McClaren Flatly Rejects This Comparison

One of the reasons it is so difficult to manage Newcastle or to play for Newcastle is the severe criticism these men have to endure when things are not going well on Tyneside.

It’s brutal and always has been and always will be.

If the players are not mentally tough to put up with it – they never make it at Newcastle.

steve mcclaren on touchline watford

Steve McClaren – already under pressure

That’s a fact and Steve McClaren is quickly going through his first mini-crisis at Newcastle.

Well – we sincerely hope it’s only a mini-crisis.

After the Watford defeat on Saturday, Steve must have thought he was being grossly insulted by a reporter’s question.

It was put to him that Newcastle are no better off now than we were under (the completely inept) John Carver.

This is how Steve answered that question:

“You can see that and write that. I haven’t seen it.” “We come into a new experience and we all think ‘whoa, let’s go’, and then suddenly it is ‘woah, what’s happening there’.”

“It’s a lot of things to work on.” “Mentality, history, and of course, the present. We have to turn it around.”

“But I still say this is a good squad with good players in there. To win, you need belief.” “That first win would ease a lot of things, but there’s a lot of clubs saying that.”

“That adds to the tension and pressure and fuels the criticism we are going to receive.”

A first win will certainly change everything and a good performance and a shock win would do the trick because the confidence would return to both the team and the fans.

And the pundits too.

Well, maybe that’s going a little too far – getting carried away again.


So if we can get a win against either Chelsea or away at Manchester City it would be a big shocky, but the confidence of our players would return immediately.

That’s got to be something that Steve McClaren will pummel into the players this week.

Steve has to turn this thing around just as soon as possible.


Comments welcome.

55 comments so far

  • dufuss

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #1

    mini crisis
    your avin a laff

  • Bambams

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #2

    I had reason to meet a former member of staff of Newcastle training academy. They reckon Aarons will only get bit parts on the pitch until he signs his contract. Powers that be are too afraid for him to showcase how good he is in case top five teams take him for a lot less than they would if he had a long contract. Makes some sense…..

  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    Comment #3

    I think if they weren’t doing what he wanted then they would have been out of the door, or competent people brought in and allow them to get on with a job they are able to do. The fact Ashley hasn’t done that with any in the past suggests he isn’t upset with how they are doing which to me can only mean that those middle men are dancing to Ashley’s tune.

    Toon to Win,
    We were linked with Payet, and have been a number of times. According to the newspaper reports though he was deemed too expensive and then later the wrong side of the age bracket. We were heavily linked with him before signing Cabella but he was too old and costly for his age. We were linked before he joined Marseille, but then he was also too expensive.

  • firebug666

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #4

    If McClaren cannot see what everyone else can then there is something sadly wrong with him as he plods on with the same drudging doggedly approach to games.

    Or maybe he has to follow orders from above, and play certain players using the same old same old from last season.

    Either way progress is NOT being made and we are in deep trouble.

  • croftus5678

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #5

    i wouldnt get carried away with rolando just yet as he’s still very young and has a lot to learn as you could see by a mile at watford.

    he has a great shot a good cross and great speed though so as long as he’s not put under too much pressure he should come good.

    arma is also league 1’s leading goal scorer atm and now need’s/ wants game time esp if his loan move is as much of a hit as it allready has been with him also winning player or the month ! so he either gets more time playing for us (which is too much on young shoulders imo) or loan him to a championship club as he will have his pick of clubs if his form keeps up.

    but this lad could rightly slot into cisse’s number it’s just a case of whats better for the lad.

  • cyprus

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #6

    Can’t disagree with that logic. My only concerns:

    He actively hires incompetent people to piss us off? Hardly possible. He gets it wrong with appointments? More likely, granted. Not too upset? Again, losing logic, I’d guess he’s absolutely fuming.

  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #7

    Err, Steve, there are only 3 clubs, not a lot that are currently saying the first win would ease things. Ourselves, Stoke and Sunderland. Not illustrious company really.

    My biggest worry with McClaren was his lack of ability to handle pressure – something he admitted after the England debacle. He is now coming under increasing pressure. Will he be able to pull through….

  • Jib

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:22 AM

    Comment #8

    Somebody on an earlier post compared Toon fans to England fans for their lack of patience and speed in turning on their coaches/managers.

    A fair comparison I thought.

