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Alan Pardew´s Comments Seem Accurate – Here´s Why

4:35 pm, Tuesday, September 29th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 77 Comments

There is a bit of a firestorm going on at the moment because of Alan Pardew´s comments that when Crystal Palace play at Manchester City in the 4th round of the League Cup he will be able to play a better side than he took to Manchester City on October 29th last year when we won the game 2-0 with Newcastle.

The team Alan Pardew played showed 6 changes to the side that had beaten Tottenham 2-1 the previous Sunday – so we assume Alan will play his best side at Crystal Palace and that should be a better side than he started last October.

Stoke City v Crystal Palace - Premier League

Alan Pardew – controversial comments – they are accurate

This is what Alan told the Croydon Advertiser:

“The draw came very quickly after the Charlton win, so the air went out of our balloon a little bit when we saw that.” 

“I do want a cup run. Ironically, when I was at Newcastle last year, we won in that competition at City, so it’s not impossible.” 

“That team I took there that night, that particular team, isn’t as good as the Palace team I have.” 

“So, we did it that night and I believe we can do it with this team at Palace.” 

Here´s the side that started at Tottenham on Sunday, October 26th last year and we won the game 2-1 after being 1-0 down at half time – that’s the game when Sammy Ameobi scored within seconds of the restart.:

Newcastle (4-3-3): Tim Krul; Daryl Janmaat, Steven Taylor, Fabricio Coloccini (c), Paul Dummett; Moussa Sissoko, Vurnon Anita, Jack Colback; Gabriel Obertan, Ayoze Perez , Yoan Gouffran

And here´s the side that started on the following Wednesday that showed six changes and has fringe players like Elliot, Haidara, Ryan Taylor, Abeid, Armstrong and Aarons in the starting line-up:

Newcastle (4-3-3): Rob Elliot; Daryl Janmaat, Fabricio Coloccini (c), Paul Dummett, Massadio Haidara; Ryan Taylor, Mehdi Abeid, Jack Colback; Gabriel Obertan, Adam Armstrong, Rolando Aarons

And as we found out later,  Aarons had a hamstring problem and shouldn´t have played in that game and he was out from November 1st until almost the end of last season with hamstring problems.

We were very disappointed with the side when it was announced an hour before the kick-off and this is what we said about the team before the game:

“Certainly it’s a strange side with Paul Dummett at center-back and Haidara in at left back, and Rob Elliot is in as Tim Krul takes a rest.” 

“But this is by no means the best side Newcastle could have played tonight, so Liverpool on Saturday is the big priority.” 

“We had thought (or maybe hoped is the better word) that Alan would essentially start his best team – but there are seven changes (correction – there were actually six – wrong again) from the side that started on Sunday.” 

“And Steven Taylor is not even on the bench tonight.” 

So it´s reasonable for Alan Pardew to say he will start a better side than that particular team that night on October 29th – we thought we would get hammered when that team was announced and Manchester  City started a strong side.

Pardew could even start his best Crystal Palace side in that game since he is not restricted to play second string sides in the cups like he was when he was at Newcastle.

So his statement seems pretty accurate to us.

It´s a stretch to say he´s having a go at Newcastle.

It also looks like Alan selects the players he wants in the transfer market – and that could be something we adopt at Newcastle and not let Graham Carr have most of the say on which players we sign.

Comments welcome.



Tags: Capital One Cup · League Cup · Newcastle News · Other News · Premier League




77 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Transfer Sage // Sep 29, 2015 at 4:43 PM

    On the previous article…..

    Our players are not motivated when playing teams around us, onl seem to turn up for the big teams.

    We need to find a way to get the players motivated. No good saying moneu should motivate them as money isn’t a long term motivating factor, unless it’s having money to survive.

    Need to get the players wanting to play well. Whether that’s pishijg for cups, furthering themselves or getting international football.

    Also need to be smarter tactically, we struggle normally but two up top worked very well last week, not like we got over ran in midfield

  • 2 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 29, 2015 at 4:43 PM

    Repost:
    The problems we have are almost the same as any other club outside the top 6!

    …we just think it’s different for us because we have Mike Ashley!…it’s not!

