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Steve McClaren’s Big Mistake In Pre-Season

11:32 am, Tuesday, October 6th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 171 Comments

There were always questions about whether Fabricio Coloccini even wanted to stay at Newcastle in the summer when he didn’t play one minute in pre-season and there were constant rumors that he was destined to join former manager Alan Pardew at Crystal Palace.

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Steve McClaren – head in hands  
It doesn’t give fans any confidence to see Steve doing this

It looks like that was accurate and that he was being offered a three-year deal at Palace with his current contract running out next June on Tyneside and most fans thinking that would be the end of his Newcastle career.

But just days before our first game at home to Southampton McClaren made a big deal of saying that Coloccini had been given a one-year extension to his contract and he would be staying on as captain of the side.

That meant that we would not bring in another center-back in the summer since Colo as captain would presumably have to play in the side.

With Newcastle having conceded a massive 17 goals in our first eight games that now seems to be a huge mistake McClaren made.

What’s been alarming with the Newcastle side this season is they have collapsed far too many times and that points to a number of things – one is a lack of leadership.

Coloccini has played well only in patches and doesn’t seem to have strong leadership qualities on the pitch – especially when things are not going well which is when leadership really counts.

Newcastle will almost certainly bring in another center back in January – maybe Joel Matip of Schalke – but by then we will be half way through the season and our defense looks no better than over the last three seasons.

It’s looking like a huge mistake that Newcastle didn’t bring in another center-back last summer and Colo is also lacking as the leader of the side.

And with Haidara and Dummett being prone to injuries we could have also used another left back coming in.

Why we let Davide Santon leave in January for Inter-Milan we have no idea – it was another poor  decision by Lee Charnley, probably influenced by John Carver at the time.

Lee said it was an opportunity Newcastle had to take because it wouldn’t have been there last summer – was that code for another  opportunity to make money?

We just hope things can be turned around before January – we have 11 games and 33 points to play for before the new year rolls around and new reinforcements can arrive.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Coaching · Fabricio Coloccini · Leadership · Newcastle News · Premier League · Recruitment · Transfer News and Rumours

171 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Jib // Oct 6, 2015 at 11:38 AM

    For me this confirms the story we were in for Rudiger but he sustained knee ligament damage in preseason and the deal fell through.

  • 2 Ron Knee // Oct 6, 2015 at 11:39 AM

    But was it McClaren’s decision to give Coloccini a contract extension?

  • 3 jayphoto // Oct 6, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    Jib -Going to throw it out there that I’m in neither camp. My personal opinion is the club is where it is because of decisions at board level/ownership.
    We signed well this window, but the 4/5 windows before that have been woeful.
    We had 5 years of signing players without the managers input. Therefor continuously ignored the positions that needed filling.
    Club tends to not spend what it should in defensive positions. I put this down to the resale and value increase of defenders being a lot less.
    The position of head coach being given to John Carver was damaging. A losing mentality crept into the club. Ill discipline was rife. There was no philosophy. The board accept defeat too readily which bred down to the managers Carver and Pardew and onto the players.
    On Coloccini, I don’t think he is good enough, but defensively I think Janmaat (though good going forward) and Haidara don’t help the back 4 any and neither does Krul.
    Ashley is the reason we are where we are. The summer window showed some signs things might have changed. I think McClaren and his team will get it right eventually but so many years of mismanagement has taken its toll.
    At the end of the day, neither coloccini nor Carr signs the cheques that buy players or sacks managers. Charnleys inexperience in all areas has hindered. Ashleys willingness to put him in the position is to blame at that.

  • 4 Jib // Oct 6, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    I think we dodged a bullet to be frank.
    Roma took a chance on Rudiger and took him on loan with an option to buy.
    He’s only played 2 games out of 7 so far in Serie A

  • 5 Jib // Oct 6, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    Vfb Stuttgart must be laughing their cocks off

  • 6 jayphoto // Oct 6, 2015 at 11:46 AM

    Ed – I don’t think Santon was anywhere near Premier league standard to be honest. I’m not sure Haidara and Dummet are either. I’d take Dummett over the 3as he’s more of a solid player. It’s all good full backs getting forward but they should be able to defend too.
    I know his injured but I think a fit steven taylor would suit playing alongside Mbemba more than coloccini.
    Think Lascelles is a season or 2 off challenging for a place but has to be better than Williamson? And if anything would offer a huge threat from set pieces the guy is the best headerer of a ball I’ve seen

  • 7 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 6, 2015 at 11:46 AM

    Yes Colo is the problem. Yes, Carr is the problem. Yes, Charnley is the problem. Yes, Mike’s no-show horse is the problem. Yes, Makro’s poor pre-season preparation is the problem. What do you not understand about that, JIB? Seems quite straightforward to me.

  • 8 nufc 11 // Oct 6, 2015 at 11:48 AM

    Rudiger moved for 2.8million a German international centre back. Boyatta moved to Celtic for 1.8million Michael Keane was available for 3million now someone has missed a boat or a ship somewhere. Colo should be a back up not captain maybe mitro?can’t be any worse.

  • 9 jayphoto // Oct 6, 2015 at 11:50 AM

    I also don’t think you can blame McClaren for not signing another centreback. Theres no way he wouldn’t have wanted another. No way! I’m guessing it was a case of ‘you’re not getting one steve’ which meant he was stuck with Coloccini for the season. The one year extension put to bed any chance of Colo leaving. Lets be honest we’d be in more trouble now if Colo had left and no one else had come in

  • 10 Jib // Oct 6, 2015 at 11:52 AM

    Of course they are problems Blackley.
    Real men recognise the problems and deal with them and don’t whinge day after day like a girly about them , and give the characters they disapprove of silly schoolkid nicknames like Makro and Costco and refer to themselves in the 1st person.

  • 11 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Oct 6, 2015 at 12:09 PM

    Our problem was if Mclaren let Colo go then we did not/have not got a stand in captain- we haven’t even got a leader in the club so we will have to muddle through till the transfer window opens and hopefully we have someone lined up as we cannot go on the way we are.

    Me I would drop Colo for the Norwich game and make Krul captain.
    Bring in Williamson or Dummet to partner Mbemba.

    If the Watford game anything is to go by Deney bullied Colo and if Murray is playing up front for Norwich he will bully Colo

  • 12 lesh // Oct 6, 2015 at 12:09 PM

    Don’t blame McClaren for the fact that Colo’s still at SJP.

    I’ve no doubt that Charnley’s tried to be clever by giving Colo another year thinking that he’d be able to get more from Palace.

    Nice one Lee, another balls up.

  • 13 Blofal // Oct 6, 2015 at 12:14 PM

    My person theory is Colo was going to leave but McClaren wanted him to stay.

    I think McClaren thought it too much of a risk bringing in two brand new CB’s with no premier league experience. He thought he would bring in one (Mbemba) and retain Colo who was the best CB at the club – so Mbemba has time to get experience before another was bought in to partner him in the next 2 windows.

