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McClaren Puts Positive Spin On Yesterday

9:26 am, Sunday, October 4th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 143 Comments

Newcastle have 3 points after the first eight league games played and that´s four points worse off than we were last season when we also had a very poor start and  some fans were demonstrating against Pardew and wanted him out.

They got their wish when he left for Crystal Palace early in January and they are now 3rd top of the league with 15 points with 5 wins in their first eight league games.

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Steve McClaren and Manuel Pellegrini before the game

Steve McClaren after the game tried to put  a positive spin on the 6-1 thrashing:

“We re-evaluate all the time,” “What’s happened in the first eight games will go a long way to how the players and everyone within the club reacts.”

“We want to take that hurt and what we’ve done well and take that forward.”

“I’ve said before, I’ve come to grounds, I’ve come to Arsenal and was beaten 7-0 and in May we’re in an FA Cup semi-final and a UEFA Cup final. It depends on the reaction in the dressing room.”

“You’ve seen today the work they’ve been doing, the system that has been in play, against Chelsea and City first half was very good. Then we’ve just let ourselves down in that 15-minute spell.”

“Give credit to Manchester City. That’s why they’ll probably win the league. You can see that within them.”

“They’re licking their wounds from last season and they’re determined now. Sometimes you just have to accept that.”

“When you’re in it, they’re all big,” said the head coach. “You’re absolutely right, it is tough. But we knew it would be.”

“We knew from past history and we’ve said what needs to be done cannot be turned around in a short space of time. It needs patience in the process.”

“You’ve seen in the last two weeks the work that has been done, what this team is capable of doing, how it can play, and we looked in the first half a very good Premier League team.”

“In the second half we didn’t look a very good team. Consistency over 90 minutes, there’s a team in there, we’ve seen that. We need to produce that for 90 minutes now.”

We don´t think we should give credit to Manchester City because Newcastle defended very poorly in that second half after doing well in the first half.

Yes, Manchester City are the best team money can buy, but they lost their last two league games before yesterday.

Steve McClaren and company have to start winning soon, especially when we have some of the  tough games out of the way.

Newcastle played every one of last season´s top four in our first eight league games and another two, Southampton and Swansea finished in the top eight last season.

We did well against all of the top four clubs except Manchester  City – and that was only in the second half when we didn´t turn up yesterday.

Now we have to show we can do well against the lesser teams in the league and get some wins on the board.

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  • 1 Dennis Twice // Oct 4, 2015 at 9:29 AM

    Attack Toon attack, attack!

  • 2 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 9:32 AM

    People need to take a look at Southampton and Swansea, two clubs that have to sell their best players, that spend roughly what we have spent recently and both pay around the same wages as us. But where they differ massively is that they have the right people in place to react in the right way while we simply don’t.

  • 3 SUTTY1978 // Oct 4, 2015 at 9:37 AM

    The guy is full of shit.
    Keeps talking about needing time for “what needs to be done” and “the process”. Total bull
    We’re not playing any differently to how we have for the last 5 years. Defend deep, hope the opposition don’t score and pray for a bit of luck going forward.
    I don’t buy into “we cant judge him until he has the team he wants” any half decent manager would make a better fist of it with these players at his disposal.
    Sick of his grinning, gurning face. Enough.

  • 4 Transfer Sage // Oct 4, 2015 at 9:37 AM


    That’s the difference from having an owner who wants the club to progress and an owner who is happy to just keep us in the league.

    No idea why Ashley is still here. Sports direct doesn’t need that much more advertising, it’s the only big sports shop left in the country.

    Hopefully he is just waiting for the financial climate to pick up so he can sell us for decent money.

  • 5 NezzaNUFC // Oct 4, 2015 at 9:40 AM

    McClaren needs to re-evaluate his position here.

    He needs to demand CB’s from Lee and tell Carr to f@ck off and retire.

    Judge me after 10 games he said? The next two games should be a easy 6 points, if he doesn’t get 6 points from them then his job will be on the line.

  • 6 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 9:40 AM


    You can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear mate, the reality is our squad simply isn’t good enough, so much so that just about every manager would struggle with them.

  • 7 Spuggy // Oct 4, 2015 at 9:41 AM

    Haven’t seen anything yet from thauvin to justify his transfer fee. Perez looks better all round and I though that before the window. We don’t have a creative midfielder to pull the strings. A great passer with vision and range.

  • 8 Transfer Sage // Oct 4, 2015 at 9:41 AM


    The reason I blame ashley soley is that he is the guy who appoints these people.

    He appointed Wise, Llambias, Kinnear and not Charnley.

    He also appointed (with help from those above) Kinnear, Pardew and McClaren.

    Pointless hounding out Pardew, Charnley or McClaren as we know we’ll just get another one in exactly the same. In fact we seem to get worse.

  • 9 optimistic prime // Oct 4, 2015 at 9:43 AM

    NUFC is currently a reflection of Ashley not the City or the fans.

    The players like the owner don’t give a toss as this is just a stop over, they like Ashley will take what they can whilst they can putting the minimum back in.

    Ashley out!

  • 10 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 9:44 AM


    Can’t see him leaving mate as he’s making too much off us and the money is only getting bigger going into next season so as a business man he will continue to run us for the least amount of expenditure for the maximum amount of profit

  • 11 NezzaNUFC // Oct 4, 2015 at 9:46 AM

    Who at Newcastle wanted these players?

    Ayew, Payet, Mane, Van Dilj, Tadich, Zouma, PEA?

    Obviously Carr didn’t!

  • 12 Transfer Sage // Oct 4, 2015 at 9:49 AM


    I don’t get that argument. He could take 20/30 mil a year or just sell us and get around 200mil with no risk. If we go down this time there is no way this team has the fight for the championship, which is getting much better die to premier league money filtering down.

