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Sam Allardyce Vents About Newcastle Fans

9:56 am, Sunday, October 11th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 110 Comments

Who would be a Premier League manager these days?

With the Internet and social media widely available now, those fairly new media outlets are used by football fans and anybody else to vent about football – and if things are not going well at any clubs some of the criticism is vicious – and I´m being kind.

sam allardyce

Sam Allardyce – new Sunderland manager

How many times do you see Twitter wars going on with various people – it´s happening all the time here in  the US at the moment with the Republican presidential candidates.

Donald Trump in particular seems to smash anybody who doesn´t agree with him – which is not exactly being presidential.

But I´m being picky.

Such is the modern world we suppose.


Sam Allardyce has just been appointed Sunderland manager and if anybody can get Sunderland safe this season it´s probably big Sam, who gets criticized but the man can deliver results when it´s necessary.

Sam will bring in former Newcastle caption Kevin  Nolan, who´s a free agent at the moment,  to help him turn around the dressing room.

Kevin is waning a bit on the pitch, but he´s a real leader in every sense of the word and will only help Sam turn things around at the Black Cats.

Sunderland fans seem pleased with the appointment and so they should be because bis Sam is a savvy manager dedicated to the job.

But Sam was criticized big time at Newcastle when he was at the club for a short eight months from May of 2007 until he as fired the following January.

This is what big Sam has said in the Sun today:

“When I was at West Ham my wife, Lynne, would constantly read the supporters’ website to see what new insults were being fired.”

“It upset her but she couldn’t keep away from the screen.” “Now she’s been reading the Sunderland fans’ site and she tells me the reaction has been very positive, which makes me feel very excited to get going.”

“It’s nice to be loved. But at West Ham and at Newcastle I was faced by passionate fans that made themselves heard if they weren’t happy.”

“It wasn’t just me at West Ham, it was every manager that was there.”  “I got it because I was the manager at that time but before that they moaned about Avram Grant, Alan Curbishley, Alan Pardew and Harry Redknapp.”

“Look at Alan Pardew now and how his career has transformed.” “They gave him a hard time at Newcastle and he moved to Crystal Palace where the fans love him and the turnaround has been scary.”

It´s not good news for Sam that his wife Lynne is reading the web sites because things can get very nasty on those sites on and Twitter and Facebook.

Sam will be called things she never even thought possible.


Notice Sam doesn´t read them!

The only thing we are interested in is that we can break the five game losing streak to Sunderland in a couple of weeks time.

Another defeat in that game would be too much to take.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Coaching · Newcastle News · Premier League · Press

110 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Rotonda heights // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    Ah the joy Sam has brought to the beautiful game.
    How he would wow them at Madrid!!!

    How is it we have managed to employ this oaf and any number of deluded mediocre Brit/English managers who preach long ball defensive football with no plan B.

    None of them (SA, AP and SM) should get anywhere near a job with a club with 52000 home fans!!!

  • 2 Rotonda heights // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:08 AM


    it always annoys me when failing managers say they never read the papers or websites.

    Maybe they are incapable, but if they did they may try altering things instead of ploughing on in their own inflexible , I know best, egoistic fashion.

  • 3 Jail for Ashley // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:18 AM

    Klopp, FDB and that French bloke we were heavily linked with earlier this year would have been great but for one they would not come here and two the hierarchy do not want them here, I think it’s now been shown that is not down to the manager but the people who are employing them, it’s all very well saying that a better manager could have this squad top eight but it’s completely hypothetical as we can’t attract any other managers than washed out has beens desperate to restart their careers at any cost. Yet another mark of MA business practices, flagging brands on the way out bought on the cheap with his terms and conditions strictly adhered to.

  • 4 lesh // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    One things assured and that is like him or not, he’ll not take Sunderland down.

    That’s something that Ashley needs to recognise and that the odds on NUFC being relegated have increased. He must act now to get a manager in who’ll at least protect his investment.

    Maybe he needs to bring Llambias in to mind the shop after he’s put Charnley back into his old role.

  • 5 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    Sam ‘smash the ball up the pitch and chase after it’ Allardyce.

