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Newcastle Player Really Sad About Losing Again

3:58 pm, Sunday, September 20th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 133 Comments

We were very pleased to see 22 year-old Spanish U20 International Ayoze Perez start for Newcastle yesterday, but we lost the game in the first half and just like at West Ham on Monday night we conceded in the first 10 minutes.

Both first half displays in our last two games have cost us the game, and Newcastle must start much better against Chelsea in the late kick-off game next Saturday.

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Ayoze Perez – disappointed at the final whistle

Before the Chelsea game we entertain Sheffield Wednesday on Wednesday night in the League Cup and that´s a good time to see our fringe players put in their claim for a start against Chelsea.

Ayoze was pleased to start the game yesterday, but he was upset the lads lost again.

This is what he has said on the Newcastle web-site:

“We are really sad because it is another game that we have lost, and it is not what we wanted to happen.” “In the first half we deserved what happened. We improved in the second half but it wasn’t good enough.”

“I don’t know why it is not happening at the moment but we have to stay together and take our quality onto the pitch. During the week we can see a lot of quality in training but we have
to do it in matches.”

“I hope it happens soon, and we have to keep working towards this. If we keep working hard then it is not too far away, I’m sure.” “I was pleased to start the game but I cannot be happy because we lost.”

“We weren’t good enough and we have to try to get points as soon as possible.”

Newcastle have four new players in the side and McClaren and his coaching staff are new at Newcastle – so that´s one reason we  have started slowly.

But other managers have got off to great starts at their news clubs – and they include Quique Sanchez Flores at Watford, Claudio Ranieri at Leicester City, and Alan Pardew has already built a good side at Crystal Palace after joining them in January.

We have to remain patient and trust that McClaren and his coaching staff – along with the players – can turn this thing around.

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  • 1 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:04 PM

    We are carrying far too many passengers. The likes of Coldback, Sissoko, Haidara, Thauvin, Cisse, Colo etc etc etc have us on the back foot before a ball is kicked, added to that the formation simply doesn’t work it’s no wonder we are already in full panic mode.

    And the question has to be asked as to why we will look to add the players in January we’ve needed for longer than I can remember?

  • 2 cyprus // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:07 PM

    Ayoze: “Who do I blame? Well, I don’t know is the absolute truth, as is the case I believe for all of us, including the insiders.”

    Cyprus: “I don’t know why it is not happening at the moment…”

    Or is it the other way around?

    You can’t blame all the players, unfair on the rest of us. Pick one.

  • 3 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:09 PM

    lesh(if your still there)
    ref;to gettin them wound up before a game….how about true geordie!lol
    theres no fear factor, just think they just show and play no fear of a bollickin or gettin dropped

  • 4 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:10 PM


    Only trying to be fair and share the love around 🙂

    And in truth, for the most part they are all crap

  • 5 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:12 PM


    He is doing no different to what fans do when picking out 1 player, we have had 3 years of fans putting 99% of the team performance in recent years on just 1 man pardew. When referees don’t give a penelty and send players off, it’s that which will dominate a story leading to a defeat.

    Alan shearers full quote can clearly state he’s talking about them as a whole

    “They are at home and you’d expect them to come out, roll their sleeves up and have a right good go.

    “I looked at Newcastle and thought: ‘No chance’.
    “There wasn’t enough there at all.

    “Before anybody has a pop at me Watford were better from start to finish.

    “They were better all over the park.

    “Deeney and Ighalo were superb and dominated the back four.

    cisse and thauvin themselves only seem a bigger target because they are stand out points, turning thauvin up in a tuxedo every single match and as our main striker ATM cisse is like a statue.

    as for that question
    that is not so much a question it’s a way of stating that shearer himself has put enough effort into his early life to become this great goal scoring geordie whilst geordies like myself and yourself are just the everyday person who watches them.

  • 6 cyprus // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:12 PM


  • 7 toon22 // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:13 PM

    Our problem is we dont actually have a team,we have a bunch of players bought with selling them on in mind.
    Good treams have a solid backbone of players who dont have to be world beaters with a couple of so called purples added.Us on the other hand have lots of “hope we can sell this one for a massive profit”maybes.

  • 8 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:14 PM

    just watch southampton goal against manure and that sums it up how much speed is missing from our team, cisse would have just stood still there .

  • 9 Jib // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:14 PM

    Blooming heck DeGea nearly got the second shot !!!

  • 10 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:14 PM

    will be interested to see who plays cb and cm on wed…..with williamson,taylor,dummet and tiote all injured and the fact we play chelsea sat i wonder if he’ll stick non 1st teamers in or keep playing the 1st team to try and get a response and build some confidence

  • 11 Ian Toon // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:17 PM

    toonking- Height, power and pace.

  • 12 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:21 PM


    After the West Ham defeat “Newcastle may as well have had ten men in the pitch as Cisse was woeful”

    Similar comments about Thauvin as well.

    The reality is that these two players are a very small part of what is wrong at the club, they are two players he singled out when there were at least nine players who were shameful in their performances and should be embarrassed, so if he’s gonna come out with comments like that then give the full picture and don’t single out one or two or he loses credibility.

    And what has Thauvins dress sense have to do with anything? Mbema did the same thing at the Southampton game without it being an issue!

    As for what Shearer has done as a player? I don’t care as he’s now a pundit with a voice and should give a true unbiased view and if was doing that he wouldn’t be singling out one or two players

  • 13 magscar // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:21 PM

    See the Chronicle on Newsnow ( Sunday Sun?) is reporting from SKY’s Sunday Supplement and worryingly one Journalist apparently has named Tiote as being poison in dressing room and that they can’t shift him and others because of wages.

    Not surprised at the latter as have been mentioning that as a problem in shifting out those most would like to see the back of.

    Perhaps the time is fast approaching for some free transfers ala Joey Barton? We can all see we have serious problems despite increased spending and new coaches but there are other issued still to be resolved.

  • 14 Jib // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:22 PM

    Sturridge just did the most blatant dive in the Norwich box – refs have to start booking players for it.

  • 15 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM


    We have a mute, static captain, a winger who wants to player Champions league but performs like a championship player, a striker who doesn’t want to be here and a midfield littered with players who are only capable of four yard sideways passes. We are not a team but a collection of misfits and reject

  • 16 toon22 // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:35 PM

    I would agree JackButler

    Those misfits were similar at there previous clubs and were bought with the notion we could turn a good profit on them.

    Have we had a worse LB in the last 10 years?
    Exactly why did Colo get a contract?
    Why is Cisse still here?
    And most of all exatcly why did MA apoint SMC ?

    We might spend another 100 million but we will get more of the same as what we have,we would do better to buy the whole of the Watford team.

    Untill MA goes things will always be this way.