    We face the same problems at SJP as Everton at Goodison when we face a team outside the top 6.

  • 3 toon kk // Sep 29, 2015 at 4:52 PM

    Ts
    there’s maybe just to much pressure on us to preform, the fans want success ( which is only natural) but the players simply haven’t got the motivation, explaining why we rarely turn up.
    I not sure some are even bothered most of the time. Fitness is also an issue we’re always knackered come the second half.

  • 4 toon kk // Sep 29, 2015 at 5:05 PM

    Jasper
    the difference between us and other clubs is there’s a buy to sell regime at our club, which prevents us from buying proven quality player’s to help us now.

  • 5 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 29, 2015 at 5:06 PM

    What a night that was, brilliant. One of a few highlights from last season.

    Mint result.

  • 6 hibbit // Sep 29, 2015 at 5:10 PM

    toon kk the fitness levels this season are no were near good enough and i blame the poor pre season on a very poor tour that charnley and carver arranged i dont think the squad are any were near 100% fit…….it was down hill from 60mins on sunday for most

  • 7 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 29, 2015 at 5:26 PM

    toon kk …we buy better players than most outside the top 6!

    …of course it’s not perfect! Both SOTON and Swansea have dealt with this issue.

    Stop pitting yourself mate 😉

  • 8 Our Toon // Sep 29, 2015 at 5:31 PM

    Alot of talk about buying proven premier league experienced players, can those peddling these views by claiming its not as much of a risk please explain to me how “proven premier league players” have failed at other clubs?

    Torres cost £50m from Liverpool to Chelsea proven premier league player and what a dud he turned out to be. Damien Duff another one here he was a dud, Phil Jones at man utd, Andy Carroll, Stuart downing, dejan lovren….i could go on. Players adapt to different clubs in different ways, it’s more than going out on the pitch and showing form alot is mental, culture etc. This proven premier league player thing is utter rubbish

  • 9 Lindisfarne // Sep 29, 2015 at 5:35 PM

    From the previous article:
    Why Newcastle’s Overall Approach To Games Must Change

    It is very simplistic to just say that the players don’t try as hard as they do against the top 6 sides. Plus a huge generalisation to say “the crowd expect 3 points and want the team to attack”.

    And another thing AP can F off!

  • 10 Jib // Sep 29, 2015 at 5:40 PM

    Hibbit
    I’m pretty sure details of the US trip were released before Christmas 2014 when Pardew was still here .
    It was a good idea then , because I think a few signings were planned for January , but with AP down the road all transfers were put on hold.
    Ideally when Pardew went , the trip should have been cancelled , but perhaps contracts had been signed.

  • 11 Jib // Sep 29, 2015 at 5:45 PM

    Lindisfarne – And another thing AP can F off!

    Erm – he did – on 2nd January 2015

  • 12 Jib // Sep 29, 2015 at 5:48 PM

    Our Toon
    Quite right
    Look at Loic Remy on Saturday he was gash for Chelsea – 14 goals in 22 for us – go figure.

  • 13 toon kk // Sep 29, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    Our Toon
    Bringing young players under 21 with no premier league experience is also a massive gamble. Mash has been doing it for years and were second bottom. Of course any player can be a gamble. But experienced player’s cuts the odds of failure.

  • 14 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 29, 2015 at 5:57 PM

    Ourtoon,

    For me personally, it’s not just about having proven Premier League players, It’s having leaders and men at the club, something I think we are missing currently. Plenty of potential apparantly here already at the club so I think having a few experienced heads in the squad will be good for everyone.

    Every signing is a gamble of sorts but our blueprint at the moment hasn’t exactly pulled any tree’s up this past 3-4 years.

    I really do hope they go for experience in January, not overboard, just add 3-4 into the 25. They don’t have to be for fortunes.

    Then ship some of the deadwood out.

  • 15 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:02 PM

    Don’t know why, but we look so much better playing 4-4-2 even playing some players out of position .

    I would rather we went :

    —-Thuavin——Sissoko—–Wijnaldum——Aarons—-

    ——————–Mitrovic——–Perez———————

    Mitrovic needs service and not just chipped balls through the middle .

  • 16 toon kk // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:03 PM

    Toon prodigy
    Agree its about having the right balance and leaders.

