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These Were Newcastle’s Best Three Players At West Ham

3:10 pm, Tuesday, September 15th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 165 Comments

There were not too many good performances from Newcastle players but there were some last night at Upton Park, with the top three players last night being Daryl Janmaat, Ayoze Perez and Chancel Mbemba, who had another steady game at the back for Newcastle.

But the reason we lost the game was a lot of our players seemed to be in a daze and played nowhere near their best form, against a decent Hammers side who deserved the win.

daryl janmaat victor moses west ham 2-0

Daryl Janmaat in action last night tackling Victor Moses

Here are top three players in the vote for last night’s game.

  • Daryl Janmaat (39%) – was out best player and he caught the eye for his attacking play and he was our most dangerous player which says something about out forwards. Daryl did have an excellent chance to score in the first half after just 20 minutes, but his left-foot shot was well blocked by goalkeeper  Darren Randolph.
    A goal then may have made a big difference, but we shouldn’t be looking ar our full-backs to score the goals.
    Daryl still had some problems with West Ham winger Victor Moses, but was still fairly easily our best player last night.
  • Ayoze Perez (26%) – had another very good outing for Newcastle, and it’s not the first time he’s looked a very good player this seas. With some goalscorers – Mitrovic, Wijnaldum and Thauvin having been signed in the summer, we though it may be difficult for Ayoze to get playing time.
    But that shouldn’t be the case, and it may be the impressive Spanish U20 International deserves a starting place at the moment.
    Ayoze is a very good footballer and has that striker’s eye for a goal, and he played well last night.
    Surely he’ll get another start on Saturday against Watford after Papiss Cisse hardly showed at all last night.
  • Chancel Mbemba (15%) had another decent game for Newcastle last night, and the former Anderlecht defender reads the game very well, although he was beaten by Victor Moses for speed for the second goal, and probably should have done better there.
    But Chancel should get better and better and he seems to already have a good relationship with captain Fabricio Coloccini, who we though had another decent game in the heart of Newcastle’s defense last night.
    We need Chancel to keep improving so we can close the back door this season, because it does look like we will be able to score many goals this season, although we hope we are wrong on that one.
    Chancel looks an excellent buy for about £8.5M, and he’s produced the goods early this season.

Siem de Jong just shaded 4th place in the poll and we think the Dutch International may have earned himself a starting place against Watford on Saturday.

Here are the full results of our poll, and you can still vote.

Who Was Newcastle's Best Player At West Ham?

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Comments welcome.



Tags: Ayoze Perez · Chancel Mbemba · Man of the Match · Newcastle News · Siem de Jong




165 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Oldgit1 // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:16 PM

    20Oldgit1 // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:09 PM

    @ jail for Ashley you sir are a true gentleman. But feel bitter towards toonbrother, he is a cad of the highest order and a turd. Sorry tried to keep the stiff upper lip, failed lol. I to was going to take the bet when the original bet was for all season. The little toe rag changed the bet. He is a dishonest man and I for one will now boycott all his blogs. If I see his name I will gloss over. I have nothing but total hatred for this guy. You sir have my utmost respect. My hat off to you .

  • 2 the broons // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:17 PM

    is toonbrother the lad who keeps having a go at coloccini?

  • 3 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:18 PM

    the broons
    yip

  • 4 ToonFan_Bangladesh // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:23 PM

    In my opinion, Janmaat actually doesn’t do enough in defense. He is very good at going forward but most of the times he struggles defensively which is his primary responsibility. And also the team lacks creativity. Most of the midfielders are like box-to-box players. Its sad to say, but we haven’t replaced Cabaye yet.

  • 5 Jail for Ashley // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:23 PM

    Thank you Old Git,
    Aye, he clearly moved the goal posts and it’s pretty obvious from my post that I thought he had said the next five games, in fact when I read it, I went on NUFC.com, checked the fixtures and thought to myself ”of course we’ll beat Watford”. But like I said I misread it and have paid my bit to a worthwhile cause.

  • 6 firebug666 // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM

    Jail

    Total respect mate you have honoured a bet that most people on here believe will not finish till the final whistle of the Watford game.

    Toonbrother changed the dynamics of your bet even as it was being made. The bet was for the season, then changed to the next five games, and then included the Southampton game which had been played with the result in his favour.

    According to Toonbrother then the bet was for only four games as the result of the first game was already in.

    Jail you are a true gentleman.

    Toonbrother

    You need to take a good long look at yourself, and need to regain some self respect, and maybe the respect of others you seem to have lost on here.

    Any self respecting man would match the generosity Jail has shown and also donate £100, not gloat as you have been.

  • 7 Jib // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:29 PM

    Oldgit1

    Mt Tuff exactly how many usernames do you have ?

  • 8 Jail for Ashley // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:32 PM

    Jeff,
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  • 9 Jib // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:33 PM

    Highlights !!??!!?? of the Hammers game plus post match interviews with Wijnaldum and McClaren.

  • 10 the broons // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:33 PM

    SPRINGY

    I know I can be a reet miserable sod sometimes but I do like to see the positives aswell. While I must admit if its the lad am thinking of he comes across as a reet moaner with never any validity to his arguments.

  • 11 Jib // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:34 PM

    Highlights !!??!!?? of the Hammers game plus post match interviews with Wijnaldum and McClaren.Sorry should have said on NUFCtv

  • 12 the broons // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:35 PM

    Jail

    Nice to hear you donating to a cause very dear to my heart. Good on ya mate

  • 13 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:37 PM

    Well toonbotherer didn’t dispute jails Watford statement which implies he accepted that part of the bet so if we beat Watford then we should expect toonbotherer to cough up – doubt it though as I firmly believe him to be a log. Serves you both right for gambling though. It’s a cruel mistress, well except for the charity that is 🙂

  • 14 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:43 PM

    Let’s just recall that the whole purpose of toonbotherers bet was to ” prove” our losses would be squarely laid at Colo’s feet so it doesn’t accomplish it’s aim anyway.

  • 15 cyprus // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:45 PM

    On this:
    *Well, Janm is good going forward (still he should ‘ve scored), but he does leave that side exposed and is kinda slow.
    *Perez should somehow start every game, not sure why he lost his place as he was our best player last year.
    * Mbemba is a top player, it seems.

    The game slipped away, but it wasn’t as bad as I had expected, given the ‘we are going down’ posts. (Maybe we will, but not on that performance)… Come on, we’ve all seen way worse. We dominated the game, were easily dispossessing them, Krul hardly worked (neither did their goalie, I’ll get to that, hold on). WH, on that, are not a good team, they will flirt with relegation.

    Now, yes, the team must address the little matter that so few shots are made on goal; that we still can’t do much from set plays, apart from put OURSELVES in real danger; that more incisive balls aren’t played in; that Cisse is a spent force. But, we probably deserved more last night, with some luck we would’ve gotten something. That goal happens one in a hundred; the counter was fixable stupidity; WH was the away team, we should’ve spanked them. Next time we’ll get them.

    I was more upset folllowing the ManU game we (played like a heroic Conference team) and Swansea (made them look like Barca).

  • 16 NezzaNUFC // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:51 PM

    What do you think guys on this lineup

    Krull
    Chancel, Taylor, Collo
    Janmaat, Hiadara
    Sissoko, Winaldum
    Aarons, Perez, Thuavin

    A 3-2-2-3 ??????

    Janmaat and Hiadara can push up and act as wingers since there defence ain’t the best.

    Collo can push a little further up in attack to link with the midfield.

    Aarons and Thuavin act as wingers/inside forward

    ???????????

    I’m sick of this negative 4231

    Also this 433 that people state gets converted into a 4231 so NO 433 formation!

  • 17 Jail for Ashley // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:53 PM

    Tsunki,
    Technically speaking there were two bets, the first one, toonbotherer asked anyone to bet him we would not win another game with Collocini in the line up this season, I took that bet, so although I also accepted his new terms there’s nothing to say that the old bet was cancelled !

  • 18 BandB // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:54 PM

    Who is prepared to bet that Toonbrother refuses to acknowledge that Jail has paid up on his hooky bet, and carries on as if he’d won a massive victory?

  • 19 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:55 PM

    it’s the same problems I’m afraid. Everyone goes on about the poor defence or strikers but it’s our woefully assembled midfield that’s still the issue. Offers no threat forward, offers no assistance to cover defence. It will continue until the balance is put right. Imo you can’t play sissoko, Colback Anita and Thauvin, or a mix of any three, at the same time. Not just square pegs but multiple shaped ones in round holes.

  • 20 NezzaNUFC // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:55 PM

    Set pieces in my view need to be played short.

    Every time we play short we look dangerous and to keep the opposition guessing we should have one side playing short the other side long with long going near post and far post instead of aiming for tall players

  • 21 the broons // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:56 PM

    Nezza

    Call me old fashioned but I’ve always been a fan of the 4 in the backline formation, I think the 4-3-3 with 1 holding midfielder and 2 wingers/inside forwards would work best.

