Steve McClaren on the touchline last night

This is some of what McClaren told nufc TV immediately following the game:

“Very disappointing – a bit of a wake-up call – we cannot come into the game in this Premier League, away from home and not be 100%, and we were not 100%.

“What we’ve been doing for four games in terms of the basics and the platform, and being hard to beat, and organized discipline – we weren’t tonight.”

“We can make an excuse about the travel getting here late –  disappointed they didn’t give us extra time to get ready – and you are 1-0 down after 10 minutes – and it’s a bit of a struggle from then on.”

“We kept plugging away and kept going, but no, as I say, what we’ve been doing for 4 games – and we tried to build on that.”

“It’s kind of two or three steps forward and two or three steps back at the moment.”  “And it’s going to be like that – these players are new to the Premier League, new to the intensity – I think you saw that in some of them tonight.”

“Technically not up to our normal standards, we need now a reaction on Saturday, it has gone, it’s dead, we can make excuses but we don’t want to do that – no excuses Saturday.”

“We have to give a reaction and St. James’ has to be a fortress and a difficult place for Watford to come and play.” 

“Well after that performance, anyone could be a bit worried, but we will have to regroup.” “We have done well for four games, albeit not scored goals and not looked like scoring goals.”

“Tonight, we have kind of done exactly the same – but conceded two bad goals.”

We certainly do need a reaction on Saturday against Watford , and we hope to see the lads go all out from the very first whistle – a win in that game will relieve the pressure on everybody at the club.

We shouldn’t overreact to this poor performance – although it’s tempting to do just that.

Newcastle need a win on Saturday against newly promoted Watford.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.

Tags: Coaching · Interview · Leadership · Newcastle News · nufcTV · Premier League

78 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:39 PM

    I wish there was more clarity with Carrs role but it cant be denied he has recommended some total shite in the last few seasons! We can say maybe he did not get the top of his lists but a lot of them still were bought for decent money while other teams seemed to have got much better options than us !

    We signed Riviere and Cabella but could have had any number of decent player for similar money last season some with premiership experience I mean Swansea got Montero for 3 million last season ! He has serious pace which is why he does well in the premiership

    Cresswell was available for 4 million what a left back he is!! Why were we not anywhere for him ? Sakho for West Ham was also 3.5 million that would have been 3 players built for the premiership cheaper than Thauvin!

  • 2 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM

    Ashley Out!

  • 3 BandB // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:49 PM


    Angels and MFH were before me time.
    Even the lovely Yo-Yo has been gone a long time.
    Were you not also that chap last year who knew a lot about the Rangers situation.
    He and Overtheline seemed very similar…

  • 4 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:50 PM

    Every club has it’s fairly high churn of duds, we’re no exception. If Carr is suggesting poor choices, then it’s not him. it’s the guy hiring him who hasn’t got a clue. He should have sussed him by now. If they’re not duds and the coaching team aren’t using them properly that’s another issue. I think it’s a fairly even combo. They’re all middling to reasonably incompetent and need to shake up.

  • 5 BandB // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:53 PM

    Hasn’t the club explained several times that Carr draws up a list he’s scouted and that Llambias, Kinnear and then Penfold did the wheeler -dealing, before Ashley signed the cheque…or not.
    I’ve heard it said many times around the club that Ashley is a bit more relaxed about transfer fees than he is about breaking his hard-won pay and bonuses structure.

  • 6 Jail for Ashley // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:56 PM

    I thought we weren’t using the bus break down as an excuse, or can we now, have the internal bureau of excuses cleared it. I wonder who’s in that department, or is it all three of them, McLaren hasn’t got a free reign yet in the excuse department.

  • 7 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:57 PM

    What the club needs now is credibility for the supporters. Surely that starts with a good performance and a win against Watford at home. If the team plays poorly again at home it could be very difficult for Steve going forward. As it stands we deserve to be 20th based on most of our performances. Sad and pathetic. Ashley should be ashamed but will probably laugh it off.

  • 8 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:58 PM

    I think Ashley is probably horrified at how much footballers get in wages for essentially doing nothing

  • 9 beefman13 // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:58 PM

    Mr Mac let’s not get carried away with how well we have played so far, even wi players sent off, we were well second best b4 each sending off, We escaped against Southampton.