  • 17 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:36 PM

    shearer blaming the same person well why don’t you take a look at these

    JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    “The disappointing thing about the second-half is that we didn’t get hold of the ball or create a chance to get the winning goal”

    No so much disappointing Mr. Pardew as much as it’s been the norm all season under you, we are only capable of putting in 45 minuet performances

    JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    We can all name dozen’s of managers that we think would be better than Pardew, but the fact remains that unless Ashley can see that we need a change then we face another season of excuses and poor football.
    We have the 20th richest club in europe but have a management and coaching team straight out of Sunday league

    JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 12:53 PM


    Martinez may play nice flowing football, but he’s had Wigan involved in a relegation battle every year and seems incapable of finding a blend between good attacking football and solid defensive performances, but he’d still be a better option to Pardew who has us set up with little attacking flair and one of the worst defensive set ups in the league

    JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 1:43 PM


    Whereas I agree with what you are saying, it’s bloody hard when we are being served up poor to average football every week.
    We can’t say that we have lost form as we have been playing this way all season long and have failed at every turn when we’ve had the opportunity to push away from the bottom half of the league.
    Tactically Pardew continues to make glaring mistakes that cost us every game and for most the time has come when we simply can’t take anymore. If we don’t voice our concern’s, worries, then nothing is going to change.
    We have a chancer in charge as manager who needs to go asap or this once great club will fall away again.

    each and everyone of these posts reveal you act no different yourself whilst pardew was in charge mate

  • 18 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:37 PM

    why didn’t you seem to get to grips with the fact pardew was just a small pardew of the complete shambles.

  • 19 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:38 PM

    small part

  • 20 croftus5678 // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:42 PM

    i cant stand this jumping on the bandwagon because a former pro has said this and that about a player as we should open our eyes and make our own judgement !

    hairdryer gave away the ball that led to the second goal which is fair enough a mistake from a young lad and he should have done better and known but tbh its the only mistake i see him make all game and was largely great at defending and attacking up and down the wings all game.

    janmaat has a better delivery than hairdyer but if we are looking to compare the two he made just as many if not more mistakes defensively by turning his back for the goal and on other occasions in that game.

    if i was to put a weak link that was at fault for both goals and which could have led to 1 or 2 more on watfords part if i’m honest it was colo ! he mark’s space and not a man or even goes to the man when he has the ball as he just backs off and lets them shoot or pass.

    also the calling of thauvin is another jump on the bandwagon imo as he was great once he got into the game ! he had a good shot or 2 and got the ball into the right area of the box its just the player that was there did not go for it and stood outside the box still at the time.

    imo siem should be played as a striker in place of cisse as a no9 and wijnaldum needs to be played as a cm not a no10 or acm as he was kinda disapointing.

  • 21 SUTTY1978 // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:44 PM

    Someone in Man U’s coaching team is decent at coming up with inventive set’ll never get better than the looped ball to Willo at the back stick I’m afraid

  • 22 Graeme // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:50 PM

    Magscar @ 13 is this the Chronicle Article you mentioned??

  • 23 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Sep 20, 2015 at 4:53 PM

    Agree Tauvin started slowly had a decent second half as well as his shots he tried a couple of chips over the top which we were slow to react to and could not get on the end of.
    Problem people have there favourite players who can do no wrong and players they dislike and even if they have a decent game say they were crap

  • 24 JamesToon // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:00 PM

    My evaluation of the squad:

    Krul-good keeper
    Darlow-Decent and has potential and ready made replacement for krul
    elliot-pardew’s lover boy couldn’t care less if we got rid of him

    janmaat-top class player and is a leader (apart from his red card)
    mbemba-been decent so far
    coloccini-past it and shouldn’t be captain
    Taylor-Seems to be alright, sometimes makes mistakes but knows what it means to pull on a black & white shirt
    Williamson-Do i need to say anything
    Lascelles-Unproven, but seems to have good potential, would like to see him get a run out against chelsea
    haidara-proved that he hasn’t got the quality made far too many errors
    dummett-don’t think he’s good enough to be a LB, maybe a CV

    wijnaldum-was anonymous yesterday but will come good
    colback-puts a shift in but just cannot play as a lone holding MF
    anita-too light weight and again cannot play as a lone holding MF
    tiote-Unfit, lost his pace, but on his day is our best ball winning MF
    Thauvin-Again unproven, hard to tell whether he’s going to come good
    Obertan-headless chicken
    Sissoko-headless chicken
    De Jong-Always injured, but seems to have the intelligence and reads the game well
    Gouffran-Ruined by pardew
    Marveaux-Ruined by pardew
    Aarons-Has massive potential but needs to be nurtured and stop being played at left back

    Mitrovic-I believe he will come good, can lead the line, and is passionate
    Cisse-Doesn’t care, good at poaching goals but awful in build up play
    Perez-Works hard, Agile and skilful but needs good players round him, cannot do it all on his own
    Riviere-Injured, was awful last year
    Toney-unproven, came from northampton has potential.

    Squad still needs majorly overhauling, and needs so much more PREM PROVEN quality and experience.

    Biggest weakness for me is the midfield which has to be one of the most unbalanced midfields in the prem. We’ve got one out and out ball winner in tiote, 2 grafter/sweeper’s who are way too lightweight in colback and anita, a double 6 MF in wijnaldum, and a box to box/winger in sissoko, THERE IS NO DEDICATED PLAYMAKER

    Wingers is also a problem, we don’t seem to have a quality out and out winger, i think thauvin is more of a wide playmaker, aarons is still developing, sissoko is just an athlete and cannot deliver a good ball, obertan/marveaux/gouffran are useless, we don’t have enough wingers who have the intelligence to create angles and create 2 v 1, 3 v 2 situations.

    I also think theres a worrying lack of pace, you could say perez is quick but he’s more one to come deep, we don’t have a rapid striker who will play on the last shoulder.

    Left back is a major weakness as well, 2 of our LBs just don’t have the quality, not one can deliver a good cross, haidara is good at getting forward but his end product is so bad.

    Another £50m needs to be spent in january on at least:
    1x CB
    1x LB
    1x CM
    1x ST

  • 25 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:06 PM

    For me one of our main problems these days is Graham Carr .

    Yes he pulls out a few gems like Perez & Janmaat, but he highly recommends someone like Thuavin when the likes of Payet and even Sakho from the Championship look much better players .

