It’s A Big Game Against Watford Now


Daryl Janmaat easily won our Man of the Match poll for his performance in London on Monday night against West Ham. and he picked up 38% of the vote, beating out substitute Ayoze Perez with 27% and Chancel Mbemba with 15%.

Daryl has been interviewed today and the Dutchman says that performance was nowhere near good enough – and he’s right there.

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Daryl Janmaat tackles Victor Moses on Monday night

One of the main problems is that we cannot seem to score goals, and it’s now over 400 minutes since we last scored a league goal – that was the goal in the second half against Southampton by Gini Wijnaldum.

We still have to win our first game of the season and we didn’t do that last year until the right game – but hopefully we can get all 3 points on Saturday at home to Watford.

We are currently propping up the Premier League which is embarrassing.

This is what the 26 year-old right back had to say:

“It was a really disappointing night, but we have to forget it as quickly as we can now.”  “It’s all about looking forward to the next game now, and we know we have to put a lot of things right.”

“It’s hard to take any positives out of what happened.” “In some of the earlier games, it felt as though we were making progress, but that was a night when it was hard to be positive about anything.”

“Maybe we were on top for small parts of the game, but it was nowhere near good enough.”

“We need to get the balance right. There were times when we were trying to get men forward, but that left us open at the back and that cannot happen.”

“We didn’t create that many chances, and that definitely has to improve.”  “I try to get forward when I can, but collectively we have to offer a much bigger goalscoring threat.”

“I try to join in, but I am a defender and that has to be my main job. “It is not just about the attackers when it comes to scoring goals.”

“But as a team, we have to find a way of posing more of a threat. We have to score more.” “It’s a big game against Watford now.”

“It’s important that we get that first win under the belt and Saturday is the next opportunity to do that. We have to win otherwise the pressure will only continue to increase.”

Newly promoted Watford doubled their points total to 6 last weekend, with a good 1-0 home win against Swansea, and are in 13th place.

We should see some changes made to the starting eleven on Saturday, and we expect Siem de Jong, Ayoze Perez and Rolando Aarons all to start against Watford,  at the expense of Vurnon Anita, Papiss Cisse and Florian Thauvin.

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130 comments so far

  • Ibizatoon

    Sep 17, 2015 at 9:19 AM

    Comment #1

    When we bomb forward we leave ourselves open, so we can’t do that, but we do also need to score. How do the other teams manage it?

    It’s a puzzler.

    Good morning blog!

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  • Ibizatoon

    Sep 17, 2015 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #2

    Easy everyone, I can’t keep up with the pace of this thread.

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  • Mick

    Sep 17, 2015 at 9:56 AM

    Comment #3

    We are playing too deep due to Anita and Colback being forced back, drop the pair of them and have Tiote alone with Gini and Sissoko ahead of him with Arrons and Thauvin out wide leaving Perez as the lone striker.

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  • Blofal

    Sep 17, 2015 at 9:57 AM

    Comment #4

    Ibiza I think you’re right.

    Too often we do bomb forward and leave ourselves exposed. Maybe a legacy of trying to live up to reputations of the past?

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  • Ibizatoon

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:07 AM

    Comment #5

    Blofal….Not sure that’s the case, they just need some dicipline and instruction.

    It’s normal for certain players to bomb forward, it’s what the rest of the team do then that’s the issue.

    Systems and tactics. If McClarens answer is to be more defensive I cannot be held responsible for my actions.

    Mick…Old Tiote, I’d agree. From what we’ve seen of him, I’d be really nervous with him starting and expected to do his job of old. Whether it’s ability or his head is elsewhere I don’t know, but he just doesn’t seem himself these days.

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  • beermonkey

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #6

    Ibiza

    how are u

    problem the other night was no overlapping runners and no options we got to the final 3rd and stood still we are so static we had pretty good possession but because we were so static all we did was move it sideways and backwards
    cisse needs dropping

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  • Ibizatoon

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #7

    beermonkey…Doing well thanks, how about you?

    You’re not wrong. People advanced, but had no clue where to be, or go, or what to do. Attacks just fizzle out and leave too many players out of position.

    I know we’re only 5 game sin to the season and the pre-season was poorly arranged, but I’m really not seeing many signs of improvement in this regard and it’s setting early alarm bells off.

    I can only hope that McClaren sees the Watford game as a chance to try something new.

