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Why Has Nothing Seemed To Change This Season?

9:29 am, Thursday, September 24th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 92 Comments

If you just look at Newcastle’s results in the eight games we have played so far this season we have only one win, against a League Two Side and five defeats, and in five of those games we haven’t scored.

So nothing much seems to have changed from last season when in our last eleven league games we had one win and nine defeats under John Carver, and we failed to score in five of those games.

worried looking mike ashley yesterday

Mike Ashley and Lee Charnley shown on May 24th against West Ham

We still find it very difficult to score goals and in the final third of the field we are powder puff and just cannot put the ball into the back of the net

In defense, we are still too porous and opposing teams find it too easy to score goals against us.

We are also starting to lose games in the first half and concede early goals like we did against West Ham and Watford.

There are some good signs this season and our performances at Manchester United and Arsenal are better than  any we gave in the second half of last season in terms of a defensive performance.

But in our last three games, which have been against weaker opponents we have hardly looked resilient and have found it difficult to score goals.

In the last two seasons – the first two under the three year £3.1B deal – we have received around £80M from the Premier League and are likely to receive a similar amount next May – wherever we finally finish up in the league.

Then the total Premier League money goes up to £5B for the next three years, an increase of 70% and we are likely to start to receive around £136M for the three years after next May.

That’s assuming we stay in the Premier League.

Mike Ashley is not going to take kindly to a relegation next May, especially after he gave out £52M to Lee Charnley and the Board to bring in new players this summer to strengthen the squad.

It’s hard to say Charnley has done his job and got the best bang for the buck with the players we have brought in over the summer – not yet anyway.

So we have to assume that if things don’t improve fairly soon, Ashley will  helicopter into Newcastle and have a high-level meeting and try to find out exactly what’s wrong at Newcastle.

Ashley will also want to ensure that Charnley and the Board have identified players we can bring in during the January transfer window to strengthen the squad.

Of the four players we have brought in over the summer only Mbemba and Wijnaldum have performed anywhere near their potential and Thauvin and Mitrovic have struggled so far.

It’s not quite a crisis right now at Newcastle, but defeats against Chelsea and Manchester City will mean one win in our first ten games and seven defeats.

That’s not good and that’s a crisis.

Comments welcome.



Tags: Coaching · Management · Newcastle News · Other News · Transfer News and Rumours




92 responses so far ↓

  • 1 lochinvar // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:34 AM

    Cardiff City are giving fans the chance to select the songs played at games by introducing a ‘Bluebirds Jukebox’. (Wales Online)

    We could have our own version of ” Toon Tunes ”
    First track would be ” The theme from Lost ”

    Others ?

  • 2 jayphoto // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:37 AM

    One thing is for sure, that Norwich game is absolutely huge in October! Think if we have less than 6 points after the Mackem game (Which is quite possible) McClaren will resign. Traditionally he’s not one to stick around ala carver and pardew when he’s out of ideas

  • 3 jayphoto // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:38 AM

    @Lochinvar – talking heads – we’re on a road to nowhere?

  • 4 davetoon // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:47 AM

    @jayphoto Gold, thats the first song that came into my mind also 😀

    on another note – i heard the other day that SMc now has only 3 wins in his past 19 games with Newcastle and Derby. Is that true?

  • 5 Goldmbemba // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:49 AM

    Situations like this are a reminder not to make a football club your idol.

  • 6 Rotonda heights // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:50 AM

    We had 3 Dutch players who played in the World Cup semi finals last year and we were playing at home against a championship team who had made 10 changes from their normal line – up!!

    Absolutely shameful. SM was never the right choice, he was just the ”safe” choice. Yet another mediocre Brit manager palmed off on the fans, when we were crying out for a new direction under a Tuchel / Viera type.

    Carr, Charnley and SM simply don’t cut it at a club with 50000+ home fans.

    I still think we have some excellent players, yes not enough and we have some shockers too, but we have just had this endless procession of dour, uninspiring managers like Dalglish, Souness, Allardyce, Pardew, Carver, and now SM.

    None of the latter are exactly blue sky thinkers and they have all just served up a feast of defensive, long ball non – football for what seems an eternity now.

    With regular relegation flirtations they are hardly what you’d call safe options either.

  • 7 jayphoto // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:51 AM

    yea against Blackpool Wigan and Northampton…. so 2 now league one clubs and a league 2 club…
    Feel for McClaren, not sure the results are his fault, the stench was around the first team long before he came

  • 8 lesh // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:52 AM

    Jayphoto Lochinvar

    As they’re Burning Down the House too!