    Also I can see the tv deals blowing up soon, getting too spread out. People won’t pay ever increasing fees for sky and bt when you can pay a one off £80 for an android box to get the lot and more.

  • 13 cyprus // Oct 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM

    I hate playing devil’s advocate on this one, as I said before, the blame is shared among many:

    If someone can complete the slolgan ‘Ashley out’ with ‘_____ in’, I’ll be convinced. It’s not a well thought out argument, seriously. Give me a name, don’t say lots of people. Ashley invest, Ashley hire an internationally aclaimed manager etc. seems more reasonable.

    NOBODY wants to buy this club, and I’m not talking about you or me, or someone who will bust the bank to raise that kind of money and then follow that up with real player etc. investment. A very limited pool of eligible human beings is out there.

    This Steve, this ‘amazing’ psychologist, the one in whom we trust, the ‘prodigy’ kid coach, all these people must absorb at least some blame, along with the owner.

  • 14 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 9:55 AM

    You have to look at what he makes off us throughout Europe as well mate, he went head to head with decathlon, the biggest sports retailer in France, hence the French Revolution here, the EPL is televised the world over and SD is plastered on every single part of SJP and its all free advertising.

    He’s a businessman, and a very, very good one and we are a means to make him money, he isn’t motivated by our success other than survival, he’s motivated by greed. He has no interest in selling us and only a ridiculous offer would make him consider walking away

  • 15 The next Mike Williamson // Oct 4, 2015 at 9:57 AM

    Don’t worry. He said that he got the process eventually at his high spending Boro team. The process finally clicked and they had a good season after 3 years, finishing 7th. Shame they were awful again the next season despite having some great players. This wally is as bad as Carver. Both good coaches, but nobody has ever called them good managers.

  • 16 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:00 AM


    Blaming SM is like buying a cheap, knackered car and then moaning when it breaks down

  • 17 The next Mike Williamson // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:02 AM

    Da Silva and Aguera had far too much space at the edge of our box. Nobody seemed to be breaking up play. Anita & Gouffran must be the weakest two defensive midfielders ever. I know Colo must take the bulk of the blame, but any defender would struggle getting zero protection from the midfield.

    We should have kept Abeid. He’s big, strong, and can pass far far better than our other defensive midfielders. I guess McClaren wanted little guys who can keep possesion but do f*** all with it.

  • 18 Munster Mag // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:02 AM

    Smc is known to be a seriously good media and PR spin machine. He is showing his class now with that type of drivel. If we wont sack him ( and we wont, even if we go down, trust me on this) we have to invest in 3 winners in the spine of the team. Its our only chance. And if ashley leaves us when we get relegated the club will go belly up. Believe me we need 3 signings and if old man carr messes up (again) we are goosed

  • 19 The overrated Frenchman // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    Playing Yoan Gouffran as a defensive midfielder against the best team in the league, for me, sums up everything that’s wrong. Charnley and Carr should have never been trusted to put together a squad that allows something like that to eventuate, and McClaren is culpable because it was simply a ridiculous decision. Come January, the horse (the one supposedly to be attached to the cart) will have bolted. The players needed to turn this disaster around won’t be available. They never are. One day, someone will write a thesis on how to mis-manage a Premier League club, based on the Mike Ashley/Newcastle United experience.

  • 20 cyprus // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:05 AM

    I get you and the analogy. But how do you know what motivates him? How much money has he made from this club? How much actual value has been added to SD by the stadium exposure and the owner derision? I mean he could do that to a stadium for peanuts, from 4 to 10 million a year AND at a successful no hustle club.

    I wish it were as simple as you state it mate, I’d agree wholeheartedly. I don’t care about these people at all from top to bottom. I care about my team ONLY.

  • 21 SUTTY1978 // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:05 AM

    JB, just made me think of that Fawlty Towers scene where Basil beats the car with a branch, but with McClaren in place of the car!

  • 22 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:06 AM


    We’ve been calling for those three players for years mate and we got Thauvin.

    Mitrovic and Perez have more passion and fight than the rest of the squad combined and I don’t think how big an impact Colo receiving his new beal and captains armband has had

  • 23 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:11 AM


    He’s a self made billionaire, it’s pretty obvious what motivates him as it sure as he’ll isn’t NUFC. He doesn’t care about this club as long as it’s in the EPL as he has no ties to us, he’s not from the area, he’s not a fan, we are a business to him and as long as there is money to be made he will be here unless someone out there meets his asking price and it’s been what, nine years now and no one has come forward

  • 24 Bambams // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:15 AM

    Re post. Ed too quick
    We need to be ruthless, we all have our favourite players, we all want the local lad to do well but it’s not working.
    Yesterday’s result what only a surprise in the fact we were shocking in the second half. Had the 6 goals been conceded 3 in first and 3 in second half we would not have been THAT surprised.
    ‘For me’ Sissoko, Colo, Gouffran, Obertan, Anita and even Krul are not good enough or ‘consistent enough ‘ for us to become a top 6 team.
    Our biggest problem is our owner, he has let morale become so depleted over the last few seasons a cloud is hanging over.
    He finally starts to spend money but the damage has already done. Once the opposition equalise or go ahead…heads drop – here we go again.
    Krul is probably the lad who suffers the most – I am not blaming him for our defeats.
    Unless we spend ‘what we have’ and bring in some top players in January we will be relegated.
    Who those players will be, I have no idea.
    I still want to give Mac a chance, I still think he will be a good manager/coach

  • 25 John Tudor // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:18 AM

    he could bring in messi and the like we will still go down

  • 26 Reyantoon // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:19 AM

    Wasn’t disappointed that much about yester’y.
    I predicted a defeate before the game,so no surprises there.But not heavily like that.
    Infact,felt very happy with our 1st HF perform’ce
    We scored another great goal and created some chances.But it wasn’t to be our day.Our biggest problem,which has been in the last 4 or 5 seasons,is panicking.When we concede goal,we completely lose our confidence,fighting spirit and mental strength,get ourselves disturbed easily.That has to be corrected.Hopefully,our season still can be turned around because we have some winnable games on paper,plus our last two games display is encouraging.Very happy for Mitrovic to score his first goal,nice one too.If he gets services like that,he can score more and more.We didn’t deserve to lose by that margin.Couple of easy mistakes and lack of concentration cost us,w/h hopefully can be corrected soon.