    A few clubs are going through the same shyte we are , yet their fans aren’t turning on them as unreasonably as ours are.

    It’s just as well Steve McClaren has worked with the England set up and can handle it .

    Come to think of it , it probably helped SBR cope with some of the shyte that flew his way.

  • kevymartins

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #9





    Or Remove Tiote and put Thauvin or Siem in behind Mitro.

  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #10

    I’d imagine he is upset with the start of the season given the money spent (clubs money, not his own personal finance). He will have hoped that we had enough to hover safely in mid table no more, no less.

    I doubt he hires incompetent people to piss us off, more likely just competent enough to satisfy his requirements without striving to get above their station and demand more.

    He has definitely got it wrong with numerous appointments by our (the fans) standards. Don’t think there can be much doubt when it comes to that. But he still holds onto them for far too long in the position, so whether he would class it as him getting the appointment wrong is a different matter. I’d say the only one he will think was totally wrong was Shearer to save us from relegation.

  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #11

    Which club is currently experiencing the same as Newcastle and aren’t turning on them?

  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #12

    * and their fans aren’t turning on them…

  • kevymartins

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #13

    @Croftus The only thing thats good for Aarons is gametime.

    You see his twitter? he is constantly working, in the gym and stuff. And what for? To sit on the bench and watch Thauvin try beat the first man on set pieces and fail or lose poession like its his day job.

    Cabella better than Thauvin and Aarons better than both he just needs more time to show what he is all about. The more games he gets the more comfortable he becomes in the team.

  • Jib

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #14

    Dare I mention the club 9 miles doon the road.
    The Dutch Dick isn’t getting the shit SM is and he’s had more time with the squad.

  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #15

    They are hardly backing him, or the players.

    ” “We have to work harder” said Dick in his obligatory post-match email. Sod that, pal, I could work harder, but I’m not good enough to play for Sunderland. Maybe players caring a bit, according to my update people on the south coast, would go a long way to getting better – or was that just post-match anger and frustration on their part?”

    Man of the Match? With only a few angry texts and MOTD to go on, I’ll leave our players, who’d allegedly shown a distinct lack of passion” From A Love Supreme

    He has goodwill built up due to saving them last season as well.This isn’t the same position. McClaren came into a faltering side but has changed little and has appeared uninspired so far.

    I do think you are being melodramatic with your claim fans are turning on him. Most aren’t turning on him, but they want to see some evidence of him turning Newcastle around. Little has been seen so far.

  • stuart no9

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #16

    brutal??? stop talking wet. If Macca or yourself Ed think that is brutal , then maybe he should manage, man u , chelsea. man city, then find out what brutal is when they lose ONE game or dont win the league or go 2 seasons without winning anything , then he will find out what brutal is. We are angry , Fu””ng angry that we have to put up with this year in year out because we are sh’t. They are getting paid to do a job- so do it, and stop mothering them . I was brought up to work hard and if i didnt , i would get what i deserve – nowt , stop pampering them, they are grown men who need to start earning their wages , if they dont – sack them , get rid or whatever but start earning. As for the continuous digs about the pardew hate mob Ed , get over it . its done move on .

  • jayphoto

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #17

    Number 1 problem I saw against Watford is we played and were set up as if we had a big aerial striker despite the fact we didn’t.
    Saw somewhere we put over 40 crosses in the box on Saturday. We set up very much like Anderlecht do when Mitrovic is there. Might fare better when the lad is on the pitch but not sure I’ve ever seen Cisse win a header….

  • croftus5678

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #18

    @13 kevy

    if thats the way you see thauvin like a few others on here then i aint going to even think about convincing you otherwise.

    i personaly dont see where the negativity comes from with him after watching the game twice the latest thauvin being the focus.

    to me he was avg-good esp compared to others ! he tracked back and tackled well / ran forward on every occasion and linked up very well for overlaps ect and then got the ball in the box into good area’s twice and had a very good shot and even got into the box a few times once almost scoring as he was a whisker away from the ball..

    he’s not slow like people make him out either (not the fastest for sure but def not slow) and was his delivery poor not getting past the first man ? i honestly cant remember or it didnt stand out if i’m honest i’ll watch it for a 3rd time in light of his criticism’s as i may just be misty eyed with what i feel is unfair towards him.

    he’s not all shiny though like i say that whisker away from a goal he was he went and put his head down and lead with his foot but if he had gone fully with his head i reckon he would have got it.

    he won player of the month for us voted by fans largely due to northampton where he didnt put a pass/cross wrong 3 assists 1 goal surely things cant turn on the lad so fast can they ?

