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Newcastle Considering Deal For Young Striker

11:01 pm, Tuesday, September 29th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 56 Comments

Newcastle would like to send impressive young striker Ivan Toney out on loan so he can get some first team games under his belt after he played 60 games with 13 goals for Northampton Town.

Ivan has played 3 times for the Newcastle first team including his Premier League derby late in the game against Chelsea on Saturday, when he replaced Aleksandar Mitrovic after 85 minutes.

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Ivan Toney – Newcastle want a loan deal for 19 year-old

It´s likely that Ivan will go out on a short-term loan so Ivan could still be available to play for Newcastle later in the season.

Things are different as far as French U21 striker Emmanuel Riviere is concerned, and Newcastle want to keep him as part of the first team squad once he returns to fitness following his knee injury.

Manu is expected to return to training in about three weeks after he had a small operation on his injured knee in Paris.

Riviere is close to ending up the way Remy Cabella ended up – as a failure at Newcastle.

But the 25 year-old Frenchman still has the rest of the season to impress on Tyneside although he is now the fourth striker behind Mitrovic, Perez and Cisse in the pecking order at Newcastle.

Wolves were said to be interested in a loan deal for Riviere because their winger/striker Nouha Dicko is out for the rest of the season with a serious knee injury suffered in late August.

Bu that will not happen.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Coaching · Emmanuel Riviere · Ivan Toney · Loan Moves · Newcastle News · Premier League

56 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Belfast // Sep 29, 2015 at 11:04 PM

    Jesper out!
    Skunki out!

  • 2 Jib // Sep 29, 2015 at 11:08 PM

    They float
    They all float

  • 3 Belfast // Sep 29, 2015 at 11:10 PM

    Beep beep Jib beep beep.

  • 4 Jib // Sep 29, 2015 at 11:17 PM

    Jesper and Tsunki in white anoraks at 1 minute 30

  • 5 WWSBRD // Sep 29, 2015 at 11:17 PM

    When did he become impressive?

  • 6 loonie-toon // Sep 30, 2015 at 12:20 AM

    Anyone no wat channel nufc vs man city is on, on weekend

  • 7 Sav // Sep 30, 2015 at 12:27 AM

    He became impressive when you looked at Riviere.

  • 8 Shearer.Milburn // Sep 30, 2015 at 12:36 AM

    Loonie, it’s a 3pm kick off so not on UK TV. Most likely get it on sportsnet, NBC or something along those lines

  • 9 davis_toons // Sep 30, 2015 at 3:07 AM

    very nice song…

  • 10 lesh // Sep 30, 2015 at 4:39 AM

    From previous thread it seems that we were so interested in Redmond that he went from Birmingham to Norwich for £3m.

    We’re said to be still interested in signing him and doing so’d probably cost something like £13m.

    So, that’s another player (like Van Dijk) who we could have had for a smallish fee but who’s fee’ll have increased substantially in the time we dithered.

    Will these guys ever learn that failure to invest early costs dear in the long run?

  • 11 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 30, 2015 at 5:26 AM

    leah…Van Dijk was a £10M player wasn’t he?

    …lets see how that one develops shall we 😉

    Had we bought Redmond back then he would probably had ended up sucking and being shipped out like so many others before him (probably at a discount 😉 )

  • 12 Santon03 // Sep 30, 2015 at 5:42 AM

    I’m very excited with youngsters development.
    If Mbabu could get 3-5 good performances then he would be permanent 1st team and he is only 20.
    he passed his 1st test against the champion and against pedro who has won every major competitions (I love the one when he stuck with Hazard and won the ball).
    I wish him all the best, hopefully will inspire other youngsters like Sterry, Arma, Satka, Laidler, Heardman etc. that if you work hard you will get your chance.
    Not sure about Bigi’s chances, but he can’t be any worse than Tiote.

  • 13 Ian Toon // Sep 30, 2015 at 5:48 AM

    Brum were in dire financial straits and Lee Clark recommended Nathan Redmond to the toon. JFK blocked a move on the grounds that it would impede The progress of Sammi Ameobi.