  • 26 bladeuser // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:10 PM

    U r right shearer should not pick on two players for critisism I will help him out they r all overpayed shit players and r the worst team in the epl and that includes the scum
    S Mac out soon

  • 27 JamesToon // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:10 PM

    from January to the next summer window(if we are still in the Prem) we need to buy players go build a quality and experienced spine in the squad, I would buy:
    • Ryan Shawcross
    • Jeffrey Schlupp
    • Victor Wanyama
    • Jonjo Shelvey
    • Yannick Bolasie
    • Callum Wilson
    • Charlie Austin
    Those 7 players will cost around £100m but they are what we need

  • 28 JamesToon // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:11 PM

    But due to the start of the season or how it looks like the season will pan out, I can’t see any of those players wanting to come

  • 29 Ian Toon // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:14 PM

    magscar- I have read your report on the game and was at the WHU game and had thought we would beat Watford. Although the second half showing was far better we still look poor and bare a strong resemblance to the stuttering team under Carver. Macca is under pressure now because the players look anything but a team that is gelling and playing with confidence. Watford had 15 new signings and also under a new manager looked far better organised.
    Your comment on Tiote, is illustrative of other teams not wanting the players we want to sell. Ashley should have cleared the decks of the baggage if necessary at a loss in order to assemble a stronger squad. This would have enabled Macca to insist that Carr should bring in more Premier League experience or players who are at least equipped physically for the league. The Manager does seem to have had this resisted.We could have signed the likes of Austin, Moses and Payet. Together with a dominant CB. Payet looks a superb signing and at a reasonable price.
    Irrespective of the forthcoming fixtures being against Chelsea and ManC we do need to approach the games in the manner of our second half showing yesterday. Macca needs to play Perez, Thauvin/ Aarons, de Jong and Sissoko in centre midfield. Haidara was at fault for the first goal and defensively looks a weakness but what are the alternatives. Your comments on the crowd were echoed by family members who said there was a nervousness until well into the second half.

  • 30 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:15 PM

    Also Anita & Colback have to be two of the biggest pushovers in a PL midfield . How are they supposed to up against the likes of Kouyate, Song & Wanyama .

    I have been a big critic of Tiote in the past but at least he has a bit of tenacity. Also De Jong needs to start games if we want to score as we are badly lacking Cabaye’s creativity STILL .

    Also 4-2-3-1 isn’t working especially with Perez or Cisse leading the line .

  • 31 WWSBRD // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:17 PM

    Ud severely struggle to buy them

  • 32 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:18 PM


    It’s hard not to pick out more than 1 or 2 if we don’t want to admit we’re just not this decent team everyone made us out to be, my take on it is they generally all crap players but at this moment in time it’s cisse statue like game, thauvin’s slow weak cabella like game and colo’s poor leadership that stand out most of all but generally speaking the squad is the strength of a relegation battling team.

  • 33 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:20 PM

    Carr has scouted alot of players some whom have gone to different clubs and are doing really great!

    Some we have signed who are not producing…

    The main difference I am seeing is those who we haven’t signed that are doing great are playing at a club who are playing well!

    Those who have come here have joined a lousy club…with an average manager replaced with an equally average manager!

    The system at Newcastle from top to bottom is definitely flawed. But we keep on doing the same mistakes – in not buying what we need but what seems to be an investment.

  • 34 Jib // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:30 PM

    For those who were shouting the odds about him Virgil van Dijk is having a nightmare against ManU – he looks shyte

  • 35 hibbit // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:33 PM

    just watched Mc’s sky interview it made he want to vomit the way smirked his way through it loosing any faith i had in him…….. judge me on 10 fist game’s that’s going to be easy with 2 points

  • 36 Komag // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:35 PM

    Colback out.

  • 37 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:38 PM

    spot on

  • 38 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:41 PM


    First of all, how very sad if you to go back TWO YEARS to try and find a post to justify you being right and me being wrong, but there you go it takes all kinds I guess, but if I may I will retort –

    All those post you so laboriously dug up deal with my opinion of Pardew, the man at the helm of the team at the time, but there are plenty of posts about Ashley and Charnley being the main issue at the club if you wish to take a peek, but don’t let that get in the way of you trying to twist things to suit your weak argument. My point all along is that Shearer is/was wrong to single out just two players when the entire team is at fault, yes both Cisse and Thauvin have been very, very poor, but so have Sissoko, Coldback, Colo, Haidara etc etc etc. So why single out just two players when the whole club is broken? Would replacing those two player alter the results or performances of late?

    Anyway, no doubt you’ll be off now to dig through the past seven or eight years of posts in the hope of finding a way to prove yourself right, well, I’ll save you the bother.

    I Jack Butker, am wrong, I have always been wrong and no doubt I will always be wrong, Toonking has proven this beyond a shadow of a doubt and I kneel to his greater intellect and understanding on all things relegated to Newcastle United Football Club. I am simply humbled to be able to post on the same blog as the afore mentioned Toonking and I wish it to be known to all who may read this that from this point onward, I defer to his greater knowledge and insight and I will forever agree with his opinion, no matter what that opinion may be.

    There you go should save you an hour or so of old posts

  • 39 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    hibbit…didn’t Pardew always say something similar?

  • 40 will die for the toon army // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM

    I think its Mcca who doesnt know his team yet, it takes time but he will get going we have good players jst dont know how to use them.

    Cisse and Tiote shld leave our club in January. do Pardew style send them to the reserves.

    We r not good at defending never had been so we shld attack attack attack. 4-4-2.


    De Jong not there yet.

  • 41 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:44 PM

    sell cisse now to the emirates for me

  • 42 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:44 PM

    or whatever transfer window open!

  • 43 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:47 PM


    yeap…. ow he will be judged…. 10 games 0 wins. I put 1000 quid on it.

  • 44 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    there a realistic chance of that happening!!

  • 45 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    will die …you are right it takes time to get to know your players just look at WHam and Leicester 😉

  • 46 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    Looks like Martial was worth it suppose two goals….

    Amazed we spent 50 mill on shite mostly…

  • 47 magscar // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:50 PM


    I see what you are saying but problem is we only really know which players were on his list from those we signed and where we know for sure bids were turned down. The rest is newspaper speculation which you can believe or not as the club don’t give out trailers as to who they are/were after.

    I still have issues with the fact some of the signings were actually on the list at all given what the squad needed.


    yes that was the article ( not good at posting URL’s) Thanks.

    This is the article for those who can’t access it.

    15:39, 20 September 2015
    By Chris Waugh

    John Richardson has been scathing in his criticism of Newcastle United – singling out Cheick Tiote as a ‘bad egg

    There is ‘a lot of poison’ in the Newcastle United dressing room, claims John Richardson – with the Express writer alleging that Cheick Tiote is one of a number of ‘bad eggs’ at the club.

    Pundits on Sky Sports’ Sunday Supplement were falling over themselves to stick the boot into the hapless Magpies, who are second bottom of the Premier League with just two points from their opening six matches.