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  • Mick

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #8

    Ibiza

    Many believe that Tiote is past it, he may be but if he isn’t then he is what we need, for me it is worth the gamble as we have nothing to lose because the current pairing just aren’t good enough, another option would be too bring Taylor back in as he does play well with Colo and then move Mbemba into the midfield, he is quick, strong and he does tend to try to move the ball out of defence quickly, he could be a really good DM, whatever we do we need to do it sooner rather than later as we are really poor at present.

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  • Blackley and Brownlie

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #9

    Ibiza
    When we have made signings under Graham Carr, who is the person fashioning the team? Who’s vision is it that the new signings are intended to realise? Who is thinking this player’s game will suit that player’s? Those three players will work well together on that flank? We need this player as a counter balance for that player? We need a leader? A pacy player here and a ball winner there? We want to play this type of a game and these players will be ideal.

    It seems to me that Carr has a list of Europe’s top players. The same players will be on all other scouts lists. He checks them out himself. If he likes them, and feels he can get them at a good price, he hands over to Charnley. Charnley does his best. They get the players and say to the coach, “there you go, see what you can do with this lot”. No more thought than that.

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  • Ibizatoon

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #10

    Mick & Blackley…Back to you shorltly. Don’t worry, not working on an epic post, just doing some work.

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  • Mick

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #11

    Not an epic, that’s a shame as it’s very quiet and I could do with a good read.

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  • beermonkey

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #12

    Ibiza
    not to bad thanks

    pre season must have been approved by carver
    knowing we were going to have a new manager I would have the squad to return a bit earlier I know it was a short break this time round but it would have helped a weeks training somewhere nice where players could have taken there families might have helped

    overall I can see were going to be tougher to beat and we keeping the ball better I think a change in personnel bringing in perez and dejong should help us keep the ball better and both have an eye for goal and a pass so it should help us to unlock the opposition

    its been a tough start though

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #13

    Mick,
    Imo Tiote is resentful, signed on very low wages and then given a long, improved deal on the promise that he would move to a bigger club, Chelsea came in and we gambled with the lads future and held out for more money, that was probably the last chance he’ll get at a CL club coming in for him. Not sure if he had a buy out clause, knowing the way the club operate he was probably told to trust them.

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  • Mick

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #14

    Jail,
    you may be right and if so then we cannot really blame him, however I would hope that he would adopt the never say never approach and then knuckle down and show just how good he is, that transfer may still come for him but he must earn it as Cabaye did, he was gutted at the collapse of the alleged Arsenal transfer but he knuckled down and probably played the best football of his career before moving to PSG, Tiote will hopefully do the same.

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  • NezzaNUFC

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #15

    Funny thing is when we played against Southampton we had a high D line and managed to score 2 goals but also conceded 2 goals, the rest of the teams we played against we played deep and look how that turned out.

    Plus many teams now how to get around a 4231 style formation which we constantly use and never works.

    My take on this would be to use 3 CB and have our fullbacks act as wingers in a 32221 style

    Krull
    Chancel, Collo, Taylor
    Janmaat, Haidara
    Anita, Sissoko/Winaldum
    Aarons, Thuavin
    Perez

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  • BandB

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #16

    The problem seems to be that there has been so little confidence by the last three managers in the defence coping with any kind of break, that they are unwilling to attack in numbers until late in the game.
    On Monday, Sissoko and Janmaat faced exactly the same problem Ben Arfa always faced. Go the byline, and there is rarely anyone to hit, and there is no overlap to give another option.
    So they either slow down play to wait for reinforcements to arrive, or cut inside only to find that any players not static in a marked position are behind them.
    So they look for a shot, and get murdered for being selfish when the counter attack starts. By which time, we have drifted forward and are standing like statues on the wrong side of our man.

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  • cyprus

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:46 AM

    Comment #17

    Maybe it’s a matter of when to bomb forward. I mean WH played entirely that way,and even scored one from a counter.

    We still need to get our tactics right. For instance, in corners, if two can’t handle fast forwards, leave three behind, one of whom someone who can actually run.

    I also think we need to be patient with this Steve. He’ll need time and the next two windows in order to bring in even more quality and get rid of the usual culprits.

    I repeat. If this team, having spent this much, is really still crap, then the finger must be pointed squarely at the one we trust.

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  • cyprus

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:47 AM

    Comment #18

    Good point B!

