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A Frustrated Coloccini Issues Rallying Cry To Players

9:38 am, Wednesday, September 16th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 185 Comments

We will hear a lot more from Fab Coloccini then we have done since he was made captain by Alan Pardew in the summer of 2011, after Kevin Nolan left for West Ham.

And the captain pulls no punches today in an interview in which he says Monday night’s performance just wasn’t good enough, and Newcastle have to cut out the mistakes and start putting some wins up on the board.

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Good action shot of Fab Coloccini at Upton Park

This is what Fabricio has said in the Chronicle today:

“We now have three home games and we can’t accept what happened at West Ham.”  “We must try to get points and wins in the next few games.”

“We see games against West Ham and Watford as teams in ‘our league’ who we should be taking points from, so it’s disappointing.”  “We must try to avoid the same mistakes going forward.”

“For us, we can’t afford to have our heads down so we must look forward and get some points.” “We didn’t do what we’ve been doing in the first four games in the Premier League.”

“I’m frustrated about that.” “We want to try to do the same things as we did in the first four games.”

“We don’t want to go back to what was happening last season and we have to adjust this quickly,  and make sure it doesn’t happen again on Saturday against Watford.”

“Last season we made mistakes without the ball and it’s something we need to stop.” “We need to eliminate the mistakes and learn from it.”

Those are good words from the captain.

Certainly the fans are worried after the poor performance against West Ham, and hope we are not going to have a fourth poor season in a row, after we did so well to finish 5th in 2012.

Newcastle have three successive games at home against Watford, Sheffield Wednesday (League Cup third round) and then Chelsea.

We have a chance to win all three – and remember we have beaten Chelsea for the last three seasons in this fixture, and Jose Mourinho has never won at St. James’ Park.

A win is what we need against Watford on Saturday, to get us off to a good start.

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185 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Whumpie // Sep 16, 2015 at 9:50 AM

    For a start, those are not all “good words” from a captain. “We see games against West Ham and Watford as teams in ‘our league’ who we should be taking points from” is a clear statement of the club’s mid-table mind-set, which obviously remains. If I was Gini or Thauvan reading that I’d have trouble reconciling it with the promises of greatness during transfer negotiations.

    That said, I think Monday will prove the nadir; the turning point. We’ve seen it many times before, when new players arrive and nothing gels properly until a performance of such utter crapness kicks everyone into shape.

    Perhaps that’s just blind optimism.

  • 2 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 9:50 AM

    colo should do more talking on the pitch during the game instead of waiting till we are beat then making his mouth go…captain?…captain quiet more like!

  • 3 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 9:53 AM

    hardly inspiring is it!.

  • 4 Tsunki // Sep 16, 2015 at 9:56 AM

    I predict a grinding draw.

  • 5 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 9:58 AM

    This rallying cry has only managed to make me cry.

    Perhaps it’s best that our captain isn’t that vocal on the pitch. Perhaps it’s even worthwhile not leading by example.

  • 6 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:01 AM

    tsunki
    im hoping for a win more then expecting it tbh….a draw is the minimum we need… coz the games comin up i cant see many points…probs just after mondays result evrything looks a little worse tbh

  • 7 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:07 AM

    ibiza
    he’s got to lose it with a few players on the pitch now and again for me…but then again a leader should command respect maybe he doe’snt feel he’s a leader coz of his lack of commanding performances

  • 8 Whumpie // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:08 AM

    A lot of pundits are saying some starting 11 changes are needed, and I agree. Perez (for Cisse), Siem (for Sissoko), Aarons (for Thauvin… but is that mad?), Tiote (for Anita)… possibly Taylor if he’s fit for a change. All of these could inject a bit of fire on the basis of “showing how it’s done”.

  • 9 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:09 AM

    Springy…Indeed he does. I was being sarcastic.

    I cannot see why he remains our captain. You read reports that the team respect him and are behind him, etc, etc, but on the pitch? It doesn’t seem that way.

  • 10 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:11 AM

    Whumpie…I believe Taylor is out again (shocked?).

    Tiote has a huge question mark from me. Hasn’t seemed the same player in quite a while.

    Have no issue with Perez and De Jong. Aarons over Thauvin? Could go either way.

    Bottom line is something different needs to be done.

  • 11 toon kk // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    Where’s our grit and determination? We’re too slow and can’t catch them.

  • 12 anthc // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:15 AM

    Anita and cisse out for me. Give de Jong a blast and definately perez for cisse. Thought perez was our best player when he came on.

  • 13 Whumpie // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:15 AM

    I don’t think we should be panicking based on one awful away performance. We should be bloody angry at whoever did the logistics on Monday… what are we, Sunday league? Since when did prem teams leave so little time to get to a match?
    I do think our best players are yet to gel, and that we have an awful lot of quality to pick from, unlike last season. If we’re crap against Watford, though, I’ll worry.

  • 14 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:16 AM

    “We see games against West Ham and Watford as teams in ‘our league’

    Exactly what Pardew meant when he described finishing fifth as “getting a bit ahead of ourselves.”

    How can we be serious about finishing eighth AND winning a cup if we see “happy to survive” teams like newly-promoted Watford as in “our league?”

    The cat is out of the bag, though it was never in it. Watford, Sunderland, Noocarstle…the Ashley/Pardew/Colo point of view….with Macca as the continuity candidate.

  • 15 toon kk // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:20 AM

    Its ridiculous needing pace and leaving Aarons out and being short of quality and having Perez on the bench

  • 16 Shot Bru // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:21 AM

    Ibizatoon

    You’re right about Coloccini, he isnt respected by the players or the fans for that matter.

    A captain needs to motivate, have a sound work ethic and a desire to win at all costs…Coloccini possesses none of these qualities.

    This is why the team has been so inconsistent for ages. There is no one on the pitch to make players accountable for their performances when the chips are down… In other words they give up too easily…a bit like Coloccini when things don’t go his way…

    In my view it doesn’t bother him if we win or lose..Colo is a good loser like a few other players in the team, which can’t be good for getting positive results on the pitch.

  • 17 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:22 AM

    If we were serious about finishing eighth, Southampton, Everton and Swansea are the teams “in our league.”
    But we have already been told we can’t compete with them.
    Aspiring to maybe get something against Watford is not a ticket to the top.

  • 18 Toon Tang // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    Colo has never ever spoken so I don’t know how hes managed a rallying cry, unless it was just a whimpering sort of cry and everyone knew what he meant or he wrote it down like that letter from last season.

  • 19 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    BandB…Any escaping cats shall be shot. On the spot.

    Shot Bru…”a good loser” – Wow, you’re not wrong. Sobering thought really.

    We need winnners and leaders in the mix. Many people have been saying it for a while. Where the hell are they?

    Not that I want people within the camp causing problems, but is there anyone, anywhere, who questions anything within the club? Or does it all just roll along with people saying they’ll try harder next time?

  • 20 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    Toon Tang…He gets the message across with his eyes.

    BandB…It’s funny – I thought all 20 teams were in the same league?

    It’s a good job Mike’s plan for success has just had a restart or there might be cause to say it’s been one big screw up.

  • 21 angelswithdirtyfaces // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    West Ham and Watfiod are in ‘our league’ but Swansea and Southampton are out of it ?

    With expectations like these no wonder we’re 20th

  • 22 toon kk // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Whumpie
    The team certainly wasn’t panicking, tbh we hadn’t a cat in hells chance against W Ham and we won’t against any team that has real pace, we just can’t keep up or have the energy in the squad for end to end football.

  • 23 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Ibiza,

    More than anything else this mindset, which comes from the very top, is responsible for why we will set up against Watford on Saturday as if they were Man City.
    No new players, coaching staff, manager, formation, will ever thrive while the captain is stating this kind of defeatist tripe as the club ethos.

  • 24 ilovetoon8788 // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:32 AM

    Lol with expectations and mentality that Watford and West ham are in our league, we’ll struggle to climb out of 20th.

    We as well just stay rock bottom with that mindset. Shame on you colo. Just look at Leicester and crystal palace who went up against the big 4 with guns blazing and not have 11 men behind ball.

    Shame on Newcastle.

  • 25 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:34 AM

    But BandB, did Colo not see ‘the interview’ that changed the world?

    I’ve been questioning the mindset of our coach and players for a good few games now. I have found McClaren to be pretty defensive so far, even before the sending offs. The whole thing comes across as really negative. I thought this was a fresh start of positivity? It does appear to be a continuation at this stage.

    Still, a win against Man City, I mean Watford, could change everything! If it’s a loss? No biggy, there’s always the next game. There are 38 in a season after all.

  • 26 ilovetoon8788 // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:36 AM

    @ibiza

    I agree with you. It’s shameful how we line up against the big team with all men behind ball. When the likes of palace and Leicester can actually give the big teams a good game. It’s been ages since I can remember us giving the big team a proper game.

  • 27 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:38 AM

    No one can say that in Colo we don’t have a skipper who’s on board with the club’s vision.

  • 28 Sliema // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:39 AM

    They’re all raving about how good we were in the first 4 games… are they having a laugh?! Alright we were pretty dire against West ham but even worse v Swansea and across all 4 we have barely created anything… If that is what we are aspiring to rekindle, the incredible performances of the first 4 games…

  • 29 toon kk // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:40 AM

    Ilovetoon
    it all boils doon to most of our players being not suited to the premier league, we have SOME good players but they’re used to more time on the ball but don’t get it in England.