    And I actually agree that was probably a logical move. Him and the board thought Mbemba and Colo would get us through until summer – and we still had Taylor, Williamson, Lacaselles, Dummett and Janmaat to cover for an injury if needed.

    The problem has been things really did go pear shaped because Colo is bang out of form. Taylor and Dummett are injured, Williamson and Lacselles aren’t good enough to risk playing any more than the odd game – and Janmaat is our only attacking threat so needs to stay FB.

    Keeping Colo wasn’t a bad move. Not buying a good enough first team CB in the last 5 windows was the bad move.

  • 14 GEORDIE69 // Oct 6, 2015 at 12:19 PM

    Newcastle Uniteds current defence:(The word defence is obviosuly open to debate)

    RB Janmatt – INJURED
    RB Mbabu – INJURED
    LB Haidara – INJURED
    LB Dummett – INJURED
    CD Coloccini –
    CD Mbemba –
    CD Taylor – INJURED
    CD Williamson –
    CD Lascelles –
    CD Satka – INJURED

    Only around 150/200 million needed in January to save us from relegation. Keep the faith!

  • 15 ilovetoon8788 // Oct 6, 2015 at 12:20 PM

    Sissoko will struggle in a championship even. Nevermind wanting to play in champions league. What a loser and probably one of the poorest player this season.

  • 16 bettyswallocks // Oct 6, 2015 at 12:24 PM

    There are only so many options available to managers / coaches when it comes to setting up the team. If the players actually do possess some natural ability and skill then it’s obviously down to the coaching team to get them using it .

    Lack of commitment, desire, confidence and self belief all have to be factored in and to try and instill all of this is proving to be the problem for the 90 mins. duration.

    We have shown glimpses that there is a team in there as McClaren has observed but to get that winning mentality within the team is not easy with weak minded individuals.

    There is no point discussing Ashley’s, mis- management , greed and stubbornness until January when he will hopefully continue to spend on what we need to improve , which by now is blatantly obvious to most of us.

  • 17 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 6, 2015 at 12:37 PM

    Pleaee tell us more about what real men do. Better still, show us. I could trawl your posts to see but I think I’ll just sit back and wait for your prize gems arrive. You really are good value.

  • 18 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 6, 2015 at 12:43 PM

    Colo has been bang out of form (crap we call it in our house) for ages. A good manager coming in would’ve identified it. Did Makro not watch EPL football on Sky when he was at Derby? Even Academy youth team kids get videos of their contributions wirh PMA online.
    PMA online

  • 19 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 6, 2015 at 12:45 PM

    Old Blackley”s spelling is bang out of form.

  • 20 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 6, 2015 at 12:46 PM

    Not so much my spelling as my keyboard skills.

  • 21 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 6, 2015 at 12:53 PM

    I thought I’d seen it all until I saw Shirley Temple dive behind another player in case Aguerro’s shot him. And now we have JIB’s post @10. An all time blog classic.

    This blog should have a hall of classic blog quotes that bloggers can dip into from time to time for their amusement. JIB’s @ 10 is up there with the best. Is there some sort of Cloud service where I could cut out and keep my favourites?

  • 22 SUTTY1978 // Oct 6, 2015 at 12:55 PM

    does anyone still think that Camel Thauvin is a good signing?

  • 23 manxpie // Oct 6, 2015 at 12:57 PM

    One of the problems with colo is he hasn’t had a competent LB next to him since Enrique wats that 4 years!?
    Can’t be easy having to babysit the LB’s constantly

  • 24 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 6, 2015 at 12:58 PM

    Other clubs show plucky determination for 90 minutes. If they get beaten, it’s not for the want of trying. When we get beaten, we get walloped. The manager needs to instil regimental discipline. That doesn’t mean fancy suits from Cruise. That won’t fix it. Fancy suits are the problem, JIB.

  • 25 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:01 PM

    Camel Thauvin? I think your keyboard skills are out of form. Are you using a Samsung S4 per chance? Mine has me all over the shop. Samsung S4’s are not the problem at SJP, JIB.

  • 26 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:03 PM

    Camel? Is that a childish nickname? JIB will mark you down as not a real man if it is.

  • 27 bettyswallocks // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:08 PM

    Blackley …….Capitulation like that is obviously a mental issue which McClaren seems to recognise.

    Encouraging self- belief and getting players to express themselves combined with a will to win is the key. Black is supposed to be the man for the job. He is not the genius guru based on current results.

    Steve Black out!!

  • 28 Mister Tuff // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:10 PM

    Jib Jibberish (the blog pest) will get the hump on.

  • 29 spitfire_ // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:11 PM

    McClaren made three huge mistakes this summer – keeping Colo, Sissoko and Cisse.

    Charnley made one huge mistake – didn’t see a reason to invest in defence.

    This is the recipe for disaster, and the disaster is at place.

  • 30 bettyswallocks // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:19 PM

    I’m still inclined to give McClaren the benefit of the doubt until after the next window.
    To be fair he didn’t have a chance to assess the squad properly with a stupid pre season and he should now know the skill levels and characters of his players.

    To play under pressure and stick to the game plan for 90 mins. is proving the problem and he must cull the dead wood and find the right blend of players in January.

  • 31 lesh // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:21 PM

    “We intend to make an [managerial] appointment in a decisive and timely manner”

    Now who said that?

    Charnley or FSG?

  • 32 jimmysmith // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:23 PM

    Surely not moving on Tayls and Willo have been bigger gaffes. I think Colo has been one of our better players. A couple of brilliant games in there. MOM at Man U.Or doesn’t that count? He’s probably been our third or fourth best player so far.

  • 33 Munster Mag // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:23 PM

    I have to say that when he made that announcement, it said a lot of negative things to me about McClaren

  • 34 lesh // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:26 PM


    McClaren really ought to be given the final say in transfer matters.

    Foisting Carr’s buys on him or Pardew for that matter when he was with us, just doesn’t work.

    It’s .

    Managers have got to know and feel comfortable with players before they’re brought in.

    It’s clear that Carr’s buys haven’t all been in line with the needs of the squad and he should have his wings clipped. He’s obviously got too much influence.

  • 35 Munster Mag // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:28 PM

    One of the problems of this league ( for us ) , is that the standard has increased. Smaller clubs have decided that counter attacking football is the way to go, and there are few , if any genuinely weak teams. Sunderland were crap, but if they get Fat Sam, he will save them. We had better start hoping that Villa stay crap ( they will ) and Bournemouth weaken ( think they will ) , and maybe Watford and Makems. We only need 3 worse than us, but are there 3 ….? So much for mid table / 8th. Jeez that vision disappeared very quickly. It only seems a few weeeks ago that the players seemed happy under SMC and his new training and about 10 ex plauyers were lining up to tell us how good a coach he is . The club needs a win so badly its untrue. Its all about confidence it seems….

