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It’s A Big Game Against Watford Now

9:12 am, Thursday, September 17th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 130 Comments

Daryl Janmaat easily won our Man of the Match poll for his performance in London on Monday night against West Ham. and he picked up 38% of the vote, beating out substitute Ayoze Perez with 27% and Chancel Mbemba with 15%.

Daryl has been interviewed today and the Dutchman says that performance was nowhere near good enough – and he’s right there.

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Daryl Janmaat tackles Victor Moses on Monday night

One of the main problems is that we cannot seem to score goals, and it’s now over 400 minutes since we last scored a league goal – that was the goal in the second half against Southampton by Gini Wijnaldum.

We still have to win our first game of the season and we didn’t do that last year until the right game – but hopefully we can get all 3 points on Saturday at home to Watford.

We are currently propping up the Premier League which is embarrassing.

This is what the 26 year-old right back had to say:

“It was a really disappointing night, but we have to forget it as quickly as we can now.”  “It’s all about looking forward to the next game now, and we know we have to put a lot of things right.”

“It’s hard to take any positives out of what happened.” “In some of the earlier games, it felt as though we were making progress, but that was a night when it was hard to be positive about anything.”

“Maybe we were on top for small parts of the game, but it was nowhere near good enough.”

“We need to get the balance right. There were times when we were trying to get men forward, but that left us open at the back and that cannot happen.”

“We didn’t create that many chances, and that definitely has to improve.”  “I try to get forward when I can, but collectively we have to offer a much bigger goalscoring threat.”

“I try to join in, but I am a defender and that has to be my main job. “It is not just about the attackers when it comes to scoring goals.”

“But as a team, we have to find a way of posing more of a threat. We have to score more.” “It’s a big game against Watford now.”

“It’s important that we get that first win under the belt and Saturday is the next opportunity to do that. We have to win otherwise the pressure will only continue to increase.”

Newly promoted Watford doubled their points total to 6 last weekend, with a good 1-0 home win against Swansea, and are in 13th place.

We should see some changes made to the starting eleven on Saturday, and we expect Siem de Jong, Ayoze Perez and Rolando Aarons all to start against Watford,  at the expense of Vurnon Anita, Papiss Cisse and Florian Thauvin.

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130 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 9:19 AM

    When we bomb forward we leave ourselves open, so we can’t do that, but we do also need to score. How do the other teams manage it?

    It’s a puzzler.

    Good morning blog!

  • 2 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 9:55 AM

    Easy everyone, I can’t keep up with the pace of this thread.

  • 3 Mick // Sep 17, 2015 at 9:56 AM

    We are playing too deep due to Anita and Colback being forced back, drop the pair of them and have Tiote alone with Gini and Sissoko ahead of him with Arrons and Thauvin out wide leaving Perez as the lone striker.

  • 4 Blofal // Sep 17, 2015 at 9:57 AM

    Ibiza I think you’re right.

    Too often we do bomb forward and leave ourselves exposed. Maybe a legacy of trying to live up to reputations of the past?

  • 5 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:07 AM

    Blofal….Not sure that’s the case, they just need some dicipline and instruction.

    It’s normal for certain players to bomb forward, it’s what the rest of the team do then that’s the issue.

    Systems and tactics. If McClarens answer is to be more defensive I cannot be held responsible for my actions.

    Mick…Old Tiote, I’d agree. From what we’ve seen of him, I’d be really nervous with him starting and expected to do his job of old. Whether it’s ability or his head is elsewhere I don’t know, but he just doesn’t seem himself these days.

  • 6 beermonkey // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    Ibiza

    how are u

    problem the other night was no overlapping runners and no options we got to the final 3rd and stood still we are so static we had pretty good possession but because we were so static all we did was move it sideways and backwards
    cisse needs dropping

  • 7 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:15 AM

    beermonkey…Doing well thanks, how about you?

    You’re not wrong. People advanced, but had no clue where to be, or go, or what to do. Attacks just fizzle out and leave too many players out of position.

    I know we’re only 5 game sin to the season and the pre-season was poorly arranged, but I’m really not seeing many signs of improvement in this regard and it’s setting early alarm bells off.

    I can only hope that McClaren sees the Watford game as a chance to try something new.

  • 8 Mick // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    Ibiza

    Many believe that Tiote is past it, he may be but if he isn’t then he is what we need, for me it is worth the gamble as we have nothing to lose because the current pairing just aren’t good enough, another option would be too bring Taylor back in as he does play well with Colo and then move Mbemba into the midfield, he is quick, strong and he does tend to try to move the ball out of defence quickly, he could be a really good DM, whatever we do we need to do it sooner rather than later as we are really poor at present.

  • 9 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    Ibiza
    When we have made signings under Graham Carr, who is the person fashioning the team? Who’s vision is it that the new signings are intended to realise? Who is thinking this player’s game will suit that player’s? Those three players will work well together on that flank? We need this player as a counter balance for that player? We need a leader? A pacy player here and a ball winner there? We want to play this type of a game and these players will be ideal.

    It seems to me that Carr has a list of Europe’s top players. The same players will be on all other scouts lists. He checks them out himself. If he likes them, and feels he can get them at a good price, he hands over to Charnley. Charnley does his best. They get the players and say to the coach, “there you go, see what you can do with this lot”. No more thought than that.

  • 10 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Mick & Blackley…Back to you shorltly. Don’t worry, not working on an epic post, just doing some work.

  • 11 Mick // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:32 AM

    Not an epic, that’s a shame as it’s very quiet and I could do with a good read.

  • 12 beermonkey // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:33 AM

    Ibiza
    not to bad thanks

    pre season must have been approved by carver
    knowing we were going to have a new manager I would have the squad to return a bit earlier I know it was a short break this time round but it would have helped a weeks training somewhere nice where players could have taken there families might have helped

    overall I can see were going to be tougher to beat and we keeping the ball better I think a change in personnel bringing in perez and dejong should help us keep the ball better and both have an eye for goal and a pass so it should help us to unlock the opposition

    its been a tough start though

  • 13 Jail for Ashley // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:34 AM

    Mick,
    Imo Tiote is resentful, signed on very low wages and then given a long, improved deal on the promise that he would move to a bigger club, Chelsea came in and we gambled with the lads future and held out for more money, that was probably the last chance he’ll get at a CL club coming in for him. Not sure if he had a buy out clause, knowing the way the club operate he was probably told to trust them.