  • 30 TudorCrisps // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:42 AM

    Watford

    Krul
    Janmaat memba colo Haidara

    Sissoko gini

    Thauv de jong aarons

    Perez

    Simple

  • 31 toon kk // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM

    We were so predictable with P45, carver and now S mc probably because it’s all we’re capable of doing.

  • 32 Ron Knee // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:46 AM

    Has the club given up sending emails to supporters?

  • 33 jayphoto // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:47 AM

    Watford are a better outfit than i’d expected.
    Think gini moving back into midfield would add dynamism. De jong when he came on seem to try and link midfield to attack. His passes didn’t come off but he gave us more attacking intent.
    Thought sissoko looked ok at #4 in midfield. Played there his whole career in france too….
    Thauvin on the wing with either Aarons or Obertan on the other.
    Cisse offered not even a feint of enthusiasm on monday. Hes offered too little for too long now

  • 34 TudorCrisps // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:50 AM

    Jay photo so ud agree with my line up in earlier post?

  • 35 Whumpie // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:51 AM

    A few pundits have nailed it by pointing out that if you keep gambling on unproven, foreign players, eventually you’ll have a pitch full of them. That’s what we have; no players with a decent premier league pedigree.

    A captain who realises that the name “Premier LEAGUE” has a clue in the name as to who you should be expecting to compete against.

    Utter muppetry. Ed – how did you miss that??

  • 36 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:51 AM

    I was just looking for the quote from Charnley after Pardew left, as I remember it giving a good indication about the mindset of the man supposedly running the club and calling the shots. I’ve decided to post the whole section titled “Why is it taking time to make a decision?” (No, the answer isn’t that he doesn’t have a clue…)

    Some people won’t believe this but the approach for Alan from Crystal Palace came as a surprise to us. We didn’t expect it. People have asked us whether – because of the way the second part of last season went and the way we started this season – we had a contingency plan in the background. We didn’t. I didn’t have a number of candidates/options in the background, which some clubs do have when a Manager has a difficult period. There was no deal already in place for someone we could bring in. His leaving at this time was unexpected.

    During the difficult periods our focus was on supporting Alan. I hope people are starting to realise now that when we feel we have the right person in that position, indeed any position, our focus is on supporting them in order that together we can ride through the rough periods that, inevitably, come. Everything is not always going to be great or perfect but we think that as an organisation, one of our strengths is how we react and the support we give people when things aren’t going particularly well. The majority of which is private and behind the scenes which in my opinion is the way it should be.

    People may well say that the position we now find ourselves in isn’t ideal and I accept that to a point, but as I have stated Alan’s departure came as a surprise. I must stress and repeat that we parted with Alan on very good terms and I would re-iterate the quote I issued at the time of his departure in that we moved on significantly as a club during his four years, on and off the field, and Alan played a big part in that and I thank him.

    “one of our strengths is how we react” – Laughable

    “we moved on significantly as a club during his four years, on and off the field, and Alan played a big part in that and I thank him.”

    I’ll tie in one other quote, which is a lot more recent.

    “We ask that you trust us in this process.

    “We want our club to progress and be the best it can possibly be.”

    Trust the man who thinks we progressed under Pardew? When he left, weren’t we pretty much where we were when he arrived?

  • 37 toon kk // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:52 AM

    Cisse’s only strengths are when the ball drop right at his feet in front of goal, but as a team member pushing forward he’s pretty much useless.

  • 38 Ian Toon // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:57 AM

    Sutty – Can you please stop quoting me and totally misrepresenting what I actually said.- that just doesn’t happen on here! Get in line.
    You clearly didn’t understand when I spoke of a root and branch study which means from the whole academy operation right through to the Premier League team and encompassing coaching, training, scouting and transfer activity going forward.
    The review is going to take time and the implementation of any change a good deal longer; before you will see anything of significance.

  • 39 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:57 AM

    They don’t make contingency plans for bad times, because bad times are inevitable.
    Sound logic.

  • 40 Reyantoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:57 AM

    Sliema….then why are you blaming Pardew 🙂

  • 41 Munster Mag // Sep 16, 2015 at 10:59 AM

    If Pardew was crap and Carver was crap and an ex england mgr is crap, maybe we have to start saying our players are crap …and our 70+ year old Chief scout / Director of Football isnt as great as your local media cliam either. If Carr wants to keep scouting in France, we are going to keep getting players like Mbiwa who are going to find it hard in english football. He needs to up his game and focus on ( particularly) germany and spain. Who is controlling football matters at this club? A 70 yr old man, thats who. Its not good enough.

  • 42 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    BandB…But trust them though. They know what they’re doing.

    Ian…You’re sounding a lot more aggressive/frustrated these days. London life getting to you?

  • 43 The overrated Frenchman // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    How can anybody in their right mind think that Colback should be starting? I had no time for him last season when he was supposedly “playing well”. This season, everybody seems to agree he’s “playing poorly”, but he still starts every game. What does McClaren see when he’s watching the game? Something every other Newcastle fan in the world is missing, obviously.

  • 44 Shot Bru // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    Nice one Ibizatoon.

    As Band B stated earlier, Coloccini appears to share Charnleys vision for the club…absolute mediocrity!

    The club is full of ‘has beens’ led by McLaren, Coloccini, Carr, Moncur and the totally inept Charnley…

  • 45 Munster Mag // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    SMC is showing himself to be the defensive manager me all feared I think. As Sky showed, sod all balls were going into the box from our 2 defensive midfielders. The manager must accept full responsibility for this. And for not warning his players in advance to keep a few guys back in case their pacy players broke on the counter. The second goal was embarrassing.

  • 46 toon kk // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:06 AM

    Munster
    well spotted being saying that for a long time, although Carver was crap as well.

  • 47 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:06 AM

    Munster…As you know, I don’t think a lot of this falls at Carrs door. I am still waiting to see proof that it is Carr making the footballing decisions. Just because he’s the senior footballing person out of Ashley (why include him Ibiza – he’s not on the board!), Charnley and Carr, doesn’t mean he’s doing anything other than scouting and advising.

    Still, if it is down to him, why aren’t the club addressing the issue?

    I wont repost my post @36, but the same applies. They no doubt think he’s doing a top job, which begs the question, who is at fault?

    I think the summer shake up may have shaken the wrong personnel, or simply wasn’t a hard enough shake.

  • 48 The overrated Frenchman // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    Exactly right Shot Bru@44 – they all need to go. I think if Charnley got the chop and was replaced by someone competent in the job the other dominoes would fall quickly enough.

  • 49 Ron Knee // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:10 AM

    Ibiza
    The policy of gambling on young players from overseas leagues hasn’t changed. Apart from a more cash splashed this season I don’t see any difference to what’s happened before.

  • 50 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    Shot Bru…Whats even worse as far as I am concerned is that it appears a fair few fans even accept that is our place in the league.

    How we got there isn’t important, we’re there.

    It’s why I struggle to believe we can move on. We still don’t acknowledge, and therefore cannot actually deal with the problems.

    Carver was usesless, but that was always a huge gamble, one that shouldn’t have been made. Why we didn’t get in a new MD or at least a decent DOF I haven’t a clue.

    I’m confident it has nothing to do with yes men.

    “I don’t think anything works and you’re never going to move forward if you have ‘yes’ people in key positions.

    I know people label me as someone who says yes all the time but believe me, if I said yes to everything suggested I wouldn’t last very long. It doesn’t work that way. They have to challenge me, I have to challenge Mike over things – that is how management works. That’s what I expect from all of my heads of department.

    But do I want someone in who will continually try to change our strategy or put obstacles in our way? Clearly not. They will have to aligned with what we are doing.”

  • 51 Reyantoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    toon kk
    You keep banging on and on about lack of pace upfront.U slagged Mitrovic heavily before for that mistake,then shouted about Cisse should have been our main striker,Cisse should have been this and that…….If you were given the responsibility,who would you have picked in the market as our striker?

  • 52 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM

    Ron…Agreed. Same policy, just higher fees.

    It’s something else I’ve wondered about our summer buys. The quality vs quantity arguement.

    On the face of it, it’s hard to argue with. However, given our plight last season and need for more reinforcements over the pitch, was this the window to stick to this plan?

    Could we have done with a few less expensive imports? A couple of older, but experienced PL heads? There were a few going round inexpensively. Granted they wouldn’t stand the test of time, but without them, can this team stand the test of a season?

    Our policies are always so extreme. There is no balance in our approach- other than it’s okay to accept mediocrity, as it’s our level.

    Keegan and Robson were backed well, and at a time where it was ‘easier’ to break in to the big boys place in the table. For me, a huge part of their success was the spirit and belief they pumped in to everyone associated with the club.

    Where is that going to come from? Nothing against McClaren, but so far, it doesn’t look like it’s him.

