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If Newcastle Players Don´t Toughen Up – It´s Bad News

2:37 pm, Monday, October 5th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 152 Comments

What has been apparent as much as anything this season is our players are not mentally tough – when we conceded a goal there´s not a reaction and it´s almost like it was in the relegation season when once we went down too many players assumed we would lose the game and we lost a lot of games that season (18).

Our squad was a decent squad in 2008-2009 and at the time the wage bill at Newcastle was the 6th highest in the Premier League but we still went down and we were struggling with relegation almost from the start of the season.

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Aleksandar Mitrovic scoring his first goal on Saturday

We got 4 points from the first two games,  but then we lost five games in a row in all competitions (four in the league) after Kevin Keegan left the club in early September.

After 8 league games we had one win and three draws for 6 points – which is three points more than we have at the moment – but we do have some good players in the squad this season.

It´s also good to put the pressure on players now to show some guts and fight when things are not going well too many of our players hang their heads – and that’s what happened on Saturday at the Etihad.

Steve McClaren was asked if he had enough fighters in the side:

“Very well put. In the last 12 to 18 months that has been the problem at this football club.” “We’re here to turn that around and we’re going to do whatever it takes to turn that around, and you’re absolutely right – that is a difficult job. That is a tough job to do.”

“But we’ll do it. We’re determined to do it and get back to work on Monday.” “As you say, this is not just happening now. This has been happening for 18 months. We have to turn it around.”

“They’re going to have to start getting the right mentality, otherwise we’re in the fight for the rest of the season.” “We’ve just got to have some consistency and we have to deal with setbacks a little bit better than presently.

“As you say it’s something in the history and we knew it would be hard to turn around.”

With Mitrovic and Perez looking good up front that should take some pressure off the team as we become a threat up front.

That was missing while Aleksandar was out for his three match ban – so we do expect the lads to start putting up some good results on the board.

We hope the lads  start putting up some good results on the board.

But the reality is that if our players keep giving up this could be another terrible season for Newcastle and then we´ll have to depend on some good new players coming into
Newcastle during the January transfer window.

But we expect our lads to start fighting in the upcoming games.

Sun 18	16:00	H	Norwich City			
Sun 25	12:00	A	Sunderland			
Sat 31	15:00	H	Stoke City				
Sat 07	12:45	A	Bournemouth				
Sat 21	15:00	H	Leicester City				
Sat 28	15:00	A	Crystal Palace				
Sat 05	15:00	H	Liverpool				
Sat 12	15:00	A	Tottenham				
Sat 19	15:00	H	Aston Villa				
Sat 26	15:00	H	Everton	 			
Mon 28	15:00	A	WBA	 

What do you think?

Comments welcome.

Tags: Interview · Newcastle News · Premier League · Press

152 responses so far ↓

  • 1 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:40 PM

    we expect our lads to start fighting in the upcoming games.
    ala bowyer and dyer

  • 2 Mag52 // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:47 PM

    For me, the big test for Macca is how well he comes out of the upcoming derby v the Scum.
    Lose that one, and the knives really will be out for him.

  • 3 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:49 PM

    for me he has to show some balls and drop the turds

  • 4 The Newcastle Armchair // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:51 PM

    Problem is, Macca comes across as the type of manager who won’t shout at the players in a hairdryer type way to fire them up.

    He seems like the guy who tries to calmly encourage them even when they’ve played shyte.

  • 5 The Newcastle Armchair // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:53 PM

    Unless his post match interviews are a facade and he really is the Ferguson/Phil Brown type.

  • 6 toon kk // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:55 PM

    if you were manager and had a sh.t squad how would you make them better? Years of poor buys will take years to put right, unfortunately I don’t think we’ll have the time.
    Macca can’t wave a wand, we have the worst team in the premier league so what can he do?

  • 7 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:57 PM

    irrespective of what he has or was promised he took ashley s shilling and its his job to drop the shyte players and mold a team to perform which he has not

  • 8 toon kk // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:58 PM

    The Newcastle
    I agree with you there, Macca doesn’t seem like the type to give them a good bollocking when required.

  • 9 The Newcastle Armchair // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:00 PM

    Has anyone ever saw Glengarry Glen Ross before?

    Our players need that Alec Baldwin speech driven into them!

  • 10 hibbit // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:06 PM

    simson is the enforcer ……..its all a pr act with Mc cool calm and collected just another gob shite trying to pull the wool over our eyes till he takes us down well i think he’s been found out big time just not good enough

  • 11 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:06 PM

    What worries me is Steves ending with Derby.

    He showed that given the right tools he can do a job (whatever that job is / was is another discussion), but Derby nosedived. Why?

    Was it Steves experience that he talks so much about?

    I understand they got injuries to key players, well, that seems a given for any NUFC manager.

    He didn’t have the answers then, it seems, so how or why is he expected to have them here, at honestly, a higher profile and pressured job than Derby.

  • 12 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:11 PM

    fire the sorry loosing bitches

  • 13 ilovetoon8788 // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:21 PM

    I think we’ll be relegated with about 20points onboard.

  • 14 The Newcastle Armchair // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:25 PM

    I think Steve’s second half of the season last year was down to a number of things – one being obviously that we contacted him halfway through the season and that even though he rejected us, he must have had his fancy tickled (who wouldn’t want to take the Newcastle job being a division lower) but obviously wanted to see what he could do with Derby.

    It obviously played on his mind because we must have given assurances to him that we would pursue him further until the end of the season, hence the caretaker Carver appointment. Once the key injuries hit at Derby, he must have lost the motivation and once one defeat settled in, their noses turned for the worse.

    Hiring him was obviously a big risk, but my guess is that once Mashers heard ‘ex-England manager, Dutch title winner’, given the lesser knowledge of football he has, must have given the green light for Carr to hire his mate. Ashley’s last say on the board, now out the limelight and all problems deflected from his doorstep, job done.