    Krul
    Janmaat Colo Mbemba Haidaira
    Tiote
    Sissoko Wiji
    Perez Mitrovic Aarons

    But of course that leaves out my beloed De jong, don’t know what is for the best anymore.

  • 22 bettyswallocks // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:57 PM

    Not been back long but having reflected , discussed and analysed ,the over fifties nufc supporters crew with big hangovers all agree that we were absolute shyte.

    The only positive was Perez and that’s it.

    Krul was stopped from playing it out to the full backs so reverted to kicking for touch to fuel the anger and frustration of everyone.

    The two DM s offer nothing going forward, only square or backward passes or slowing the play down.

    All our crosses and final balls were terrible.

    Cisse as a lone striker is a joke. He can’t trap a ball or hold it up.

    What is the point of Sissoko? What is his position ?

    My cautious optimism is rapidly diminishing and I think we’re in for another bottom of the table survival scrap.

    The taunts from the Hammers fans, Andy Caroll , he left cos you’re sh.t made it a horrible , frustrating night.

    No cohesion or quality passing and we never looked like scoring.

  • 23 NezzaNUFC // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:59 PM

    Broons

    That’s good mate but isn’t that a 4123 style or a 41221

    Plus SDJ can play as striker and a midfielder if that helps.

  • 24 Reyantoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:01 PM

    Can’t say much as i haven’t seen the game but still i’m not get worried too much.If we look at our opening fixtures,all of them were not easy games.You cannot judge or predict today’s game based on last performance.Westham were poor at home prior to yesterday’s game but they have plenty good and experienced players capable of dominating and changing things.So clearly the Westham game was not easy one.I think the real test will start next week.
    As for colback – Anita partnership,i think they both played well so far,don’t know what happened yesterday but i would drop Anita if i were to give a chance for Tiote.Others should be given another chance.Those who criticise Mitrovic should now realize how important he is interms of holding the ball and physically battle opponent players.That is what we lacked last night in my opinion.Take it easy,we’ll come good

  • 25 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:02 PM

    Surprised you paid Jail it was a null bet seeing as the terms weren’t laid out. Still, a worthy cause it’s not money wasted.

    I think it would be blog justice to freeze out the bounder and lickspittle that is toonbotherer. He is a duplicitous worm and a smug conniver.

  • 26 NezzaNUFC // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:02 PM

    41221 style I would go for

    Krull
    Janmaat, Chancel, Taylor, Haidara
    Collo
    Anita, Sissoko/Winaldum
    Aarons, Thuavin
    Perez

  • 27 BandB // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:03 PM

    Shiftiest Guy In The Room.
    Shiftiest?
    Damned auto-correct.

  • 28 the truth will out // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:07 PM

    i voted for the fat baldy guy 8 rows back

  • 29 the truth will out // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:13 PM

    and to be frank or whatever i cannot see us winning a game in the not to distant future

  • 30 toon kk // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:14 PM

    Tbh Pards had the most success at Newcastle with Aarons and Obertan in the team, injecting pace into our slow back and sideways passing team.

  • 31 Jib // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:19 PM

    If we need Obertans as a saviour we are well and truly cattled as a football team.

  • 32 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:19 PM

    Well I believe that while some are still drooling over the well thumbed glossy brochure of our Timeshare Team, others are quite correctly beginning to wonder if the video presentation by Mike really was an honest pitch. The usual suspects are behaving like the plants in the room who nudge and whisper ‘ it’s a bargain’ and ‘what a deal it is’ and ‘I’ve got one myself and I’m here to buy another’. But it’s looking suspiciously like it might be the con it was all along – a money spinning ruse. Take in the cash, offer a little sweetener and wait for the idiots to start buying in.

  • 33 croftus5678 // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:22 PM

    no mucking around at watford and no this player deserves a chance ect ect we put out our absolute best and get that win !

    it’s embarasing atm being bottom even though it is only 5 games in ! chelsea should be the ones being ridiculed not us 😉

  • 34 cyprus // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:22 PM

    Toon,
    Please man, don’t mention Obertan. It’s enough that we regularly play with ten players for other reasons. Was hoping against all hope that he would come good, gain confidence, learn to dribble, run with the ball, not get rid of it as if it were a hot potato, be less lazy… No, he and a few others symbolise what is wrong at this club.

  • 35 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:23 PM

    Jail
    Most commendable on your donation to charity, especially as it would appear the Watford game was part of the bet.

    I note quite a few are writing off Toonbrother. He may in all fairness make a donation to the charity of his choice if we win on Saturday. Give the lad a chance to see what he says to that.

  • 36 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:27 PM

    Jeff @31 for once I agree with you

  • 37 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:29 PM

    Randolph made it to in the PL team of the week?

    Must have been one bad weekend for goalkeepers if saving our 3 ‘shots’ on target were enough to do the job.

  • 38 Mister Tuff // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:30 PM

    Jib Jibberish (the blog pest) – I am not a multiple poster – bit of a cheek coming from you.

    I see Jail is to be commended for his gentlemanly conduct today in honouring the bet.
    Conduct in stark contrast to some of the bounders and cads who appear on here -some of whom need a damn good thrashing in the stable yard -Queensbury Rules of course.

  • 39 DaraghL // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:30 PM

    I would love to see a picture of Colocinni also donating £100 to the SBR fund

  • 40 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:33 PM

    Maybe toonbrother is actually Coloccini angling to get a cut price move out of here.

  • 41 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:36 PM

    Dunno about Watford but if we can’t beat Chelsea I think we’re in serious trouble. 🙂

  • 42 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:41 PM

    Ed says, “Unfortunately,  this has given an opportunity for the boo boys and the doom and gloomers to come out. That’s the worst part of it…”

    We’re entitled to moan about the running of our football team and to predict more woe. Carragher is right. Some of us have been complaining for a long time now that the recruitment is poor. Graham Carr is 70 plus, the time of life when you forget who you are. Most other people of that age have been retired for years, decades from the peak of their powers.

    The fact is we moaners haven’t just started today. We’re moaning about something that has been wrong for several years. I made the point weeks ago that the first tranche of transfer budget should be spent on a top recruitment force. That force should scout players to fit in with the manager’s vision of the team he wants to create. So far this season, performances are bearing this out and pundits are identifying the exact same thing.

    As for fans hailing Perez, Arma, Abeid and Aarons as the lost answers, ask yourself what these players have done. Have you wondered why they are where they are? There’s no doubt that they’re good prospects. But we need men for the here and now. Leaders who will score goals, get assists, make tackles that will change the course of games and who will show determination to win trophies for this club.

  • 43 We are the mags // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:49 PM

    i wasnt impressed with last night at all why oh why does mclaren insist on playing cisse as a loan striker, he cannot head the ball doesnt hold it up well cannot dribble or take players on and gets knocked off the ball easy,he needs the ball playing fast on the ground to feet which over a lot of games with him playing this role simply does not work.

    again this 4-2-3-1 is so deep and defensive im sorry but colback and anita what exavtly are they doing its like playing with 6 defenders, if you need to just put 1 man in front of the back 4, mind you it would proberly but colo under massive pressure and people would be calling for his head again,

    Another thing which seems to be a curse of nufc MOVEMENT god how many time do you see the whole team static when we are in possession school boy stuff pass and move,

    a 4-1-3-2 would be better in my opinion as both jammat and haidara both like going forward and you defo need a man between mifield and cisse a man who can hold up the ball and take players on perez would be perfect mclaren is starting to play this super safe defensive football and personally i dont like it but its just my opinion.

    now ive got that off my chest, HWTL

  • 44 the truth will out // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:52 PM

    heardman would be a better option than cisse

  • 45 Oldgit1 // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:52 PM

    @ jib can I ask what you are suggesting. I have been on this blog for a while. There is only one old git 1. Don’t be an arse. Save it for your friends.

  • 46 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:00 PM

    Let the manager, yes the manager, pick his players. For years the Board and the chief scout have identified individual players, presented them to the coach and said “Here, build a team”. When you put your arse before your tit, you go backwards. The trick, of course, is to make sure you get a top manager. Anything less spells trouble.

  • 47 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:05 PM

    Blackley…But the club, which I think we can safely presume means Ashley (advised by others – Penfold / Carr), want a head coach, not a manager.

    What to do…

  • 48 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:09 PM

    Some of us kept making the point that we need to get rid of the deadwood. They bring down the average standard in training and on the pitch. We don’t need them. What is our recruitment team thinking about?

    I see Steven Taylor is injured again. How much have we paid him per game played over the years?

