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Huge Money Coming In Premier League – Ashley´s Dilemma

9:59 am, Sunday, September 20th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 163 Comments

This is the final season of the three-year Premier League TV rights deal that was in total around £3B, and next summer starts the next three years of that and that total money will go up to £5.1B.

Newcastle have been getting just short of £80M for the first two years of this current deal, so starting next year if would be fairly safe to say we will be getting around £136M for each of the three seasons, starting next summer.

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Lee Charnley and Mike Ashley on last day of last season

That´s huge money for any club, and of course Mike Ashley the money-man will be relishing that – but in order for Newcastle to receive that money – obviously we have to stay in the Premier League.

Lee Charnley is running the club for Ashley, and he is the top executive and leads the Newcastle Board of Directors.

It was Lee who oversaw things after Alan Pardew left the club, forced out by the Sack Pardew crowd who wanted him out of the club.

What we got in place of Alan was an inexperienced coach who talked about how he could get the Newcastle head coach job while he continued to lose game after game.

And then it was the Board of Directors who appointed Steve McClaren as the new head coach, days after he had been fired from Derby County.

Simply put – Mike Ashley is letting the Board run the club.

At the start of last season, there was follow-on in poor results after we had lost seven of our last eight games in the 2013-2014 season.

And it seems we have the same thing happening again this season – after we lost nine games of the last eleven league games earlier this year.

We cannot imagine Mike Ashley is pleased with what he has seen in the last two games and that Newcastle are second bottom of the league, although he will give Steve McClaren time to get the side gelling.

Given the money situation and what Newcastle could lose with relegation this season, we cannot imagine Ashley is going to stay in the background if we continue to linger in the bottom three in the league.

It´s too early to do much at the moment and certainly far too early to panic.

Although as we suggested after the game yesterday – the Board should be working on new acquisitions who could come in during the January transfer window.

If we are in the bottom three and fighting relegation at the end of the year – look to Mike Ashley to make more big money available.

But the Board will need to bring in players this time who can make an immediate impact.

Apart from Charlie Austin who else would be available with those credentials?

What do you think?

Comments welcome.

Tags: Coaching · Financial Fair Play · Financials · Newcastle News · Recruitment · Transfer News and Rumours

163 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Jib // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:00 AM

    Strange you should refer to Mike Ashley as the fat bully , as that is the mental image I have of you.

    There is something weird and distasteful about a self declared Toon fan glorying in and being so gleeful about a NUFC defeat.

    You are in your element with post after post it is quite abnormal.

  • 2 JamesToon // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:00 AM

    Can’t believe I’m already talking about January targets but…

    We need:
    1 x Centre half
    1 x Ball winning MF
    1 x Playmaker
    1 x Winger
    1 x Striker

    • Ashley Williams
    • Ryan Shawcross
    • Lewis Dunk
    • James Tomkins
    • Ron Vlaar
    • Aaron Cresswell
    • Neil Taylor
    • Jetro Willems
    • Raphael Guerriero
    • Jeffrey Schlupp
    • Michael Carrick
    • Jack Cork
    • Victor Wanyama
    • Jonjo Shelvey
    • Yannick Bolasie
    • Kevin Mirallas
    • Riyad Mahrez
    • Nathan Redmond
    • Jefferson Montero
    • Callum Wilson
    • Charlie Austin
    • Loïc Rémy

    But with the situation, a lot of those targets will be quite unrealistic, but they are what we need, proven ready made quality NOW, don’t care if they don’t have sell on value, surely if they can fire us up the table Ashley will get more TV money??

  • 3 Barton // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:02 AM

    Tsunki,from prev post,
    You mean they would not signe the players bonus contracts,and got the rest of the squad to refuse to signe them as well,the only time in premiership history it has happend.Mr Tubbs did not like being embarrassed like that.

  • 4 JamesToon // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:03 AM

    Left back as well is needed

  • 5 Ron Knee // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:07 AM


    They’re good at lowering expectations. (Have to be good at something, I suppose.) Remember how relieved we were when Carver didn’t get his contract renewed?

  • 6 Munster Mag // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:12 AM

    Tsunki i have no problem standing over my comments re ashley investing more etc. We spent more than most in europe. Our problem is carr ( which i have been saying for a year) . He is running the football side of the club and running it badly. I said on friday that yesterdays reaction would say a lot re mcclaren and the players in the team that carr built. We are bottom 6 unless mitro is the answer and he wont be.

  • 7 toon kk // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:12 AM

    We need two wingers with real power and pace
    1 top striker with pace a quality mid fielder and a cb or well go down.

  • 8 Tsunki // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:15 AM

    Jeff evidently one does not have to be large at all to bully you. And please point out the glee I expressed in defeat. I predicted a win at WH and a draw yesterday, so point out why I would be pleased. Or just stay silent as you normally do when you are owned on a daily if not hourly basis you slimy weasel.

  • 9 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:16 AM

    morning people…..would of said good morning but that would optimistic!
    ron knee
    u ask how long will ashley give macca?
    i would say 15 games…..if u look at the fixtures i can only see 1 or maybe 2 wins(norwich and stoke home) and maybe 2 or 3 draws(mackems,bournemouth away,leicester home) on current form…….cant say im optimistic at the moment….thats not a lot points for 15 games so he myt get the bullet then…unless things turn round

  • 10 Tsunki // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:17 AM

    Munster, I think many were fooled into thinking the £50 m was adequate spending for the damage to be repaired. Or that the money was over and above money saved from previous budget. There has been no ‘ investment’

  • 11 Blofal // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:17 AM


    If I was panicking come January (god knows I am right now) I would bring in ..

    Michael Carrick – to add some backbone to the midfield because Anita and Colback have been poor. Plus he knows how to win… something our own players have forgotten.

    Jetro Willems – to replace Haidara and provide some attacking threat down the left.

    Charlie Austin – Because he is the only premier league proven striker that would be attainable in January.


    Andy Carroll – we can play him off the bench to try and preserve his brittle bones. He will massively boost the morale of the city and is a proper target man. It gives us options because god knows Cisse isn’t one. We should sell him in January.

  • 12 toon kk // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:20 AM

    The resale strategy at the club will take us doon.
    we need top players that will help now, there’s far too many flops that never were and never will be any good for the premier league at Newcastle.

  • 13 HoboToon // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:21 AM

    @ Jib
    My bad, RB. No dont get me wrong i am not calling for the managers head, all im saying is how can the players know what they should be doing until the manager sets out a gameplan for them to follow. All im saying is steve looks a little lost at the moment and that will transcend down to the team. We will not start playing well or be a good team until steve sorts himself out, that is all i am saying really and would you disagree? And on my Janmaat post would you not agree that once again he is the only player who has shown character when times are tough?

  • 14 Ron Knee // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:26 AM

    I would agree with that. I don’t think Fatso will allow things to slide like last season. His precious ‘investment’ is at stake, after all. His faith in Charmless and Carr must be taking a dent too.

  • 15 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:27 AM

    i wonder if the grief carr is getting will change his stance and at least consider looking at premier league ready players or like i suspect,makes him dig his heels in and say f**k off and still bargain hunt in his usual leagues……looks like its goin to get a lot worse before its goin to get any better….if its goin to get better?