  • 27 Munster Mag // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:23 AM

    Jack i agree and respect your posts although probably not re pardew. Carr is a major problem at this club. He is choosing the gutless players and nobody can tell me he didnt have his fingers all over smc’s appointment. I notice the tyneside media have stopped banging on about his talent spotting these days. Surprise surprise!

  • 28 John Tudor // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:23 AM

    they need to remove the shite players out

  • 29 Rotonda heights // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:24 AM


    you say pardew is modest. I think I’ve heard it all now. AP, after mourinho, has to be the most arrogant man in football.

    what infuriates me is that with arguably better players at NUFC, AP never played the style with us ( apart from 2 successful 6 match periods playing 433, 2 years apart) that CP play now.

    On another point the so called British spine we apparently need is rubbish. Barton, Butt, owen, saylor + Given and Duff (ok not british) took us down last time.

    A proper captain, a 6ft+ monster as a midfield destroyer, a playmaker and super fast goal scoring striker would transform us.

    Wanyama, Mane, Tadic, Van Dijk and especially Pelle were awesome v Chelsea.

    Soto = a properly run club.
    NUFC = not fit for purpose.

  • 30 John Tudor // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:27 AM

    only purpose it is fit for is advertising his tacky crap

  • 31 Rotonda heights // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:33 AM

    over rated

    playing gouffran as a defensive CM is a damning indictment of selling Abeid and Kemen and holding on to a ”finished” Tiote.

    2 bright sparks sold for peanuts while the collective stench of the deadweight of willo, gouffran, and perma crocks saylor, marv, de jong etc, etc remains.

    Carr has really shown his destructive hand. An extremely poor old school manager in his time
    and now almost unopposedly able to pursue his own agenda like recruiting Thauvin and getting his pal SM the gig.

  • 32 John Tudor // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:35 AM

    rotten to the core
    stay away from shite

  • 33 Munster Mag // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:49 AM

    Rotunda u obviously didnt hear his post match interview where he passes the credit to his chairman for his work over three years. Pardew often gave credit to other teams and mgrs when we lost. Something fergie mourinho fat sam pulis wenger etc have never have the grace to do. And i didnt ask for a british spine by the way.i asked for 3 winners

  • 34 Munster Mag // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:52 AM

    Rotunda i agree re carr and abeid. Carr charnley and colo are running the gaff. Crazy stuff.

  • 35 cyprus // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:54 AM

    I’m not blaming SM only. I’m blaming MA for hiring these people and not providing more of his millions. The Director for not running the club as he should. Steve and coaches who can get them to play for say 45 but not 90′. The psychologis for loving his track suit and walking on the pitch but not inspiring anyone but himself. The young prodigy who’s learning the job. The scout for not scouting. etc. It’s a long list, will not repeat this stuff again 🙂

  • 36 Munster Mag // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:55 AM

    Gouffy sums up the club and carrs choices. Does theold man have a french mistress? As for someone bemoaning santon, please come off the drugs.

  • 37 Jail for Ashley // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:57 AM

    Could you elaborate on your thinking that if Ashley leaves we’ll go belly up !

  • 38 Jib // Oct 4, 2015 at 10:59 AM

    Hey pompous French git

    Don’t worry man

    Shit eventuates – Ha ha ha

    So far up your own ass you’re talking through yer navel

    Ha ha ha

  • 39 kakaobi // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    Pardew has gone that’s in the past whether you wanted him out or not but the club should have brought in a better manger a step up from Pardew not 10 steps back with a sacked championship manager this is why we’ll get nowhere. We have made a couple of good signings and some bloody awful ones too a decent manager would have got the best out of them top and bottom Macclaren is not the answer he’s not a premiership manager he’s not even championship class he got it because it was a job for a mate

  • 40 Jib // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:05 AM

    By gum
    We get pummelled by a team of international superstars assembled for more than the wildest dreams of avarice and the blog goes into melt down
    When THIS happened , guess what , the next season they won the league. Some of the big gobs on here need to grow a set.

  • 41 Transfer Sage // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    I agree with everything people are asking for.

    We need some quality players in key positions, depth as well. We need a better class of manager and people on the board who know football. We need to start adding proven players to the squad. We need to consider how much say Carr has and if he should have any at all.

    However these are the same recurring problems that occur under ashley. Each time they are addressed we buy or sign worse people in those positions, things don’t improve.

    We need change at the top otherwise we won’t see improvement as the same mistakes continue to be made.

  • 42 hibbit // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    kalaobi,,,,,,,totally agree Pardue’s has gone lets move on but one thing needs to be said…he was a sacked championship manager also …….there the only ones that will take the job with this owner and his rules…… a top manager wont work with there hands tied and no say in the buying and selling

  • 43 Transfer Sage // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:13 AM


    It’s the same every year though. We collapse.

    If it was a one off it would be forgiven but it’s every single year and against teams of all levels, not just Man City. We have 3 points from 8 games, it’s shocking. We ship goals and don’t look a great threat often.

  • 44 kakaobi // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:14 AM

    And losing to the world class players of Watford and Swansea means we shouldn’t panic

  • 45 toonking // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:15 AM


    You call them arrogent managers, watch the press conference wenger did on friday then you’ll see who is really the most arrogent person in football.