  • 9 Rotonda heights // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:53 AM

    davetoon

    at this rate SM will break carver’s and AP’s record losing sequences

  • 10 Toontaff // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:56 AM

    As soon as the wally with the brolly was named manager I knew we would struggle ,, no decent manager would have given colo a new deal never mind make him captain and a proper boss would not have bought that useless cart horse French winger especially when we got young arrons

  • 11 Rotonda heights // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:57 AM

    Jay

    The way we are set up is so negative though. if we can’t even attack a championship reserve team at home with 5 dutch internationals in the team the writing is on the wall.

    yes there has been a stench around the place but it is only being perpetuated by someone who plays totally defensive football, despite having 4 quality (on paper) new players come in.

  • 12 Slank // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:58 AM

    The problem could be any one or a combination of these:

    The coaching staff are not good enough even though in general the players are good enough.

    The coaching staff are good enough but the players in general aren’t good enough.

    The coaching staff and players aren’t good enough.

    The tactics and formation is not suitable for the players available.

    The stadium and crowd are fatalistic which has rubbed off on the players as has been suggested by the Chronicle (Is it by the tension of playing at a ground where the default setting is fatalistic? Or is it the system that is discouraging individuality? It’s probably a bit of both but even players who had a bit of spark and invention under John Carver seemed to have been cowed in recent weeks. )

    The tactics and formation is suitable for the players, the coaching staff and players are good enough but something (the ‘X’ factor) has not been found. Will it be found is the question.

    Strange as it may seem I expect us to beat Chelsea and draw at Man City.

  • 13 Rotonda heights // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:01 AM

    toontaff

    you’re not wrong. add selling abeid and kemen, dropping aarons and perez, not hooking janmatt at swansea when everyone could see he was going to see red, etc, etc.

    SM is a much more likeable character than either AP or JC and isn’t abusive at the drop of a hat, but he still has shown no sign of a plan B or setting up to attack.

  • 14 jayphoto // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:02 AM

    @Rotonda – yeah I agree with that. We’ve got the players to at least go out and have a go. If anything we’ve got the personnel to be more suited to attacking than defending. I mean, pretty sure we were in the bottom 3 for worst defences last year…? why do managers see our godawful defence and make it their game plan

  • 15 davetoon // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:02 AM

    i was one that didnt want McClaren or think he was a good fit but now that he;s here – we have to give him time. I would say bottom 3 at Christmas would be my tipping point.

    Watching Tuchel manage so well at Dortmund where that could have easily gone wrong after their Talisman left makes me think more about what could have been

  • 16 Rotonda heights // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:03 AM

    slank

    th odds on that double must be off the scale!!

  • 17 sickandtired // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    4-2-3-1 now played under the third ‘coach’ in the hot seat in a row. Sorry like, but to me it’s clear that tactics as well as signings are being instructed from above.
    Ashley’s model of ‘ultimate’ control is the cause of it all, not whoever sits in the dug out. McClaren was never the man for the job – but whoever that actually is, is someone Ashley wouldn’t want anyway.
    NO Manager here – that’s the official policy. That’s as busted right now as it has been for the 9 seasons Ashley and his boot licking appointments have been here trying to re-invent the football wheel.

  • 18 Slank // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    Rotonda @ 6

    If you believe in ‘horses for courses’ you would know from past history that our achievements have not been the stuff of legend in this and all previous incantations of this cup competition. Getting knocked out early in the competition appears to be par for the course.

  • 19 SPRINGY // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:05 AM

    Lochinvar
    Queen under pressure

  • 20 Slank // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:06 AM

    Rotonda @ 16

    Worth a bet or two though !

  • 21 SPRINGY // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:07 AM

    Lochinvar
    Or any song from the album appetite for destruction by guns and roses…just for the album title

  • 22 SPRINGY // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    Slank
    That would be se odds!

  • 23 SPRINGY // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:11 AM

    Some#

  • 24 Rotonda heights // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    sick and tired

    As a conspiracy theory I’m not sure ashey even knows what a 4231 or 433 or 451 is, let alone dictate it!!! His knowlege of football could be written on a postage stamp.