  • 16 JamesToon // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:27 AM


    I wouldn’t buy 2 target men, I would get 1 target man In Austin/Carroll along with a rapid striker in Wilson/Remy.
    Need a right footed direct winger, I would go for either Bolasie or Mirallas, 1 MF in Wanyama who wants away, left back in Willems and finally shawcross

  • 17 anthc // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    Well ashley running a tight ship and buying basement bargains is gonna bite him in the arse this time as relegation is a real threat. 50 million sounds alot but when you take into consideration the amount we’ve accrued over the past few seasons it’s probably not alot at all. I genuinely think panic will set in by Xmas and we’ll be right in it. I only hope we’re the team who pulls off the unthinkable like the scum and Leicester the last few seasons.

  • 18 JamesToon // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    If we have a supposed budget of £100m left, why aren’t we spending it on top top class players.

  • 19 cestriasteve // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    I’m a bit worried as we are tinkering with the team as Steve McClaren did in the 2nd half of the last season at Derby . Our best players are Colbeck and Anita at DM with Sissoko RW and Thauvin LW, Wini / De Jong playing behind a lone striker. Stop tinkering with it and get them used to playing together.
    Regardless of those players having a bad game they are the best we have, stop mucking around, Sissoko can’t play in the middle, tiote does want to play for us.

  • 20 toon kk // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Ron knee
    the trouble is Mash just doesn’t understand, all he looks at profits

  • 21 kimbo // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    Are we going to see the smallest crowd in decades this week. Why would anybody pay to watch this rubbish. I am not a football manager but I could get any non league team to beat the Wally’s team and his tactics or is it tictacs.
    I still cannot believe Obertan is in our team and Thauvin offers less than Sammy Ameobi.

  • 22 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    ron knee
    myt be already to late by 15 games

  • 23 Jib // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:33 AM

    Sir Les Ferdinand is talking on Sky Sports News about the Toon at the moment.

    Nice to know there are still some calm sensible heads out there.

    If your sole input about the Toon was the posters on this blog I would fear for your sanity.

  • 24 geordie157 // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:34 AM

    I’m in no doubt that a fit Taylor alongside Mbemba would be a big improvement on Colo playing there.

    Colo and cisse are the weak links in the side, well the main ones.

    I’d drop cisse, stick de jong in a false no.9 and see what he can do. Aarons in for thauvin, we need his pace in the side and he takes players on.

    When mitrovic is back try two up top with Perez, those two should cause sides problems.

    Also no more sissoko on the right, wijnaldum has shined there for psv before moving more central him and janmaat down that wing, haidara and aarons the left surely worth at least a try!

  • 25 AncientC // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:35 AM

    “It was Lee who oversaw things after Alan Pardew left the club, forced out by the Sack Pardew crowd who wanted him out of the club.”

    Nothing to do with Crystal Palace (Pardew’s club) coming in and offering Pardew more money and Newcastle a compensation package then?

  • 26 toon kk // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:37 AM

    I can’t believe how much money has been wasted on the wrong players over the years never mind in the last window. Pathetic.

  • 27 Ron Knee // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:37 AM

    toon kk
    I think Fatso got a real fright last season so if he acts, it won’t be for the good of NUFC but to protect his investment.

  • 28 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:38 AM

    ron knee
    the other problem is if have been poor for 15-20 games no player will want to come(unless they do a remy…big wage and a release clause if relegated)and alot of players will want to leave…..macca has got to get things right before then or can see this season imploding by end of jan whether he’s here or not!

  • 29 Jib // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:38 AM


    Sorry just noticed your post.

    Defo agree about Daryl , liked his response to his goal and even more his reaction to the shot Gomes saved.
    Regards SM , I’m starting to think there is more behind the scenes crap that we are not told about which he has inherited and he is still working on.

  • 30 Lindisfarne // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:40 AM


    Reading your comments I definitely do….bum bum!

  • 31 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:42 AM

    im tryin to be patient and hoping it turns round….might seem daft to some.. but its only 6 games in

  • 32 Ron Knee // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:45 AM

    On the other hand, some players might look at it as a challenge. ‘I came to Newcastle and turned things round!’

  • 33 Jib // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:45 AM

    Pardew would have never entertained CP in exchange for NUFC in “normal” circumstances.
    The Palace job came up 7 times while Pardew was here , the previous 6 times he never even raised an eyebrow in interest.
    It is the poisonous minority (of whom many post on here) that drove him out.

  • 34 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:48 AM

    ron knee
    lets hope so mate…..the cup game should be interesting to see what side he puts out?

  • 35 toon kk // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:52 AM

    Ron knee
    Mash may act In January, as he’s just coughed up 50mil in the last window, but unless the money is spent wisely his investments are just wasted. MA doesn’t understand what type of players are needed all he wants is someone there will be a profit in. Charnless and Carr cant even see we lack pace, and continually bring the wrong players in.
    It will all end in tears going with unproven kids is one gamble to many.

  • 36 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:53 AM

    maybe carr was the reason pardew left….coz he was gettin the stick for the players carr was bringin in…..just a theory was’nt a pardew fan tbo

  • 37 JamesToon // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:55 AM

    Looking at the team, there just doesn’t seem to be anyone there, apart from Janmaat, who is willing to roll up their sleeves and fight

  • 38 Ron Knee // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:56 AM

    toon kk
    If he does act, going on past form, it’ll probably be the wrong move. But then we’re used to that!

  • 39 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:58 AM

    ron knee
    ashleys back up plan….harry redknapp?

  • 40 Munster Mag // Sep 20, 2015 at 10:58 AM

    Tsunki i wasnt fooled and i do think more will follow. Ashleys biggest issue is not money, its carr. charnley will do his bidding and did well in signing mitro etc. Carr is the man running the football side of the club and he is doing it really badly. You will find that the local media and national media will now start asking questions as i have been doing for some time now.

  • 41 Munster Mag // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:01 AM

    Sadly the fans were made to look ridiculous by the sackpardew website. We look even sillier now.

  • 42 Ron Knee // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:01 AM

    Wouldn’t surprise me!

  • 43 angelswithdirtyfaces // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:05 AM

    It was Lee who oversaw things after Alan Pardew left the club, forced out by the Sack Pardew crowd who wanted him out of the club.

    This is a myth. Repeat the claim often enough and it becomes the conventional wisdom. But it is not the truth. It is rubbish. Pardew had had enough of the regime, a squad depleted by injuries but only with square peg/round hole replacements and had a better offer from a club he has great memoeirs of. It was the right time for him to move. He wanted control over transfers and he got it at Palace. It was one of his key demands. He has said as much in his coded way since. Simples.

    Pardew had weathered plenty of adverse comments after the Lieverpool debacle amongst many others. He always said in interviews that he was too tenacious to be deflected by criticism and was very stubborn.

    Any apologists for the current regime who think he was driven out seem to be pursuing some agenda of their own that has a perverse view of supporter and fan power.

  • 44 Slank // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:16 AM

    SPRINGY @ 36

    As Ancient C quite rightly says Pardew resigned because his home town club Crystal Palace paid Newcastle’s compensation package. The internet campaign against him didn’t force him out. The Palace offer ticked all the boxes whilst Newcastle ticked none.