  • Jib

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #19

    Fair point speaking about the fanbase in general but I’m not being melodramatic as far as this blog is concerned.

  • jayphoto

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #20

    Stoke fans aren’t turning on Hughes! Theyre thrilled with the kind of football the club are trying to play. Working for a big stoke fan today. They recognize that their star captain is out at the moment (shawcross) and that they probably need a striker in January. Saying that, they are playing a lot nicer stuff than we are….

  • Blackley and Brownlie

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #21

    Listen Steve. Players get belief by looking around the dressing room at the great players around them. It’s no wonder none of our players has any belief.

  • terencelim

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #22


  • jimmysmith

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #23

    You’d have to be a effen idiot not to think there were probably very real problems with the squad and set up when we’ve gathered 2 points from 18, played without attacking intent at all, had two players sent off early, a centre forward ho won’t try, and the midfield enforcer that could easily make all the difference, feigning injury, so why not voice it, especially when you’ve paid 30 odd quid for the privilege.

  • Blackley and Brownlie

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #24

    Players lose belief by looking at the opposition when they walk out the tunnel and thinking they’re better than us. So you’re very much up against it Steve. It will take more than Blackie to overcome it.

  • AncientC

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #25

    I have my doubts that a shock win would fix all of the ailments.

    Would getting a win against Chelsea instantly reignite the belief in the players, setting the side up for major improvements, or, would a shock win just be that.

    By law of averages we are due a win and a bit of luck. My guess is that we will start getting some wins, but they will continue to be few and far between.

    If we can average 1 point per game, that should give us a chance of staying up. 1 win and 1 draw in every 4 games played could be a struggle, but just about where the team could be reaching with improvements.

    If we only manage to average 1 point a game from here on out, that would put us on 34 points at the end of the season, so we are going to need at least 1 month in the season where we get a few wins in proximity to each other.

    Looking at the form guide etc, I think we will still be playing for safety with 3 games to go.

  • Rotonda heights

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #26

    I think in all honesty the most disappointing thing under SM which I didn’t think was possible is that we seem even more negative and defensively set up than under AP.

    We look like a team playing with fear almost waiting for the opposition to score and confirm their worst fears and get them out of the way.

    Daily I think more and more questions have to be asked of Carr. We just have way too many non-entities like Haidara, Colback, Riviere, Gouffran and Willo, has beens like Colo, malcontents like Tiote and Cisse, prima donnas like Thauvin and a game time liability in Mitrovic.

    Whoever said NUFC were scouting players of good character!!!

    Worst of all we persist with yet another failed Brit manager who had a couple of seasons in the sun some time ago.

    I thought

  • Rotonda heights

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #27

    I thought nothing, don’t know why that’s there!!!

  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #28

    Most of the criticism I’ve read on here has been aimed at players, Carr and Charnley. Yes, the occasional one at McClaren but that is always to be expected.

    I think he is a good coach, but have questioned whether he has the mentality to handle pressure. Maybe a coach at top flight is all he should be, just like Carr should just be a scout not a board member.

    I’m struggling to pick positives at the moment, I don’t think we will get relegated, I still think our squad is more than good enough for 9th/10th. But to do that McClaren will have to adapt and adjust to play a far more expansive game which suits the players we have better. We are leaving ourselves with a lot of work to do, partly because the squad is largely the same, partly because so far McClaren has implemented few changes – greater possession but possession without intent.

    Mitro will come back and is going to be key to us, I think he will do well, but McClaren has to utilise Aarons, De Jong, Perez and Thauvin in and around him to take pressure off. Leave him isolated and we he will be fighting for scraps and his card count will likely increase. 3 of those 4 should start with Mitrovic against Chelsea. Mourinho never wins in the league at SJP, lets attack them and cause them problems, press high in an organised fashion, work together to support each other. Let’s get away from allowing teams to come onto our creaking defence.

    So far the style has been a continuation of Pardew and Carver and the mentality of the players has continued in the same vein. To get some change from them, we need to change the way we play and set up. The sooner McClaren decides to do this, the better.