  • 17 lesh // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:07 PM

    Jib

    If memory serves me well, Carver first referred to the pre-season tour by saying he’d been involved in discussions about iy was excited by it. He also referred to the possibility of working with his own players etc.

    Pardew, as you know, was down the road by then.

  • 18 Mister Tuff // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:09 PM

    Ian Toon – in response to your latest trickster post – I am obliged to respond to counter your artiface, hypocrisy and outrageous arrogance.
    You complain about personal abuse – is this the same type of abuse when you accused me of bestiality – or is there another type of abuse.
    Because I challenge you as to a non football related poetry extract you assume wrongly that I do not like poetry -wrong again -jumping to
    a conculsion because it fits your hatred and divisive agenda.
    Just stop your blog mischief.
    I have an inkling your employment may be connecteed to the NHS. I really hope this is not so – if it is you need to consider a change in direction
    – to protect the public from your poisonous diatribe. I foresee a Doctor Death or a Pyscho Physio.
    (no need to respond Norm’ I’m really getting sick of your skulduggery).

  • 19 lesh // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:11 PM

    Jib

    Maybe we should try to sign Remy in January? He sure did the business in the time he was with us.

    But, would he be guaranteed a start in every game? Guarantee that and we’ll pi$$ Perez off, big time.

  • 20 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:13 PM

    I see no problems with the players we bought…only with the players we didn’t buy (the obvious of course)

    …it needs to be balanced of course; every club outside the top 6 face the same problems as us. We need a few quality English players and few players with PL experience. Lets hope these are the next in line.

    But I wouldn’t take the transfer dealing of more than a few teams outside the top 6 compared to us. Our main problem is we undercooked it this year again.

  • 21 toon kk // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:14 PM

    Jesper
    we’ve bought 57 varieties for years mate, admit we’ve bought better this summer than some clubs, we’ve brought some good players in but the majority have been chancers and we’re paying the price. Where’s the pace for a start? We’ve never been able to score from a corner for god knows how long.

  • 22 lesh // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:14 PM

    Mr Tuff

    Ian Toon accused you of bestiality did he?

    It’s pointless arguing with him, you’d be flogging a dead horse!

    Ah but that’d be sadism, necrophilia and bestiality.

    😉

  • 23 Ian Toon // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:18 PM

    Lesh- Ha ha! He’s lost his sense of humour as well – he can dish it out but can’t take it!

  • 24 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:22 PM

    took kk…I still believe the problem is the players we didn’t buy (the obvious of course)

    …we undercooked it and have done for a few years.

    The players are proven quality from their respected leagues and even International. There’s always a risk!

    It seems the problem though has more to do with Newcastle than the players…just my opinion. 🙂

  • 25 Mister Tuff // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:23 PM

    Ian Toon – I can take anything you throw out. Now get back to the motel Norm.

  • 26 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:29 PM

    Lol has anyone seen the clip of the Toon players on PES 16?

    Howay Konami!

  • 27 Jib // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:31 PM

    Lesh
    Your memory serves you very well (better than mine 🙁 )

    This was dated 26 April 2015 , it never happened and it looks like the final tour was a compromise

    News breaking in the States, that Newcastle United are heading for a USA pre-season trip, competing in a tournament in Texas in July.

    Dallas Fort Worth will feature six teams from around the world with Newcastle United joined by Lyon (France), Pachuca (Mexico), Swansea , Malaga (Spain) and Raja Casablanca (Morocco) from July 9-19.

    The games will be played at the Cotton Bowl Stadium in Dallas and Toyota Stadium in Frisco.

    An outline schedule has been released and the location of which games will be played at which stadium (Cotton Bowl/Toyota Stadium) will be announced at a later date.