  • 45 Jib // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:21 AM

    It’s highly amusing that all the Pardew snipers (and Munster is right the Sackpardew idiots made NUFC a laughing stock) are now holding their hands up saying “who me? nuffink to do wiv me guvna”

  • 46 toon kk // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:26 AM

    In the past we’ve always had top quality striker’s, last season we hadn’t any, same this, just relying on a 20 year unproven kid.
    Without Remy two seasons ago we would have been relegated.
    in a nutshell we’re not fit for the premier league.
    We will go down its been coming for some time.

  • 47 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:28 AM

    I think you could be onto something about behind the scenes. personally I think the club behind the scenes is a festering boil that needs to be lanced. Doesn’t help when Ashley takes a back seat and lets the lunatics be in charge of the asylum.
    We seem to be able to turn good players into bad players and potentially sign decent kids ie Bigirimana, Keman Vuckic who have went backwards since coming to the TOON.
    Like to see Bigi and Tomey for two given a chance on Wed night

  • 48 stuart no9 // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:33 AM

    So Ashley , it’s either keep maclaren or lose About £400M on TV rights ??? Now there is something for you to ponder on until xmas , coz that it what I boils down to I’m afraid .

  • 49 Slank // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:36 AM

    Ron Knee @ 27

    ‘….it won’t be for the good of NUFC but to protect his investment…’

    His ‘investment’ is peanuts to his personal wealth.

    What probably concerns him most is being seen as a failure.

    He has been fantastically successful in business. All he has ever known is success. The outlook for him in business looks like continuing that trend.

  • 50 toon kk // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:37 AM

    If someone wants to see how football should be played and what a difference pace makes watch Palace this afternoon. Pardews success is down to pace and buying players for today.

  • 51 the broons // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:39 AM

    Was on the drink yesterday so didn’t get a chance to comment on the shambles yesterday. Basically everyone were 3 and 4’s first half, second half up to 7 and 8’s but for the full game 5 and 6’s.

    Colback had the most jeckyll and hyde performance i’ve ever seen! Fisrt half beyong pathetic looked like a lost sheep. Second half turned into Makele at his finest, so frustrating because second half we were all owa them second half chasing the equaliser though.

    Thauvin and Cisse dropped for Aarons and De Jong, whole team plays better when De Jong is there to link up play. Ahh and finally toonbrother if you’re listening, Coloccini was diabolical you will be pleased to know.

  • 52 toon kk // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    its not Macca, our squad is shit mate, we may have some decent players but most aren’t cut out for the premier league.

  • 53 angelswithdirtyfaces // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:41 AM


    Strange choice of language from you, as one of the most poisonous posters on here.

  • 54 stuart no9 // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    Jib — I think it’s because when Pardew Was here , he was only part of the problem . Ashley and par dew didn’t work . Pardew left For CP. but the real problem is still here . We will never have a team as long as he is still here regardless who we get as manager . We won’t get a quality man in coz ash won’t pay the big bucks , so the manager has to take the stick for the teams performance on the pitch . That will always be the case . No doubt SM is next . That’s life .

  • 55 stuart no9 // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:51 AM

    Toon kk . Your Right Mate or are you ??? we’ve had a crap side for years However , it dosnt seem to matter who we but mate , we are always not good enough .We’ve had some decent talent over the years , they just can’t adapt to the way the club is managed , and run . Something is drastically wrong – we as fans can’t blame the players all the time . The frustrating thing is , nobody seems to be able to dirt is out . Maybe if we go down that could be the signal to oust our owner , and start again from scratch . I certainly would applaud that option .

  • 56 stuart no9 // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:52 AM

    * sort us out *

  • 57 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:54 AM

    as bad as colo was he’s the capt and wont be dropped…..unfortunately his lack of ability is effecting mbemba and the team….but he’s cant be blamed for everyones performance

  • 58 lesh // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:54 AM

    The so-called board can recruit as many players as it wishes but unless those players actually fit with current players and the plans of the HC, incomers will never help move the Club on.

    Ashley needs to be convinced of the need for shrewd investment that will strengthen the Club’s PL status and therefore maximise prize money that’ll far exceed any relatively small profits on player sales.

    Maybe Charnley doesn’t have that vision and sees no further than the Club’s annual budget and of that is the case, he needs to be replaced by an MD/ CEO who understands and has proved him/ herself in the wider context of the higher echelons of football.

    Hey ho, what fun.

  • 59 Malackay // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:54 AM

    At the risk of stating the obvious we were poor yesterday. I know I keep harping on about Haidaira but he IS NOT Premiership quality and I don’t see the “improvements” he is making like many were telling me this week.

    Colo is equally shocking. His lack of tenacity for a CB is perplexing!

  • 60 Slank // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:54 AM

    Toon kk @ 50

    We have pace in Aarons, Thauvin, Obertan, Perez, Sissoko and Gini but what we haven’t got is confidence.

    Is it the coaching style that is the problem with too much emphasis on possession which slows the game down ? Our overall play is very pedestrian. Man City keep possession and knock the ball around but their forwards are always moving about making space whereas our forwards (frequently only Cisse) are quite static.

  • 61 c-dog // Sep 20, 2015 at 11:59 AM

    Mbemba looks to have improved our defence all right

  • 62 bettyswallocks // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:01 PM

    I think we are f…ed to be honest. There are too many teams better than us who have realised that with pace and power up front, even the top teams can be caught on the break. Slow ball retaining football achieves nothing in the modern game.

    Even our old pal Mr. Pardew realises this.

  • 63 Jib // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:02 PM

    C’mon Samoa do the USA

    Tuilagi @ 8-1 to score the 1st try with bet 365 looks a good’un for you gamblers out there

  • 64 Slank // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:04 PM


    Mbemba has been the pick of the new bunch.

    I’m wondering whether he would be better employed as the sole defensive midfield player. He has shown that he has good ball control and pace. And can clearly read the game, tackle and head the ball.

  • 65 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:07 PM

    i think if we had decent defenders he would b ideal in that position……big strong quick can pass just what u need in a holding defensive player……unless u’d like to see colo and williamson at the back it wont happen till at least january IF macca sees that and is willing to try it

  • 66 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:08 PM

    newcastle v sheff weds

    On paper a win should be as easy as pie however, based on our current form in the league this match will be a closer and harder one that we’d expect.

    Normally these are games i would have wanted to see Newcastle field it’s strongest side but to some peoples suprise this time around i’ll actually be wanting mac to field a number of them not normally expected to start.

    My team would be


    tauvin/arrons- is it only tauvin who acts like a greedy g1t turning up with a tuxedo or will the other wingers?

    sissoko/obatan- sissoko keeps getting slower and showing less interest, does the same thing come in when we play obatan or was he actually intent on doing whats best for the club and not for himself and that big club move?

    wiji/SDJ- wiji certainly hasn’t did much as a threat, does it apply to all or is he just surround by crap.

    cisse/mitro- cisse has shown poor form week in week out this is your chance mitro prove to all your not a red card collector and will remain on the pitch otherwise we might as well bring back arrons.