    Steve McClaren is yet to claim a league victory as Newcastle boss and he saw his side completely outplayed as they succumbed to a 2-1 home defeat to newly-promoted Watford on Saturday.

    As well as describing some of United’s defending as “pathetic” against the Hornets, Richardson also singled out Tiote as one of the “bad eggs” who he believes are ruining the club from within.

    Richardson said: “The (Newcastle) dressing room – basically I know there’s a few bad eggs in there.

    “Steve McClaren knows who they are, he wants to get them out, but it’s harder to do that because they’re on bloated wages. Basically there’s a lot of poison there.

    “Yes I do (know who the bad eggs are).

    “Yes I can say who one of them is: one of them is Cheick Tiote.

    “Tiote, who has supposedly been unfit all season. Newcastle keep sending him for checks and scans – nothing ever comes up.

    “He’s obviously not bothered, he doesn’t want to play.

    “There’s other players there of the same ilk and until something happens the club is not going to move on.”

    The Telegraph’s Matt Law and The Mail on Sunday’s Rob Draper were equally scathing in their criticism of Newcastle – with every aspect of the club just about torn to shreds.

    John Richardson entire transcript from Sunday Supplement:

    “It’s depressing – depressing for the area. I feel sorry for the fans – 50,000 turn up at Newcastle, 45,000 turn up at Sunderland. They deserve better.

    “(Newcastle) brought in Steve McClaren, who we all know is a top-class coach. So everything was in order.

    “But I’m afraid that, although some of the buys have been okay – (Georginio) Wijnaldum, top player, a lot of clubs were looking at him – there’s something missing in the dressing room.

    “There’s a lot of players there who aren’t up for the cause.

    “I’m afraid, I know it sounds a bit of a cliché, but most of them are foreign players who don’t really care.

    “They’re just passing by. They’re just basically mercenaries.

    “It’s not their fault, they’ve been asked to go to Newcastle.

    “They’ve gone in there, the dressing room basically I know there’s a few bad eggs in there.

    “Steve McClaren knows who they are, he wants to get them out, but it’s harder to do that because they’re on bloated wages. Basically there’s a lot of poison there.

    “Yes I do (know who the bad eggs are). Yes I can say who one of them is: one of them is Cheick Tiote.

    “Tiote, who has supposedly been unfit all season. Newcastle keep sending him for checks and scans – nothing ever comes up.

    “He’s obviously not bothered, he doesn’t want to play.

    “There’s other players there of the same ilk and until something happens the club is not going to move on.

    “We were talking about Mark Noble earlier and he’s exactly the sort of player they need – they need a British heart.

    “They need players who care about the club. They’ve got (Jack) Colback, but they haven’t got too many of them.

    “They’ve got too many players who go missing on the big occasion.

    “I mean some of the defending against Watford was absolutely pathetic.

    “Newcastle fans are fed up of this. They want action. But nobody can point the finger at Mike Ashley this time.

    “You’ve got to say it’s the football people in charge there. It’s bad recruitment – that’s got to improve.

    “Steve McClaren I think has got to have a bigger say in who comes in because, after all, he’s coaching them.

    Yes I know that the Express isn’t our preferred written media partner but Richardson didn’t seem to have an axe to grind with Ashley himself on this occasion.

    Have to disappear again – Bye

  • 48 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:52 PM


    That’s just simple minded logic mate 🙂 he’s a good younger player playing for a great team. It tends to bring out the best in players.

  • 49 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:54 PM

    If this whole Tiote is ruining the dressing room story was true then SM would not have him, or anyone else for that matter anywhere near the first team squad in training or on match days, this is another examp,e of the press having creative licence with an idea that turns out to be a story

  • 50 terencelim // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:54 PM

    Ashley OUT

  • 51 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:55 PM

    I think its time to be very realistic.

    If January does not supply us with 6 new players in various positions. We are def going down for sure, no doubt in my mind.

    MC does not give confidence to the players. Our must win game and easiest game of the season and we play like we are playing Barcelona away. Woeful and disgraceful and shouts 0 confidence and self belief.

    in 10 games time if we have 0 wins which I am sure we won’t. If we don’t sack McLaren we for sure will be relegated.

    Should have been a coach from the continent. I kept quiet wanted to see what we got from McLaren first. Think I have seen enough.

    Players we got do not help the man truthfully. With current squad the only thing we can play truthfully is 442 or 451 and hope for the best.

    I would play Aarons and Cissoko both LM and RM to get the pace.

    I would drop Thauvin and sell him ASAP total rubbish and waste of resources.

    I would seriously look into the Bundesliga and Serie A for some players also the Spanish league.

  • 52 croftus5678 // Sep 20, 2015 at 5:56 PM

    i’d have to agree with some on here with reguards to cisse and tiote going !

    i was one of those saying not to get rid of cisse esp for 3mil as quoted ! his form last season was on par with the best in the prem and his all round play had improved a lot with him holding the ball up and making himself available and even closing the ball down which was my reasoning at the time.

    now however he seems to have lost everything including the luck that makes him score the majority of his goals and if his good season bad season good season carries on then this season is his turn for a bad one and we can not afford that.

    from the games he’s played so far in honesty i would have even prefered river to him as atleast he gives strength and availability/movement which cisse has not.

    i’ll soon be changing my tune though if he does start scoring again !

    same with tiote as far too many silly mistakes and colo lol.

  • 53 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:00 PM


    What’s starting to worry me with SM is that with how poor Cisse has been, he’s still getting a place in the side, same thing with Coldback and Sissoko, and a few more to be honest, they don’t deserve to play or even be in the squad as they offer nothing

  • 54 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    Thauvin was so poor I don’t know if anybody observed the match.

    No pace, poor choice of decision, poor crosser, poor worker, average control. Some ppl were right to call him Cabella 2 and I actually did not mind Cabella all that much.

    We need CM with pace, we don’t have any, we need wingers with extreme pace, we have one, Aarons but he is a kid and an unfinished product.

    We need a ST with pace we don’t have him.

    Today modern game is like the game FIFA if you can outsprint you can beat your player with not much skill. All sides have em we don’t.


  • 55 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:04 PM


    Carr has never gone for pace, same as the vast majority of his signings have no physical presence either.

    That £50 million would have been better spent on Euro lottery tickets in the hope of wining the jackpot and buying Ashley out.

  • 56 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:05 PM

    i dont think sissoko and haidara are as bad as some think..yes the not world beaters or in sissoko’s case think he’s champions league but they like everyone else is so inconsistent

  • 57 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:07 PM


    Mate I beg to differ. Haidara is probably the worst LB I have seen in a while. He was a rotation player how he became no one choice is beside me.

    Bad going forward, bad going back, poor crosser, poor tackler. Young so he kind of has pace but not too much.