    Lochinvar you were so spot on when you said ”
    lochinvar // Sep 24, 2015 at 9:18 AM

    Mclaren is the face of beige. He was the safe bet that Charnley and Carr predictably turned to after Carver rather than having the vision of starting a new era at the club.

    There’s a book out there “How not to run a business.” .. NUFC have many chapters

  • 25 Slank // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    I think beating Chelsea and drawing at Man City come under the heading of ‘sods law’

  • 26 sickandtired // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:16 AM

    @Rotanda – that’s why he clearly gives Carr so much power.

  • 27 Beavis // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    I think that beating Chelski & drawing against Man City comes under the heading of fantasy! Never mind 4-2-3-1, at the weekend we’ll play a 6-3-1 setup & attempt to park the bus for a point.

    Back to last night though, Simpson was in the technical area directing things for the vast majority of the match so clearly us passing the ball backwards & forwards across the back 4 and, in the first half at least, Janmaat & Mbemba being so high up the pitch was by design. Clearly us mere mortals don’t have the capacity to understand what they were trying to do!

  • 28 The overrated Frenchman // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Why has nothing seemed to change?…asks Ed…seriously, how can you not see the answer writ large. Ashley. Carr. Charnley. Dysfunctional squad. Inadequate head coach. Same old formula. Why would anything be different? Wasn’t this season always going to be another train wreck waiting to happen?

  • 29 Jib // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    Rotondas Law

    Only foreign managers are any good.
    Only English players are any good.

    I’ve heard of bi-polar
    Never heard of bi-xenophobic

  • 30 Rotonda heights // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:33 AM

    sick and tired

    i’m very worried about the power carr has. shocking record as a manager and people who know him tell me his style was shocking

  • 31 Tinman // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:33 AM

    Lochinvar,
    In all seriousness, for a long time I wanted to hear a players song choice at half time. Could get that player extra pumped up (even 0.1% is better). Also lets fans get to know the player a little better and build a stronger relationship, which is important.

  • 32 Tinman // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:40 AM

    When we come to what is wrong with the team my gaze fixes mainly on one man, Moussa Sissoko (He is the top of a long list).

    Picking out individuals may be harsh but I feel it is justified in this case. He is lazy, looks disinterested during the game and thinks he is better than Newcastle. He shows class in bursts, with the right application he could be a monster.

    I heard McClaren and Simpson shouting at the players to get the ball forwards last night. Pass it quicker they said. Get it forwards they said. The players continued to pass sideways.
    Sissoko was called over, being a senior figure and a ‘key player’, McClaren spoke to him for around about 90 seconds, he was animated, waving his arms around and I could hear him telling Mouss to get it forwards faster, inject pace and up the tempo. The reaction from Sissoko was to shrug his shoulders, spin on his heel and trot off. An awful reaction. Disinterested. Didn’t care. No respect for the manager.

    Maybe that is McClaren’s fault. Does he have the balls to drop players who won’t listen to him? Time will tell. But if he doesn’t then he will go, the players will remain and the same problem will repeat once more.

  • 33 bettyswallocks // Sep 24, 2015 at 10:46 AM

    We have had the fewest shots on goal of any team in the football league including the conference, confirmed this morning on talk sport. This team is not working and it was clear for all to see at West Ham that we do not look like scoring . Is there a solution?

    The only possible hope we haveuntil January when maybe something can be done in the transfer window is to get the ball to Mitrovic either from the wings or with a forward pass, and either he tries to score or holds it up for someone else to score.

    Now that’s not too complicated is it. I hope someone from the club reads this and passes it on to the coaching team as they seem to have recognised the problem but can’t find a solution.

  • 34 Rotonda heights // Sep 24, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    Betty

    There is something very wrong in the state of denmark when we can’t fashion any chances from Wijnaldum. Thauvin, De Jong, Sissoko etc.

    These aren’t the worst players by any means, but it’s as if they have no respect for the manager or what he’s trying to do.

    We never see any killer through balls or cut backs for onrushing players to score, just endless hopeful crosses to a big lumbering target man when he manages to stay on the pitch.

    It’s like Crouch v croatia every week.
    SM doesn’t seem to have moved on that effectively.

  • 35 terencelim // Sep 24, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    Because you can’t achieve positive outcome with negative intention.

    ASHLEY OUT.

  • 36 beefman13 // Sep 24, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    Says something when a half strength Sheffield Wed fancy their chances big time away from home against us, We have no fear factor at all, wa all jelly n custard. another cup chance gone; Mike still here for that bit longer!!!