  • 49 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:21 PM

    Ibiza
    I think their thinking is that managers come and go and every time it happens the new man looks to ovethaul the playing staff. It’s a hell of a costly do. I cannot see any logic in the Board and the chief scout having the biggest say on comings and goings. Building a team, blending players, needs careful craft. Round pegs in round holes, square pegs in square holes, round and square pegs in the right formations, a mix of youth experience, a blend of grit and guile, speed and endurance and so on. It’s about the manager’s vision. The chief scout hasn’t got the job of composing the symphonies or conducting the orchestra.

  • 50 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:23 PM

    Evening lads 🙂

    Ibiza…how’s bikini bottom these days?

    Quick question, what is the difference really between a head coach and a manager in the UK. It is whether you have final say on transfers or something entirely?

  • 51 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:24 PM

    *different

  • 52 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:27 PM

    Blackley…Still working on the assumption that it’s Carr who sets the mandate?

    Running a successful team is a costly do. The sooner they realise that and stop trying to cut corners the better.

    I find it hard to seperate this from Ashley, as that is the practice that made him his fortune.

    As for the deadwood, it would have been a good sign of intent if they released them, rather than sticking with as no one else wants them. They’ll end up leaving on a free anyway

  • 53 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:29 PM

    Hi Jesper, bikini bottom is starting to slow down again – thankfully.

    I think the main difference is a manager has more club control, whereas a head coach really only has control over the playing squad he’s given (within reason).

  • 54 Belfast // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:32 PM

    jesperfuglsang – capt’n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:23 PM

    Evening lads 🙂

    Ibiza…how’s bikini bottom these days?

    Quick question, what is the difference really between a head coach and a manager in the UK. It is whether you have final say on transfers or something entirely?

    Google it.

  • 55 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:34 PM

    Or ask jeff, that’s way easier as long as you can withstand the accompanying insults

  • 56 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:36 PM

    Belfast…put a bone around your neck and go play with a Rottweiler!

    Ibiza…you mean like decorating the cantina and deciding what toilet paper yo use 😉

  • 57 Belfast // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:37 PM

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    3:10 pm, Tuesday, September 15th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 55 Comments

    There were not too many good performances from Newcastle players but there were some last night at Upton Park, with the top three players last night being Daryl Janmaat, Ayoze Perez and Chancel Mbemba, who had another steady game at the back for Newcastle.

    But the reason we lost the game was a lot of our players seemed to be in a daze and played nowhere near their best form, against a decent Hammers side who deserved the win.

    daryl janmaat victor moses west ham 2-0

    Daryl Janmaat in action last night tackling Victor Moses

    Here are top three players in the vote for last night’s game.

    Daryl Janmaat (39%) – was out best player and he caught the eye for his attacking play and he was our most dangerous player which says something about out forwards. Daryl did have an excellent chance to score in the first half after just 20 minutes, but his left-foot shot was well blocked by goalkeeper Darren Randolph.
    A goal then may have made a big difference, but we shouldn’t be looking ar our full-backs to score the goals.
    Daryl still had some problems with West Ham winger Victor Moses, but was still fairly easily our best player last night.
    Ayoze Perez (26%) – had another very good outing for Newcastle, and it’s not the first time he’s looked a very good player this seas. With some goalscorers – Mitrovic, Wijnaldum and Thauvin having been signed in the summer, we though it may be difficult for Ayoze to get playing time.
    But that shouldn’t be the case, and it may be the impressive Spanish U20 International deserves a starting place at the moment.
    Ayoze is a very good footballer and has that striker’s eye for a goal, and he played well last night.
    Surely he’ll get another start on Saturday against Watford after Papiss Cisse hardly showed at all last night.
    Chancel Mbemba (15%) had another decent game for Newcastle last night, and the former Anderlecht defender reads the game very well, although he was beaten by Victor Moses for speed for the second goal, and probably should have done better there.
    But Chancel should get better and better and he seems to already have a good relationship with captain Fabricio Coloccini, who we though had another decent game in the heart of Newcastle’s defense last night.
    We need Chancel to keep improving so we can close the back door this season, because it does look like we will be able to score many goals this season, although we hope we are wrong on that one.
    Chancel looks an excellent buy for about £8.5M, and he’s produced the goods early this season.
    Siem de Jong just shaded 4th place in the poll and we think the Dutch International may have earned himself a starting place against Watford on Saturday.

    Here are the full results of our poll, and you can still vote.

    Who Was Newcastle’s Best Player At West Ham?

    Janmaat (38%, 665 Votes)
    Perez (27%, 468 Votes)
    Mbemba (15%, 259 Votes)
    de Jong (4%, 70 Votes)
    Anita (3%, 51 Votes)
    Haidara (3%, 49 Votes)
    Krul (2%, 42 Votes)
    Coloccini (2%, 27 Votes)
    Colback (1%, 24 Votes)
    Sissoko (1%, 23 Votes)
    Aarons (1%, 22 Votes)
    Wijnaldum (1%, 18 Votes)
    Cisse (1%, 17 Votes)
    Thauvin (1%, 12 Votes)
    Total Voters: 1,747

    Comments welcome.

    Tags: Ayoze Perez · Chancel Mbemba · Man of the Match · Newcastle News · Siem de Jong

    55 RESPONSES SO FAR ?
    1Oldgit1 // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:16 PM

    20Oldgit1 // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:09 PM

    @ jail for Ashley you sir are a true gentleman. But feel bitter towards toonbrother, he is a cad of the highest order and a turd. Sorry tried to keep the stiff upper lip, failed lol. I to was going to take the bet when the original bet was for all season. The little toe rag changed the bet. He is a dishonest man and I for one will now boycott all his blogs. If I see his name I will gloss over. I have nothing but total hatred for this guy. You sir have my utmost respect. My hat off to you .

    2the broons // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:17 PM

    is toonbrother the lad who keeps having a go at coloccini?

    3SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:18 PM

    the broons
    yip

    4ToonFan_Bangladesh // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:23 PM

    In my opinion, Janmaat actually doesn’t do enough in defense. He is very good at going forward but most of the times he struggles defensively which is his primary responsibility. And also the team lacks creativity. Most of the midfielders are like box-to-box players. Its sad to say, but we haven’t replaced Cabaye yet.

    5Jail for Ashley // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:23 PM

    Thank you Old Git,
    Aye, he clearly moved the goal posts and it’s pretty obvious from my post that I thought he had said the next five games, in fact when I read it, I went on NUFC.com, checked the fixtures and thought to myself ”of course we’ll beat Watford”. But like I said I misread it and have paid my bit to a worthwhile cause.

    6firebug666 // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM

    Jail

    Total respect mate you have honoured a bet that most people on here believe will not finish till the final whistle of the Watford game.

    Toonbrother changed the dynamics of your bet even as it was being made. The bet was for the season, then changed to the next five games, and then included the Southampton game which had been played with the result in his favour.

    According to Toonbrother then the bet was for only four games as the result of the first game was already in.

    Jail you are a true gentleman.

    Toonbrother

    You need to take a good long look at yourself, and need to regain some self respect, and maybe the respect of others you seem to have lost on here.

    Any self respecting man would match the generosity Jail has shown and also donate £100, not gloat as you have been.

    7Jib // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:29 PM

    Oldgit1

    Mt Tuff exactly how many usernames do you have ?

    8Jail for Ashley // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:32 PM

    Jeff,
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    9Jib // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:33 PM

    Highlights !!??!!?? of the Hammers game plus post match interviews with Wijnaldum and McClaren.

    10the broons // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:33 PM

    SPRINGY

    I know I can be a reet miserable sod sometimes but I do like to see the positives aswell. While I must admit if its the lad am thinking of he comes across as a reet moaner with never any validity to his arguments.

    11Jib // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:34 PM

    Highlights !!??!!?? of the Hammers game plus post match interviews with Wijnaldum and McClaren.Sorry should have said on NUFCtv

    12the broons // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:35 PM

    Jail

    Nice to hear you donating to a cause very dear to my heart. Good on ya mate

    13Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:37 PM

    Well toonbotherer didn’t dispute jails Watford statement which implies he accepted that part of the bet so if we beat Watford then we should expect toonbotherer to cough up – doubt it though as I firmly believe him to be a log. Serves you both right for gambling though. It’s a cruel mistress, well except for the charity that is 🙂

    14Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:43 PM

    Let’s just recall that the whole purpose of toonbotherers bet was to ” prove” our losses would be squarely laid at Colo’s feet so it doesn’t accomplish it’s aim anyway.

    15cyprus // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:45 PM

    On this:
    *Well, Janm is good going forward (still he should ‘ve scored), but he does leave that side exposed and is kinda slow.
    *Perez should somehow start every game, not sure why he lost his place as he was our best player last year.
    * Mbemba is a top player, it seems.

    The game slipped away, but it wasn’t as bad as I had expected, given the ‘we are going down’ posts. (Maybe we will, but not on that performance)… Come on, we’ve all seen way worse. We dominated the game, were easily dispossessing them, Krul hardly worked (neither did their goalie, I’ll get to that, hold on). WH, on that, are not a good team, they will flirt with relegation.