  • 67 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM

    hoping to see lascelle and mbemba on wed…not sure if williamson,taylor or dummet is fit tbh

  • 68 Essex Geordie Bill // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM

    Having only watched the MOTD highlights my first question is why there wasn’t a hue and cry from us for not getting a penalty early on. There was a clear case of shirt pulling on one of our players in the box.

    Also the post match stats seem to suggest that we were marginally the better team with more possession, more shots and more on target.

    This I would surmise highlights our poor finishing or superior goal keeping of the opposition. Gomez may look a bit of a clown at times but he is a top class keeper.

    Is it time to get Armstrong back and ditch Cisse who seems to get worse with every game?

    I also see that Collocini has got the least votes for best player. Toon Brother is beginning to look like a very sage predicator, unfortunately!!

  • 69 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:11 PM

    toon king
    mitro suspended mate…last game like

  • 70 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:12 PM

    agree our confidence is shot – so we have resorted to the tactics of old slow, slow slow slow – sideways go backwards pass back to Krul no- one moves for the pass out so – HOOFFFFFFFFFFFFF and where does the ball go out of play.

    At one point yesterday Mbemba was bring the ball out of defence stopped and flung his arms out wide in frustration/anger because no one was making a move in front of him for a pass so he had to turn and pass back.

    Mbemba could make a good captain

    we don’t have a leader on the pitch.

  • 71 Slank // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:13 PM


    I find it very ironic that almost all the fans, myself included, didn’t want Williamson in the defence and we have been granted that but the defence is still leaking goals.

    Perhaps McLaren should follow Chelsea who dropped their captain, although having said that it hasn’t improved them but it takes time.

  • 72 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:15 PM

    did’nt see the penalty till today coz i missed the 1st 15mins or so but when i seen it today was very surprised more was’nt said of it to be honest….few reckon perez’s penalty claim looked ligit as well

  • 73 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:17 PM

    correction to last bit
    should we bring back armstrong

  • 74 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM

    he did the same in the west ham game…..he’s a winner and wants the players around him to be the same but there not…..he would make a canny captain coz tho young he’s quality…..just think playing with colo is not doin him any favours

  • 75 Essex Geordie Bill // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM

    I meant a ‘sage predictor’. Predicator means something completely different.

  • 76 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:21 PM

    might as well turn to goofran or perhaps us riv if he’s fit maybe wiji all in all it’s sissoko, thauvin and cisse i want dropped more than anyone.

  • 77 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:21 PM


  • 78 magscar // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:23 PM

    The Broons@51

    Yeah too many Jekyll and Hyde performances during the game and too many not up for it Sissoko Cisse as senior players included. Gini improved once De Jong was on but looked overwhelmed in midfield in 1st half Perez struggled to get in game but worked hard without any joy.

    Having worked on the defensive side McClaren then had to do something on the attack. Dropping Anita didn’t seem to have worked either way as Colback was found wanting Colocinni was too slow and Haidara gave all away too easily. I excuse Mbemba and Janmatt ( although he has to work on his defensive side) but defence was dreadful and easily pulled apart.

    I can see why McClaren had gone safety first in midfield up until yesterday but he can’t have the luxury of continuing to do so and has to find a way with what he has or we will be seriously adrift by January .

    His only card until the transfer widow opens is Mitro and it is vital the coaches get him match fit and his head right.

    For January Ashley needs to take a long hard look at “his board” who not surprising to most aren’t delivering. The personnel, structure and line management arrangements are clearly lacking. Realistically he can’t sack them all in a crisis but he needs ( as always in my opinion) to bring in a proper D O F if he wants to continue with his methods (his choice not ours). The “board” appear to be a Frankensteinian composite of one!) If this was SD he would have headhunted just the right person for the job long ago and not rely on the failures he has appointed and excused.

    None of the current Board appointees are up to the job and their places in the line management aren’t clear ( at least to me).

    Those with the “football” knowledge to have brought in McClaren are presumably Carr and Moncur ( who whilst an ambassador wasn’t then on the Board). So either Charnley went solo using his wide contacts in the game ( Ha!) or he listened to Carr . We don’t know as usual but logic tells me it had to be Carr.

    January was important as the next stage of the revised plan but as I said last week it is vital that we now put round pegs in the round holes that have had square pegs either bashed into them or they have kept falling out when shaken.

    I have little faith in the current set up achieving this unless someone in an overarching position comes in and gets some common understanding amongst the board members or simply rides roughshod over the lot of them. I don’t know who that person might be but Ashley ought to be trying to talk to the movers and shakers in the Game to identify some realistic prospects and pay them good money to come and sort it out before it is too late.

    An alternative might be to allow McClaren first say in what he wants and not to simply pick from a list where he may not fancy anyone so goes for the best of a bad bunch but because of Charnleys’ tied hands ( by him or Ashley?) we don’t even end up with that choice.

    If he gets the right DOF then it doesn’t have to be a night of the long knives but more of a transition if those below continue to not be up to the task.

  • 79 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:23 PM

    at least with young arma he’ll chase harrass and move nyt not be the finisher yet but neither is cisse at the minute… least he’d be more like vardy(leicester)chasing, hurrying,working….cisse not interested in that

  • 80 SUTTY1978 // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:23 PM

    I think we’ll get a win against Chelsea. It will probably be incredibly undeserved and McClaren will be lauded by the press as a great guy and the fans will be labelled as being scum for wanting anything better than sitting in the bottom three.
    As McClaren is the ginger Pardew lets hope he keeps up the pardewesq hoodoo over Chelsea

  • 81 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:24 PM

    just watched that penalty on goals on sunday and it certainly was one, cisse himself doesn’t make the appeal any easier mind no appeal seemed to be done at all.

  • 82 Ibizatoon // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:25 PM

    Esssex…It’s true, a strong penalty shout really. I think it got lost due to the fact we really didn’t deserve anything from the game.

    As for the stats. We did attack more towards the end, but it’s always too little, too late.

    Shows we can attack games. Is it teams allowing us, or us actually trying though?

    W need to do it from the off. Try and build some confidence amongst the players and the fans. As Dennis Twice would say, Attack Toon, Attack Attack!

  • 83 Sav // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:26 PM

    When Ashley said he wasn’t leaving until we win something, he was not saying we are going all out for a cup. He is basically saying ‘I’m not leaving while this amount if money is coming in’. No amount of barracking from the terraces or from the pages of any newspaper is about to change that.

  • 84 Jib // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:26 PM

    Oh dear the Samoan fullback beat Tuilagi to the touchdown

  • 85 The overrated Frenchman // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:32 PM

    This Pardew revisionist attitude is extraordinary. Did nobody who is defending him watch the football we played under him? Can any of his apologists stand by his record? Did anybody like his lame excuses and generally slimy demeanour? Irrespective of what has happened since he left, he fully deserved the treatment he received.

  • 86 nufconceandfuturekings // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:34 PM

    Not great, is it? Everyone makes mistakes in matches, it’s called being human. But the inherent problem with the Toon is that no one seems to be learning from them. Which makes them stupid, I’m sorry to say. Why is it, I ask rhetorically, that we as fans can see what needs to be improved, but the club/players continue to make the same errors. The eternal mystery for me is that we payed out for Mitrovic and not for Austin. Yet again, despite Mike Ashley’s comments last season, they are still going for the ‘buy them young, then sell them on’ ethos, considering Austin too old [I know, laughable] at 26. We can all still see the same old mistakes and the same attitudes at work, and I have to say, fellow fans, and I am essentially positive as a rule…I fear for us this season. I really do.

