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Newcastle Hit Rock Bottom – Here´s What´s Wrong With Our Players

8:25 pm, Saturday, October 3rd, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 163 Comments

Newcastle put in an excellent first half display and should have been at least two goals up after Mitrovic had opened the scoring after 18 minutes and Newcastle scored again, but it was flagged for offside.

The TV replays showed that no Newcastle players were offside and then Mitrovic had a great chance to score again – but his shot was well blocked by goalkeeper Joe Hart.

So we continued where we left off against Chelsea – but then we conceded five goals in the first 17 minutes of the second half as this Newcastle side collapsed once again.


Steve McClaren man city +NQlQIUOagILm

Steve McClaren on touchline today

There´s something very wrong with Newcastle this year – we have played 27 league games and got only 16 points from the possible 81 points played for and we have only three wins and 17 defeats.

Steve McClaren´s record is worse than that of John Carver with only three draws and five defeats in the first eight league games.

One of the things that seem to be a weakness is our players simply aren´t mentally tough enough – they have to be a lot more mentally tough in these games and we are still short of leaders.

Those are the people who take control and have an influence when things are going terribly wrong – like they did today at the start of the second half.

This is how McClaren explained things after the final whistle this afternoon:

“Once we conceded the third goal we need to handle it better.” “We let ourselves down in that 13-minute spell but give credit to City.”  “We have shown what we are capable of and what our weaknesses are.”

“We have to toughen up and get ready for the next spell of games.”  “I think we carried on the level of performance from last week – a 2-2 draw with Chelsea.”

“We came here to win, were bold in our 4-4-2 and in that first half we really shook Manchester City. We scored the first goal, we scored a second that was disallowed which was onside and we had other opportunities.”

“The goal just before half-time was the goal that gave them a lift and in the second half we got done by Aguero. His finishing was world-class.”

“We knew it would be a tough job. We know what needs to be done and it can’t be turned around in a short period of time. It needs patience.”

“We’ve seen over the last two weeks the work that has been done. In the first half we looked a very good Premier League team. In the second half we didn’t look a very good team. We need to produce for 90 minutes.”

Mike Ashley has every right to ask what is going on at the club – and how come we have just three points in the first eight league games and we seem to be no better than last season after £52M has been spent on new players in the summer.

That´s the question to the Newcastle Board who are the ones running the club in every way these days – other than how much money is made available in each transfer window – that´s Mike Ashley´s job.

But the owner cannot be too pleased with the way £52M has been spent last summer.

There´s still 30 games to play in the league of course and that’s plenty of time to sort things out and the sooner we get our first win in the league the better it will be for very connected with the club.

That second half was completely embarrassing today.

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  • 1 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 8:29 PM

    Ed, its the same wrong today thats been wrong for longer than most care to remember and thats the fact we have no leaders in the squad, our captain should be a manaquin modeling dodgy hair for all the use he is while our so-called big players love nothing more than hiding when things get tough.

    No leadership, no character, no fight and no passion – see, same issues we had for years

  • 2 jane // Oct 3, 2015 at 8:31 PM

    “the owner cannot be too pleased with the way £52M has been spent last summer.”

    the new players have been good buys, don’t think it’s that.

  • 3 Fostino // Oct 3, 2015 at 8:32 PM

    The work ethic and attitude was comical 2nd half. Manager needs to sort this. I’m lost for words.

    Mbabu will prob never grace the pitch again knowing our history. Goofy Anita cisse will prob start next game …colo is in drop able. Same shit..different manager. What a shockingly bad record. Parker was a much more effective manager

  • 4 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 8:34 PM


    What about Thauvin? Another twelve million wasted to add the score of bad signings

  • 5 Fostino // Oct 3, 2015 at 8:35 PM

    Janmaat mbemba Mbabu dummett

    Thauvin wini sissoko rolando

    Perez mitro

    This would be an interesting selection.

  • 6 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 3, 2015 at 8:38 PM

    In our wisdom we refuse to pay £15m for a proven EPL striker. Instead we spend a similar amount on Thauvin after spending a similar amount the previous year on a similar useless French flop of a winger. We sit firmly at the bottom of the league with a makeshift attack and a crap defence after spending £50m. The persons making the decisions are the same ones apologising for their previous bad mistakes. You couldn’t make it up.

  • 7 Shot Bru // Oct 3, 2015 at 8:42 PM

    Jack butler

    Spot on. No leadership anywhere, on or off the pitch.

    And another Brit manager pretending to be a head coach lost somewhere in the 90’s.

    Relegation is inevitable because the clueless Penfold won’t have the balls to sack The Wally and the Wally won’t walk.

    As for the rest of the ‘footballing board’ smells like a boys club on a gravy train

    Ashley Out

  • 8 geordie157 // Oct 3, 2015 at 8:44 PM

    If haidara is back soon I wouldn’t mind seeing mbabu at right back and janmaat right wing.

    There’s no bite in the midfield without colback.

    We need two big signings both leaders, centre back and centre mid.

  • 9 lochinvar // Oct 3, 2015 at 8:52 PM

    If our second goal was disallowed ( I haven’t seen it ) – where are the protests about refs favouring the money men ?
    Was it a dodgy decision ?
    Makes you think Blatter is running some sort of private club ?

    TMO would cut out all these iffy decisions and actually the outcome of many games would be or could be different .

