Alan Pardew´s Comments Seem Accurate – Here´s Why


There is a bit of a firestorm going on at the moment because of Alan Pardew´s comments that when Crystal Palace play at Manchester City in the 4th round of the League Cup he will be able to play a better side than he took to Manchester City on October 29th last year when we won the game 2-0 with Newcastle.

The team Alan Pardew played showed 6 changes to the side that had beaten Tottenham 2-1 the previous Sunday – so we assume Alan will play his best side at Crystal Palace and that should be a better side than he started last October.

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Alan Pardew – controversial comments – they are accurate

This is what Alan told the Croydon Advertiser:

“The draw came very quickly after the Charlton win, so the air went out of our balloon a little bit when we saw that.” 

“I do want a cup run. Ironically, when I was at Newcastle last year, we won in that competition at City, so it’s not impossible.” 

“That team I took there that night, that particular team, isn’t as good as the Palace team I have.” 

“So, we did it that night and I believe we can do it with this team at Palace.” 

Here´s the side that started at Tottenham on Sunday, October 26th last year and we won the game 2-1 after being 1-0 down at half time – that’s the game when Sammy Ameobi scored within seconds of the restart.:

Newcastle (4-3-3): Tim Krul; Daryl Janmaat, Steven Taylor, Fabricio Coloccini (c), Paul Dummett; Moussa Sissoko, Vurnon Anita, Jack Colback; Gabriel Obertan, Ayoze Perez , Yoan Gouffran

And here´s the side that started on the following Wednesday that showed six changes and has fringe players like Elliot, Haidara, Ryan Taylor, Abeid, Armstrong and Aarons in the starting line-up:

Newcastle (4-3-3): Rob Elliot; Daryl Janmaat, Fabricio Coloccini (c), Paul Dummett, Massadio Haidara; Ryan Taylor, Mehdi Abeid, Jack Colback; Gabriel Obertan, Adam Armstrong, Rolando Aarons

And as we found out later,  Aarons had a hamstring problem and shouldn´t have played in that game and he was out from November 1st until almost the end of last season with hamstring problems.

We were very disappointed with the side when it was announced an hour before the kick-off and this is what we said about the team before the game:

“Certainly it’s a strange side with Paul Dummett at center-back and Haidara in at left back, and Rob Elliot is in as Tim Krul takes a rest.” 

“But this is by no means the best side Newcastle could have played tonight, so Liverpool on Saturday is the big priority.” 

“We had thought (or maybe hoped is the better word) that Alan would essentially start his best team – but there are seven changes (correction – there were actually six – wrong again) from the side that started on Sunday.” 

“And Steven Taylor is not even on the bench tonight.” 

So it´s reasonable for Alan Pardew to say he will start a better side than that particular team that night on October 29th – we thought we would get hammered when that team was announced and Manchester  City started a strong side.

Pardew could even start his best Crystal Palace side in that game since he is not restricted to play second string sides in the cups like he was when he was at Newcastle.

So his statement seems pretty accurate to us.

It´s a stretch to say he´s having a go at Newcastle.

It also looks like Alan selects the players he wants in the transfer market – and that could be something we adopt at Newcastle and not let Graham Carr have most of the say on which players we sign.

Comments welcome.



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77 comments so far

  • Transfer Sage

    Sep 29, 2015 at 4:43 PM

    Comment #1

    On the previous article…..

    Our players are not motivated when playing teams around us, onl seem to turn up for the big teams.

    We need to find a way to get the players motivated. No good saying moneu should motivate them as money isn’t a long term motivating factor, unless it’s having money to survive.

    Need to get the players wanting to play well. Whether that’s pishijg for cups, furthering themselves or getting international football.

    Also need to be smarter tactically, we struggle normally but two up top worked very well last week, not like we got over ran in midfield

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Sep 29, 2015 at 4:43 PM

    Comment #2

    Repost:
    The problems we have are almost the same as any other club outside the top 6!

    …we just think it’s different for us because we have Mike Ashley!…it’s not!

    We face the same problems at SJP as Everton at Goodison when we face a team outside the top 6.

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  • toon kk

    Sep 29, 2015 at 4:52 PM

    Comment #3

    Ts
    there’s maybe just to much pressure on us to preform, the fans want success ( which is only natural) but the players simply haven’t got the motivation, explaining why we rarely turn up.
    I not sure some are even bothered most of the time. Fitness is also an issue we’re always knackered come the second half.

