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Newcastle One Point Worse Off Than In 1999

10:02 am, Monday, October 5th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 148 Comments

Newcastle have 11 games to go before the end of this year – which so far has been horrendous for Newcastle with just 16 points from the 27 league games played – compare that to the 47 points Crystal Palace have picked up under Alan Pardew this year in those 27 games.

sergio aguero scores again

Sergio Aguero scoring one of his five goals

It´s probably a good thing to think that the season starts now and we have finished the tough eight games schedule, but we have to start winning games.

This is our worst start ever in the Premier League, the previous worst start being back in 1999-2000 when Sir Bobby Robson was brought in for the fired Ruud Gullit.

We had one point from the first seven league games then, but we won the eighth game .

That was the 8-0 win against Sheffield Wednesday at St. James’ Park on September 19th – Bobby´s home debut as Newcastle manager.

After the game Bobby famously said:

“We scored nine and you can’t score more than that.”

Bless his heart.

That came after losing 5-1 at Manchester United on 30th August after Gullit had been sacked after the 2-1 defeat at home to Sunderland,  and Steve Clark was the caretaker manager before Bobby was appointed.

So we are one point worse off than that start after eight games played.

This is what Steve McClaren said after the Manchester City mauling:

“We have played a lot of top teams. Our season now has to begin.” “We have to take encouragement from whatever we can.”

“We have had a tough eight games, but I have seen enough in the last two weeks that we can win football matches.”

“We were unlucky last week and this week.” “There is enough in there, we just need consistency.”

Here´s the 11 games we have through the end of this year:

Sun 18	16:00	H	Norwich City			
Sun 25	12:00	A	Sunderland			
Sat 31	15:00	H	Stoke City				
Sat 07	12:45	A	Bournemouth				
Sat 21	15:00	H	Leicester City				
Sat 28	15:00	A	Crystal Palace				
Sat 05	15:00	H	Liverpool				
Sat 12	15:00	A	Tottenham				
Sat 19	15:00	H	Aston Villa				
Sat 26	15:00	H	Everton	 			
Mon 28	15:00	A	WBA	 

How many points do you think we can have by the turn of the year?

Comments welcome.

Tags: Newcastle News · Other News · Premier League · Press

148 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:06 AM

    If only it were as simple as choosing when our season begins.

    Looking at the fixtures, normally you’d be able to spot some easier points, but I look through that list and see teams which are battling for points, over the full game, not just one half.

    Busy week on the training field ahead.

  • 2 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:08 AM

    same as we have now no doubt

  • 3 hibbit // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:08 AM

    jib if you think for one minute that the nufc board take into account the dealings of any other club in there decision making your wrong they don’t consider our club never mind any other clubs thinking in there decision making there not interested in what any one thinks says does it has no bearing on this clubs decisions what so ever

  • 4 catchy in norway // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:09 AM

    Good morning Everyone, even you Ibiza

    whilst im not happy with how we played in the second half against City, i DO see us making steps in the right direction, the worst thing that could have happened was Jose saying what he did last week, i bet pellegrini used it in the half time team talk. and for what its worth it was only 25 mins that we fell to bits in the second half, the first half i thought we were the better team, the had some good individuals in the first half, but that is to be expected, there team is a very expensive and experienced team.

    we may be bottom, but i do expect us to start climbing up now the hard games have passed, i think its more physiological than ability.

  • 5 catchy in norway // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:09 AM

    the next 7 games are all very winable

  • 6 terencelim // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    Thanks to Mike Ashley

  • 7 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    Catchy… 🙂

    I do hope you’re right. Only time will tell. One thing is for sure, we can’t go any further down the table, so you’re probably right.

  • 8 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    terencelim…Good for you. I often forget my Monday morning offering of thanks to Mike.

    I usually sacrifice some livestock in the afternoon instead. Seems to balance out.

  • 9 hibbit // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    catchy there’s the small matter of a derby is that winnable ???

  • 10 Rotonda heights // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:21 AM


    why do you keep banging on about pardew. yes we had 2 good runs, 2 years apart, but just before ap left, the everton game apart, we were in the middle of yet another truly miserable run that has characterised the last few years . Not many managers are so bad they get their own personal sack campaign.

    If truth be told if this was in any way a properly run club the likes of Pardew, carver, SM, allardyce, souness would never have come anywhere near being considered to run us.

  • 11 Rotonda heights // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:25 AM

    would relegation really mean the end of ashley and those tacky sd and wonga signs plastered everywhere. i have my doubts.

  • 12 one fine day // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:26 AM

    Can you give it up with Pardue comparisons.
    He is gone end of.
    And he went when it suited Alan Pardue ,he wasn’t forced out .
    Isn’t it time for a Charlie Austin link.?

  • 13 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM

    swams eye austin

  • 14 Jib // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM

    Rotonda heights

    I could paraphrase that to read.

    Not many clubs have a section of fans so sad that
    they do their own personal sack campaign, and are so cowardly they remain anonymous.

  • 15 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    jap eye austin

  • 16 Rotonda heights // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    how the hell does SM think we were unlucky against city. they didn’t have kompany and aguerro and silva went off with nearly half an hour left!

  • 17 The next Mike Williamson // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    I’m losing hope. If we sack McClaren we’ll just another awful manager. My guess would be Moyes, but it could be even worse. People like Lambert, Bruce, Pearson and other British managers with scrappy dull styles that have been forgotten about. We’ve been hiring joke managers since Souness.