  • 36 LGFUAD21 // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:29 PM


    It was me that called you a dinosaur. You still are a dinosaur in my opinion.

    We were hardly going to change over night. It was always going to be a transitional season.

    Yes we’re rock bottom on GD. BUT we’ve also played the top 4 now and taken 2 points from them. We’ve hard the hardest run in by a country mile in the league with fixtures.

    Pardew is doing great at Palace because he is a decent manager. But he’s a Fat Sam. Give him old school wingers, grafters in midfield and a big man up top and he’ll deliver. That is not what he has here.

    I dont think our form can be blamed solely on the coaching team:

    1) The players are hugely letting them down but for some reason the actual guys that do the job can never be held accountable.

    2) We still dont have the right pegs in the right holes – No tall CB to complement Mbemba, No FB cover (for either of our NOW 2 injured FBs)

    3) No proven wingers – Thavin was an accident waiting to happen, just like I said Cabella was before we signed him. Obertan and Gouffy the less said the better. Which leaves us with our SAVIOUR?!?! Aarons.

    4) No tough tackling defensive midfielder to be seen in the squad (unless we are counting the shadow of the rock that used to be Tiote, happy to sit and pick up his fat paycheck).

    Signing 1 CB wont solve the issue. We need Wingers to create, midfielders to protect. I had a lot of faith in Carr but I think it’s clear he’s making stupid decisions these days.

  • 37 John Tudor // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:30 PM

    this was the position i immediately imagined at makros appointment

  • 38 ilovetoon8788 // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:31 PM


    Right now we are the worst team in this division by a mile. We might only stay up if other team decided to be worse than us. And that is asking too much. I don’t think it will happen and we will go down.

  • 39 LGFUAD21 // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:31 PM

    I can see the logic in having some way of ensuring your manager doesnt splooge money willy nilly but these transfer committees only work when you have exceptionally smart people leading them.

    Coaches can too often make stupid decisions but Transfer comittees will only work if they listen to the coaches requirements.

    Carr seems to do whatever he wants.

  • 40 LGFUAD21 // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:37 PM

    John Tudor

    You cant expect a manager to come in and suddenly turn things around in a matter of months.

    The club has a terrible culture (not helped by a team of soft minded mercenaries)
    The poor squad condition
    a new footballing philosophy being brought in.

    I have faith Mcclaren and Co can turn it around. I’m not concerned by our position. If we’re still there by Christmas then I will panic but change takes time.

  • 41 bettyswallocks // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:40 PM

    Lesh……. I think the transfer policy is becoming less rigid, if McClaren is on the board then surely he has some input on transfers. Like I said earlier he must now realise what he needs ans who he wants out. It remains to be seen how much influence he will have, but I think January will tell us a lot on several fronts.

  • 42 John Tudor // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:42 PM

    he knew what he was coming into, he was not my choice but i have given him the benefit of the doubt but only two more games.the total fault lies at ashleys door and his snakey money making out of the toon
    we are down

  • 43 John Tudor // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:44 PM

    and turning things around look at other clubs who replaced managers with an instant improvement
    so yes i can expect that

  • 44 John Tudor // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:46 PM

    and youve hit the nail on the head there
    The club has a terrible culture (not helped by a team of soft minded mercenaries)
    The poor squad condition

  • 45 loonie-toon // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:49 PM

    Wen have watched over prem games this season few teams have brought on youngsters and they have done well we must have some youngsters comming threw got to b worth a chance cart b any worse then some of players we have tbh.

  • 46 bettyswallocks // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:54 PM

    One ball winning midfield leader who can play a bit as well would change things a lot.

  • 47 John Tudor // Oct 6, 2015 at 1:54 PM

    unless he strips out the wheat from the chaff and replaces 40% of his squad which he cant we are screwed

  • 48 BandB // Oct 6, 2015 at 2:01 PM

    I notice lots of people who were arguing with all comers just a few months ago that we were a well-run club now arguing that we are so broken it will take years to fix.

  • 49 John Tudor // Oct 6, 2015 at 2:02 PM

    band b the only fix is get shot of the robbing fcb

  • 50 BandB // Oct 6, 2015 at 2:05 PM

    It’s a shameless volte-face Tudor, and designed to allow them to keep making the same old point…stop moaning and like it.

  • 51 bettyswallocks // Oct 6, 2015 at 2:07 PM

    Carrick would have been a great signing to orchestrate the midfield.

  • 52 John Tudor // Oct 6, 2015 at 2:22 PM

    benjamin brittain would have been better or even andre previn

  • 53 James RS // Oct 6, 2015 at 2:33 PM

    McClaren must go (past his best…good coach but poor tactically; he says new players need time to bed in plus we have had a difficult start…we only have 4 to fit in whereas most other teams have far more than we do to get acclimatised; take Watford for example., about 13. Palace’s start has been equally as difficult as ours and they are in the top four… I’m sure they will get at least a European place come \May. McLaren has been backed by Ashley why wasn’t Pardew?. I think with backing Pardew would have had us at least in Europe. He can always get the best out of a poor squad.

  • 54 Reyantoon // Oct 6, 2015 at 2:35 PM

    Is kets posted yet? I missed chuckling 🙂
    Thauvin barely played since signing for nufc.
    Why should he be written off?
    He still is adapting the new league.He looked good against Arsenal and the sub appearance against man utd.Against city,he came on when we were spanked by 4 or 5.The entire squad is in low confidence atm.He Should be given time until atleast January whether he is the right type of player for this fc!!

  • 55 bettyswallocks // Oct 6, 2015 at 2:37 PM

    Andre Previn could play a bit in his day mind.

  • 56 jayphoto // Oct 6, 2015 at 2:56 PM

    can’t write thauvin off just yet. Takes time to adapt etc, he has the skill to become an asset.

  • 57 jayphoto // Oct 6, 2015 at 2:57 PM

    Anyone seen Cabellas situation at Marseille? Tricky…
    His form has been shocking, absolutely awful and the Marseille fans hate him. They have to buy him after 12 apps (hes played 8) for 6m but they don’t want him. He basically faces a whole season on the sidelines after 11 games

  • 58 Mister Tuff // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:07 PM

    For me the shake up from the dream (nightmare) was when Wally announced that we were keeping Colo- with a contract extension.
    This was despite him not kicking a ball in pre-season – how could an assessment of him be made if he was inactive.
    Clearly other forces were at play – it was at this moment –when it was confirmed in my mind that perhaps things really had not changed despite great efforts to suggest otherwise and some very open PR stuff from Wally and the club (Dodgy emails and similar phrased interviews from players.
    Had Wally had his wings clipped – I think so.
    We had previously been told the club had made mistakes – I wonder -what mistakes and who made them. The club were asked about this at the last FF meeting and responded they didn’t want to dwell in the past -or that was the gist.
    So in reality we are being asked to support with blind faith.
    A little bit of openess as to what exactly is going on behind the scenes might allay fears.
    What a contrast – Liverpool going straight in for Klop and us pussying about getting Wally.

