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Pundit – Newcastle Game On Saturday Will Be Over Quickly

6:30 pm, Thursday, September 24th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 97 Comments

Our next two games are against the two clubs who finished first and second in the Premier League last season,  Chelsea and Manchester City – so the games against the weaker sides – West Ham, Watford and Sheffield Wednesday – are over and after the next two games there is a two week International break.

If we lose these two games it’s going to be a miserable two-week break for Newcastle fans.

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Paul Merson – Newcastle cannot stop losing

We cannot feel too confident of getting anything out of the next two games but Paul Merson the Sky pundit is quite certain.

This is what has said about the game on Sky Sports:

“There’s no chance for Newcastle in this one. Chelsea are a banker.” “Newcastle can’t stop losing. I like Steve McClaren, but they are just struggling so badly.”

“The fans are rightly frustrated and Saturday could turn nervy within 10 minutes at St James’ Park. Jose Mourinho’s side love that and he’ll pick them off easily.”

“The lead at the top is eight points, but Chelsea can win the title,” “After last week especially. It was a huge day for Chelsea last week, to beat Arsenal and then see City lose at home to West Ham.”

“You have to remember Chelsea will look to beat Man City at home in April, so I call it five points.”

Score prediction: Newcastle 0 – 3 Chelsea.

Things are not looking good at the moment but what we need to see from our players is for them to shock us and start playing like we played against Manchester United and Arsenal in successive games.

We’ve done it before and the players have to show a more courage and more leadership both on and off the field.

That’s what they get paid big bucks for.

If they do that they will get great support from the Newcastle fans, but the courage has to come from them first.

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97 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Tsunki // Sep 24, 2015 at 6:36 PM

    Ashley Out!

  • 2 Mag52 // Sep 24, 2015 at 6:37 PM

    We need a win desperately. Macca is going to have to earn his corn to pull this one out.

  • 3 sing in the corner // Sep 24, 2015 at 6:37 PM

    As usual fantastic insight from the upper echelons of the pundit world.

  • 4 Jib // Sep 24, 2015 at 6:39 PM

    AC
    You have called me a spunk trumpet on many occasions .

    It never bothered me cos you don’t bother me

    I looked it up out of idle curiosity.

    There is only one definition.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spunk+trumpet

    If I were BandB I would be grossly offended.

  • 5 Belfast // Sep 24, 2015 at 6:41 PM

    In a ideal world I’d like to dig a great big hole and bury him and Ian Wright in it.

  • 6 Mister Tuff // Sep 24, 2015 at 6:46 PM

    Jib Jibberish – wrong again there is more than one definition for “spunk trumpet”.

    What is the inside line at SJP re the latest defeat – have you been in touch with the club insider “Uncle Peanut” to get the latest griff?

  • 7 Ian Toon // Sep 24, 2015 at 6:56 PM

    Mr Tuff- Do you ever contribute anything of a positive nature?
    Your old goat grumpy antics are rather tiresome. Just a thought as I know you don’t want to drive bloggers away.
    Yours a younger contributor.

  • 8 andrew84 // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:06 PM

    Merson said virtually the same thing about sunderland before they played swansea and they ended up drawing, so I don’t bother taking him seriously at the best of times.

    Anyways, maybe Ed has a point. If we play like we did against man u, keep everyone behind the ball for an hour and a half, maybe we’ll scrape a point.

  • 9 Toon Tang // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:08 PM

    Never has a truer word been said.

  • 10 Offkey // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:15 PM

    Just for norman bates

    NEWCASTLE ARE JUST BRILLIANT…….

    Positivity makes everyone happy apparently…

  • 11 Graeme // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:16 PM

    Only predicting a 0-3 defeat!! Thats generous of him; We will struggle to get Nil!!!

  • 12 Offkey // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:18 PM

    I think we will beat chelsea……..2-1

  • 13 toonbrother // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:20 PM

    i have faith in stevie mac
    i dont think a chelsea win is a given by any means

  • 14 Mister Tuff // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:20 PM

    Ian Toon – I will contribute something positive when I see fit do do so. I will also contribute something “negative” if it is appropriate to do so. I will also throw in some excellent wit and also challenge the blog scoundrels and scumbags. You are included within this group.
    Stop your artifice and blog trickery.