  • 53 Ian Toon // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:20 AM

    I haven’t given a clean slate to Ashley, because he hasn’t yet fulfilled his promise for us to punch above our weight financially; never mind providing us with a team that was going to win something. It was a good start by Ashley but he’s a way to go yet. He does need to ensure that Macca plays a key role in the the scouting programme undertaken. Whereby Carr will scout the sort of players that Macca wants to blend into a squad. The indications are good because Carr and Macca get on and respect one another.
    On the question of Coloccini talking of beating the likes of Watford who are in our league I really don’t have a problem with this. You’ve got to remember our record in 2015 and appreciate a return to winning ways on Saturday would be a start. You’ve got to start somewhere and simply start winning football matches will engender confidence which counts for an aweful lot in football.
    Slowly, slowly catchy monkey.

  • 54 Whumpie // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:28 AM

    I’m now a bit unsure as to the root causes.

    Theory 1: Ashley was relatively sincere in his interview. The club are just a bit shit at doing what he said.

    Theory 2: The interview was indeed utter buttock cheese and we’re still striving for mid-table, no higher.

    The cynic in me thinks the latter, but there is an optimist that still thinks the former.

    They both agree that it’s all very sh*t.

  • 55 hibbit // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:29 AM

    you can only beat whats infront of you ………….what if watford beat us were do we go then ???

  • 56 Whumpie // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:30 AM

    We have to remember that £50m in 1 window is, erm… window dressing. (Sorry)

    The net average spend over the past four windows is something like £7m. That’s Championship club money.

    We’ll find out a lot in January and next summer, but it could be another 2 years before we know anything. The only real test requires us to be in the top 7 at Christmas (i.e. will they then sell our best players), and that ain’t happening any time soon.

  • 57 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:32 AM

    If I was advising Ashley, i would tell him to go on TV again and nip this unease in the bud.
    I’d tell him to explain why we bought as we did, clear up what our target for this season is, and clarify what the three windows statement meant.
    It would also dispel the gathering notion that, far from being more open, he has carefully placed himself behind yet another row of human shields, and that his interview was no more than a one-off panic measure.

  • 58 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:37 AM

    I see there is unrest in the camp, just what we need at the moment eh!

    Only at NUFC.

    If we got shot of Sissoko, Tiote and Cisse they would have to be replaced that second otherwise we are back to square one lacking in depth, our bench would be horrendous again.

    The recruitment policies at the Toon are the major problem and always has been and it’s got to be instructed by Ashley, not the managers. Too many gambles and too many all at once due to neglect.

    The wage cap is a problem and not signing players over 26 is a disgrace. We are missing out on quality players and experienced players who could do a mint job in this league. As ever though everyone they sign is because of resale value first and foremost.

    And they scratch their heads wondering why it dosn’t work..

    Balance is needed throughout the squad and the players not good enough should be gone, not keep them on to make up squad numbers.

  • 59 jayphoto // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:40 AM

    @TudorCrisps – yeah completely agree with that line up for Saturday.
    When Mitrovic is fit I’d start him up top but for whats available on Saturday think that your line up would show more ambition and intent.
    One of Anita or Colback definitely need to make way. Both offer too much of the same, if anything I’d consider one playing and one being the back up to the other. Anita is technically probably the better footballer and has the ability to play a much superior game to colback but I think colback is more consistent whereas Anita can have shockers

  • 60 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:46 AM

    the reason why the players “respect” and are supposedly behind colo is the same reason why he gets so much stick from the fans….coz he’s to bloody soft!…same with carver last year bein a mate instead of a boss and colo a hard arse captain…..praise when they do good yes but rip them a new one when they are shite…players know nowt will happen if they play bad….no fear factor at all….i wonder if they see that in macca as well?….if sir alex or bobby had these players or shearer or keane were captain would you see so many poor performances…..im not so sure myself

  • 61 Bobbybee // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:48 AM

    Ian, I agree that Macca must have a bigger say in which players come in, in the future. He’s the one, after all, who has to turn them into a team. Obviously, the player he wants might not be available and then an alternative can be looked for. With 100m supposedly available over two more windows, that works out at an average of about 15m per player per position. If that money is used wisely, then come next season we should have a very good team. One or two older, experienced players, with no sell on value, should definitely be considered as well. That’s down to the board really. You can still get value for money without resale considerations. As long as they work out and bring success, they pay for themselves in the long run.

  • 62 Ian Toon // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:52 AM

    It’s called delegation with Charnley being accountable to Ashley. With responsibility comes accountability.
    It’s now ” Jail for Charnley”.
    You couldn’t make it up.

    Solano- Yesterday. You did tell me two things I didn’t know on a player out on loan and one we have just bought. It’s good to inform and raise the blogs bar.

  • 63 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:53 AM

    BandB…Now tell us what you’d really like to tell Ashley to do 😉

    You’re not wrong though. I understand they don’t want to comment on every rumour that goes around, but given the lessons learnt from last year, you’d have thought it a wise move to not allow bad feeling to fester.

  • 64 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:54 AM

    if we r to play that 4-2-3-1 formation which has’nt worked but will probably be played on sat…tudors team is worth a shout

  • 65 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:57 AM

    Ian…What was last season though? Was Lee accountable for that, or did Ashley punish himself by removing himself from the board?

    Is Lee on his last chance this season? Would you give a man on his last chance the opportunity to start a re-build?

  • 66 Bobbybee // Sep 16, 2015 at 11:57 AM

    Ian, can you share that info matey, I missed it.

  • 67 Ian Toon // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:01 PM

    Bobbybee- I thought you sorted out Blackley and his nonsense on where we are On the playing side . Over Perez he was suggesting he was just another Dyer. I think what he was doing was compare the two and say ( although he didn’t) he flattered to deceive.
    We need to get some attacking intent in the form of Perez, de Jong. Rolando needs to show a little more so I would introduce him at some stage. I agreed with Lilongwe that Wij should be played deeper and I favour Colback in DM role as he has more steel but let’s get Tiote fit. Anita was marking the WHU goal scorer.
    I will catch you later.

  • 68 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:02 PM

    they might only send emails and do the good p.r stuff when theres nothing that can be awkward or tough to discuss….ashley should clear things up about a few things but if he says that there 50 million available next transfer window..players prices will double wages will be higher and the existing players could start bitchin on wantin bigger better contracts that they are not worth at present time coz they are not performing…so doubt he will make many if any more statements

  • 69 Ian Toon // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:02 PM

    Bobby – I will later.

  • 70 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:04 PM

    Ian / Bobby…

    solano // Sep 15, 2015 at 12:25 PM

    Ian Toon….”You’re out of touch”? Maybe! Or is it you being ironic as my former stalker/convert?
    The game has certainly changed, but the ball is still round and I can recognise bullshit when I see it, read it and smell it. Nowt has changed at NE1 but a revised budget in line with all the other ‘survivors’ who exist to exist.
    As for our summer ‘spree’ and the declaration of its success, which is only beginning to be challenged.
    1) we didn’t clear away deadwood and disruptive influences and no hopers.
    2) Our signings (with exception of Wiji) have question marks over them or have issues which I hope our ‘Super Scou’t Carr researched and evaluated.
    – Thauvin is a problem diva off the pitch and had a poor last season in France, He also lacks application and pace.
    -Mbemba is a good footballer who can play and defend but lacks height and( if not properly supported off the pitch) will encounter problems. He is autistic and will need a strutured programme that helps him integrate socially into his new environment (we couldn’t proovide that for Cabella who struggled to learn the language or come to terms with his sexuality)
    -Mitrovic (as we already know) is a talented ticking timembomb who will continue to frustrate as well as (hopefully) delight.
    Some of the above, is a statement of the obvious and some ‘claims’ may come to you as a surprise. All I can say is, I know far more than your Daily Ryder will feed you! ?

  • 71 Bobbybee // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:08 PM

    I think the majority of clubs – ones without sugar daddies – have to factor in resale value to an extent when buying players, but occasionally you have to take a loss to bring in experience. Not recklessly, or you risk ending up with someone happy with one last big pay day who couldn’t care less – we’ve had our share of those and most weren’t that old! It’s getting the balance right – but that’s why the board get paid after all. They need to find that balance and spend wisely, or they have to answer to Ashley in the long run. Changes take time sadly, but let’s hope they find the right balance sooner rather than later.

  • 72 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:09 PM

    i think anita and gini were to blame for allowing west hams 1st goal imo…anita went to deep allowing the space for payet to shoot but gini was the closest to him and let him runaway from him…but everyone was weak and to deep so not blaming one or two players most were crap on the night

  • 73 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:14 PM

    Cabella? Come to terms with his sexuality??

  • 74 Average_Contents // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:15 PM

    Ibiza, BandB, Angel’s, whumpie et al.

    Completely agree regarding our very own colossus, captain courageous.

    I posted the following this morning. Obviously you all decided to comment once ed’s run of threads stopped and didn’t just completely blank my post 😀

    “We see games against West Ham and Watford as teams in ‘our league’ who we should be taking points from so it’s disappointing”

    Teams in our league? Wtf! What a mentality to have and club captain to boot.

    I suppose it’s what’s been drilled into the players by those running the club and when the king was here because he used to say things like that. It’s a mindset conductive to performance ie they are too good so therefore why try, we’ll pick up points against the smaller teams.

    It’s fcuking pathetic and stems from the fat fcuk currently infesting our club.