  • 59 cyprus // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:16 PM

    Colo getting eh.

    I am not sure it’s that simple. To me he ain’t that bad, but I never was a defender, used to skin them. All those people back there are crap really, except Mbemba who still needs work.

  • 60 chicousa // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:18 PM

    The clock is ticking on McClaren- don’t think he or his staff should be fired just yet. Let’s give him what he asked for, 10 games. But if we lose the next two then out with him! He has made several poor decisions: extending Colo’s contract, asking the team if they wanted Colo to continue as captain, starting Gouffran at DM (that one still baffles me!), not starting Rolando in first game of season even though he had clearly earned the start in preseason)…tick, tick, tick

  • 61 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:19 PM

    If you’ve ever played football, you will recognise the benefit of hard training, of running and doing other activities till you could spew. If you don’t do it, you know about it. You capitulate like we are doing. There’s nothing pre-historic about being as physically fit as you can be.

    It’s no good citing how we’ve gained a point here and a point there against the so called big teams. We’re rock bottom. Even big time Chelsea from whom we took one point are not far off us.

    You clearly rate ball skills. To see a noticeable improvement you need to put in a serious number of hours on your own on top of anything on the training ground. I watched that Rooney documentary and he looked a better player when he was younger. His skills haven’t improved. In fact, because it’s apparent that he’s not very comfortable on his left, he’s fairly predictable and the opposition have him worked out.

  • 62 Markyboy // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:20 PM

    The damage done by not having a centre forward that can hold the ball up has been massive, Cisse has been a disaster for too long and if Mitrovic doesn’t stay fit we are in real trouble. We MUST buy a similar type striker in Jan.

  • 63 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:21 PM

    Starting Gouffran anywhere on the field or even giving him a place on the bench baffles me.

  • 64 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:28 PM

    I recall the club side stepping the hard questions by saying they didn’t want to dwell in the past. The reason the questions were put was to make sure that the club had learnt its lessons from past mistakes. It preferred to brush over it and move on rather than do the necessary penance. Their hubris told me all I needed to know. I’ve no sympathy for them. You reap what you sow.

  • 65 chicousa // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:30 PM

    Aye Blackie! The fact that Gouffran is still on the squad escapes me! Another of SM’s poor decisions…

  • 66 jimiley // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:37 PM

    McClarens big mistake was coming here.
    Just been watching Sir Les and Big Al banging in the goals. What a joke club NUFC has become. The foreigners have no pride in the shirt and are “playing” for the dosh. Crap manager. Crap team. Crap owner. Crap scout. Crap Penfold. Apart from that, things are OK. But they will get worse.

  • 67 John Tudor // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:38 PM

    just been to the bog and had a crap crap

  • 68 John Tudor // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:39 PM

    could it of a been a below par poo

  • 69 Mister Tuff // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:46 PM

    Blackley – I think at the last FF meeting the club pulled a bit of a flanker by getting Wally to turn up and he blindsided the baying mob enough for the club to evade ne or two good questions. I think the lad who asked about the mistakes has packed it in and slagged off the club/forum in doing so. When you read the forum minutes – it still looks like a them and us/ bunker mentality.
    We are going to be lucky to get out of this mess.
    I still think if the FF were a bit more -in fact a lot more demanding with some quality questioning -with back up questions already prepared and not prepared to sign off minutes unless proper answers were given – it could become something of credit. But I’m not holding my breath.
    Why don’t the FF call an emergency meeting to demand some answers. We’ll be lucky to get out of the mire this season.

  • 70 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:46 PM


    Agreed I think fans have no idea whats in store…

    I feel for Mitro…lad always wanted to come here, saw interview with him wanting to emulate Shearer….

    Lad should move on and not waste talent…

  • 71 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:48 PM

    So Marseille dont want Cabella by the looks of things so what happens then ?

    Do we take him back in January ? Another player who doesn’t want to be here anymore!!

  • 72 jimiley // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:48 PM

    Klopp was available in the summer but would never come here. it sums up the massive lack of class and ambition between Liverpool and the Toon. We have become a club which is delighted to avoid relegation. You can only avoid it for so long and each season is a ballache. You can pay to watch it if you want.

  • 73 John Tudor // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:50 PM

    convert him to a left back
    left as far back as possible

  • 74 magpieboom_6 // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:51 PM

    They should’ve let Colo go or sold him. Why keep a guy around that clearly has not wanted to be with the club for the past 2-3 years. Between this summer and the desire to go home to his family, his talent does not warrant fighting him leaving. He’s slow and constantly out of position on the field. He can’t defend against quicker, more technical strikers and he’s not that great in the air. He makes a solid tackle maybe once per game.

  • 75 cyprus // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:53 PM

    We all have our favourite player hates, but in truth, who bar Perez could be saved from individual criticism if we choose to highlight their mistakes.
    I think that ‘favourite’ Sissoko isn’t that bad at all tbh, neither is Colback.
    He who is without sin can cast the first stone it says somewhere.

  • 76 usmagpie // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:56 PM

    Yet again we are missing the most valuable point here.
    Players respond to positive thinking, sorry but I know I go on about this but why when we play with two forwards do we look a better side? Lets look at the Man City game and the West Ham end of the season and Chelsea game a few weeks back. Two front men we won one to stay up and nearly beat the champions, Man City we played with one forward and got our butts kicked. Don’t get me wrong maybe with two forwards up front against Man City we could have still lost and we will never know. But if I am a player and I look at the set up and see how defensive we look well yes maybe my head will be like ” Great now we have to defend the whole game and get Lucky. When teams look at our formation they themselves arte thinking how many can we score and not worried about how many can Newcastle score. Look at the teams like Leicester and Watford winning games, nothing special about them but they both play with two forwards. Back in the day when Newcastle was a place no club wanted to visit we played with two forwards. It wasn’t the case of how many goals teams would score against us it was the case of how many teams would have to score more goals to keep up with us. Newcastle was a fortress with attacking style, yes we lost some but we won more, I do hope that Newcastle can get back to that way of thinking. Its working for teams in the premiership that have squads worth half or even less than Newcastle’s.
    Toon Army!!!

  • 77 jimiley // Oct 6, 2015 at 3:59 PM


    How much is our squad worth then? I wouldnt pay 50 cents for the whole lot.

  • 78 Jib // Oct 6, 2015 at 4:14 PM

    It’s like everyone’s hanging back nudging each other saying
    ” You tell him ”

    “No! you tell him ”

    USMagpie old chap we DID play with two up front the only change was Goofy for the Ginger Pirlo

  • 79 Ian Toon // Oct 6, 2015 at 4:15 PM

    This is a special announcement – reading the blog is fast becoming plain boring.
    Just please Stop the lily livered defeatist talk.