  • 14 Ian Toon // Sep 30, 2015 at 5:54 AM

    Belfast – I should have taken out copyright on “Just passing through”.

  • 15 jimmysmith // Sep 30, 2015 at 6:00 AM

    JFK just looks increasingly as if he were simply brought in to put a lid on spending and Pardew in his place, along with Llambias. Ashley’s henchman. What an incredible decision that was.

  • 16 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Sep 30, 2015 at 6:18 AM

    Yes JFK will go down in history as one of the biggest f#ck ups!

    …not the first by Ashley 😉

  • 17 SUTTY1978 // Sep 30, 2015 at 6:21 AM

    Santon. Aarons passed the same test against city last year and cant get in the team now. No idea why. Why would any manager look along the bench and ever think that bringing Obertan on is the right call?

  • 18 jimmysmith // Sep 30, 2015 at 6:26 AM

    I suppose McC is trying to play a certain way, and in training Obertan looks more capable of doing what’s asked of him, but I think Aatons will get his chance soon enough. It must be remembered this is already a very young and inexperienced side. Obertan might be limited, but he is by now a fairly seasoned pro.

  • 19 Ian Toon // Sep 30, 2015 at 6:38 AM

    I was joking when I said before the Chelsea game that we were involved in a relegation six pointer. But hearing Chelsea fans constantly say that they are in a poor run of form that won’t last sounds like the “we are too good to go down” football speak!

  • 20 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 30, 2015 at 6:41 AM

    There weren’t many on here who were disappointed to miss out on Redmond at the time. Most didn’t want him either when he signed for Norwich, or when they were relegated. I’d have taken him both times.

    Unless Norwich go down, then I doubt he will be heading here, the price will be too high for us I’d imagine.

    One transfer that may have become more realistic over the last week or so is Robin Knoche of Wolfsburg though, the VW scandal is likely to hit them hard, and could have serious financial implications for them. I’ve not seen much of him, but if he meant we weren’t signing Matip then I’d be okay with it. Would still prefer a Prem experienced centre half mind.

  • 21 Santon03 // Sep 30, 2015 at 6:42 AM


    he is injured for long time and injured again now.

  • 22 Santon03 // Sep 30, 2015 at 6:42 AM

    was injured

  • 23 Ian Toon // Sep 30, 2015 at 6:43 AM

    Because he has electric pace and can be introduced when defenders are tiring. Particularly against teams playing for example in midweek. For me Obertan is a bit like Pardew was at the toon he is not as incompetent as fans suggest.
    He’s a player who needs to be supported to get the best out of him and with Macca( or any other new manager) you get a second chance. From fans as well.

  • 24 Santon03 // Sep 30, 2015 at 6:44 AM

    Obertan call was probably to exploit his pace for counter attack and against ivanovic imo

  • 25 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 30, 2015 at 6:45 AM

    I hope that comment is still joking.

    On thread, I think it is right to get Toney out on loan somewhere, along with a few more of the youngsters who are yet to kick a ball in anger at senior level. Give them a bit of experience so they can come back into the fold better prepared.

    As for Riviere, I don’t hold out much hope for him here, but we don’t have depth in that department – particularly if we are moving closer to 2 up front – to let him go (sadly). Championship would be about his level, maybe a sweetener in any deal for Benik Afobe moving forward, if we are interested in the kid.

  • 26 Ian Toon // Sep 30, 2015 at 6:48 AM

    Jimmy- Yes JFK didn’t appear to have any other function. His was a totally blocking negative function designed to impede any transfer activity. He probably got a bonus for doing a great job.

  • 27 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 30, 2015 at 6:50 AM

    Obertan is a track athlete that can kick a ball. He isn’t a footballer with pace. He will offer us something when the game is stretched, but you know if he gets in a good position he is more likely to fluff his lines then do something productive. I can see why you might have a player like that on the bench, but it is fairly damning of the rest of the squad.

    I’d like to think that once Aarons is back fit he is given a chance ahead of Sissoko and Obertan. If not, then get him on loan to a Championship side that will give him game time.