  • 15 hibbit // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:25 PM

    nice to see you so positive toonbrother i take it you didnt see the the last 2 games then ???

  • 16 BandB // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:26 PM

    Tuff,

    I don’t blame Ian.
    He used to have so many friends, and you have driven them all away.
    Every single person who doesn’t post these days was a friend and supporter of Ian and his opinions.

    Ian

    Another nice football post from you.

  • 17 Average_Contents // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:32 PM

    Fiction novelist

    Second prize funnily enough goes to….

  • 18 Toon Tang // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:33 PM

    I predict a god damn riot, that’s what I’m predicting people..

  • 19 JackButler // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:35 PM

    A win would kick start our season and we’ve all seen that anything can happen in this league, no betting man would place money us getting a win but you just never know

  • 20 Our Toon // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:36 PM

    I read some baffling stuff on here last night, some saying we are buying players from poor leagues etc. I’m baffled because I look at Payet, Mahrez etc and these lads don’t seem to have any issues. We have a serious issue with the way the team is set up. He needs to change it!!

  • 21 Jail for Ashley // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:37 PM

    Usual suspects:
    “The people habitually suspected or arrested in response to a crime. The phrase is usually used in regard to scapegoats rather than actual perpetrators of the crime in question”

  • 22 Our Toon // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:39 PM

    We pissed about in preseason friendlies as well, chickens coming home to roost….piss poor planning

  • 23 JackButler // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:39 PM

    Our Toon

    There’s nothing wrong with the league we buy from, its the type of players Carr always seems to go for thats the issue. We have little to no pace and so many of his signings have no physical presence and so cant stand up to the toughest league around. I agree the system isnt working but thats just one more problem to go onto of the massive pile of problems we have

  • 24 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:46 PM

    Hard at work last night and couldn’t even get the commentary online to my mobile during my break. I’ve seen pictures today of Makro grinning like a big grinner five seconds into his post match interview. What is going on with our leader and his facial expressions?

    Taking my mind off the circus at SJP for a couple of hours to watch the new look Huddersfield on Sky.

  • 25 Our Toon // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:46 PM

    JB

    I agree pace is an issue or lack of but the biggest thing that hurts us is the lack of ambition when attacking, Watford are hardly blessed with pace yet they managed to have at least 4 players in our box when attacking….We have 1 or 2 at the most. The biggest issues for me is another CB to replace Colo, Haidara at LB and the need for a midfield enforcer who will sit and protect.

    Arsenal aren’t a big physical side yet they seem to do well, we don’t have any leaders on the pitch, that’s why we are piss poor. No one wants to take the game by the scruff of the neck, no heart….just a bunch of soft shite idiots

  • 26 Ian Toon // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:46 PM

    Mister Tuff – Yet again I need to enlighten you following your labelling of me. Your puerile behaviour and stupid lists coming from a man of your mature years say more about you than anyone else, they were not funny a year or more ago and are simply redundant. Dont bother with your faux outrage routine but just try to make yourself more relevant.
    PS. – I did like one of your sketches a few years ago involving a man of the cloth and holy orders. Maybe you could work on that.
    Over and out.

  • 27 Jail for Ashley // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:48 PM

    We were crying out for some solid dependable players with PL experience and instead we got young untested players with potential sell on value. A shake up of the defence was badly needed and the losing mentality banished, instead we got Collocini on an extension, not only was he retained as captain but told he was the best signing of the summer, this must have made the other lads feel ten foot tall !

  • 28 Jail for Ashley // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:52 PM

    My favourite blog sketch of all time was when pushy pardew was pretending to talk to himself in the guise of Ian Toon !