  • Blackley and Brownlie

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #29

    We’re simply taking over where we left off last season. Nothing much has changed. No horse. Not even any bolts. Not all Newcastle fans were delighted, as you say Ed, by the signing of Mitrovic. Some of us are highly dubious of any player for whom old man Carr pushes the boat out.

  • The next Mike Williamson

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #30

    Trouble with McClaren is that he was last choice amongst most fans which always means fans will turn on him quick, similar to when we got Allardyce. Why do we keep digging out managers with poor records from the lower leagues? At least a young or foreign manager has potential to be good. McClaren has a long history that proves he’s average at best with a penchant for dull football.

  • croftus5678

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:15 AM

    Comment #31

    @29 blackley

    the majority of us was saying we should go all out for mitrovic as first choice but we never believed we could do it.

    the majority thought thauvin was a huge improvement over cabella (who did what for us ?) and obertan.

    the majority though mbemba was a quality cb who would add a lot of stability to our defence.

    and the majority though we had made a major coup in cathro and the rest of the coaches and was happy it was a upgrade on pard’s reign.

    we can not really pretend we didnt say all that because we are on a poor run can we or surely it means the majority of us could have done no better than what has been done so far !

    one things for sure we all view things differently ! you say formation needs to be this with those players ! i say it needs to be that with them players ! lilong says it should be another blablabla ! who’s right ?

  • Ron Knee

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:18 AM

    Comment #32

    Clutching at straws here, but did anyone think our passing was a little better on Saturday? I counted 5 or 6 strung together, and we even went forwards at times, not sideways.

  • Rotonda heights

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #33

    SM does seem to have got fixated on 4231 and doesn’t seem to want to experiment and move away from a failing system, at least failing for us.

    There’s stubborn and then there’s being irresponsible.

    Early days of SM I welcomed the apparent changes being made. But now I see 2 possible talents in Abeid and Kemen out the door, while Willo and Gouffran are still here, Perez and Aarons only making the bench, Colo made captain, failure to act and save janmatt from a sure fire red card at swansea and as mentioned the lack of any tangible plan B.

    AS for Carr, while he was scouting for riviere at Monaco, why didn’t he spot a 17 year old Martial?

  • Rotonda heights

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:20 AM

    Comment #34

    The next Mike willo


  • AncientC

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:20 AM

    Comment #35

    Frank De Boer – Ajax.
    6 games – 16 points – Top of the league.

    Thomas Tuchel – Borussia Dortmund.
    5 games – 15 points – Top of the league.

    Christophe Galtier – St. Etienne.
    6 games – 13 points – Third in the league. (Third on goal difference, 1 point behind PSG)

  • Ron Knee

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #36

    I think we should have persisted with Abeid, too.

  • Tinman

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #37

    If he is not that worried then that makes me even more worried…

  • jayphoto

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #38

    i’ll be the first to admit I wanted McClaren, but I know I was in the minority at the time. Still think he’ll do well given time.
    Doesn’t help when you see Watford flying with 9 out of their first 11 new signings and new to the league, and a new manager that’s new to the league. Makes excuses of gelling etc seem desperate
    Similar story at West Ham actually.
    Got to give these new to the PL managers credit. Sanchez, bilic, Neil, Howe haven’t been overawed by the league. They’ve got at teams and played on the front foot to win. That’s something Newcastle haven’t done yet.

  • LooneyToon41

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #39

    As observed on the Sunday Supplement (Sky Sports) we have a number of ‘bad eggs’ in the dressing room. Cheick Tiote, being target no 1 after all scans etc state there is nothing wrong with him, yet he says he is injured.
    The idea that these kind of players can be sacked or easily ‘got rid of’ is ignorant, unless they are near the end of their contact, or their contract is paid up.
    Emmanuel Adebayor being a great example at Spurs.

    Player recruitment is an issue

  • croftus5678

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #40

    @33 rotonda

    imo i agree with pretty much everything there.

    willo and goofy have been frozen out though so i’ve no doubt they did want rid but willo wont go on loan ect.

    with colo at first i thought ffs >.< then he played pretty well in the park the bus games and i was starting to come round to it if i'm honest but then we see him one on one and withought 2 dm's in the team and its erm..dire to say the least !

    3 people to pretty much do the role of one cb (and i know i'm being unfair and far fetched)but its just got me feeling that way 🙁

    and tbf was there any fans that was not laughing at manure when they signed marshall thinking they had flushed money down the toilet when they could have had mitrovic ect for cheaper ?


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