  • 87 Essex Geordie Bill // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:34 PM

    I don’t like to see players harassing refs. but if there is a clear cut foul on a player then he should at least bring it to the refs. attention.

    Then any subsequent transgressions of a similar nature have at least a chance as he might be looking for them.

    I think any good manager should be carpeting players who just meekly walk away and say nowt.

    Shows a certain lassitude in our lads mental make-up?

  • 88 magscar // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:35 PM


    Spot on about the movement. Perhaps in the much vaunted training sessions triangles should be worked on repeatedly so that the man on the ball always has at least 2 options and Krul isn’t’ one of them.

    Watford’s energy was there as a basic ours was non existent.

    Like Mbemba but not sureabout giving him the Captaincy ( though he has most of the credentials) might not affect his own game too much. Colback and Krull did show some personal spirit in the 2cnd half but none of it rubbed of on their team mates.

    We have some obvious candidates on paper – De Jong, Janmatt. Sissoko etc but all come up short for one reason or another.

  • 89 Ron Knee // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:38 PM


    From the Shields Gazette, no less:

    “Make no mistake about it, McClaren was his (Carr’s) choice. Ashley, true to his word, left the decision up to the board. Charnley may have tied up the deal, but it was on Carr’s recommendation.”

  • 90 Essex Geordie Bill // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:39 PM

    Onceandfuture, all of the top teams buy older players it’s a no-brainer imo.

    And look at Leicester who got Cambiasso, who I have always rated even as a younger player, it was him who turned their season around.

    I think the Carrick shout is a good one!

  • 91 Essex Geordie Bill // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:44 PM

    I’m surprised that saying Toobrother may be right hasn’t raised a few hackles and that he hasn’t been on saying I told you all so. 😉

  • 92 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:46 PM

    well goofy could be pushed front and told to run his arse off and see if he can make a difference……i’d think tryin mbemba and lascelle…..2 young lads strong at the start of there careers lookin to impress and maybe pushing colo into dm….if it doe’snt work..its nee different to now

  • 93 HoboToon // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:48 PM

    Read this comment from above, but cant find it right now. It is interesting that you would say mbemba as a cdm. I mean im not one to play players out of position, i mean look at yanga mbiwa as a midfielder in his first few games but could mbemba do a reverse mascherano? Haha could be interesting lol

  • 94 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:50 PM

    said for a long time our players are the stupidist players in the league….never learn, never switched on and totally clueless under pressure

  • 95 cyprus // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:51 PM

    The NUFC riddle continues…

    Reading the comments, everyone is jumping on their ‘it’s obvious’ bandwagon and why don’t they, NUFC, see it.

    You know what’s obvious? All of us, within and without, are completely baffled. We should be beating these ‘inferior’ teams. We should be scoring. We should…

    Will give my ‘it’s obvious’ angle in another post.

  • 96 ilovetoon8788 // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:55 PM

    Carr is having too much say in our club now and it’s very unhealthy. he has alot made many very very poor signings and deserves the stick coming his way now.

    he was very overrated initially with picking up gems but it’s far too few and we have too many flops from him.

  • 97 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:56 PM

    the “obvious” thing is we are one of the inferior sides and are no different to these so called inferior teams so dont have the right to beat them……got to be earned…..i sometimes think the players have that attitude and thats why they get turned over by the so called inferior teams

  • 98 Mag52 // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:57 PM


    Macca is not the ginger Pardew. He is not as good a manager as AP.
    Pardew has the Indian eye over Mourinho, nothing short of a miracle will see us beating Chelsea under McClaren.
    The irony is that if Pardew had had the results over Scumderland that he achieved over a far superior team (Chelsea), he would have been hailed as a hero by those who now ended up by reviling him. Crazy eh ?

  • 99 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 20, 2015 at 12:59 PM

    Pardew couldn’t do anything with the players he had and talked shyte continuously. He was an average manager at best, who enjoyed one good period when Ba and Cisse were on fire. He was totally unsuited to this club. The club needs a root and branch clear out and it hasn’t had it yet.

  • 100 bettyswallocks // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:04 PM

    The question is could another manager provide a winning team with the current squad.
    I am hoping that McClaren has enough experience to realise the deficiencies and enough influence to be allowed to change things in January.

    He did say that he needed 10 games to decide what we need.

    A miracle springs to mind.

    I would suggest a miracle

  • 101 Graeme // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:08 PM

    Betty – it had better be a damn good miracle then mate. Not some half-arsed turning water into wine or healing the sick. It’s going to have to be a damn site better than that!!!

  • 102 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:08 PM

    Blackley and
    Sorry I rated Pardew as a decent manager and with Ba and Cisse up front then Remy and Cisse now look at Palace you can see the way he wanted to play two up front and get the ball up to them as quickly as possible.

    This wally playing Watford at HOME not F••in Real Madrid and going with 1 up front – CLUELESS

  • 103 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:10 PM

    as well as a miracle…the players needed a attitude replacement and a kick up the arse…..i think the players have to much respect for colo….truth hurts sometimes but the players need telling it and so does the captain

  • 104 solano // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:12 PM

    I’m afraid the implication in many of the posts is that Ashley has taken a back seat and let ‘underlings’ take charge. This is not true; Ashley micro manages far more than most would believe.
    The cosmetic change in the boardroom was purely political expediency and survival instinct on his part as he’d been properly targeted from the disgruntled match attending supporters for the first time in almost 7 years (via boycotts etc)
    MA’s greatest achievment is deflecting shit onto his appointments while he rakes in the riches of the Prem – whether that be Derek Dastradly, Wise, JFK, Pardew, Carver, Charnley and now (conveniently) …Graham Carr.
    In our heart of hearts, most of us know what the common denominator is and yet many choose to latch onto convenient targets; which is reality a huge indictment on what used to be an intelligent and informed demographic.
    Spending some of the money in the bank this summer did not signal a sea change in policy but a recognition that at least something had to be done to arrest the decline. It unfortunately looks far too late to reverse 7 years of rot and it is highly unlikely be followed up by subsequent investment (we may even be preparing to cut costs in anticipation of the drop by the time the January window opens if -God Forbid- we are adrift). The fact that Southampton (our gauge, apparently) appear in the top 20 European investors league table over the last 7 years, indicates far more than our first appearance in that said table. Where does the buck stop? Somewhere not quite at the top apparently.
    So, round and round the roundabout we go….

  • 105 NezzaNUFC // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:14 PM

    The problem with Newcastle with Carr and Charmless is that they see players on a financial front and not a way to improve the squad.

    Carr is the chief scout and should look at players within a team segment not individual performance.

    Look at the players we have signed this season – Chancel, Winaldum, Mitrovic, Thuavan now think did they make there last team stand out? the answer would be no.

    Ayew, Payet, Austin to name a few who we should of got are what you call stand out players, these guys work as a team and perform better with decent players around them because they work as a team,

    Newcastle are just a wage package for the players and nothing more.

    If you’s are confuse with that statement answer this for yourself –

    Would you have a team full of Jonas’s OR a team full of Cisse’s?