  • 10 stuart no9 // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:00 PM

    we are down now. only the 1st week in october and already 5 points behind 4th place .
    i was hoping we would go down last year coz that is what we deserve , this season has been coming for a long long time , the whole club is in turmoil, the plus point in all this is Ashley will leave at the end of the season, i dont think he will hang around not making any money. we could get relagated with the least number of points ever – another record

  • 11 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:03 PM

    Judge me after 10 games oh yer good plan
    Even If we are to win our next two games we will still be in the relegation zone
    mc claren is a complete joke
    Smiling as he is interviewed after a 6-1 defeat
    He is the worst manager we have had in 10 years and that includes carver
    For gods ask this is a shambles

  • 12 angelswithdirtyfaces // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:04 PM

    Recruitment over the last window made the obvious mistake in not concentrating much more on defence.

    Colo’s contract extension looks a huge error.

    Defenders don’t have as big a ‘markup’ when they get sold on – in our case we made a loss on MYM and Santon so Mike isn’t going to be happy with the higher risks of speculating on defenders. Midfielders and forwards are good for easy money gains and are more saleable which is why we buy more of them than we need, and often not in the positions or with the skills – (pace !!) we really need to build a team.

    The policy of only buying young means we always have inexperience in the side, and a lack of resilience. These are qualities often more associated with slightly older players, if we are over balanced to young players then the tendency to blow up in the face of an onslaught is always there. We also need to have built the side from the back, not the middle. It’s no accident we have lost by five goals or more in 4 of the last 5 seasons when we only had 4 losses by that margin in the 27 years prior to the Ashley policy.

    Add to that the strange pursuit of a target over many windows by Carr, ignoring some very good opportunities in the transfer market, and loss of form by the player in question – as well as higher priorities in other positions.

    It is pretty much all down to Ashley pulling the strings, some bad calls in incoming transfers by Carr, with the end result of a total failure to build a team and not just an assemblage of players with sell on value options. Macca has exactly the same problem as Pardew had. However he does recognise whats wrong, and his comments say so, but he’s only 50/50 to get us out the pit.

    We will flounder until we have a rock solid back 5 (or 6 if we play two DMs) who understand each other, are disciplined, have some mature players at the back – and get rid of the journeymen like Colo. As that is unlikely the prospects of us staying up may be all but over by Christmas.

    A quality playmaker who doesn’t get injured very often is also a must.
    No wonder Pardew wanted to re-sign the Dreamboat at CP and build his side around him again – that was his only relatively successful gambit at SJP, and its paying off for him now.

    It’s not all over yet, but after the next run of 4 mostly winnable matches we’ll all have a pretty good idea of whether they can turn it round for us.

  • 13 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:04 PM

    didnt expect anything but a kickin today….if got any thing great but wasnt expecting….but the next 5-10 games are so important….we need a captain on the pitch, a leader who shouts and balls at people when they screw up not just pat them on the back when they do well….but when he’s the one doin the share of the the screw ups… how can he point the finger?…..tryin to be patient but startin feel desperation creeping in as i dont know where a win is comin from imho maybe stoke at home….but if not then where?

  • 14 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:05 PM

    or should it when?ooops

  • 15 G // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:07 PM

    Players lacking in confidence? More like after Citehs 2nd goal, players no longer giving a toss. We need leadership on the pitch, and off the pitch, poor coach, poor captain (who clearly during thier 2nd goal plays them onside). Geordie Winegum for captain, Dyche for coach for me. Everything I have seen from the new regime suggests certain relegation. I’ve tried to be optimistic this season, but todays surrender means now is the time for a knee jerk reaction. I knoa Citeh are a quality team, but when your team stops caring, you can see that it has nothing to do with fees, and everything to do with motivation.

  • 16 welshgeordie9 // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:09 PM

    Anyone watching the rugby, some bone crunching tackles tonight.

  • 17 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:12 PM

    to me they look like a team with no fear of the coachs, of head coach, or the captain….i’d go along with geordie winegum for captain he may not shout and ball like id like my captain to right now but could lead by example with his pace strength and character

  • 18 G // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:12 PM

    Wrong blog welsh mate.

  • 19 G // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:15 PM

    @17, i see where your coming from, but he actually gets fairly vocal when he sees somebody dropping a bollock. I think he has leader written all over him.

  • 20 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:16 PM

    We will go down and to be honest we deserve it
    And in some ways it will serve Ashley rite
    Ok he has spent 50 mill but we needed another forward and another centre back
    He has appointed a shit manager because of his stupid management structure

  • 21 angelswithdirtyfaces // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:16 PM

    Wini as captain would deffo be a good first move

  • 22 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:20 PM

    No chance of a change in skipper
    Mc shit has nailed his colours firmlto collo girl back or worse

  • 23 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:21 PM

    really,well thats even better then!
    when u think back to janmaats sending off….why didnt colo have a word….we all knew janmaat was ganna gan off but he never approached from what i seen….he may well of tbh..but i didnt see……its not all colos fault but something has to change soon or this season will done by christmas

  • 24 Jail for Ashley // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:21 PM

    Forgive me if I’m wrong but did I see someone calling out catchy and Rotonda for blaming the coaching set up ?

  • 25 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:22 PM

    SM asked the rest of the squad if they wanted Colo to remain as captain!!!

    What else were the players gonna say?

    It would be like turkeys voting for Xmas.

    I can’t imagine the likes of Sissoko or Cisse wanting a roasting of a captain who calls them on being bone idle and not trying hard enough

  • 26 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:23 PM

    ya probably right…..injury maybe?lol

  • 27 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:24 PM

    Mc claren out out out

  • 28 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:24 PM

    More likely another red card lol

  • 29 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:25 PM


    please tell me you are joking???