    For those whom have resigned themselves to relegation read know further.

    Those of you still on board. Just have a look at the Premier League Table on Monday 29th December 2014 – after 19 games. Look where Leicester City were and then look at the final league table after 38 games. You see everything is possible JUST KEEP THE FAITH – support the toon.
    Thanks for your time.

  • 80 Jib // Oct 6, 2015 at 4:22 PM

    Well said Ian
    There’s not many on here I would choose to man a sangar with in Kojaki.

  • 81 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 6, 2015 at 4:36 PM

    Ian…I am not a lemming! I don’t just support and smile…

    …the unpleasant thing Abou me is that I make demands and I question things. Even subjective journalism…just ask BandB!

  • 82 hibbit // Oct 6, 2015 at 4:40 PM

    ian … KEEP THE FAITH as in the last 8 years just feed on the scrapes …..well that might be good enough for you but not for me

  • 83 BandB // Oct 6, 2015 at 4:51 PM

    Pastor Ian

    You must feel like one of those messianic cranks who predict the end of the world do the day after it hasn’t happened.
    I’m still waiting to be lifted to the brave new world on a cloud.
    What happened?
    You are rather fond of telling other posters what to write about aren’t you?….special one.

  • 84 BandB // Oct 6, 2015 at 4:53 PM


    You are hard as nails, but never unpleasant, pet lamb.

  • 85 GeordieTwo // Oct 6, 2015 at 4:56 PM

    The system we have in place seems very much like the transfer committee that people are complaining about in Liverpool. A transfer committee? For me whatever we’re doing isn’t working and there’s no doubt about that. Extend Colo’s contract? Madness. He was finished a couple of seasons ago, wanted away and is definitely not a leader. One incoming CB with Colo, Saylor, and Willo still in the squad? Again, madness. None of them are up to it. But we have loads of money to go chasing young, inexperienced foreign midfielders and wingers. Until the club have a proper structure we won’t progress whatsoever and may be relegated this season.

  • 86 BandB // Oct 6, 2015 at 4:57 PM


    15 of the 23 teams who have been bottom of the Premier League after eight games have been relegated. Two thirds.
    That may appear to most sane people as a simple fact, but as I haven’t quoted my source, it logically entails to jesper that it is therefore made up.

  • 87 JamesToon // Oct 6, 2015 at 4:59 PM

    Anyone know if Janmaat is out of the norwich game

  • 88 RUNAWAY777 // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:01 PM

    Ian that was Leicester this is Newcastle where talking about Leicester wanted to win games the difference is we don’t want to win any games

  • 89 GeordieinOhio // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:01 PM

    Ian……I am 43 years old and I have supported Newcastle since I can remember , which honestly is probably around 36ish years in which time I have seen them win nothing.
    to call supporters “lily livered defeatists” and tell people to “keep the faith” come on now! …..have we not been faithful enough, especially over the last 8 years when the fans have been treated like dirt, with next to nothing invested into the team you can not blame supporters for being so angry.

  • 90 GeordieTwo // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:01 PM

    The league table doesn’t lie. 20th place. We are shocking. The club is a disaster thanks to Ashhole. The structure hasn’t worked in the past and doesn’t work now. Charnley oot!!! Ashhole oot!!!!

  • 91 BandB // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:01 PM


    I would choose you.

  • 92 GeordieTwo // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:02 PM

    We have won 1 of our last 16 league games going back to last year. That is the definition of failure. Ashhole oot!!!!

  • 93 jimiley // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:04 PM


    Its called blind faith. There is a God at the Toon and he is called Mike Ashley. Trust in Him and all your dreams will come true. His archangels are Schteeve and Penfold and Graham and they make everybody feel good about themselves and the team. Happy days!!!!

  • 94 GeordieTwo // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:05 PM

    I’m quite upset BandB. You never call me pet lamb. I mean is that fair??? Here I am doing my best for the club. Bringing loads of top class interviews with Steve, Hobbit mailbag reports, advice for the lads on being manly etc. etc…. It’s hurtful BandB, that’s what it is…. Even a manly man wants a little support now and then…..Harrumph

  • 95 Munster Mag // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:05 PM

    Tuff, I wouldnt worry about Klopp. We might have had a chance of getting him 10 years ago ( if you know what I mean ) but not now . Its just not a runner unless Ashley decides to start spending huge cash on transfers. These guys have reputations, and two years spent working with Tiote and Sissoko wud ruin his fine coaching reputation. Look what happened to your mate pardew. As soon as he got out of NUFC ( and people who said he didnt have the balls to resign were wrong – again ) , he improved because he is coaching motivated players who suit his defensive/counter attacking game.

  • 96 RUNAWAY777 // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:05 PM

    Up to 3 years ago I had been gone for 43 years so no tell me iam not a support all that I seen good team and bad times but this time is just pure shit lads

  • 97 JamesToon // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:06 PM

    If we can’t convincingly beat norwich and win the derby then i do think that will put the nail in the coffin for mcclaren.

    IMO he’s made many mistakes, but a lot of them were not his fault.

    Mcclaren’s fault:
    – Giving colo a new contract
    – Playing the likes of gouffran, sissoko, anita, obertan and cisse
    – not giving wijnaldum a more pivotal role in midfield as there is no creativity atm

    Charnley/Carr/Ashley’s fault:
    – Not strengthening the team in terms of quality, players for the system, or graft or fight.
    – Not replacing players like gouffran, williamson, obertan, coloccini, haidara, cisse

    This is what we’re missing in the team in terms of the system:
    – A commanding and solid CB to complement mbemba
    – Backup for janmaat
    – Quality left back
    – Quality playmaker in cabaye mould
    – 2 Quality out and out wingers who can make good deliveries
    – A pacey striker who will get goals (however mitro and perez making a good partnership)

  • 98 Average_Contents // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:10 PM

    Haha at Jeffery in a sangar with a can of special lol

  • 99 hibbit // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:11 PM

    BandB watch ya back he’s from pennywell bound to try and mug you

  • 100 Munster Mag // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:12 PM

    Jay, its because of signings like Cabella than I blame so much of our sh1t situation on Carr. I dont know what type of character analysis goes into his research on players but it clearly isnt enough. Thats why we end up with nonces like Mbiwa and Cabella who dont suit the english league. Of course every club makes errors, but smaller clubs like watford and Leicester are not paying 12 mill per player for their competitive speedsters. I have been banging the drum about Carr for a year now but at least his last signings were good – credit where is due for Mitro, Wini and Mbemba. I think the solution to this is to bring forward most of our summer spending to January, but we will only do that if SMC shows he can be trusted and he only has about 8 weeks to do that. If we gain less than 50% points of our next 4 games we can safely say we are dead meat in this division.