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  • toon kk

    Sep 29, 2015 at 5:05 PM

    Comment #4

    Jasper
    the difference between us and other clubs is there’s a buy to sell regime at our club, which prevents us from buying proven quality player’s to help us now.

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  • Toon-Prodigy

    Sep 29, 2015 at 5:06 PM

    Comment #5

    What a night that was, brilliant. One of a few highlights from last season.

    Mint result.

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  • hibbit

    Sep 29, 2015 at 5:10 PM

    Comment #6

    toon kk the fitness levels this season are no were near good enough and i blame the poor pre season on a very poor tour that charnley and carver arranged i dont think the squad are any were near 100% fit…….it was down hill from 60mins on sunday for most

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Sep 29, 2015 at 5:26 PM

    Comment #7

    toon kk …we buy better players than most outside the top 6!

    …of course it’s not perfect! Both SOTON and Swansea have dealt with this issue.

    Stop pitting yourself mate 😉

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  • Our Toon

    Sep 29, 2015 at 5:31 PM

    Comment #8

    Alot of talk about buying proven premier league experienced players, can those peddling these views by claiming its not as much of a risk please explain to me how “proven premier league players” have failed at other clubs?

    Torres cost £50m from Liverpool to Chelsea proven premier league player and what a dud he turned out to be. Damien Duff another one here he was a dud, Phil Jones at man utd, Andy Carroll, Stuart downing, dejan lovren….i could go on. Players adapt to different clubs in different ways, it’s more than going out on the pitch and showing form alot is mental, culture etc. This proven premier league player thing is utter rubbish

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  • Lindisfarne

    Sep 29, 2015 at 5:35 PM

    Comment #9

    From the previous article:
    Why Newcastle’s Overall Approach To Games Must Change

    It is very simplistic to just say that the players don’t try as hard as they do against the top 6 sides. Plus a huge generalisation to say “the crowd expect 3 points and want the team to attack”.

    And another thing AP can F off!

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  • Jib

    Sep 29, 2015 at 5:40 PM

    Comment #10

    Hibbit
    I’m pretty sure details of the US trip were released before Christmas 2014 when Pardew was still here .
    It was a good idea then , because I think a few signings were planned for January , but with AP down the road all transfers were put on hold.
    Ideally when Pardew went , the trip should have been cancelled , but perhaps contracts had been signed.

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  • Jib

    Sep 29, 2015 at 5:45 PM

    Comment #11

    Lindisfarne – And another thing AP can F off!

    Erm – he did – on 2nd January 2015

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  • Jib

    Sep 29, 2015 at 5:48 PM

    Comment #12

    Our Toon
    Quite right
    Look at Loic Remy on Saturday he was gash for Chelsea – 14 goals in 22 for us – go figure.

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  • toon kk

    Sep 29, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    Comment #13

    Our Toon
    Bringing young players under 21 with no premier league experience is also a massive gamble. Mash has been doing it for years and were second bottom. Of course any player can be a gamble. But experienced player’s cuts the odds of failure.

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  • Toon-Prodigy

    Sep 29, 2015 at 5:57 PM

    Comment #14

    Ourtoon,

    For me personally, it’s not just about having proven Premier League players, It’s having leaders and men at the club, something I think we are missing currently. Plenty of potential apparantly here already at the club so I think having a few experienced heads in the squad will be good for everyone.

    Every signing is a gamble of sorts but our blueprint at the moment hasn’t exactly pulled any tree’s up this past 3-4 years.

    I really do hope they go for experience in January, not overboard, just add 3-4 into the 25. They don’t have to be for fortunes.

    Then ship some of the deadwood out.

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  • Big Pappa Cissé

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:02 PM

    Comment #15

    Don’t know why, but we look so much better playing 4-4-2 even playing some players out of position .

    I would rather we went :

    —-Thuavin——Sissoko—–Wijnaldum——Aarons—-

    ——————–Mitrovic——–Perez———————

    Mitrovic needs service and not just chipped balls through the middle .

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  • toon kk

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:03 PM

    Comment #16

    Toon prodigy
    Agree its about having the right balance and leaders.