    That is all.

  • 75 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:15 PM

    ibiza
    thats some post mind….ano its not yours but how much is fact?..how did that come to be posted?

  • 76 Munster Mag // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:16 PM

    Ian, I dont think thats correct sadly. It has been made clear to us in the past that the manager will not be the arbiter of the types of players coming in. He will have a good input, but its not his call. Carr needs to serve Steve, but at best, steve is part of a triangle of equals. Thats why I was ridiculing people for hanging Pardew at every turn – he wasnt allowed build a team the way he wanted. For a start, he didnt even get the centre back he wanted – even if it was just to help on his dull fre kick routines. Pardew didnt want Amalfitanos – he wanted Bolasies and Co. Who knows what SMC wants but he needs to be given them. I just hope he is not another defensive mgr…

  • 77 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:16 PM

    Mbemba autistic? Where had this info cane from?

  • 78 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:22 PM

    toon-prodigy
    thats a canny couple of statesments to just put out there mind is’nt it!

  • 79 jayphoto // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:25 PM

    @Ibiza – I’ve no problem with them mainly signing from abroad but the level of experience the players that are being signed have is a worry. I really like the look of Mbemba, but ideally at 20, he would have been signed alongside a 27/28 year old player in his prime.
    Similar story with Mitrovic. Ideally he’d have come in along with a seasoned pro in their prime to compete with. At the moment, at 20, Mitrovic at least until January has a pressure of being the only hope for goals in his first season in the PL. Its a lot for a young guy to handle. (not counting Cisse, don’t think he wants to be here and don’t think the club really want him, wouldn’t shock me to see him in the middle east by October)
    The summer window we signed some good players but either in Jan, or next summer the next wave of transfers need to be seasoned pro’s aged 26-28. Preferably with good English (makes a difference when settling)
    Personally think if you add say Kamil Glik or benedikt Howedes or even Dan Agger I think we would be better balanced at the back.
    Up top a Guiseppe Rossi at 28 would be a good signing, very good player.

  • 80 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:26 PM

    Average,

    I’m so sorry. I didn’t go back a thread, so hadn’t seen it.
    It is awful when that happens.
    At least you didn’t have to suffer the indignity of being blanked by people who did however agree with Ibiza agreeing with you 🙂

  • 81 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM

    AC…You seem surprised that you were ignored? 🙂

    I missed you post it earlier. Can’t and don’t disagree with you at all. The whole thing stinks.

    Springy / Prodigy…No idea really. It came up yesterday. I respect Solanos (The poster) views and information, that’s all I can really say on the matter.

  • 82 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:32 PM

    ibiza
    is his info normally sound like?

  • 83 jayphoto // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:33 PM

    wow some serious claims there.
    Read a lot on Mbemba and never heard about autism? He was really popular at Anderlecht within the squad.
    Cabella being gay? Reckon that’s complete speculation based around the fact that hes single and well groomed but even if its true he seems like hes come to terms with himself. If you follow him on any social media hes a selfie addict and comes across a bit vain rather than someone who is coming to terms with himself

  • 84 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:36 PM

    anyone know anything about taylors injury…..or rivierre?

  • 85 Munster Mag // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:36 PM

    Ibiza, without full communication from the club we cant be 100% but you are mad to start absolving Carr. Carr is the talent chooser, and he is choosing players that suit his football style. He overruled Pardew on some buys and nearly walked out when Kinnear arrived ( acceptable! ) . Ashley sees him as the man to save money and find the youth that will make the club richer. But his signings do not tally with the respect given to him by fans and the local media. I have been banging this drum for quite a while now. Mbiwa was the classic case. Scouted ad nauseum ( nice expenses claims mr carr ) , not wanted by Pardew, who said publicly that he wanted an aerially dominant centre half – which was exactly what we needed. Instead we got Mbiwa, who didnt like the physical stuff and was only sabed by his pace. He suited French football, not english football, and Carr’s vision of tidy little footballers is embedded in the french style of play. So we get Mbiwa’s and Amalfitano’s and Cabella’s and ( probably) Thauvins and Gouffys and Santons and Anita’s . Many of his heavily scouted players have just not worked out, its quite simple, and this man needs to be questioned. But he wont be – because Ashley loves him and gave him a whopping contract. Maybe the local media on Tyneside will stop fawning over him now and ask why we are not sourcing more pacy, physical players that other teams seem to get easily enough.

  • 86 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM

    Springy,

    Strikes me as pure internet patter to be honest, probably started on Twitter or a forum. I fail to see where it could come from, unless the players in question actually came out with it themselves which I ain’t came across whilst i’v been reading.

  • 87 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:41 PM

    I think on Cabella, the word is “metrosexual”.

  • 88 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:41 PM

    Munster,

    I don’t think anybody thinks Carr is faultless.
    What I am objecting to is the assertion that it is his turn as whipping boy on the grounds that he is the only remaining common denominator left at the club, and by process of deduction, it must be his fault.
    When, of course, that isn’t true, is it?
    There is someone else who has been here for the duration.

  • 89 toon kk // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:41 PM

    Ray
    I’m pleased you’re happy with our squad, and your happy playing static football, I have bigger ambitions ( but won’t see them ful filled by Our scouting system).
    As for preferred strikers, look what West ham did with a little know how. Someone like Shane Long would be perfect for Newcastle.
    I can’t really comment on Mirovic Yet apart from he knows how to get booked, although it must be hard playing with a team that doesn’t know how to put a ball into the box.
    The whole club needs a kick up the ass!

  • 90 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:42 PM

    Jay…We appear to be on the same page. Some balance and a less rigid purchasing policy.

    On Cabella, someone taking selfies doesn’t mean they are self assured. Often it can mean the complete opposite. Anyway, not sure this is the time or the place 🙂

    Springy…No idea. He’s always come across as knowledgable.

  • 91 Bobbybee // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:43 PM

    We all knew how crap we were last season, so I’m not sure why anybody expected us to beat teams we’ve struggled against recently. The change we all wanted has begun, but it’s far from complete yet. I’m still optimistic for the future and that hasn’t wavered but this season is about steadying the boat surely? Right now, due to years of neglect, Watford and West Ham are in our mini ‘league’ whether we like it or not. The plan is to leave that ‘league’ and push on once we’ve enacted the changes and spent some more money. Two of our new signings have slipped into the PL seamlessly and two are still adapting – this is normal and why you don’t blow the full wedge at once. A mid table finish is still on the cards despite our poor – but difficult – start to the season. A win against Watford and hopefully some sort of result against Chelsea – backed with the same hostile atmosphere that upset the Arsenal muppets – takes us to City away. Following that, we have a run of winnable games that can push us up the table before reinvesting in January.

  • 92 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:44 PM

    munster
    i think if this batch of players dont work out i think the fans wont b the only ones questioning his scouting….we’ll see how they do but up to now mbemba is the stand out signing for me with gini lookin good but the rest is still up in the air just hope they come good….for the sake of the club not carr

  • 93 Tsunki // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:46 PM

    As Ron Knee pointed out, the email spring has dried up somewhat. And no, that is not Colo speaking, that is a PR blurb with his ‘X’ on it. it’s a shame that dire performances reminiscent of the same methods and regime are still firmly entrenched, and it seems to have taken a wheel off the PR cart for now, making it even harder to push seeing as the horse has yet to be delivered for fitting.

    Ian reckons it’s slowly slowly catchee monkey – that’s more Ashley -friendly than softly softly isn’t it? . I think it’s the face eating monkey that catches you, rather.

  • 94 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:48 PM

    Bobbybee,
    And do you like it?
    Or not?
    I know you are Mr Positivity, so I would have thought Colo’s statement would have immediately struck you as steamingly negative, and the opposite of all the upbeat thinking you espouse
    ‘We should be trying to get points off Watford?
    It’s hardly Crazy Gang levels of defiance is it?

  • 95 jayphoto // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:49 PM

    I’ve always tended to not judge Carr as I felt the manager at the time (pardew) wasn’t on the same page and the club weren’t signing his top picks.

    This season both of those statements are reversed. McClaren is the manager Carr wanted, they are good friends and are said to have shared philosophy on football.

    In Thauvin, Mitrovic and Wijnaldum I’d say I’m certain they were Carrs 1st choice picks. We chased Thauvin for years and Mitrovic they bent over backwards for. Wijnaldum was expensive and a top player.

    Not stupid enough to judge imports in first 5 matches. I remember Thierry Henry in his first 6 months at Arsenal was possibly one of the worst players I’ve seen. We have a team adapting to a new manager, a new style, and in the case of 4 of our fist 11, a new league and country.
    We were THE worst team in the league last season from January – now. It takes longer than a pre season and 5 tough league games to change that. The players are obviously still getting used to playing out from the back but the shape is better. There are small areas of improvement that look promising and the effort level of all bar cisse is much improved.
    Watford is a must win as we need to kick the season off now. De jong needs to come in with gini dropping to centre midfield and we need to have a go now.

  • 96 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:50 PM

    Munster…Back to you shortly – just got to deal with something.

  • 97 Average_Contents // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:52 PM

    BandB

    It’s perfectly understandable, I’m used to it by now 😉

    Ibiza

    Again, don’t beat around the bush, say what you mean. No need to be a shithouse mate lol.