    Now, yes, the team must address the little matter that so few shots are made on goal; that we still can’t do much from set plays, apart from put OURSELVES in real danger; that more incisive balls aren’t played in; that Cisse is a spent force. But, we probably deserved more last night, with some luck we would’ve gotten something. That goal happens one in a hundred; the counter was fixable stupidity; WH was the away team, we should’ve spanked them. Next time we’ll get them.

    I was more upset folllowing the ManU game we (played like a heroic Conference team) and Swansea (made them look like Barca).

    16NezzaNUFC // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:51 PM

    What do you think guys on this lineup

    Krull
    Chancel, Taylor, Collo
    Janmaat, Hiadara
    Sissoko, Winaldum
    Aarons, Perez, Thuavin

    A 3-2-2-3 ??????

    Janmaat and Hiadara can push up and act as wingers since there defence ain’t the best.

    Collo can push a little further up in attack to link with the midfield.

    Aarons and Thuavin act as wingers/inside forward

    ???????????

    I’m sick of this negative 4231

    Also this 433 that people state gets converted into a 4231 so NO 433 formation!

    17Jail for Ashley // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:53 PM

    Tsunki,
    Technically speaking there were two bets, the first one, toonbotherer asked anyone to bet him we would not win another game with Collocini in the line up this season, I took that bet, so although I also accepted his new terms there’s nothing to say that the old bet was cancelled !

    18BandB // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:54 PM

    Who is prepared to bet that Toonbrother refuses to acknowledge that Jail has paid up on his hooky bet, and carries on as if he’d won a massive victory?

    19Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:55 PM

    it’s the same problems I’m afraid. Everyone goes on about the poor defence or strikers but it’s our woefully assembled midfield that’s still the issue. Offers no threat forward, offers no assistance to cover defence. It will continue until the balance is put right. Imo you can’t play sissoko, Colback Anita and Thauvin, or a mix of any three, at the same time. Not just square pegs but multiple shaped ones in round holes.

    20NezzaNUFC // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:55 PM

    Set pieces in my view need to be played short.

    Every time we play short we look dangerous and to keep the opposition guessing we should have one side playing short the other side long with long going near post and far post instead of aiming for tall players

    21the broons // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:56 PM

    Nezza

    Call me old fashioned but I’ve always been a fan of the 4 in the backline formation, I think the 4-3-3 with 1 holding midfielder and 2 wingers/inside forwards would work best.

    Krul
    Janmaat Colo Mbemba Haidaira
    Tiote
    Sissoko Wiji
    Perez Mitrovic Aarons

    But of course that leaves out my beloed De jong, don’t know what is for the best anymore.

    22bettyswallocks // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:57 PM

    Not been back long but having reflected , discussed and analysed ,the over fifties nufc supporters crew with big hangovers all agree that we were absolute shyte.

    The only positive was Perez and that’s it.

    Krul was stopped from playing it out to the full backs so reverted to kicking for touch to fuel the anger and frustration of everyone.

    The two DM s offer nothing going forward, only square or backward passes or slowing the play down.

    All our crosses and final balls were terrible.

    Cisse as a lone striker is a joke. He can’t trap a ball or hold it up.

    What is the point of Sissoko? What is his position ?

    My cautious optimism is rapidly diminishing and I think we’re in for another bottom of the table survival scrap.

    The taunts from the Hammers fans, Andy Caroll , he left cos you’re sh.t made it a horrible , frustrating night.

    No cohesion or quality passing and we never looked like scoring.

    23NezzaNUFC // Sep 15, 2015 at 3:59 PM

    Broons

    That’s good mate but isn’t that a 4123 style or a 41221

    Plus SDJ can play as striker and a midfielder if that helps.

    24Reyantoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:01 PM

    Can’t say much as i haven’t seen the game but still i’m not get worried too much.If we look at our opening fixtures,all of them were not easy games.You cannot judge or predict today’s game based on last performance.Westham were poor at home prior to yesterday’s game but they have plenty good and experienced players capable of dominating and changing things.So clearly the Westham game was not easy one.I think the real test will start next week.
    As for colback – Anita partnership,i think they both played well so far,don’t know what happened yesterday but i would drop Anita if i were to give a chance for Tiote.Others should be given another chance.Those who criticise Mitrovic should now realize how important he is interms of holding the ball and physically battle opponent players.That is what we lacked last night in my opinion.Take it easy,we’ll come good

    25Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:02 PM

    Surprised you paid Jail it was a null bet seeing as the terms weren’t laid out. Still, a worthy cause it’s not money wasted.

    I think it would be blog justice to freeze out the bounder and lickspittle that is toonbotherer. He is a duplicitous worm and a smug conniver.

    26NezzaNUFC // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:02 PM

    41221 style I would go for

    Krull
    Janmaat, Chancel, Taylor, Haidara
    Collo
    Anita, Sissoko/Winaldum
    Aarons, Thuavin
    Perez

    27BandB // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:03 PM

    Shiftiest Guy In The Room.
    Shiftiest?
    Damned auto-correct.

    28the truth will out // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:07 PM

    i voted for the fat baldy guy 8 rows back

    29the truth will out // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:13 PM

    and to be frank or whatever i cannot see us winning a game in the not to distant future

    30toon kk // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:14 PM

    Tbh Pards had the most success at Newcastle with Aarons and Obertan in the team, injecting pace into our slow back and sideways passing team.

    31Jib // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:19 PM

    If we need Obertans as a saviour we are well and truly cattled as a football team.

    32Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:19 PM

    Well I believe that while some are still drooling over the well thumbed glossy brochure of our Timeshare Team, others are quite correctly beginning to wonder if the video presentation by Mike really was an honest pitch. The usual suspects are behaving like the plants in the room who nudge and whisper ‘ it’s a bargain’ and ‘what a deal it is’ and ‘I’ve got one myself and I’m here to buy another’. But it’s looking suspiciously like it might be the con it was all along – a money spinning ruse. Take in the cash, offer a little sweetener and wait for the idiots to start buying in.

    33croftus5678 // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:22 PM

    no mucking around at watford and no this player deserves a chance ect ect we put out our absolute best and get that win !

    it’s embarasing atm being bottom even though it is only 5 games in ! chelsea should be the ones being ridiculed not us ?

    34cyprus // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:22 PM

    Toon,
    Please man, don’t mention Obertan. It’s enough that we regularly play with ten players for other reasons. Was hoping against all hope that he would come good, gain confidence, learn to dribble, run with the ball, not get rid of it as if it were a hot potato, be less lazy… No, he and a few others symbolise what is wrong at this club.

    35Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:23 PM

    Jail
    Most commendable on your donation to charity, especially as it would appear the Watford game was part of the bet.

    I note quite a few are writing off Toonbrother. He may in all fairness make a donation to the charity of his choice if we win on Saturday. Give the lad a chance to see what he says to that.

    36Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:27 PM

    Jeff @31 for once I agree with you

    37Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:29 PM

    Randolph made it to in the PL team of the week?

    Must have been one bad weekend for goalkeepers if saving our 3 ‘shots’ on target were enough to do the job.

    38Mister Tuff // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:30 PM

    Jib Jibberish (the blog pest) – I am not a multiple poster – bit of a cheek coming from you.

    I see Jail is to be commended for his gentlemanly conduct today in honouring the bet.
    Conduct in stark contrast to some of the bounders and cads who appear on here -some of whom need a damn good thrashing in the stable yard -Queensbury Rules of course.

    39DaraghL // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:30 PM

    I would love to see a picture of Colocinni also donating £100 to the SBR fund

    40Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:33 PM

    Maybe toonbrother is actually Coloccini angling to get a cut price move out of here.

    41Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:36 PM

    Dunno about Watford but if we can’t beat Chelsea I think we’re in serious trouble. 🙂

    42Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:41 PM

    Ed says, “Unfortunately, this has given an opportunity for the boo boys and the doom and gloomers to come out. That’s the worst part of it…”

    We’re entitled to moan about the running of our football team and to predict more woe. Carragher is right. Some of us have been complaining for a long time now that the recruitment is poor. Graham Carr is 70 plus, the time of life when you forget who you are. Most other people of that age have been retired for years, decades from the peak of their powers.

    The fact is we moaners haven’t just started today. We’re moaning about something that has been wrong for several years. I made the point weeks ago that the first tranche of transfer budget should be spent on a top recruitment force. That force should scout players to fit in with the manager’s vision of the team he wants to create. So far this season, performances are bearing this out and pundits are identifying the exact same thing.

    As for fans hailing Perez, Arma, Abeid and Aarons as the lost answers, ask yourself what these players have done. Have you wondered why they are where they are? There’s no doubt that they’re good prospects. But we need men for the here and now. Leaders who will score goals, get assists, make tackles that will change the course of games and who will show determination to win trophies for this club.