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  • BandB

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #19

    We need to work on our attacking movement, and find a player who can not only lose his defender, but play a productive ball from the space they’ve made.

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  • BandB

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #20

    Thanks Cyprus..
    .It does in the end come down not so much to formations as the ability of players to pull a defence out of shape with passing, movement, and a bit of close control, as you have been pointing out for a while.

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  • davetoon

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #21

    So true. Feels like the players are scared to go past the half way line. Its usually either Gini or Sisoko bursting forward trying to pick out Cisse who is being marked by 4 defenders

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  • Mick

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #22

    BandB,
    that’s the difference between a good manager and an average manager, what you describe does seem to be what’s happening, but instead of trying to compensate for our weakness as we seem to have done for an eternity we should adopt a good managers attitude and try to maximise our strength’s, Gini, Perez, Mitrovic, Aarons, Thauvin, De Jong are all good players who could be very dangerous but we are sacrificing them to cover for a weak defence.

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  • Blackley and Brownlie

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #23

    Ibiza
    Even coaches of kids’ teams organise trials so that they can choose the players they like. It’s not uncommon for a coach not to take on a decent player, simply because the coach has other ideas about how he wants to play.

    Makro might have more of an input under this new set up than Pardew, especially given hiscrelationship with Carr, but Carr still has a large powerbase.

    For years our squads have looked like an odd assortment and our coaches have struggled to get them to gel. Is it any wonder?

    Or is it the case that Mike has identified the ideal set up?

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  • cyprus

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #24

    I heard Steve shout for movement as we attacked, last game. That’s good. Too static, too often. As everyone knows, the really clever players do more without the ball.

    So that, when they do get it, it’s all much easier 😉

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  • Ibizatoon

    Sep 17, 2015 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #25

    Mick…Certainly worth a try. Not sure he’s past it, or what the problem has been. Perhaps just needs a run of games, not unreasonable.

    Isnt Taylor out injured again?

    Blackley…I don’t really disagree with that. I also have the same quesitons as you. Who is setting the search criteria? You seem to believe it’s as simple as Carr going, oh I like him or that it’s all his vision. Not sure what that is based on, or even, why it’s his fault that a ‘scout’ has been given that position in the first place.

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  • BandB

    Sep 17, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #26

    Mick,

    I said before the season started that De Jong would not be an automatic starter.
    This is because I thought McClaren would want to play outlet balls from defence down the flanks, with support arriving from deep. It’s hard to see where DeJong fits into that.
    So perhaps we should find a way to fit him in? And Perez, who can make space, but let’s himself down with him final pass too often.
    But I think McClaren has his team and formation in mind and will wait for it to “gel.”

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  • Munster Mag

    Sep 17, 2015 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #27

    Ibiza, am i missing something? When do we ever “bomb forward” ?

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  • Graeme

    Sep 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #28

    Do you think its possible that Stevie Mac has been Pardewed???

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  • Ibizatoon

    Sep 17, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    Comment #29

    Blackley…We always reach the same conclusion, what is Carr being asked to do?

    He’s been given a long contract and is still here, isn’t it safe to presume his boss is happy with his work, more or less?

    For all we know, his remit could be as simple as buy young and cheap with potential to sell on. Nothing more, nothing less. The first part of that has clearly been stated by the club.

    Who knows, if this summers buys don’t work out, he may get his marching orders.

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  • Munster Mag

    Sep 17, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    Comment #30

    We shuffle sideways and keep 60% of the ball. As I said yesterday, we really cant say we have bad any good performances except Man U away. I dont believe for one minute that if teams like Leicester ( ffs ) , Everton , West Ham, Stoke etc went a goal down to arsenal, that they wudnt have mustered one ( one!! ) shot on target. Maybe McClaren is exactly what my Forest supporting pal and others said – extremely cautious. Oh dear…

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  • cyprus

    Sep 17, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    Comment #31

    I kind of agree Ibiza, you do put it more correctly, actually, as I too fall into it and am looking for a single individual to blame.

    Whereas, surely, Carr talks with coaches, mgmt, etc, or else he’d be coaching the team himself. It’s probably collective blame, though he (and Mike, but is he involved with day to day? Doubt it) is the common denominator. Others have gone, he’s there.

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  • Ibizatoon

    Sep 17, 2015 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #32

    Munster…Bad phrase perhaps 🙂

    I’ll quote Janmaat instead.