  • 37 Ibizatoon // Sep 24, 2015 at 11:29 AM

    Ed…Do you actually mean to ask that question?

    It has appeared recently that you don’t really have much time for those who were questioning whether a corner had been turned or not.

    I do completely understand the desire to be positive about our club, I also get that after a defeat we all feel the same pain. What I don’t understand though, is why when some have flipped back in to positive mode, they suddenly have no time for, and even look down on those who haven’t.

    There’s no right or wrong way to feel about our club at present. Not sure anyone can say things are rosy though. What’s more worrying is that it appears, from his comments, that Steve doesn’t know what they are and is simply just waiting for this all to just click in to place.

    For fans to have blind faith is understandable, but the manager?

    Something needs a shake up. We can’t bring new players in, it is still early to be talking about replacing McClaren, so he’s going to have to make some bold decisions to get this current squad peforming better and quickly.

    So much for my prediction of a win.

  • 38 hibbit // Sep 24, 2015 at 11:30 AM

    sheffield had us in there pocket from the ko they knew how we would play and stopped us in our tracks with a solid team performance they looked like the prem team /home team we were like a rabbit in the headlights no guts no pride shocking they should be ashamed and Mc clapping the crowd at the end what a fool

  • 39 AncientC // Sep 24, 2015 at 11:31 AM

    No change has been implemented, therefore it stands to reason that nothing has changed.

    The recruitment policy of players & managers is effectively the exact same.

    Anybody would think we were in the same boat as Barcelona were, when they were attempting to replace Guardiola… bringing in a manager closest to the status-quo, and giving him a few more players based on the same old philosophy.

    Same English manager with a dubious record.
    Same players with ‘potential’ being bought. (Potential being the same old money saving exercise)
    Practically the same football with an isolated striker.
    The exact same outlook of Newcastle not being in the same league as the Swansea’s, Everton’s, or, Southampton’s of English football.

    The question here should be, “has anything changed at all”?

  • 40 hibbit // Sep 24, 2015 at 11:34 AM

    Ibiza …we never looked like scoring never mind winning

  • 41 Laurent Robert The Legend // Sep 24, 2015 at 11:35 AM

    I think all that is lost, is lost now. We’ll have to think ahead from here. On the brighter side Sheff. Wed are up against Arsenal next. We would anyways not have had a chance against Arsenal. So it’s good that it saves a game for us. However, the team needs a huge tactical overhaul. There are players in this team whom if we can get best from, we should be good and away from relegation.
    Marveaux : No matter what people have missed to see in him, but honestly hes gem of a player with an great eye for pass.
    Perez : He scored all those goals last season, so we need to stop him playing on wings.
    Riviere : Had a very good last couple of games, if anyone remembers.
    Mitrovic : Can definitely do it.
    Thauvin : He does provide better service in to the box than anybody else in our team.
    Until January we have to make do with what we have, and if players are asked to play in right manner and discipline I think we could still be in a decent shape.
    We need to change 442 asap though.
    Team for Chelsea
    Krul
    Janmaat Mbemba Colo(No other choice 🙁 ) Heidarra/Anita
    Tiote(if available) / Colback
    Obertan Thauvin
    Mitrovic Perez

  • 42 Ibizatoon // Sep 24, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    hibbit…I was hopeful. Own goals get scored occasionally.

    Ancient…I have tried to look for the changes that others see. The best i could muster up is that there simply wasn’t enough change for it to have a great enough effect on the club as a whole.

    The more time goes on, the more it looks like really nothing has changed at all, just a name here and there.

  • 43 John Tudor // Sep 24, 2015 at 11:50 AM

    screwed on the pitch
    screwed off it
    ASHLEY OUT

  • 44 Malackay // Sep 24, 2015 at 11:57 AM

    I think the main problem is the whole mentality and philosophy of the club – we are used to losing.

    I liked the players we signed this summer and still do, but we really need to find a more balanced recruitment policy. No good adding 5 young players with no Prem experience to a group which is struggling as much as we did toward the end of last season.

    It was obvious (to some at least) that we needed to complement those signings with some hardened premiership players who have been there and done it. I think the fact we didn’t show any interest in Jonny Evans, Lescott, and decided to wait on Austin until he becomes cheaper, shows the naivety at the highest level of our club.