    43We are the mags // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:49 PM

    i wasnt impressed with last night at all why oh why does mclaren insist on playing cisse as a loan striker, he cannot head the ball doesnt hold it up well cannot dribble or take players on and gets knocked off the ball easy,he needs the ball playing fast on the ground to feet which over a lot of games with him playing this role simply does not work.

    again this 4-2-3-1 is so deep and defensive im sorry but colback and anita what exavtly are they doing its like playing with 6 defenders, if you need to just put 1 man in front of the back 4, mind you it would proberly but colo under massive pressure and people would be calling for his head again,

    Another thing which seems to be a curse of nufc MOVEMENT god how many time do you see the whole team static when we are in possession school boy stuff pass and move,

    a 4-1-3-2 would be better in my opinion as both jammat and haidara both like going forward and you defo need a man between mifield and cisse a man who can hold up the ball and take players on perez would be perfect mclaren is starting to play this super safe defensive football and personally i dont like it but its just my opinion.

    now ive got that off my chest, HWTL

    44the truth will out // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:52 PM

    heardman would be a better option than cisse

    45Oldgit1 // Sep 15, 2015 at 4:52 PM

    @ jib can I ask what you are suggesting. I have been on this blog for a while. There is only one old git 1. Don’t be an arse. Save it for your friends.

    46Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:00 PM

    Let the manager, yes the manager, pick his players. For years the Board and the chief scout have identified individual players, presented them to the coach and said “Here, build a team”. When you put your arse before your tit, you go backwards. The trick, of course, is to make sure you get a top manager. Anything less spells trouble.

    47Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:05 PM

    Blackley…But the club, which I think we can safely presume means Ashley (advised by others – Penfold / Carr), want a head coach, not a manager.

    What to do…

    48Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:09 PM

    Some of us kept making the point that we need to get rid of the deadwood. They bring down the average standard in training and on the pitch. We don’t need them. What is our recruitment team thinking about?

    I see Steven Taylor is injured again. How much have we paid him per game played over the years?

    49Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:21 PM

    Ibiza
    I think their thinking is that managers come and go and every time it happens the new man looks to ovethaul the playing staff. It’s a hell of a costly do. I cannot see any logic in the Board and the chief scout having the biggest say on comings and goings. Building a team, blending players, needs careful craft. Round pegs in round holes, square pegs in square holes, round and square pegs in the right formations, a mix of youth experience, a blend of grit and guile, speed and endurance and so on. It’s about the manager’s vision. The chief scout hasn’t got the job of composing the symphonies or conducting the orchestra.

    50jesperfuglsang – capt’n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:23 PM

    Evening lads 🙂

    Ibiza…how’s bikini bottom these days?

    Quick question, what is the difference really between a head coach and a manager in the UK. It is whether you have final say on transfers or something entirely?

    51jesperfuglsang – capt’n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:24 PM

    *different

    52Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:27 PM

    Blackley…Still working on the assumption that it’s Carr who sets the mandate?

    Running a successful team is a costly do. The sooner they realise that and stop trying to cut corners the better.

    I find it hard to seperate this from Ashley, as that is the practice that made him his fortune.

    As for the deadwood, it would have been a good sign of intent if they released them, rather than sticking with as no one else wants them. They’ll end up leaving on a free anyway

    53Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:29 PM

    Hi Jesper, bikini bottom is starting to slow down again – thankfully.

    I think the main difference is a manager has more club control, whereas a head coach really only has control over the playing squad he’s given (within reason).

    54Belfast // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:32 PM

    jesperfuglsang – capt’n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:23 PM

    Evening lads 🙂

    Ibiza…how’s bikini bottom these days?

    Quick question, what is the difference really between a head coach and a manager in the UK. It is whether you have final say on transfers or something entirely?

    Google it.

    55Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:34 PM

    Or ask jeff, that’s way easier as long as you can withstand the accompanying insults

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  • 58 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:37 PM

    Tsunki…at no point should anyone be force to talk to pennywise the blog clown!

  • 59 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:39 PM

    Ah. Thanks Blackley for pointing out Eds Comment :-

    Unfortunately,  this has given an opportunity for the boo boys and the doom and gloomers to come out.

    That’s the worst part of it – but a win on Saturday at home to Watford will calm everybody down.

    Well, thanks Ed, after all we’ve done sticking up for you! Seeing as some of the ‘doom and gloomers’ make up a sizeable proportion of your paying guests I suggest that’s a bit of a kick in the nads for your clientele. Maybe in the interests of even-handedness, if we do manage that nerve-steadying win against Watford, maybe you could issue a cautionary heads up that the blog might be awash with the Eternal Optimist Crew and the Jam Tomorrow Brigade?

  • 60 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:40 PM

    Belfast…did you push the wrong button there…maybe you should ask one of your nurses to help you with the phone!

  • 61 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    Belfast you clown what was that?

  • 62 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    He’s off the purple ones again.

  • 63 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:42 PM

    Belfast you know this cut and paste thing? Dud you not Google it first?

  • 64 Belfast // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:43 PM

    Sorry about that tablet malfunction

  • 65 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:45 PM

    As I said in 62 😀

  • 66 Belfast // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:45 PM

    Haha it just froze. Time stood still. Think it might be bugged.

  • 67 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:46 PM

    That’s totally knacked this thread. I was just lecturing Ed there and you totally buzz killed the whole thing.

  • 68 the truth will out // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:46 PM

    finger malfunction more like

  • 69 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:47 PM

    Even the Russian singles have gone.

  • 70 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:48 PM

    Truth will out – if he pulled it out once in a while….

  • 71 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    I think we need to keep perspective. We’ve under invested for years and this was never a quick fix. We have begun a journey that will, hopefully, take us up the table and into a position to challenge, but it was never likely to happen overnight. I don’t know where the pass and move went last night, when it was clearly in evidence for the U21’s on Friday night, but that needs addressing immediately. There have been huge changes off the pitch and the club is clearly trying – what we asked for – so this is no time to turn on the club, the players, or the manager – it’s time to pull together. Five games. We won’t stay where we are, just as Chelsea won’t. Leicester won’t stay second either, nor is it likely that Palace will get into Europe. Thauvin needs to want the ball more, but he’s still settling in, so give him time. Cisse can’t be the lone striker either, his touch lets the whole team down. With better control he would have scored last night, but he lacks it. Macca is getting to see now, in competitive matches, just how much needs to change. Give him time to turn it round.

  • 72 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    Know I know why Ian Toon loves Belfast – unintentionally hilarious 🙂

  • 73 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    Belfast is a buzz kill!

    …he’s our very own blog Britta (from Community)

  • 74 Belfast // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    Probably my best ever post.

  • 75 Belfast // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:51 PM

    I think I covered just about everything folks.

  • 76 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:51 PM

    So this concrete wagon that shed it’s load forcing our lads to walk to the ground – did they have to plodge through that concrete by any chance? Because I might have a theory. ..

  • 77 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:57 PM

    Belfast…you usually say it best when you say nothing at all 😉

  • 78 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 5:58 PM

    Everyone’s still scrolling through all that double tripe just to get to the comment box, takes about 15 minutes.

  • 79 Earl // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:05 PM

    I think that’s the problem with having two static center midfielders and a static striker. Our attacking play is predictable

    I was taking a look at Cisse’s goals from last season. All inside the 18 yard box with the majority of them being tap-ins.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfTfKID0070

    He expects all the work rate from his midfielders/wingbacks. I’m sorry, but in this league you need more than that. He doesn’t work the channels and he doesn’t hold up the ball to bring anyone into play. As a result we have to build most of our attacking play through Sissoko. he gets a lot of stick on here. but what other attacking outlet do we have? we don’t build play through the middle of the park because our center mid’s are hugging our defensive line. And our striker doesn’t offer anything outside of the box. leaving sissoko widjnaldum and Janmaat to some extent being our attacking threat and its predictable. I think its too early to talk about Thauvin as hes just adapting.

    But we need to make some changes in the spine of the team. Replace Cisse with Ayoze at least he can offer something and bring people into play. Seim de jong into the AM position and drop widjnaldum to offer abit more creativity in the into CM with colback/ Anita.

    Otherwise we are gunna have the same attacking plan and acheive the same dire results week on week.

  • 80 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:06 PM

    Good work Belfast, as per usual.

    Jesper…Yes, exactly those type of responsibilities 😉

    Tsunki /Blackley…Where did Ed say that? On this article? Can’t see it.

  • 81 Belfast // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:06 PM

    It just froze again but I didn’t repeatedly tap the screen this time. Phew…

  • 82 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:08 PM

    Belfast…Whatever it is that you’re doing to cause it to freeze, keep doing it.

  • 83 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:09 PM

    I think what the West Ham game showed, is how much we’re going to rely on Mitrovic and how important it is he learns to control himself. Last night was pants, but we repeatedly got the ball into Cisse in a good position – just a shame he couldn’t control it and score. Surely Perez must get a start v Watford? He and De Jong work well together and I’d start with one behind the other. Any crosses De Jong can go for and Perez can get the second ball hopefully, but playing the ball on the floor is definitely the better option just now.