  • 14 Mick // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:39 AM

    Jail,
    you may be right and if so then we cannot really blame him, however I would hope that he would adopt the never say never approach and then knuckle down and show just how good he is, that transfer may still come for him but he must earn it as Cabaye did, he was gutted at the collapse of the alleged Arsenal transfer but he knuckled down and probably played the best football of his career before moving to PSG, Tiote will hopefully do the same.

  • 15 NezzaNUFC // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:42 AM

    Funny thing is when we played against Southampton we had a high D line and managed to score 2 goals but also conceded 2 goals, the rest of the teams we played against we played deep and look how that turned out.

    Plus many teams now how to get around a 4231 style formation which we constantly use and never works.

    My take on this would be to use 3 CB and have our fullbacks act as wingers in a 32221 style

    Krull
    Chancel, Collo, Taylor
    Janmaat, Haidara
    Anita, Sissoko/Winaldum
    Aarons, Thuavin
    Perez

  • 16 BandB // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:43 AM

    The problem seems to be that there has been so little confidence by the last three managers in the defence coping with any kind of break, that they are unwilling to attack in numbers until late in the game.
    On Monday, Sissoko and Janmaat faced exactly the same problem Ben Arfa always faced. Go the byline, and there is rarely anyone to hit, and there is no overlap to give another option.
    So they either slow down play to wait for reinforcements to arrive, or cut inside only to find that any players not static in a marked position are behind them.
    So they look for a shot, and get murdered for being selfish when the counter attack starts. By which time, we have drifted forward and are standing like statues on the wrong side of our man.

  • 17 cyprus // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:46 AM

    Maybe it’s a matter of when to bomb forward. I mean WH played entirely that way,and even scored one from a counter.

    We still need to get our tactics right. For instance, in corners, if two can’t handle fast forwards, leave three behind, one of whom someone who can actually run.

    I also think we need to be patient with this Steve. He’ll need time and the next two windows in order to bring in even more quality and get rid of the usual culprits.

    I repeat. If this team, having spent this much, is really still crap, then the finger must be pointed squarely at the one we trust.

  • 18 cyprus // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:47 AM

    Good point B!

  • 19 BandB // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:49 AM

    We need to work on our attacking movement, and find a player who can not only lose his defender, but play a productive ball from the space they’ve made.

  • 20 BandB // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:52 AM

    Thanks Cyprus..
    .It does in the end come down not so much to formations as the ability of players to pull a defence out of shape with passing, movement, and a bit of close control, as you have been pointing out for a while.

  • 21 davetoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:53 AM

    So true. Feels like the players are scared to go past the half way line. Its usually either Gini or Sisoko bursting forward trying to pick out Cisse who is being marked by 4 defenders

  • 22 Mick // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:53 AM

    BandB,
    that’s the difference between a good manager and an average manager, what you describe does seem to be what’s happening, but instead of trying to compensate for our weakness as we seem to have done for an eternity we should adopt a good managers attitude and try to maximise our strength’s, Gini, Perez, Mitrovic, Aarons, Thauvin, De Jong are all good players who could be very dangerous but we are sacrificing them to cover for a weak defence.

  • 23 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:54 AM

    Ibiza
    Even coaches of kids’ teams organise trials so that they can choose the players they like. It’s not uncommon for a coach not to take on a decent player, simply because the coach has other ideas about how he wants to play.

    Makro might have more of an input under this new set up than Pardew, especially given hiscrelationship with Carr, but Carr still has a large powerbase.

    For years our squads have looked like an odd assortment and our coaches have struggled to get them to gel. Is it any wonder?

    Or is it the case that Mike has identified the ideal set up?

  • 24 cyprus // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:55 AM

    I heard Steve shout for movement as we attacked, last game. That’s good. Too static, too often. As everyone knows, the really clever players do more without the ball.

    So that, when they do get it, it’s all much easier 😉

  • 25 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 10:58 AM

    Mick…Certainly worth a try. Not sure he’s past it, or what the problem has been. Perhaps just needs a run of games, not unreasonable.

    Isnt Taylor out injured again?

    Blackley…I don’t really disagree with that. I also have the same quesitons as you. Who is setting the search criteria? You seem to believe it’s as simple as Carr going, oh I like him or that it’s all his vision. Not sure what that is based on, or even, why it’s his fault that a ‘scout’ has been given that position in the first place.

  • 26 BandB // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    Mick,

    I said before the season started that De Jong would not be an automatic starter.
    This is because I thought McClaren would want to play outlet balls from defence down the flanks, with support arriving from deep. It’s hard to see where DeJong fits into that.
    So perhaps we should find a way to fit him in? And Perez, who can make space, but let’s himself down with him final pass too often.
    But I think McClaren has his team and formation in mind and will wait for it to “gel.”

  • 27 Munster Mag // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:04 AM

    Ibiza, am i missing something? When do we ever “bomb forward” ?

  • 28 Graeme // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM

    Do you think its possible that Stevie Mac has been Pardewed???

  • 29 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    Blackley…We always reach the same conclusion, what is Carr being asked to do?

    He’s been given a long contract and is still here, isn’t it safe to presume his boss is happy with his work, more or less?

    For all we know, his remit could be as simple as buy young and cheap with potential to sell on. Nothing more, nothing less. The first part of that has clearly been stated by the club.

    Who knows, if this summers buys don’t work out, he may get his marching orders.

  • 30 Munster Mag // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    We shuffle sideways and keep 60% of the ball. As I said yesterday, we really cant say we have bad any good performances except Man U away. I dont believe for one minute that if teams like Leicester ( ffs ) , Everton , West Ham, Stoke etc went a goal down to arsenal, that they wudnt have mustered one ( one!! ) shot on target. Maybe McClaren is exactly what my Forest supporting pal and others said – extremely cautious. Oh dear…

  • 31 cyprus // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    I kind of agree Ibiza, you do put it more correctly, actually, as I too fall into it and am looking for a single individual to blame.