  • 18 Jib // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Rotonda knows so much about the Toon that he names 2 managers appointed by the previous regime !!!!!

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha

  • 19 catchy in norway // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:29 AM


    i think that will be the start of something good, i think the nervs will be settled v Norwich then Shteve can get his NUFC career really started, he hasn’t lost the last 4 against SAFC we have.

    im not sure what everyone really expected from us, like i have said before we had the hardest start on paper of any team in the prem, and that is not just me saying it, all the so called top pundits said so, so its been exactly how it was expected.

    Chelsea have had a much worse start than us, given there expectations and squads,

    it has taken 4 years for us to get to this point, it was never going to fixed over night, esp with those fisrt 8 games, people need to calm down and give this team a chance.

  • 20 Rotonda heights // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:30 AM

    If only people with a rare form of pyschosis would remain anonymous

  • 21 Son of Geordie // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    Expectations are so low for me now that I expect a loss but hope for a win. Temporarily raising my expectations has just made me disappointed these past few weeks
    More Nitro
    More Perez
    More players who give a sh@t

  • 22 Lilongwe Geordie // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:33 AM

    The next 11 are all winnable, but then so were Watford, West Ham and Sheff Wed. I think we need 20 points from the next 11 matches, and if we don’t achieve that we will be in serious trouble. That is a pretty tough task given our form.

  • 23 Jib // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:35 AM

    Son of Geordie
    I thought that’s why SM picked Goofy because he appears to give a shit , unfortunately Man City soon sussed he’s no midfielder.

  • 24 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:37 AM

    thats why makro is clueless

  • 25 Son of Geordie // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:39 AM

    Fair point jib, caring is not enough is it.

  • 26 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:40 AM

    I thought Gouffran was picked because Colback was injured?

    Also could argue it wasn’t so much Man City sussing out that he’s no midfielder, but that Gouffran within minutes demonstrated to anyone watching that he wasn’t.

  • 27 Tinman // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:41 AM

    Our season starts now, watch us go on a fantastic run.

    P.S best thing about this article was the Bobby quote, classic

  • 28 Son of Geordie // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:48 AM

    I like your optimism, a winning run through Christmas is what we need, dare to dream

    I dare not let myself think like that for fear of more disappointment

  • 29 manxpie // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:49 AM

    I do find it funny the people having a pop at ed about pardew are the ones that if there dreams had come true and pardew was doing a shocking job at palace every one of there posts would be awash with pardew this or that!

    Now it’ll be mclaren for the high jump when are people gonna realise that under Ashley rthe squad has never or will never be good enough, at the minute It’s not even good enough for 90 mins let alone a full season it was never all the managers fault simple as that

  • 30 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:51 AM

    Sorry didn’t see your post yesterday
    5-1 good bloody odds would of been a nice pay day.

  • 31 Lilongwe Geordie // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:51 AM

    Our season starts now, I wish someone had told me that our season would start after 8 games so I wouldn’t have wasted my time on them.

    I guess we will be taking January and Feb off as we play Arsenal, Man U, City and Chelsea in the space of 8 games then as well….

    Very typical of the defeatist attitude that seems to be rife throughout the club.

  • 32 cyprus // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:54 AM

    Unlucky to concede 6 though Steve? Anyway we should’ve been 2 up which would’ve made it harder. And we should’ve held on for the first half, we all just knew it was somehow going in. That was a deflection, if I can play the excuses card too.

    Anyway, it’s true, we must look forward. You said judge you after 10, I’ll be nice and give you till xmas. If iy doesn’t work, please walk.

    Ed, Ed, your posts are usually really balanced but when it comes to Pardew you talk of the ‘crowd’ who just ruined everything when we were doing SO well. Ed, man, why the blinders, I don’t get it. We were very poor with that coach, receiving regular spankings and losing streaks. Relegation was our favourite flirt. What’s a matta with you man. Snap out of it 🙂

  • 33 Rotonda heights // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:59 AM


    I understand we ‘ve had some tough games but promoted watford at home and SW reserves at home with a strong team??

  • 34 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 10:59 AM

    morning all
    the next 4 games for macca are crucial….and the players need to man the f**k up!…1st half at city was good but 2nd half was spineless…..has our captain made a statement or has he just hid and left that up to the rest of the squad to deal with??

  • 35 cyprus // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    Pardew wasn’t good for us and possibly this guy isn’t either. Reality is, we may have to do some changing around till we get it right: players, coaches, management.

    Changing Ashley is an unrealistic fantasy. There is NO ONE out there, right now.

  • 36 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    if things dont change before xmas..we’ll be to far adrift….mid november at the latest

  • 37 cyprus // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:04 AM

    good point. Hope not

  • 38 The next Mike Williamson // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:05 AM

    I think Charnley is the one that has to go. Although he did well in the transfer market this year, he is too conservative in his manager choice and will always go for what seems like a safe option by picking someone with a lot of experience managing in England. It doesn’t seem to matter that they’ve never done too well and have been moving down the ladder for 10-15 years.

    Ashley is out the picture now, so his only fault is picking Charnley. We need a good managing director who can spot a talented up and coming manager. A good manager (something we’ve not had since Robson) will turn everything around.

  • 39 Toon Tang // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:08 AM

    Same old same old eh..

  • 40 cyprus // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:08 AM

    Has any team ‘eliminated’ that Aguero character? I recognise his ‘amazingness’, but surely it’s been done? Maybe Anita, or whomever, should’ve man-marked him all game? It’s maybe worth it, if doable.