    Cissoko is completely inconsistent true, but when on form he is at least good.

  • 58 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:09 PM

    thauvins had a few games in a poor side..lacking confidence,didnt think he was that bad yesterday myself…what he was tryin did’nt come off but that could be just gettin used to other players…but at least he was tryin

  • 59 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:11 PM

    thats fair enough thats your opinion….who would you have there now?

  • 60 Jail for Ashley // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:12 PM

    Ha ha,
    “Nobody can point the finger at Mikey this time”.
    He hires an ex admin guy, an after dinner speaker along with two mates from York of whom ones highest level was a stint in division four, the other a sacked Championship manager and puts them in charge of recruitment, not because of their outstanding ability but their willingness to carry out his orders.

  • 61 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:13 PM

    magscar…those players we have bought this summer have been top players (young) but top players in Europe!

    No doubt the money spend should have been better spend or simply more should have been spend seeing as we haven’t brought in what was needed.

    Beside this our main problem seems to be we don’t get the mixture right…we need English players (home rule) of top standard, players with PL experience and gems from around the world.

    Basically we need players of a certain standard. But we have seen what they cost if they are British or have PL experience. That’s our main or secondary problem I think

  • 62 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:14 PM


    unfortunately we don’t have choice. Plus what left footed player we have for there?

  • 63 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:15 PM


    Sissoko is closer to the championship than champions league, his inconsistent displays are down to his attitude, he truly believes he’s a world beater when in fact he’s below average for us. If he thinks he should be playing for a top four side you’d think he’d be putting in the performances to ignite their interest in signing him as it stand no top four side would touch him

  • 64 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:15 PM

    haidara did drop a bollick for the goal thats fair enough…but he’s young and will learn….colo and mbemba were at fault for the second goal….mbemba has’nt been mentioned…colo has but he was poor all game…very weak and slow to close down…everybody drops a bollick now and again

  • 65 croftus5678 // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:16 PM

    @53 jb

    maybe he’s waiting for cisse to hit form ! it may be a confidence thing but if it was me i wouldnt play him ! however what are his other choices ? perez or siem imo.

    colback is a very hard worker and normally does a great job imo (i admit watford game he was very poor) i dont think he’s strong enough for a dm though and tbf i dont like any dm’s as its a wasted position imo they are either cb’s or cm’s (box to box) and colback is a busy lots of energy always available has a bit of everything type of cm like sunderland used to play him.

    sissoko imo has been one of the most effective players we have with his speed and strength working well in attack and defence ! his tracking back esp on teams that counter against us stops them from having a straight run at goal and he tends to always be another player in attack when we do push on !
    no matter what game it is you can not miss him ! others fade into not even noticing them but you cant say that about sissoko as everyone on the pitch knows he’s there.

  • 66 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:17 PM


    Ashley is still the pantomime villain, it’s just he’s now hiding backstage. He’s still in charge, he’s still pulling the string, his approach now is to calm the feisty locals down by telling them he’s no longer involved and like that, people buy it hook line and sink

  • 67 SPRINGY // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:20 PM

    i meant to say sissoko thinks he’s a champions league player not me….personally due his inability to put run of consistently good games in he’s at the level he deserves…..mid to lower half of the premier league….his attitude is less

  • 68 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:20 PM

    West Ham in Payet sign the biggest chance creator in Europe whereas we pay almost the same for Thuavin who was voted in the worst Ligue 1 side last year .

    Work that one out .

  • 69 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:21 PM


    100% agree.

    on an aide love how Kagawa is blossoming again for Borussia.

  • 70 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:22 PM

    Big Pappa Cissé

    aahhaahahah exactly

  • 71 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:23 PM


    Coldback does work hard but that’s not enough in the modern game, he’s to one dimensional for me, he’s not a true DM, nor is he a box to box player and so where do you fit him into our system ( which isn’t working imo)

    Same with Sissoko, he never take charge of the game, I know it’s harder to do so on the wing, but he has the ability but lacks the right attitude imo. Thauvin is a waste of money and I’m still amazed we paid out that much on a lad that has been woeful for the past eighteen month, especially when no other club wanted him???

    I could go on with Colo, Haidara, Cisse, Krul but it’s too bloody depressing tbh

  • 72 Rotonda heights // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:26 PM


    has barton not been relegated twice already now

  • 73 Munster Mag // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:28 PM

    Has carr got a mistress in france or something. As i have said already, this man is the biggest problem in the club

  • 74 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:28 PM

    I think for most fans the alarm bells would have been going off the day Colo was offered a new deal and was given the armband again.

    Nothing says “rotton to the core” like offering the captaincy to a man that did everything he could to force a move away and is four years past his best

  • 75 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:31 PM


    shearer could well have said how poor every player was but their only a limited amount of time for him to make his points and theres just no denying that at this minute in time cisse is one of those players who is a big talking point, he might have made a small point about thauvin and a tukedo but that is more or less a shorter way of him talking all about the full state of our players, the amount of mercuneries and there attitudes.

    croftus has likely smmed it up best and if we don’t point the target to 1 or 2 players in perticular then how else do we go about it other than now admitting this club is a relegation battling club?

  • 76 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:33 PM

    JB spot on mate spot on.

    I was in total disbelief. I still am. Old,rusty,slow,poor.

  • 77 Munster Mag // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:33 PM

    Jack i have been trying ro explain to ibiza what the issue is with carr. The man has decided on our players, to pardews detriment, and the new manager. And he fills our team / squad with soft paceless wasters

  • 78 croftus5678 // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:35 PM

    @74 jb

    correct imo that was a very very bad call esp in hindsight ! most was saying it mid way through last season and we had slight hope that macca could improve him but sadly its not meant to be and imo when saylors fit as much as i dont like saylor and his no brain approach i’d put saylor/mbemba as main cb’s for now anyways.

    and fair enough on thau/siss/colb we all see things our own way.

  • 79 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:36 PM

    I don’t think there are players out there who give a damn about NUFC.

    Merceneries for sure…possibly funny enough Mitro who always wanted to play here and Perez. Rest could not give a damn.

  • 80 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:38 PM

    Great player who we should sign aboubakar from Porto fast skilful.

  • 81 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:40 PM


    By pointing the finger at the true cause of the clubs problems.

    Highlight Thauvin, highlight Cisse, drop them both, make them play with the kids, hell, do what you want with them, the problem remains and will not go away by simp,y singling out TWO players.

    We are not in this position because of two players, we are in this position because of the way we are run from top to bottom.

    Thauvin was a waste of money, a lot of fans on here, myself included said so at the time as we’ve watched the lad for the past few seasons, every man and his dog knows Cisse wants away and yet he still get a place in the side.