  • 84 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:11 PM

    Bobbybee…Cisse’s touch was atrocious last night, but not sure I can go along with “we repeatedly got the ball into Cisse in a good position”.

    Really?

    Definitely agree that Perez needs to be starting.

  • 85 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:14 PM

    On Mitrovich, let’s hope he can produce the goods soon. If not, the striker gamble will seriously backfire on us.

    Mind, isn’t Rivi back soon? 😉

  • 86 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:14 PM

    i agree bobby,dejong and perez have to start

  • 87 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:15 PM

    Ibiza, we did get the ball to him mate, he just couldn’t control it. He had at least three chances when better control could have resulted in a goal and others when it just bounced off him and away. Three chances in a game is repeated failure in my eyes.

  • 88 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:16 PM

    im sure nitro will come good hopefully this lay off will give him the kick up his arse to sort himself out he needs

  • 89 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:17 PM

    Ibiza…that was what I thought 😉

  • 90 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:17 PM

    Bobby…Not debating that he couldn’t control the ball when it came to him, just questioning how many of them were anything close to goal scoring opportunities.

    Granted if he had controlled, he may have been able to bring someone else in to the game who could have gone on to score, but that’s not a goal scoring opportunity. If it is, each time Krul kicks it out it’d be one too.

  • 91 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:19 PM

    3-5-2…4-3-3…4-4-2?..since 4-2-3-1 seems to be poor choice which would suit our team at the minute with the players we have?

  • 92 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:21 PM

    Jesper…It’s frustrating that we can’t seem to have people within roles that either make sense or are properly explained.

    As always, no real accountability anywhere.

    Just pleas to trust them and be patient. It’s be a lot easier if we knew what they were doing. Mind, maybe it’d be easier if they knew what they were doing?

  • 93 Graeme // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:23 PM

    Ibiza, Cisse has a touch like a rapist, always has done. Getting the ball in the box is all well and good, but if your target can’t have a shot then he simply must be able to control the ball and hopefully pass to a team mate. Cisse can’t do any of that unfortunately!!

  • 94 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:25 PM

    Springy, we could all see the improvement when Perez and De Jong came on, so I trust Macca could too. I can’t see Cisse starting v Watford myself. He never had great control, which is why he scored so many good volleys. He’s better when he just instinctively smashes it, but we haven’t seen that in a long while. On the transfer front, Macca has to decide who he wants, because he knows how he wants to play them.

  • 95 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:25 PM

    Springy…I wonder whether it’s even a formation issue at all.

    Granted it sets our shape, but as the game progresses we appear clueless as to what to do. No formation will magicaly fix that.

    They seem scared out there. A hang up from last season? I’m sure it’s in their heads. It does seem from what Steve has said with regards to being hard to beat etc, that his emphasis is on being defensive (perhaps just for now). Maybe that is effecting the team negatively. It seemed to under Pardew.

  • 96 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:26 PM

    Ibiza… Haha 😀

    …now that will be the day!

    Did you happen to be so lucky that you also wasted an hour and a half on the game last night?

  • 97 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:27 PM

    Graeme…Agreed. Do you think Cisse was given the service last night though, as that was what I was responding too.

    For the record, I don’t want Cisse starting and nor am I saying he is blameless. He was useless last night. I seriously question whether he wasted goal scoring opportunities (within reason) though.

  • 98 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:29 PM

    Jesper…I did. I’m glad I sat through it all. I was encouraged by Perez and De Jong, but I’m really clutching at straws.

    It was a painful evening. Made worse by having to work with a Hammers fan today.

  • 99 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:30 PM

    ibiza
    the players we have available dont seem to work in a 4231 formation and since we cant change them for better the only other option is to try and change the shape to suit the players we have till better can be brought….may not the solution but worth lookin at

  • 100 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:30 PM

    What? Maybe I’m being too critical then, but when the ball is coming to the striker and he could, with the right touch, take it away from his marker and get a shot in, I call that a chance. It’s also a chance when with the right touch he could’ve laid somebody else on, but again that failed. Few chances are laid on a plate, you have to earn them. God knows what that waffle about Krul was.

  • 101 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:31 PM

    That doesn’t read right at all 🙂

    I’m glad I sat through it all and didn’t turn off early, as I got the chance to see Perez and De Jong which gave me some encouragement.

  • 102 Graeme // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:31 PM

    Ibiza – Manuel gave better srvice in Faulty Towers – we simply do not deliver what Cisse needs. But, then again, we haven’t played to our strikers strengths since Ba was banging then in.
    Mac simply must adapt his “Vision” so that the players available can carry it out. Formations are all well and good, but they MUST be set up to maximise our strengths and try and minimise our weaknesses.

  • 103 Graeme // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:32 PM

    Springy @ 99 – Exactly

  • 104 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:32 PM

    ibiza the service was poor to cisse but he didnt do himself any favours with his work rate and control tho

  • 105 bob52 // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:36 PM

    Haidara for me was outstanding, in fact the back line looked fine without too much help in front of the line, my biggest worry and I am amazed others have not been shouting it is the useless performance of Cisse, OK he did not have too much service but when you analyze his efforts its clear he only has average speed, cannot beat a defender one on one, cannot hold up the ball for other attackers, cannot compete for headers and snatches at goal chances. ALL of the attributes that Perez shows every game, he must start the Watford game.

  • 106 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:36 PM

    Bobbybee…Don’t worry, I’ll save directing anymore waffle your way today.

    Springy…I’m obviously not doing a good job of explaining myself this evening 🙂

    I’m up for changing the formation, in fact, I’ve said it a few times too. We shouldn’t need two defensive midfielders for every game.

    What I was saying is I wonder whether it’s as simple as that, or is the reason the current formation appears to not be working more to do with the instruction the players are getting, or that they’re too nervous / uncomfortable (which the formation wont fix) rather that the shape itself?

  • 107 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:37 PM

    since janmaat and haidara seem to prefer attacking more then defending 3 5 2 may work better for the players we have…..all if’s and but’s…..but i’d he tried it and lose a few games then not try it and lose anyway??

  • 108 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:39 PM

    Janmaat got the man of the match vote. He covers loads of ground but so does Tarmac. He runs all day but so does a leaky tap. When will some people see that he cannot pass the ball? He gets into great areas and flops. I was amazed when he got player of the season and read what a quality player he is. He’s bang average. They will call me an idiot, then they’ll ignore me, then you wont be able to find anyone who didn’t say it in the first place. The penny will drop and before long.

    I raved about Thauvin’s performances especially against Northampton and Man Utd. But I drew parallels with Damian Duff’s debut and urged major caution about saying he’s a quality signing. I could see in the first 10 minutes last night he was going to give us nothing for 90. Perez should have come on much earlier. But please don’t expect Perez to be the answer for this season. Or de Jong for that matter.

  • 109 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:41 PM

    Springy / Graeme…100% Cisse did himself no favours and was useless. Not sure how else to say it 🙂

    To clarify whether when he was wasteful after receiving goal scoring service, I’d need to watch the game again.

    The chances of that happening? Let me check the odds on us winning the league.

  • 110 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:43 PM

    Bob52
    I thought Haidara was shocking. Simply not good enough. If all our players were the standard of Haidara, we’d be relegation certainties.

  • 111 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:43 PM

    ibiza
    that may be the case(instuctions..or there lack of)…but it could also just be the attitude of the players…like i posted earlier today about being big time charlies and only grafting against the better sides when it suits them and thinkin they just need to show up to win for the lesser sides

  • 112 toon kk // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:43 PM

    I think we’ll break a record for a premier league club to be relegated with the least amount of points, we’re so far behind every other club.
    poor scouting wasting millions on the wrong type of players for the EPL.

  • 113 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:45 PM

    Springy…If that’s the case, which it may well be, I’m still not sure what a formation change will do to help things.

    Again, I’m not saying let’s not change the formation. I really hope he does. I just wonder whether that’ll actually be enough.

  • 114 NUFC_LEAZES END // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:45 PM

    After watching the game last night and other games this season, I think mcclaren needs to make quite able changes to the line up. I like the system and how we are looking to play the ball rather than just hoof it all of the time so I’d keep the same formation.
    The starting line up I think we are crying out for is,

    Krul
    Janmaat mbemba colo haidara
    Wijnaldum Sissoko
    Obertan De jong aarons
    Perez

    Krul-
    obviously our best goalkeeper, but his distribution is worrying and needs worked on immediately because although he makes a lot of saves he also is the reason for those chances for the opposition arising a lot of the time.

    Janmaat-
    obviously is a good player going forward creating chances but could improve defensively. Still albeit one of our better players.

    Mbemba-
    This guy looks the real deal he’s fast, strong, reads the game well and most importantly he looks to play it out of the back rather than hoof it.