  • 28 Santon03 // Sep 30, 2015 at 6:50 AM


    I would rather give chance to Heardman than Cisse to play along side Riviere if both Perez and Mitro unavailable.
    In January, we can decide to call Arma back or let him stay at Coventry, he is still only 18yrs old plenty of time to let him develop.

  • 29 Ron Knee // Sep 30, 2015 at 6:53 AM

    Both Sissoko and Obertan missed their vocations.

  • 30 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 30, 2015 at 6:59 AM

    Why Heardman? Have you seen him play? He hasn’t made an appearance at any level so far this season so I’m assuming he is injured. He isn’t a prolific goalscorer – 4 in 16 U21 appearances – and should be on loan this season, nowhere near our first team.

    I’d much prefer Cisse start to either Rivi or Heardman. I’d give Goofy a run out up front over the three of them if we needed a centre forward to come in. Goofy gets a lot of stick on here, but most of it isn’t really fair.

  • 31 Jail for Ashley // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:00 AM

    JfK was brought in to show that Mikey didn’t give a fcuk what the fans think !

  • 32 Santon03 // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:01 AM

    For a winger, Thauvin is pretty slow probably more suited to play #10 role or free role.
    Guessing line up for city game back to 4231

  • 33 Ian Toon // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:03 AM

    Lilongwe- It was. I come across a lot of Chelsea fans and when on a roll they can be quite insufferable. I’ve not really seen enough of Toney to judge but he needs to play regularly. I like the early signs of Macca appearing to do the right things. I am told he is busy around toon talking to fans and looking to get them on side. I have a good feeling that we can get through this season, strengthening in January and shedding baggage thereafter. Quietly efficient I am told is his style.

  • 34 Santon03 // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:08 AM


    I’m quite bias regarding Cisse tbh, I don’t really like him and he doesn’t seem like he wants to be here.

    Heardman is 6’4 or 6’5 with Rivi probably good for crosses into the box. Yes he is untested but can’t do much worse than Cisse imo if we have to go with 2 forwards, he will work harder than Cisse that’s a guarantee.

    Goof is more suited as wb since he’s been pardewed. He did more defensive works than attacking and he did good job imo.

  • 35 SUTTY1978 // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:10 AM

    Ian, he hasn’t been very efficient at collecting points, thats his job. Walking round town like a big issue seller chatting to fans to try and get them onside? Give me a break. He’s a gurning buffoon.
    Why set up to have a go at Chelsea but not before when we had “easier” games. No doubt he’ll do the same against City then go back in his shell when we face teams we have a better chance of beating.

  • 36 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:13 AM

    Appearing to do the right things? Explain. Firstly, which are the right things, and secondly is he just appearing to do them, or is he actually doing them?

    I’ve seen little evidence of any major change at any level. I’m not sure walking around town chatting with fans is the way to go. Fans will be on side if the team improves, and the way the club is run improves. If he has to talk to fans to find that out then I am a little worried.

    I don’t see us in a relegation battle, there is enough in the squad for most average managers to get enough points I think, just like there has been the last few years.

    More baggage should have been shed in the summer, and greater efforts made to replace character flaws in the squad. There is a lot of work to do to be in a position to claim anything has changed, but then McClaren can be afforded some time to do it as long as results improve in the immediate future.

  • 37 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:20 AM

    Cisse probably doesn’t want to be here, but he is so he should play. In a season so far where he doesn’t want to be here and has only played a few games he already has matched Rivi’s total league goals for last season. Rivi should never have been signed. Cisse doesn’t want to be here, Rivi shouldn’t be here.

    Goofy has been forced to do a lot of defensive work, true, but still managed more goals last season from his defensive wide roles than Rivi. He also has a better goals and assists to minutes played then Sissoko and Obertan whilst offering more defensively as well. He would offer a far better back up to Perez up front than any of the others.

    Goofy still offers good backup in the squad, and is more effective then some of the players who have featured so far this season.

  • 38 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:20 AM

    so he should play – when needed.