    Whereas, surely, Carr talks with coaches, mgmt, etc, or else he’d be coaching the team himself. It’s probably collective blame, though he (and Mike, but is he involved with day to day? Doubt it) is the common denominator. Others have gone, he’s there.

  • 32 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:09 AM

    Munster…Bad phrase perhaps 🙂

    I’ll quote Janmaat instead.

    “When we were trying to get men forward” we leave ourselves open, so we can’t do that, but we do also need to score. How do the other teams manage it?

    It’s a puzzler.

  • 33 BandB // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    As Mick said earlier, we have in Perez, DeJong and Wijnaldum three players with good close control and an obvious football brain.
    That’s as many as most teams have.
    At present they are all being used in ways that make them peripheral. There may not be 90 minutes in Perez and DeJong yet, but there have to be more than 20, surely?

  • 34 Mick // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:13 AM

    BandB
    question is, will it gel, I can’t see how it can not with Anita and Colback being so similar and not really the best either, two CM can and does work, it did for us when we had Cabaye and Tiote together, between them they were strong protecting the defence and through Cabaye we had an outlet a means to get forward, with the current two we have nothing, defensivly they are weak and offer nothing going forward, people say we have no alternatives, I feel that we have, Gini is a box to box midfielder who can defend, drop him deeper which would allow De Jong to grab the number 10 role, or play Sissoko as a DM, not as cultured as Cabaye or Gini but his rums from deep could give us an outlet, I don’t think it’s the system at fault, I think it’s the wrong players, at the end of the day it is players and not systems which win games, and my view is that we are playing the wrong players.

  • 35 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:13 AM

    Cyprus…Well, we can’t have it both ways. Was Pardew and his team useless? Was it Kinnear, Wise or Llambias? Ashley?

    The only person I think has been anywhere near competent, it’s Carr. Yes, there have been some duds, there always are.

    It all comes down to who is actually saying what and who makes the final decision and what is the deciding factor is that.

    The club have come out and said clearly that previously decisions were made with financial thinking. I really do doubt that’s Carrs position within the club. If it is, I still think we need to look higher to find the culprit. Who’d put a scout in that position?

    Not trying to give Carr an out. Of course we should question his ability. It just seems we love to focus on easy targets, when in my opinion, the problems start elssewhere, always have and always will.

  • 36 cyprus // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:13 AM

    In the last two summer windows we spent 83 mil. on players, FFS. Surely, that kind of money should translate into a half decent team, even if I were coaching. Like big Sam said, it’s easy for the Mourinhos of this world!

  • 37 barkel // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:15 AM

    We did get the full backs going forward a fair bit and Anita firstly dropping back to cover, Colback covered when Anita went off. The problem for me was that the crossing was terrible!

    I think that we try to play to defend against other teams tactics and we never try to play to our own strengths. We have too many attack minded players that are always dropping back to defend

  • 38 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:16 AM

    Ibiza
    I’m not blaming Carr personally for trying to fulfill his brief. I’m blaming Mike’s model, which appears to me to be flawed.

    We buy Mitrovic. Okay, the lad might be a great player at a bargain price but is he the signing we need for this season or next or ever?

    Who identified Robert Lee, Barry Venison, John Berisford, Andy Cole, Scott Sellars, Gavin Peacock, Killer etc for NUFC? Or Frank Lark, Kenny Burns, Gary Birtles, John Robertson, John McGovern, Archie Gemmil, Roy Keane, Trevor Francis at Forest? I don’t know, but I bet the manager at the time simply said, “If you do nothing else, get me that player”. Why? Because the manager has the vision. He is the one charged with fashioning a team. He has to believe in the player and the player has to feel he has 100% belief in them. Our teams in recent years never show consistent heart and soul. Unlike other teams from smaller vlubs whose squads have cost next to nothing to put together in comparison.

  • 39 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:17 AM

    Frank Clark

  • 40 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:21 AM

    Cyprus…And it took us 4 seasons to have spent that amount previously.

    You’d also have to look at spends of other clubs for a fair assessment.

    Also, amount of money clearly doesn’t equate to success, but it should make it easier.

    I’m sorry, but when we see performances like we do, from players who do play better in their previous teams or internationally, surely we have to question the clubs set up, in particular coaching and tactics?

    When Pardew first arrived, we heard lots about things the club were doing to make players feel part of the family. It worked well, morale was good and the players fought for the club and each other.

    Since then, it would appear that players aren’t treated that well at all. I think the atmosphere around there is pretty toxic and that will surely be playing a big part of it.

  • 41 bettyswallocks // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:21 AM

    We can’t expect to put together a fast attacking move with two DM’s constantly slowing it down or playing it square. We need Gini in midfield and De Jong further forward and more players thinking forward. One DM is enough at home surely.

  • 42 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:22 AM

    We buy players from abroad who aren’t hungry enough. Hunger is a vital component that Graham Carr appears to be blind to. Our smaller rivals harness it to great effect. But you’ve got to be a top scout with a top scouting network to seek out the budding talent with hunger.

  • 43 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:26 AM

    Blackley…Really? You’ve fooled me, quite honestly.

    I still think you’re assuming what his role / power is at the club, but no arguement, the model is indeed flawed.

    I think most people see that. It’s what we do about it, other than comment on it and sit and wait.

  • 44 BandB // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:26 AM

    Mick,

    Too much time will tell.

  • 45 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:30 AM

    Ibiza
    Toxic atmosphere? Makro gives the impression it’s all wonderful under his new team of Simpson, Costco and Black.

  • 46 Jail for Ashley // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:33 AM

    Blackley,
    I’m not sure about players hunger but we are buying players on the promise that they will get plenty of game time and a move to a bigger club. This cannot instil any loyalty or pride for the club. Sissoko is a prime example of this, he should be it with a massive fine every time he talks of his dream move.