  • 41 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:09 AM

    Ashley changing is also an unrealistic fantasy.
    In Charnley, Carr and McClaren he has the team of his choice.
    Carr may have bought a few duds, but he’s probably still turning a profit all in all, with Sissoko and Perez still ripening. He can blame himself for blowing the cash-in on Tiote.
    Charnley is a serviceable fellow fronting for Ashley’s property development ambitions, who takes the whipping boy role when needed without complaint. McClaren will stay strong, as advised.

    Overrated Frenchman. Racist?
    Er….hardly 🙂
    Jib. Kissy kissy.

  • 42 cyprus // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    Maybe an international manager? Not sure it always works mind you. Gullit promised sexy football, didn’t deliver. But I’d like to see an up and coming tactically oriented manager here.

  • 43 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    Cyprus…I accept the fact that replacing the owner is the hardest of the tasks, as by nature, there are less people available to take that part over. But to write it off as there being “no one” is not accurate.

    There is also the point of if we’re not looking, we’ll never find one.

    I could say hoping that Ashley stumbles on the right type of employees is an unrealistic fantasy.

  • 44 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    the other thing to worry about if we are struggling whether macca here or not you will never get any quality players to come coz of the position,the reputation of the club over the ashley reign,…its a powder keg waiting to explode…..players will give us a very wide berth not even ed’s favourite austin would come,,,,so we really would deep shit unless things change quickly…..thats why i say the next 4 games are huge for macca

  • 45 Munster Mag // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:14 AM

    Rotunda and Co, how do you reconcile your opinions that pardew is a useless coach, with Crystal Palace rocketing away from a relegation fight and being currently one of the top teams in England. The problem is with NUFC and allowing Carr to choose the players, not with Pardew, though he’s no genius, and thats not what i am saying. The more time goes on, the more stupif the campaign makes us look. Carr, agree, useless, but Pardew is now a potential England manager by all accounts. Thats a bit OTT I know, but its not that fanciful. The guys who said he would relegate Palace are all 100% wrong. Naturally none of them ever seem to admit that their football knowledge isnt as big as thier mouths. If we had got Pardew the pacy players he likes, and the big strikers, and the dominant centre back he asked for, and not sold all around us, maybe we would be way up the table too, and none of us would be moaning about our lack of pace etc .

  • 46 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:15 AM

    BandB…I did a little P&L on Carrs transfers, and he has indeed made a tidy sum, plus we still have a fair few players left on the inventory.

    Looking at profit, he’s done well. I wonder how he’s being judged at board level.

  • 47 Munster Mag // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:16 AM

    Interesting but I think a geman football correspondent said on sky that Bayern are looking at Teuchel as their next coach.. Its a tragedy!

  • 48 Munster Mag // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:16 AM

    Ibiza, Carr making a profit and buying the right players are two very different things mate.

  • 49 Lindisfarne // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:17 AM

    Try to listen to the muffled music on the two-bob stadium speaker
    Linger in the eisles where the SD signs are bleaker
    How can you lose?
    The lights are much brighter there
    You can forget all your dreams and forget all your cares

    Things will be crap when you’re DOON TOON
    No better place for sure, DOON TOON
    Everything’s waiting for you

  • 50 Munster Mag // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:19 AM

    Its an interesting point that has never really been debated here well….ie…”Are our players all rubbish etc, or do we have plenty of talent, and just a bad manager all the time” . Any takers ?

  • 51 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:20 AM

    Munster…They are indeed, which is why I questioned how he is being judged at board level.

    Much like when Pardew was under fire I questioned what the outline for his job was, I’m doing the same with Carr.

    He’s still here, so one would assume his boss is happy with the work he’s done.

    I still think we’re directing our frustrations in the wrong direction. I.E. Easy fall guys.

  • 52 cyprus // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:21 AM

    give me a name man, any name 🙂 I’ve seen this episode before. The fans try to buy the club, much like Cyprus tried to buy its 20 bil debt from the money the country ‘donated’ to Greece. We’re talking crazy money here, the barrier to entry is almost insurmountable, seriously. The oil rich countries-monarchies are all done.

    The only ‘hope’ is the Americans or maybe a crazy oligarch. The Americans are used to hamburger stall type franchises in sports. And the EXPECT to make money. I heard of a Russian who studied at Newcastle. Maybe give him a call 😉

  • 53 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:23 AM

    Munster…I’m game if you are 🙂

    Truth is, I don’t think it’s so clear cut. It’s a serious lack of continued sporting philosophy which has given us a sub coaching team and a miss match of players, some quality, some poor, but underneath it all, there is no belief. That has come from the top and filtered down.

    In my opinion, of course.

  • 54 Lindisfarne // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:23 AM

    Munster – re AP

    Just like ourselves, give it time. But if he continues to do well season after season then we were all fooled by the transfer philosophy and Carr has a lot to answer for.

  • 55 Lilongwe Geordie // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:27 AM

    Depends on your point of view. It has been pretty clear, and stated by the club that they buy players for resale value. If Carr is turning a profit on his purchases, then he is doing a good job by the job description set for him.

    Maybe if those above tasked him with making Newcastle a top side then he would be successful at that as well. Who knows.

  • 56 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:27 AM

    Cyprus…I’m not in the business of finding buyers for football clubs.

    First step would be Ashley wanting to sell. That is the natural order, unless you have someone wanting to pay silly money to prise it away from him. That’s the fantasy aspect for me. Sitting, waiting, hoping.