    I kept referring to it in my posts in the summer – we needed to sign character and players with right mentality (which was my main argument for Austin > Mirtovic – although I’m not righting Mit off)

  • 45 mindshaft // Sep 24, 2015 at 12:05 PM

    Think it’s obvious for any team to read our tactics – we are so slow to get the ball forward because players are just standing around not wanting it

  • 46 bills-son // Sep 24, 2015 at 12:06 PM

    Why has nothing changed this season?

    Because we still have the same weaknesses in the squad that I, and a few others, have been repeating for three seasons;

    – we have no shouters and leaders in the team
    – we have no genuinely physical and aggressive players other than Tiote
    – we have, and continue to buy, too many players who don’t add either of the above strengths to the squad (Mitrovic possibly excluded).

    As I have said many times before … we are a soft touch and any physical team – from any division – would love to play us, especially at their place.

  • 47 Jib // Sep 24, 2015 at 12:07 PM

    It now is a case of survive to take advantage of windows and the bad apples f@cked off.

    It would appear that the reliance on surrender monkeys has failed badly.

    I think Carr realised this a while ago hence the switch (Tow Van apart) to countries other than La Belle France.

  • 48 hibbit // Sep 24, 2015 at 12:23 PM

    the next 3 games are going to be fun..

  • 49 beefman13 // Sep 24, 2015 at 12:26 PM

    Bills, without doubt, we are as weak as water, Anita, central midfield omg, he would make a decent sweeper i think but that’s not going to happen.

    I watched Feyanoord a few seasons ago and Wijnaldum was top class he was playing on the wing, taking players on every time he had the ball, pace in abundance, something like 15 goals and equal assists, in that season, he just flutters in and out of games like Sissoko now, they all want their backsides kicking they really do, at this moment they are a disgrace to the black and white.

  • 50 Ian Toon // Sep 24, 2015 at 12:29 PM

    I want to see the strutting fans
    stick out their peacock chest
    and hope their support withstands
    to stand out from all the rest.

    To be at home among the crowd,
    a friend in every face;
    Our lives as something to be shared
    and not some squalid race.

    I like to see how people are
    who think they still belong,
    remember how You felt like them
    before your hope had gone.

  • 51 Ron Knee // Sep 24, 2015 at 12:30 PM

    hibbit
    I imagine Steve Black will have his hands full at the moment!

  • 52 hibbit // Sep 24, 2015 at 12:33 PM

    ron he’s having to work double shifts

  • 53 John Tudor // Sep 24, 2015 at 12:45 PM

    citeeh and khelski ………………for possibly 1 og angainst 9
    these lot are ffing clueless

  • 54 Rotonda heights // Sep 24, 2015 at 12:46 PM

    Malackay

    We had Butt, barton, Owen, duff, given, saylor and other brits the last time we went down.

    I don’t buy it’s all the foreigners fault. Look at the top clubs, all foreign coaches and largely foreign players.

  • 55 solano // Sep 24, 2015 at 12:47 PM

    Bills-son @ 46…you would think “The Greatest Owner Newcastle United have ever had” would be able to fix it after 8 years, wouldn’t you? 😉

  • 56 Jib // Sep 24, 2015 at 12:48 PM

    Ron
    How does the broad Geordie monsieur Black get his thoughts across to native French speakers ?

  • 57 Rotonda heights // Sep 24, 2015 at 12:50 PM

    if carr had been scouting riviere 2/3 years ago at monaco, how did he not notice martial.

  • 58 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 24, 2015 at 12:51 PM

    Rotonda,
    Martial had a €19million release clause. Carr may well have seen him, but he will also have known fine well we wouldn’t pay that.

  • 59 solano // Sep 24, 2015 at 12:54 PM

    Rotonda…Carr scouted Payet for 3 years too and I’m sure he would have been higher up the ‘to buy’ list than ‘Cry me’ Riviere. They thought Payet was too much of a gamble then at the price and this summer he was deemed too old!

  • 60 ulstertoon // Sep 24, 2015 at 12:55 PM

    I never wanted Steve McClaren, never. I said it before we hired him and I’ll say it again. An unambitious manager that got sacked from a championship club for not being good enough. and we expected him to turn our club around by signing kids?

  • 61 John Tudor // Sep 24, 2015 at 12:58 PM

    he did notice him but was told to buy shite @57

  • 62 stjp5 // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:00 PM

    You fans are getting what you deserved. You ran off Pardew and since he left NUFC has been one of the worst teams, if not the worst, in all of English football.