  • 47 bettyswallocks // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:35 AM

    Jib…… I think Mc has some input on transfers. Apparently he was influential in signing Gini and insisted that we just paid the money. He deserves some time to decide who else we need, but we don’t really have it and this squad is not good enough.

  • 48 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:35 AM

    Blackley…Makro also gives the impression we’re trying to play attacking football.

    It may well be imporving, but I imagine the last couple of years have built up quite some bad feeling. Take Jonas as an example, good friends with Colo (apparently), I don’t believe he was treated too well from what he has said, do we not think that will impact on how the players feel about the club?

    It hadn’t really crossed my mind, but there were things the club used to do. Maybe silly, but it seemed to work. Things like Ba and his strawberry syrup. I recall themed meals connected with the players homelands etc.

    Team building stuff. Rather than the business is king thing that seemed to take over all.

    Just an idea.

  • 49 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:38 AM

    improving*

  • 50 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:39 AM

    Ibiza
    Old Mr Carr has been in charge of transfers from the footballing side. That is he has the footballing input. Charnley is the deal negotiater and overseer. If Carr says to Charnley, don’t buy that player, buy this player, how can Charnley argue without any football knowledge or qualifications? Carr has the power to put a dpanner in any deal if he thinks it’s not right for the club. With the budget he had, he could have said, “Don’t buy Thauvin, buy Austin”. How can Charnley say, “No. I’m buying Thauvin.” He needs Carr’s full blessing to buy any player. It works the same in any industry.

  • 51 Munster Mag // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:40 AM

    But Ibiza, why are we defending Carr? Ok , I appreciate that its Ashleys model, but I think its naive ( and i am not saying u are naive) to think that his brief is just to spot young talent. Either way, our “super scout” is not really doing a good job, and the inferences and statements from local and national media is that Carr is the lynchpin in the club. many journos know far more than we do , and this is what they say. So if Carr is only a talent spotter, then he isnt doing very well. If he is a quasi director of football who vetoed Pardews requests for players and brought in these amazing geniuses that populate our squad ( closen mainly by himself – this is clear – the managers only have an input – pardew probably had sod all input ) ….the clearly he is doing a very average ( at best ) job as a quasi DOF too. He may be controlled by budgets – but what scout or DOF isnt? I do believe , like Bobbybee, that we have moved a bit this summer, and will spend more, but is he a success? I dont really think so. If SMC has us in the bottom 7 all year, then Carr has to go, along with SMC , in my opinion, because he was the one who wanted him here, and probably a dozen other men were not pursued with any vigour. But you will see that Charnley will get the boot , but in reality, as people are now beginning to see, carr is the favourite child. Hence Ash bringing him to his holiday villa for a huge contract and pay rise. Its time Carr came under serious scrutiny. I hope that I am proved wrong, but I rarely am on NUFC matters ! 🙂

  • 52 Munster Mag // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    Correct Blackley …

  • 53 Macas // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    I’m still baffled by the decision to release Gutierrez. After he came back into the team last season he was easily our best player, and judging from performances this season he would still be better than the majority currently playing. More dominant in midfield than both Colback and Anita he also possessed a bit of guile and the ability to ghost past players. To top it all off he had more heart and desire to win than any of the current rabble. Very strange decision, especially since the club talked about having players with Premier League experience before signing players who don’t have any.

  • 54 Ron Knee // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    Munster
    But isn’t Carr simply complying with the Ashley business plan?

  • 55 bettyswallocks // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    Blackley… Sorry my last post was meant for you not Jib. I hope this hasn’t caused any offence. Genuine mistake.

  • 56 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:44 AM

    Ibiza
    You won’t have all the players happy all over of the time. Even the best teams have changing room bust ups. But you’re right to mention the themed days and all of Pardew’s other efforts. The players didn’t have any major problems as far as I can recall. But this is a new set up. A complete change of front line personnel. There’s no signs of player unrest this season as far as I’m aware.

  • 57 Jail for Ashley // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:47 AM

    Munster,
    I bet most fans don’t even know the names of their clubs chief scout !

  • 58 Mick // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:49 AM

    The final say on transfer’s should be McClaren’s and not Carr nor Charnley’s, as it should have been Pardew’s when he was here, I doubt that Pardew had much say at all and they did fall out due to Pardew not being overly impressed with some of the players who were bought in for him, the final say imho was Carr’s, now would he be prepared to step aside and allow the final say to be the manager’s, we don’t know but if that hasn’t happened then we will continue to struggle with a mix/match squad

  • 59 Munster Mag // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:49 AM

    Jail i totally agree re Sissoko. As I have said before i was calling him a fraud two years ago for his lack of effort and champions league dreaming. Have no time for him. Look at Perez by comparison – what a fine player and attitude. Again though, it goes back to Carr to find guys with the right attitude. Many players will not stay at a club for years so i can forgive them wanting to move on if they do well , but guys like HBA and Sissoko had crap attitudes.

  • 60 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:49 AM

    Betty
    I wouldn’t argue with that. You would think that Bobby Moncur would have an input given his credentials but chocolate tea pot comes to mind. That said, people unjustifiably ridicule chocolate tea pots. But they’re actually very handy anywhere. You never know when you might feel peckish.

  • 61 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:50 AM

    Blackley…But what if Carr has said, go get Thauvin and Austin, we need both.

    Is it Carr or Charnley who refused to pay the alleged extra £2m to get him? Maybe it’s Carr who said, nah, wait, he’ll likely be cheaper in January with 6 months on his contract.

    That’s my point, we all have to assume what happens. What we do know is we’re linked with some decent players who could do a job for us, but it doesn’t materialise.

    Munster…Again, no one is still calling him a super scout. Nor am I trying to absolve him, just offer some balance as the mood of some seems to be swinging towards him being a crap scout and really the man at the bottom of our woes.

    If he does have that much power, then the club needs to act.

    Wasn’t aware of his visit to Mikes villa. I’m guessing that relevant as no one else connected with the club has? 🙂

    The club, with their new and improved communication, could make this all a lot easier for us by clarifying his position. Is he also the DOF? Not a hard question and would clear up so much.