  • 30 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:26 PM

    Dead serious
    The guy is poison

  • 31 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:28 PM

    the players give the impression they like him but the they are actually taking the piss and letting everything rest on his shoulders….just laughin in his face until a coach says something to them then they go running to him to hide behind

  • 32 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:28 PM


    then you are a fool, you call for the manager to be sacked after such a short time – who, in your unparalleled wisdom would you want to replace him?

    The club is rotten from top to bottom and replacing the manager will achieve nothing other than set us back another six months

  • 33 G // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:28 PM

    Springy, the only time colo gets involved is when there is still aggression between players, which is commendable, but only a small part of his job, he should be in the faces of any player slacking or being clumsy, and he never is. I hope when STaylor is fit they drop colo for him, because at least he will fight the cause, whilst most will argue that colo is the better pkayer, I have far more respect for a player who will put himself in harms way for the cause, and is actually a much better player than he is given credit for.

  • 34 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:34 PM

    MR jack butler
    No my friend you are the fool
    I have watched this team for over thirty years and I like all those who truly understand can tell when the players are doing what they want
    It’s true that the club is pretty rotten
    But there is no doubt our current manager is a complete dick

  • 35 G // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:34 PM

    JB, you usually talk a lot of sense mate, but I’m with yorky on this one. SM is a massive predictable mistake. Look what happened to Derby when the champo teams sussed he had no plan b last year? They should have walked it, but didn’t even make the playoffs.

  • 36 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:37 PM


    The players are doing what they like because of two things

    1 – The system we use to sign players is completely wrong, Carr wastes millions and continues to keep his job

    2 – If SM were to drop the wasters that plight our club who is he going to replace them with?

    And please answer the question, who would have replace SM?

  • 37 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:37 PM

    colo would probably in our side make a better dm…at least if he drops a bollick theres defenders behind who can maybe clean up,i do like that grittyness to staylor..the trip when someones ran passed him the willingness to take a card to save goal…all the best defenders do it but he’s to unreliable with injuries….defeneders should be big strong quick and willing to get hurt to stop a goal…..colo is not

  • 38 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:39 PM


    I’m not saying SM is a great manager, but under the current owner who else could we hope for?

    Our scout made the decision on who replaced Carver, a bloody scout who is now a member of the board.

    Lie it or not SM is the best we could hope to get and if we replace him the choices are far worse

  • 39 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:40 PM

    Sean dyce

  • 40 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:41 PM

    Sean dyce

    My dear god – and people wonder why NUFC fans are called deluded

  • 41 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:42 PM

    And why would that be
    I don’t understand

  • 42 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:43 PM

    “Mike Ashley has every right to ask what is going on at the club”


    The answer is him, personally so he no need be surprised. Its plain as hell what the problem is.

    Poor investment, and appointments made by HIM personally.

  • 43 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:44 PM

    JB…we can all agree everything is wrong with that board, but there are nothing that points to the fact that Carr appointed SM rather than Charnley…

    …nothing really points to Carr does anything else than scout players and make recommendations!

    One of the myths are Carr and SM are friends!

  • 44 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:44 PM

    The guy is paid peanuts at burnley
    He would jump at the Newcastle job and he would build a team of quality at great value
    Inge,votes ,rodregius
    I rest my case

  • 45 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:44 PM


    What has he ever done to suggest that he is the man that could turn us around?

    Bare in mind that he’d probably have less say than SM does, he’d still have a poor and small squad to chose from and he’d only be given a handful of games to get it right before people like you call for him to be sacked

  • 46 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:46 PM


    And there are plenty of other pieces that say Carr was the man that got SM the job

  • 47 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:47 PM

    i did’nt want macca in didnt think he was good enough as a manager…as a coach he’s meant to be one the best but as a manager i was’nt impressed,but he came so as we do..we have to give him time,the run of games we’ve had have’nt helped because i felt it was very tough start to the season but thought there would be some sort of progression,but can anyone see improvement?….he said judge me after 10 games by then i should know my best team…..i cant see us winning a game till 12th or longer going off these performances….tryin to be patient that will onlylast so long with me and others…..the derby could be the biggest game of maccas season

  • 48 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:47 PM

    JB…what’s their sources?

  • 49 G // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:48 PM

    @37, colo at cdm actually makes a bit of sense, but does vern really deserve to lose his place for an experiment? I’m not so sure mate. I would play him over Colback though, great workrate, with no thought. Never thought I would see a less intelligent player than Daniel Cordone, however, I stand corrected.

  • 50 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:49 PM


    Its a long standing friendship between the two, the stories are there if you look and Carr is not just a scout he’s a member of the board and involved in every decision

  • 51 Ravostag // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:50 PM

    This squad should not be bottom of the league and receiving a thumping that occurred today. The problem is this team have no heart no bottle no b.ll. no commitment they ARE JUST NOT BOTHERED. When you look at other teams in the Premier, Bournemouth, Norwich, Leicester, Stoke, West Brom, Villa, thereo more quality than we have. To start with we need a Coach to strike fear into the players, not the Pardews, Carvers, McLarens that we have been saddled with over the past few years. Also we need to get rid of the Collos, Gouffrans, Obertan, Tiote, Cisse as they are JUST NOT BOTHERED. Pick a team with lads who are committed, how would this be for a start
    Krul, Janmaat, Mbabu, Mbemba Haidara, Winjaldum, Anita, Sissoko, Armstrong Perez and Mitrovic
    We might lose but at least we would try, unlike the present crop of no hopers.