    The groups are:

    Group A

    Newcastle United, Lyon, Raja Casablanca

    Group B

    Pachuca, Malaga, Swansea City

    The outline schedule is:

    Saturday 11 July

    Newcastle v Lyon 7:30pm ET

    Sunday 12 July

    Pachuca v Malaga, 7:30pm ET

    Tuesday 14 July

    Newcastle v Raja Casablanca 5:30pm ET

    Swansea v Malaga 7:30pm ET

    Thursday 16 July

    Lyon v Raja Casablanca 5:30pm ET

    Swansea v Pachuca 7:30pm ET

    Saturday 18 July

    Group A 3rd placed team v Group B 3rd placed team, 5:30pm ET

    Group B 2nd placed team v Group A 2nd placed team, 7:30pm ET

    Sunday, July 19

    Group A 1st placed team v Group B 1st placed team, 7:30pm ET

    (The tournament format includes teams being drawn into two groups of three teams each, 3 points will be awarded to participating teams for each win and zero points for a loss, a penalty shoot-out will follow each drawn game after normal regulation play with the winner awarded 2 points and the loser 1 point.

    After the group matches are played, last-placed teams in each group play for the fifth and sixth positions. S

    Second-placed teams in each group play for the third and fourth positions.

    First-placed teams in each group will play for the championship trophy, and therefore first and second place.)

  • 28 toon kk // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:32 PM

    Jesper
    I agree there, it about players we don’t buy and should have, which is down to MA.

    Also some players seem to go back over, for what ever reason, fitness levels don’t help , it’s a big part of our injury prone squad i think.

  • 29 Ian Toon // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:32 PM

    Reading this from Pardew rather confirms what many thought. That the Ashley model was not based on what was best for the team performance but what was best for the income statement. The team performance was frequently undermined in pursuit of profits.
    Pardew had to Operate within limited means. Reducing the chance of ever winning anything. It became morale sapping for players and fans alike. Let’s hope the philosophy has changed.

  • 30 will die for the toon army // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:34 PM

    Wijnaldum looks poor at CM and No.10. He looked wo comfortable at LW. Colback and Anita may not b the best at the club but complement each other and they r e best pairing we have. So no killing that. Any one who want to Midfield shld look for a place on the wings.

  • 31 Ketsbaia9 // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:41 PM

    I think we need to sign these players in January:

    Matip – £7m
    Stefano Denswil – £3m
    Raphael Guerriero -£8m
    Sebastian Corchia – £2m
    Leroy Fer – £7m
    Andros Townsend – £10m
    Nathan Redmond – £9m
    Diego Rolan – £12m

  • 32 Ketsbaia9 // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:44 PM

    Sell:

    Saylor- £2m
    Wiliamson – £1.5m
    Dummett – £8m
    Colback – £8m
    Tiote – £9m
    Gouffran – £3m
    Obertan – £3m

  • 33 will die for the toon army // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:45 PM

    Ketsbaia 9

    Those r many players.

  • 34 Ketsbaia9 // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:47 PM

    That’s what’s needed unfortunately. We are best off up front.

  • 35 Toon-Prodigy // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:48 PM

    That’s some canny prices for Tiote, Dummett and Colback!

  • 36 Jail for Ashley // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:49 PM

    Reading that from Pardew doesn’t confirm anything, anybody without rose tinted glasses knew this to be the case about three years ago.

  • 37 toon kk // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:52 PM

    Kets
    we’d be lucky to get Ten mill for the lot, if we were playing better maybe.

  • 38 Ketsbaia9 // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    Dummett was linked with Palace for £8m last month. Colback is really worth about £2m

  • 39 toonking // Sep 29, 2015 at 6:58 PM

    our toon

    It’s not about the great skill and tactical awareness of these british and experianced premier league players, what we’re looking for out of these players is a good attitude, awareness, passion and communication. When a young foreign or academy player arrives he’ll be getting into a whole new enviroment, facing intense pressure from fans as well as the issues players generally face in a career.

    your correct in that torres, remy, carroll and downing are all players who’ve had a worse time but these players are ones who’s careers haven’t yet finished and when arriving to a club such as liverpool, city or chelsea they’re there because of the wages an or a chance of CL not because of pride and passion of playing football itself. It’s players like smith butt and nolan who’s career has either always been about time around a lesser team or who’s career at his ful level has come to an end who are really being wanted at our club because these don’t have much issue with wages, there main footballing career is over or it wasn’t going to be a big club career anyway.

  • 40 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 29, 2015 at 7:02 PM

    toon kk …I actually thought ridding your squad of players who wouldn’t give us at least 30 games was a priority!