    I doubt that will happen. Cloudy waters give them plenty of wriggle room.

  • 62 SPRINGY // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:54 AM

    morning all
    i think a tiote at his best could do a great job for us….whether he can get back to that or wants too has yet to be seen…need to try something he may fail miserably but if it was tried i would’nt complain coz it was tried same as tryin gini and sissoko as cm…try them….i’d rather they experiment and fail then keep the same shape,same players and fail…..i think de- jong should be starting we need intelligence as well as pace on the pitch

  • 63 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:55 AM

    Blackley…I didn’t mention player unrest, but a toxic atmosphere. Perhaps a bit pedantic.

    Mainly, I wonder what message the club are sending out to the players. I know the message I get from them and it wouldn’t make me want to bust a nut for them, even if that was my job.

    I mentioned Keegan and Robson yesterday. Sure they had decent budgets and were present at a time when the league was easier to make your mark, but a huge part of their success, imo, was the spirit and togetherness they created amongst the club and fans.

    We’re an emotional bunch, as can be seen on here. Why not capture that, rather than systematically pull it apart, which is what has been happening for far too long.

  • 64 Jail for Ashley // Sep 17, 2015 at 11:58 AM

    Munster,
    Which goes to show that whichever lying MD at the time said we fully research a players attitude was talking guff (again) we are prepared to take any player prepared to go on strike, run his contract down or trigger an overlooked get out cluase as long as they’re cheap.

  • 65 Munster Mag // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:00 PM

    Ron, if Carr is complying with the business plan of buying cheap and selling high, he hasnt done a great job at that either. How many gems have been found? Some say Perez was a Pardew pick, although that seems unlikely. So Carr did well with er ….Tiote, Perez, maybe Cabaye ( but was in the french team so not unknown ) …but why did Carr not go with what Pardew wanted and source a centre half – even a cheapish one? Besides that he loves his Frenchies who just dont seem to have the pace and power needed…in fact Sissoko was the only one with that, and managers dont even know where to play him ( which is understandable to a point ) . Amalfitano, Gouffy, Mbiwa, Santon ( crap defender ) , Marvellous Marveaux, HBA ( largely crap everywhere even if he thinks of Barcelona etc ) , Abeid, Anita ( I like him, but England may not be for him ) . Its early to judge Thauvin, but he doesnt seem to have straight line pace I strongly feel that this man needs to come under scrutiny, but he wont because of Ashley. In Carrs defence, he got us a big striker and a centre half this season, and i think Wini is a super player – although we have to give serious credit to the MD for getting him and Mitro the nutter in. So you cant say I am all anti Carr !

  • 66 bettyswallocks // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:00 PM

    IT does appear that the transfer policy is becoming more flexible and I would hope that as Mc and co. Identify what we need to improve then he will be given more say on transfers.
    The problem is the longer we go without a win the confidence will drop and the fan pressure will mount.

    We can only now take solace from the fact that we will hopefully carry on spending to try and build a squad that might one dat be able to compete.

  • 67 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:03 PM

    Ibiza

    If Carr said, “We’ve got a £50m budget and a brief to bolt the horse to the cart. Go get Thauvin and Austin”, why wouldn’t Charnley do it? If Carr said, “Wait for Austin”, that’s Carr’s call, albeit a bad one IMO.

    The man charged with standing in the coach’s box in front of 50,000 on a match day and then facing the world’s media afterwards should be the one who makes those big footballing calls.

    We’re linked with hundreds if not thousands of players all of the time. You can take nothing from that.

  • 68 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:07 PM

    Munster…I did a little exercise the other day, sadly, which listed all players purchased since Carrs arrival. Of those players, the ones we have sold have made an overal profit in excess of £40m. That was based on a total orignial spend of £97m on all players (not just the ones sold).

    Plus we still have, it would appear, 18 of his purchases of that list (up until this summer, as we obviously couldn’t have sold any of them) in our squad.

    Financially speaking, he’s done well and we’ve managed to stay in the PL.

    Again, what is it he’s being asked to do and who makes the final calls?

  • 69 Mick // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:07 PM

    Munster

    we can’t give Carr credit for Tiote either as Tiote was recommended to KK by Chris Hughton, before Carr joined us, KK didn’t take up that recommendation but as soon as we got promoted Hughton made sure that Tiote was signed.

  • 70 Jail for Ashley // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:09 PM

    Munster,
    Do you recognise that there are plenty of players that we have also been heavily linked with that have gone to smaller clubs and been successfull.

  • 71 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:10 PM

    Even if we get Austin in January or next season, how much will we save? He’ll command more personally, even if his club won’t. And it impacts on a whole season. I’m getting on a bit. I haven’t got too many seasons left to enjoy. Thauvin or Austin? Similar outlay. Carr says Thauvin. He must have done. It’s his call to give the footballing input. Charnley can’t make that choice. As fans we can make that call on a blog. But we’re not charged with the task and justifying our decisions to the boss.

  • 72 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:11 PM

    Blackley..We agree, the manager who is supposed to pull it all together with his vision should have a big say. If the board can’t trust the manager with that, then he shouldn’t have been employed.

    But that isn’t what we’re discussing, well it’s not what I’ve been discussing anyway.

    Too many if’s and butt’s as usual.

  • 73 Munster Mag // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:12 PM

    Ibiza, I am not all anti Carr, but he is a massive common denominator here. Ashley may want sell on value and cheap buys, but Carr is providing the files and profiles on the players. He is after all the great kingpin and scout maestro according to the Chronicle. He is without doubt the de facto DOF. This is clearly seen in the type of players he provided Pardew. Carr likes tidy neat ball players. So Pardew gets Marveaux and Mbiwa and Co. I dont give a shit about that – he needs to provide managers with options, within a budget, of the type of players the manager wants . It is the manager who decides ( or it should be the mgr ) how we play, not him, But Carr gets the horn for certain players ( Cabella ) and i’m afraid that is what you are getting if u are the mgr. Thus, SMC has seen the plans for the next two windows, and has said so publicly – and the players in the purchse pipeline have been put in the pipeline by Carr . He is the man, like it or not. I dont have a huge issue with this provided:

    1. He chooses players that will suit what the manager wants
    2. He will choose good players who suit english football

    And he doesnt do this consistently. The good thing now though, is that he seems to share the same viewpoint as SMC which might help us in the future. But to me , Carr is too important in NUFC not to come under serious scrutiny and to my mind he is our DOF.