  • 101 GeordieTwo // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:12 PM

    So we only need 7 more new quality players JamesToon mate? I agree. And get rid of the riff raff we’ve been paying for ages now as well. Out with Tiote, Colo, Willo, Saylor, Obertan, and Cisse. Also sell Anita (too small by far), Dummett (too slow to be a LB), and Bigi (hopless now).

  • 102 Ian Toon // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:12 PM

    Geordiein Ohio- You only fail as a supporter if you give up. I have seen enough of the toon to believe we can rise like a phoenix.

  • 103 GeordieTwo // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:14 PM

    Sack the lot of them! Sack the owner and his lackeys!!! No, no wait…. Pee in their back pockets, fong them repeatedly and then sack them!!!! Yes, that’s it…..That’s what we should do…..

  • 104 BandB // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:15 PM

    Are you having visions these days Ian?

  • 105 Ian Toon // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:15 PM

    jimiley- Forgive me but I have always viewed you as someone who’s beaten before you start.

  • 106 GeordieTwo // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:15 PM

    But first the phoenix bursts into flames and plummets to the ground Ian Toon. That’s what we’re doing under Ashhole.

  • 107 Munster Mag // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:17 PM

    Tuff, again, thats why I blame Carr a lot. His is the real footballing influence at the top tier in the club, and is said it all when SMC said ” I have seen the plans for the next couple of seasons ” . Carr has been mapping out the players we will sign. Re Colo, as u say who was injured – I was amazed and frustrated by SMC’s dumb decision. Was it forced on him ? Who knows. All Colo seems to do is organise a good BBQ for the lads. They must love the steak cooking he learned in Argentina

  • 108 Average_Contents // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:17 PM

    Pathetic little worm really aren’t you.

    Funny that isn’t it as I thought it was Jeffery who’d had a bfpo and not jib.

    Bullshitters been caught. Again.

  • 109 Ian Toon // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:18 PM

    You also can’t serve God and mammon.

  • 110 GeordieTwo // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:18 PM

    What’s a Blog Hobbit to do? I invite some of my hobbit friends over to Blog End to put their feet up, smoke a nice pipe, and watch the Man City game. What happens? They eat me out of house and home, drink all my nice lager and laugh at me club!!! 6-1 and I have to try to defend us to that lot!!! No wonder I’m wearing my Thong of Utter Desolation……

  • 111 Mister Tuff // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:19 PM

    Wow – a special announcement by Ian Toon.
    I immediately thought he’s coming clean about his rampant blog mischief over the last couple of years.
    But alas no – it was just another crank outburst calling people who do not agree with him -lily livered. Probably those who questioned his failed coined phrase of “Maccas’ bwave new world”.

    I now have a picture in my mind of this pesky miscreant – a cross between Lilly Savage and Norman Bates.
    Norman -get back to the motel mommas’ waiting.

  • 112 Mister Tuff // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:20 PM

    Special Announcement.
    Ian Toon is a knacker.

  • 113 Jib // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:20 PM

    B and B
    You’d be very wise
    I’m valiant as f@ck

  • 114 GeordieTwo // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:21 PM

    We are truly the Norwegian Blues. Lying on the bottom of the cage, legs up in the air with the owner staring in concern……

  • 115 BandB // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:23 PM


    You’re not that Bitterest Pillock Paul Weller ever had to swallow or you?

  • 116 BandB // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:24 PM

    Ah…..THAT’S what Jam tomorrow means…..

  • 117 GeordieTwo // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:26 PM

    But we’re not dead yet you say? We have 3 points you point out……Hmmmm. Has anyone really seen any signs of life this season? Three draws. And we gave up a 2 goal lead against Chelsea at home to get one of them. Got beaten badly by average sides and poor sides (Wednesday in the cup comes to mind and Watford at home). I think we’ve hit rock bottom now….The feathers are falling off this organization!!!!

  • 118 GeordieinOhio // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:30 PM

    Ian, so fans who have given up, because they are tired of throwing their hard earned money at a club that does not care, they are failures?? so with that sentence in mind that obviously means the players are failures, because they give up at every opportunity… “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

  • 119 Munster Mag // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:34 PM

    Ohio, you havent given up. You know that in your heart. Its just the way we are. We may well go down, but keep the faith anyway mate.

  • 120 Mister Tuff // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:37 PM

    munster trouble is we haven’t a clue about the board and how it works etc. Was Wally here when we decided to get the last bunch of players -did he have any input -was it aready organised/being organised.
    You would always think the coach could have the last laugh by not picking players he did not want. Can he do that. Will old man Carr side with Wally in a vote as to who they get – can Penfold veto the rest of the boards suggestions – will Tubbs veto anything.
    We just do not know – so in the absence of further details I take the position they are all responsible.

  • 121 GeordieTwo // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:38 PM

    Well said GeordieinOhio @118.

  • 122 GeordieinOhio // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:39 PM

    Munster, absolutely right its in our blood,

  • 123 Ian Toon // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:46 PM

    Geordiein Ohio – when you become a supporter you don’t get to resign!
    We’ll talk in happier times.

  • 124 LGFUAD21 // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:47 PM

    Nothing wrong with being fit per se

    But if you spend all your training on conditioning you run players into the ground and end up with a team that can graft but not play.

    That’s why England is behind the rest of Europe. We have this mentality where it all about running.

    On the continent they are injured less because they don’t run players into the ground.

    Only now are we seeing a group of intelligent players in the England team. Is it a surprise that these players are being coached by progressive and mainly foreign managers at club level. I stress group as England has had individuals in the past.

  • 125 angelswithdirtyfaces // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    Ian ….. “lily livered defeatist”

    Sounds like a American general in the Vietnam War.. And guess what Ian – they did get beat….

    If B&B has suggested that 2 teams of 3 in our position now are relegated after 38 games (15/23 ) then you’d better believe it and hope Macca can turn it round pretty quick to be the 9th in 24 teams to survive. Maybe for the defeatists it is a triumph of experience over hope. Call it realism

  • 126 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:57 PM

    BandB…that’s where it always go wrong with you isn’t it…we all fall short somewhere!

  • 127 GeordieinOhio // Oct 6, 2015 at 5:59 PM

    Ian , Honestly the last happy time i had with Newcastle was taking my son to the Toon Vs Spurs game, we won 7-1 1999, my son was 5……I fear we have a long way to go before those days are back.

  • 128 toon kk // Oct 6, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    We will go down, but let’s hope I’m wrong.
    Every game we loose we’re falling further and further behind. This season has been coming for a long time. Colo has to take a large responsibility, turning his back and jumping out the way so he doesn’t get hurt by the ball, what sort of a message is that?
    There’s definitely a loosing mentality at the club along with flops letting us down.
    A few good bollockings wouldn’t go amiss.