  • 29 bladeuser // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:54 PM

    NUFC are a waste of money and time
    Why would anybody pay hundreds every season to be humiliiated by away fans and the team they pay to watch laughing behind there backs all the way to the bank
    What is wrong with you lot are u scared somebody will sit in your precious drab Hard grey seat or u really have such a boring life that these money grabbing mercenaries r your only outlet
    How many times do u need the p@@@ taking out of u before u come to your senses
    ASHLEY OUT
    S Mac out

  • 30 JackButler // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:55 PM

    Our Toon

    I dont think SM has any idea as to his best 11 yet and I think he’s now truly aware of just how poor and unbalanced a squad we have. It looks like hes trying to build off a strong defence but our defence is weaker than a Mike Ashley lie and so everything is falling down on the start line.

    We dont have pace apart from Obertan and Aarons, one who is proven to be poor/average at best the other who has potential but has an ongoing love affair with the treatment table.

    Regarding our lack of physical presence, you don’t need to be a six foot six, knuckle dragging caveman to stand up to the riggors of this league, Santi Cazorla, Perez, David Silva, Philippe Coutinho are all slight but they can all hold their own, but we have so many who simply cant stand up to the physical demands of this league………………..as well as too many who look like they simply cant be bothered

  • 31 angelswithdirtyfaces // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:57 PM

    I think it could easily be a Liverpool type collapse. The funny thing is if we had AP I think we might beat them as for some strange reason, nothing to do with managerial ability, he has a reasonable record against Chelski

  • 32 JackButler // Sep 24, 2015 at 7:59 PM

    The day the news broke that Colo had not only been given a new two year deal but would also retain the captains armband i actually laughed so hard it began to hurt, its so pathetic as it shows just what a sorry state of affairs the club has become

  • 33 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:00 PM

    I hear De Jong got an outing last night. Did he justify the clamour of many bloggers for him to start and to show the guile and craft that they reckon he’s got? Or did he fail to provide the answer, as Old Blackley very much doubted he would?

  • 34 cyprus // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:00 PM

    Come on Newcastle. Surprise these fxxxxxs. Surprise us. Beat them!

    Palace beat them, so did Everton. It’s very doable.

  • 35 Jail for Ashley // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:07 PM

    Cyprus,
    If you look in to it though, Everton and Palace managed a couple of goals each, it was a huge factor in the winning bit you mention !

  • 36 toon kk // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:10 PM

    What strikes me as the strangest or most ridiculous thing is the whole world and his dog can see our major flaws, but the board can’t. They stick to there regime, while the team falls apart.

  • 37 Rotonda heights // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:11 PM

    Typical, liverpool are thinking about Klopp and we are thinking about moyes.

  • 38 JackButler // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:13 PM

    Rotonda

    Doesn’t really matter mate as even Klopp would fail with the way this club is run, i seriously doubt any manager could do anything with this lot.

    The issue is the way we are run and as long as we continue to be run this way we will never achieve anything

  • 39 Jib // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:15 PM

    h

  • 40 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:18 PM

    Does anyone know if there is any truth in Arrons going out on loan?

    The mirror seem to think so, are preferred media partner ha.

  • 41 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:19 PM

    Our

  • 42 Rotonda heights // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:19 PM

    Ian (it is Ian isn’t it, just checking)

    Despite your constant bleating on about your good intimate buddy AP and how hard he was done by, I would never ever want him back here, as much as I would hate Allardyce, Souness and Dalglish ever coming back.

    SM was a ”safe” choice but never the right choice. Anyone of Klopp, Tuchel, Viera etc would have shown a change of direction but for me SM is just a continuation of the same old, same old, failed mediocre Brit manager agenda at SJP. Even watford got Flores.

  • 43 davis_toons // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:22 PM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT3mrlNxE84

    …1st goal
    Haidrai mistake to lost the ball.
    ..Janmaat counldnt block it. He isn’t strong in Defense (This is one for Staylor Classic. He wound have blocked that shot..too bad the doctor could not release him)

    ….On the 2nd Goal.
    1.34 Colo as usual isn’t good in the Air.

    1.36 Janmaat – instated of closing down. He stop closing down the Watford St. Isn’t Defense his Main job as well? If is was A.Cole, he would have run to the Goalline and defended it.

    1.37 Poor Communication and Marking btw Janmaat and Mbemba (Still young and inexperience)

    Watford ST sneak in behind Mbemba and got on to the through ball.