    Many of the fans on our feet singing and pointing “You don’t know what you’re doing” is still fresh in the memory.

    Another football style.

  • 6 lesh // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:25 AM

    Repost from previous thread:


    It’s only recycled, failed Brits because it suits Ashley’s ambition to avoid relegation and attract the Prem money.

    However, even he must see that by running the club on the cheap and appointing an ill-equipped MD and board, he’s risking it again.

    He must also see that when Rodgers goes to Villa, there’s no-one available to replace him and take us forward. No doubt Cathero’ll be considered pro-tem but there lies the real risk of a Carver inspired recovery…. Or not!

  • 7 BandB // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:25 AM

    Did anyone see the report that court-bound Dave Forsey has resigned after 10 years as company secretary of Mash Holdings, the holding company through which Mike Ashley administers his interests in Newcastle United and Sports Direct?

  • 8 Jib // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    I hope Kathryn McClaren doesn’t read what the morons on here say.

    Kathryn dear , don’t worry the vast majority on here are pillocks whose knowledge of footy could be written on a soup label.

  • 9 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Ed, Carver, SM and AP weren’t safe bets. Their liability was very high due to their lack of success, sackings, and recent failed appointments elsewhere.

    If you put a flat tyre on a car, don’t wonder why you’re having a bumpy ride and struggling to drive in a straight line. Put a new tire on and do all you can to maintain it.

  • 10 lesh // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:30 AM


    If the MASH Holdings Secretary job’s up for grabs, it might suit Charnley – or then again, I can’t see Ashley trusting him in that bit of his empire.

  • 11 Laurent Robert 32 // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:30 AM


  • 12 Jail for Ashley // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:34 AM

    Without a reliable search engine your knowledge on anything could be written on the back of a Shreddie !

  • 13 Jib // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:37 AM

    Leave my underwear out of this !!!!!

  • 14 Jib // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:39 AM

    Jail tell us again how you first started hating Ashley when he personally got shot of James Milner
    Ha ha ha
    You prat ha ha ha

  • 15 The overrated Frenchman // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:39 AM

    Pardew revisionists. McClaren acolytes. You get all types on here don’t you?

  • 16 BandB // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:46 AM


    I think he trusts him to follow instructions and that’s all.

  • 17 Graeme // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:50 AM

    Scum have signed a manager to keep them in the Premier Leage, NUFC signed a manager to fit the flawed ambitions of the owner.

    Ashley wants a “Yes Man” who will do and say what he is told, but with enough football knowledge to supplement the clueless Penfold.

    As long as we stay in the division, Ashley will be delighted as the tv money continues to pour into his coffers. Win a Cup? Your’e having a laugh!!

  • 18 Jail for Ashley // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:53 AM

    When the business genius behind the scenes decided it was just as easy to issue a statement saying we wanted to win a cup as it was to say we didn’t want to win one, they thought they were onto a winner.

  • 19 Jib // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:53 AM


    “You get all types on here don’t you?”

    You certainly do.

    People who feign support for NUFC for years yet in daily exchanges give themselves away.

    My personal favourite is George Caulkin (bless his little smoggy socks) had a phrase “The cathedral on the hill”

    Real toon fans NEVER call it that .
    Yet folk on here do !

    If you approach SJP from the North (Gosforth way) or East (the Coast Byker and Walker) it never appears on a hill , you actually look down on it from the Blue Bell at the top of Shields road.

    From the west you actually travel down to it from Arthurs hill.

    In fact it is only to visitors walking up from Central station (or Journos from the Copthorne) that it appears to be on a hill.

  • 20 Jail for Ashley // Oct 11, 2015 at 10:57 AM

    Jeff, jib, jane,
    So real Toon fans don’t get the Metro home, that’s a lot of plastic fans preventing you from getting a seat at 17:30 on a saturday evening

  • 21 Graeme // Oct 11, 2015 at 11:02 AM

    Jail – it’s all a PR shambles mate.

    They will spout whatever it takes to keep the ground reasonably full and give away tickets if needs be. Ambition? Survive, keep the natives quiet and enjoy the TV revenues, spend as little as possible to stay in the Premier League – thats it.