    If you want to talk in the meantime, then sure. Where I think we hit a problem though is that we’re busy picking off easier targets, who are easy targets by design. All the whilst buying more time for Ashley. That doesn’t mean we should give these people a free pass, but let’s call it what it is and recognise why we keep going around in circles.

    We get these type of people for a reason. Until that changes, why would we expect anything to change?

  • 57 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:28 AM

    our players are not all bad but there attitude is!….i like to call our players “big time charlies”..think they are better then what they are so only turn up and try for the bigger games..and just turn up for the lesser games…..we have a too soft coach,a too soft captain which has grown a soft spineless attitude….there is quality there but not top of the league quality but good players are’nt enough great players have a winning never give up attitude…i believe this is our no;1 problem…..attitude

  • 58 Munster Mag // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:29 AM

    Lindis, Carr has loads to answer for anyway. Who directs football matters at the top of the club? Its not Charlnley – he doesnt know the game. Its not the manager – he’s just a coach. Its not Ashley because he isnt knowledgeable . Its Carr – Carr buys , and chooses all the players. When he nearly left because of Kinnear, Ash gave him a fat contract. I appreciate his heart is probably not bad etc, but he cannot be allowed to decide what type of players suits the team, or we will get more Thauvins. He is the de Facto DOF, no doubt in my mind. Who chose SMC ? Carr of course was the man operating the controls on this. Charnley is just an accountant and negotiator ( and is good at that IMO )

  • 59 Lindisfarne // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:30 AM

    No one will be losing their job for a long time. Collo will even be in the starting 11 in the next match, unless its time for an early holiday (away somewhere).

  • 60 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:30 AM

    Lil…For some, it’s become as simple as that there is no other senior footballing voice at board level, therefore, it must be Carr’s doing.

    I can go along with the thinking, but I find the conclusion mind boggling. Surely that just further indicates that those above Carr are making the wrong call…again.

    Is it Carr or his remit that is wrong?

  • 61 lesh // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:31 AM

    If it’s not winning that’s sapping players’ confidence, maybe we should play some games against teams from the lower reaches of football.

    Given our abject performance against Sheffield Wednesday, perhaps a school under 11 team might be a good start.

  • 62 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:33 AM

    “Charnley is just an accountant and negotiator” but has been made MD.

    Did Carr make that call too?

    Ashley is either afraid to appoint the right people, or doesn’t need the right people to fulfill his ambitions. Either that or he’s stupid.

    I really don’t buy in to him being stupid. Lacking knowledge in areas for sure, we all are, but he has the resources to find the right people if he wanted.

  • 63 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:34 AM

    “the next 7 games are all very winable:

    I beg to differ. With our form I will be surprised if we get 3 points for all of those games.

    McLaren should be sacked.

    Why? I don’t think things are working he has no balls. Bad eggs should be benched, I don’t see anything happen.

    Mourinho, Rogers, Guardiola all have character. They have a vision, they don’t get along with players they bench em.

    Sure they have in depth in the field. But if these assholes cannot play for Newcastle what is the point???????

    Come Jan, 70% of the team should get shed if there is any hope. Unfortunately it will never happen.

    Sissoko is getting on my nerves. Would sell him asap. Anita, Comeback, Cisse, Tiote, Goufran, Thauvin all crap.

  • 64 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:34 AM

    we are in deep
    right up to fattys ar5e cheeks

  • 65 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:35 AM

    We have a poor recruitment team which has increasingly given us poor recruitment of players and managers. As for Pardew, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that if Palace had been doing badly, he would be saying, “It’s too early to judge me, for sure. A manager needs time to put his stamp on a club. I’ve only been here a few months so I’ve not had that scenario yet, if I’m honest.”

  • 66 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:35 AM

    Lesh…What if the under 11’s beat us too?

    I’d say the safest place to start is to play against 11 cones. If that goes well, try against some mannequins.

  • 67 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    Lesh…Taking that further, I wonder if after a 0-0 game against the cones Steve would come out and say:

    “It was pleasing to see an improved performance. The key today was for the lads to build some confidence and I think we achieved that by getting a clean sheet. It gives us something to build on. The cones hardly troubled us today, and we came close to scoring a few times. We’re a work in progress, but we’re getting closer to where we need to be. Prior to my arrival, this team would have lost this game, so I’m happy with the progress me and my experienced team are seeing”.

  • 68 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    If you were a player, would an old, ruddy Makro, a bloke who grins in defeat, inspire you? Would you fear him and admire him in equal measure? I think they’re the questions Geordies asked themselves and it’s why most were completely underwhelmed. Charnley saw ex England manager and thought “safe pair of hands”.

  • 69 Munster Mag // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    Ibiza, there is nothing mid boggling here at all, just mind boggling dumbness. Yes, Ashley makes the appointments and he is most at blame etc etc. You dont need to be a genius to work that out. But who has most influence on footballing matters, given that the manager doesnt run the recruitment side. Carr of course. He decides the players, in the main. he chooses many which are not fit for purpose. He had a major input into choosing the mgr – if not total input. Carr needs to cop on, although his recent signing bar Thauvin are much better.

  • 70 Lilongwe Geordie // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:44 AM

    I agree, even if Carr were to make all the footballing decisions, he will be under severe restrictions. There may be a ‘football board’ but they are still just dancing to Ashley’s tune. None of them are suitable to be operating at board level, but they are cheap and won’t rock the boat by going against Ashley’s wishes. They all know they wouldn’t get a gig like this anywhere else, so they are happy to be compliant.