  • 44 Toon Tang // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:23 PM

    Ahaaaaaaaa… What if the managers aren’t picking the teams and working out tactics. What if Ashley is doing everything himself from behind the scenes.

    All the managers Ashley has had have done pretty crap so what if they’re just fronts for Ashley because he wants to play the manager game in real life. That decent stint that Pards had when we finished 5th was really Ashley letting his wife have a go and she did better at it and he couldn’t handle it and chucked her out.

    All of this should be taken into consideration people. I only drop raw facts.

  • 45 Jail for Ashley // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:26 PM

    Rotonda,
    I see some looking back fondly on Pardews halcyon days with a tear in their eye. One poster even remarked that although there were poor results it was very rarely two in a row, equalling our worst ever run three times and then smashing it with a six must never have happened !

  • 46 Toon Tang // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:26 PM

    Would be a funny story if it turned out to be true eh.

    Ashley sat up in his office through the night with a Wenger coat on working out why the bloody hell the lofted ball to Willow at the back stick isn’t working hahahaa

  • 47 Toon Tang // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:27 PM

    Him and Derek sweating it out over tactics.

  • 48 Toon Tang // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:30 PM

    Ive got a feeling he scouts his own players as well

  • 49 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:30 PM

    Ahh, I can see the tension building in here towards the manager already, more and more everyday.

    Here we go again.. 🙂

    Six games in is pretty insane, especially with how broken the club is recruitment wise.

  • 50 Toon Tang // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:31 PM

    Its not McClarens fault Toon-Prodigy

  • 51 Munster Mag // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:35 PM

    Jack as you know i have been banging the “carr is massively overrated” drum for some time, lonf before the useless media cottoned on. I wudnt want pardew back either but carr hampered him. He also chose our manager as charnley is not informed enough to do that. So carr is our de facto DOF and a bigger issue than ashley who released (belatedly) 50 mill. Carr has to wise up.

  • 52 Jail for Ashley // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:35 PM

    TP,
    That’s not true pal, very few were inspired with the choice and imo 90% of bloggers understand that the buck stops with the clowns running the show with the owner taking the lions share of the blame for implementing his ridiculous strategy !

  • 53 Jail for Ashley // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:36 PM

    Munster,
    Ashley and SD have to go. FACT !

  • 54 Munster Mag // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:37 PM

    Jail i have to say i smiled when i read same. Pardew was either hot or cold but he was massively undermined by fatty’s pet.

  • 55 Jail for Ashley // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:37 PM

    Munster,
    JfA is a thing of the past you say ?

  • 56 davis_toons // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:37 PM

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steve-mcclaren-lucky-newcastle-job-10111267

    ..Mc is 3 games to Doom Day as they said..

    Jurgen Klopp ‘wants Premier League job’..and he is waiting at the sideling now..MA is going for it.

    European Football here we come..

  • 57 Munster Mag // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:38 PM

    SD?

  • 58 lochinvar // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:40 PM

    Mitrovic is capable of scoring a goal early on on Saturday and if we run at them around and in the box then a second from Penalty or direct free kick is possible – especially if Terry plays and we force him into errors as he’s fragile at the moment.
    Then it’s just a case of how we defend the Alamo at the other end.
    2-1 is possible.
    Unlikely but possible.

  • 59 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:41 PM

    Toon kk
    I think it’s fair to say the mood of many on the blog at the start of the season was one of considerable optimism. With millions spent and a new backroom team, especially Cathro and Black, there were many predicting a top half finish.

    In truth nothing has changed. It’s only a few games in. Why are people changing their views so early? The inadequacies now are the same inadequacies that were evident at the start of the season. You would expect the optimists to stick to their guns.

  • 60 Munster Mag // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:42 PM

    I dont think ashley is the critical issue at the moment. He is a better owner now than he was in the past. Starting from low base i appreciate. I would certainly consider letting smc go if we cud find better.but carr needs to change the player profile he has in his old head

  • 61 Jail for Ashley // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:45 PM

    davis toons,
    I know English isn’t your first language so I wont be to harsh but that was a terribly misleading post and link !