    On a serious note regarding the club, what’s that old adage? The more things change the more they stay the….?

    I personally didn’t believe our esteemed leaders interview was nothing more than what it seemed to be, a PR stunt trying to (and succeeding) in placating the masses. This was achieved by using two distinct buzz words imho.

    Champions league and winning something.

    As clear as day in my eyes anyway. And no ibiza, the sun is most definitely not in my eyes.

  • 98 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:56 PM

    bandb
    was’nt a very well thought out thing to say and does come across as mediocre is just about good enough…..you can only play whats put in front of you but can try to win every single game…. maybe explains the crap performances….all about attitude…or should i say.. wrong attitude

  • 99 Average_Contents // Sep 16, 2015 at 12:57 PM

    Anyway

    My dinnertime is over, back to work I go.

    Have fun all

    Oh and Jeffery, you’re a massive waste of spunk. No need for thanks, your not welcome.

  • 100 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:00 PM

    On Colo, another rallying cry! How many is that now?

    Fancy 4-1 to the Toon on Saturday. Has to be the first win and I think it will be a comfortable win.

  • 101 Ian Toon // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:03 PM

    Ibiza-I am loving living and working in London. My girlfriend has just got a post down here so even better. Great to see some family members and their children as well.
    I took in a lot of Ashes winning cricket. Work wise It’s a long haul but I’ve broken the majority of specialisation time required and got to spend the June of last two years on work experience combined with holiday which was great.
    Thanks for responding re the Solano post.
    When are you ever going to say what you think and not what you think people want to hear? You’ve moved on and I de- classified you as one of the “the usual suspects” a long time ago- I am joshing!

  • 102 Bobbybee // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:05 PM

    BandB you don’t have to like something to accept it. Of course I’m not happy with where we sit now – we’re bottom ffs, why would I be? As for Collo, well, he gets blasted for not talking, then when he does, he gets accused of reading somebody else’s words. I take it as read that we need points from Watford, I don’t need Collo to tell me. To be frank, if my positivity upsets anyone I honestly couldn’t care less – it’s my life to live as I see fit and I never have, nor will, take instructions on it. I criticise where I feel it’s warranted, not for the sake of it. I sill think we’ll be fine his season, so my positivity remains intact. Should that change, it will be reflected in my posts. 🙂

  • 103 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:05 PM

    jayphoto
    im hoping the players r good but after 5 games they cant be judged….but the 1st glimpses mbemba and gini are standing out…but by the end of the season…they myt not be even in side….i doubt that but nothing certain…..the team needs to gel,the players need to settle,the coach needs to work damned hard and be strong enough to change the players,the side,the captain if needs be to get results and performances…..patients needed but that will run short with poor results and more important.. poor performances

  • 104 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:07 PM

    Springy

    Most of those who voted in the fan’s poll believed we had a team that should beat West Ham in London.
    The skipper now explains in a statement that has been cleared from above, that in fact these are the teams at our level. Not that we should necessarily be beating them. Just that we should be taking points off them.
    He includes a newly-promoted club in that assessment.
    Too often when we lose and even just when we are losing, there is no shame or fight. The players seem to think “that’s about where we are…this is about par.”
    And they will believe that, if the boss believes it too.

  • 105 jayphoto // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:09 PM

    @Ibiza – aye, i’ll be honest I know zero about Cabella outside of a football pitch. Never met him, etc To be honest I’d like to think we live in an age where it wouldn’t matter to fans if he were gay, straight or whatever etc but if im honest I’m not sure that is strictly true.
    Still think he would have had something to offer this season but if it were a choice of him or Thauvin, I was a big FT fan when he was at Bastia. Reckon he can become a big player. Cabella is a talented guy but sometimes players just don’t fit with certain teams or even certain leagues

  • 106 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:13 PM

    there was no shame or fight at west ham…or class or determanation,skill or like tim flowers once said famously”showed bottle”….with the exemption of a few players janmaat perez de jong mbemba

  • 107 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:13 PM

    Bobbybee,

    You call yourself a positive thinker, but what it really is, is fatalism…the belief that life is sh*t and all you can do is grin and bear it. As you have explained yourself many times.

  • 108 Bobbybee // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    Jay,you’ve pretty much reiterated what I’ve been saying marra. It is going to take time. I’m unsure where this demand for instant success has come from, but it won’t happen overnight, like it or not. I’m not expecting too much until next season, when the spending has been completed, simply because we were so bad last time out. I’ll take a trip to Wembley like! 😉

  • 109 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    Munster…You’ve lost me a bit. I’m not absolving him of any responsibility, just like I didn’t use to with Pardew. I’m just trying to get some perspective, as he appears to be getting the blame for non-scouting issues on the assumption that he ‘must’ have a big role in other matters.
    I don’t get your Kinnear point.
    I think you need to let go of the “in carr we trust” days, they don’t exist anymore. I don’t think anyone believes he is a super scout, but at the same time, I don’t think we can lay anything close to the majority or our woes at his door. It just seems ridiculous.
    Again, not saying he’s wonderful, hasn’t picked some players that haven’t cut the grade, but there have also been some decent ones in there too. No better or worse than many other clubs overall (imo).

    Bobby…This is my issue with the clubs new and improved communication. Charnley has said the target THIS season is top 8 and a run at a cup. You’re claiming that this year is just about steadying the boat, I’m sure most would agree, so why set top 8 as the target and then have the Captain come out and basically say we’re a bottom half team? We shouldn’t have to second guess them on what’s really going on.

  • 110 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:20 PM

    Bobbybee,

    If you knew success wouldn’t happen overnight, why were you berating anyone who wasn’t heralding the Brave New World as an overnight success?

  • 111 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:21 PM

    bobby
    its the results mate and that performance the other night….i like u have said it’ll take time..as i stated above but people tolerance will dwindle with every game….or should i say every defeat

  • 112 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:25 PM

    On Cabella, I’d say it’s probably not fair or reasonable to make any assumptions. It’s something a lot of people out there struggle with and is no easy thing to deal with or to second guess.

    That’s all I’ll say on the matter. Well, that is unless I think of something else 🙂

    AC..Take it easy mate. Don’t try and re-write history, we all remember your gushing after his interview 😉

    Ian…I’m pleased to hear it’s going well for you. Not sure what you mean by me saying what it is I think though, rather than what people want to hear – it’s what I’ve always done on here (to be clear – saying what I think 🙂 ). To be completely honest, I find it extremely insulting for people to suggest otherwise. It’s something your blog fav has been doing, and well, it’s changed the way in which we communicate now. Sadly.

  • 113 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:29 PM

    Ibizatoon,

    You do realise that most posters will take that “gushing” statement at face value and quietly mark AC down as a shape-shifter, don’t you?
    Which would be an unfortunate slur.

  • 114 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:31 PM

    ibiza
    if charnley had came out and said we are lookin at finishing 14th and hoping for a cup run….there would of been screams for his head!lol….maybe colo honestly believes that is where he feels this team fits in this league…..its not a statement a captain should be saying tho….why not just say in nicer terms then myself…we were shite,we should of done alot better on to the next game and we’ll be better and try and the 3 points….thats it…no need for bracketing teams in certain leagues

  • 115 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:34 PM

    my turn for the sunshine ibiza!!lol…..bit chilly like!haha

  • 116 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:35 PM

    BandB…I hadn’t realised that, and would have thought mostly people know that AC and I usually take the piss out of each other.

    However, I shall retract my comment and refer people to ACs own account of his reaction to the interview.

    Springy…His own views? Are people at NUFC allowed such things? Not even fans are these days 🙂

    I just fail to see how we’re supposed to buy in to this plan, when we’re getitng mixed signals from those who are supposed to carry out that plan.

    It’s not as simple as saying we’re all rowing in the same direction, they have to actually do so.

    You are right, he could have got a positive message across by leaving out the whole where we feature line. I don’t see any benefit in it, other than trying to limit expectations.

  • 117 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:36 PM

    Springy…Are you proposing a swap? Sorry, transfer deadline has passed. You’ll have to wait until January. I’m not a fan of moving mid season though, so I’ll hold out for big money.

    Perhaps next summer you can have some sun? 🙂

  • 118 Munster Mag // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:40 PM

    Ibiza i am not saying that we have to lay the majority of the blame at Carrs door, but he is without a shadow of a doubt a central pivot in the club and is the mail arbiter of the talent ( or crap ) that comes into the club. he is the main source of all the players we have chosen, many of whom did not match the managers vision, and many of which jave been poor. Quite simply his elevation amongst the local media in unwarranted and his position and choices have to come under serious scrutiny.

  • 119 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:40 PM

    ibiza
    shhhh dont say its his own views to loud!..he might suddenly get a long term injury for that own thought!!!…..when things start goin pear shaped…the oars start flappin around al owa the place!!!lol

  • 120 toon kk // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:41 PM

    When we play teams that carry pace like West ham, Swansea, Arsenal, palace, Leicester for example we haven’t a hope in hell. Other games we have a outside chance of picking up a point.