  • 15 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:27 PM

    if they dont toughen up?
    i thought the recruitment policy was based on a the right attitude and mental toughness
    utter garbage thats what happens when cretins run football clubs
    give them guff and theyll still roll up

  • 16 martoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:29 PM

    toon kk @6 – That’s the thing – I don’t think we do have the worst squad in the premiership probably about mid-table I would say. The problem is we are playing like the worst squad in the premiership 🙁

  • 17 hibbit // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:29 PM

    ilovetoon………be lucky if its that many

  • 18 Bambams // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:30 PM

    Neck on the line time…
    I think we will be bottom five to bottom eight but we will only survive ‘IF’ we spend major money on a creative international play maker AND get both Matip and Austin or similar.
    Van Dijk is doing very well I see….
    Charnley knows he has to deliver

  • 19 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:32 PM

    macca shot himself in the foot by backing colo and effectively making him undroppable without looking like a divvy so soon into nufc career,colo is just part of the problem tho,these players have no fear of putting in a bad performance,there heads drop without any fear of backwash from the captain,the coachs or anyone but the fans who they are not interested in fighting for so why listen to them?…..macca has to change something quick..install some fear,some aggression make the players at leastwork for 90 mins regardless of the result would be a beginning….the scum and liverpool have already realised that time is short to change things

  • 20 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:32 PM

    charmless cant deliver the morning papers

  • 21 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:34 PM

    even even.

  • 22 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:35 PM

    Newcastle Armchair…Possibly a fair assesment, but is that not worrying when you consider the task he has at Newcastle?

    Especially when all he talks about is his experience.

    I truly do wish him well, I also don’t hold him responsible for where we are. I just question whether he is the man to take on the task at hand.

  • 23 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:37 PM

    its ok sayin invest heavily but if we are in a poor position no decent player will want to come…..these matches comin up are so important not just for points,table position but also recruitment in january

  • 24 hibbit // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:37 PM

    bambams……charnley does not give two hoots what we think as long as the boss is happy he’s happy……………deliver what 17th in the prem…. great ashley will be pleased

  • 25 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:40 PM

    on current form ashley is not going to be happy then coz 17th may as well be a champions league place!!

  • 26 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:43 PM

    “If Newcastle Players Don´t Toughen Up – It´s Bad News”

    I think its a bit too late for that now….Its bad news now Ed….let’s not kid here.

  • 27 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:45 PM

    I still cant believe Gouffran played in centre mid in that last game!

    Who will play left back in the next game? Mbabu is injured is Dummett or Haidara available?

    I would like Dummett back he is a really good defender forget about going forward just defend !!

    I think Tiote will have to start the next game not ideal but he has 2 weeks training to get up to speed even though he is shite but at least he puts tackles in !

  • 28 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:46 PM

    The Newcastle Armchair

    Exactly that!!!!!

  • 29 hibbit // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:47 PM

    springy……ash will be happy if we stay in the prem its bullshit he is bothered were in the prem just in it thats all that matters to him

  • 30 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:47 PM

    Mbabu injured….ow dear the Newcastle fitness team strikes again.

  • 31 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:51 PM

    7 weeks we are fcuked

  • 32 barkel // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:53 PM

    The worst thing looking at those fixtures is that I would have used to think we could win them all! I think realistically we should be expecting to be around the 20-23 point mark come the end of the year, that would average out to 46points and a finish somewhere between 10th-16th. Probably somewhat optimistic given our form for the past 12months but I do love my Toon-tinted glasses!

  • 33 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:56 PM

    is mbabu out for 7 weeks?
    dummet and haidara still out for 2-3weeks i believe

  • 34 toon kk // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:56 PM

    we only have about six players who are premier league quality the rest are a waste of space, its not long since people thought we had strength in depth.
    There’s no one to fall back on when injuries or suspensions set in.
    strange thing is some still think we have a good team.

  • 35 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 3:58 PM

    cant see gettin that many points but hope im bloody proved wrong!!

  • 36 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 4:01 PM

    maybe thats why they stepped that young left back up from the reserves just before the the man city game,seems very coincidental that they do that then mbabu gets injured…makes me wonder if mbabu felt it during training last week and brought him in as cover?

  • 37 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 4:13 PM

    looks like injurys
    18th oct
    rivierre(may need another op)
    dec 15th
    s taylor
    no date
    k darlow
    mbabu needs scan ..looking likely to be several weeks

  • 38 toon-to-win // Oct 5, 2015 at 4:24 PM




    Just to clarify this is not my starting 11 for the next game! Think this list are the players that need to be shipped out fast. The likes of obertan, Anita etc should be our squad players and obviously some quality brought in to expan the then depleted squad and improve it dramatically! I would take Austin for all the above so if imagine Austin would cost around £8-10m in Jan so if we got £10m for that lot it say it’s good business!!

  • 39 hibbit // Oct 5, 2015 at 4:26 PM

    springy………..same could be said about colbeck was touch and go all week for the chelsea game but had to play him now out for 3/4 weeks………goofy anyone

  • 40 The Newcastle Armchair // Oct 5, 2015 at 4:38 PM


    It is very worrying, but I, like you know that Ashley is a gambling man, and would much rather take a punt on a cheap ‘experienced’ (when was he last in the prem?) manager.

    Someone pointed out today that Macca was his hope to guaranteeing mid-table for years to come, but unless he has a vice-versa season here where the first half is poor, but the second half is more wins, then I’m afraid Ashley has been put into checkmate.

  • 41 bladeuser // Oct 5, 2015 at 4:43 PM

    sack him now before it is to late life’s tough I am sure he will get over it

  • 42 toon kk // Oct 5, 2015 at 4:45 PM

    Premier league quality we have
    mirovic, but still has a lot to prove.
    SDJ, needs playing time, lacks pace badly
    Aarons, has potential
    Perez, has class.
    Sissoko, but he doesn’t want to play for us.
    krul, decent. .
    The rest are not prem quality but some would be decent in the championship.