  • 74 Ron Knee // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:13 PM

    Munster
    I don’t pretend to understand the relationship between Carr, Charmless and Ashley, and perhaps it has shifted over the years. The aim is to keep the wage bill down, which limits Carr’s first choices and explains why we’ve bought so many duds.

  • 75 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:15 PM

    Blackley…How or why must that have been Carrs call though? Based on what?

    Thauvin deal was ready to tie up, so they did.

    Perhaps the Austin deal wasn’t that straight forward. Let’s face it, no other club managed it either. It’s a wild assumption that its Carr saying no, but it fits with this idea you’ve been peddling for a while now.

    Of course you’re entitled to an opinion, but there is nothing “must have” about it.

    As for not having time to wait anymore. I do, but still cannot get my head around why, for the supposed £2m extra, we didnt get in a proven PL striker. We all know we need goals.

  • 76 bettyswallocks // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:17 PM

    Mitrovic was a good signing and will be a very good addition to the squad , but to be given the responsibility as our main man up front was a ridiculous decision.
    We needed an experienced striker that could guarantee us goals even in an ordinary team. A certain Mr. A. Springs to mind. Yet again the financial implications of our transfer dealings has taken priority over the football requirements.

  • 77 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:17 PM

    “Sorry Mike. Graham said it would be worth getting Austin, but I chose Thauvin from Graham’s list instead. We had the horse. It just didn’t get bolted on properly. But we’ll get promted next season. ”

    Mike says, “Cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth.”

  • 78 SPRINGY // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:20 PM

    imo i think macca and the board have looked at the team and said firstly we need to strengthen the spine mbemba,gini,mitro…then with cabella goin to marseille they got thauvin to fill his spot,toney for potential….i believe if they could of got another cb they wanted they would of but are not willing to pay other the odds while they have so many cb’s on the books…now they’ll asses the players we have and the value to the side and keep or get rid accordingly…hopefully carr and macca work more as a unit to get the players in,instead of carr maybe gettin the nod by himself to do it,they say there a team now when it comes to selecting players… that implies it was’nt the case before

  • 79 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:22 PM

    Munster…All due respect, I think this has run it’s course. I can’t continue when you keep with the mindset that people are calling his a super scout or whatever. The Chronicle? Who cares if they think hes amazing? 🙂

    All I’ll say is that if “He is without doubt the de facto DOF” then Ashley or Penfold need a good old slap. They need one anyway.

    For me he’s a competent scout. If he’s been elevated too far above that role, it needs addressing.

  • 80 Munster Mag // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:22 PM

    Jail hat may be true, but one wonders with all this money floating around in Leicester City etc are smaller than us any more. Austin most be regretting not going there now. You know that I am happier with how things have changed since Ashleys public statement, but I have been banging a drum about Carr for a while now and at least now its a viable discussion point. The man has too much power IMO, and even his past isnt one of huge success. Didnt someone say on here recently that they knew a fan at Northampton or somewhere who cudnt believe he got the gig at NUFC ? Of course the man who tried to rename our ground ( and was supported by many on here for doing that ) is behind it all, but he seems quite hands off now and lets Carr make the decisions. Lets just hope he focuses on getting the players SMC wants, but as i said earlier, the player pipelins is already in place, and SMC has had nothing to do with it. If I see any more stylish Anita types i wont be happy . Sad because i like Anita – he would probably look great against us if we played Ajax ( dream on ) in the Europa league, but against Stoke away from home….but yes i agree with your overall assertion re Ashley of course.

  • 81 Jail for Ashley // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:22 PM

    Munster,
    Let’s just say the whole set up is rotten.

  • 82 Ron Knee // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:24 PM

    Munster
    I agree. Carr is our de facto DOF, and has been for some time. I’m sure he played a large part in the disastrous appointment of JC.

  • 83 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:25 PM

    Ibiza
    The point is this. How can a non footballing executive/administrator overrule a chief football recruitment officer on a football recruitment decision and make a decision of his own.

    You say the Thauvin deal might already have been lined up. So what? If Carr wanted Austin not Thauvin given a choice, he should be saying Austin first.

    You now suggest it might have been too difficult to get Austin. Really?

  • 84 Jail for Ashley // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:25 PM

    Munster,
    I think what we can agree on is that Carr should not be DoF and scout.

  • 85 SPRINGY // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:26 PM

    bottom line…if austin was cheaper he’d be here and cisse would probably be gone but they will not over spend….if austin had 234 years on contract at qpr i think they might of signed him…..but there not goin throw money at a club for a player that if they wait 4-5 month myt be able to get himfor half the price…wait a season they might get him for nothing!!

  • 86 Jail for Ashley // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:28 PM

    A typical Ashley Modus Operandi, Carr is covieniently placed to take the blame for any duff signings.

  • 87 Jail for Ashley // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:29 PM

    I don’t know what system of valuation makes Austin worth 13M rather than 15M.

  • 88 Mick // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:31 PM

    Springy

    the problem is other clubs can also get him cheaper/free and if that happens then where does that leave us, up the creek without a paddle I’d say.

  • 89 LGFUAD21 // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:31 PM

    Ibiza up very top.

    You do it by assigning roles and responsibilities. It’s all well and good defending as a team but for some reason our players can’t work as one in defence and attack like Ajax or Barcelona.

    When you can’t do that you have to give people clear instructions.

    Colback and Anita defend and get the bal to moussa, Gini or thauvin as quickly as possible.

    Pardew used todo that with perch and tiote. Clear instructions to win the ball and pass to cabaye.

    They weren’t asked to attack. Only to recycle the ball fast to those that can.

  • 90 Jail for Ashley // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:32 PM

    I paid £10 for a glass screen for my phone last month in Norwich. I could have waited until I got back from my trip and bought one from amazon for a fiver, in the mean time my expensive phone would have most definitely picked up some scratches or at worst been cracked….