    …players such as Tiote, Cisse, Willo, Saylor and Marv. They should be replaced of course 🙂

  • 41 will die for the toon army // Sep 29, 2015 at 7:03 PM

    All we need:
    1. Matip / Rudiger
    2. Fer
    3. Willems
    4. Austin

    OUT:
    1. Willo
    2. Haidara
    3. Tiote
    4. Cisse

  • 42 Reyantoon // Sep 29, 2015 at 7:03 PM

    Ha ha ha…
    started loving this Ketsbaia9 Lad..
    Please post everytime.The man from yellow submarine 🙂

  • 43 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 29, 2015 at 7:16 PM

    I just have say this!

    Barton was a horrible buy, both Smith and Butt was a failure here and Nolan had one and a half good season here. He was a leader though I’ll give you that, but he would have been a bench player had he stayed on way to high wages.

    Was never going to happen. He went to WHam because they would pay what he wanted.

    It’s been a while since we bought an English player to be proud of.

  • 44 Ibizatoon // Sep 29, 2015 at 7:21 PM

    I think the issue is not that those players left, as Jesper rightly points out, there days were numbered and they were more often than not destined for the bench (well, given out injuries, they’d probably have still gotten a fair bit of game time). The problem was that we didn’t replace those particular characteristics, i.e. Leadership and Premier League experience.

    On thread…Nah, I’ll pass thanks.

  • 45 toonking // Sep 29, 2015 at 7:34 PM

    jesper

    you’ve only picked out certain parts of my post rather than read it fully.

    These players are not the highly skilled on field players, these are what you call dressingroom players, ones who can keep the dressing room calm and ease the pressure young newbies would face during a bad run which will occur frequently at clubs like ours.

    our current batch of senior premier league players consist of ones who’s main aim is either wages, CL football or plain and simply getting out. we’ve a couple such as willo who also have the PL XP but unfortunately they don’t have the same capabilities of the past as that of an aging butt, therefore our youth will not get as much good advice about the first year. Steven taylor himself could have provided us with the captaincy and leadership like that of kevin nolan have he remained fit but he can’t our best captain seems to be a player who last year was a want away.

    You might think this isn’t doing much for the club in skill but that is all made up by the leadership and dressing room advice these players can give to those who are newbies.

    Why not ask yourself why did manchester united decide to keep hold of scoles and giggs throught there careers when they were just sitting on the bench during the later careers?

  • 46 toonking // Sep 29, 2015 at 7:38 PM

    ibiza

    They were just being ued as examples by myself in an attempt to make it clearer what we all mean when saying we want british or PL XP players.

  • 47 AncientC // Sep 29, 2015 at 7:38 PM

    “That team I took there that night, that particular team, isn’t as good as the Palace team I have.”

    Palace should have no problem beating Man City then…

    Pardew and his underdogs must have been enjoying their status – watch what will happen when they are suddenly expected to start winning games.

    The moment Crystal Palace evolve from a side that are not treated as miracle workers for winning a game, is the point at which Pardew will start to dwindle.

  • 48 JackButler // Sep 29, 2015 at 7:42 PM

    @Sage 1

    Agree that money is only a motivating factor if it’s making a direct difference in your life and these players are far from being in the bread line.

    The easiest way to motivate them would be to have their place on the line, perform or get dropped, but our squad is so light on talent it’s hard to go that route.

    SM has a big job on his hands as I believe there are too many players that only turn up and perform when it suits them. If we had eleven players on the pitch with the attitude and approach of Perez we’d be flying, but sadly we have too many Colo’s and Sissoko’s

  • 49 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 29, 2015 at 7:44 PM

    toonking…I am on the phone and your post was too long 😀

    Ibiza…how’s bikini bottom mate?

  • 50 WWSBRD // Sep 29, 2015 at 7:45 PM

    toonking
    Good post lad

  • 51 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 29, 2015 at 7:48 PM

    toonking…if you want to make a point then use players that emphasizes your point!

    …those you mentioned does the opposite mate 😉

  • 52 JackButler // Sep 29, 2015 at 7:52 PM

    Seeing Casias in goal for Porto is just wrong

  • 53 Thump // Sep 29, 2015 at 7:57 PM

    This just in: Pardew still living on past glories.