  • 43 Reyantoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 4:47 PM

    Coloccini is still our best defender from the squad we have.If you think dropping him and pairing others will strengthen better the central defense,you should think again.He lacks leadership qualities but still is the best ball playing defender we have with better experience.It wasn’t his fault that we lost matches.The entire squad is hit with low confidence and losing mentality.In this kind of circumstances,only wins can develop the players confidence and self belief.
    The midfield is our weakest link.That is the position we usually get exposed.We need Tiote back the sooner the better.
    He atleast can hold the ball well and organize the midfield,with better physical strength.Anita is doing ok so far but wasn’t enough.
    We indeed played well in some of our matches but without end result,it has less value.SM and co need to find ways to win games,starting next week or two.
    For the moment,will accept the “our season will start in two weeks ” talks and hoping to see better and positive things after the break!!

  • 44 lochinvar // Oct 5, 2015 at 4:52 PM

    Chelsea say that will stick with Moanrinio so that leaves Klippity to join the scousers but he needs to realise that they don’t have the quality of players he thinks they have.
    So if the Maclems sign up on one of those listed below that still leaves what they don’t take along with Ancellotti, Klilnsman and Viera – perhaps we should go for all three !

    Sunderland are considering Real Sociedad manager David Moyes as they look for Dick Advocaat’s successor but he is not near the top of their list.
    The 19th-placed Black Cats want a wide range of options to replace the Dutchman, who quit on Sunday.
    They are hoping to name a new boss before their next Premier League game at West Brom on 17 October.
    Available pair Sam Allardyce and Nigel Pearson and Burnley manager Sean Dyche are leading the bookmakers’ odds.

  • 45 hibbit // Oct 5, 2015 at 4:56 PM

    reyantoon……………colo is our captain yet he never opens his mouth he has to take more blame/responsibility then others or stand down……. if he is our best defender no wonder were in the position were in

  • 46 welshgeordie9 // Oct 5, 2015 at 4:57 PM

    Mcclaren Out
    Ashley Out
    Welshgeordie9 In
    The True Geordie In

  • 47 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 4:57 PM


    The club is reported as having said it extended Colo’s contract rather than selling him because it could not get another defender within its price range.
    I doubt that was McClaren’s decision.
    Whether he had a choice to replace him as captain is something we will probably never know, but once he was confirmed as captain he was going to be first name of the team-sheet.
    It find it odd that they couldn’t stretch the budget a little in August if they have a £50m pot they intend to spend in January.

  • 48 lesh // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:00 PM


    I agree with you about McCl not being one to bollock the lads but that’s exactly what we need – when it’s required. We need a dressing room that’s fired up, raring to go, raring to win. But, who’s there to do the inspiring?

  • 49 lesh // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:03 PM


    Stretching the budget shouldn’t be a problem. But, with Charnley it seems to be wouldn’t rather than couldn’t do it.

  • 50 The Newcastle Armchair // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:03 PM


    Odds are, the club made the decision to keep Colo and Macca had no say in it. Remember him saying he wished he could spend the whole money now? Of course he would have replaced Colo if he had the choice.

  • 51 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:03 PM


    Not sure if I feel comfortable throwing a 17 year old in at left back against Redmond and then into the derby !

    But then an unfit Haidara and Dummett wont be ideal either!!

    Might need to bring back Ferguson …… oh dear !

  • 52 The Newcastle Armchair // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:06 PM

    Apparently Simpson is the one who will shout at the players, but think about it – which Premier league player would listen to him considering he was part of the team that got sacked from the Championship?

    Got to remember, our squad is full of prima donnas, what credentials does Simpson have in telling the lads what to do?

  • 53 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:11 PM

    i think most of our players will simply..”who is this simpson bloke…has he ever played top flight football?”…..thats the impression i get from the players nee respect

  • 54 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:16 PM

    I never thought I’d see the day when Newcastle United fans would argue that “our season hasn’t really started yet” just because we have had to play the top teams in the league early in the season.
    Well lots of other teams have played them, and they have been beaten. And I have news for you…we have to play them again.
    Perhaps we can have a little “close season” when that happens?

  • 55 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:18 PM

    if he’s good enough…he’s old enough only trying him will tell….erm lacking options otherwise!lol
    he still had the chance to change the captain tho…by all accounts he must of thought about it he “apparantly” asked the players who they want as captain which in itself is rediculous if true……he should’nt be asking anything of the players…..he should be telling them what he wants!!

  • 56 The Newcastle Armchair // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:19 PM


    Mate times are tough, I never thought I’d see the day I’d be contemplating whether we could manage a draw against Watford at home..

  • 57 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:24 PM


    Yup…write off eight games as dead rubbers, and presumably you have to write off the replays with the same excuse too…
    Sixteen games…half a season.

  • 58 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:25 PM

    i think its more about the realisation of how many points we could get against them sides who we actually struggled with last season…. look at the same games from last season it would be unrealistic to suddenly think we could get better results against them same teams with a poor pre-season and a few signings…..ganna take time

  • 59 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:31 PM

    might of been more confidence buildng if we’d had so called easier games and then we might of done better against the teams we’ve already played and lost against this season instead of the tough start we’ve had which has the confidence shot

  • 60 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:33 PM


    There’s not much evidence for the proposition that we will get stronger in the second half of the season while other teams get weaker.
    In fact, the evidence points to the contrary.
    And we aren’t just losing the good teams. We are losing to everyone, and some of the more direct and physical teams are likely to run straight through us or bomb us with high balls we struggle to defend.