    My answer would be Jonas’s due to his workrate and teamwork.

  • 106 NezzaNUFC // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:17 PM


    Spot on mate.

  • 107 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:17 PM


    I just don’t get it really why couldn’t all those fans have seen the true state of this club whilst pardew was in charge?
    Why did they believe back then we had a top 8 club?
    Why back then did they insist a great manager would come in? why back then did then seem more happier with ashley than with pardew proof in the fact we didn’t set up a ashley out before the pardew out or even set it up as pardew+cashley out now?

  • 108 stuart no9 // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:21 PM

    Pardews main problem and his downfall was he never had the “likeability ‘ factor . I still think many fans on here including me would have taken to him if he hadn’t been such a nasty Cnut .

    He is horrible , talks Shyte after every game expecting us to believe , a hypocrite , attacks decent managers on the pitch , makes head butting gestures to young opposing players , arrogant , you know I could go on , but who wants a man like that to lead our great club – yea it is a great club who have been hijacked by a cancer that no club in this league should put up with . Ash is scum , pardew was no better . He had to go . Maybe relagation will see the back of this disease we’ve inherited . I hope so

  • 109 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:21 PM

    if ashley is genuine about improving the club,or like he said”make our own luck”……would he sack carr before macca and then give macca the freedom to buy who he wants in january…..or maybe thats a question for charnley??

  • 110 NezzaNUFC // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM


    If Mike was genuine about improving Newcastle, Charmless, Carr and McClaren wouldn’t be here.

    Instead we would have Koeman, Frank DB type managers here with control over players.

  • 111 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:26 PM

    the ethos of buying young and sellin at a profit has me thinkin……how many of carrs signings have been sold on for profit?

  • 112 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:26 PM


    like I said to people such as Rotanta you need to start taking back all that anti pardew stuff because palace are now proving themselves he’s better than the toon fans thought, he was doing great to begin with but then ashley sells ba making him start having to play cisse alone, those we did bring in during that europa league season were panic buys having been left without improvements when they really mattered, He also then gets an even more annoying season which sees another great player sold and nobody at all brought in, remy’s loan itself was nothing more than a panic and was certain to leave the next season.

    as we all say PALACE top half and you might as well describe morineo as crap if you base it on later seasons.

  • 113 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:30 PM

    what do you think of the coaches they’ve brought in all seem to be of good standing in the football world apparantly….if so why bring them in if he did’nt want things to improve?……would seem like a waste of time and money really?
    side note i know a nezza…..ya first names not brian is it?lol

  • 114 NezzaNUFC // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:31 PM

    For me personally and a businessman myself I would have to say Mike is not a successful businessmen in terms of running a football club.

    Even his SD is ran by shareholders and not himself alone indicates he rather let others do his dirty work and rob people of there money through false advertisements.

  • 115 solano38 // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:33 PM

    Remy won’t come back up here, Carrick’s glory days are over. Whoever thought Colo was a good defender should slap their own faces : I could breeze past him and i’m nearly 60. Carr has a lot to answer for : how could he insist on buying Thauvin (who’s a little wanker, much like HBA but without the talent) and miss out on Payet? Insist on buying Dutchmen when Holland isn’t even going to qualify for Euro? He’s made yet another lot of mistakes. Mcclaren wants to be judged after 10 games : has he seen our next fixtures?? Even if we’ll no longer be bottom, we’ll still be in the bottom three with the mackems. Jesus, what a f****g mess!!!

  • 116 NezzaNUFC // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:35 PM


    Nope but I have a Uncle called Brian though mate,

    Also I was impressed with the coaching staff well mainly Cathro and I think in my opinion that Cathro would step in when SM goes.

    But like my saying “when a master trains a student, the student will become more valuable than the master ” comes to terms.

  • 117 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:37 PM

    springy 111

    I’ve began to think now he’ll only be managing to really make a profit from a player if they were to be brought in as a free.

    The problem comes from a team which is now jam packed with mercenries or other unXP PL players, there isn’t a commander on the pitch either leaving him to do all his work alone and then comes a lack of competion due to a crapper and crapper bench.

  • 118 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:38 PM

    just watching the spurs-palace game…..when pardew was in charge we were linked with just about the full palace side!!….wonder if carr stopped them all happening as well!lol

  • 119 ilovetoon8788 // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:42 PM

    @NezzaNUFC // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM

    we refuse to bring in continental managers because Carr has too much influence in who we bring as managers. He refuses to see anyone beyond whom he is mates with.

    English managers are just simply not working at this club as quite simply english managers are very very poor. mclaren, like pardew, is just a stubborn manager who refuses to do anything that they are not used to.

    the only way is to buy players that mclaren seems fit to fit into his system.

    but the contradiction for that is Carr chooses players with better sell-on value and it’s in direct conflict with mclaren tactics.

    Plaerys like thauvin, anita, cisse, siem are just not the kind of players mclaren and pardew can work with.

  • 120 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:43 PM

    did’nt want macca as coach did see him as a good manager tbh….but i’ll give him time…have to admit im not optimistic…thought there’d be some sort of improvement but nothing changed so far

  • 121 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:44 PM

    did’nt see him as a good manager#

  • 122 ilovetoon8788 // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:45 PM

    we should have brought in players like Ayew, Gomis, Payet, Nzonzi who will take our club forward.

    but instead we are stuck with players who supposedly has better sell-on value but are absolute pants to watch. Thauvin sisokko colo anita goofran cisse are just piss poor to watch.

  • 123 Earl // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:46 PM

    Just thought id point out something in regards to proven premier league players. Have you seen watford’s transfer activity this summer:

    Sebastian Prodl – Werder Bremen
    Giedrius Arlauskis – Steaua Bucharest
    Matej Vydra – Udinese
    Jose Holebas – AS Roma
    Etienne Capoue – Spurs (no game time)
    Valon Behrami – Hamburg (wasn’t playing)
    Allan Nyom – Udinese
    Miguel Britos – Napoli
    Jose Manuel Jurado – Spartak Moscow
    Steven Berghuis – AZ Alkmaar
    Nathan Ake – Chelsea (no prem experience)
    Alessandro Diamanti – Guangzhou (didn’t play)
    Obbi Oulare – Club Brugge
    Adlene Guedioura – Crystal Palace
    Victor Ibarbo – Roma

    7 if these signings featured against Newcastle yesterday, 4 foreigners of which were in the starting line up (more than Newcastle I will add) and the whole team in general I don’t think they have many premier league appearances between them. So to suggest its all down to buying premier league quality is a little unfounded. Yes its important to have this experience but its equally down to getting the best of what you have to have at your disposal.

    Truth is either the manager isn’t doing this with his players, or the scout isn’t doing this with the funds available to him. Exactly what Watford are appearing to be doing!

  • 124 Earl // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM

    Just to add: Foreigners- I’m referring to those bought in the summer!

  • 125 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:51 PM

    23ilovetoon8788 // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:50 AM

    i was watching truegerodie channel and i have to mention he was spot on in his target of graham carr. carr has brought in so many waste of shi* to our club.

    i think he’s having too much power at the club and he brings in shi* after shi*. gouffran, anita, thauvin, sick-note siem, haidara and many more.

    it’s about time his role at the club is questioned. absolutely disgraceful recruitment by carr. sooner he gets out of our club the better.
    Old Blackley has been banging this drum for some time now.