  • 46 Jib // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:23 AM

    Transfer Sage
    You are right of course
    However it was the same on Friday as today but people are posting as if it has just hit them that at the moment we are poor.
    We’re a work in progress
    One of SM’s favourite sayings is 3 steps forward one step back – yesterday was a set back . no more , no less , certainly not the end of life as we know it Jim , as some doom mongers would have it.

  • 47 cyprus // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:24 AM

    disagree with you comment at 41. Replacing MA with _______ (please fill space with any eligible name you can think of) will fix everything and make us a winning side how?

    If you find a name congrats. Great Then? Well, hire all those positions you mention right? No, I think in this sport you depend less on loyalty than SD or other businesses… which is an excellent mgmt principle, btw.

    BUT football is different. People know it’s a short haul, for all involved money rules. Hire people on short term annual contracts or easy to release. If they prove themselves, give them another year, etc. If they don’t hack it, show them the door.

  • 48 cyprus // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:24 AM


  • 49 hibbit // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:25 AM

    watford have something we dont have a work ethic which includes playing as a team and working for each other they also have leaders on the pitch maybe not the best but they give there best

  • 50 Sir Braveheart // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:26 AM

    What I think we’re crying out for is the likes of a Nolan or a Barton (I’d take Warren or Joey at this point). I don’t care about the quality, the potential or the pedigree, let’s have some bloody scrappers in there. People who are going to lead, to be vocal and who are going to hold the team together.

    Ability wise Nolan and Joey Barton are no better than what we have, but if both had been in our starting line up yesterday do you imagine we’d have collapsed so spectacularly?

    The team is being put together like a kid playing Fifa. It’s all about individual ability, no focus on creating a team, with leadership and cohesion. I don’t think that will change until the players are being chosen by the manager and not by the scout.

  • 51 cyprus // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:27 AM

    If Steve, scout and team were the wrong decision, it should not be hard to fire them. Everyone talks of Ashley the common denominator, but there are others.

    Carr crash anyone?

  • 52 Munster Mag // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:27 AM

    Toonking i totally agree and have said same many times. Jail if we get relegated and ashley takes his loan back and we sell our dross carr players at a loss and lose the tv revenue then yes we are in serious shit.

  • 53 Transfer Sage // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:28 AM


    I can’t give you a or guarantee. However when you want to sell your company you use the recognised techniques and hire people to find buyers. I can’t do that, Ashley could if he wanted.

    We might get worse or better, but I’d rather take a gamble than be stuck with this moron.

  • 54 Jail for Ashley // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:34 AM

    It is apparent that Carr has too much say in our set up, much more than a conference league manager deserves, I’d also like Collocini back in deepest darkest Patagonia and the less said about the Wal?y with the brolly the better, but to lay the blame at them three is short sightedness at his utmost worst !

  • 55 toon kk // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    We can only blame the club for its flawed regime long term, but it’s happened so we have to take a look at Carr and his poor scouting but he would have his restrictions. So we have to look at the players, which most simply aren’t good enough, then there’s players who are capable of much more but don’t give a fk.

    we have MA who will get his deserves when we go down, and we will, its been coming for years.

    Then we have devoted fans who’ve for what ever reason let Mash take advantage of them and let Mash destroy the club by filling SJP and willingly watch dross for years.

    Total mess.

  • 56 Mister Tuff // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    Jib Jiberrish you’ve just said ;- “One of SM’s favourite sayings is 3 steps forward one step back”.

    How do you know this -can you provide a source/evidence.

  • 57 Tinman // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    Did we learn anything?

  • 58 Tinman // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:44 AM

    We were great in the first half. Why did we try to go toe to toe with them…

  • 59 scout // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:48 AM

    Why slate Ashley look at that sqaud. There is enough there to not be sitting bottom. Dont blame Ashley he just spent 50 million ffs.

  • 60 Jib // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:48 AM

    Mr Tuff
    If you subscribed to NUFCtv you would hear Supermac say it in virtually every interview.

    I realise that £40 per annum is hard to find when you are on benefit , so you’ll just have to take my word for it.

  • 61 scout // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:49 AM

    The problem is SM thinks Colo is the best defender we have. Thats very worrying, two games to save his job imo. Lose them two he’s gone.

  • 62 scout // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:50 AM


    A low blow that son, grow up

  • 63 hibbit // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:53 AM

    jail ……….what does bobby moncur bring to the table……maybe he gets the taxi’s for the club can’t think of any thing else he could do ……… just another YES man

  • 64 OneAlanShearer // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:57 AM

    For pity sake.

    We just faced arguably one of the best front 4’s in the world. We bossed the first half but didn’t take all our chances. They bossed the 2nd half and did take all there chances. There side are between 20 – 100 million per player ours are about 1 to 15 million per player.

    Mcclaren is a good coach juat like pardew was and is.

    We should have invested 100 million not 50 million in the summer and sorted out the defence and defensive midfield/playmaker. We didn’t. As usual we left ourselves short and with the majority of a defense that leaks about 2 goals a game or more.

    The problem is not Carr. He was looking for players on a budget and Mcclaren is working with those players. Wijnaldum Mbemba and mitrovic are class players. Perez is also class.

    We are missing key players to balance the side. It’s not about numbers it’s about quality.

    Chelsea confidence was built from the back. Their defence lost confidence after Swansea ripped them to bits. That spread to the whole side. Our defence is weak especially Colo. With 2 average at best defensive midfielders in front of it who can’t pass forward either the pressure is always on it. Our only defence is attack and keeping it up the other end of the pitch.

    As slow as he is I’d bring in nolan and stick him in front of the defence as captain. We lack a leader on the pitch. Colo is no captain he doesn’t even talk. It’s desperate stuff but I’d do it until January until we can rectify the issues.

    The same people saying Mcclaren is the problem probably think Mourinho is as well. No I’m not saying he’s as good. It’s all relative.