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  • lesh

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:07 PM

    Comment #17

    Jib

    If memory serves me well, Carver first referred to the pre-season tour by saying he’d been involved in discussions about iy was excited by it. He also referred to the possibility of working with his own players etc.

    Pardew, as you know, was down the road by then.

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  • Mister Tuff

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:09 PM

    Comment #18

    Ian Toon – in response to your latest trickster post – I am obliged to respond to counter your artiface, hypocrisy and outrageous arrogance.
    You complain about personal abuse – is this the same type of abuse when you accused me of bestiality – or is there another type of abuse.
    Because I challenge you as to a non football related poetry extract you assume wrongly that I do not like poetry -wrong again -jumping to
    a conculsion because it fits your hatred and divisive agenda.
    Just stop your blog mischief.
    I have an inkling your employment may be connecteed to the NHS. I really hope this is not so – if it is you need to consider a change in direction
    – to protect the public from your poisonous diatribe. I foresee a Doctor Death or a Pyscho Physio.
    (no need to respond Norm’ I’m really getting sick of your skulduggery).

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  • lesh

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:11 PM

    Comment #19

    Jib

    Maybe we should try to sign Remy in January? He sure did the business in the time he was with us.

    But, would he be guaranteed a start in every game? Guarantee that and we’ll pi$$ Perez off, big time.

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM

    Comment #20

    I see no problems with the players we bought…only with the players we didn’t buy (the obvious of course)

    …it needs to be balanced of course; every club outside the top 6 face the same problems as us. We need a few quality English players and few players with PL experience. Lets hope these are the next in line.

    But I wouldn’t take the transfer dealing of more than a few teams outside the top 6 compared to us. Our main problem is we undercooked it this year again.

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  • toon kk

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:14 PM

    Comment #21

    Jesper
    we’ve bought 57 varieties for years mate, admit we’ve bought better this summer than some clubs, we’ve brought some good players in but the majority have been chancers and we’re paying the price. Where’s the pace for a start? We’ve never been able to score from a corner for god knows how long.

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  • lesh

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:14 PM

    Comment #22

    Mr Tuff

    Ian Toon accused you of bestiality did he?

    It’s pointless arguing with him, you’d be flogging a dead horse!

    Ah but that’d be sadism, necrophilia and bestiality.

    😉

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  • Ian Toon

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:18 PM

    Comment #23

    Lesh- Ha ha! He’s lost his sense of humour as well – he can dish it out but can’t take it!

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:22 PM

    Comment #24

    took kk…I still believe the problem is the players we didn’t buy (the obvious of course)

    …we undercooked it and have done for a few years.

    The players are proven quality from their respected leagues and even International. There’s always a risk!

    It seems the problem though has more to do with Newcastle than the players…just my opinion. 🙂

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  • Mister Tuff

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:23 PM

    Comment #25

    Ian Toon – I can take anything you throw out. Now get back to the motel Norm.

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  • Toon-Prodigy

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:29 PM

    Comment #26

    Lol has anyone seen the clip of the Toon players on PES 16?

    Howay Konami!

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  • Jib

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:31 PM

    Comment #27

    Lesh
    Your memory serves you very well (better than mine 🙁 )

    This was dated 26 April 2015 , it never happened and it looks like the final tour was a compromise

    News breaking in the States, that Newcastle United are heading for a USA pre-season trip, competing in a tournament in Texas in July.

    Dallas Fort Worth will feature six teams from around the world with Newcastle United joined by Lyon (France), Pachuca (Mexico), Swansea , Malaga (Spain) and Raja Casablanca (Morocco) from July 9-19.

    The games will be played at the Cotton Bowl Stadium in Dallas and Toyota Stadium in Frisco.

    An outline schedule has been released and the location of which games will be played at which stadium (Cotton Bowl/Toyota Stadium) will be announced at a later date.