  • 61 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    cant argue with you really,thought we’d have more points and better games watford especially and maybe better against swansea and west ham,but didnt expect much from city,chelsea, man utd,arsenal or southampton as we lost to most if not all of these teams last season

  • 62 Reyantoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:42 PM

    hibbit….you are not wrong entirely but will catch up tomorrow 🙂

  • 63 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:48 PM


    We have been in relegation form after Christmas for each of the past three seasons.
    We have survived by building up a cushion of eight to 10 points over the strugglers by Christmas.
    At the rate the strugglers pick up points, eight points is a huge cushion that takes months to erode. Which is why last season we had that big debate on the blog with folks saying “we are still tenth and folks are panicking about getting into a relegation scrap.”
    The problem is that if you are one of the strugglers you need a mighty run of form or have one of the teams above you implode to get out of trouble.
    There is already a gap opening at the bottom that will take months to close, unless we have a Pardew-style winning flush.

  • 64 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:55 PM

    thats why i believe we will struggle all season if we dont sort things out quick and start gettin points against norwich scum and stoke….but with the confidence so low its not as easy as we would like to think due to games we’ve had already this season……next four games are make or break for macca imho

  • 65 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 5, 2015 at 5:56 PM

    Good evening Ibiza mate…Sorry I had to run earlier so didn’t catch you 🙂

    …everything is great. I hope bikini bottom is treating you well?

  • 66 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 5, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    Spotted Lee Clark in Currys, Kingston Park today with his lass. He was looking sick as a chip. I hear he might be in for the Doncaster job. Good luck to him. Hope he gets another chance.

  • 67 Tsunki // Oct 5, 2015 at 6:18 PM

    Well despite the urging and berating of the Blue Sky Parade and the Brave New World pennant -wavers who with one hand offered us ‘ neggers’ help onto the ledge of optimism, while slapping us back down with the other, it appears that Charnley has collected basketsful of lovely eggs as he watches all his chickens come home to roost. Now as we have started the long approach to Christmas, with the traditional turkeys being prepared for consumption starting with the derby stuffing, the vegetables in the boardroom are unboxing their trusty crackers for us to pull on, Carroll-singing, and the reciting of the Twelve Points of Relegation (Mike Ashley gave to me.. .) ….’Tis the season to be jolly!

  • 68 Tsunki // Oct 5, 2015 at 6:22 PM

    Anyway, on topic, enough of this festive lark…

    The problem for Mike is his business requires it’s employees to be invertebrates. Hence shipping out the noisy players who were competitors and winners. Problem now is, spineless players are not that useful when you want to make sure you stay in the big money league. You get what you ask for.

  • 69 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 5, 2015 at 6:23 PM

    “The club is reported as having said it extended Colo’s contract rather than selling him because it could not get another defender within its price range.”
    I’m not sure what you mean by “The club is reported as having said …”? If the club reported anything, what did it report exactly? If the club reported nothing, who reported what?

    It seems highly unlikely that the club would report something like that about a player.

  • 70 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 6:26 PM


    It’s reported by the Shields Gazette…I’m just reporting what was reported Blackley.
    Read it yourself and make your own mind up.

  • 71 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 5, 2015 at 6:29 PM

    Someone on BBC radio Newcastle making the point that Colo shouldn’t have been made captain. John Anderson reckons Colo demanded a new contract or a release. The club bent to it. He wouldn’t be a captain for Ando. He wouldn’t be on the payroll for me. I’m surprised more fans and pundits aren’t saying the same.

  • 72 Our Toon // Oct 5, 2015 at 6:42 PM

    Plenty of hatred toward sissoko yesterday for his dream of playing CL football one day, don’t see why so many fans were bothered by his comments. I’m sure one day you all want to work for the very best companies or want a promotion to get the very best you can for your career. It’s called career progression, yet a footballer gets slammed for wanting the very same thing!!

  • 73 croftus5678 // Oct 5, 2015 at 6:43 PM

    so….debuchy rb and janmaat rw ?

    sorted imo.

  • 74 beefman13 // Oct 5, 2015 at 6:43 PM

    It’s all about staying in the prem now, the great escape and listen to Mclaren boasting about pushing the club on, 8 games in and results and performances same as usual, gud games on paper?!?!coming up, if we can’t beat Norwich big probs, the makems with a new manager no doubt will be more than up for it.Mclaren will again be in the melting pot if we don’t get at least 4 points, I certainly won’t be betting on 6 points.

  • 75 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 5, 2015 at 6:47 PM

    I just wondered what the club is reported to have said. I’ve looked and can’t find it. I did find this comment from Makro however:

    “I wanted him here, and the senior group wanted him here. It was easy to sit him down and extend his contract. Hopefully, he’ll finish his career here.”

    Makro’s words. Is he lying? If he’s not lying, he’s demonstrating poor judgment. Just as Pardew did when at the start of the season he was looking at Europe when many of us were looking at the other end of the table.

  • 76 sing in the corner // Oct 5, 2015 at 6:55 PM

    Our Toon

    I think when you put Sissoko’s comments in context the reason why lots of fans have had enough of hearing his thinly veiled wantaway adverts is quite clear. and understandable. There seems a week never goes by without him gobbing off about it. Doesn’t exactly endear him to the local fans.

  • 77 croftus5678 // Oct 5, 2015 at 6:57 PM

    i’d be very upset if any of our players did not show ambition and want to play in champs league tbh !

    macca’s right most of our players dont have a winning mentality they expect others to do the work for them !

    moussa may well be a champs league player but atm he’s just one of the many very talented players who needs to work harder and want it more than others do to rise above them.

    the only 2 players we have with that attitude imo are janmaat and mitrovic and tbh mitrovic is new so that may fade !

    janmaat needs to be captain imo as his desire to win is leaps and bounds above any of our other players.

  • 78 toon kk // Oct 5, 2015 at 6:59 PM

    Sissoko is hardly giving his own prospects any good at the moment, he’s clearly not giving 100%. Champions league clubs usually go for top quality.

  • 79 Our Toon // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:00 PM


    His comments were “one day” not next season not next window but some day he wants to play in CL, it’s the same for virtually all players. If he’s putting himself in the window then good on him, we aren’t happy with the state the club’s in and I’m one of many boycotting it so why should I or anyone else expect players who have no affinity to the club to want to stay for life or for 3 years?