  • 91 SPRINGY // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:32 PM

    jail
    i wonder if they were willing to pay 13M for austin coz the nitro deal was on off all the time but once they got him withdrew the offer… to wait for austin.. cheaper option

  • 92 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:33 PM

    Blackley…I’m not actually suggesting anything, that’s what you’re doing. I’m just proposing alternatives for what could have happened as I’m not sure why you’ve ended up with this strong held conclusion that you hold.

    With regards to the Austin deal being hard, only as far as negotaiting and holding out for a saving. if they didn’t mess around, It’d no doubt be fairly straight forward. Whose department is that though?

    I also didn’t suggest that it was a case of either Austin or Thauvin. Maybe Carr said get Thauvin, and continue to try and get Austin. We have money, why would it have to be one or the other?

    As for your “the point is this” – How indeed. I can think of a long list of “how can” from Ashleys reign. Since when have footballing decisions been more important that financial ones under Ashley? You seriously can’t entertain the idea that’s it’s Charnley making the final calls?

  • 93 bettyswallocks // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:33 PM

    If the West Ham game was a gauge as to where the team’s at then Saturday is a defining game as to whether or not we are going be in another relegation battle or not.
    If we can put a few wins together then maybe come January the board inc. Schteve can do what’s required to improve.

  • 94 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM

    Jail @ 90
    Hahaha. It’s true though.

  • 95 SPRINGY // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM

    mick
    i agree…but they’ll just look else where and start again and saved them selves 15M in the process….he might of already agreed to join us next year for all i know for a big signing on fee and hefty wage out of the 15m

  • 96 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:36 PM

    LGF…Precisely. I really am questioning the instruction / roles the players are being asked to play. The seem clueless, not just adapting to me.

    Jail…But maybe it wouldn’t be scratched. Think of that £5!

  • 97 cyprus // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:45 PM

    Agree Betty,
    The next game is a defining one: Lose from a promoted team and it’s clear we will be in that fight for which are the worst 3 teams in the PL. Draw and we are in their league, to quote Colo 😉

    We gotta win man, no choice.

  • 98 Jail for Ashley // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:46 PM

    Ibiza,
    I stood for three hours at the kiosk debating this, I offered the guy a quid at first, finally by the time he’d accepted my final price of £8.99 there was none left and I had to go to the other kiosk where the quality wasn’t as good and had to pay a tenner.

  • 99 SPRINGY // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:47 PM

    ibiza
    i wonder if the players have the intelligence required to understand the instructions tho…..said for a long long time we have the thickest players in the league…..they make the same mistakes time after time….they never learn,they never start a half switched on….just look at the early goals we’ve conceeded especially 2nd half….misplaced passes,giving the ball away in dangerous areas,fallen over the ball….its comical!!lol

  • 100 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:47 PM

    Ibiza
    You’re struggling badly with this. If Charnley holds out for savings and doesn’t follow a firm instruction from Carr to get Austin for £15m or less, it’s Charnley’s fault. However, Carr should stipulate that the first signing through the door should be Austin and that none of that earmarked money should be spent elsewhere. Can you imagine Charnley having to account to Ashley for overruling Carr on a footballing decision?

    Ideally, it is the man charged with selecting and coaching the team, who should have the final say on how the budget is spent. But he needs a very good scouting team.

    I wouldn’t mind a good recruitment team having their own exclusive budget of £10m or so to get special future talent, players for the future like Perez.

  • 101 bettyswallocks // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:48 PM

    It doesn’t always need to take time time for new players to click and come together as a team. Look at Southampton last season. However if we are going be a work in progress , I can live with that providing there is genuine ambition shown to improve from top to bottom at the club.

  • 102 Mick // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:48 PM

    Springy
    as Jail stated @90, at times it pay’s to act straightaway, how many league places lost and how short will the Cup runs be due to hanging on for a better deal, and how much money do we lose due to that, it could end up being a very expensive “saving”

  • 103 Jail for Ashley // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:49 PM

    SPRINGY,
    We’ll never know, just as we’ll never know if we were really after Gomis or it was just guff to hide the fact that we had literally no intention of signing anyone that summer.

  • 104 cyprus // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:50 PM

    Our players thick? 🙂 Never thought of that angle. Maybe you’re on to something there.

  • 105 bettyswallocks // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:52 PM

    Jail….. You were a bit slow there. You should have tried to put the knackered one in part-ex.

  • 106 SPRINGY // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:54 PM

    betty
    i think a lot depends on the team the new players go into…..if (like southampton)a team were playing well confident scoring goals players seem to blend alot quicker…if(like us)a team are struggling no confidence and no goals its not as easy

  • 107 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:55 PM

    Blackley…I don’t think I’m struggling with it all, actually. I do understand what you’re saying, what I’m saying back is that you’re assuming what has happened or what is said.

    To illustrate that, I’ve tried to give examples of what else could have happened. Not my opinion on what has happened, just ideas.

    Jail…Didn’t they have any second hand ones kicking about for a couple of quid? Could have seen you through until a later date.

    Springy…If it wasnt our team, it would be funny as. Unfortunately it’s just depressing.

    Could be the players intelligence. Truth is, it’s most likely more than one thing.

    I believe, even under Pardew, we saw patches of what they can do though. So I do tend to lean towards instruction / coaching, rather than ability or intelligence. Who knows though.

  • 108 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:55 PM

    You say we have money, why does it have to be Austin or Thauvin? It doesn’t. We could have had both. But we only ended up with one. The wrong choice was made. At the very least, its old Mr Carr’s job to sign off on these footballing decisions.

    If the administrator has overruled the chief football recruitment officer on a footballing decision and we pay the price, cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth.

  • 109 bettyswallocks // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:57 PM

    Springy….. It was almost a completely new team though and they seemed to hit the ground running.

  • 110 cyprus // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:58 PM

    A confederacy of dunces.

    Makes sense man.

  • 111 WWSBRD // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:59 PM

    Feel good factor down the pan then?