    Our players still look like they haven’t a clue what they are going to do when they get the ball, it’s all on instinct, one game at a time Mr Mclaren, up to now it’s totally average C

    Bin those two in central midfield, they work gard but no presence at all, we are easy meat, not another team in the Premiership will fear us its as simple as that.

    Watford has to be a must win, play our most attack minded team, go for it, one thing is for sure Watford won’t be quaking in their boots.

  • 10 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:01 PM

    BandB…But now he’s a board member!

    Lee Charnley…There will always be singings that are under the radar of other clubs, you can’t catch every good deal out there. Carr has found his fair share, in my opinion. Of course there have been some duds too, just like at other clubs.

    Someone mentioned Michu over at Swansea recently. Had a great season and was the signing of the season (as far as buying cheap unknowns / overseas players). Thought we had missed out, but now, not so much.

    There has to be an element of swings and roundabouts with scouting. They can’t get them right all the time. It’s when they stop finding them you really need to worry. Some may well argue he’s not finding any at all. I would respectfully disagree.

  • 11 angelswithdirtyfaces // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:02 PM


    Yes I live in Scotland.

    Agree entirely that the entire Toon Board structure is a red herring.

    but I’ll take issue with the contention that:-
    “In a normal company, the board answers to the shareholders”
    In theory, yes but these days the shareholders are secondary to the remuneration committees for CEO, etc., as the technocracy is very much self serving in practice.
    As the man said “The salary of the chief executive of a large corporation is not a market award for achievement. It is frequently in the nature of a warm personal gesture by the individual to himself.”
    That’s enuff organisational politics for one day !!

  • 12 BandB // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:09 PM


    I believe Wijnaldum was a coup for us…a real upping of the ante and its even possible we paid over the odds to get him….we seem certainly to have met an asking price that was an Ashley era club record.
    He scored a goal on his debut its hard to imagine anyone who has played for us for years to bust such a gut to score. He has played with a smile.
    If he is a disaffected, confused, going through the motions young man in a year from now, on the receiving end of snippy comments from the manager, it won’t be Carr’s fault.

  • 13 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:22 PM

    A win against Watford is essential for McLaren now. The bigger the score the better. Get on top of them from the off. This start should show Ashley what happens when you sit on your hands for several windows and don’t clear the dead wood. What on earth is Saylor still doing at the club? Mr. Glass. Cowardly behavior from Ashley from the off. Hide, hire fools, make excuses, then hide some more.

  • 14 Jail for Ashley // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:25 PM

    I’m not sure of Sissokos position either, I don’t think they cared when they managed to get him for £2.2M either.

  • 15 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:26 PM

    Possible excuses from Ashley that he hasn’t used yet:
    1. I was in a coma for several years. I came to in late 2014 and somebody told me my football club was a disgrace. Of course I can accept no personal blame.
    2. I’ve been having a terrible time for several years now. Somebody keeps pooping in my wellies. It’s unacceptable is what it is. I may have to resort to harsh language….

  • 16 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:30 PM

    Your credibility is on the line now Steve. Take some deep breaths and get stuck in.

  • 17 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:33 PM

    Come to work wearing your Thong of Grim Determination Steve. Get the respect back.

  • 18 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:35 PM

    Possibly later in the season Ashley will need to get Johnny C. back to restore us to our normal position of 17th? I’m sure Mike is exploring the possibilities now while staying at the Johnny C. Spa.

  • 19 Munster Mag // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:38 PM

    Lee Charney…good post. It was always unlikely that capella would succeed given his physique. Carr likes stylish ball player but many are not athletic enough.every scout is handicapped by finance but this guy is deciding how we play football and who should be in the squad. In Carr we trust? My arse.

  • 20 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:38 PM

    Predictions for the Watford match? Approach this with extreme seriosity mates. I want to see some realistic scores. None of this 11-11 malarkey. Harrumph…..

  • 21 angelswithdirtyfaces // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:38 PM

    If Wini or any other player – new or established, is seriously disaffected enough to be just going through the motions in 12 months he’ll have picked up some strange virus or TSPD – Toon Players Stress Disorder.

    Certainly won’t be Carr’s direct fault but he’s senior enough to be implicated, assuming there is any collective responsibility at SJP

  • 22 toon kk // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:39 PM

    Lee @1
    I totally agree, our two downfalls have been either not buying when we need to or wasting millions when we do on the wrong players. Why people can’t see we are badly short of power and pace is beyond me.