  • 65 toonking // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:59 AM

    I am totally annoyed with this squad containing it’s high number of youty, injury prone and mercineries but This season i might as well accept because this summer transfer window was never going to be enough to make up for them 3 season which saw us bring just 1 unforced transfer. The europa league season we might have spent cash in january but had we been mid table how many of them would have been bought as seen the following season when january only had the remy loan signing. Last summer’s signing were themselve panic buys more than standard buys because we the same can be said about last season’s summer transfer window when we had to panic buy player again knowing we’ve seen the squad decline.

    Every week into this season seems to give us a more indepth at the damage we’ve seen done during the ashley era. We’ll always know ashley himself is the villian in this circus but saying “it’s ashleys fault” becomes boring after a while and as we want to still have more varied opinions we’re going indepth as to what these damages are and that itself is more or less a more indepth look at how poor our transfer policy has been.

  • 66 Blofal // Oct 4, 2015 at 11:59 AM

    Right now what is happening has nothing to do with the players bought in the last window. It’s the result of the neglect to invest by Ashley and Charnley in the 5 windows before that.

    Thauvin is the only one who hasn’t hit the ground running. The other 3 are amongst our best players.

    Against the best team in the league we had to play Gouffran (a striker/winger who hasn’t started since April because he is not good enough) as a Defensive Midfielder.

    We have a young unproven kid who is a CB/RB – and who was supposed to go out on loan to get experience – playing at LB.

    We have Anita – one of the most light weight midfielders in the league playing a holding role.

    We don’t even have a capable first team let alone a capable squad.

    And good luck convincing some of Europe’s best defenders to come to us in January. We will have to pay over the odds to get the talent we need which means we are only going to get mercenaries. Shades of QPR in that.

  • 67 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:02 PM

    If anyone doubts what Mike Ashley has actually gained through his ownership of Newcastle United, all you need to do is look at the share price of Sports Direct back when it was floated in 2007 – when Mike Ashley bought our club, compared to what it is now.

    For those who aren’t bothered to do their own research, on 2 March 2007 the price of Sports Direct shares were £2.76 per share. (He subsequently bought Newcastle United 2 months later).

    Shares in Sports Direct now stand at £7.56 per share. Shares in SD have previously been as high as £9.22

    While Mike Ashley’s association with Newcastle United cannot be seen as the only reason behind SD’s increased value but the free advertising and constant publicity attracted by his tenure at our club must be factored into it.

    Anyone claiming that Mike Ashley does not make money out of owning Newcastle United clearly hasn’t the foggiest of what they are talking about.

  • 68 Jib // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:02 PM

    As a very occasional poster you have tightly grasped the wrong end of the stick .
    Read my post again and tell me what the low blow is.

  • 69 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:02 PM

    TS…I do get what you are saying and what JB is advocating…I am not deaf, dumb or blind you know 🙂

    But if you are just going to lay it all on Ashley (and apparently Carr now)…and he is not going anywhere, then you are just between a rock and a hard place and we will never change anything and we will be bitching and moaning about the things on and on and on…again!

    I am not going to repeat myself I stated by opinion last night and this morning…and I actually think is makes a hell of a lot more sense than most I hear on here 😉

    …even though posters like BandB loves to twist it around to suit her own agenda (but I can take it…)

  • 70 Jail for Ashley // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:03 PM

    There is something deeply wrong with the club to be in our position after spending £50M , Pardew and Carver were not here when we got relegated and the cycle continues, they have just let it be known to the public what most of us knew all along, that they didn’t want to win anything, what type of loyalty or mentality does that instil. Can you blame Llambias or Churnley for implementing a transfer policy that has landed us with players like Sissoko,Tiote, Cisse and Colocini who simply don’t want to be here, there is one guy at the top who has tried to make his model of a successful tacky sports chain work at a football club.

  • 71 Jib // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:10 PM

    Your comments are laughable .

    If EPL stadium advertising was so crucial to the share price rising he would have SportsDirect all over the top 4 clubs stadiums.

    He does a trade off
    An interest free loan
    In exchange
    SD plastered all over the place.

    You don’t like that for whatever petty reason then lump it my friend.

  • 72 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:11 PM


    You’re right, advertising has no impact on consumer behaviour.

    Oh wait…

  • 73 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:13 PM

    At least Ian’s trolling was somewhat engaging.

  • 74 Jail for Ashley // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:14 PM

    The West Ham owners have outlined a srtuctured plan to pay off their debt, it seems our owner doesn’t want to do that, is it because the ream would suffer if we decreased the debt ???

  • 75 Jail for Ashley // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:15 PM


  • 76 Jib // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:18 PM

    West Ham owners debt is to GLC you buffoon.

  • 77 Average_Contents // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:20 PM

    Why interact with the wum? It serves no purpose whatsoever apart from justifying it’s existence in it’s one and only brain cell.

    Shockingly bad result yesterday. Thought we played really well first half and should of been 0-3 up before the break, instead we go in 1-1 then get smashed second half.

    The less said about that capitulation the better.

    Fat fcuk out!

  • 78 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:21 PM

    We’ve long past a point where it is even debatable whether Mike Ashley profits from his association with Newcastle United. We all know he does, if he didn’t he wouldn’t be anywhere near the club.

    Furthermore, if we are in a perpetual state of blaming the people whom Ashley appoints into positions of responsibility i.e. Charnley, Carr, Pardew, Carver, Steve Stone, McClaren, Steve Black (according to Cyrpus…) then when do we actually look at the man who is making these bloody appointments in the first place!

    Jesus wept, some people go round and round without taking a bigger picture view. Ashley is to blame, from multiple fronts – from appointing a scout with a remit to buy players solely on a re-sale basis, to appointing under-qualified coaches or not giving the managers we have the tools required to do a half-decent job.

    From whatever angle you look at it, the finger of blame points in one direction.