    There’ll be another email on the way soon or maybe a 2 minute interview with Ashley so let’s not be too down. Football is a very minor part of NUFC

  • 112 SPRINGY // Sep 17, 2015 at 12:59 PM

    mick/jail
    im not defending it…..just putting a posibility out there…could be disastrous yes….as a fan i would of signed him…but they are not fans
    they might of never been after gomi’s but if the recent history of our club has shown if he asked for to much wages they wont entertain

  • 113 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:02 PM

    Blackley…Not wanting to be rude, but I’d forgotten what it’s like to have a discussion with you.

    I might find something else to do for a bit, as this is going nowhere.

  • 114 hibbit // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:02 PM

    if the truth be known we dont have a clue who is making the decision it could still be ashley for all we know

  • 115 SPRINGY // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:03 PM

    betty
    they myt of had a cracking pre-season and were confident…your right tho it was a good start by a fairly new team

  • 116 SPRINGY // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM

    thats true hibbit…..telling people charnley is in charge…all a smoke screen to deflect any shite

  • 117 SUTTY1978 // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM

    I’ve said a few times that our problem with scouting is that Carr always recomends players on their scoring record and never looks for creativity. Some people just imagine that the players we have like Wijnaldum or De Jong are creative because they have played no.10 but the reality is they are not.

    We have no creative players therefore our players who used to score plenty of goals for other teams now have no-one to provide for them and therefore dont score here.

    That’s the root of our problems and coupled with the negative approach of the Ginger Pardew it leads to us never threatening the opposition goal

  • 118 Jail for Ashley // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:07 PM

    They said they didn’t want to win a cup and it was true. Now they’ve said they want to win a cup it must be true.

  • 119 WWSBRD // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:08 PM

    SUTTY
    Where did u get Carrs scouting reports from? I’d be interested to read them myself

  • 120 SPRINGY // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:09 PM

    cant see macca changing the side for sat to be honest….hope he does coz it needs a shake up… but i think he’ll see if the same side up there game

  • 121 bettyswallocks // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:10 PM

    We still don’t know whether the 50 mil. spend was a genuine attempt to improve the squad and move forward to try and win something or just to keep up with everyone else’s improvement enough to survive.
    What Mc was saying about it being a gradual process of improving window by window, rather than buying loads of players all at once actually makes sense. I suppose we will only know come the next Windows.

  • 122 hibbit // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:10 PM

    if we get beat on saturday the honeymoon will be over

  • 123 Jail for Ashley // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:11 PM

    SUTTY and SPRINGY, I’m getting mixed up,
    SPRINGY,
    I don’t know what you think I was saying you were defending, maybe I thought you were SUTTY ?

  • 124 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:13 PM

    Ibiza
    I’m not assuming much, if anything. I’m not assuming that old Mr Carr is in the role of a chief recruitment officer. I’m not assuming that Mr Charnley has no football credentials and so has no place making football decisions; his brief is in negotiating. I’m not assuming that we had a substantial budget that would have got us some very good players if it was spent astutely. I’m not assuming that we ended up with Thauvin and not Austin. I think we can say these things are fairly factual. I don’t think these facts lend themselves to a wide and scope of speculation. In short, we had the money to buy Austin. Austin still plays ay QPR. We bought a guy called Thauvin with much the same money. Did Mr Charnley decide that was good for the team or did old Mr Carr?

  • 125 SPRINGY // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:14 PM

    jail
    was’nt havin ago…. just thought i should clear up that i was’nt defending it…..just a theory….sorry mate!!lol

  • 126 Ibizatoon // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:20 PM

    Blackley…Feel free to waste your time further. As I keep saying, it’s not that part of the discussion we’re struggling with, it’s your assumptions as to the reasons why. Clearly not the end result, we all can see that.

    As I said, I’d forgotten what it’s like to discuss something with you. Totally around the houses. I’ve asked before whether the way you miss my points completely is intentional or a mistake. Don’t worry, I wont ask again.

    We seem to have reached the same conslusion. Not enough was done. There is no real excuses for it.

    The only grey area is who made that call and why. Something we simply don’t know. Hence my call to drop it as we’re not going anywhere

  • 127 Mick // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:21 PM

    betty
    does it make sense though, or is it an excuse so they can continue to tread water by doing as little as possible but just enough to survive, good players settle into teams quite quickly, look at Soton last season, we should have bought a lot more imho, we are still short of a striker, still need a CB, poor cover at full back, and in Anita and Colback we have a midfield power house which is powder puff and Championship standard at best, assuming that some players will do well and move on to bigger and better clubs, and also assuming that some players just won’t cut it in the PL then how will a continuation of this summers policy improve us, I have my doubts that it will, we should have went for wholesale changes and then correct any weakness’ in future windows when these weakness’ appear.

  • 128 SPRINGY // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:25 PM

    teams for sat
    ——————————–krul——————————–
    janmaat———-mbemba——–colo————–haidara
    ——————————-tiote———————————
    sissoko————————————————–thauvin
    ——————————-gini———————————-
    —————–de-jong————–perez———————-

    ——————————-krul———————————-
    janmaat———–mbemba——–colo————–haidara
    ———————–sissoko——–gini————————
    thauvin——————–de-jong———————aarons
    ——————————–perez——————————–
    the side i think we’ll see
    ——————————–krul———————————
    janmaat———–mbemba——–colo————–haidara
    ———————-anita———–colback——————–
    sissoko———————-gini———————–thauvin
    —————————cisse/perez—————————–

  • 129 bettyswallocks // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:27 PM

    Mick….. I agree that the current squad is lacking. We knew Cisse up front on his own is pointless, so bringing in only one striker with no cover for a situation like we have now where Mitro can’t play is mental. We are back to where we were last season.

    I do think the signings are ok and show more ambition than just buying cheap but I don’t have a good feeling that we will score goals.

  • 130 bettyswallocks // Sep 17, 2015 at 1:33 PM

    On paper, I suppose you could argue that the squad looked ok and was an improvement on last season but I think we all know by now that we are still not good enough and all we can hope for is that the coaches can tinker with what we have until the next window.




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