    “When we were trying to get men forward” we leave ourselves open, so we can’t do that, but we do also need to score. How do the other teams manage it?

    It’s a puzzler.

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  • BandB

    Sep 17, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #33

    As Mick said earlier, we have in Perez, DeJong and Wijnaldum three players with good close control and an obvious football brain.
    That’s as many as most teams have.
    At present they are all being used in ways that make them peripheral. There may not be 90 minutes in Perez and DeJong yet, but there have to be more than 20, surely?

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  • Mick

    Sep 17, 2015 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #34

    BandB
    question is, will it gel, I can’t see how it can not with Anita and Colback being so similar and not really the best either, two CM can and does work, it did for us when we had Cabaye and Tiote together, between them they were strong protecting the defence and through Cabaye we had an outlet a means to get forward, with the current two we have nothing, defensivly they are weak and offer nothing going forward, people say we have no alternatives, I feel that we have, Gini is a box to box midfielder who can defend, drop him deeper which would allow De Jong to grab the number 10 role, or play Sissoko as a DM, not as cultured as Cabaye or Gini but his rums from deep could give us an outlet, I don’t think it’s the system at fault, I think it’s the wrong players, at the end of the day it is players and not systems which win games, and my view is that we are playing the wrong players.

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  • Ibizatoon

    Sep 17, 2015 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #35

    Cyprus…Well, we can’t have it both ways. Was Pardew and his team useless? Was it Kinnear, Wise or Llambias? Ashley?

    The only person I think has been anywhere near competent, it’s Carr. Yes, there have been some duds, there always are.

    It all comes down to who is actually saying what and who makes the final decision and what is the deciding factor is that.

    The club have come out and said clearly that previously decisions were made with financial thinking. I really do doubt that’s Carrs position within the club. If it is, I still think we need to look higher to find the culprit. Who’d put a scout in that position?

    Not trying to give Carr an out. Of course we should question his ability. It just seems we love to focus on easy targets, when in my opinion, the problems start elssewhere, always have and always will.

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  • cyprus

    Sep 17, 2015 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #36

    In the last two summer windows we spent 83 mil. on players, FFS. Surely, that kind of money should translate into a half decent team, even if I were coaching. Like big Sam said, it’s easy for the Mourinhos of this world!

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  • barkel

    Sep 17, 2015 at 11:15 AM

    Comment #37

    We did get the full backs going forward a fair bit and Anita firstly dropping back to cover, Colback covered when Anita went off. The problem for me was that the crossing was terrible!

    I think that we try to play to defend against other teams tactics and we never try to play to our own strengths. We have too many attack minded players that are always dropping back to defend

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  • Blackley and Brownlie

    Sep 17, 2015 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #38

    Ibiza
    I’m not blaming Carr personally for trying to fulfill his brief. I’m blaming Mike’s model, which appears to me to be flawed.

    We buy Mitrovic. Okay, the lad might be a great player at a bargain price but is he the signing we need for this season or next or ever?

    Who identified Robert Lee, Barry Venison, John Berisford, Andy Cole, Scott Sellars, Gavin Peacock, Killer etc for NUFC? Or Frank Lark, Kenny Burns, Gary Birtles, John Robertson, John McGovern, Archie Gemmil, Roy Keane, Trevor Francis at Forest? I don’t know, but I bet the manager at the time simply said, “If you do nothing else, get me that player”. Why? Because the manager has the vision. He is the one charged with fashioning a team. He has to believe in the player and the player has to feel he has 100% belief in them. Our teams in recent years never show consistent heart and soul. Unlike other teams from smaller vlubs whose squads have cost next to nothing to put together in comparison.

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  • Blackley and Brownlie

    Sep 17, 2015 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #39

    Frank Clark

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  • Ibizatoon

    Sep 17, 2015 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #40

    Cyprus…And it took us 4 seasons to have spent that amount previously.

    You’d also have to look at spends of other clubs for a fair assessment.

    Also, amount of money clearly doesn’t equate to success, but it should make it easier.

    I’m sorry, but when we see performances like we do, from players who do play better in their previous teams or internationally, surely we have to question the clubs set up, in particular coaching and tactics?

    When Pardew first arrived, we heard lots about things the club were doing to make players feel part of the family. It worked well, morale was good and the players fought for the club and each other.

    Since then, it would appear that players aren’t treated that well at all. I think the atmosphere around there is pretty toxic and that will surely be playing a big part of it.

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