    They are not the problem, Ashley, Charnley and Carr are the problem, we all know this so what does the mighty Shearer achieve by attacking two players when the whole entire bloody club is rotten?

  • 82 Munster Mag // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:42 PM

    When smc made colo his captain it was a dreadful error. I wonder who pushed this decision. Smc was only in the club a few weeks. Who knows, Carr again. That may be unfair but for sure old man carr has now been exposed as a useless scout. We cant hang charnley. He worked hard in the summer to nail some difficult deals. Its the quality and type of players that is a serious worry and the fact that we didnt make a rigourous analytical choice when it came to choosing a manager. And the common denominator here? Old man Carr – our defacto DOF and hero of Fat Man.

  • 83 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:45 PM


    What’s worrying is that Colo has a new deal to sit back and get lazy on, plus he gets the armband, there is a far greater issue with this club than the players who wear our shirt.

    I still think SM is the right man for the job but have to question whether any manager could make it work when they have Carr and Charnely pulling the strings and despite what you may hear, Ashley is still very much in charge

  • 84 Jail for Ashley // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:45 PM

    We told Payet, sign for us on a long contract low wages and a top club will come after you, he said I’m not listening to your guff.

  • 85 Ian Toon // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:45 PM

    Munster – It’s the transfer policy that is hugely questionable. Young and foreign without PL experience. You only need to look at the Palace team which has been supplemented since Pardew’s arrival. Just look at their defence – we have a team overall lacking in height, power and pace. Macca is said to have insisted that he’s very much part of the recruitment process going forward.

  • 86 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:47 PM


    Carr is one of the issues and a very big issue as well, But Charnley and Ashley are where the true fault lays as I don’t believe for a second that Ashley has stepped aside

  • 87 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:48 PM

    My last real hope is that we field a second string of


    northampton is one thing but sheff wed is another, it is still a championship club so should be won but when a starting 11 is doing as little as some of ours then why not allow some of those who’s places were lost and if they havea good game then allow them some time against chelsea because it’s not like they’ll have fans expect a win.

  • 88 West Lancs Geordie // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:48 PM

    All you bloggers are rapidly running out of people to blame.First there was Pards – who is not doing bad at CP would swap places with them now. Then MA. He got the Club on a stable footing at a time when we could easily have become the next Leeds Utd. He’s stepped back & allowed the current regime to splash out £50M. But we all know the main problem has been that little has been spent on strengthening the defence. Priority one should have been to make St James Park a fortress.Not rocket science if you concede more than the opposition. you lose.Now there saying strengthen the defence in the Jan window. It may be too late by then – we could be down with the Mackems by end of January
    Answer – the damned players should start taking both responsibility & blame for the current situation. Cost too much & paid far too much!

  • 89 Malta Mag // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:53 PM

    So Thauvin wears a tuxedo to arrive at the ground? So what, the kid has every right and although he hasn’t got off to the brightest of starts, he certainly puts in a shift and you can see he has a good touch. The main issue is the spine of the team? All the criticism of Taylor and Tiote but I’d have them both back tomorrow at the expense of Colocinni and Colback. Perez has to start in the number 10 role behind Mitro when he gets back and start the two young lads Aaron’s and Thauvin on the wings. Let’s move on from Colo, Sissoko and Cisse and be brave. I’m back on Saturday so at least the noise level will increase. Back in the Gallowgate corner amongst the ultras. I may be 56 but you want to be amongst it!!!!!!! Toon Toon…….

  • 90 West Lancs Geordie // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:57 PM

    Far Too much deadwood. New players not stepped up to the plate. Thauvin a disgrace- prove what you can do before making a poser’s entrance like that.Colo well past his sell by date, can’t carry sicknotes like Saylor & Tiote. Kiss doesn’t know where the net is anymore. Riviere is hardly a Martial despite both coming to UK via Monaco.
    Should have spent £25M on Austin & Van Djyk & got rid of all those we know haven’t even a chance of making the squad. Give the likes of Perez,Aarons ,Toney & Lascelles a go againgst Sheff Wed because the last team he put out was pants!

  • 91 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 6:59 PM

    West Lancs

    The players need to take their share of the blame, but when you buy from the bargain bin you get these type of performances, perhaps if we had the right approach to transfers we’d be in a very different position as having a handful of decent players surrounded by mercenaries is only going to bring about disaster

  • 92 West Lancs Geordie // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:00 PM

    League Cup win is a must to kick start our season or as usual it’s going to be over by Xmas

  • 93 Ian Toon // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:01 PM

    West Lancs- it isn’t rocket science. The problem is that we have numerically far too many defenders that were not moved on to then be replaced by up grade signings. We need to be proactive and identify areas that need strengthening and devise a scouting programme for Carr which Macca is fully supportive off. At the moment it appears that the tail is waging the dog.

  • 94 West Lancs Geordie // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:05 PM

    Agreed Jack. Dutch & French League no where near the standard of the Prem but British players far too expensive. Very few coming through the system to the detriment of the national teams. The lot of them have now got to address the situation head on. Roll up their sleeves & battle & play up fully to their capabilities WITHOUT getting sent off

  • 95 loonie-toon // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:06 PM

    Least we accually scored a goal this week lool

  • 96 West Lancs Geordie // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:07 PM

    Ian Toon. Agreed but who is going to take the s.. .e such as Willo. PNE want him but he won’t go. Wage bill top heavy with crap!

  • 97 West Lancs Geordie // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:09 PM

    LT perhaps we should try Janmaat at CF? he seemed to be the only one prepared to have a go at goal on Saturday.

  • 98 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:09 PM

    Am not with this scape goating Carr at all..

    If NUFC were willing to spend the money on wages we could of had the bettter players like Bony, Ayew, Gomis and plenty more here at the club.

    We got all the high earners off the books and most of the proven Premier League players we had. By the look of it, they gave Carr a tough task in finding players with loop holes in their contracts, on low wages and under the age of 26. Second and third choice players is all he can bring in with such restrictions. We are reluctant to spend the wages it takes to get first choice players in everytime at the club and that is not his fault.

    We have missed out massively on big targets because of the penny pinching at the club, taking risks on young potentially decent players on low wages. NUFC would rather double two young players wages from france, belgium or holland from 20k a week to 40k than get a good solid proven performer in at 80k-100k.

    Some opinions on here seem to think Carr has been let loose to sign whoever he wants but is not the case at all, we all know the restrictions and polies he has ro work under.

    These foreign players are hitting the ground running at other clubs because they are better players, players Ashley wouldn’t pay the wages for, not Carr.

    Dear me, Pardew, Carver, Carr. They all can’t be shite man! It’s Ashley and the pathetic transfer policies that are in place. We are the only club I think with such ridiculous structures in place.

    Of West Ham and Swansea can pay 100k a week then so should us!