  • 129 chicousa // Oct 6, 2015 at 6:06 PM

    Great assessment of team and current state of affairs! My only comment would be that I think we have a good winger in Aaron’s, if SM would ever truly give him a chance and start him. Thauvin may come around and may not…We shall see as the blind man says…

  • 130 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 6, 2015 at 6:10 PM

    I can’t recall what that lad was asking at the fans forum, but I do remember thinking that the questions should be addressed. If you don’t analyse your balls ups and you rush to sweep your embarrassments under the carpet, you learn nothing and you continue to make blunders.

    How can you trust the same bunch who, in their wisdom and through their best efforts, almost got us relegated? Surely, the bulls lugs whose mismanagement took us to the last day of the season should have been out the door with Carver and Stone. Instead they stayed to compound their errors, getting rid of Cabella at a cut price to pay over the odds for Thauvin when that position was the least priority.

    The vast majority of fans did not want Makro but Charnley and Carr were determined to get him, leaving Carver in charge. They were supposedly doing their reams of homework to get the right man, all the while the ship was sinking.

    The fans were expecting a player clear out with Willo leading the way. They knew that wholesale imports were needed and many shook their heads at the idea that three additions and a flop swap would be adequate preparation. Can you imagine anyone thinking we were well prepared to challenge in this league with the prizes on offer this season?

    I’m not surprised the lad jacked in the fans forum when the club showed such disdain to his genuine attempts to address the problems. It’s not a talking shop in the spirit of cooperation and positivity with the aim of club advancement and improvement. It strikes me as no more than a disingenuous PR exercise. I hope they’re squirming now.

  • 131 hibbit // Oct 6, 2015 at 6:14 PM

    blackley……… that one…….a flop swap…….love it

  • 132 toon kk // Oct 6, 2015 at 6:15 PM

    What could be a major problem is MA may accept defeat and decide not to spend more in January and hang onto our duds ready for life in the championship.

  • 133 Tsunki // Oct 6, 2015 at 6:16 PM

    You know I always thought jib was a childish nickname but I thought it a bit too petty to mention…. oh what the heck.

    Ian, your point missing skills are enviable. You are extolling faith, but in what, exactly? I’d like to know what vision unfolds before your eyes as you gaze hopefully into the clear blue sky. I’d love to know the masters’ plan, do tell. I don’t think we’re guilty of the defeatism and resignation you ascribe. We’re actually promoting a reaction to the cynical institution beung fostered at our club. I think it’s pretty positive.

  • 134 usmagpie // Oct 6, 2015 at 6:17 PM

    Jib old Chap, Sorry but the formation was a 4-4-1-1.
    Which means Perez playing between the midfield and the lone forward. When we played Chelsea a few weeks back it was two forwards with a 4-4-2 formation same as the West Ham game at the en of the season.
    This 4-4-1-1 formation does not work, well it hasn’t done all year.

  • 135 Tsunki // Oct 6, 2015 at 6:26 PM

    Give it a chance for goodness sake, usamagpie, give it a chance. Keep the faith!

  • 136 Reyantoon // Oct 6, 2015 at 6:27 PM

    When asked what he intends to do in the next few weeks, McClaren said:

    “Whatever it takes.“I have seen in the last two weeks, especially with our system and shape,that we can win football matches.“We were unlucky against Chelsea and who knows what could have happened at half-time (at City) if we’d been 2-0 up.“There is enough in there.“We need consistency but we’ve had a tough start.
    “Now, with eight games gone, our season begins now.”

    Meanwhile, Paul Dummett has returned to training and is likely to start against the Canaries in the next game with Kevin Mbabu now joining a host of players on the sidelines through injury. Gabriel Obertan, Steven Taylor, Rolando Aarons, Jack Colback, Manu Riviere, Massadio Haidara and Karl Darlow are also injured.

  • 137 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 6, 2015 at 6:32 PM

    No one would advocate you spend all your time on conditioning training. But in pre-season the benefits are enormous. You have to do that part to compete on a level playing field. The benefits per hour spent are far more in comparison to practising with the ball. You get fighting fit and after that you make sure you maintain it.

    You cite progressive coaches in England. Let’s see England achieve something first. Players should be working on their big weaknesses in their technical skills, the major one of which is their one footedness.

    There are no signs that coaches have identified the things that need to be addressed. We’ve had foreign coaches in our game for years. English clubs are getting weaker. The national team is a failure. No question.

  • 138 welshgeordie9 // Oct 6, 2015 at 6:44 PM

    I don’t know why a lot on here are panicking over where we are in the league, next couple of matches we can easily win, unlucky so far this season, should have won a few just like I said just been unlucky.

  • 139 Ian Toon // Oct 6, 2015 at 6:45 PM

    Tsunki- I was going to throw my hat into the room before I entered. It’s not blind faith .I have always had an inbuilt confidence in what I perceive in our play. I thought Jib was spot on regarding the two first halves against Chelsea and ManC. I can rationalise situations to the extent of an inner believe that we will do better.. Football is so much about confidence and when we were relegated I did not see Shearer as our saviour; it was too late.
    I see winning home games as the key to survival and that’s where the fans come in. Bobbybee x 50,000. Stop worrying it’s counterproductive.
    Everything is riding on survival and progress for Macca and Ashley. If we were to be relegated we would find it infinitely more difficult to get back up. Macca is working and I am told undertaking a root and branch review of the club. Stemming from which he and Carr have already drawn up a list of potential January signings.
    Regards to Belfast. It’s going to be alright

  • 140 Ian Toon // Oct 6, 2015 at 6:47 PM

    Welsh- You tell them!

  • 141 welshgeordie9 // Oct 6, 2015 at 6:52 PM


    I’m with you and jib (as always) on this one, panic to easily.

  • 142 Average_Contents // Oct 6, 2015 at 6:57 PM

    The link has now emerged….

  • 143 Mister Tuff // Oct 6, 2015 at 7:01 PM

    Les Trois Bouffons.

  • 144 Mister Tuff // Oct 6, 2015 at 7:03 PM

    The bog pest, the master multiple and the fool from the Valleys – what a team.

  • 145 Mister Tuff // Oct 6, 2015 at 7:07 PM

    Blackley – I subscribe to the theory (conspiracy possibly) that the club were after Wally as soon as King Percy left and all the Carver stuff was invented to cover the period up to the summer as Wally did not want to leave Derby any earlier -despite a couple of tries to get him to leave earlier.
    That was their vision – bloody Wally and certainy no international top quality managers. They got their man!

  • 146 welshgeordie9 // Oct 6, 2015 at 7:11 PM

    Mister Tuff

    Very good attacking team

    Ian toon Welshie Jib

    That’s a good strike force

    Ha ha ha

  • 147 Jib // Oct 6, 2015 at 7:17 PM

    Mr Tuff
    You can carry our kit
    You must wash your hands first though

  • 148 Ian Toon // Oct 6, 2015 at 7:23 PM

    Geordiein Ohio- It was 1997 I was at the same game as an 8 year old.
    Keegan quit as manager soon afterwards. Like your son as a kid I thought we would alwAys be a top side- beating lesser teams like Spurs. Happy days .