    The groups are:

    Group A

    Newcastle United, Lyon, Raja Casablanca

    Group B

    Pachuca, Malaga, Swansea City

    The outline schedule is:

    Saturday 11 July

    Newcastle v Lyon 7:30pm ET

    Sunday 12 July

    Pachuca v Malaga, 7:30pm ET

    Tuesday 14 July

    Newcastle v Raja Casablanca 5:30pm ET

    Swansea v Malaga 7:30pm ET

    Thursday 16 July

    Lyon v Raja Casablanca 5:30pm ET

    Swansea v Pachuca 7:30pm ET

    Saturday 18 July

    Group A 3rd placed team v Group B 3rd placed team, 5:30pm ET

    Group B 2nd placed team v Group A 2nd placed team, 7:30pm ET

    Sunday, July 19

    Group A 1st placed team v Group B 1st placed team, 7:30pm ET

    (The tournament format includes teams being drawn into two groups of three teams each, 3 points will be awarded to participating teams for each win and zero points for a loss, a penalty shoot-out will follow each drawn game after normal regulation play with the winner awarded 2 points and the loser 1 point.

    After the group matches are played, last-placed teams in each group play for the fifth and sixth positions. S

    Second-placed teams in each group play for the third and fourth positions.

    First-placed teams in each group will play for the championship trophy, and therefore first and second place.)

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  • toon kk

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:32 PM

    Comment #28

    Jesper
    I agree there, it about players we don’t buy and should have, which is down to MA.

    Also some players seem to go back over, for what ever reason, fitness levels don’t help , it’s a big part of our injury prone squad i think.

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  • Ian Toon

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:32 PM

    Comment #29

    Reading this from Pardew rather confirms what many thought. That the Ashley model was not based on what was best for the team performance but what was best for the income statement. The team performance was frequently undermined in pursuit of profits.
    Pardew had to Operate within limited means. Reducing the chance of ever winning anything. It became morale sapping for players and fans alike. Let’s hope the philosophy has changed.

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  • will die for the toon army

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:34 PM

    Comment #30

    Wijnaldum looks poor at CM and No.10. He looked wo comfortable at LW. Colback and Anita may not b the best at the club but complement each other and they r e best pairing we have. So no killing that. Any one who want to Midfield shld look for a place on the wings.

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  • Ketsbaia9

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:41 PM

    Comment #31

    I think we need to sign these players in January:

    Matip – £7m
    Stefano Denswil – £3m
    Raphael Guerriero -£8m
    Sebastian Corchia – £2m
    Leroy Fer – £7m
    Andros Townsend – £10m
    Nathan Redmond – £9m
    Diego Rolan – £12m

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  • Ketsbaia9

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:44 PM

    Comment #32

    Sell:

    Saylor- £2m
    Wiliamson – £1.5m
    Dummett – £8m
    Colback – £8m
    Tiote – £9m
    Gouffran – £3m
    Obertan – £3m

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  • will die for the toon army

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:45 PM

    Comment #33

    Ketsbaia 9

    Those r many players.

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  • Ketsbaia9

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:47 PM

    Comment #34

    That’s what’s needed unfortunately. We are best off up front.

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  • Toon-Prodigy

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:48 PM

    Comment #35

    That’s some canny prices for Tiote, Dummett and Colback!

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:49 PM

    Comment #36

    Reading that from Pardew doesn’t confirm anything, anybody without rose tinted glasses knew this to be the case about three years ago.

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  • toon kk

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:52 PM

    Comment #37

    Kets
    we’d be lucky to get Ten mill for the lot, if we were playing better maybe.

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  • Ketsbaia9

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    Comment #38

    Dummett was linked with Palace for £8m last month. Colback is really worth about £2m

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  • toonking

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:58 PM

    Comment #39

    our toon

    It’s not about the great skill and tactical awareness of these british and experianced premier league players, what we’re looking for out of these players is a good attitude, awareness, passion and communication. When a young foreign or academy player arrives he’ll be getting into a whole new enviroment, facing intense pressure from fans as well as the issues players generally face in a career.

    your correct in that torres, remy, carroll and downing are all players who’ve had a worse time but these players are ones who’s careers haven’t yet finished and when arriving to a club such as liverpool, city or chelsea they’re there because of the wages an or a chance of CL not because of pride and passion of playing football itself. It’s players like smith butt and nolan who’s career has either always been about time around a lesser team or who’s career at his ful level has come to an end who are really being wanted at our club because these don’t have much issue with wages, there main footballing career is over or it wasn’t going to be a big club career anyway.

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Sep 29, 2015 at 7:02 PM

    Comment #40

    toon kk …I actually thought ridding your squad of players who wouldn’t give us at least 30 games was a priority!

    …players such as Tiote, Cisse, Willo, Saylor and Marv. They should be replaced of course 🙂

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