  • 62 lochinvar // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:46 PM

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-news-live-fallout-10125228#rlabs=1%20rt$category%20p$1

    You know how bad is when ground advertising promotes dodgy motors as well as loan sharks !

  • 63 Jail for Ashley // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:48 PM

    No Munster wrong. The manager, not coach needs to tell Carr what he wants in a player !

  • 64 Mister Tuff // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:48 PM

    Ian Toon – stop your blog mischief and trickery – we all know the stunts that you pull on the blog.
    You remind me of that (now discontinued) ITV programme “Stars in Their Eyes” which was hosted by Matthew Kelly -the contestants would replicate stage acts of famous stars -usually with the intro of “and tonight X is going to be …………..!
    “And tonight Ian Toon is going to be………..Pushy Pardew”

    Stop you blog mischief and trickery – you’re slippier than a bag of eels ( you probably eat them now with a bit of jelly).

  • 65 Munster Mag // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:49 PM

    B and B its not a case of sticking to guns. Its a case of accuracy and opinions becoming different because of availsble info. He wasnt my first choice ( i wanted a german based mgr) but i didnt realisehoe defensive he was. I also didnt realise that the players wud quite simply not react to him!

  • 66 Thump // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:49 PM

    Chelsea to win by 3? He’s being very generous.

  • 67 jimmysmith // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:50 PM

    Pardew is obviously a good manager. Ashley will miss him. If he was still here the owner wouldn’t be spending as much. I suspect its a case of here’s the budget and here’s the target, and Pardew would get a smaller budget, cos he showed he could do more with it. One good thing about McClaren in and Pardew out, is more money is being made available for players. Now unencumbered, Pardew’s star is in the ascendancy, thanks in no small part to the immense learning curve he’s been on, and Macs isn’t, as far as you can tell. It appears Newcastle would have done well to back Pardew, and avoided this and the worst of the past 5 years. It wouldn’t have signalled a return to the entertainers, but we’d be on course for top eight, a cup, and greater financial stability, and maybe already have achieved it.

  • 68 lochinvar // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:50 PM

    About pic # 34 in all the photos – to save time it’s VW advertising at SJP
    Das Auto ?
    Das Krap defending

  • 69 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:57 PM

    Munster
    Understandably, many see Ashley as the bogeyman. After all, he appointed the appointers and backed old man Carr.

    But Ashley is the owner. What’s the point of trying to drive out the owner without an alternative owner waiting in the wings? It would be a civil war that would destroy the club for no good purpose.

    Whilst there’s no billionaire consortiums, surely the fans would be better served directing their ire against those whom Ashley can hire and fire. Charnley and Carr Out.

  • 70 Munster Mag // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:58 PM

    Jail, incorrect. I agree with your principal but its not going to happen. Carr has provided lots of poor players. many apparently sourced from the same people. If any mgr says that he wants a stylish midfielder, he gets a marv or thauvin who has been researched for 3 yrs. Ashleys approach is wrong but well researched players plus smart mgr= potential success. Instead old man carr runs his own agenda.

  • 71 Munster Mag // Sep 24, 2015 at 8:59 PM

    B and b, i totally agree

  • 72 Jail for Ashley // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:03 PM

    Jimmy,
    We wouldn’t have been in for a cup because until the fans kicked off the stated policy was to avoid that particular hassle and while Pardew was here he was happy to go along with it. What I can’t understand is that despite the hierarchy’s willingness to tell lies is that they decided to be truthful when telling us cups weren’t priority, they could have easy lied and said we were desperate to win one !

  • 73 Munster Mag // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:03 PM

    Oh for a roy keane billy bremner or john giles at the toon

  • 74 toon22 // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:05 PM

    MA is the root cause of it all no matter what Blackey might say
    MAs own personal shill.

  • 75 davis_toons // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:06 PM

    @jail…ok thanks for the understanding, that’s all on the gossip…just dnt take that to heart…haha.

    I just dnt get it that why the board keep insisting on McClaren after he turned down Newcastle a few times.