    Colo-
    Seems like hes looking more comfortable playing alongside mbemba. My only worry is if mbemba gets injured or banned will he go back to being nervy and unreliable.

    Haidara-
    Way too predictable on the ball. Not premier league quality and to think he’s our best left back is very worrying.

    Wijnaldum-
    Very good player looks very good on the ball and great that he looks to get himself up the pitch rather than just hanging about like Colback and Anita.

    Sissoko-
    Very good but why managers and some people think he’s a winger is beyond me. He’s a natural cm and is getting wasted out wide. I hope (but highly doubt) that mcclaren will play him in the centre from now on as our other cm options don’t really offer much.

    Obertan-
    People may disagree with me but I think obertan has improved alot over the past year or so. He runs at players, he’s strong and his crosses look to be getting better than what they were. He gives defenders something to think about.

    De jong-
    I think he needs a run of games, he links up play very well, he’s a clever footballer and I think he’ll pick himself a good few goals up as he looks to get in the box alot which is what we need.

    Aarons-
    Our best player in pre season by a mile yet doesn’t get a chance in the premier league??!! Quick, skillful and runs at defenders is something so far thauvin hasn’t had, whether he is still adapting or what but that’s what we thought of cabella aswell.

    Perez-
    Clearly our best striker he’s quick got good agility and an eye for goal how he is behind cisse in the pecking order is beyond me.

  • 115 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:46 PM

    Not sure if I can take another season like this again and I am quickly losing interest in following NUFC .

    I am also coming to the realization that our players aren’t as talented as some (including me) think they are and that for every gem Carr finds, there are 5 or 5 duds . Considering we went for Thuavin on so many occasions when we could have had Payet, Zaha or Sako .

    Also I have been saying that Colback & Anita are hopeless together especially when coming up against physical specimens like Kouyate, and that De Jong should be starting .

    I can only hold on to the fact we have had a hard run in and have players still adjusting to the league, but that doesn’t make up for having the least amount of goals in England.

  • 116 bob52 // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:48 PM

    Blackley

    Its only my opinion, I thought he both attacked and defended well and second only to Jannmet as our best attacker. but what about Cisse, he is a liability and with him up front its as bad as having 10 men on the pitch

  • 117 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:50 PM

    Ibiza, couldn’t agree more about the usage of two holding midfielders. Do we need two v Watford at home? I certainly hope not. The best form of defence etc etc means we should attack more at home – 4132 comes to mind

  • 118 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:52 PM

    ibiza
    he can only try changin the shape…if nowt the fans will give credit for tryin and will show the players up for they are…your right tho if it is the players mindset or the instructions they recieve formation wont do anything and we’ll still play crap!!lol

  • 119 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:52 PM

    Bobbybee…Do you really want me to answer? I can’t guarantee waffle free, only not to post to you 🙂

    *Disclaimer: This post may contain waffle, but I didn’t want to appear rude.

  • 120 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:52 PM

    Bob52
    I agree Cisse is not delivering. However, Perez won’t score enough goals or deliver enough assists to keep us up. Like Kieron Dyer, he flatters to deceive. He’s got a great spin and turn that really impresses fans. It’s ehat happens after that. Notice when he did it last night. He then played the ball to Colo on the wing when on the break, but behind him. Colo was forced to check back, return it to Perez who headed back towards his own goal. If he can turn into half the player Robert Lee was, he’ll show a welcome improvement.

  • 121 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    Springy…Something has to be tried – might as well be the formation mate.

    I think most fans would be reassured if he was trying different things to see what worked and what didn’t. That’s why I was somewhat enouraged by the subs last night. Hopefully a penny dropped somewhere.

  • 122 toon kk // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    Get Aarons and Obertan on the f-ing wings and get some pace in our sluggish lacklustre team.

  • 123 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:57 PM

    Come on ibiza, you’re better than that – but that krul stuff was waffle marra. 😉

  • 124 Graeme // Sep 15, 2015 at 6:59 PM

    Ibiza – get a grip on that penny mate – if it hits Taylor, he’ll be out until Easter ffs!! lol

  • 125 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:02 PM

    ibiza
    id rather he did something then nothing u can always go back to the non effective pap it is now…but would show bravery and management to try…..as for the penny…must of dropped after last night

  • 126 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:10 PM

    Springy…One lives in hope, but maybe this is Steves wait and see stance and believes in this approach? I know, let us “wait and see” 🙂

    Graeme…It might not even have to hit him. Lose change in his pocket could put him out until Easter.

    Bobbybee…But am I? 🙂

    We’ll go back briefly then…My point on Krul was, if any pass to an attacker is a goal scoring chance (on the basis that they could turn a player, or lay off a pass – which is what I would consider making a goal scoring opportunity), then any kick from Krul could be considered a goal scoring set up. I was being sarcastic and seriously question how many opportunities Cisse had to actually score last night.

    How useless he was though is definitely not in question.

    As for 2 holding midfielders against Watford. Let’s hope not. I can’t remember, did we use two against Northampton? Be interested to know.

    4-1-3-2 sounds good to me. Or 4-3-3, or, or, or….just not two holding midfielders.

  • 127 Jail for Ashley // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:11 PM

    Jonas was apparently a very popular figure round the place, I wonder what the players thought about the old regime treating him the way they did. I wonder if the new regime deny culpability send some nicely written e mails from their new regime offices.

  • 128 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:12 PM

    macca said judge me after ten games,thats when i’ll know my best side…thats 5 down so he’s either got to change and have a look at other players or formations or dont change at all ride out the bad times and hope these players and formation comes good…..sat against watford could be a big game for more then just the points at stake

  • 129 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:13 PM

    The cart is stuck in the clarts. If we bolt on Perez and De Jong, it won’t be enough to pull it out. Makro and Costco have to put their heads together and come up with a strategy fast. A lot is resting on Mr Charnley and Mr Carr’s choice of coaching team. A good coach should be able to save us this season.

  • 130 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:15 PM

    ibiza
    im sure tiote and goofy played the holding 2 positions if i remember rightly

  • 131 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:17 PM

    Springy…That perhaps doesn’t bode too well for our hopes then.

    Right, I’m off to the shop or I shall be going hungry.

    Catch you later one and all.

  • 132 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:18 PM

    blackley
    the players need to man up and take responsibility along with a good coach

  • 133 Thump // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:18 PM

    @Ibiza: We only had one holding midfielder against Northampton (Tiote), with Gouffran playing through the middle. It was… interesting.

  • 134 Harley // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:18 PM

    Nufc leazes end

    I like your line up but can’t agree on obertan, I think he’s our worst player.

    I think winaldum and sissoko would be an amazing midfield 2. We need de jongs goal threat in there and Perez should be in over Cisse definitely.

    I’m very disappointed with Thauvin so far but I’m not writing him off. He doesn’t look very fast!!!!

    Aaron’s should definitely be getting a chance too.

    Back 4 picks itself.

  • 135 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:19 PM

    later ibiza

  • 136 Jail for Ashley // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:19 PM

    SPRINGY,
    Welcome to the blog.
    If we are rock bottom after ten games, do you think it is fair to judge him, he said it was. I think we’ll have to wait to judge him after 19 have been played, The way things are going they’ll have a beautiful excuse to exit to Sheff Wed in the third round.

  • 137 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:20 PM

    Thump….Thanks, so a 4-1-4-1? Or something along those lines?

    We’re looking for light at the end of the 4-2-3-1 tunnel, is there any?

    Shops….

  • 138 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:23 PM

    Springy
    Are there any men among them? I’m not convinced by old Mr Carr’s painstaking research into our players’ characters.

  • 139 angelswithdirtyfaces // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:27 PM

    Have to agree with the ‘too early to panic’ posters on here today. Having said that – we are looking very much a team more likely to reach the giddy heights of 18th than 8th on form. A team aiming for 8th would have beaten Southampton at home and been able to take at least one draw from the Hammers and Swansea. Especially with 4 new and eager £10m+ players on board.

    Another two or three games with only one point and very few shots on goal and the alarm bells will begin to ring though.

    There is also a lot of truth in the questioning of Carr’s recruitment. We missed out on very affordable CBs in Van Dijk and Alderweield over the last few years – and seeing Stoke sign Shaqiri too, sort of makes it look as if we have very rigid and single minded recruitment, totally unable to think laterally and be opportunistic. That has to be down to Carr.

    I was no fan of AP but it does seem that being in control of player reccruitment, or at least a major influence, brings results in not having to fit square players into round positions – which we are still doing, as so many bloggers point out. If we finish well below Palace again this season then it will point to our problems being elsewhere than a mediocre coach.

    And if those faults as a club run as deep as it seems – then Macca will not save us.