  • 23 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:44 PM

    NUFC 1 Watford 3

  • 24 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:48 PM

    Ahhhh!!! Gorgonzola mate, is that the best you can do for us??? I mean couldn’t you manage a second goal to us? Possibly the Watford players get bored in the second half like the Hammers did and slip up somewhere?

  • 25 jane // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:50 PM

    “NUFC 1 Watford 3”

    we haven’t conceded 3 in any game, is that a positive?

  • 26 Munster Mag // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:52 PM

    Gorgonzola u wanted us relegated last night so u can piss off

  • 27 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:52 PM

    I have no words how badly we played yesterday.

    Pardew’s dross pails in comparison. It was one of the worst displays I have seen. Toothless, no imagination in creating chances, horrid going “forward”.

    50 million plus wasted. No pace going forward. Thauvin was afraid. Janmaat poor. Headier should be sold, bad forwards pathetic backwards can’t cross, can’t pass. Not a footballer.

    I truly battle to see any positives. Perez was a gasp of air but lasted 15 minutes.

    Do not be fooled relegation battle for sure entire year.

  • 28 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:54 PM


    Maybe mate. Who knows.

  • 29 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:54 PM

    I’m polishing the old crystal globe right now. Hmmm. Looks like a bit of bad weather, rain, followed by sleet. A flash of lightning and I see Watford scoring first!!! Now it’s clouding over again. McLaren has his brolly oot. The tying goal by Sissoko! This is much more exciting than the real games. Late in the second half now and Colo slips leaving Troy Deeney to go in on goal. A tremendous diving stop by Krul!!!! A 1-1 draw. Beautiful.

  • 30 Jib // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:55 PM

    Well said B and B

    I really like the cut of Wijnaldums jib he’s a good guy and a great footballer – stands up to be counted and has a real headpiece on him.
    Eleven of him and we’d have no problems.

    Does anybody else find Geordie 2 really tiresome and a bit silly ?

  • 31 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:58 PM

    It’s funny you should mention that Jib/Jane/Jeff. Actually, no it isn’t. It matches much of your usual drivel.

  • 32 NezzaNUFC // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:59 PM

    I think Watford will win against us on Saturday, they would of no doubt been studying us and the way we have been playing.

    All they need to do is press high and chase the ball when not in possession OR just counter attack us.

  • 33 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:59 PM

    I think we can hold them to 2 at most gorgonzola mate. In fact I’m going to stick with my 1-1 draw prediction. Exciting times these. Soon we could have 3 points!!!

  • 34 Marty-Toon // Sep 15, 2015 at 9:59 PM

    Colback has been horrible from the first day of the season,shouldn`even be on the bench at the moment and yet probably first name on the sheet.
    Obertan although i`m not a real fan actually started well this season and has pace on and off the ball.
    Surely we should have a midfield of Sissoko,Obertan,Aarons/Thauvin and Wijnaldum With De jong sitting behind Ayoze

  • 35 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:00 PM

    We have had an issue with no pace for quite a while.

    And yet the players that have bees scouted mind you. Have not been brought in because they did not fit our evaluation.

    Well how does bottom of league sound as a good evaluation?
    Anyhow, until we start brining in players with a higher wage bill, not sure we can compete with many teams.

    West Ham, Swansea, Southampton, and a few more are MILES away from us never mind the likes of Chelski, Manure, City, Arsenal, Spuds, etc.

  • 36 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:01 PM

    Or they could just play their normal game Nezza mate. We’ll give them the midfield and only press in our own half. Very clever strategy from Steve.

  • 37 NezzaNUFC // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:03 PM


    Aye mate lol

    We seem to do every team a favour but never do ourself a favour.

  • 38 Jib // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:04 PM

    Geordie 2
    I think if Uncle Ed was to use some of his IBM software he would find the biggest post killer on this blog is you .
    Never mind if Canadians didn’t exist.
    We’d have to invent them.

  • 39 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:05 PM



    our CM has been not existing for quite a while. We actually need a new CM.

    Anita is weak cannot pass ball longer than 5 m, easily hustled, not great with ball.

    Coleback +1 plus earns yellows, and very slow.

  • 40 NezzaNUFC // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:05 PM


    We can’t really compare SM style to Pardew considering when was the last time Pardew had Newcastle with more possession than the opposition?