    He did not have the talent last season that this team has yet the players worked hard for him. It’s too bad he didn’t play the style you liked. See you in the Championship.

  • 63 anthc // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:05 PM

    Stuffed off chelsea stuffed off man city God knows with the Derby and Norwich.
    We are neck deep in the dirt and I can’t see any light anywhere nevermind the end of the tunnel. I think Charnley and carr need to be uncomfortably questioned as they together identify players and get them. Our current squad is far from good enough and no recognised striker started last night. Austin would’ve been a good choice although I appreciate he wouldn’t have us in the top 8 on his own. Testing times and my patience is wafer thin.

  • 64 Malackay // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:06 PM

    Rotonda

    No where did I say go and buy British players who are past their peak. I was pointing out the fact that the new signings were added to a poor core which already lacked character and prem experience. Signing 5 young prospects didn’t address this at all. I find it strange that you took those comments as “it’s all the foreigners faults”.

    I’ve said all along our recruitment policy needs balance, and I stand by that. If you don’t think our team need to add characters with premiership experience at the minute I’m not sure you’re watching the same team as me. My comments in no way equate to “sign British players who are looking for a final paycheck” as your reply suggest.

  • 65 solano // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:07 PM

    stjp @ 62 is spot on in one respect – the fans get what they deserve!
    However, his recall of the Pardew era is on a par with Ed’s…they weren’t halcyon days; the record proves they were terrible days too and 4 questionable summer signingslater, hasn’t changed the prognosis for McClaren.
    Tea Lady Out @ #8yearcommondenominator

  • 66 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:09 PM

    stjp5,
    At this stage last season we were in 19th place, winless, failed to score in 4 games and conceded 12 goals. We had played Villa, Stoke, Palace and Hull – all teams we should have been beating.

    We were just as bad under Pardew, and he is gone so it is largely irrelevant.

  • 67 AncientC // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:12 PM

    stjp5 – not hiring a better manager to replace Pardew has no bearing on how bad Pardew was for this club.

    Have you already forgotten the results he was churning out? Pardew was periodically getting worse all the time – probably averaging around 2 wins in every 10 towards the end.

    I wouldn’t swap McClaren for Pardew if offered. At least there is a chance things will improve with time under McClaren. Pardew had turned stale a long time ago.

    I have nothing against Pardew – I hope he does well at Palace. Perhaps managing a ‘backs against the wall’ type side that sees P.L. safety as a miracle is more about Pardew’s level… less pressure etc.

    Judge Pardew’s record at Newcastle on his record at Newcastle, not at Palace.

  • 68 Ibizatoon // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:12 PM

    “you fans”?

    I prefer Ed’s “Pardew Out Crew” personally.

    I like how it still has nothing to do with Palace actively pursuing Pardew and even buying out his contract with us.

    Pardew being here was never our biggest problem, and him not being here is not our problem now either.

  • 69 Reyantoon // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:12 PM

    stjp5….well spotted sir 🙂 🙂 🙂

  • 70 hibbit // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:13 PM

    can Mclaren turn this around 82%think not in the evening chronicle poll………what do you think ??

  • 71 Malackay // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:24 PM

    I’m not going to lie, I was a huge advocate of McClaren when it was mooted he was joining the club as I thought with him being a good coach he would get the best out of the group of players we have. It appears I may be wrong (although I still think it’s too early to tell) I guess what I didn’t consider is that whilst a “head coach” main priority is coaching, he still needs to command the respect of the players and needs to be able to motivate them through fear or respect which I am beginning to question SM’s ability to do.

    Carr getting a lot of stick on here but as many point out he has a remit as a scout – young players with re-sale value who cost no more than £15m and won’t demand north of £50k pw. This rules out the aforementioned Payet, Martial, Ayew etc. I actually like the players we have recruited and think they all have potential. However, we need a few finished products in the team as 90% of the team fall under either of two categories “talented with potential” or “just not good enough”.

    RE: Charnley – I find it strange that such an astute businessman such as Ashley would trust his investment to someone with no experience whatsoever. I genuinely feel I could run the club better, and no doubt I have a better CV than Charnley.

  • 72 BandB // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:25 PM

    I saw Solano being ticked off the other day that the idea that the “common denominator” behind eight years years of failure is Ashley was “not going down well” with bloggers.

    I’d hazard a guess it’s going down better than the Brave New World theory at the all of a sudden.