    There nothing about McClaren for me so far i still have some faith in him.

  • 76 Jail for Ashley // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:07 PM

    Old man Carr would have Bony , Alderwield and Remy in the team, bis wings should be clipped but whi has the power to do that !

  • 77 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:24 PM

    Munster
    I can’t see that anything has changed. Makro’s c.v. is the same; it can’t be re-written. The relegation haunted squad is essentially the same; the same old scout has made dubious additions and a flop swap.

    Whatever the optimists saw can’t have changed surely? It’s crazy to be talking about sacking a manager after six or seven games. Or for some, including myself, to be saying, “I told you so.” It looks like what we thought would happen is coming to pass. But six or seven games is far too soon to be getting on the manager’s back, surely?

    This is a deep rooted problem. Charnley and Carr have their dirty hands alll over it. Some think Makro is to blame for not playing the likes of De Jong and Aarons. But it should be obvious that those players are no better. And whilst Colo is a liability, he’s not keeping any stars out of the team.

    I’d be inclined to give Makro quite a bit longer (only because he’s just recently been appointed), but he’ll have to stop his inane grinning or I’ll quickly lose my patience. That can’t continue.

  • 78 davis_toons // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:30 PM

    If we can play well in this next game, i don’t mind us losing this one.

    It shows that we will get our win soon. We need our midfield to create and our striker to score.

    We need a “Kelvin Nolan”. I’m not asking for a Lampard or a Gerrard.

  • 79 Jail for Ashley // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:35 PM

    Charnley and Carr have their hands all over it ! fancy that rotten advertising company coming up with such a shitty low budget 15 second piece for SD on SSN !

  • 80 cyprus // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:38 PM

    Jail
    Yep. We’ll need a couple goals to win. They’ll get at least one.
    Blackley
    What you say makes sense. My only concern re Steve and young coach, no matter who plays, is they seem to have not figured out the tactical side. Much like in the case of AP they play like a pub team. Ie. Just met, trying things out.

  • 81 lochinvar // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:41 PM

    Klopp or Ancellotti ?
    That may be the next question and before Rodgers departs Liverpool which might tempt one of them.

  • 82 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:44 PM

    Jail
    There’s lots of speculation about old man Carr’s first choices. His list of picks is as long as Pardew’s list of excuses, if we believe what we read.

    I prefer to believe what I see, namely the signings Carr does actually make; signings he doesn’t have to approve but does. Why isn’t Carr saying “No defintely not that player. Its got to be this player”? .

    What’s his strictures? Multi million pound players but not over the age of 26? And … ?

    The bottom line is we pay a fortune and get rubbish. If it’s not rubbish, it’s not what we need.

  • 83 toon kk // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:46 PM

    I put a lot of poor scouting down to our lacklustre players, but the regime has to be the sorce of the problem MA wages cap and where he wants players from has to be a major factor. This season has been coming for some time and its arrived.
    People are starting to blame Carr but many thought he was doing well for some reason, often people were saying sign him up. I’ve always said most players are not quick enough we sign for the premier league.

  • 84 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:53 PM

    Cyprus
    Any manager would struggle with Carr’s picks.

    Makro’s and Costco ‘s c.v.’s haven’t changed. Anyone who liked the pair of them a few weeks ago, has seen little, if anything, could change their mind, as far as I can see.

    I wonder if the same people at the start who backed Makro and Costco are the same who backed, and continue to back, Colo?

  • 85 Ian Toon // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:56 PM

    Mr Tuff- At least you did it with humour. Why didn’t you tip me off about the ” stars in your eyes” when it was on. Sounds as if I could have learnt a lot – joke., for the avoidance of doubt .

    Rotonda – I thought that might stir you from your stupor. You were always right about style of play, trying failed tactics and not learning from mistakes. However, Ashley was never ever going to sign the top draw managers endlessly mentioned on here.
    Pardew left us as he found us. Belfast earlier made the point that we wouldn’t be in this mess under Pardew. I agree. He had seen if all before and you saw what happened when under Carver players don’t respect the manager.

  • 86 Belfast // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:01 PM

    Stewards inquiry!!!!