  • 121 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:41 PM

    ibiza
    like newcastle…i can never get the transfer i really want!!!hahaha

  • 122 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:41 PM

    Ibiza,

    If I write a sarky pro-Ashley rant now, I will be earnestly ticked off as a regime lackey, as has happened before.
    Memories are short and reputations smaller than we would all like to think.

  • 123 SPRINGY // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:45 PM

    catch u al later people…see what ed can dig up for later!

  • 124 Bobbybee // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:45 PM

    BandB, you do not know me, please do not believe you do. I support my team through thick and thin and always have. If that’s what you describe as fatalism, you are clueless. I do not live in a fantasy world where I believe Mike Ashley gives a toss about what I think. He will do what he will do regardless of how many toys get thrown out of the pram and to believe anything else is naivety of the highest order. Woud you allow anybody else to tell you how to run a club you’ve bought with your own money? No, you wouldn’t, unless you’d paid them to do so. That’s why I have little interest in the politics of it. I didn’t even know who owned the
    club when I first started to support the team – Westwood the pirate – because for me it’s all about the team. Ashley is an extremey arrogant man who has always done things his way and isn’t going to change because of what people he deems below him have to say. I am a football fan and have supported the club through far worse than this and will continue to do so regardless. I’m not a fatalist, I’m a realist, but more importantly, I’m not interested in the politics. Can anybody guarantee that if Ashley left, we’d get better? No – and our record says it’s highly unlikey. All I give a toss about, is the eleven men on the pitch. Sometimes it’s good, more often it isn’t, but that’s football. If ever I don’t like it anymore, I’ll stop going, but I don’t ever envisage that happening. If ever I felt that strongly about it, I’d follow the example of Utd of Manchester and run my own club – you know, put my money where my mouth is.

  • 125 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM

    BandB…It shoudn’t, but the idea that has happened does somewhat tickle me.

    I do take on board what you say though and will try to be less sacractic to avoid confusion…this could be hard.

    Springy…One day 🙂

  • 126 neverwin // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM

    Cabella or Transitvan – I really cannot see any difference except the latter cost more.

    I really did not know much about McClaren (except for his England days) but so far I am not impressed one bit although I hope he proves me wrong. I always think that playing defensively is asking for trouble unless you can counter attack with skill and pace – things we have not got.
    Still- What the hell do I know

  • 127 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:49 PM

    Bobbybee,

    “He will do what he will do regardless of how many toys get thrown out of the pram.”

    See…a fatalist. And possibly an inaccurate one at that.
    Did he do exactly what he wanted to do at Rangers?
    Or was he run out of town?

  • 128 jayphoto // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:50 PM

    Just regarding scouting but I think its time the club looked across to the usa. They are starting to pump serious money into youth and are producing some huge potential superstars.
    One In particular, Cyle Larin looks fantastic. Bill Hamid looks like he could be a top European league keeper too.
    Few other US players that I think have the attributes to move across are Gyasi Zardes, Jordan Morris, Will Trapp etc
    Always find it odd how Spain and Italy will call up from the MLS league but England and English clubs think they are too good for it. The fitness levels are really high and the attitude and effort of US players tends to be good

  • 129 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:51 PM

    Munster…Sorry, missed your post there. His choices have and continue to be scrutinised imo.

    I’m not sure what we’re even debating anymore, as I thought it was the level of his responsibility within the club – something of a grey area from what we know. I’m curious as to why some, I thought that included you, seemed to hold him more responsible for our woes than others, as that appeared to be what was being said.

    If it’s purely a case of that you don’t think he gets enough of the attention / criticism, then fair enough.

    For me, our scouting remains further down our priorty list of things to rectify. It can always be improved upon though – I’d have no grumbles.

  • 130 bettyswallocks // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:51 PM

    It seems that the uneasiness is now gathering momentum again. I for one had an open mind and was determined to try and enjoy watching the team play without the politics behind the scenes dominating my thoughts.

    This might be presumptuous but I honestly can’t see that we will have a team this season that can compete. There is no cohesion at all and the players we have do not gel as an attacking unit.

    We all know by now what Cisse offers. In a team like Arsenal . Playing on the shoulder of the last defender , he would score plenty with all those skilful midfielders threading balls in to him. We don’t play like that and he is isolated more often than not and unable to hold the ball up. The new kid Mitrovic up front is not going to solve all our attacking problems as we have seen what happens when he tries too hard.

    The more the unrest grows, particularly in home games,the more the tension will creep in like before and the players will be affected.

    Obviously Ashley has a lot to answer for allowing other teams to become stronger whilst happy to just survive and spend f..k all, but there’s nowt he can do now until January that will affect the teams performance.

    Whether or not McClaren can identify what is needed to turn things around in the next couple of windows only time will tell, but in my opinion he is going to struggle to find a winning team from what we have now.

  • 131 Bobbybee // Sep 16, 2015 at 1:59 PM

    BandB, I don’t berate anybody, perhaps you’re too sensitive. Feel free to check my posts, I have ALWAYS maintained this will not be a quick fix and can’t possibly be repaired overnight. Why on earth would anybody think it could be? Years of underinvestment needs time to repair, yet some people unrealistically expect it overnight. Just because I give credit where I feel it’s due, doesn’t prevent me from criticising when I feel the need. There has been major changes, so I applaud those. That doesn’t mean I agree with everything the club does – unlike those who criticise regardless of what happens. Time will tell, that’s why I wait and see.

  • 132 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:05 PM

    Bobbybee,

    So we won’t see you ranting that people who think the Brave New World is less than an unqualified and instant hit are neggers who make you sick again then?
    Good.
    That’s all I wanted.

  • 133 cyprus // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:07 PM

    If these teams are our level then a loss is on the cards, especially away. We need to make them below our level. Although you were being brutally honest.

    We need to be spanking the likes of Watford.

  • 134 LGFUAD21 // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:08 PM

    Usually I don’t get involved with the negative formation debate.

    Particularly not when the words 4231 are used as its one of the most versatile formations.

    But we got it so wrong at West Ham.

    Make no mistake. Cisse is a great player but he can’t play up top. He had no build up value.

    He either needs a striker partner or 2 advanced wingers to pull bodies away from him.

    This floor was so obvious. I think Micky Quinn for once has it spot on.

    If we are playing 2 Dms then why are the wingers so deep and why aren’t we feeding our front 4 ( inc the player in the hole) faster.

    We were barely able to advance past the half way mark. The 3 behind the striker should be pushing up leaving Anita and jack to cover. We’d be less e posed if our attackers were pushing the opposition back. Vino should be floating from left to right to support his wingers. If we are attacking down the right Anita should be moving over to offer a back pass or cover any full back over lap. Jack should be deeper with half 1 eye on cover for Anita and another ready to pressure any central player should a counter be launched and vice versa.

    We are using our cms as the last line of defence rather than to support the team.

    If our wingers are pushing up we should have such a threat from the oppositions width. And colback plus the free winger should be sufficient cover.

    If you want to play 4-3-3 all you do is drop your number 10 back and ask your winger to go support the striker rather than your no 10.

    You’d ideally fluctuate between these two systems based on whether you were having more luck through the middle or on the wings.

  • 135 manxpie // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:13 PM

    Are people forgetting our 2 previous games were against arsenal and man u so colo’s statement is right isn’t it? Taking things way out of context comes to mind here!

  • 136 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:13 PM

    Betty…Are you not giving it 10 games?

    BandB / Bobby…Sorry, I’d like to clarify something a little further…”That doesn’t mean I agree with everything the club does – unlike those who criticise regardless of what happens”

    That conclusion was reached how? Hardly seems a fair or reasonable comment to make, especially from someone who says “you do not know me, please do not believe you do”.

  • 137 Bobbybee // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:14 PM

    BandB, Rangers! How can you even compare the two ffs. He didn’t own Rangers, he invested a few million, nothing more. He owns Newcastle, there’s a massive difference. If you think I’m likely to waste my time railing against Ashley, then you’re mistaken. That’s not fatalistic, it’s realistic. He doesn’t do democracy, have you not figured that out after all these years? It’s his club and like everything else he owns, he does it his way. If you ran a hotel that was making money, would you change it because a few disgruntled guests demanded it? Grow up for God’s sake, he’s not listening and never really has. He is taking advice off people who know what they’re talking about, after realising his way wasn’t working properly. He pays for that advice. He will never listen to morons who call him a fat cockney b@stard – mmm, I wonder why?

  • 138 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:17 PM

    LGF…I was having this discussion yesterday. Is it a case of the formation or how it’s being instructed / carried out.

    The issues you raise point to the latter being the case, which is my worry.

    Manx…I think the issue comes more from the fact that we’re shooting (supposedly) for 8th place. Surely Southampton etc are in our ‘league’ then? Not Watford, who just got promoted. It has nothing to do with Man U or Arsenal, on the main part, most of us aren’t that delusional.

  • 139 bettyswallocks // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:18 PM

    Lgfuad…….. Agree with your technical assessment, but the problem is the longer we go without a win then the lack of confidence will fester and make for more square passes and cautious , slow build-up play.

    The game has changed and is continuing to change. Space is much harder to find now even against teams that once were easy to beat. The game is played a lot more on the break ,and for that we need to move the ball quickly from back to front and have someone who can beat 2 or 3 defenders to take them out of the game to create space.