  • 79 calvinzolamakongo // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:23 PM

    We need to go all out in Jan 3 marquee signings candreva moutihno pato or agger demba defour all play for poor clubs sign em on loan/year contract they can use us as they wish just get the players in

  • 80 calvinzolamakongo // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:24 PM

    Forget the attacking players actually buy 2 cbs one with prem experience then Olay colo cdm

  • 81 Jail for Ashley // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:30 PM

    Buffoon ???
    Does it matter who the debt is to, they are trying to pay it off !

  • 82 Transfer Sage // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:33 PM

    Why are people defending yesterday by saying “we played one f the best sides around” or something like that.

    If that was a one off fair enough, but it happens all the time. We also get stuffed and outplayed off teams who are far from the best in the league. The league table doesn’t lie, we are rock bottom.


    Agree we could make changes and I understand your point. I just don’t think under ashley we ever will get the right guys, so how I see it there is no point saying lets get rid and get better, we won’t ever replace the likes of McClaren or Charnley with better people as long as he is in charge of the club.

  • 83 Ron Knee // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:33 PM

    Ashley has always been determined to buck the system and do things his way. Hence the unworkable business plan and maddening cronyism.

    Charmless, Carr and McClaren are the symptoms, not the cause.

  • 84 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:34 PM


    Ashley is the sole cause of our plight, but the likes of Carr and Charnley still need to be called on their ineptitude.

    It would be hard, bordering on the impossible to get Ashley to sell up for multiple reasons but we have to increase the pressure on him to change his approach to the club as unless a billionaire comes along willing to buy the club it’s the only hope we have of anything changing

  • 85 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:36 PM

    There were people on here yesterday for SM to be sacked and the likes of Dyche or Poyet to be brought in

  • 86 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:37 PM

    Ron Knee

    I agree. I could look at the recruitment policy and blame Carr, Charnley. Or I could blame McClaren’s tactics et al but it’s pointless. It is Ashley’s fault. It has always been Ashley’s fault, and will continue to be Ashley’s fault until he leaves the club.

    That said, 52,000 will flock to our next home game so I’m not sure Ashley gives a shit.

  • 87 Ron Knee // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:39 PM

    I’m sure he doesn’t!

  • 88 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:39 PM


    Well I’m at the point where I’m not wasting my breath or energy throwing crap at the likes of Carr and Charnley – absolutely they deserve to be criticised for their association with Ashley – I made that point last night, however, some people criticise the likes of Carr, Charnley, the manager and the players as a way of avoiding levelling criticism at Ashley.

    Just because it’s seen as too hard doesn’t mean it’s not worth doing. Billionaires don’t need fans to convince them to buy a football club or not. I don’t know where some people have got this thought into their heads? Ludicrous.

  • 89 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:45 PM


    Ashley can continue to pay us lip service and come out and say he’s willing to sell, but as long there’s a profit to be had he’s gonna stay as long as he wants as he’s not a local lad, he has no ties to the club or area, he no fan it’s purely business to him and he’s ruthless in that regard and even if he could be forced to sell up there would have to be someone will to lay the better part of three hundred million for the club.

    Personally, I haven’t set foot inside the ground for a few years now and I won’t until the man is nothing but a bad memory but 52,000 continue to don their Wonga branded shirts and flock to the stadium so what pressure is he truly under to want to sell up?

  • 90 lochinvar // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:50 PM

    Did I really read this ?
    “We want to take that hurt and what we’ve done well and take that forward.

    What dross.
    What utter garbage.
    It’s from the Boys Book of “How to be seen to be a Modern caring Manager”
    Some people have lost the ability to be Men and deal with real issues……and run hiding behind luvvie speak .

    It’s so transparent , predictable and condescending it’s unbelievable.

    I doubt if Shankly, Ferguson or SBR ever hid behind such a cloak of excuses.

    Whatever next….the team will be having therapy and bonding sessions in the sauna on recovery breaks in the Maldives.

    Put more water on the stones Jeeves, that’s a good chap

  • 91 Mister Tuff // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:51 PM

    Jib Jibberish ( the blog pest) – as I thought -again you are just making things up.
    You seem to be firing off the insults early today – clearly the cheap cider is already taking effect.

    Proper Toon supporter would know there is only one Supermac – and it’s not Wally.

  • 92 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:51 PM

    JB @ #84…just explained in very short the point I have been trying to make for years now;

    …it’s actually as simple ad that. If we don’t get this soon I fear when Ashley do sell up and we land a new owner, we could face the same problems and we will all be having the same discussions!

    And we will be non the wiser or equipped to handle the situation! We are as decided as they come!

    We all get Ashley is the cause! But what does it help to just focus on that and leave everyone else in a position with responsibility without well…responsibility!

    In what world do you do that?

  • 93 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:52 PM

    *decided = devided

  • 94 RUNAWAY777 // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:52 PM

    One monger know when he beat not like this shit manager nufc has no bottle to walk do the fans a favour and do one

  • 95 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:53 PM

    It’s as counter productive as it gets!

  • 96 welshgeordie9 // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:54 PM

    Wow, here’s a fact for, we have conceded the same amount of goals as Chelsea, so it’s not all bad.

  • 97 Transfer Sage // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:57 PM


    I think people do criticise the people you mention. But ultimately until Ashley is gone those same people will be in charge, will be different names but the same people.

  • 98 RUNAWAY777 // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:59 PM

    So goals conceded Theodore as Chelsea so your happy for f,,k sake it shit the team is shit

  • 99 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 12:59 PM


    The likes of Carr and Charnley are a major part of the problem with this club but those two problems are created, employed and supported buy Ashley.

    People are already calling for SM to be sacked but seem to overlook the fact that the people who employed him p, as well as Pardew, Wise and Kinnear(twice) will be the very people who would select SM’s replacement. Doing that will not fix the issue at the club it will simply shift the blame onto someone else.