  • 52 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:50 PM

    I don’t agree the squad is poor just the management we have signed three excellent players this window
    He has got a small team in a Lancashire mill town to the premier almost kept them up and looks like they are go to be in the mix again
    But maybe fools like you will wave as we pass burnley as they replace us in the premier league and then say what has he done
    Wake up and smell the coffee

  • 53 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:54 PM


    Fools like me see that the issue is not the manager but the system that decides who the manager is.

    you dont think we have a poor squad?

    May I siggest you look again mate as its full of players that simply dont give a damn what happens to the club, a captain thats an embarressment to the shirt and armband and one or two players aside ther majority are simply here to pick up their cheque and move on asap

  • 54 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:55 PM


    You don’t think the squad is poor? And you expect people to take your opinion seriously?

  • 55 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:55 PM

    i think even dyche would struggle to motivate our bunch of big time charlies….there attitude stinks,and are bloody spineless at times

  • 56 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:56 PM

    JB…that’s just subjective journalism without any shred of empirical evidence!

    If I were to make that bold statement I wouldn’t be able to back my claim up one bit mate 😉 if you catch my drift?

  • 57 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:57 PM

    A team is a function of its leader
    Mr mc is that leader
    Time to change it can’t get worse
    If you had not noticed we are bottom of the league

  • 58 G // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:57 PM

    JB, believe me, if Sean Dyche wants to be heard, he will be heard, its one of the reasons I would have him as manager. He gets the best out of every player at his disposal, he will have no hesitation replacing a player not giving everything, and he takes no sh!t from anybody. Whilst I’m not deluded enough to think he would definately deliver on titles and trophies, I am deluded enough to believe he would make our team as competitive as they could possibly be, for that reason he is one of the few managers I actually would give time and patience to.

  • 59 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:58 PM

    JB…even SM have said on numerous times that they don’t know each other!

  • 60 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 9:59 PM


    the stories are there, go take a look, don’t feel the need to post link after link to prove what I’ve read.

    you said that “…nothing really points to Carr does anything else than scout players and make recommendations!”

    He’s a member of the board, so he has more of a say than what you think

  • 61 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:02 PM

    charnley probably just asked carr what he thought of him since charnley seems to know naf all about football,thats the sum total of his involvement!lol

  • 62 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:02 PM


    It doesnt matter who the manager is, Klopp could be here, the substandard squad will also still be here, the system of signing players would still be here, the shyte attitude of the players would still be here.

    when are people going to wake up and realise its the likes of Charnley, Carr and Ashley that are to blame and until they go nothing will change.

    What type of message does it send to the rest of the squad when the like’s of Colo is offered a new deal and the armband after everything he’s done?

  • 63 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:04 PM

    Jackie boy
    We bottom of the league even carver didn’t manage that
    Time to change

  • 64 Tsunki // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:04 PM

    I think a small round of appreciative applause for ‘jane’ who has done an absolutely wonderful job of straightening up the deckchairs on the Titanic. Lovely job. You’re so right, ‘jane’ we are so off the pace, not noticing the silver lining an’ all 🙂

  • 65 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:05 PM

    It can’t get any worse

  • 66 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:06 PM

    tbh i dont know.. neither does anyone on here i doubt know if macca and carr no each that well but they’ve been in the game a long time so might of crossed paths at one stage or another

  • 67 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:06 PM


    You are deluded mate, if you think for one second your prefered manager would do any better.

    Try opening your eye’s and pointing the finger at those who ARE responisible for what is happening at the club.

    Its people like you that Mike Ashley loves, as while he’s screwing us blind fools blame the manager

  • 68 Tsunki // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:06 PM

    Yorky carver didn’t have time. He tried his best though!

  • 69 toon kk // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:07 PM

    Quite a few things need to be ironed oot, starting with the fans, get a grip MA is taking the
    at least half of our useless squad should be released.
    Stop this buy to sell regime which is flawed.
    Get rid of Carr.
    buy quality with pace
    and get the players fit.
    thats just the start.

  • 70 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:07 PM

    JB…I think he has a say!

    …I don’t see anything pointing to the claim that he appointed SM or that he does much else than to scout players and bring his opinion forward!

    Like I said everything is wrong with this board!

    And the myth about Carr and SM knowing each other has been killed along time ago…

  • 71 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:07 PM

    Even if Carr has had no say in the appointment of McClaren he is clearly incompetent as a scout for signing so many players who are unsuitable for the Premier League.

    Either that, or he is performing his remit of signing players solely for the purpose of selling them on, as opposed to improving the team.

    So he’s either incompetent or a willing accomplice in Mike Ashley’s systematic destruction of our club.

    Graham Carr can no longer escape the ire of Newcastle fans. He is a club shill who has weaseled his way to the top. By mere association alone the man deserves criticism.

    All of this is coming from a point that MA is the main problem…but you all know that anyway 😉

  • 72 G // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:07 PM

    I agree JB that part of the problem is our system, but even fixing part of that system can’t be a bad move? SM was always the wrong man, surely you can’t advocate keeping the wrong man just to wait and see?