    If Ashley was serious about stepping back and seeing the club compete then we would have seen a total overhaul at boardroom level. We didn’t, and stuck with what we had, just making a cosmetic shuffle to appear to be changing things.

  • 71 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:46 AM

    in a word no!….the man is soft and uninspiring…along with the captain….nofear, no performance

  • 72 Lindisfarne // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:46 AM

    The situation at Liverpool is similar to our own, but Brenda has made himself an easy target. Good players have gone, substantial amounts of money have been spent on replacement that have not been successful and the blame game starts. Fingers are pointed at the ‘commitee’, the comparitive success of the previous manager and the lack of playing style.

    The transfer policy at NUFC does not have to be a success on every single player, the odds are that one will come good with each cycle and make a great deal of money. The resultent deadwood has blocked up the system and we are losing saplings and space for players to grow.

  • 73 manxpie // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:47 AM

    Munster going off here it seems it’s always the managers fault for everything even on the sack pardew site with the list of bad runs etc all his fault not the players all his doing
    the same now will happen to mclaren,
    On Saturday we were playing a young reserve RB at LB and a wide attacker at CDM 8 games into the season and god forbid if janmaat gets injured Wat happens then?
    To not have a full squad capable of competing in the prem at the start for a club of this size and with the money that’scoming in is only down to 1 man and he’s the one with the purse strings

  • 74 beefman13 // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:48 AM

    Mclaren, is looking at our up coming fixtures and thinking we have points to get here, maybe Schteve but they will be lookin at us the same way.

    Our midfield is piss poor weak, yea I know yawn, but Colo needs resting, he is sussed every time and targeted, we need a midfielder with real pressense a stopper with a bit of nous and skill.

    I have been wondering for a while if Graham Carr has a few special “agent” friends, the Thauvin deal stinks to me at 13 million, the kid looks like he’s got a jelly spine to him, hope I’m wrong but he does look very vulnerable.

  • 75 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:51 AM

    Munster…”Mind boggling dumbness” on whose part?

    Blackley…Agreed. There was nothing inspiring about McLaren, which is what our squad and fans needed.

    Lil…If this is Ashleys version of stepping back and letting others make the calls, then I’d expect him to take some action sooner rather than later.

  • 76 cyprus // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:52 AM

    cosmetic shuffle with 50 mil and an entirely new coaching stuff? And that Director is relatively new.

    I would’ve liked to have seen 10 players released, granted. But it’s only fair for the new coaching team and the incumbent players to have a chance to take a look or ‘shine’.

    The unmoving one seems to be that Carr character.

  • 77 Lindisfarne // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:53 AM

    Those other 80 Head Coaches (no application from Schteve) must have been some right duffers, that we had to ask someone else three times before he would agree.

  • 78 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:53 AM

    juries still out for me on thauvin…showed glimpses of good but also bad but this teams does’nt exactly raise your confidence levels does it?….see how he does the rest of the season for me

  • 79 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:55 AM

    sissoko cl aspirations
    could not get a job as a spongeman for cl team never mind as a player

  • 80 cyprus // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:55 AM

    Good point Lind.

    Release that list board 🙂

  • 81 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 11:58 AM

    john tudor
    he needs to stop talkin cl… he’s embarrassing himself!

  • 82 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:01 PM

    If we’re looking at a fresh start for everyone, as so much has changed this summer, then how come Carr is under the spotlight at all?

    Firstly, is he not due the same fresh start? Secondly, if we are to judge his last window, which is hard to do at this early stage, it doesn’t appear that bad.

    Signed 5 players:

    Thauvin (£12m) – Jury still out, doesn’t look too promising.
    Wijnaldum (£14.5m) – Looks to be a decent buy.
    Mitrovich – Jury still out, looks to be promising.
    Mbemba (£6.9m) – Looks to be a decent buy.
    Toney (£0.3m) – Who knows, who cares, a development buy.

    Total spent £46.7m.

    Seems to be only one potential flop in there (Thauvin) as things stand, which equates to approximately 25% of that transfer pot.

    Is a 75% return on recruitment not a decent enough percentage for our dodgy scout?

  • 83 catchy in norway // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:03 PM

    Rotonda heights

    Watford was always going to be a tough game, just as hard as playing some of the top team in the prem, they have just been promoted and are still riding on that feel good factor and winning mentality, whilst not setting the world alight they have had some good results..

    shef wed is a different story , yes we should have won this game, no excuses it was a gift of a draw and the fact they made there team weaker for us, hmmmm


    come on, tell me how many points di you think we would have had out of playing
    southampton home
    chelsea home
    man u away
    man c away
    ars away
    swan home
    wat away,

    for me i think we should have had 5 points but 3 is not bad, pardew and charver destroyed our squads mentality , took away any signs of a footballer we had in there, the first half of this season was always going to be hard for any manager let alone Shteve

  • 84 Ibizatoon // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:03 PM

    Going in to a meeting now, so you’re all saved from me for a while.


  • 85 Lindisfarne // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:06 PM

    18 months?! Is Schteve trying to blame the bad form on losing Cabaye as well?

  • 86 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:06 PM

    he is embarrassing newcastle

  • 87 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:09 PM

    can the blind one see it

  • 88 Lindisfarne // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:10 PM


    Not wanting to offer any excuses but I would go along with the fact that any coach would struggle with the current situation and that the solution is longer term but hopefully closer than we think.