    Its almost an impossible task getting Ashley to sell up as the vast majority of fans are stuck in the routine of turning up every Saturday and accepting what is happening with only a few making a stand so perhaps the only way forward is to focus on Carr and Charnley but we still have to apply as much pressure on Ashley as is possible as all bucks stop with him

  • 100 nufc 11 // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:01 PM

    Pavel s made a cracking point yesterday in the epl if just one team mate isn’t giving 100% you’ll come undone no matter who you play..No room for passengers we have team of players coming from leagues where you can get away with that kind of dross but not here and its showing big time. Players in the championship would die for their teams I doubt very much that our team even turn up on time for training. The club is rotten to the core .

  • 101 Rotonda heights // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:03 PM


    the british spine thing wasn’t directed at you.

    As for AP generally when we rarely did well it was all down to him even to the point of congratulating himself on signing players and when we mainly lost it was down to the players.

  • 102 Ron Knee // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:06 PM

    If we fail to do well against Norwich and SAFC I wouldn’t be surprised if McClaren resigned.

    Would that be a good thing? As you point out, only yes-men would be considered.

  • 103 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:09 PM

    JB…it’s what I have en trying to advocate (to you to TS 😉 ) for a long long time…I just feel like Sisyfos at times!

    Alot of people are too concerned about who is more to blame or who is the cause than actually getting somewhere…together!

  • 104 Tsunki // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:10 PM

    Having a devotion to the status quo is pathetic if the only reason you can think of for Ashley staying is that your opinion of this club is so low nobody else would take it on. And you can blame Charnley, carr etc all you like, but a new guy at the top would take care of all that rubbish by definition. As long as Ashley is in control, this is what we have to get used to.

  • 105 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:13 PM


    Replacing the manager will achieve nothing unless the approach and the system at the club changes.

    We cannot attracted a top class manager because of the way we are run and as a result we are stuck in this never ending cycle of failures.

  • 106 Tsunki // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:13 PM

    I see jeff can’t resist reverting to his former self, at this rate I give it another sound defeat and he will have to change persona again. Then he can start afresh insulting people

  • 107 Rotonda heights // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:13 PM

    One alan shearer at 64

    can you explain the home defeat to the SW reserve team. should be a belter.

  • 108 Ron Knee // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:16 PM

    Like Sisyphus in other words! Who mentioned him?

  • 109 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:16 PM


    A lot of it comes down to finding someone with the best part of three hundred million to buy the club, then another hundred million or so to start to put things right on and off the pitch, and to date no one has been willing to take us on

  • 110 welshgeordie9 // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    Did i say i was happy, no i didn’t.

  • 111 Tsunki // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    I think the blue sky parade don’t appreciate that we are all very well aware that city is a rich club with a powerful team, so defeat was highly likely. What they don’t get is that even so, you almost have to be playing on their side, helping them, to concede 5 goals in 15 minutes to one player.

  • 112 Tsunki // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:19 PM

    Jackbutler, that’s because Ashley doesn’t want or need to sell. If we become no longer lucrative, then the Gumtree ads will start.

  • 113 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:26 PM

    Watching Sky coverage of Merseyside derby reminds me in these troubled times that despite every woe at St James Park, at least we’re not scousers. Got to be grateful for being a Geordie.

  • 114 toon kk // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:31 PM

    The club is damaged goods, from MA, poor scouting of mainly sh.t players with no pace, players who either don’t care or aren’t fit.
    Evan fans who blamed Pardew but were to thick or ignorant to see our squad is useless.

    We need to go down to start over, the way the club is it simply doesn’t belong in the premier league. And p

  • 115 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:31 PM

    Seven British players in the Everton starting 11, not often you see that these days

  • 116 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:36 PM

    The scum have lost their manager lol

  • 117 Ron Knee // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:38 PM

    Who will be the second?

  • 118 toonking // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:40 PM

    the news has been confirmed the first manager has now gone sadly f.or RH it isn’t mac it’s dick advocat

  • 119 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:41 PM


    Could very well be SM, but Rogers is on very shaky ground so is Jose

  • 120 bladeuser // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:44 PM

    B and B
    Also going to watch Liverpool Everton
    First of all there is nothing wrong with scourers what u on about I know plenty of Geordies who r complete tossers every city has them I was born here but grateful what the F@@@ is that about
    Now I would b grateful if we had half the team that Liverpool have had for the last 30 years we r not even on the same planet as them when it matters in the epl today both these teams would tear us a mew one
    Nufc r rotten to the core owner manager players even the boring F@@@@@ music
    The sooner this club is relegated cannot come quicker then the parasite owner might sell up and we can start again relegation is the only way he would think of leaving ifhe did,nt then as of now we r F@@:@@

  • 121 Ron Knee // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:44 PM

    Rogers’ team don’t look too bad at the moment.

  • 122 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:45 PM

    @ChelseaFC: There is an announcement on the way at around 2.30pm today on

  • 123 toon kk // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:45 PM

    Soon Macca will realise he’s also fighting a loosing battle.
    Pardew knew that but was daft enough to be a yes man.

  • 124 JackButler // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:46 PM


    They are looking good, but the fans are far from happy with him

  • 125 toonking // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:47 PM


    I think rodgers will be next in line for the sack especially if everton were to win today, morineo might well get the sack himself he’s said it’s only tat which will see him leave and mac I’d say is safe because ashley just does know who would come in.