    An ambitious club would have “Up-graded” continuously over the past 5 years. Willo should have been replaced 3 windows ago, Saylor 2 windows ago, Collo in the last window. Improvement, Progress, Achievement, AMBITION – Nah, we don’t do that sort of stuff here!!

  • 22 Jib // Oct 11, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    A manager has been brought in July, into a Multi million pound Globally branded business to make swingeing systemic and cultural changes and by early October the usual whiners are twisting and working themselves into a frenzy of criticism.
    I hope casual readers of thic blog don’t think it is representative of the Geordies !!

  • 23 Jib // Oct 11, 2015 at 11:04 AM

    Erm there’s a Metro at the ground
    Strangely it’s called St James – doh

  • 24 Jail for Ashley // Oct 11, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    That’ll be because this seismic change looks like it’s got failure written all over it with a sacked Championship manager being entrusted to turn things around, not only a sacked manager but one who has won three games in a calendar year.

  • 25 bettyswallocks // Oct 11, 2015 at 11:11 AM

    I remember speaking to Allardyce in Qatar just after he left us and he told me that once we start to struggle the tension generated by the fans transmits to the players and makes it very difficult for them to play.

    The long silences at home games followed by moans and groans at every misplaced pass does create tension and makes the players less adventurous so maybe the calls for full unconditional support at home games are relevant. No problem at away games , the support is amazing and full on.

  • 26 Jail for Ashley // Oct 11, 2015 at 11:14 AM

    I bow down to your superior knowledge jibberish even though you probably just found that out on the Nexus website.

  • 27 Jib // Oct 11, 2015 at 11:21 AM

    Anyone remember this.
    When I used to cycle as a VERY young kid to SJP (three shillings in the Gallowgate for U16s)
    up the coast road , it used to terminate at a T-junction at Hancocks Museum and there used to be what appeared to be the biggest policeman in the world on point duty.

    Then into the Haymarket to the Chicken express – chicken and chips – what luxury !!!!

  • 28 BandB // Oct 11, 2015 at 11:24 AM

    No problem apart from the fact we haven’t won an away game since January, Betty.

  • 29 The overrated Frenchman // Oct 11, 2015 at 11:32 AM

    My great aunt Dorothy used to work at the Hancock Museum. Not sure if she was paid or a volunteer. She used to look after stuffed bird exhibits and the like, from memory.

  • 30 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 11, 2015 at 11:36 AM

    There are absolutely no evidence supporting we cannot attract a top coach or top coach in the making, it just seems we are only looking to attract has-beens or never been.

    Why? Because our owner knows nothing of football and neither does those with responsibility!

    Maybe if those with responsibility knew what they were doing then just maybe would our coach! Just my opinion (has seen plenty of dumb-ass owners who could attract good coaches)

  • 31 Jail for Ashley // Oct 11, 2015 at 11:40 AM

    On the contrary, there is damming evidence that we can’t attract a top manager.

  • 32 bettyswallocks // Oct 11, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    BandB …… It is common knowledge throughout the football community that the pressure from expectation levels make the job for players and coaches more difficult than at most clubs. The passion and desire should help us and hinder the opposition at home games and this season the fans seem a lot more behind the team. I know it hasn’t produced results but once the atmosphere becomes tense as it will if we keep losing, then it can only make things harder for the team to perform.

    The club are aware that we need big characters who can play under pressure as this has been mentioned as part of the criteria for new signings several times. The question is where are they??

  • 33 Rotonda heights // Oct 11, 2015 at 11:44 AM


    I don’t think passing the ball was ever in fat sam’s mandate.

    Jail at 3

    Sadly so very true


    There are indeed many types on here. I’ve noticed one type with serious low esteem issues who choose to abuse people when they are not receiving the attenton they so desperately crave.

  • 34 BandB // Oct 11, 2015 at 11:50 AM


    Your point is, I think, that the mood of the home crowd is effecting performances at St James’ Park.
    You then point out that the away fans get right behind the team.
    To illustrate your point that this lifts the team to better results away from home, you’d need holders to this list of people to blame for the club under-perofto show that this was evidenced by a decent away record, surely?
    Should we add season ticket holders to the list of people at fault for the club under-performing?