  • 80 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:03 PM


    Last paragraph.

    You will see it isn’t attributed to anyone, as it is one of those “a little dicky bird tells me” pieces (but not a “a dicky little bird tells me” one.)
    One could of course argue that it is all in his head and no-one at the club told him any such thing.
    But then you’d have to accept that the preceding paragraph, in which he predicts Newcastle will spend in January is also without source and just his opinion.
    I would say folks can’t have it both ways, but of course, they can 🙂

  • 81 Essex Geordie Bill // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:03 PM

    Going back to the Armstrong thread.

    Reading between the lines I reckon Mowbray is saying.

    “You don’t want him back yet, do you?”

    Can’t say I blame him either he is doing wonders for them.

    And as for him stepping up a league he should fit straight into the Championship for us next season.

  • 82 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:04 PM

    When at the start of a season your manager/coach rates his squad, expects it to compete well in the top half and then is completely flabbergasted when it bombs, you’ve got to seriously question his credentials to take you forward. The thing is most fans have not only seen the squad’s deficiencies but also questioned the credentials of all of our recent leaders.

  • 83 sing in the corner // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:06 PM

    Yeah thats fair enough OT. But its wearing when he keeps banging on about it mate. At times like this I get tempted to think ‘well yeah we know what you want, so shut up about it Moussa, knuckle down or pish off’.

  • 84 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:14 PM

    Probably what we call subjective journalism since there are no source!

    …when there are no source it’s impossible to verify the authenticity of a story…in other words it could be bogus!

  • 85 toon kk // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:15 PM

    Macca probably watched us play against West ham last season, ind thought that he could get us playing well with the addition of a few new signings, like many fans did .But there’s far more flaws, lack of quality in every position than most realised. Macca will need time but I think it could be to late. One more transfer window to strengthen is risky.

  • 86 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:21 PM

    It could be bogus Mr Birdsong.
    But the realpolitik of the situation is that Mark Douglas is not about to start inventing unhelpful stories about the club just right at the moment.

  • 87 TroubledToon // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:23 PM

    If only we had signed a CB as Colo’s replacement in the summer, then Colo could have played as a CDM. He’d do a better job there than Anita IMO… He’s a terrible defender now, but at least he can pass the ball more than 5 yards!!!!

    But again…. IF ONLY….

  • 88 goommy // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:24 PM

    Six wins in a row in next six games. Wow

  • 89 Mister Tuff // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:25 PM

    Those making the assessments of the squad were either deluding themselves or quite frankly did not have the abilities to make those assessments. The squad (overall) is not good enough.
    This Colo tale – about judgement by committee – instead of Wally saying yeah or nay -has a bit of a stench to it. Was Wally told what to do by Tubbs, Penfold or “the board”.

  • 90 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:26 PM

    BandB…difficult to know what his motives are…or why he won’t name a source?

    …most journalistic output these days seems to written by people like you and I…it’s not really investigating journalism 🙂

  • 91 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:27 PM

    Well, I wouldn’t know jesper.

  • 92 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:28 PM

    Senor Tuff…the hard truth probably is he wasn’t…

  • 93 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:30 PM

    And as for asking the team if they wanted Colo as captain, I suppose the question ran, “Do you want Fabbo as skipper? Or do you want to train with the reserves?”

  • 94 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:31 PM

    BandB…you are an educated woman! What do you think?

  • 95 Our Toon // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:33 PM


    It’s down to all the players to make more of an effort, the problem though is we have 2 lightweight defensive midfielders who aren’t very good and get outbattled more often than not. We could have messi and Ronaldo but still lose because we are woeful in key areas.

    Abeid should have been kept but no we cashed in and in comes Gouffran at the weekend, yet Abeid was MOTM last season at Etihad in the cup and was a presence as well as combative!!

    I would be disappointed if no one from our team wanted to one day play in CL

  • 96 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:33 PM

    How now Jesper, what makes that frontlet on?

  • 97 Tsunki // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:34 PM

    SM was told the bottom line about colo and to make the best job he could out of promoting it. Shame Colo couldn’t resist throwing him under the bus with his recent lacklustre commitment. I don’t think colo has suddenly become a bad player, a la toonbotherers ideal, but I do think his attitude which was fragile before, has virtually switched off. I would not be the least bit surprised if he isn’t due an injury soon. Problem is, woeful though he currently is, he’s still our best CB to partner Mbemba.

  • 98 Tsunki // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:41 PM

    Our Toon I think the problem lies in the fact that he wants to play CL somewhere else. Nobody decries ambition, it’s just they hope it’s for their own club.

  • 99 toon kk // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:50 PM

    I think the majority of professional footballers would love to play champions league football at some point in their career. But most simply aren’t good enough, or just never get signed by the right club.

  • 100 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:51 PM

    BandB…it was just a simple question!

  • 101 Graeme // Oct 5, 2015 at 7:55 PM

    NUFC Team members are showing off their new club suits!!

    It “suits” them!!!

  • 102 Our Toon // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:01 PM


    If we could offer him CL football then he wouldn’t be looking elsewhere fact is we are a million miles from CL football and closer to Championship football.

  • 103 Our Toon // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:05 PM

    Toon KK

    Plenty of teams in Europe that would be interested in taking Sissoko, if Ricky lambert can make it, a guy who was a bricklayer not long ago, then anyone can make it with enough ambition and application can.

  • 104 Tsunki // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:05 PM

    Yes Our Toon, and Moussa is doing very little to either help us, or his chances of having his dream come true atm. So in his best interests and ours it would be good if he just shut his trap about all this cl talk and actually play like his ambition sounds.

  • 105 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:12 PM

    now thats out of the way… Where in the bottom 3 you reckon we will finish? I say second from bottom.

  • 106 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:14 PM

    Thanks for the link. The article reads as typical media speculation. We’d all bet that the club will spend in January.