  • 73 lochinvar // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:07 PM

    The Chelsea Owner need to take action.
    Jose Mourinho: Chelsea boss says ‘sack me but I won’t quit’

    England Rugby Hierarchy will take action.
    England concede to Australia

    Newcastle owner Mike Ashley is nowhere to be seen
    Newcastle United in disarray

    The end is nigh…..but then again it was years ago…

  • 74 Tsunki // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:08 PM

    Yorky not the only one to be fooled by Ashleys dog track hare.

  • 75 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:09 PM

    made me chuckle cheers!

  • 76 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:10 PM

    You rite but he did keep us up
    Not sure this muppet will achieve that

  • 77 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:11 PM

    Everything is wrong with the manager we have and half the Derby coaching staff he brought in…

    …and everything is wrong with our GM who doesn’t know what he is doing!

    The goal this season is top 8 snd winning a cup. If it doesn’t happen surely he cannot escape the sack once again 😉 and surely SM won’t be here this long!

  • 78 jimmysmith // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:11 PM

    With the benefit of hindsight, they’d surely have done more to ship out and replace about another six. They are letting contracts run down to some degree, but the ones who know they are unwanted are going to continue to offer little, and that puts a lot of pressure on a core group of players who are young, inexperienced and probably a bit shell shocked. It’s understandable, replacing so many, is not just risky, it’s hard to do well, so it was always going to be tough, but if Ashley is true to his word, and money continues to be spent on quality the side will surely rise. But this is what you get when you underspend for 8 years. Pardew held his first teams together far better than he was given credit for.

  • 79 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:12 PM


    I’m not advocating that at all, I’m pointing out the fact that sacking SM would achieve nothing as the same people will remain in charge making all the decisions. The person/people who employed SM would also employ his replacement, how long can we go round in circles???

    If SM was sacked today and replaced it would only be a matter of time before people on here would be calling for his head.

    The entire club is broken mate and changing the manager would alter nothing as the only type of manager that could possibly change things a) wouldn’t come here in a million years b)the powers that be would never entertain as they want to retain 100% control

  • 80 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:12 PM

    Jackie boy
    There is none so blind as those that will not see
    I think that is you mate

  • 81 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:14 PM


    I think it’s pretty obvious that we are miles away from being a top 8 club. You don’t genuinely think that any coach could achieve that with the players we have?

    You’ve got the top 6, plus the likes of Southampton, Swansea, Crystal Palace, Stoke, West Ham who are all considerably better than us in terms of squad depth and quality. We’re f**ked by comparison.

    Top 8? We’ll do well to stay out of the bottom 3!

  • 82 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:14 PM


    Sack the manager, bring in a new guy and call for his head in a few weeks time, that should keep you a happy little boy, you simply cannot educate stupidity

  • 83 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:15 PM

    does anyone know if carr get a bonus for the players we sign on his recommendation?…..just wondering?

  • 84 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:16 PM

    Ruddy…as long as we stick to what we know and not what is convenient (and then make it so)!

    …like I said earlier alot more is wrong with this club than Ashley! (even though I know you disagree)

  • 85 yorkymag // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:18 PM

    Jackie boy
    You are rite I give up you are so stupid
    I can’t be bothered to waste anymore time on you
    Enjoy match of the day!!!!

    Nighty nighty

  • 86 G // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:19 PM

    Change happens in small chunks mate, SM has to go first. Not sure how much weight Carr and Charnley and Moncur have, other than willing figureheads. I for one would change the problem I can see, before addressing the problem that very much might be nonexistent. Not saying you’re wrong, just saying I know this problem.

  • 87 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:19 PM

    Ruddy…No I never thought that was going to happen mate but I don’t go around saying stupid things like that either!

    …it’s their statement and so they shall be judge by it. It’s a club without consequences…and a club like that don’t move anywhere…

    …it only attracts opportunists!

  • 88 toon kk // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:20 PM

    Its f all to do with Macca, its a mixture of players simply not good enough and those that are most aren’t giving 100%.
    The club’s a result of years of a dodgy flawed regime.
    Fans have to take there share of responsibility for supporting the fk up.

  • 89 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:21 PM


    how can you say theres a lot more wrong with this club than Ashley???

    He ownes the club, he employed the chairman, he gave Carr his eight year contract, he signed off on Pardew, Kinnear (twice), Wise and SM etc etc

    He allows Carr to waste the best part of 100 million in two years with zero recourse.

    Everything that is wrong at this club is BECAUSE of Ashley and how we are run

  • 90 G // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:22 PM

    @81, correct, but we cant sign players till after xmas, we can however sign a motivator now. We could pay SM off for a lot less than the money we would lose from the relegation.

  • 91 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:26 PM

    JB…because by the looks of it it seems we will have the same problems and discussions even once Ashley sells up!

    …we are non the wiser and still decided as a fan base. We never seem to learn anything.

    As long ad this discussion just focus on Ashley nothing is going to change!

  • 92 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:26 PM


    Who would you have to replace SM?

    Keep in mind the same people that hired our current manager and his entire backroom staff would be the same one’s selecting his replacement

  • 93 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:26 PM

    *decided = devided

  • 94 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:27 PM

    just to throw a name at you who in the past has had the the rep of being a player motivator and is’nt working right now……harry redknapp…would you have him now till the end of the season in stead of macca?……not pickin sides or lookin for an arguement just a name that popped in my head when i read your comment

  • 95 Jail for Ashley // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:29 PM

    The reason I wanted someone else like FDB was that they would not be desperate for a job and therefore not willing to accept the ridiculous conditions that go with the ‘coaches’ job at our place. SMc appointment was the direct result of him not being successful at his former club, he would not of touched our terms and conditions had be have nkt been sacked from Derby.