    I predicted last week that McClaren would have his players and formation in mind and would sit tight in the hope that it came right by blind faith. He has now confirmed himself that this is the plan.

    I also said our “strong squad” was just a couple of injuries and suspensions from having to play academy kids….and sure enough.

    Ashley needs to get out of football. He is a shopkeeper, and is trying to make the low costs/high margins policy that has worked for Sports Direct work in football. And it is working in his terms, because he doesn’t care about the football. He is a leech, and he will destroy this club.

  • 73 sweendog // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:26 PM

    shades of last season.
    I think if the fans get behind the team and with Mitrovic back things will be on the up.
    Do think our spine is weak, we need a tough no nonsense CB, and LB, another Striker and a DM who is like Sissoko but can tackle.
    Also pushing on we need cover in LB, RB,CB, and RW.

  • 74 jimmysmith // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:27 PM

    I recognise Pardew had been through too much to likely find any genuine and lasting success at Newcastle, But our current travails stem from his leaving. I’d back him to have this group of players in the top eight. He knew the ropes, for better or worse. McClaren by comparison is drowning.

  • 75 Mag52 // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:34 PM

    Stjp5.

    Spot on Stjp. Couldn’t have put it better myself.

  • 76 hibbit // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:35 PM

    dont be daft jimmy this is not a top 8 squad with or without pardue to many second rate players and first rate cowards in it

  • 77 barkel // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:38 PM

    Everyone saying Pardew would this or that need to look at the history books, sure we had one good season but we had some of the worst football and results in as long as I can remember. Pardew is not here and he was lucky to be here, no one wanted him when he got the job and the majority didn’t want him when he left for Palace

  • 78 Malackay // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:42 PM

    Sky Sports saying Klopp would cut short his sabbatical for the right Prem job……. we can only dream!

  • 79 Average_Contents // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:42 PM

    In answer to ed’s headline.

    I could go on about club policy in regards to the players we sign, ambition or lack thereof, Infact any number of things but many already know the reason.

    Ashley.

    The end.

  • 80 hibbit // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:47 PM

    not even sure Klopp could get this lot playing to win,,,, but a nice thought all the same

  • 81 Mag52 // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:51 PM

    Hibbitt.

    We have a squad with the addition of two seriously decent players (Mbemba and Gini) and two the jury is still out on, plus a fit again De Jong as compared to that which we had when Pardew left.
    We were sitting in 9th. place when he left. Is it really so far fetched to imagine he would have got this team into the top 8 ? I don’t think so.

  • 82 BandB // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:54 PM

    Ashley has one plan.
    That is to get his money back and get the club lean and fit to cash in on a sale when the market comes to its apex.
    All he wants in the meantime is to stay in the league with the minimum possible sweat. Not a penny will be invested that does not serve those ends.

  • 83 stjp5 // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:56 PM

    I never said Pardew was a great manager or even terribly successful. I did say the players under him worked hard and that this year’s team has more talent than last’s.

    Yes Pardew’s record at this time last season was awful but they turned it around decent enough. If SM is a good manager this team can get out of the hole.

    I understand fans want the club to as successful as it is big. However, I think NUFC is in real danger of relegation and that the demands of “Ashley Out” will make relegation more likely by making the atmosphere more negative for all.

    I feel for you as you seem to be in a catch-22. You demand real long-term changes (not undeservedly), while short-term you’re team is in danger. Good luck.

  • 84 G // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:56 PM

    Some depressing reading copied from f365:

    1 – Shots on target against Sheffield Wednesday on Wednesday evening.

    1 and 2 – Last season’s league positions of Newcastle’s next two opponents. If you thought Sheffield Wednesday was bad, wait for Chelsea and Manchester City.

    2 – Points picked up from their last nine league away games

    3 – League goals this season. The lowest in the country.

    4 – Wins in all competitions in 2015. Those beaten sides – Hull City, Aston Villa, West Ham and Northampton Town.

    4 – Consecutive defeats

    6 – Matches won by Steve McClaren since the beginning of February. Derby fell from second position on February 7 to eighth by the end of the season.

    8 – The league position McClaren publicly declared as the club’s ambition for the season. That and to win a trophy. It better be the FA Cup.

    10 – Changes made by Sheffield Wednesday for their Capital One Cup victory at St James’ Park.

    10 – League games since Newcastle last scored more than twice.

    12.5 – McClaren’s win percentage. That’s the worst in Newcastle’s history and 2.5% worse than John Carver’s record.