  • 39 Transfer Sage // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:26 AM


    Totally agree there. That’s where the club lets itself down. Obviously you need decisions to make financial sense, money isn’t limitless, people accept that in this day and age more than any.

    My complain though is that sometimes you need to make footballing decisions, cut your losses with a few players and spend that little more for experience and a better chance to hit the ground running.

    Also if you ship out a couple bad eggs it makes others feel happier and enjoy their job more and it makes others who are thinking of pushing their luck think twice.

    That’s an area the club really need to address.

    Also I’ve not seen much change under mcclaren. I accept his point it takes time to get a side totally used to a new system but you should be able to see decent change quicker than this.

  • 40 firebug666 // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:28 AM

    The squad will take a lot of confidence on board from the Chelski game, but that could soon be leached out of them with a return to 4-2-3-1 and the style of play that accompanies it.

    I agree with Lilongwe Geordie in that we will not be relegated this season, but I still do not see a major turn around in performance either. It will be just enough to keep us up I think.

    Playing 2 strikers up front was a breath of fresh air, and the 4-4-2 worked well as all the players knew their role, The first half was the best I’ve seen from us in years, the second half, maybe tiredness set in, of maybe it was a defensive attitude that allowed Chelski back into the game, either way we reverted to type.

    They players need to keep up that performance from the first half for 90 minutes, or learn to pace themselves so their energy will last 90 minutes.

  • 41 Ian Toon // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:28 AM

    Lilongwe- Because it’s too early for us to know. He does need to carry fans with him as it’s going to take a while for tangible progress to be seen. The root and branch review is taking place- watching full complement of players by taking in under21’s – he is like Keegan happy to chat to fans. I spent time as a kid in holidays watching training it’s all part of the building block approach.
    On character flaws shedding baggage- easier said than done under Ashley control. Additionally you don’t always want to take others opinions on such matters you need time to form opinions. Rather than act too hastily and subsequently see a player excell somewhere else. With a disasterous pre season programme and players not signed in June he had little option but to delay. Change is resisted you need to get people on board to your way of thinking. We are not the most progressive of clubs.

  • 42 TroubledToon // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:29 AM

    Rivi isn’t PL quality.. Should never have been signed. He’s always got his feet in a tangle and snatches at shots. Even if he had just one foot, he’d still have difficulty wondering which foot to use!!! Not trying to sound mean or degrading, but its a fact. Basic issues which need to b sorted out, but unfortunately, our current scenario doesnt permit him the time required to sort it out. We should have sold him in the summer. Hopefully we do in Jan

  • 43 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:32 AM

    Just read in the chronicle that we will buy in Jan, but it will be using the same transfer blueprint as always. That to me suggests little has changed off the pitch, and we will continue with several of the same flaws in the make up of the squad.

    As for the tactics, I’d agree it can take time to settle into a new system, however I’d argue that the system and style has barely changed. Yes, we are keeping possession slightly better, but it is without intent and still a similar mindset to under Pardew. I’m not seeing this attempt to change style or tactics as of yet.

  • 44 lesh // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:34 AM

    Jesper, the figure mentioned for Van Dijk last summer and then this last January was £6m and he went to Southampton for £11m this summer.

    We didn’t go for him I know but he became more expensive over time. That was the point I was trying to make.

    I’ve no doubt that Austin’ll sign an extension at QPR to be sold for more than the £15m quoted this summer.

    The point being is that if we’re interested in a player, get him signed up early.

  • 45 lesh // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:39 AM


    You’re right, Wolfsberg will probably be affected by the VW scandal – a real Volk-up!


  • 46 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:43 AM

    Both Carver and Pardew watched the youth team games – most first team managers do, particularly when they have players returning from injury. That is nothing to praise, it should just be part of his job. I hope his root and branch review that you keep mentioning is a bit more than that!

    You mention it is difficult to shed baggage under Ashley’s control, well if he can’t then there is little point in this root and branch exercise as under Ashley’s system what will change? What has actually changed within the set up of the club since his appointment?