  • 96 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:29 PM


    Nothing will change as long as Ashley is here, it will see us going round in circles but its a fact.

    one of two things has to happen, either he sells up or he employs the right people to do the job, if neither happens this discussion will go on and on.

    But people blaming the manager at this early stage just allows Ashley to breath easy as he’s off the hook when he is the root cause of our plight

  • 97 lesh // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:30 PM


    For what it’s worth, yesterday’s Mail suggested that Ellis Short might well turn to Rednapp may be a successor to Advocaat, were he to walk away.

  • 98 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:32 PM

    its like he’s dropped a quid and found a tenner comin here….the second he signed whether he succeeded or fail he was minted

  • 99 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:32 PM


    the sad thing is FdB wouldnt take the job the way its structured.

    Our scout has been made a board member for christs sake and people call for the manager to be sacked.

    Talk about not being able to see the wood for the tree’s

  • 100 G // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:33 PM

    JB, its the same name I’ve been quoting for 3 years plus now, its Sean Dyche, and nothing he has done in that time has diminished that admiration. Frankly you would have to be an idiot to disagree.

  • 101 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:33 PM

    JB…nothing will change because we keep bitching about Ashley and accepts all the crap in between!

    The outcome is simple! Once Ashley sells we would be non the wiser and the cycle can repeat itself with a new owner and you and I can have this discussion once again mate 😉

  • 102 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:34 PM

    really….did’nt nar that.. probably find out derby day coz they usually change managers just before we play them!!lol

  • 103 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:36 PM


    Not everyone accepts his crap mate, i havent set foot near SJP for years because of him and I wont until he’s long gone and as long as people fixate on the manager and not on Ashley the longer he will be here

  • 104 G // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:36 PM

    Springy, no Dirty Arry for me mate, frankly, I would rather have arse cancer than the relegation and bung specialist.

  • 105 jane // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:37 PM

    time is fast running out for Steve McClaren. I still hope he can turn things around but as I’ve said before I have my doubts. if he doesn’t deliver soon he will have to go before we are too far adrift and I’m sure Ashley realises this. Allardyce, Pardew and Pulis are probably considered to be the most capable of quickly turning a club around but none of these would obviously come. if McClaren is sacked and we are 5-10 points adrift of safety who do you think would be good appointment? Nigel Pearson comes to my mind because of what he did at Leicester? but I would go for Gus Poyet.

  • 106 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:39 PM


    Do you think that he would have any more say here than Pardew had or Sm has today?

    You cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear mate and this squad is a sows ear and Dyche would have little to no say in the matter.

    I agree that he is a good manager, no better or worse than SM but you’d have to be a miricle worker to turn this squad around

  • 107 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:40 PM

    JB…you can have one eye on Ashley and another on things that goes on right in front of us…

    If both eyes are on Ashley and Ashley alone you’ll miss everything mate!

    We should make the best of Ashley’s tome here…the experience is worth alot to use fans. It can prevent something like this happening again!

  • 108 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:41 PM

    *tome = time

  • 109 Jail for Ashley // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:42 PM

    The best appointment would be Ashley genuinely putting the club up for sale and getting his poisonous influence miles away from us !

  • 110 jane // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:42 PM

    agree there is no point just focussing on something that is unlikely to happen, better to make the most of now.

  • 111 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:42 PM

    Colo. Absolutely shocking defending.

  • 112 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:43 PM

    so ashley sticks macca till jan and we’ve struggled and are a little adrift at the bottom….what do you think ashley will do?…..give him more money….or say no its waste of money we are down?….coz if things dont change between now and then whether its macca pulling us out the shit or someone else….i cant see him investing or even players wanting to come

  • 113 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:44 PM

    That’s my worth of advise for the evening!

    Enjoy the rest of the evening lads.

  • 114 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:45 PM


    Some people have both eye’s on him as sod all will change while he’s here. Calling for the manager to be sacked while he’s still here achieves nothing as he’d be replaced with another like minded, desperate manager, if sacking SM saw the likes of Klopp or FdB coming here then fine, i’d be 100% behind it, but you and I both know it wont, but while people are calling for SM head they are ignoring the true cause of our problem

  • 115 G // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:47 PM

    JB he with the squad we have, would put a rocket where the sun don’t shine mate, and I think you’ll agree, its needed.

  • 116 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:47 PM


    There has always been problems at our club other than Ashley, and there will likely be problems when he leaves the club too. However, given how insidious his tenure has been, I think if for nothing other than a brief respite, I want him shot of the club.

    Ideally, I think every club should be fan owned to some degree and I’d love to see that to prevent another opportunist coming in and exploiting our club again, but failing that I would be content with anyone but Ashley.

  • 117 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:50 PM

    JB…good talk mate 🙂 always informative to debate stuff with you. Whether we agree on everything. Enjoy the rest of the evening.

    Early morning for me 🙁

  • 118 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:50 PM


    What is happening now is the fault of the way we’ve been run for years. He failed to invest when it was needed, he’s employed the wrong people and now everything is coming back to bite him.

    That 50 million we spent in the summer wasn’t him turning over a new leaf, it was him realising that the rest of the league were spending and had been spending for years so it was panic that released that money. 50 million against 138 million he’d lose if/when we are relegated.