  • 140 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:27 PM

    jail
    if macca sticks with the same side for ten games i think he’ll b gettin judged no matter what if the results are’nt good….it may not be as bad if he’s tryin different players formations….he still myt like!!……fair play for the toonbrother thing mate

  • 141 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:28 PM

    cheers for the welcome as well jail!lol

  • 142 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:29 PM

    u might have a point there blackley!!lol

  • 143 Jail for Ashley // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:30 PM

    That players character malarky was just more baloney to stall on buying players, how many players have we signed with get out clauses or who have been prepared to go on strike. Loic Remy is hardly a loyal servant to anywhere he’s been and they were more than happy to get him in on the cheap.

  • 144 BandB // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:30 PM

    Graeme makes a good point about Demba Ba.
    Ba could receive the ball at any pace and height, with his back to goal, or with the ball delivered behind him, and fashion a chance.
    Cisse is not that type of player, and they know it.
    So balls delivered to him in those circumstances are not goalscoring opportunities for him. He wasn’t fluffing it. He can’t do it.

  • 145 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:33 PM

    In pre-season the Crimbo period looked oh so far away, far, far into the FUUTUUURRRRE! But now it doesn’t. We can start thinking about it in terms of weeks pretty soon. A daunting and sobering thought indeed. I’m not sure that more than a draw or a scraped win can be gleaned from Watford, and a loss against Sheffield Weds could be decidedly de motivating. Sorry to be one of those ” doom and gloomers” Ed warned you to be wary of. But I’m not seeing many of those green shoots of recovery pushing skyward just yet. Still, there’s window 2, in January. If we shop well we could avoid spending window 3 in the next tier down.

  • 146 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:33 PM

    Mclaren needs to be brave Sissoko deserves to be dropped and Colback or Anita have to make way for more attack minded players

    Pardew and Carver never used to ring the changes always stuck with their favourites so Mclaren has the chance to show he is different

    What I cant understand though is we dont press for the ball at all West Ham would have folded if we had have went straight at them from kick off

    Watford though beat Swansea last week so they will sit in deep and absorb pressure and try and beat us on the counter but we need to go for it

  • 147 Bobbybee // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:33 PM

    Ibiza, we definitely don’t need two holding on Saturday, we need to fly out the traps and attack from the first whistle. One good win can change a lot in football and we need that win more than ever. We are what we are until January and Macca needs to find a solution until then. We’ve got a run of games following city away that could lift us right out of the gloom.

  • 148 sing in the corner // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:40 PM

    One thing that stood out from last night is that Wijnaldum has suddenly stopped grinning.

  • 149 Tsunki // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:40 PM

    We are the smiling clown of the PL. The ” Crying on the Inside” one. There’s something amiss internally, something our motivation and fitness gurus can’t quite pin down and subdue. I go with the theory there is a bit of a schism in there somewhere.

  • 150 Jail for Ashley // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:47 PM

    I didn’t even realise that Sissoko was playing last night, if he’s playing as a winger then it’s time to drop him and get a proper winger in place. Hope this Thauvin works out.

  • 151 sing in the corner // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:48 PM

    Tsunki

    Agree. Another example, looking at Cisse I see a miserable or maybe just indifferent shadow of the bloke that breezed in from Germany chasing every lost cause with vigour, and scoring with every other touch

  • 152 SPRINGY // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:53 PM

    sissoko and tiote myt be worth a look in cm sissoko like push on and tiote just sits and holds….then that opens up a right side of midfield for someone

  • 153 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:56 PM

    Thing is with Cisse if you know the crosses are not going to arrive into the box or there is no one to play a through ball would you keep making runs ? His confidence is probably shot to bits as well as his knees broke !

    Sissoko is lucky he gets a game for us never mind for France or a bigger club !!! He cant play in central midfield because he goes missing the only time he has been good is on the wing and now he no longer tries when he is put there (Probably because he thinks he is too good to play there?)

    Wonder what Sissoko thought of Payets performance ? Sissoko gets picked ahead of him for France but I know who I would have in my team and it aint Moussa!!

  • 154 BandB // Sep 15, 2015 at 7:59 PM

    Jail,

    I think Sissoko isn’t a position.
    He’s the “outlet ball” during that lengthy period of the game when we soak up the pressure and hit them on the break.
    This involves he (or Janmaat ) receiving the ball from one of the three defensive midfielders just ahead of the right back position and running in a straight line up the fiel, before cutting inside in search of a team mate who isn’t marked and static.
    Then you kick it into the midriff of the nearest defender and scarper back towards your own penalty box as fast as you can walk.

  • 155 Online Guy // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:01 PM

    Bring back Jimmy Sirrel that’s what I say.

  • 156 Jail for Ashley // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:02 PM

    My take on Cisse was that Pardew was desperate to keep Demba Ba at the club. He was duped in to thinking that if he made him the main striker he would stay. He didn’t. After Demba Ba left Cisses confidence wasn’t the best and his goal tally suffered, despite being the top scorer he wasn’t given the pay rise promised as he never scored enough goals, he argued that he couldn’t have scored more because they wouldn’t provide the players to give him service. He has not been happy since.

  • 157 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:14 PM

    Angels…Have I missed something with regards to Carr and his role?

    I ask because of your third paragraph.

    “There is also a lot of truth in the questioning of Carr’s recruitment. We missed out on very affordable CBs in Van Dijk and Alderweield over the last few years – and seeing Stoke sign Shaqiri too, sort of makes it look as if we have very rigid and single minded recruitment, totally unable to think laterally and be opportunistic. That has to be down to Carr. ”

    Van Dijk and Alderweield were two players that we have been heavily linked with, over many windows. I don’t know, but comfortably assume they were being scouted and we were interested.

    If the deal isn’t actually being made, how is that down to Carr, who has scouted them?

    Hi, by the way 🙂

    Bobby…One win can indeed change things in football. I hope we get it and that it does.

  • 158 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:15 PM

    bobby…I should have said that I hope we get the win soon. Didn’t mean to be dramatic. I’m sure we’ll get a win at some stage. Right?

  • 159 Jail for Ashley // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:26 PM

    Surely Carr can’t be blamed for the club not meeting, Remy, Gomis and Ayews wage demands.

  • 160 angelswithdirtyfaces // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:28 PM

    Aye Ibiza – we were rumoured to be interested but don’t really know how far that interest translated into intent to do a deal. Point taken that it might have been the inept Penfold, who takes as long to conclude a deal as the Toon do to have a shot on goal these days and not Carr – but he is a director and there are plenty of other examples of transfer failures – and if he is a de facto DoF then we really ought to have done better. I think Shaqiri and Van Dijk are the ones that annoy me most, recently, as they are since Car has stepped up to the Board.
    I also think Ashley has stepped back since AP left merely to shelter behind Penfold as the responsible person for taking the flak – he is still the puppeteer.

  • 161 angelswithdirtyfaces // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:33 PM

    Ibiza – you might have missed the post but I mentioned that I was returning to my point of origin – as Angels was my first moniker, succeeded by Magpiesflyhigh (5th finish) Yo-yo, (since then) and Overtheline (heybigspender).

    I have tried to reflect the zeitgeist….

  • 162 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:37 PM

    I wish there was more clarity with Carrs role but it cant be denied he has recommended some total shite in the last few seasons! We can say maybe he did not get the top of his lists but a lot of them still were bought for decent money while other teams seemed to have got much better options than us !

    We signed Riviere and Cabella but could have had any number of decent player for similar money last season some with premiership experience I mean Swansea got Montero for 3 million last season ! He has serious pace which is why he does well in the premiership

    Cresswell was available for 4 million what a left back he is!! Why were we not anywhere for him ? Sakho for West Ham was also 3.5 million that would have been 3 players built for the premiership cheaper than Thauvin!

  • 163 sloveniangeordie // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:38 PM

    For me the man of the match at Newcastle United was Ayoze Perez. When he came in, we start playing good football and shown some character. I think this lad has to start every single game from now on, because he is damm good. If McClaren doesn’t see that, he need glasses.

  • 164 Ibizatoon // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:40 PM

    angels…Caught the post. There had been theories.

    Sticking with Angels then?

    It really does depend on who actually calls the shots. I’ve not read, nor do I have any reason to think it’s Carr.

    Has he had some duds on his list? For sure, who hasn’t. I’ll always question where on his lists they featured though and until proven otherwise, I really struggle to believe that he’s calling the shots when it comes to numbers. Suggestions perhaps, but does anyone really see Carr saying, do you know what Mike, I’ve scouted him for years, he’s really good, but I don’t think you should spend that much on him?

  • 165 BandB // Sep 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM

    angels,

    In a normal company, the board answers to the shareholders, and the CEO or chief executive is held accountable by the board of directors on behalf of the shareholders .
    None of that is the case at Newcastle.
    There are no shareholders.
    The fancy titles obscure the fact that everyone answers to Ashley and Ashley answers to no-one.
    If there is a line manager between Carr and Charnley, and Ashley, can someone identify them to me please?
    Ashley directly sets their targets and one assumes he must be happy with it.




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