    The idea that we couldn’t get a decent CB because of our budget is worrying indeed when Ashley was talking about a horse and cart, when we write off millions on Cabella and when we still have the money to burn on another French flop.

    WTF is going on? This lot should be sacked on the spot. They’ve proved for years they’re clueless. We didn’t need them to appoint Makro to prove it to us.

  • 107 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:17 PM

    And now they’re pishing about with club suits. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. You couldn’t make it up.

  • 108 toon kk // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:18 PM

    If you were a manager and looking for players, would you look at a player not giving 100% and playing in an under preforming team, who look as if they couldn’t give a dam?

  • 109 Our Toon // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:21 PM


    We all rave about other teams players, eg Payet, yet if he was here he’d be utter shite. The reason players are under performing for us is down to our recruitment policy and the lack of investment in defence and DM. Sissoko may not have a good reputation amongst newcastle fans but he’s got a very good reputation in Europe!!

  • 110 Munster Mag // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:22 PM

    Ibiza, I dont know why you are wasting your time defending Carr – he’s a central part of our problems. Oh by the way when i used the word “lunacy” or whatever, I wasnt referring to you, more the general situation at the club etc. I gave Carr ( and Chumley) credit for a good last window – and in fairness, Ashley opened the bank for that 53mill , albeit because of the TV money. I full believe Carr is a central player in the club. Of course Ashley is the boss man, and a knob he is, but Carr wields too much power. Put it this way, if SMC resigned tomorrow, who would Ashley call to start looking for a new boss? Carr, thats who, his trusted man, whom he gave a fat new contract to when Joke Kinnear came along. Do you think he would run to Chumley the bean counter? No, Chumley will be involved in the deal, but Carr will do the shortlist. Thats why we were linked with French managers – because Carr knows these men. So then you look at the type of players that Pardew wanted – and didnt get – and now we see him annoyingly doing well for weeks on end at Palace ffs. ( despite what all the geniuses in sackpardew said wud happen to Palace. Quite simply they have been proved incorrect , annoyingly. I am still waiting for him to balls up but no sign of it ) ) . And whilst carr may be in profit ( thanks Ashley) , that doesnt mean to say he has done a good job in transfers, in terms of what the club needs. As someone said earlier …look at some of the dross we have from him ….some of them hugely researched apparently ( he must be having a ball in La Belle France ) …Cabella ( how good were we told he was??? Real good thats what !! ) , Thauvin ( terrible so far ) , Marveuax ( no heart – ( Pardew was correct again ) Gouffran ( no heart ) , Rivière, Obertan ( the mind boggles) Williamson, Anita ( unsuitable, sadly, i like him! ) , Mbiwa ( not suitable to prem football ) , Santon ( terrible defensively ) – the list goes on and on. We have given so much cerdit to our super scout, but old man Carr is no great shakes. Appointed by Ashley of course, dont think I am absolving Fats for one minute .

  • 111 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:25 PM

    How do you arrive at the view that Makro was given the bottom line on Colo? And Thauvin, the same him?

    Who worked out we needed a crap winger as a priority over a commanding CB? And what happened to the horse? If it wasn’t Makro who worked it out, it could only be Carr or Moncur. Charnley is simply not qualified to make such a call. Can you imagine Charnley trying to account for it to his boss?

    Is it true that half the players we get come from the same agent?

  • 112 Our Toon // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:29 PM

    Toon KK

    I don’t think anyone in the team isn’t giving 100%, football is such easy game watching it from the stands. The problem is the defence isn’t good enough you are confusing the 2. Sissoko has a European championship spot to play for, bit thick of him if he’s not trying 100% isn’t it. Should make baseless assumptions though buddy!!

  • 113 Our Toon // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:32 PM

    Shouldn’t not should

  • 114 Tsunki // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:41 PM

    Our Toon, well regarded in Europe? OK. Here he’s not, he’s part of the worst midfield in the league, the real reason why our defence can’t cope. And he’s not doing his teammates much good saying he wants to be somewhere else.

  • 115 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:42 PM


    It isn’t speculation, but almost certainly the result of an unattributable briefing, which is long-established practice with almost every organisation of any size.
    These will be fairly regular affairs in which the journalist is fed enough to keep the back pages ticking over.
    These differ from off-the-record briefings, in that while it is agreed that the source will not be named, there is agreement that the matters under discussion are for publication.
    Journalists don’t routinely make things up unless they are being told to by their desks.
    And HIS desk certainly won’t be telling him to invent stuff.

  • 116 toon kk // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:43 PM

    I wonder who makes the decision to either totally ignore what’s desperately needed in terms of new signings or waste money on the wrong player’s. Carr, Carnless or does MA intervene?
    Obviously there is a buy to sell regime at the club, but surely they could see it wasn’t working.

  • 117 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:51 PM

    toon kk,

    It depends what the definition of “working’ is.
    If the plan is to build a team the challenges for the top eight, then it isn’t working yet, after nine years.
    If the aim is to stay in the division at minimum outlay, then it is working.

  • 118 Our Toon // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:52 PM


    Yes that’s your opinion mate but he’s still regarded very highly in Europe. When he goes you’ll see a different player playing in another league or even this league!! Sissoko is being utilised as a winger, the problem is with the whole team and not just 1 player!! Not long ago you all were blaming the last occupant of the position, a certain fella who’s gone on to get 6 goals in his first 8 games for Nice.

    At what point do we hold our hands up and blame the management? When sissoko leaves you’ll slate the next occupant amd so it goes on and on and on!!

  • 119 toon kk // Oct 5, 2015 at 8:57 PM

    Our toon
    Sissoko has qualities, there no getting away from that, he is disrupting the other players by saying he wants away, but like Cabaye he’ll know far more than us. Maybe he’s just fed up with the whole situation which has been the mad house MA has created at our club.
    Our squad lacks quality in every area not just defence although it has to be the weakest part of the team

  • 120 hibbit // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:01 PM

    b&b ……..its been spot on target so far with only one blip stay in the prem nothing more nothing less……… maximum exsposure minimum cost could this season be the next blip i wonder???