    Sack SM, change the entire policy of the club and go out and employ a proven, quality manager who has final say on signings and fine I’m all for that, but unless the policy at the club changes results on the pitch wont change a great deal irrispective of who is in the dugout

  • 119 Jail for Ashley // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:51 PM

    I was a firm member of the as I knew what the bigger picture was, I also argued that he should have been backed after we finished fifth, he wasn’t and he got him and his mates good money to keep quiet, I lost all respect for him when I realised he was complicit in the whole sordid affair.

  • 120 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:52 PM


    he would put a rocket, agree mate, but with some of these players a rocket still wouldn’t work, you put a rocket on our current captain and he’d just slope back off home

  • 121 jimmysmith // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:53 PM

    McClaren will only be in danger if we are in the bottom three in the New Year. The side has shown flashes of very good play, and the fixture list shocking. Big games, and sides that run like ferk, against a young team, and a squad still largely full of the same players who nearly took us down, and the same injury problems. Sacking McClaren I doubt is even a consideration at this point.

  • 122 BandB // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:53 PM


    You have consistently been uneasy at the finger being pointed at Ashley.
    You are really as unwilling as Jib to hear him criticised, though in a more quiet and reasonable way.
    Can you please explain what it is you think he is continuing to do right?

  • 123 G // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:56 PM

    People are putting way too much onus on who own or runs the club, when the seymours ran the club, we had board busters, who made no difference, when SJH ran the club people revelled in the fact he had been a Sunderland season ticket holder in the past, when sheppard was in charge we had him and Halls son saying we were mugs and all Geordie women are dogs (whilst attempting to pay for sex with a couple of right night fighters). Frankly I dont care who runs the club, I care about who plays forthe club, and who manages.

  • 124 lochinvar // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:57 PM

    Guess what – both us and the Mackems could be Managerless for the Derby.
    Loose that game McLaren and I doubt you’ll ever manage a football team again.
    I feel like I’m on the set of Mad Max – first Pardew, then Carver, then McLaren – it’s like the villains just keep coming – all we need now is Pulis in a track suit and then I’m off .
    I can’t even be bothered to watch MOD anymore – it is that bad .
    Elephant in the room ? No there’s a whole fecking herd of them .

  • 125 mainemagpie // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:57 PM

    17 Aug 2014 Newcastle V Man City.
    6 Starters…..Krul, Coloccini, Janmaat,Sissoko, Anita, Gouffran…Sub, Perez, came on at 83mins…
    lost 2-0.
    Oct 3, 2015 Newcastle V Man City.
    7 Starters…..Krul, Coloccini, Janmaat, Sissoko, Anita, Gouffran, Perez…..Lost 6-1.

    Additions to team that played 17Aug2014……
    Wijnaldum, Mitrovic, Mbemba who replaced Williamson, Colback and Riviere.

    Exactly what? has changed at Newcastle United since last season?

  • 126 Mister Tuff // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:58 PM

    some top managers being mentioned tonight – Dyche/Pearson/Poyet.
    Top managers -NOT.

    All second raters (as is Wally).

  • 127 Jail for Ashley // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:58 PM

    We’d have been happy losing to Blackpool and Stoke 2-1 at home but beating Villa and the mackems 6-0 and 5-1 we’d have fi nished no worse under a manager we liked !

  • 128 BandB // Oct 3, 2015 at 10:59 PM

    One by one the cute-as-a-box-of-monkeys owners have spun the barrel once too often.
    Wigan, Blackpool, Cardiff, Hull. QPR, all gone, and Villa, Sunderland and us already detached.
    Maybe someone up there doesn’t like them.

  • 129 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:00 PM


    It comes down to the right people for the right position within the club.

    Look at Swansea or Southampton, two clubs that sell their best players, who’s wages are roughly in line with ours, but they have the right people at the club who make the right decisions at the right time, they employ the right people to manager the team, while we simply don’t

  • 130 jane // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:02 PM

    the remaining 11 matches this calendar year are all ones we should be expected to take points from but if we lose the next 2 or 3 and get further adrift I wouldn’t expect McClaren to last to the new year.

  • 131 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:03 PM

    2 things that are likely to happen…
    1) ashley is goin nowhere
    2)if we bottom at the end of transfer window,we will be relegated,if ashley will lose out on the biggest sky deal in years
    i dont think he’ll let that happen unless he has had a total and utter brainwave and wants this club to challenge and is willing to stick by the manager even thru relegation to rebuild……not likely
    yes ya right theres a hell of a lot wrong thru-out the club from the very top to the players attitudes but i believe macca will be gone before mid november if things dont change quickly

  • 132 BandB // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:04 PM

    We have 30 games to get 33 points. That’s a higher points per game total than we have managed in two of the past three years.

  • 133 Jail for Ashley // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:04 PM

    The fixture list is shocking, I know, fancy throwing Watfird, Swansea, W Ham and Soton into the first eight games !!!

  • 134 lochinvar // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:04 PM

    BandB – spot on.
    It’s a Private Members Club with Blatter as Chairman.
    If your face doesn’t fit you’re out.
    Whelan and Ashley being two prime examples.
    Cartel ?
    Carousel more like – and we just fell off

  • 135 jimiley // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:06 PM

    The manager is poor but the main problem is that the overpaid players do not give a …. The cause of the problem is Ashley but nobody wants to do anything about him. I do not waste my money on this club anymore and the fans can swivel because they are mugs.

  • 136 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:07 PM

    BandB…I think you have never understood what I stand for and misunderstood the points I have put across;

    This was so evident back when Ibiza was fighting the good flight. You turn my points cleverly around…both you and I know I have never championed the things Ashley has done here you just choose to disregard that for your own person quest!