    I get that some players you need to see, but not all. Everyone could see last season Colo wasn’t worth an extended contract. Saylor’s injury record is a clear as the nose on his face. Willo, whilst dependable, is clearly nothing more than bottom of the Prem quality. That is three of our first team centre halves that anyone can see is flawed without having to take time to analyse them.

    Just because a player excels elsewhere doesn’t mean they are right for this club either, if you are too afraid to make a decision like that then you will always struggle.

  • 47 hibbit // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:47 AM

    ian not sure who is feeding you this line Mc’s doing walk about’s round newcastle but its not true hardly ever uses his office at st james…. only match days…… the work is now done at benton they even have the full board meetings there now

  • 48 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:48 AM

    …oh dear…..

    £11million on Van Dijk, no thanks. On Austin, I doubt he will sign an extension, but if they are in with a chance of promotion then QPR won’t be selling him cheap. If his goals fire them back to the Prem the value is far higher and they would see that as better than getting a bit of cash in Jan for him and losing him on a free.

    Come the Summer, it will be a bidding war for Austin on a free, and we like to actively shy away from those situations.

  • 49 Ian Toon // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:49 AM

    Lilongwe – if you are going to promote and sell to any head honcho your game plan you do need to fully research the subject matter. The root and branch survey takes in everything at the football club down to food and diet. He’s devising a scouting programme with Carr. My point in mentioning watching the academy was to emphasise that he’s starting at that level and that its one of the tangible aspects.
    You’ve got to start somewhere. Time will tell.
    Enjoy your day.

  • 50 Our Toon // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:54 AM


    We have more European winners from our league but your talking 70s and 80s etc, right now our league is miles behind others. Even the Italian league is catching up, might not matter who finishes 4th next season as top 3 would get CL spot.

  • 51 JamesToon // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:57 AM

    If it’s true we are sticking to our blue print and buying from France Germany Spain etc. 3 players I hope we seriously consider are Alexandre Lacazette, Granit Xhaka and Raphael Guerriero

  • 52 Our Toon // Sep 30, 2015 at 7:58 AM

    At the weekend it looked like we played
    4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1 at no point did we play 4-4-2, Perez always picked the ball up deep but never go onto a flick on by mitrovic because he wasn’t playing alongside him. 442 doesn’t work in this league amd it hasn’t for some time, old dinosaur football.

  • 53 hibbit // Sep 30, 2015 at 8:00 AM

    ian devising a scouting programme with carr dont know who’s feeding you this crap but Mc has no say in the scouting or the scouting network its down to carr and carr only

  • 54 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 30, 2015 at 8:01 AM

    But that is part and parcel of what he should be doing anyway. How do you know he is devising a scouting program with Carr? All reports state that the buying and scouting will continue using the same blueprint.

    Is there any evidence of the root and branch review, or is it something that was paid lip service (just like the previous 2 years when we were conducting through internal investigations and reviews into all processes at the club)

    You are operating by just hoping things are changing. I have far less faith in the people in charge of the club, and have seen zero evidence of any change of policy at any level so far.

  • 55 Lilongwe Geordie // Sep 30, 2015 at 8:07 AM

    Our Toon,
    I didn’t think we lined up as a 442, but I did think that Perez played far higher up then we have seen our number 10’s play in the past.

    Out of those 3 I’d take Xhaka, he looked a real attacking talent when he broke into the Basel team but has since dropped much deeper and has a good physical presence that is combined with a very good range of passing and technical ability.

    Lacazette is out of our price range, unless he continues his bad run of form, in which case he is a massive gamble – but one the club do like to take. Unless results pick up dramatically, bringing a player struggling for goals and low on confidence to a club not performing very well and of a defensive nature is a recipe for disaster.

    Haven’t seen much of Guerriero, so can’t really comment, but at the prices being bandied about and from what I have read I’m yet to be convinced.

  • 56 lesh // Sep 30, 2015 at 9:56 AM

    Ian, Lil

    When McC referred to a review, he was talking about reviewing the success or otherwise of recent incomers and that by definition implies a review of the success or otherwise of our policy of buying relatively cheaply from mainland Europe rather than the experienced Prem players.

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