    14 – League points since Alan Pardew left.

    40 – League points picked up by Alan Pardew since he left.

    15 – League shots on target. The lowest in the Premier League.

    37 – Chances created in the Premier League. Not only is that the lowest in the division, it’s 45 fewer than Southampton.

    54 – League games since Newcastle last scored more than three times in a match.

    32,222 – Average weekly wage of a Newcastle player (estimated in May).

    46,700,000 – Amount spent in pounds on new players this summer. Newcastle have already spent more this season than in any other season in their history.

  • 85 jimmysmith // Sep 24, 2015 at 1:56 PM

    They didn’t appear anywhere near as second rate or cowardly when he was the gaffer, although admittedly the derby record is difficult to reconcile. So many of the losses suffered under Pardew came as a result of imbalance and lack of depth in the squad, and players having little to play for past Christmas thanks to the clubs attitude to the Cups.

    This group is undone by the legacy of the second half of last season, the tough start to this, and working under a new coaching set up, with 4 new and relatively inexperienced players in the mix

    I think McClaren will do in two years with this squad and the money mooted, that Pardew would achieve in one, although McClaren may prove the better coach over time, as he comes to better grips with it. He might also take us down this year, which would be highly unlikely under Pardew with the same group.

  • 86 Reyantoon // Sep 24, 2015 at 2:02 PM

    Malackay…..It’s Liverpool.They are preparing to sack Brendan Rodgers soon.McLaren is lucky he will not be the first one!!

  • 87 lesh // Sep 24, 2015 at 2:12 PM

    Folks hoping that Mitro might just return and start scoring should bear in mind that Citeh, Chelski and other clubs will have the players who cam rattle him to the point where he’s sent off.

    Let’s hope that officials bear that in mind and keep an eye open for Mitro being provoked into a dismissible offence.

  • 88 jayphoto // Sep 24, 2015 at 2:13 PM

    nee chance of McClaren getting sacked. He’d walk long before it came to that. Reckon he’d have to go past Christmas without a win to get the sack.
    Can’t see us getting owt against Chelsea or Man City but it’s glaringly obvious the whole team and game plan is based around Mitrovic. Nearly 50 crosses against Watford and nearly all our play was focused wide.
    was a big fan of thauvin at Bastia, but he needs to sit on the bench and be introduced gradually with cameos. In the last 3 games he’s offered less than Obertan would have given (which is an achievement in itself.)
    Must admit I would have tried Gouffran upfront against sheff wed, he was a striker his whole career before Newcastle signed him. Perez and De Jong are #10’s and look lost up top alone

  • 89 Malackay // Sep 24, 2015 at 2:18 PM

    Reyantoon – I’m aware of the Liverpool link but I’m allowed to dream 🙂

  • 90 lesh // Sep 24, 2015 at 2:20 PM

    Malackey

    You reckon you’ve got a better CV than Charnley?

    Well, he got his GCSE in General Studies – what can you offer to better his qualifications for the job.

  • 91 Malackay // Sep 24, 2015 at 2:26 PM

    An A* in RE …… I’d have god on my side which would be useful as we need a miracle!

  • 92 Ian Toon // Sep 24, 2015 at 2:27 PM

    Jimmy ( Jinky) Smith- There’s much truth in what you have said about Pardew and his leaving. Any long time supporter will tell you that the year 2015 is one of the very poorest in our history. Pardew was an average manager and one of the lowest paid managers in the league. He was far more competent than he ever given credit for. He worked within a ridiculously small budget which somehow was held against him. He left us in ninth position and the Ashley appointed Carver and the wheels fell off.

    We had games under Pardew when we played well above ourselves and matched and beat the best of the PL. the only side I recall not beating in that category was Arsenal but who will forget the 4-4, draw coming back from a seemingly hopeless position. Tiote wasn’t the only player motivated by Pardew on that ocassion. We showed we could match the best in finishing 5th and we’re having are at season until Cabaye left without being replaced and again the wheels fell off.

    The defence has been a major weakness for seasons but again before Pardew left we had five shutouts which proved defensive capability. In fact prior to Pardew’s departure we had to operate with a third choice keeper in the side. He was highly respected by the players just as he is at Palace. The side he has fashioned there has pace, power and no small measure of skill.

    I agree with Jimmy we wouldn’t be in the dire state were in now. Be careful what you wish for!




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