  • 41 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:05 PM

    I like the cut of your Jane, Jib.

  • 42 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:07 PM

    By SM are you referring to Sado Masochists you lot? Steve loves punishing himself and then turning it on us. Just think how popular he’s become with us already!!! Beautiful Steve….

  • 43 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:09 PM


    True however we looked more dangerous under him which is frightening.

    I dunno, a full year on and nothing has changed. We are possibly getting worse. Director of football needs to realise that we need to dish out a few heavy earners to stand a chance to be in the PL.

    It will soon be the case mark my words.

  • 44 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:09 PM

    Does anybody know of any elderly CB’s we could bring in for the emergency of the latest Saylor injury? Possibly Sol Campbell is available?

  • 45 NezzaNUFC // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:10 PM

    If Pardew was still in charge our results would of been different!

    Southampton would of 4-0 even on bad form.

    5-0 to Swansea because he would of played even deeper.

    Manure 2-0

    Arsenal 7-0 because Pardew couldn’t handle 10 men against Arsenal

    We could of been on the verge of relegation before our 10th game lol 😉

  • 46 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:10 PM

    We specialize in keeping CB’s well beyond their sell by date. Saylor the walking leg cast, Colo the aging South American, Willo the Portsmouth panderer. That’s why we are where we are today in the table. Turn it upside down and it looks brilliant!!!

  • 47 angelswithdirtyfaces // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:12 PM


    “Does anybody else find Geordie 2 really tiresome and a bit silly ?”

    Geordie 2 Jib/Jeff 0

    I quite like posters who are a bit silly, it’s the tiresome malicious shite stirrers who have put me off posting regularly – to bring up the recent topic of who has been driving folk off the blog

  • 48 NezzaNUFC // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:14 PM


    I don’t rate either managers but I can see the difference in style between McClaren and Pardew.

    Our defense is really poor but it has improved a little bit under McC sme with our passing and control

    I only wished he would stop using the stupid 4231 system that never works for us

  • 49 NezzaNUFC // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:17 PM


    Mate that post made my day with this comment ” Saylor the walking leg cast, Colo the aging South American, Willo the Portsmouth panderer.”

    Just epic lol

  • 50 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:17 PM

    “I only wished he would stop using the stupid 4231 system that never works for us”

    Of coarse, we don’t have capability to run a 2 man midfield there. It’s Anita and Coleback. It should be 442 for remainder of season otherwise we will be dominated in mid field badly.

  • 51 NezzaNUFC // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:20 PM


    True mate we need to use 2 strikers from now on but I can’t see SM doing this probably because of Winaldum and the number 10 role

  • 52 toon kk // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:20 PM

    Its funny how deluded so many fans are, the biggest majority voted in the poll that we would win. We hadn’t a chance, we were totally out classed and I new we would be. We just can’t handle teams with pace, we are completely out of our comfort zone and turn into headless chickens.

  • 53 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:20 PM

    Jeff – calling out posters for quality of comment. Adorable.

  • 54 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:23 PM


    Yeah exactly that. It’s a problem.

    How to field a side when half the options do not function.

    Sad days ahead. Night lads got an early day tom.

  • 55 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:23 PM

    I find the sudoku of formation permutations utterly mesmerising, I really do. But they are all irrelevant, because plainly we never adopt any one of them.

  • 56 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:24 PM

    Ta for the support for my silliness lads. I won’t deny I get slightly carried away at times but who would believe a club like ours exists in the Prem? Surely under Ashley we’ve become the strangest animal of all? A club with no soul, desperately buying foreign players and hoping they make it big so they can be sold on for big profit. No concern for the supporters. No real plan to win anything (Ashley’s mad interview was a complete farce).

  • 57 toon kk // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:24 PM

    has it ever crossed your mind we’ve got the more or less the same squad now as when pards was here, we had a poor squad then and we still have.