    I now hear about links with Lacazette and think, “here we go again”. What’s wrong with strikers like Austin and Rhodes?

    Old Mr Carr buys a highly questionable winger for big money when he could have had our whole defence sorted for the same amount. When did he last spend any money on any left back, never mind a quality one?

    And this new contract for Colocinni? A two year contract! And captaincy! Any decent recruitment man would recognise that the player is an absolute joke, embarrasment and liability.

    Where is Toonbrother BTW? At first he was ridiculed about his Colo comments, then he was insulted, then he was ignored. Now it’s hard to find anyone who isn’t claiming to have agreed with him from the start.

    The club is an omnishambles run from an old people’s retirement home.

  • 126 Tsunki // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:51 PM

    Jeffs input, just today, starts off insulting a poster because of a typo. Poster holds hands up, jeff replies in conversation as if nothing happened, no apology. Now he’s on board with the Sackpardew “crowd” embarrassed Newcastle, which is rubbish, it embarrassed Ashley. Pardew is,a rubbish manager. We deserved better and I am glad the Sack Pardew thing came about. What was required was follow up pressure on Ashley and the board board make a change. So far they have issued propaganda, spent spare cash band-aiding a shotgun wound, and got a cheap and keen coaching setup. Same control, different wallpaper. Sacktheboard crowd next? I think so.

    Oh and Jeff, nobody gives one about Samoan rugby, Indian cricket , random league football from across the globe or the women’s shove ha’penny live from Stratfield Turgis so bounce off and Google somewhere else you balloon.

  • 127 NezzaNUFC // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:52 PM


    Very true mate


    I never wanted SM here and what makes things worse is that I live and work in Derby so most of my employees are Derby fans and they have fair comments about him and his style he’s trying to implement here at Newcastle but there’s also a fair few here that hate the guy because he never seems to change his formation regardless of the way they played good are bad.

    Which comes to hindsight that SM will stick to the 4231 formation regardless of how well we play or how poor which is a massive negative for us.

  • 128 Tsunki // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:53 PM

    Blackley – Carr is operating under Charnleys remit, Charnley under Ashley. Solution?

  • 129 ilovetoon8788 // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:59 PM

    @Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:51 PM

    i cannot resist to commend on your mention of Colo. yes, what were they thinking of signing up colo with 2 yr contract + captaincy which effectively ended all pursuit of a centre back.

    right now, colo is a huge liability. just look at both goals and how easily he bullied off the ball by ighalo and then deeney for the goals. all around the match he was boss around by their forwards and looks so weak.

    mclaren must have the balls to drop his captain or we are going to be in trouble. as well throw is lascelles and see what he can do, instead of persisting on colo who he knows is going to make us concede lots of goals.

  • 130 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 1:59 PM

    time will tell….. his rigidness in not changing formation could be his downfall here if thats the case….the formation works for others tho, so maybe he needs to be a bit ruthless with the players to get the best out of them……extra training dropping players for useless performances,kicking practice, corners free kicks…..or he’s on a hiding to nothing

  • 131 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:00 PM


    I can’t understand it mate, during our time in the premier league our two most sucessful managers have actually been english yep english, KK and then sir bobby robson.

    no foreign manager with great talent will come to the north east, like the foreign players they too will deem us as nothing more than a small club in the middle of the countryside, we’re miles away from your big cities like london, manchester and birmingham, they won’t know what great passion and love we have for the club all they can see is this club with a awful owner fans abaondoning games and giving up season tickets, bascially a club that is a circus. It’s sad to say these things but it’s true.

  • 132 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:01 PM

    i did’nt realise colo got 2 yr extension….thought it was only a year!!…..ffs

  • 133 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:04 PM

    We might have a big crowd but to these foreigners it’s just a large stadium to allow the crowds in having only got 3-4 teams in the whole league all 10+ miles away from each other

  • 134 NezzaNUFC // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:06 PM


    The problem with SM 4231 is that it’s to deep to create anything anywhere ( it’s basically a deep 4231 with 2 holding midfielders )

    I was watching the other games with Bournemouth ( played a 4411 with striker in the hole ), Watford, Leicester and they played a 442 system which shows it isn’t an lost tactic.

    Most of us wanted this under Pardew but he kept the 4231 formation in place.

    I fear a repeat is upon us.

  • 135 NezzaNUFC // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:09 PM

    If you have good passing players with quick wingers who can cross then by all means use the 4231 system but we don’t have both atm.

  • 136 magscar // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:09 PM


    I asked the other day why hasn’t Carr done the honorable thing and resigned instead of still taking the cash and harming our ( and his) club in the process – many expected Pardew to do that after all? No one has told me yet.

    Also asked alternatively why hasn’t he used his good offices to persuade Ashley to come up with a better transfer strategy. No one has any ideas. Seems Carr is happy just taking the money for his retirement fund.

    Ron Knee

    Been away for hour or so – thanks for Evening Gazette info.

  • 137 LGFUAD21 // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:11 PM

    I still have a little faith in Mcclaren. But “judge us after 10 games”

    Well the next 2 are city and Chelsea. So might as well chalk then two off.

    Even if he wins the two after that that’s still 2 wins in 10.

  • 138 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:14 PM

    does carr get a finders fee bonus if the club sign a player he’s recommended?…might be a daft question but was wondering

  • 139 NezzaNUFC // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:14 PM


    Against Norwich – H
    Sunderland – A

    I can see a draw against the mackems but Norwich I think will win

  • 140 lesh // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:16 PM

    Players heads going down suggests the need for a ‘mind’ coach, a sports psychologist.

    Errr, have we anyone at the Club who could do the job? Clearly not!

  • 141 NezzaNUFC // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:16 PM

    Stoke after that I see a win from them.

  • 142 The Newcastle Armchair // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:16 PM

    You could see before the game we would lose yesterday. We looked so lackadaisical it was stupendous.

    Steve won’t drop Colo as his wage is too high not to be playing.

    Similar with the 4231, he won’t switch it because Ashley wants the 5 midfielders he bought to be playing and increase value.

  • 143 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:16 PM

    isnt that steve blacks job?…..cant say its working yet like!

  • 144 Tinman // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:19 PM

    Newcastle looked hopeless yet again. We look absolutely clueless going forwards. Coloccini was dominated by Troy Deeney. Flores targeted him with the long ball and it worked… Did McClaren even have a game plan?

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  • 145 magscar // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:28 PM


    You talk about the next step for the “Sack Pardew” crowd is to target Ashley ( I seem to recall that that was in fact their stated aim last year but Pardew first?)

    I sat in the Leazes end yesterday for only ( second time since modernisation – my ST was in Gallowgate end) and was struck by the lack of atmosphere. Watford fans absolutely dominated that end.

    I have thought this before ( from my own personal experiences over the years) and yesterday reinforced my belief that it will be extremely difficult if not impossible for an anonymous group to influence sufficient of the crowd to make Ashley go. Ironically many of the once ST holders who share your wish have already given up and been replaced by others apparently less agitated.