  • 89 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:11 PM

    send makro to coventry with collo and bring back arma and mugga

  • 90 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:12 PM


    Ashley isn’t knowledgeable about football, and I’m sure if you asked him he’ll tell you he doesn’t need to be or want to be.
    He has a vision of applying the things he learned in the retail trade to the running of a football club the key purpose of which is to serve the ends of Sports Direct.
    The club is also more than wiping its own nose financially.
    That’s the misconception.
    People think they are buying a football product.
    And they aren’t.

  • 91 jimmysmith // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:13 PM

    We are playing a twenty year old right footed centre back at left back. We’ve had good players and we’ve had capable managers in more recent times, but we’ve never had a deep, balanced and focused squad, and fixing that will be how we finally judge Ashley, now that he’s come out and claimed we’ll make our own luck. I desperately hope he delivers. It’s been terribly deflating, for a very long time.

  • 92 catchy in norway // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:15 PM


    get away man. P45 is very poor, just because he is sitting in 3rd right now dosnt make him good, give him time for him to exert hi ego on everyone, let the real p45 stand up then it will go pear shape very quickly,

    also have you seen them play, results wise they have done ok, but i have watched the 2 times, the game v Norwich was a typicle pardew performance, poor all over but a very lucky result,

    last season palace v city, city murdered them, 75% possession 22 shots, palace defended for there lives that day and won 2-1. Luck follows p45 but he can not hide behind luck all the time

    2 x 20+ none wining steaks at NUFC a 1 x 20+ none wining streak at west ham, and and an awful style of football, those will b with him for ever

  • 93 Lilongwe Geordie // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:16 PM

    Watford at home, not away. I’d have expected 6 points from our opening 8 matches. But more than that I would have expected to see a greater improvement in style and in intent. So far it is much of the same with glimpses of better, but then Pardew showed glimpses of better at times as well.

    Cosmetic shuffle at boardroom level, yup. The coaching staff has nothing to do with that, nor does the £50million spend. The policies are the same.

  • 94 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:23 PM

    the 11 games many wins,draws and losses?
    reality not rose tinted optimism please
    not good reading unfortunately….hope im wrong

  • 95 JackButler // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:24 PM

    Anyone else see the interview where Colo, our captain, came out and spoke to the media after that battering we took on Saturday???


    Me neither!!!

  • 96 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:26 PM

    depressing innit

  • 97 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:26 PM

    aint no army here

  • 98 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:27 PM

    i asked the same question earlier….its bloody sackless cowardice leadership but this is the norm now at this club

  • 99 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:29 PM

    Colo isn’t being paid to talk.
    He’s being paid to watch and listen.

  • 100 Mister Tuff // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:32 PM

    Moanster – you are on here everyday, without fail talking about your hero – King Percy.
    He is gone – he jumped ship when the opportunity arose – like a rat off a sinking ship.
    Why do you chunter on about him everyday – I can only assume you have some sort of fixation or “fatal attraction”.
    If so could I suggest you get one of the items in my link and put a Pardew face mask on it – then you’ll be sorted for your daily King Percy intake – (by giving it a damn good “sorting out” each morning.

  • 101 JackButler // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:33 PM


    Only at this club can someone like him shirk his responsibilities on and off the pitch and not only get away with it, but get offered a new deal and retention of the armband.

    SM said he asked the rest of the squad if they wanted him as captain and the majority of players said “Yes” – that’s like asking turkeys to vote in favour of Christmas. The last thing the likes of Sissoko, Cisse etc etc want is someone calling them on their lack of effort and shyte attitude

  • 102 catchy in norway // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:34 PM


    i carnt say what you or anyone else see in a match, its a personnel thing, and if you think its much of the same then i will not argue.

    my own thoughts are are we are a better team, still a long way to go, the players that we have signed on the whole are doing well giving that they came into a poor team. we break with more people, we try and get bodies in the box and this is a huge improvement on p45s teams, we collapsed against city, but for the first 45 mins, we were the better team creating very good chances. p45s teams scored individuals goals or long balls lumped forward by passing MF.

    3 out of 4 summer signing have hit the ground running and florian will come good, he is young and has the talent, he showed it in the cup game,

  • 103 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:35 PM

    to easy for the players said it the other he’s a mate..not a captain so no wonder they voted for him

  • 104 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:36 PM

    other day#

  • 105 JackButler // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:39 PM


    Well at least we have continuity, no leadership from above or on the pitch!

  • 106 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:41 PM

    we have at times looked more like at team then last season but at the same time have looked dross,especailly in attitutde!……i wasnt expecting miracles with the run of games we’ve had hopefully the next few games show us more if not ……trouble ahead

  • 107 bettyswallocks // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:42 PM

    I can’t see that Carr is doing a bad job and needs to be blamed for our poor results.

    During the years of austerity he earmarked many players who weren’t bought due to the financial restrictions ,and with his very limited budget he managed to find a few gems. Even the likes of Santon and Mbiwa are doing ok although they didn’t suit Pardews style.

    With the purse strings a bit looser I think he has chosen well with only Thauvin a doubt. This is all comparative to what the top clubs spend on players and many expensive flops are costing managers dearly.

    We can only hope that the next batch of signings can be knitted into a team with the recent recruits and that we get rid of the dead wood asap. Mc must know by now who needs hoying oot.

  • 108 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:44 PM

    the 11 games comin up.. your thoughts?