  • 58 Mister Tuff // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:27 PM

    Geordie Two……………………………..IN
    Jib Jibberish (the blog pest)…………..OOT
    Fawning dogs, Jibs’ mates and other

  • 59 jimmysmith // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:30 PM

    The highest order of athleticism and fitness is now a pre requisite in this league for all other than the most gifted. Anita, Cabella, Sammy, Benny, Cisse, De Jong, Thauvin, Colback, we have and have had a few who you wonder might be negatively effecting our competitiveness. Some good players among them, but other than Benny, who was so clearly wanting in many areas, none of them brilliant and question marks about all of them in terms of their physical presence. I would liket Tiote reinvigorated and back in, Sissoko in a more central role, more of Perez and perhaps Arons and Mitrovic can’t come back soon enough. If we can inject a bit more pace and power in there, then perhaps we can afford a place or two for the creativity of a Thauvin or the intelligence De Jong, but ideally you’re looking for quality, athleticism, power and graft and if you’re relying on only one or two of those skills, you’re going to have to be outstanding at them or you’re going to drag the chain.

  • 60 Jail for Ashley // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:34 PM

    What makes somebody worth £13M but not £15M ?

  • 61 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:36 PM

    G2 – exactly, a soulless club. There are some here who desperately claim it has and cling to a romantic ideal that it is still ‘ their’ club in the sense that it is their love and loyalty that Ashley craves, or that he harbours some kind of community affiliation to the Geordie heartland. There are some who think that he may not care, but hubris drives him to show his peers he can make this club win a sporting title. All rubbish.

    The vessel of that PR video is being slowly upturned to reveal there was nothing inside it all along. it’s business as usual, TV money acquired. Storm to be ridden, tickets and shirts to flog, hearts minds and wallets to be harvested.

  • 62 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:36 PM

    Ta Mr. Tuff. We don’t give up on the club but we tell it as we see it. Things are bad and have been since Ashley crept into the Toon He’s a disgrace and incompetent to run a football club. I’m disappointed in Thauvin so far and several others in the squad. I don’t see the type of guts and pride we demand from our players. Where we go from here I’m not sure but the next match has to be a big turnaround in terms of desire and attitude.

  • 63 jane // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:37 PM

    even though Pardew played deep isn’t that a good tactic when you know your team is weaker than the opposition, it’s being realistic. Carver didn’t do that even against the top teams and was punished. at least Pardew pulled a run of results out the bag even against the odds but it remains to be seen whether McClaren is able to do this even with better players. my guess is that McClaren may not be as street wise as Pardew, Pardew was accused of being lucky but he kept digging out results when push came to shove playing to strengths even if they weren’t pretty. the danger is that McClaren will think we are better than we are and keep going toe to toe. hopefully the additions will make enough difference to get us by.

    yes G2 is often very annoying.

  • 64 Thump // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:38 PM

    Is anybody keeping count of how many articles Ed gets out of one press conference?

  • 65 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:39 PM

    How much money do you throw at a player to get him to try hard? Or can it actually be done?

  • 66 magscar // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:39 PM

    Seeing the debate over Carr has lead me to try on few thoughts for size.

    Can anyone tell me of a chief scout at any other PL club who seems to have held a similar role that Carr is blessed with . In addition can anyone name our last 3 chief scouts prior to him ( without googling). I have failed miserably trying to recall any of the last 40 years!

    Before being appointed to the Board ( which many find contrary to the established norm) he already seemed to hold great sway in transfers and didn’t apparently take heed of Pardew’s positional wish list nor was he required to ( happens elsewhere as well I realise). Obviously he has fully taken on board Ashley’s remit which was of a retail nature with football reasons coming poor second. Because he has at times unearthed some diamonds (rough or otherwise) he has been able to avoid most of the grief directed at Pardew and Charnley yet has he not also followed his lord and masters wishes not always to the benefit of our club (look judge I was only doing what I was paid to, not my place to question the efficacy of the overall plan – you know how things are these days right?).

    Like most I felt great being able to wave the likes of a Cabaye signing at other clubs fans trying to put my club down (those living away from Newcastle will know just how tricky defending your club can be).

    Yes I get that every scout can pick a wrong un ( Spurs L’pool and Sland equivalents do it regularly and spectacularly at times) but why do we seem to have had a succession of poor fits recently Mbwia, Cabella, Riviere, Amalfitano, Marveaux Goufran and so on? If it is simply the brief that Carr is expected to work to and he is not to blame therefore, why aren’t we hearing more calls for him to show some integrity and resign?

    I am hoping that January and next window will bring more of an influx of players who are brought in for football reasons as the priority, to re-shape and balance the squad in more than just positions e.g. age, PL experience , fighters ( no not Mitro) etc.