  • 35 angelswithdirtyfaces // Oct 11, 2015 at 11:51 AM

    Jeff the egotistical misanthrope WUM

    I hope casual readers of thic blog don’t think you are representative of Geordies either.

  • 36 BandB // Oct 11, 2015 at 11:51 AM

    Well that went wrong…..

    Your point is, I think, that the mood of the home crowd is effecting performances at St James’ Park.
    You then point out that the away fans get right behind the team.
    To illustrate your point that this lifts the team to better results away from home, you’d need to show that this was evidenced by a decent away record, surely?
    Should we add season ticket holders to the list of people at fault for the club under-performing?

  • 37 beermonkey // Oct 11, 2015 at 11:56 AM

    read this in the early hrs as I couldn’t sleep
    gives a little insight into our academy

  • 38 Jib // Oct 11, 2015 at 12:00 PM

    The counter productive home atmosphere is by no means exclusive to NUFC.

    Jesper says we only appoint “yes men” and “has beens” , yet McClaren’s assistant manager is Ian Cathro , highly regarded within the game and confident enough to have applied for the Rangers job.

    I think this is SM’s last gig and Cathro is being groomed for the succession.

  • 39 bettyswallocks // Oct 11, 2015 at 12:00 PM

    BanbB……. The away support has always been good for all the years I have been a fan. It has never wavered!! Therefore if something is always the same then it doesn’t affect anything.

    At the moment the atmosphere at home games is also good but is prone to wavering which can affect things adversely , that is my point.

  • 40 beermonkey // Oct 11, 2015 at 12:00 PM

    try that it will work better
    I hope

  • 41 Jail for Ashley // Oct 11, 2015 at 12:04 PM

    Well I hope he’s being groomed quickly as Macca isn’t going to be here at Christmas at this rate.

  • 42 Tinman // Oct 11, 2015 at 12:19 PM

    How interested are people in Sports Direct finances? I can tell you that they are one of the top 5 companies on the FTSE100 backed by financial experts to increase in value. Goldman Sachs rate the company very highly. Could provide you with every financial statement released since they went public…

    Had another 3/3 on betting the other day. Expect to do very well today!

  • 43 beermonkey // Oct 11, 2015 at 12:22 PM


    the club wont sack McLaren
    not once did they ever think of sacking pards

    what makes you think they will sack macca

  • 44 andrew84 // Oct 11, 2015 at 12:23 PM


    Anyone approaching Newcastle from the south of the Tyne can see St James’s dominating the skyline, so they could be forgiven for using the phrase “cathedral on the hill”.

    Unless the point you’re trying to make is that “real fans” don’t live in South Tyneside. In which case I would put you in the category of people who I would hope are not characteristic of your average Geordie.

  • 45 Jib // Oct 11, 2015 at 12:34 PM

    andrew 84
    View from Old Durham Road Gateshead – a big FO building sure , but a cathedral on the hill – naaah !

  • 46 John Tudor // Oct 11, 2015 at 12:36 PM

    go infect a love soup ream

  • 47 andrew84 // Oct 11, 2015 at 12:38 PM

    I think the “counter-productive home atmosphere” that we’re talking about would improve dramatically if the fans were confident that the players were giving it their all in every game, not giving up halfway through, not ducking out of tackles and not escaping down the tunnel straight after the full-time whistle.

    Laying any of the responsibility for our current situation at the home crowd’s door is just like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic in my opinion.

  • 48 Munster Mag // Oct 11, 2015 at 12:47 PM

    Get stuffed Sam. In fairness I dont think his football is as bad as people say – its just very british. You get much the same style of play at Everton under Moyes etc. Same is a proper tool though – never wrong. If his team loses 6-1 he moans that it could have been different if they got the peno they deserved etc. Ya sam, 6-2. Tool.

  • 49 bettyswallocks // Oct 11, 2015 at 12:54 PM

    Andrew84…… There has been no suggestion that the current situation is being laid at the home fans door. The fans so far this season have been fully behind the team and Mc.C . However in previous seasons as pointed out by many pundits and ex managers , it can be a very difficult atmosphere to play in when the tension sets in.