  • 109 JackButler // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:52 PM


    For the most part Carr has failed his brief, which was to find young, cheap players, who could be improved and sold at a profit, the majority of the players he’s brought in couldn’t be given away right now. Cabella, Thauvin, Marveuax, Gouffran, Rivière, Obertan, Williamson, Tiote, Anita, Haidara – the list goes on and on. Yes he’s got it right a few times but a broken clock is right twice a day.

    But the bigger view is the system is inherently wrong, we were desperate for a stronger defence, Colo and Williamson are years past their best, Saylor is constantly injured, we have one right back, no decent left back and he wastes £12 million on Thauvin, a player who has been so poor the past eighteen months no other club wanted to touch him and we pay full price for the lad.

    He’s signed the wrong players at the wrong time, but was not only given his eight year contract, he was also given a place on the board.

    Only at NUFC would such a propospurous thing happen

  • 110 Lilongwe Geordie // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:52 PM

    We have only shown glimpses of improved attacking play. In some of the other games we failed to register a shot on target. We have kept possession better, but had no idea what to do with it. Possession without intent is pointless, and that is what we have had in more games then not.

    It is still early days, but there is a lot of work to do, and he needs to be braver in his team selections. I’d be more impressed with him if he was making changes and dropping the overrated and under performing players. Sadly, he hasn’t done that.

    Repeatedly picking Colback and Anita continuously in centre mid, it isn’t working. Gouffran in centre midfield? That is up there with Santon in centre mid for me. A crazy move.

  • 111 JackButler // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:55 PM


    To be fair to SM, he’s had a baptism of fire with the run of games we’ve had, at a time where he would have wanted to build confidence we’ve faced most of last seasons top six clubs. The next run of games are massive for us, as we need to start picking up points, and quick, as we are already adrift at the bottom, as always we are left living in hope we can and will turn it around.

    Off to work, have a good day lads and lasses.

  • 112 toon kk // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:58 PM

    I honestly can’t see where our next win will come from, even looking at our up coming fixtures, we should but they are capable of playing for 90 mins we aren’t, we’re not fit enough.

  • 113 Jib // Oct 5, 2015 at 12:59 PM

    One of the games we failed to register a shot on target was Man U away – yet two of the best chances fell to us.
    Mitro wobbled the cross bar with a header and Tow Van was a midgies dick away from toe poking a diving effort .

    Statistics meh !!!

    There’s lies , damned lies , and statistics.

  • 114 BandB // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:00 PM

    Colocinni is a key factor in our on field failures.
    But next to Carr he is the biggest hitter at the club.
    When Nolan went native and led the player resistance to the new terms and conditions, it was an unacceptable betrayal to Ashley, who values loyal servants above all else.
    We have had one captain since, and he has Ashley’s trust.
    This is the background against those who scratch their heads about him being undroppable. They think some kind of football considerations must be at play, when they aren’t.
    He is a trusted man in a position of trust.
    There has been a lot of talk about a new era recently.
    When we were relegated and Ashley tried to sell the club, he said he had made mistakes.
    Those mistakes were all to do in his mind with handing cash over to Allardyce to buy the kinds of players Allardyce bought on the types of contracts they were on.
    The new era began when Hughton, Nolan and Barton were all cleared out and the Ashley Doctrine on transfers, contracts and wages was heralded in.
    He decided he wasn’t going to listen to these football men anymore, but trust in himself and his own way of doing things.
    So to say Ashley knows nothing about football or seems slow to learn is to entirely misunderstand what is happening at this club.
    He isn’t trying to learn.
    He is trying to teach.
    To teach a football club how to operate like a sports shop.

  • 115 Lilongwe Geordie // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:02 PM

    But we didn’t hit the target, and aside from those two opportunities created virtually nothing. So it is a perfectly valid point in relation to a debate about whether we look more attacking.

  • 116 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:05 PM

    from the arsenal at highbury lol

  • 117 jimmysmith // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:11 PM

    Hei trying to play a passing game despite a very tough start, when he might have shelved it for something more pragmatic, as Pardew most likely would have done That’s surely a positive sign. Although it’s high time we threw Tiote and DeJong into the mix, because when we pair Anita and Colback in central mid it’s like playing with ten and a half men.

  • 118 Graeme // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:11 PM

    Springy @ 94 I reckon those 11 games will result in us getting 11 points
    W – D – D – L – D – L – L – L – W – D – D

    Not pretty at all

  • 119 Jib // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:15 PM

    B and B

    Did you eat some phrase pie over the weekend ?

    “He is trying to teach a football club how to operate like a sports shop.”

    What a belter

    Good journalism

    Absolute meaningless bollix , but great journalism.

  • 120 lochinvar // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:17 PM

    I make no comment other than a sad indictment of how some businesses are operated ?

    “Ambulances were called out to the headquarters of one of Europe’s largest sports retailers 76 times in two years, a BBC investigation found.
    Many of the calls, for workers at Sports Direct’s complex at Shirebrook, in Derbyshire, were for “life-threatening” illnesses.”
    Former workers said some staff were “too scared” to take sick leave because they feared losing their jobs.
    Sports Direct said it aimed to provide safe working conditions for all.

  • 121 geordie_of_the_south // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:17 PM

    Charlie Austin

    Benik Afobe Florian Thauvin

    Moussa Sissoko
    Mohammed Diame Gini Wijnadlum

    Andrew Robertson Daryl Janmaat
    Curtis Davies Chancel Mbemba

    Tim Krul

  • 122 Moonraker15 // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:18 PM


    You are spot on about Ed’s posts re Pardew! The man was and is, a mediocre manager and will prove it again soon! But the supporters did NOT drive him out (unfortunately)!