    We are being held back because of these ridiculous policies, not because of the coaches or scouts.

    Off to work folks have a pleasant evening ?

  • 99 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:10 PM


    hearing the same words “ashley and charnley are the problem, carrs is not scouting”

    that stuff being repeated week in week out is like listening to a broken record, we’ve known for years already that cashley is the main issue so why bother saying it any more?

    you say he should critise the scout?

    A vast number of bloggers didn’t even think carr was bad prior to this transfer window as far as they were all concerned it was players coming in great and being pardewed, he won’t be reading this blog everyday and whilst we were all accusing pardew of that damage most pundits including himself were already a critising the scouting and it’s players brout in.

  • 100 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:12 PM

    might as well finish it and accept we disagree with how shearer is coming out with things.

  • 101 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:17 PM

    West Lancs

    I don’t think it’s the leagues we scout that are the issue, it’s more to do with the type of players Carr goes for. They have no pace, the can’t stand up to the physical nature of this league and he alone is responsible for wasting tens of millions on players when not really improving our best 11. But that is where the true flaw within our club raises its head, as why is Carr continually allowed to waste money on poor/average players?

    Ajax we amazed that anyone wanted de Jong because of his injury record, Thauvin has been woeful for two seasons but yet we pay top dollar when no one else was even interested in the lad and he replaces Carr’s last failure in Cabella who funnily was brought in to replace another failure in Marveuax. Mitrovic has an appalling disciplinary record in Belgium and we pay £12 million for the lad and place him in the most physically demanding league on the planet.

    We shockingly retain Colo and give the armband after everything he’s done to force a move away, we have one right back, two poor left backs and one proven striker in Cisse who doesn’t even want to be here.

    Ashley, Charnley and Carr continue to place nail after nail in the coffin of NUFC

  • 102 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:18 PM

    Funny thing after the West Ham game I posted that the club is rotten to the core and something was wrong behind the scenes – if true and things are coming out – then McLaren needs to ostracise them to the juniors or terminate their contracts like what we did with Barton even if it is our top players.
    And play the players who want to be at the club and play for the club starting on Wednesday night.

  • 103 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:19 PM


    It’s a broken record as it’s the same bloody problems or can’t you see that?

  • 104 Munster Mag // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:25 PM

    Ian carr is running the football side.he chooses the players and he chose the manager. He signs piles of crap players and has got away with murder. No more.

  • 105 Mag52 // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:27 PM

    Looking at the way the promoted clubs are doing so far we certainly can’t rely on any of them ending up behind us this season, and of those around us at the moment, only Sunderland look as bad as us.
    We desperately need Mitro to come good once his suspension is over. If he doesn’t, by the time the January transfer window comes round it could be far too late.

  • 106 magscar // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:31 PM


    Point I was making re Barton was at the time he went we had no takers at a fee so he finally went on a free.That is what we may have to do with some current players even though they do have a transfer value they are costing us in other ways.

  • 107 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:31 PM

    WLG 94

    what you have said in that post makes it sond like the real fault could be just the state of the premier league overall. It’s jam packed with cash, players every are coming in for nothing but cash, you might see your team get a decent player from abroad but generally it’s just another mercunary again and until the FA get get up off there@rses and make the effort at making teams start putting an effort in produce the english talant and working on bringing kids through it’ll just get worse.

  • 108 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:32 PM


    that stuff being repeated week in week out is like listening to a broken record, we’ve known for years already that cashley is the main issue so why bother saying it any more?

    So what should we do? Burry our heads in the sand and hope and pray that it goes away or gets better?

    Or should we blame individual players and lay the fault at their feet?

    I think Ashley’s hope is for the latter as fools point the finger in all the wrong places

  • 109 jazzyp // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:33 PM

    had a bit of a rant on here last night about how disgusted I was with the abject performance yesterday. and for the first time in over 20 year have finally said enough is enough.
    Well on reflection after 24hrs I still feel the same.We play at home with just one up front again and yet Watford come and play 2 up front and attack from the outset.
    Every corner we conceded we brought everyone back and so therefore as soon as we cleared our lines conceded the ball straight back to the opposition.
    There keeper launched more balls out with balls out of hand and the defence just stood back and let Deeney do as he wished.
    And as for Cisse……..the guy is a joke,No excuses anymore he just doesn’t give a flying sh@t about Nufc

  • 110 Mag52 // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:36 PM

    West Lancs.

    Jaanmat at CF ? It wouldn’t be the first time that a full back has been converted to play up front. Remember a certain Malcolm McDonald ?

  • 111 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:40 PM

    That’s the question what can we do at this day in age when a league is jam packed with money left right and centre. Gone are the days of having the local passionate players in your team, gone are the days a player was more intent on coming for games than money, gone are the days where newcastle united was a team considered a big club. A big stadium doesn’t make a differance ask the scums or villa.

  • 112 toon kk // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:41 PM

    Its a awful thought but it would be for the best if we were just were relegated and could restart with completely new players, most of our squad needs to be moved on, they have lost interest and hope.

  • 113 Ian Toon // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:42 PM

    I would suggest a distorted track record is being presented for Carr and the clubs transfer policy generally. I accept that there could be mitigating circumstances but they need to be addressed going forward.
    Nolan, Barton and Jose Enrique followed Andy Carroll out of the door to be replaced by Yohan Cabaye, Demba Ba, Davide Santon and in the following window Papiss Cisse. The team finished 5th in the next season and the transfer policy seemed to be functioning successfully.
    The following summer only Anita was signed against it was reported the wishes of Pardew; with Best and Forster being the main players to depart. The team struggled and we were in danger of relegation with arguably panic buys being made in the January window. The players coming in were Sissoko, Debuchy, Yanga-Mbiwa, Haidara and Gouffran with Ba going to Chelsea. The season after Cabaye left in the January window, Remy came in on loan in the summer. Last season Janmaat and Perez have been successful a number of others including Cabella were found wanting. For me the root and branch study should include Graham Carr and our whole scouting system.

  • 114 toon kk // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:44 PM

    Shearer was fuming on MOTD, maybe he could come and talk to our lacklustre squad.

  • 115 Jail for Ashley // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:45 PM

    The hierarchy of the club have been proved in the past as liars, I believe players like Tiote and Cisse have been victims of these lies and literally do not give a fcuk about us anymore, Jonas, from what you read in the papers was a very well liked player, how must it reflect on moral when a half wit like Carver, on his way to being sacked anyway has to tell him he’s finished by phone.

  • 116 eaststandgeordie1982 // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:45 PM


    I think a massive finger can be pointed at carr hes the one that gets what he wants at the club and the players he is picking are just not good enough, we would of been better spending 50m on players from the champinship.