  • 149 Ian Toon // Oct 6, 2015 at 7:24 PM

    Sounds like an episode from Dad’s Army.

  • 150 Ian Toon // Oct 6, 2015 at 7:30 PM

    Blockers and Tuffers talking about Simmo, Willo Billo, Fracca, Tracka and ……..
    Riveting ….

  • 151 GeordieinOhio // Oct 6, 2015 at 7:37 PM

    Ian sorry it was the FA Cup game 6-1

  • 152 Mister Tuff // Oct 6, 2015 at 7:42 PM

    Norman – get back to the motel mommas’ waiting.
    Hoy fool – get back under the bridge.

  • 153 welshgeordie9 // Oct 6, 2015 at 7:51 PM

    Change the record.

  • 154 Ian Toon // Oct 6, 2015 at 7:52 PM

    Geordiein Ohio- It was a good time. Kids need to be winners.

  • 155 angelswithdirtyfaces // Oct 6, 2015 at 7:56 PM

    Let’s hope the management is more enlightened at SJP – mind you it’d go some way to explain our injury list.

  • 156 SuperShearer // Oct 6, 2015 at 8:19 PM

    I’m confused by the whole Sissoko thing. He keeps banging on about leaving for a Champ League club. Yet how many offers did we reject over the summer from him? From any club, irrelevant of Champ League status? I understand a player having ambition, admire it even, but he needs to prove he’s worthy of a Champ League team because from where I’m sitting; not even close, in fact wonder if he should be dropped from a team rooted to the bottom of the Premiership.

  • 157 usmagpie // Oct 6, 2015 at 8:40 PM

    Tsunki I have been keeping the faith since I was a Bairn.
    Always keeping the faith but I have to admit sometimes its hard when we keep on trying the same old stupid shit and only it seem the people on this site knows how to fix it. We should have though fixed this in July with two quality CB’S and Austin in for Cisse. That would have helped us out greatly. Just imagine say Joel Matip and Mbemba at CB with Austin and Mitro up front. Now that would look amazing, keeping the faith, hope that happens in January.

  • 158 SPRINGY // Oct 6, 2015 at 8:57 PM

    evening all
    if we are still struggling by jan gettin players in will be twice as hard,things have got to change for the better now in the next few games especially,the players need to have word with themselves coz if they dont sort themselves out no one else will…and we’ll be out of sight by january and that will not attract quality players just more mediocre money grabbers

  • 159 JamesToon // Oct 6, 2015 at 9:02 PM

    Was watching the highlights against City, was just wondering, I didn’t see Cathro with the staff or on the touchline? Anyone know where he was? Or am I just blind?!

  • 160 JamesToon // Oct 6, 2015 at 9:04 PM

    Also would like to see Lascelles and Aarons given a chance against Norwich unless they’re injured lol

  • 161 toon kk // Oct 6, 2015 at 9:08 PM

    MA may even cut his losses come January if we are so far behind, spending mils might be to late, especially with our poor scouting.

  • 162 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Oct 6, 2015 at 9:13 PM


    I never saw Cathro either hes probably decided to escape….

    He must be thinking what the hell is happening? The guys career has been on a crazy upward spiral to then come here and potentially ruin a year !

    Mclaren has got to shake it up Colo or Sissoko have to be dropped against Norwich but I doubt they will I think Colo might get “injured” so he misses the Sunderland game again

  • 163 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Oct 6, 2015 at 9:14 PM

    Also who is going to want to sign for us in January if we are cut adrift ?

    No one would be daft enough to sign unless on stupid wages which we would not pay anyway

  • 164 Shearers finger // Oct 6, 2015 at 9:49 PM

    Breaking… Morgan Amilfanto (spelling!) has been released from West Ham for falling out with Bilic. We’ve been connected in the past…. I’d be happy to see him here, shame he cant play fullback!!

  • 165 lochinvar // Oct 6, 2015 at 9:55 PM

    All the talk of CB’s and Colo reminds me – why didn’t we go for Van Dijk when we had a chance.

    How’s he doing for Southampton ?

    Did we miss the boat there ? Might have made a difference.

  • 166 Tsunki // Oct 6, 2015 at 10:09 PM

    Usamagpie I was being a bit sarcastic you know 🙂

    Ian, unlike jeff (teachers nark) and welshgeordie (Wumry from Cymru) you at least rationalise and set out marker posts for your opinion, so I don’t actually put you into the Axis of Earache with those two. But I still don’t see this spring where you draw this magic elixir of optimism from. Surely after a year of the same dire jigging surely we should be asking what is actually going to be squeezed out of the rear end of this behemoth. At rock bottom and with no team we can say for sure we can beat, what points to imminent success? At what point do we say it’s not working? When we are relegated? Finish in the bottom six? No cups again?

  • 167 Our Toon // Oct 6, 2015 at 10:19 PM

    We are the only fans in the league that rate Charlie Austin, I wonder how many have actually seen him play live. He can’t hold the ball up, his passing isn’t good, he’s shite with his back to goal but he’s decent at scoring goals, he’s got goals in the championship this season but he’s not the standout player for them, 2 of his goals have come from shots which went under the keepers dive.

    15m for a player in the final year if his contract and more importantly for a player who offers as much as cisse in team build up. For players like Cisse and Austin you need to create chances, you need grafters with them, more importantly you need to be an attacking threat, if Austin were to join then Perez would be dropped, Austin would be as successful as Cisse if not less successful. Watch the lad play live then give us your thoughts on him!! Says alot that he’s English and yet no one took a punt on him for 15m.

  • 168 Our Toon // Oct 6, 2015 at 10:23 PM

    James toon

    Laschelles was sleeping for Aguero’s last goal, he watched him run past and reacted to late, the lad was pants last season in the championship. The last thing we want is to throw him in.

    Aarons is as fit as SDJ but no one complains about Aarons though, wonder why that is. At 19 or 20 the lad can’t stay fit for longer than 2 games, doesn’t bode well for him. He needs to prove his fitness otherwise he’ll be another Dyer.

    In my opinion both shouldn’t be playing!!

  • 169 toon kk // Oct 6, 2015 at 10:39 PM

    Our toon
    I have to agree with you regarding Austin, I think it’s a case of Newcastle fans grasping at a answer to our problems. Many would sign anyone just for the sake of a new face through the door.

  • 170 Jail for Ashley // Oct 6, 2015 at 11:01 PM

    When somebody I s worrying about the price of a player in the final year of his contract rather than just the price then they have the same mindset as the sorry lot running our club right now, which as we all know has us sitting very unprettily at the bottom of the prem, maybe it was about me to take a risk on a proven prem scorer who might have wanted to be here !

  • 171 lovey // Oct 7, 2015 at 6:49 AM

    watching colo turn his back when the forward was taking a shot at goal did it for me when you see the top team CB,s face up to the ball often chesting it away and saving a goal replace him

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