    He left to join his home club for more money after lining his pockets and achieving nothing at Newcastle.

    Ed, please no more about Pardew; he is history!

  • 123 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    not good at all tbh

  • 124 Lilongwe Geordie // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:22 PM

    The shorter passing game is only a positive if it has an attacking intent. We have had less shots per game then any other team in the league. As Paisley said, “It’s not about the long ball or the short ball, it’s about the right ball.”

  • 125 SPRINGY // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:24 PM

    or pretty even!lol
    cheers for the reply tho…. just interesting to have idea what people expect

  • 126 geordie157 // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:24 PM

    Wonder if we can beat derbys record of being relegated with just 11 points.

    Make mitrovic captain haha.

  • 127 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:28 PM

    thats one target certainly attainable

  • 128 sing in the corner // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:31 PM

    Ibiza (from earlier)

    When I mentioned my opinion about what needs to change before the end of the Jan window, if we are to finish outside the top 4, and grouped those things all together including changing captain, I didn’t mean waiting until then. I absolutely agree Colo should be deposed now. I will go further and said at the time he was made captain in the first place he is no captain.
    On SM… I don’t think he is a ‘yes man’. Nor was Pardew. There are many balancing acts / political machinations in all organisations and there is a lot to consider before you stand in front of a mic, of course.
    Its just pure folly to suggest a head coach or manager should start telling the media that this player or that player is shyte, the owner’s a tube etc etc. You have to balance things, play the game, massage many egos as part of the job.
    I think SM needs to avoid a full scale panic and mutiny if we are to ever build up any player confidence and self belief from the position we are now in. That takes tact, diplomacy.
    Other wise the club might as well pack up and stop playing the rest of the games, have a holiday and embrace the championship

  • 129 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:33 PM

    sing isnt that what they have done already

  • 130 welshgeordie9 // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:36 PM

    Any news on Charlie Austin.

  • 131 John Tudor // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:37 PM

    yes he wants to put his hat in the ring durr

  • 132 welshgeordie9 // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:38 PM

    Swap deal with Liverpool, Mcclaren for Rodgers.

  • 133 sing in the corner // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM


    Nah don’t think so mate, not some of them anyhow. I see Krul, Mbemba, Wij, Janmaat, Perez and Mitro to name a few, and see they care alot. And Colback always gives you that as long as there’s breath in him. That gives me hope.
    Still too many free loaders though, I’ll give you that!

  • 134 welshgeordie9 // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM

    How is Rodgers sacked before mourinho, can anyone with intelligence tell me.

  • 135 kakaobi // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:53 PM

    Hearing a few rumours of Pardew to Liverpool my be worth a small bet

  • 136 catchy in norway // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:54 PM


    “As Paisley said, “It’s not about the long ball or the short ball, it’s about the right ball.”

    you have to teach the players where to be and what to look for, players have to know that if he is going to bust a gut to find space, then the player will find him in space with the right ball long or short.

    i played CF and i thought for one second i was busting a gut for the likes of obertan to put the right ball in, i think id give up. now im not looking for the perfect ball, but i played with better players on a a sunday who new how to cross and put it in a danger zone on the floor or in the air, more often than not crosses from sissoko and oberan go over the bar or are hit so hard they miss the 18y box and go out for a corner, Jannmat hits them in the right place most of the time with both his feet. our team is getting better though, gini mitro and perez look a very good fit together

  • 137 hibbit // Oct 5, 2015 at 1:57 PM

    sing ………..its the deadwood and the free loaders that will take us down and then will be first out the door when they do

  • 138 Jib // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:03 PM

    The Swans are said to be interested in Charlie Austin (not a joke)

  • 139 Jib // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:05 PM

  • 140 toon kk // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:09 PM

    Brandon Rodgers to Sunderland
    and a new brolly for Macca

  • 141 toon kk // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:14 PM

    Welsh g
    If we got Rodgers it wouldn’t make a difference with the same pretty much useless squad. We’re past the stage where a top manager would help.

  • 142 welshgeordie9 // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:18 PM

    So if no manager is not going to make any difference, how many players need to go and how many need to be signed.

  • 143 lesh // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:19 PM


    It seems that Girls Aloud turned up at SJP and played before the South Africa game – they beat the under 21s, 3-0!

  • 144 welshgeordie9 // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:21 PM

    Don’t think Pardew would leave palace for Liverpool, then again though Rodgers did leave swans.

  • 145 lesh // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:21 PM


    Shouldn’t you be posting on the Palace blog site, continuing your Pardew out campaign?

  • 146 welshgeordie9 // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:22 PM

    Girls aloud, my favourite band.

  • 147 welshgeordie9 // Oct 5, 2015 at 2:27 PM

    Mcclaren Out
    Ashley Out
    Welshgeordie9 In
    The True Geordie In

  • 148 emphraser // Oct 5, 2015 at 6:56 PM

    If it’s not Austin, it’s Pardew – if it’s not Pardew, it’s Austin. Is there some reason we can’t just have both in one go? Maybe they cancel each other out.

    How about this: “…which so far has been horrendous for Newcastle with just 16 points from the 27 league games played without Charlie Austin – compare that to the 47 points Crystal Palace have picked up under Alan Pardew this year in those 27 games.”

    I think that works wonderfully.

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