  • 121 Transfer Sage // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:06 PM

    Our toon

    I agree there, no matter who comes into the team they usually shine for a little while (if they have talent) then totally fade into obscurity, becoming one of the rest. A bit like a survivor in a zombie film, all action, look destined to survive then one bite and that’s them gone.

    With the staff, from top to bottom (especially the top) we have created a very poor culture, a culture where failure is rewarded. Players have little incentive to want to work hard and tough it out for the win. They all just want to get involved when winning but as soon as we concede they just throw in the towel….hence the reason we rarely come from behind and we quite often lose by 3/4 goals.

    The only player who has been here a full season and still shows commitment and enjoyment for me is Perez….total gem of a player.

  • 122 Transfer Sage // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:09 PM


    Whilst I’m not sat there on a Saturday cheering for us to lose as some people say, I’m secretly interested to see what Ashley would do if relegated. No doubt a lot of players would want to leave and the rest don’t have the fight for the championsip so I couldn’t see us battling our way back out.

    I’d be curious to see if 3/4 years in that division would make him cut his losses and get out.

    In terms of where we play the premier league is obviously what I want, but I do accept that through growing competition it is likely we will be relegated in the future.

  • 123 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:10 PM

    Just been an interesting hour on Radio 5 live talking about the Premiership
    The conclusion was about the TOON that our players are good enough but basically they don’t have a leader on the pitch and most of them don’t give a shit about Newcastle United.
    Also it doesn’t work when you have to have a translator in the changing room to convey the managers message to the players

  • 124 toon kk // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:10 PM

    you are correct there, but surely they knew it would all go pear shaped eventually.
    This season is the result of a flawed regime that’s been riding it’s luck for several years.

  • 125 Munster Mag // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:12 PM

    One of the problems of this league ( for us ) , is that the standard has increased. Smaller clubs have decided that counter attacking football is the way to go, and there are few , if any genuinely weak teams. Sunderland were crap, but if they get Fat Sam, he will save them. We had better start hoping that Villa stay crap ( they will ) and Bournemouth weaken ( think they will ) , and maybe Watford and Makems. We only need 3 worse than us, but are there 3 ….? So much for mid table / 8th. Jeez that vision disappeared very quickly. It only seems a few weeeks ago that the players seemed happy under SMC and his new training and about 10 ex plauyers were lining up to tell us how good a coach he is . The club needs a win so badly its untrue. Its all about confidence it seems….

  • 126 Transfer Sage // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:16 PM


    It was an interesting listen. I agree about the lack off leader on the field. They also said McClaren doesn’t inspire and never seems to address the question/issue in his interviews.

    I disagree on a translator though, it’s worked in plenty of other teams. My worry is that Ashley has cut costs wit the translator like everything else and got somebody who speaks French-ish haha

  • 127 Our Toon // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:16 PM

    Toon KK

    He’s not disrupting others because half the squad wants away, the only ones happy with staying are the likes of willo, Colback dummett, Anita, Obertan etc, the ones that aren’t good enough to go anywhere else of note. If any of those players have ambition they’ll use us as a stepping stone because under Ashley they’ll only have relegation to look forward to, they won’t win anything and won’t achieve anything at club football.

    I’m boycotting nufc, just because I am doesn’t mean everyone else will though, if sissoko wants out then good on him because in all reality at the moment he’ll be better off playing for Watford under a progressive manager like Mr Flores. Than under McClaren!!

  • 128 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:17 PM


    We are showing profit on our transfer dealings over the whole period of so far published accounts
    That is as unlikely as you or I making a profit on trading up our cars over nine years.
    That makes Carr a gem…..

    It is all about margins…and Ashley has never been in the business of upgrading his product. The margins are better for him not to.
    The club now has a major source of effectively non performance-related income in the form of TV money, with which to speculate in the player market. Free chips to a gambling man.
    It’s football’s Common Agricultural Policy.

  • 129 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:20 PM

    BandB…it’s just my opinion, but I think you should be more critical about the source material or lack there off!

    …it’s vaguely thin to say the least and unfounded.

    When I read that article I left with an empty feeling…it doesn’t really sit with me. Maybe we just go looking for something that fits into our state of mind…

  • 130 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:20 PM


  • 131 Our Toon // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:22 PM


    We can all see thay we are lacking any leadership qualities, it’s been evident since Nolan etc left, leaders are trouble makers in this regime, Ashley won’t have it. The translator thing though is utter bollocks, I would agree if we had 1 player from each nation and they all spoke there own languages and not English.

    There’s a fella who plays for Watford, abdi I think his name is, he speaks 6 different languages, and also helps translate to those that don’t understand. Yet it works fine for them!!

    I’m surprised they didn’t play the “not enough British lads” card. That trains never late, soon you’ll here that one

  • 132 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:22 PM


    Just because he hasn’t named his source, doesn’t mean he doesn’t have one.
    I can’t really make that any plainer.

  • 133 Our Toon // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:24 PM


    Spot on about young Perez, epitomises everything we should be but he’s still fighting for a 1st team spot, once he cements that will he continue to play the way he is? I’m glad you understood what I was getting at though.

  • 134 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:26 PM

    TS @#121…very true mate!

    …the club gets back what they put into it!

  • 135 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:27 PM

    BandB…how can anyone argue with that logic!

  • 136 Transfer Sage // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:27 PM

    Our toon

    I can’t say for certain but I think he will. He seems very genuine, as if playing for us and in front of the fans is something he takes seriously and respects.

  • 137 Our Toon // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:28 PM

    I’m off but it’s been a while since I’ve debated about the team, it’s all about opinions, one player my opinion has never changed on is Anita, so many had him in the starting XI for almost all games. So many thought mcclaren would do something pards couldn’t do and get Anita to play. I’ve always maintained he’s shite and it’s a shame the lad hasn’t proved me wrong. Anyway have fun all, I’m off!! Good debating though

  • 138 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM

    I’m telling you how it works, jesper.
    Whether you are inclined to believe me to not is up to you.
    Why don’t you just say NO, NO, NO NO NO to everything I say, like my three-year-old does?