    Yes there was a lot of disappointment and some anger but no one in hearing was sounding like they were up for a revolution – at least yet. I say this purely as a practical observation because I had long thought that the feeling expressed on here was and is still not reflected in the crowd as a collective. That I repeat is not saying “Ashley out” is wrong but no one group seems capable of marshalling such a disparate crowd of people .

    As each fan reaches their own nadir they will stop renewing but it will be a group of individual decisions not a mass coordinated protest.

  • 146 lesh // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:36 PM


    Yup, I was thinking that we’re supposed to have Black on the books. Could it be that he’s not enough to succeed in the job by himself.

    Fraid to say that the players don’t seem to have that fire in their bellies.

    Maybe we need someone who can gee the players up in the dressing room, pre-kick off, to get them fired up and go for the game as though they really want to win it? U

  • 147 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:36 PM

    Tsunki @125
    Your last paragraph to JIB. I nearly spat my coffee.

  • 148 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:39 PM

    For us to stand any chance of moving forward we need to change our approach to transfers. Carr’s stranglehold is killing us as we have zero pace in our squad apart from Obertan and Aarons. We sign players that are weak both physically and mentally and then expect them to perform in most physical league in the world.

    Under Carr we have spent £50 million this summer and the squad is no stringer or better than it was before hand.

    SM will end up like Pardew in the fact that he will be expected to produce miracles with a squad made up of misfits and rejects

  • 149 SUTTY1978 // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:39 PM

    Tinman, i predicted before they game yesterday that Deeney would dominate Colo, easy to pick that one out, he’s strong and quick. Colo cant deal with either one of those things and certainly not both. Add in that he’s good in the air and that leaves Colo absolutely goosed.

    Have to say i have always agreed with Toonbrother on Colo. perhaps not with him being responsible for every goal but for a high percentage. I’ve also said he should be dropped for Willo who would offer some aerial ability. Frankly i couldnt give a rats arse if he can play it out from the back or not, the other three defenders are more than capable of doing that. It’s not a prerequisite for defenders, being able to defend is though!

  • 150 magscar // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:41 PM

    Nezza @134

    It also allows for the full backs to push forward ( as ours do). However you need 2 things – good crossers and some one capable of taking a ball in the air ( diagonal or otherwise). Cisse isn’t good in the air and never was nor does he hold ball up. System seems designed for Mitro to me with no Plan B as yet.

    Yesterday seemed more like a 4 1 4 1 than a 4 2 3 1 then 4 1 5 with Dejong on. I haven’t been able to bring myself to watch MOTD as yet so don’t know what the pundits made of it.

    Interestingly the 1st sub in 2cnd half to warm up (and alone) was Anita and I must admit to being absolutely bamboozled at what the coaches then game plan was unless Colback was injured? In the end Aarons came on in a sort of wing back position I think.

  • 151 Ian Toon // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:42 PM

    Solano- You’ve got your core support but the common denominator line is clearly failing with the rest of us. I much preferred( as I recall) your description in the past of the beautiful game has become an obscene circus to the ( as I recall) talk of 8 year old children working on garments for a billionaire. The latter I think was just after a Panorama special.
    The common denominator is Graham Carr- it was with Pardew and already I sense with Macca. For me he has existed off the Cabaye signing for far too long. I am biased because Cabaye was my favourite player at the toon for many a long year.
    I digress. I have to say I favour the equally mature thought process of magscar who makes a less embittered case which would involve clipping Carr’s wings to meet the player specification required by Macca. Simply Carr scouts players that Macca sees as missing from the team/ squad jig saw.
    Let me also correct you on why I followed your postings around 4 years ago and became a poster. It had nothing to do with you converting me to your cause but it was the way you handled/ managed the death of Gary Speed. There was the potential for an endless debate on the moral aspects of his death rather than simply the paying of respects. I saw it that you marshalled and nipped it in the bud.
    You also strongly reminded the blog to get back to NUFC football related debate. You were right then and would be now.
    We’re in an appalling, dire state on the football side – please put the politics to one side and practice what you preached.

  • 152 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:42 PM

    start with Obertarn and Aarons on each wing with Mit up front against Chelsea get doon the wings and sling the ball into the box
    Got nowt to loose at least have ago

  • 153 SUTTY1978 // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:44 PM

    The most damning statement about Carr’s scouting ability is that McClaren claimed we gave Colo a new contract because we couldnt find a better CB. Just think about that for a minute.

  • 154 Jib // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:44 PM

    Blooming heck
    Blackley and Tsunki high fiveing
    Reminiscent of Stalin and Hitler in 1939

  • 155 lochinvar // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:45 PM

    Costa v Mitrovic
    Anyone like to predict which round will produce the knockout ?

  • 156 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:45 PM

    The atmosphere was so much better before Ashley moved everyone to break up the singing and quell the dissent. Instead of further energising the atmosphere, the club sought to enervate it. Which other club would seek to sabotage its own support?

  • 157 Jib // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:48 PM

    Which is Tsunki which one Blackley ?

  • 158 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:48 PM


    The sad thing is that Mitrovic cannot be trusted as he’s a total nutcase, something any decent scout would have known before blowing £12 million on him ( chalk him up as another Carr error). Obertan cannot cross the ball, Aarons is an unknown quantity but can’t be any worse than Sissoko and Thauvin.

    The reality is that Coldback, Sissoko, Colo, Haidara and Cisse should all be dropped as not one of them justifies their place in the side, but saying that our formation and set up simply does not work

  • 159 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:49 PM

    Come on. You’ve got to agree it was funny. Much funnier than your response in fact.

  • 160 Jib // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:50 PM

    The battle will be between Daryl and Diego

  • 161 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Sep 20, 2015 at 2:52 PM

    Could have a sweepstake on which Mitrovic.
    Which minute he will get booked
    which he will get sent off
    and not booked or sent off

  • 162 magscar // Sep 20, 2015 at 3:12 PM


    Yeah I realised that and it is something fan’s forum should work on . A I said I sat for years in Gallowgate but had some mates who sat in level 7 and they used to say that back then there weren’t many around them who made noise.

    Where I used to sit I knew no one at first in what was then new stand and i came of waiting list before my mates. however most were vociferous but it was in the good times of KK. Later under Daglish etc the voices weren’t as encouraging!

    I could hear some noise from Gallowgate yesterday after we scored and crowd generally lifted but Watford fans still dominated in Leazes.

    Although I don’t like sitting up there ( used mates ticket once) the roof and level seem to naturally escalate the noise especially of away fans who are usually more noisy and congregated than home support.

    I don’t think we are the only club to suffer from a lack of atmosphere for large parts of the game when we are struggling but it should be something to be improved on.

  • 163 Dondatta13 // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:32 PM

    With the ills of this regimes reign dragging on year after year after year its hardly surprising that a turn around will take time.

    After last season the majority were crying out for a new manger and a complete overhaul of the coaching staff.

    We have had that vital change and, in time we will reap the rewards.

    Players will unfortunately take time to settle into this new training and coaching philosophyand for some a new league. You cannot simply change the mind set in a few weeks, given whats went on previously.

    A change of system may be needed though. 442 or 433 because 2 dfm and one up top snt working because we dont have the personnel to play that way but again SM doesn’t know his best team yet…. He needs time im affraid.

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