    I think I actually said we would be in this mess under any manager Ian.

  • 87 Jail for Ashley // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:01 PM

    Blackey,
    We just don’t know !

  • 88 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:06 PM

    Every manager is going to struggle with MA’s recruitment strategy, no player worth his salt is going to come here for 40-50k a week when Swansea and West Ham give them 90-100k.

    Flawed flawed flawed..

  • 89 Tsunki // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10 PM

    Pardew could see this happening. He saw the strategy and thought it was time to bale because he knew his dismal record up until then was heading to new depths if he stayed. Poor Stevie Mac walked into the perfect storm not realising what an idiotic ethos held sway under Ashley and his stooges. “Don’t worry about players Steve, we’ve got some real good ‘uns coming in, just get the lads ready for the preseason. We’ll talk about transfers in December. If necessary”.

    I saw a mention that Ashley had ” become a better owner”. Really? On what is that interesting statement based? I think he’s exactly the same as he always has been, a greedy man, interested in profits and all other considerations are secondary. End. I deeply mistrust any pep talks that suggest we ‘get behind’ anyone in this company. A lot of us who grudgingly allowed a healthily sceptical optimism have obviously been shown to be right. The players themselves are joining the ‘doom and gloomers’.

  • 90 Ian Toon // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:18 PM

    Belfast- I withdraw. Then I guess it’s I said it- Oops! Anyone !
    We should have cleared the decks of duffers- managers don’t like so many on high(er) wages that don’t feature in their thoughts. We should have freshened up the squad with experience of the PL. we are were as are.
    Are you a Rugby fan?

  • 91 Ian Toon // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:24 PM

    Toon P- it would help if we had Financial negotiators who knew something about football. I liked Chris Mort a lawyer but a good guy who was very approachable which is probably why he didn’t last very long.

  • 92 Tinman // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:25 PM

    I have to say I think this will be a tight game.
    It’s games at Norwich, West Brom etc where the players struggle to get motivation when in a slump.
    There will be little pressure against Chelsea so they will probably play quite well…

    And lose 2-1

  • 93 Tinman // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:27 PM

    It seems we have got the mental aspect of the players we previously recruited wrong. Thauvin could probably be added to that list. We will see.

  • 94 Ian Toon // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:29 PM

    Tsunki- he bailed out as you put it because the Palace Chairman finally met Asley’s release sum. We had been approached twice before but they sent for Warnock and Pulis.
    Pardew wife and children were fed up with the Geordie hospitality.

  • 95 Blackley and Brownlie // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:33 PM

    Tsunki
    On your theory that Pardew and Makro didn’t realise what they were walking into. I give them more credit.

    What puzzles me is their high assessments of their squads before the seasons start and their clear surprise when things don’t go anywhere near as well as they thought they would.

  • 96 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:42 PM

    Ian,

    I liked Chris Mort, he probably seen everything coming and bailed also. Im not sure it would help though as footballers are greedy, especially the French players who fancy themselves as superstars. But it is a short career, can’t blame them.

    We are used as a stepping stone to double their wages from what they get in France but sooner or later they want the 80-100k contract or as close to it as possible.

    They spew on about Champions League and trophies but it’s really all about the money. Ba, Remy, Debuchy, Cabaye, Sissoko sooner rather than later.

    The sooner we start paying 80-100k a week out to quality players and start to compete with other clubs in our bracket, the quicker the problems will heal at the club. I really believe that. Proven Premier league players because the balance is well off in the squad. We need a massive dose of experience integrated into the squad quickly for me.

    No more young potentially good players, no more bedding in times either. Im going to crack on at work I’ll try and pop on later.

  • 97 Tsunki // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:44 PM

    Ian, that’s your opinion, I put it to you it’s not as plausible as you think. The Geordie ‘hospitality’ as you deprecatingly put it, is just fine. It kept Pardew employed for years longer than most managers would have been. And I’m sure he is on record as saying that he, his wife, kids, pets and his accountant never felt threatened. And to think he was an afterthought of the Palace chairman and not a long tapped-up shoe in is highly naive.




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