    Confident, risk taking players win games now not steady Eddies.

  • 140 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:21 PM

    Bobbybee,

    I have never called him that, or anything like it.
    Your point was that he does exactly what he wants.
    I was pointing out an example of this being untrue.

    The Rangers fans decided they did not want him forcing himself on them, and had the means and courage to take part in a campaign that effectively ejected him and his cronies from their club, using the avenues open to them.
    I imagine you thought this rather bolshie of them.
    And if one person was walking out of my hotel in disgust, I would take some steps to find out if they had a fair grievance and correct it, yes.
    What would you do? Give them the Vees?

  • 141 Bobbybee // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:21 PM

    Ibiza, let me try and make it simple enough. For one, was I including BandB in those who criticise regardless? If I was, I would’ve said unlike ‘you’, therefor I wasn’t. You may not have noticed, but some people criticise the club regardless of what they do. If I see something positive, I applaud it. If I don’t like it, I criticise it. It’s a bit like those on here who target a poster because of who they are, not because of what they say.

  • 142 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:22 PM

    Bobby…Not sure it’s what you meant, so asking instead.

    Are all those who oppose Ashley ‘morons’ or just the ones who call him a “fat cockney b@stard”?

    Your usage of the word “few” plays down the amount of unrest amongst supporters too. You can talk majorities if you like, but a few is being unfair and misrepresenting the truth.

    Bottom line for me is that I cannot stand to see a reason not to act being that we can’t do anything because he’s too powerful and he owns it. It’s not true and I couldn’t care less.

    We’re not left with two choices of support unconditionally or starting up our own team. Surely you see how ridiculous that is?

    You may not care of anything but the playing side of the club, but that isn’t what defines a fan, it’s what works for you.

  • 143 bettyswallocks // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:25 PM

    Ibiza….. I am following my gut instincts and they are telling me that we need a lot more changes yet. Another 5 games will help Mc.Claren to shuffle his pack, but the pack is lacking.

    If we had just one game changing player they could create his own chances and score a few , I would have more hope leading up to the next window, but we ain’t got one.

  • 144 manxpie // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:26 PM

    Yeah i understand that ibiza but that’s where colo’s coming from surely in wat he saying not that only Watford or West Ham are in our league just more in our league compared to man u and arsenal and he expected points of them

  • 145 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM

    Bobbybee,

    When I see something positive I applaud it, as I did in the case of Wijnaldum just last night.
    And when I am told something has changed, I ask to see what the evidence is that it has.
    If I am told something is in the process of change, I will ask to see evidence of that too.
    Is that stupid?

  • 146 magscar // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM

    Bobbybee

    it is easy to feel you are being tagged teamed on here. As far as I read your comment at 136 it leans more to Realism than Fatalism but I am sure a wannabe columnist with a penchant for analysing others can out do me in the wordsmith stakes.

    Keep on saying what you feel – others do and have a clear field most of the time. Not that you need my encouragement as you do fine as you are.

  • 147 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:30 PM

    Bobby…I don’t think there are actually too many of those types you describe at all, but many people, like BandB, get grouped with them far too easily.

    Anyway, I didn’t say you were saying that about BandB either, just asked how you reached the conclusion they (whoever they may be) criticise regardless.

    Don’t worry about simplicity – I promise I’m not that thick…only sometimes 🙂

  • 148 Ian Toon // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:32 PM

    Tsunki- Even if you fall flat on your face, you’re still moving forward.

  • 149 toon kk // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:32 PM

    There’s absolutely no difference between us and a newly promoted club, a newly promoted came up because of their success in the championship, we just stayed up by the skin of ou teeth, had we gone down no one could dispute it because we were so poor.
    We made some new signings, no one knows what Mit is capable of yet, Thauvin isn’t much of a step forward just a like for like for Cabbella. Mainly the rest are the same players that had us near the bottom of the table last season, hence our position this.

  • 150 Bobbybee // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:33 PM

    Why would I give them the vees? I would decide what was best for my already successful business and if that didn’t suit them, I would point them in the direction of the worst hotel I could think of. The point is, you can’t please everybody all the time. Ashley is Ashley and if you haven’t suused him out yet, I can’t help you. We all have the option of not going if we get that upset by how the club is run, after all. You have every right to be critical if you feel it’s justified, just as I have every right to feel changes for the better are happening right now and the future looks rosier than it has for several seasons. It’s all down to personal opinions and we’re all entitled to them, right or wrong.

  • 151 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:40 PM

    Wannabe columnist magscar?
    At least I am engaging Bobbybee on his substantive points. I haven’t insulted him, or he me.
    Tut tut.

  • 152 Bobbybee // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:41 PM

    Ibiza, I reached that conclusion by just reading people’s posts marra. 🙂 If we win the league cup – however unlikely that may be – there will be some who will complain it wasn’t the FA Cup. I most certainly wasn’t classing BandB in that lot, I was simply responding to her post to me. We discuss, we either agree or don’t, then hopefully like adults, we move on – surely that’s what a blog is all about? Oh, sorry, silly me – we agree I’m right, then we move on! 😉 😉

  • 153 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:41 PM

    The thing that does worry me is Derby last season they were terrible 2nd half of the season and Mclaren could not halt the slide can he turn us around ?

    One thing for sure is we will defo find out what kind of manager Mclaren is this weekend as its a must win game

    I would drop Sissoko hes been shite for too long will he be brave enough to do it though?

  • 154 jimmysmith // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:42 PM

    I think its premature to be criticising platers, coaches and certainly the owner, after he’s just spent 50 million quid.

    It is reasonable however to speculate as to whether changes to the starting 11 are needed, but also to bear in mind our next three games are at home and eminently winnable. Win those, and the complexion of the season is all of a sudden a vastly different one.

  • 155 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:42 PM

    Manx…I’m not sure why you’d want to omit Soton from the list, but fair enough.

    It’s not the end of the world, but I still don’t see why a newly promoted team would be included in that list. I can’t imagine too many West Ham fans would be thrilled at it etither. Mind, they probably wouldn’t love the idea of being grouped with us at the minute either 🙂

    Magscar / Bobby…Don’t want anyone to think they’re being ganged up on. Just two different people (at the time of writing) who share an opinion, who are debating with the same person.

  • 156 mikeyconcon // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:48 PM

    We need to beat Watford on Saturday. The only way I can see that happening is if the tactics get sorted out and one or both of those central midfielders gets dropped. This is what I would go for.

    Krul
    Janmaat Mbemba Coloccini Haidara
    Colback
    Thauvin Aarons
    Wijnaldum De Jong
    Perez

    For this one I’d drop Anita and drop Sissoko. The media raves on about how Sissoko is one of our best players and on his day he can be great but those days are far too rare. His consistency is appalling. Colback over Anita is simply for the fact that Colback might get stuck in a bit more, but they were both crap against West Ham.

  • 157 mikeyconcon // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:49 PM

    Thauvin & Aarons on the wings obviously. Not DM.

  • 158 magscar // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:50 PM

    BandB

    Engaging or haranguing?

    You from personal experience like to place your personal label on other posters from the off and I know from what you termed me that your aim is not true. Bobbybee quite reasonably feels the same. I have only just caught up on the dialogue you and Ibiza are having by skimming over coffee and so may have missed something but I don’t believe Bobby has been responding in personal terms and labelled either of you.

    Anyway glad you recognised my jest as referring to you. Having been psychoanalysed from the off by you I knew you wouldn’t take any offence at my slightly humorous assessment.

    Not around long as had long session last night.

  • 159 bettyswallocks // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:50 PM

    Jimmy smith…….the problem is we were so far behind that the 50million has only scratched the surface. On paper the new signings look good, but we are a long way from having a cohesive team with a recognisable method of play.

  • 160 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:50 PM

    Bobby…But when someone does that with you, they’re not supposed to pretend they know you?

    It just seems off that you’re asking people not to guess what it is you think, yet you feel perfectly justifed in doing it yourself.

    For what it’s worth, It’s extremely hard not to do it on here. We’re all guilty of it at some stage.

    Never move on until people agree you’re right! It’s going to be a long day 🙂

    Without wanting to appear to be ganging up on you, I find your beliefs with regards to what fans can do mind blowing. Sounds like defeatism to me and back to that you have two options thing, when really we have many more. Whether we need or choose to or not is another matter altogether.

  • 161 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:51 PM

    My point about Colo’s comment is that if we start from a standpoint that we are in “our own league” with Watford, that is very likely where we are likely to end up.
    Aim low, hit low.

  • 162 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:56 PM

    I plead guilty magscar,

    I am a harpy.
    I offer my full and unequivocal retraction.
    Bobby has harangued anyone. Not once. And I defy anyone to say otherwise.

  • 163 Average_Contents // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:56 PM

    Thanks for that slur ibiza (at least BandB noticed it)

    It seems you’ve taken my advice but deviated too far and are now a knobend instead of just a knob 😉

    Oh how I love a good skive whilst in work lol

  • 164 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:56 PM

    Magscar…If you’re ever interested, I can give a first hand account of BandB’s labelling posters from the off.

    Let’s not be silly. Most people, if not all, start to form an opinion / impression of the person they’re speaking with. It’s automatic. It usually impacts how we speak to that person too.