  • 126 mindshaft // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:49 PM

    Difficult to see where we go from here, we looked decent in the first half but individual errors led to the first 3 goals and we were down and out after that …. luckily city took aguero off and their foot off the gas or it could have been double figures
    Dont think any of the team can look in the mirror this morning and say they earnt their wages after that capitulation
    Mbemba went from world class to non league class , Collo really needs to go as he’s not commanding the back line at all and as captain it’s his friggin job
    Players were hanging on to the ball (perez especially ) when an easy pass was on
    all in all a shambolic 2nd half display
    At this rate we’ll be relegated by Xmas, we’re already 5 points adrift and it’s difficult to see us going on a run of wins this time around

  • 127 isleofmanman // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:50 PM

    Well he would put a spin on this – because the second half performance illustrates a MANAGEMENT PROBLEM

    Clearly there was no contingency in place for the players to deal with Navas (or whoever) being brought on to exploit the right wing

    We do have some talented youngsters – but what chance do they have when the real MANAGEMENT PROBLEM is bag carrying Lee Charnley…He sits in Big Daddy’s pocket with a fat salary and is incapable of buying us a first class central defence

  • 128 Rotonda heights // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:52 PM


    sadly for a lot of people as with SM I think we are nailed on for relegation.

    This club is too dumb to go in a new direction so even if SM goes we’ll get another deadbeat Brit manager, as those in charge are so afraid of change.

  • 129 Ron Knee // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:53 PM

    I think Ashley will let McClaren have the job for as long as SM wants it. But how long will that be?

  • 130 toonking // Oct 4, 2015 at 1:54 PM

    you want foreign managers well theres always dick advocat now

  • 131 Rotonda heights // Oct 4, 2015 at 2:00 PM


    mate don’t call fellow fans thick and ignorant.

    other teams have far less resources than us but have way better management in place.

    we’ve got nearly half the current dutch national team and previously half the french one.

    we just keep picking defensive long ball brit managers

    good managers make players play. we picked another rnanager whose losing run is threatening carver’s record.

  • 132 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 4, 2015 at 2:02 PM

    You clearly have no idea what I’m on about snd will never understand. Don’t worry your pretty head about it.

    But as s starter for 10, the accent is bloody awful. How would you like to talk like that all your life and have to listen to everyone around you talking like that? No thanks fella.

  • 133 Rotonda heights // Oct 4, 2015 at 2:03 PM


    i wanted tuchel or similar, ie up and coming and progressive

    if we have to go british why not clement or howe, why always retrogade steps to souness, allardyce, AP and SM.

  • 134 toonking // Oct 4, 2015 at 2:03 PM


    it’s not that the club is too dumb mate it’s the fact he’s caused all the damage, they know we’re selling the best, they know we’re giving the merc like colo new contracts, they know it’s going to be total random as to which players come, you name it they know it and so it’s totally pointless coming to this club when you’ve got more and more clubs showing the signs every year or already in a top class club.

  • 135 toonking // Oct 4, 2015 at 2:04 PM

    by he i do mean ashley of course

  • 136 Our Toon // Oct 4, 2015 at 2:10 PM

    Lads it doesn’t matter who the manager is at the moment because we have a really soft centre in the team and that’s in DM and at CB.

    I keep reading daft comments like buy proven premier league players yet if I asked those making such daft comments would you take Payet and the former celtic cb who now plays for Southampton you’d all jump on it and say yes.

    Proven premier league player means nothing, you can be a success at one club and a failure at another, those calling for British players we got relegated with more British lads in the team last time round. English football is on its arse because of fans like yous including Greg Dyke who want more English / British lads to play. No coincidence that the standard of the prem has dropped massively since the introduction of HG quota!!

    Yesterday’s game would have been so different if that 2nd goal wasn’t disallowed!!

  • 137 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Oct 4, 2015 at 2:11 PM

    Are you there – did you take heed of my posting yesterday morning and get your bet put on yesterday on Advocaat leaving after the West Ham game. The second part of the rumour was that Dyche was lined up to take over.

    May be the Mackems think that getting a new manager before they play the TOON is another 3 points

  • 138 Ron Knee // Oct 4, 2015 at 2:18 PM

    That one was from the NUFC school of defending.

  • 139 Novocastrian66 // Oct 4, 2015 at 2:34 PM

    Will if we include the league cup, McClaren has had his 10 games and we’re no better off than last season. Sissoko has to be left out. What’s going on with Tiote? We should know. How can Gouffran get in ahead of him in centre of midfield?
    I cannot see were we will get 10 wins this season. Every team I have watched this series is better than us.

  • 140 Jib // Oct 4, 2015 at 2:37 PM


    Sorry been watching the Mersey derby.

    I called into a betting shop in Leeds on the way to the Etihad and the lass was going to give me 5 to 1 , but she heard my accent and said “your’e from up there aren’t you ?”
    I says “well Newcastle”
    Then she refused to take the bet.
    We were parked on yellow lines so I didn’t make an issue of it.

  • 141 toonking // Oct 4, 2015 at 2:41 PM


    proven premier league players is one thing but prove confidence builders is another, we saw it happen again yesterday when city went from a 1-1 draw to 6-1 in a matter of just 15 minutes, we should also have lost against chelsea the week before against sheff wed the players acted like a buch of uncaring players. When bring in these youngster from abroad the problem still remains of who exactly we can build the team around because the current batch are crap and the newbies are just that newbies therefore too much of an expectation will give pressure. Non of these thingwould be getting ranted if ashley had the sense to do transfers on a consistant basis but he didn’t therefore we’ve ended up the XP coming from just an aging, merc like player or just crap to begin with whilst those who’d just arrived are total newbies.

    What team with passion would go from 1-1 to 6-1 in just a matter of 15 mins what team with passion and spirit would show the display like that of our team v sheff wed?

  • 142 jane // Oct 4, 2015 at 2:43 PM

    “The sooner this club is relegated cannot come quicker”

    bladeuser do you hope we lose every match, celebrate when the opposition scores and not when we score? your loyalty is questionable and you sound obnoxious.

  • 143 Moonraker15 // Oct 4, 2015 at 3:33 PM

    Seems like every time we play the Mackems they have a new manager which gives them a temporary lift.

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