  • 117 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:49 PM


    Been saying that for a while mate, Carr, Charnely and the invisible “I’m no longer involved” Ashley, but by all accounts we should not talk about those three as we sound like broken records when doing so, we all need to burry our heads in the sand and point the finger of blame at the players 😉

  • 118 Jail for Ashley // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:49 PM

    Ian Toon,
    Funny that, you said Best scored his hat trick after being signed with Anita the other week, and how the fcuk does us only signing one first team player one summer and only getting a loan the next have anything to do with the scouting team. It was decided by a group of individuals with Ashley at the head that both of those summers we had enough to finish tenth as long as we didn’t have cup runs.

  • 119 Jail for Ashley // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:50 PM


  • 120 toonking // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:52 PM


    Every year I seem to be losing it, I used to buy a new away shirt each and every season but now all I can see in my mind is another season another batch of money addicts.

  • 121 Ian Toon // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:53 PM

    magscar- I have read your report on the game and was at the WHU game and had thought we would beat Watford. Although the second half showing was far better we still look poor and bare a strong resemblance to the stuttering team under Carver. Macca is under pressure now because the players look anything but a team that is gelling and playing with confidence. Watford had 15 new signings and also under a new manager looked far better organised.
    Your comment on Tiote, is illustrative of other teams not wanting the players we want to sell. Ashley should have cleared the decks of the baggage if necessary at a loss in order to assemble a stronger squad. This would have enabled Macca to insist that Carr should bring in more Premier League experience or players who are at least equipped physically for the league. The Manager does seem to have had this resisted.We could have signed the likes of Austin, Moses and Payet. Together with a dominant CB. Payet looks a superb signing and at a reasonable price.
    Irrespective of the forthcoming fixtures being against Chelsea and ManC we do need to approach the games in the manner of our second half showing yesterday. Macca needs to play Perez, Thauvin/ Aarons, de Jong and Sissoko in centre midfield. Haidara was at fault for the first goal and defensively looks a weakness but what are the alternatives. Your comments on the crowd were echoed by family members who said there was a nervousness until well into the second half.

  • 122 Mister Tuff // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:55 PM

    Old man Carr getting a lot of blame without any accompanying evidence and in a couple of posts used to suggest he was responsible for King Pwrcys’ woes -again without any evidence.
    Bottom line is we do not have enough information about what exactly his full remit is and who has input into who is scouted. What are the restrictions if any etc etc.

    In respect of this season it seems to me that Mitrovic is going to have to be our saviour with some goals -we need to get to January with a much better points ratio per game otherwise were down.

    For what it’s worth I believe Mr Tubbs still runs the show and the so called board is a load of hooey.

  • 123 jazzyp // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:55 PM


    And the transparency is there for all to see now. many fans failed to come back out after the shambles of the first half. Just over 47k in attendance, Already 5k down and will be interesting to see what our next home game brings in attendance wise.
    personally if I didn’t have to travel as far I would have walked at half time as well. If the players cannot be bothered then neither can I.
    I was glad to see Perez get a start and hopefully show something different, But the disease has spread through the whole squad, because he just ambled around without a care in the world. One thing that has become abundantly clear that we were all lead to believe is that McLaren is no tactician

  • 124 eaststandgeordie1982 // Sep 20, 2015 at 7:57 PM


    Where the hell do we start with that lot mate haha thauvin is a waste of space obertan should be ahead of him and aarons ahead of them both, haidara needs to know what “if in doubt means”. Colo looks the weak link at the back, sissoko is just a passenger and offers nothing at all, we miss the bite and fight of tiote in the middle everyone is to soft in the middle, cisse is just not interested at all and is not a striker to play in the system we play. Our best player is mbemba in my opinion.

  • 125 JackButler // Sep 20, 2015 at 8:03 PM


    100% agree mate, we could easily drop seven of the starting eleven as they don’t warrant their place in the side, what compounds the matter is that the system we are playing doesn’t work.

    After the first two games I had real hope for the season as we worked tirelessly seemed together as a team, but of late we look like a collections of individuals who are not bothered or interested

  • 126 toon kk // Sep 20, 2015 at 8:13 PM

    Macca should replace about seven of our current under par players with some of the reserves, they’d be more hungry to prove a point. Something has to change and quick.

  • 127 eaststandgeordie1982 // Sep 20, 2015 at 8:14 PM


    Agree mate i was full of hope i guess its still early days we have shown good signs in some of the games lets hope everyone gets a kick up the arse this week, we are terrible in the final third and the best thing to do is play the 11 for chelsea on wed night so they can work on getting goals thats the best chance they have to show they can do it and get some confidence back, perez as a lone striker because he will run all day and help the team out, obertan and aarons on the wings, middle of anita gini and de jong.

  • 128 eaststandgeordie1982 // Sep 20, 2015 at 8:15 PM

    Perez can score goals as well and is very good with his feet

  • 129 West Lancs Geordie // Sep 20, 2015 at 8:23 PM

    So most of you are still blaming Cashley? Has he made all the decisions as to how HIS 50M has been spent ? I don’t think so. N.B. I am NOT a Mike Ashley fan but if it was MY money that had been spent I would be extremely concerned about my “investment” with only Toney & Mbemba looking worthwhile prospects. Gini has really disappointed me, Mitovic looks a senseless loose canon & Thauvin a poser. Hope I’m wrong.This together with Colback not performing, Haidara lacking the basics, Colo past his sell by date & Cisse losing his shooting boots & uninterested, topped off by Saylor & Tiote on forever on the treatment table just p…es me off! It’s more off the same old same old.

  • 130 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 20, 2015 at 8:29 PM

    I really don’t see a win coming from anywhere to be honest.

    Anybody enlighten me ?

  • 131 West Lancs Geordie // Sep 20, 2015 at 8:29 PM

    Agree we need changes. Got to start Perez, Aarons, Lascelles but you are going to be pushed to find another 4 who are good enough I’m afraid. SM must read the riot act to Mitrovic & channel his recklessness into controlled aggression & firepower on his return. A League Cup win is of paramount importance.

  • 132 West Lancs Geordie // Sep 20, 2015 at 8:37 PM

    This Blog is full of pessimists shrouded in the blame culture! Are there any positives? The players need to stand up & be counted & take some responsibility. They are paid very good money & the fans deserve better.The fight against relegation starts this weekend – FACT & we won’t get anything out of Chelsea playing like we did against Watford.

  • 133 davis_toons // Sep 21, 2015 at 6:41 AM

    We need a real midfielder someone with Brain or Power.
    I cannot believe Steven N’Zonzi is not scout by Carr. Its is DIRT CHEAP AT 7m.

    That is what we need to be Strong and Powerful at least at the back and moving forward.

    Surly Pound for Pound.

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