    Now if that is the case is Carr’s famous and years old continually refined list up to the new task or is he redrawing it as I type and as importantly where does McClaren’s wish list after his assessment pre- season and here on in, fit into this. Or is it as before and simply a case of not at all unless the football requirements can be held up against the retail ones and a reasonable fit found.

    The proof of the pudding as far as Ashley’s conversion/evolution to being a football club owner as I touched on earlier today is surely what type of signing we see in the next few windows.

    I reckon most fans will be able to detect whether or not football is now the prime driving force behind the decisions. Small signs perhaps but they ought to be discernible if long term change is afoot.

  • 67 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:44 PM

    Of course it’s evident Ashley still hasn’t a clue about this running a football club thing. But he set up the board, which although it has a dash of dressing, is essentially the same decision making machine as usual. How can it possibly fail?

  • 68 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:49 PM

    If we are in the bottom 3 at Christmas (or even the bottom 6) magscar mate I would expect to see Charlie Austin in and Cisse out, as well as a CB of some note coming to us. If that costs 30M it would be worth it. Next summer many players must go and more money spent.

  • 69 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:49 PM

    See G2 even Jane thinks you are annoying. Including jeff that makes one of them. 🙂

  • 70 GeordieTwo // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:50 PM

    Yes I’m clearly annoying to Jib/Jane/Jeff Tsunki mate. I couldn’t be more pleased.. 😆

  • 71 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:52 PM

    Pointless swapping strikers about when you have a weak midfield. You’ll just be trading demotivated players. The midfield is our downfall, it’s a mash cobbled from mismatched individuals.

  • 72 stan anderson // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:53 PM

    In Carr we trust my Arse also.
    Ashley OOT

  • 73 jimmysmith // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:53 PM

    Yes, Charnley might be running the show day to day, but doubtless fully vetted and indoctrinated by the owner. Carr, Moncur and Charnley are certainly Ashley’s men. McClaren presumably his own at this stage, but as always it remains difficult to pre suppose the owners real intent. I imagine it is eighth and a cup, but that’s hardly revolutionary, and it should be eminently achievable.

  • 74 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 10:54 PM

    The rank Canadianism must be galling. I don’t know how Jeff sleeps at night.

  • 75 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 11:00 PM

    Did Ashleys elevation to the heavens really mean he was taking a step away from the running of the club, or simply that he was withdrawing his arm from up Charnleys cleft in order to operate him from above with strings? Or was it to illustrate that it’s not his fault Charnley and his clique are the clowns running the Circus while the Ringmaster is on holiday?

  • 76 Jail for Ashley // Sep 15, 2015 at 11:02 PM

    Do you think John Carver would have been paying £500 an hour to see a sports phycologist or did ‘The Board’ think it cheaper to send him to one rather than spend on a decent interim manager ?

  • 77 magscar // Sep 15, 2015 at 11:12 PM

    Ah the old “soul of the club has been riven out” cries are rising again.

    If we are to stay with the analogy then the Devil (Ashley in case some are confused) has to buy it. Can’t just take it – ask Robert Johnson 🙂

    As far as I am concerned and I expect most other fans agree mine is not and never has been for sale. Others can claim what they like but the “soul” of the club is made up of the collective of fans far and wide and nothing else.

    To slightly paraphrase a very famous passage for NUFC fans

    “What is a club’s SOUL in any case?”

    “Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it.

    It’s not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes.”

    “It’s the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city.”

    “It’s a small boy clambering up stadium steps for the very first time, gripping his father’s hand, gawping at that hallowed stretch of turf beneath him and, without being able to do a thing about it, falling in love.”

    I still relate fully to those inspiring words and am currently infecting a second generation of my family with the passion and trials of being a NUFC fan by taking my grandson to his 3rd game this season. Giving Ashley my money? No putting it into the club but in any event tell me of a better way to persuade a youngster of the singular joy of being a NUFC fan than forgoing FIFA and SKY and clambering up those steps. I have seen the effect first hand on several members of my family over the years and no one is going to take that away from me. That to me is the soul and also lifeblood of the club.

    Oh and my grandson is also well aware of how fondly fans regard Ashley. He has after all been brought up proper even if born away from Tyneside as were my kids 🙂

  • 78 magscar // Sep 15, 2015 at 11:16 PM


    Don’t even think bottom 3 or 6 is the hurdle for your scenario to happen but likely it would end up our paying over the odds to achieve it 🙂

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