  • 54 croftus5678 // Sep 29, 2015 at 7:58 PM

    so lets talk prospects 😉

    mbabu does not look fazed at all even though its only his first real challenge so could he be considered as a prem quality lb/rb or imo his best position cb ?

    then theres lescalles ! imo he’s not ready by a long shot.
    has the skill’s and talents but not the brains or motivation or experience that comes faster to some than others imo.

    armstrong ! surely this lad is just about ready now esp after his current loan but it will mean he has to knuckle down and start banging them goals in ! imo be perfect for mr mitro’s partner.

    curtis good ! not good enough imo should move him on.

    bigi ! can do everything anita can do and a lot more going forward imo so may be worth a squad number.

    vukic ! after watching siem i’m convinced vukic can do a better job tbh.
    he’s more mobile as well as has most of the other skills siem has and siem’s mobility is a huge let down imo.

    sterry ! the lad looks good for reserves but its border line weter he will take the bait if called upon.

    dummett/hairdryer/perez/mbemba/mitrovic prob are not prospects now but given the age maybe should be.

    mckenzie heaney.! if they play this lad at cm we have some player here as he has litterally everything in his game and all to a fairly high standard. imp even at his age get him out on loan asap.

  • 55 TroubledToon // Sep 29, 2015 at 8:01 PM

    I fail to understand the whole debate over English players being better/having more heart n fight over the others. Find it rather bemusing to be honest. I believe its Upto the manager to instill fight and character into players. He’s the one whose gotta find the fire in their bellies. There are lot of foreign players who put in an honest and hardworking effort. To blindly blanket them as otherwise would be unfair.
    Again, that’s my opinion though….

    On a separate note, I hope City thump the crap outta Palace 😉

  • 56 cestriasteve // Sep 29, 2015 at 8:22 PM

    The one thing that is missing from NUFC recruitment policy is the oversight of looking at the character of the respective player.

  • 57 JackButler // Sep 29, 2015 at 8:27 PM

    Arsenal keeper having a bit of a mare 🙂

  • 58 toonking // Sep 29, 2015 at 8:30 PM

    jepser

    paul scoles and ryan giggs aren’t really opposite to my main point really because the whole reason united themselves had kept them was because of how much good they were for the dressing room and from there own side of things they choose to remain at manchester united for most there career. Ryan giggs himself then went into management at the club after retirement and following the sacking of moyse and a huge number of injury problems paul scoles himself came out of retirement to help the club himself. They are both the same type of player as we are calling for a great one for the dressing room putting pride + passion ahead of wages and being the best.

  • 59 toonking // Sep 29, 2015 at 8:31 PM

    *not that they weren’t magnificent.

  • 60 Transfer Sage // Sep 29, 2015 at 8:32 PM

    Jesper

    I’m not convinced the players we buy are suited to the league. I think Wijnaldum, Mitrovic and Mbemba are but yet to be convinced on Thauvin, not great pace or power, also not massive amounts of flair either.

    I also agree it’s the players we didn’t buy. We need to couple those without experience with those who know the league well and have experience to guide this lads and provide leadership.

    Then need to combine that with tactics, training, mentality, approach to the games, fitness, etc.

    I think it’s a lot of things combined.

    I don’t mind buying to sell like some. All clubs do that, it’s a part of football unless you are at the top which only a few are. It’s how we implement that policy which causes problems.

  • 61 toonking // Sep 29, 2015 at 8:34 PM

    then again you probably just joking.

    it’s the trouble when toon fans are frustrated.

  • 62 Transfer Sage // Sep 29, 2015 at 8:35 PM

    Jack

    Yeh that’s a decent point. But then again dropping people isn’t always a motivation.

    You need to consider positive motivators too. You need to create a culture where people want to perform, want to work hard and ultimately want to achieve the best for themselves and the club.

  • 63 JackButler // Sep 29, 2015 at 8:45 PM

    Sage

    Playing players who are not performing is asinine to the rest of the squad though, as anyone trying to force their way into a team that continue to select underperforming players has a massive negative impact. You can only give players a certain amount of chances before you have to drop them

  • 64 Transfer Sage // Sep 29, 2015 at 9:00 PM

    Jack

    Very true, I do agree there, we should be able to swap people in and out though.