    Surely the key part of that is to be able to adapt and change that impression as new information comes about.

    Also, I don’t think either BandB or I have claimed he has labelled us today, but I mentioned that he has labelled others. Again, this is something everyone on the blog is guilty of. We discussed this recently, didn’t we?

  • 165 magscar // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM

    Ibiza

    I know that’s what you like to think – others of course may not as it’s a free world. I wait to see the next poster who gets to enjoy so much banter with you both. May be a wait as I don’t think there are so many fatalist ones.

  • 166 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM

    Bobby has never harangued anyone.

  • 167 Bobbybee // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:58 PM

    BandB, if I’ve ever given you the impression that I think you’re stupid, I apologise unreservedly – that isn’t the case. Far from it. I do think that after eight years of Ashley, I’ve reached the conclusion he doesn’t care what we think and will always do things his way. He’s made loads of mistakes and to be fair, he did acknowledge that fact – much to my amazement!! The changes as I see them are: his step away from football issues. The forming of the board that includes footballing people – whether they’re the right people is, of course, opinion. A new coaching set up that includes one of the most highly rated young coaches in Cathro. A new philosophy that granted, went walkabout on Monday night, but looks like an improvement on the last few seasons. Spending money on better players than we have recently and the promise of more to come. Taking cups seriously. Emails to fans. These are all what I view as changes for the better. More changes are required, but it is a step in the right direction.

  • 168 Munster Mag // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:59 PM

    Bobbybee, I tend to agree with you on this, as opposed to Band B and Ibiza. I am happier that changes have been made this summer. A new manager and staff, more money spent etc. I also appreciate that it was long overdue. I dont think now is the time to rail about Ashley – that time may come again, and that time was before. Right now, I am more concerned with the types of players Carr wants at the club and concerned that SMC is turning out to be a defensive manager -as people in the know had suggested. I dont want Pardew Mk2, with high stats for possession. I want to see attacking football at NUFC and if SMC cant do it, then he should be sacked at the end of the season. I dont think it will come to that – but guess who will be the overall decider of incoming players, and who will defend SMC if he turns out to be poor – Carr – and thats a fundamental issue i have with how the club is run, and obviously Ashley is behind that. I do think we will get a reaction v watford, and score goals – maybe 3. If we dont get a reaction, i would start to question SMC’s appointment. I know its early, but quite often, accurate judgements are made early. I remain optimistic, if not hugely, that this man and his young coach have it in them to produce a team that threatens the opposition. We have to see this, irrespective of what players he has at his disposal.

  • 169 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 2:59 PM

    BandB…Well, if you’re going to defy me…

    AC…I don’t like to half arse things. Do you think I’m ready though? I might have taken on too much. Now get back to work!

  • 170 magscar // Sep 16, 2015 at 3:00 PM

    BandB@166

    I think you were using the verb from the first perspective so fail to grasp how Bobby fits into that?

  • 171 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 3:01 PM

    Magscar…What is it you’re proposing then exactly? Only to have one on one debates?

    “So much banter”? Meaning what? If it’s that I can’t have a laugh or easy going chat on here, then I believe you’re wrong.

  • 172 Munster Mag // Sep 16, 2015 at 3:02 PM

    B and B, i winced when i saw the Watford comment by Colo. Its probably more accurate than inaccurate though, just at this point in time, and i guess for the last 3 seasons.

  • 173 bettyswallocks // Sep 16, 2015 at 3:02 PM

    Bobby…….. I also think that we have made some changes for the better, but if we don’t put in a convincing performance on Saturday then the anger and frustration will kick in big time. There is a lot to do still to make us competetive, and I could feel the disappointment at WestHam on Monday, started by Krul kicking for touch when the pass out to a full back was blocked off. This was a defining game for many people to show us what kind of season we will have.

  • 174 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 3:03 PM

    Anyway magscar,

    No-one was insulting anyone until your chippy little dig.

  • 175 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 3:05 PM

    True, Munster,

    And it has been a self-fulfilling prophecy for most of the time.
    Aim low, hit low.

  • 176 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM

    magscar…Is it okay now that Munster is backing up Bobbys point of view? 2 vs 2?

    Being serious again…

    Munster…I do appreciate we have a new coaching team, new players and more money spent than ever before (even a club record signing). Where the difference comes is what people believe the reasoning behind that is. I think it was essential as without it we’d be going down. Even with it, based on the few games we’ve played so far, we still haven’t done enough, but that view could change over time – I hope it does.

    I draw the line at saying Ashley is showing signs of a changed philosophy due to him doing what he really had to do regardless. He’s not a toddler who needs a clap for using the toilet.

    As for Carr…nah, we’ve covered that well enough for now.

  • 177 magscar // Sep 16, 2015 at 3:08 PM

    Ibiza

    Yes we all form impressions of people we meet, spot in a pub, see on TV etc but how often does the average person let a person know what they think of another on acquaintance . Presumably only one blessed with the unerring ability to instantly recognise an individual for what they are and the arrogance to say it. I am no such saint.

    I slightly recall a discussion re labels but don’t keep notes so can only say I thought we were on about groups rather than personalising matters which is far different imo.

  • 178 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 3:09 PM

    With magscar, that’s three versus two Ibizatoon.
    Gangstas:)

  • 179 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 3:10 PM

    again magscar,

    There was one personal dig in there…provided by you.

  • 180 Bobbybee // Sep 16, 2015 at 3:14 PM

    Ibiza, feel free to gang up mate, I’ll take on allcomers 🙂 It’s not defeatism, it’s realism. Have you ever attended one of the Ashley out demos? I have, because I like to listen to both sides. As you probably haven’t, allow me. It consisted of no more than three or four hundred people – many not even genuine fans, but sensing a possible kick off they couldn’t resist. A lot of the information being passed around wasn’t even true and it mostly consisted of foul mouthed abuse aimed at Ashley. This one in particular was heavily advertised and even involved a police presence to control the crowd. Crowd? Group maybe. As a protest, it was pathetic. As was the other one I watched. I haven’t heard of one successful one – despite the ones I watched being thus described! That’s why I don’t see it as defeatism and describe it as realism. 3-400 people shouting foul mouthed abuse will change nothing.

  • 181 BandB // Sep 16, 2015 at 3:23 PM

    Bobbybee

    Again, there is photographic evidence that the protest at he Spurs game far exceeded the number you chose to put forward.
    I am just saying because I was there and also took photographs myself.
    Saying a number is smaller doesn’t make it so.
    And while they were aiming some foul-mouthed abuse at Ashley, they were getting plenty back from the proper fans.
    Anyway, I don’t want to be haranguing you, because as magscar has inferred, you seem a peaceable sort.

  • 182 Munster Mag // Sep 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM

    B abd B , agreed we have been aiming too low, but I hope we are starting to aim at mid table now. Blood running to the head at the thought of it…but i dont see it happening this season. Maybe next, sadly. I do believe the club is improving though. There have been clear changes in the summer. The biggest example was Charva. Most people on here, me included, thought he would be kept on. He wasnt ( thank God )

  • 183 Ian Toon // Sep 16, 2015 at 3:30 PM

    Bobbybee- Without wishing to patronise you I want you to know that I admire your positivity and your outlook on life. As well of course your devotion to and knowledge of the toon. You don’t make me laugh anywhere as much as Belfast but your a great guy- for what it’s worth.

    It really does pay to be positive and spread positivity in your life. Not only for your own health and mental state but those you love as well. I was brought up and from being very young to believe that when faced with a setback ” to just get on with it”. You clearly have followed that mantra in your life. A positive mindset makes you feel so much better and allows you to rationalise and when faced with a negative situation you can put it into perspective without too much mental gymnastics.
    There are people who are never happier than when they are being miserable but if you are constantly surrounded by negative people they sap the energy from you.
    Other people don’t walk in your shoes. They don’t know what makes you tick.
    HWTL.

  • 184 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 3:32 PM

    BandB…I think Magscar is just commenting on the injustice of it all and doesn’t fall on either side…I’m pretty sure it’s something along those lines anyway.

    Magscar…I can send you a copy of my notes, if you’d like?

    Who personalised things today? I didn’t think it was personal. I asked how he came to the conclusion that some out there will never be happy.

    As for the rest of your post, what is it you’re actually saying (again)?

  • 185 Ibizatoon // Sep 16, 2015 at 3:41 PM

    Bobby…I’d like to think you and I, and anyone else who wishes, can continue to debate without it being considered a form of bullying.

    I’d also like to think you’d point out if I was rude or unreasomable, as I have done when I think you have. It’s communication for me, nothing more, nothing less.

    I’m not going to jump in to the numbers you’ve supplied, as no, I wasn’t there personally. I have seen other accounts which differ from yours, and with all due respect, they’re from people who I have come to trust over time.

    I’d perhaps focus on another aspect. If the ‘genuine fans’ would entertain the idea for a minute that we can actually do something to bring change, things could be easier and less extreme?

    I know and have spoken with people who attended the rallies. I’d consider them genuine toon fans with their hearts in the right place. You appear to have tarred the majority of them with the same brush, which is basically miserable people looking for a ruck.

    Can you tell me some of the misinformation they were giving out?




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