  • 139 Transfer Sage // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:33 PM


    For me if Ashley had mean what he said in the summer he should have replaced Charnley with a man who knows the job inside out, not some glorified secretary.

    He’d have also gotten a good manager and bought the right players.

    As for McClaren, if he wanted to set the tone he should have stripped Colo of the captaincy and shown him the door, made it a condition of his signing as manager. You can’t have a club captain who doesn’t communicate, shows the least commitment of anyone and spends half the year injured or pining to be back home…it doesn’t work.

    He should have said to sissoko do you want to stay if not, theres the door, good luck to you. Same to tiote.

    He should also have gotten shot of willo and saylor, replacing them with one quality CB and one older, more experienced in the premier league centre back.

    The rest of the team is not fantastic, but with solid foundations and a leader put in place they would be a whole lot better.

    The fact nothing remotely like this was done suggests to me everything last season said by Ashley was a lie, no two ways about it. He may not be a football person but he surely can see the muppets he has there now are not the right men.

  • 140 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:34 PM

    I’m off too.
    To talk to the wall.

  • 141 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:38 PM

    Why wouldn’t Douglas simply speculate to make up some or all of the article? He and other journos get so much wrong, it suggests they speculate all of the time. It looks as if he’s been given inside information in relation to the terms of the Cabella deal, but the rest is reading between the lines. The idea that there wasn’t a budget for a CB appears to be bullshit when a ridiculous amount was spent on Thauvin. We could’ve had two decent CBs for that money. Why didn’t Douglas come up with a plausible reason as to why we didn’t get one?

  • 142 Transfer Sage // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:42 PM


    I’m just speculating now but our transfer policy is geared to making profit and it is much easier to make a bigger profit from a successful winger than a CB as forward players shine more and go for more.

    We’ve constantly bought players who are ‘value’ and could be sold instead of players we actually need.

  • 143 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:43 PM


    It is possible, is it not, that the budget that could have been allocated to a new CB was instead spent on a player who fitted buying policy as outlined by the club itself, and that they saw in Thauvin a young midfielder to speculate on, rather than “wasting it” on, say, a proven premier league defender with little sell-on value?

  • 144 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:47 PM

    And Blackley….
    You are now doing exactly what I said you would do earlier.
    Giving credence to the bits in the article that suit your way of thinking, while dismissing the bits that don’t as speculation.
    You couldn’t make it up.

  • 145 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:51 PM

    BandB…I think the point here is what you believe…hence you are an educated woman so make up your own mind!

    …but do understand when someone else is critical of a subjective piece of journalism!

  • 146 lochinvar // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:53 PM

    The big decision now is for McLaren to persuade Colo to either step down as Captain or to relieve him of the Captaincy.
    Then appoint someone who commands the pitch and the players respect .
    Big decisions but without then McLaren has no chance.
    His appointment looks more suspect in the circumstances – Charnley and Ashley failed to understand the calibre of Manager needed to lift the club up to its full potential. They played safe and we are suffering the consequences.
    If the Martians ever land in Newcastle and ask ” take me to your leader ” they’re going to very disappointed .

  • 147 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:53 PM

    Well, if he express his opinions as facts, jesper, there’s sure to be a retraction.

  • 148 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:56 PM

    Our Toon
    Is there anyone at the TOON who has leadership qualities.

    Me I would make Tim Krul captain as he plays every game.
    as he rarely has a bad game – needs to shout a bit more cos at the minute Colo does nowt but throw the towel in and who would want to give it all under a captain that gives up

  • 149 Mister Tuff // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:56 PM

    Was reading a piece on a Liverpool fans site -not that I do that very often. The gist of the lads article was that Liverpool do not have a team chosen by a manager/coach (solely) but have Camolli/the committee to do that work. The argument is that if you have a crap manager who has bought a crap team – anther manager comes in, get his own players -take them a couple of years to bed down and the cycle repeats.
    If others pick the players you have continuity of the team -ethos/style etc etc – already there for a new manager coach.
    So no wasted time getting new players..
    Looks to me that the coach has to suit the players as opposed to the other way around which would seem more logical to me.
    Interesting take on team purchases etc.

  • 150 Our Toon // Oct 5, 2015 at 9:56 PM

    One last thing before I go. On the Colo debate, to me it seems like a decision that’s been made by Ashley rather than mcclaren, Colo is thought of highly by ashley, his yes man on the pitch to get the troops in line. McClaren would have had no choice but to submit to the regimes wishes. Colo enjoys a nice meal out with Ashley, why didn’t a selling club get rid of an aging player for 2m and get his hefty wages off the books unless he’s a go to person for Ashley! !

    That’s my opinion and I’m offski

  • 151 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:02 PM

    TS…couldn’t really argue with that mate!

  • 152 jimmysmith // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:07 PM

    Seems far more plausible that they realised they needed experienced players on board to help with the transition, but in return Collo got assurances he’d play, and it isn’t really working. Tiote is similar but they haven’t given him any assurance apparently, and he is simply not contributing, same with Cisse. Collocini is still capable, but if he was given an extension because of his leadership skills, they appear to have taken a calculated ris that isn’t working. We might move all three on in January, if we can, but that will leave us even less experienced with our backs likely to the wall in a remorseless league.

    We are in a precarious position, but bringing in two or three hired guns instead of good young players is the way Sunderland tend to go about it, and I doubt we’ll do it, nor do I want to see it, because they won’t be particularly good most likely, and who ever they are you’re stuck with them as they quickly age, ala Defoe, Oshea, Brown.

    I’m afraid we’ve had our bed made, and going down this year is on, although the side has some very good players. I hope we have another window like last, and hold on obviously. I think that’s our best bet.

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