    In midfield we have sissoko, anita, colback, tiote, aarons, wijnaldum, obertan, thauvin, de jong, gouffran, marveoux, bigi…plenty of players there.

    Then up top we have cisse, mitrovic, perez, toney, riviere.

    Plenty of options to rotate.

  • 65 BandB // Sep 29, 2015 at 9:01 PM

    Here’s an underachiever who was dropped and forgotten who seems to be working his way towards international football.
    Must be that slow, low-grade league he’s dropped into.
    Yeah. That’ll be it.
    http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/09/startling-transformation-for-davide-santon/?

  • 66 cyprus // Sep 29, 2015 at 9:03 PM

    This Alan guy can do no wrong for you Ed 😉 Side bet that he gets thumped by City?

  • 67 cyprus // Sep 29, 2015 at 9:04 PM

    TS you said players and Obertan in the same sentence

  • 68 mindshaft // Sep 29, 2015 at 9:18 PM

    To be honest I don’t care what Pardew says although it’s fair to say Palace are in top six and we’re 2nd bottom – good luck to him but who gives a toss what he thinks

  • 69 JackButler // Sep 29, 2015 at 9:20 PM

    Sage

    Tiote was away in ACoN and young Biggi came in and more than held his own but as soon as an underperforming Tiote came back he was dropped, Colo sloped off on his Argentinian holiday while trying everything to cut all ties with us but as soon as he came back he walked straight into the starting 11. It was something that happened under Pardew time after time but I hope that SM is strong enough to drop those who do not deserve to start

  • 70 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 29, 2015 at 9:26 PM

    I dunno if you are watching Porto DEMOLISH Chelski.

    Makes our match look like Chelski dominated us o_O

    Absolutely ripping them pity the score does not reflect the true nature of the game. Insane.

  • 71 JackButler // Sep 29, 2015 at 9:30 PM

    BandB

    Glad to see Santon getting back to his best, the lad had a tough time here with injuries and everything else that was happening with the club, so it’s good to see he’s doing well

  • 72 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 29, 2015 at 9:31 PM

    Imbula dribbled the entire midfield of Chelski ….insane…

  • 73 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Sep 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM

    JB

    yeah people slating him no clue. The kid was pure quality. Always been.
    Glad he is doing well as is HBA….

    Players that should have been here but aint….joke.

  • 74 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 29, 2015 at 9:34 PM

    toonking…when you mention Scholes and Giggs you are talking about some of the best British players…and then you use players like Smith, Butt and Nolan to bring your point home!

    …that is not helping your case!

  • 75 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 29, 2015 at 9:40 PM

    TS…I think a player like Thauvin function better in a team that is producing the goods…

    …he needs better players around him! He probably need to gel 😉

    I most admit he didn’t convinced me last season…so was surprised when we bought him.

  • 76 jimmysmith // Sep 29, 2015 at 10:01 PM

    Benny under McC, like Thauvin, like Cabella, I’m doubtful, I don’t think they give enough to a side like Newcastle that will have to scrap and compete for their share of the spoils. But Santon I don’t doubt for a second would be our first choice left back had he stayed. He is an excellent footballer and still young. It’s understandable Dummettwas keeping him out under the circumstances, but in hindsight, I’m sure McC would love to have him in the squad. Not quite a gaffe as big as selling Milner, but ball park.

  • 77 Our Toon // Sep 29, 2015 at 10:02 PM

    Toon King

    The players you mention though are utter dross, Nolan etc had commitment because this is / was going to be the biggest club they played for, these players had alot of fight but no ablity. Our biggest problem is not the foreign players as some have pointed to or the lack of English players because they apparently have more heart which again is utter shite. Out biggest problem is the lack of leaders on the pitch, in fact we lack 1 leader.

    When we have someone who fights for the shirt ie mitrovic he’s labelled as a trouble player or a loose cannon or he has to much aggression. We aren’t the only club thay suffers from lacking leader, Citeh are lost with Kompany, he’s a class act as a player bit he’s just as crucial as a player. We will never have a leader here because it will undermine the regime!!




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