    I choose to disregard that as always…and ad you know your praise or lack there of has no impact on my.

    I was about to be off and still am;

    Ruddy…speak to you next time mate.

  • 137 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:07 PM


    no doubt Ashley will have to ride in on his white horse and put things right just as he did before.

    I have no issue with SM being replaced but it has to be with someone proven and not another off the friends list but when people call for Dyche or Poyet I’m left bemused as neither are better than what we currently have

  • 138 BandB // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:07 PM


    I’m just asking you a straight question.
    Nothing trappy about it at all.

  • 139 lochinvar // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:08 PM

    Has Colo resigned yet ?
    He should get together with Chris Robshaw and swap notes

  • 140 Jail for Ashley // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:08 PM

    What would have been nice, Bournemouth at home first game, Villa away, Stoke at hone, then what ???

  • 141 G // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:10 PM

    Ashley is going nowhere, nor should we care. Much as I would love to see the back of him, it won’t happen. Gone are the days of billionairres wanting to buy clubs on a whim. Besides, he isn’t wearing the teacksuit shouting ‘cross it’ from the sidelines. We need motivation, leadership and pace, something not usually found in the boardroom.

  • 142 Jail for Ashley // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:10 PM

    When Ibiza was fighting what good fight?

  • 143 Jail for Ashley // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:11 PM

    His first one Jespet !

  • 144 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:12 PM

    bar watford and maybe a draw at swansea(maybe) we lost against those sides in the same games last season….so why would you expect us to do better with pretty much the same squad?…..2015 has been woeful

  • 145 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:15 PM

    BandB…you are asking me a question knowing what I think makes no sense!

    …then it just gets to be one of your little games 😉

  • 146 jane // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:18 PM

    ” if sacking SM saw the likes of Klopp or FdB coming here then fine”

    might be difficult to attract someone like that for a relegation fight if we are adrift.

  • 147 Jail for Ashley // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:18 PM

    I can’t but on current form who else could I have picked for an easier start, maybe WBA ?

  • 148 jimiley // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:19 PM

    As fans, we need putting out of our yearly agony and we should get relegated this season. Hopefully it will all be over by Xmas and we will not need to agonize whether it will be this season or next season. This club needs a rebirth and that will only arrive with relegation and the departure of a certain cancer.

  • 149 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:20 PM

    You probably missed that one Jait!

  • 150 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:20 PM


    so lets sack him and bring in another dud the club are so fond of shall we

  • 151 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:22 PM

    Unbelievable! Colo was AWOL time and time again. That bloke has to go. Has to. Anybody who thinks otherwise should watch MOTD and focus on Colo. Where the hell was he going? It happens every week. And I keep going on about hom flinching and turning his back. Look at him for the fifth goal where he actually gets out the way by ducking behind Janmaat. Seen nothing like it. And he’s the captain. The defence are taking their positions from him. No wonder they were poor too.

  • 152 jane // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM

    Jack McClaren may turn out to be third rate so they might be a step up. who would you go for who realistically would come?

  • 153 BandB // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:25 PM

    Rangers seem to have picked up since he was excised.
    And all those coaching, managing and on-field problems that stopped them in their tracks last year seem to have miraculously disappeared at the same time.
    First case in history of the wheels falling back on.

  • 154 SPRINGY // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:25 PM

    just play them as they come and compare them to last years results….when i looked at first ten games of this season then looked at results of last season it was tough…we’ve been poor clueless and very low on confidence and nowt changed in preseason….so looked a tough start…which it has proved to be

  • 155 JackButler // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:27 PM


    The only realistic managers we could go for are all made from the same mold, so it matters little until the club alters it approach.

    FdB, Klopp etc etc all available in the summer, none of them even considered – tells you everything about the way we are run

  • 156 G // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:28 PM

    Just checked my email, apparently England are out of the rugby world cup. Thank god we can now be in the pub without listening to some hoorah shouting offside when they clearly dont understand the rules. Meanwhile, in the real sport, today was still shocking, the better team won, but the manner of our submission was unacceptable.

  • 157 jimiley // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:29 PM

    Ashley is crap. So is Penfold and so is Carr. Brolly man is crap and the players do not give a …. The club is f…..d. So what?

  • 158 jane // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:30 PM

    I wouldn’t have gone for McClaren or Vierra but this is where we are now and if we want to avoid relegation it does matter or it may matter in a few weeks time.

  • 159 jimiley // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:31 PM

    Managers are incidental. They would all fail at this club. The cancer emenates from the top and kills all below.

  • 160 The overrated Frenchman // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:31 PM

    I haven’t got any bright ideas as to who would be the best replacement for McClaren but there must be somebody out there. Anyway, the first step should be to get rid of Charnley and replace him with an astute “football” person. A proper DoF or MD or whatever you call him would quickly dispense with the services of Carr and McClaren I’d suggest and that can only be a step in the right direction. Sometimes, you have to make your own luck…

  • 161 jimiley // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:33 PM

    It can get worse and it will. Sleep on that.

  • 162 BandB // Oct 3, 2015 at 11:37 PM

    Charnley isn’t a football MD.
    He’s a property tycoon 🙂
    He’s a serviceable fellow, and won’t be replaced.

  • 163 usmagpie // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:09 AM

    I have nothing. If I start on here I will get banned for use of language. Sorry Ed.

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