  • 50 Jail for Ashley // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:00 PM

    I’m not blaming the fans but….

  • 51 Jail for Ashley // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:01 PM

    I can’t stand Mike Ashley but to be fair he saved us from doing a Leeds !

  • 52 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:02 PM

    Jail…not really, but clear evidence we are not looking at one!

    I know where you stand on the issue, but it doesn’t mean it is so!

    Seeing as far as we know only McClaren was interviewed (others have been media speculation) and only Pardew was interviewed back when he was hired it’s really just opinion stating better couldn’t be attracted.

  • 53 Jail for Ashley // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:02 PM

    I can’t stand Mike Ashley but to be fair he kept his promises !

  • 54 Jail for Ashley // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:03 PM

    I can’t stand Mike Ashley but to be fair you can’t blame him for not wanting to spend his own money !

  • 55 Transfer Sage // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:04 PM


    All grounds are like that when a team consistently under performs and appears to not be trying 100%.

    Not unique to newcastle.

  • 56 Jail for Ashley // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:04 PM

    I can’t stand Mike Ashley but to be fair he’s a self made Billionaire he knows what he’s doing !

  • 57 Jib // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:04 PM

    I agree Allardyce is a prize dick , but , it should make for a cracking derby atmosphere cannot wait.
    On another note
    Kieran Reid the all black 2nd row comment that the SJP pitch was in a hell of a state , the groundstaff are going to earn their dosh this week.

  • 58 Jail for Ashley // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:05 PM

    I can’t stand Mike Ashley but to be fair it’s his club and he can do what he wants with it !

  • 59 Jail for Ashley // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:06 PM

    Yes Jesper,
    We can not attract a top manager if we don’t want one !

  • 60 Jib // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:06 PM

    Jail for Ashley
    I can’t stand Mike Ashley but to be fair I know SFA about footy

  • 61 Jail for Ashley // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:07 PM

    Yes but who’s the most prize dick, jib or Fat Sam ?

  • 62 Transfer Sage // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:07 PM

    Sam Allerdyce isn’t liked by any of his supporters since Bolton (when he last did a good job). Since then he has been a manager who only prevents relegation with “effective” football.

    Fans want to win but also be entertained, his style isn’t the worse but is not interesting at all.

    Same as Brendon Rodgers last 18 months. Slow build up, possession football is not good to watch.

    You need some zip to your game. Whether it’s quick pass and move football, pacey wingers running at people. Long balls knocked down for players bombing on.

  • 63 ilovetoon8788 // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:11 PM

    Macca will not get the sack even if he we are winless until January.

  • 64 SUTTY1978 // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:12 PM

    JIB, we have an assistant manager “confident” enough to apply for the job as manager of a Scottish second division team, that’s great news. Oh hang on, that means we have an assistant manager who couldn’t get a job at a second division Scottish club. Doesn’t sound quite so good now.
    I see you’re still bleating your nonsense about the process of changing the culture and footballing style. When exactly do you think we are going to see any evidence of this?

  • 65 bettyswallocks // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:13 PM

    Transfer……. I do think that there is more deep rooted passion at our club than most others.

  • 66 catchy in norway // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    from the previous thread. you are seriously one deluded man. i think you have it in for Shteve as much as i had it in for P45, but to indicate that Rodgers is free so we should try and get him shows how little you follow football or even know about the sport now.

    Rodgers is in the same vain as P45 , probably explains why you like him, he is not a good manager but a lucky one. all he did at swansea was continue to play the Roberto Martinez played, and that got him the Liverpool job, he wasted shed loads of money there and road on Suarez coat tails until he left. after he left he couldn’t organize them at all, he even wet as far as throwing his coaches who were only carrying out his instruction, under the bus, in classic P45 style. him and p45 are cut from the same cloth

  • 67 Jib // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:21 PM

    Patience , my empty headed friend , patience.
    All will come good in the end , you just keep making your negative observations , they are very interesting 😐

  • 68 John Tudor // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:23 PM

    id rather do a leeds than have that smarmy money grabbing tw@t

  • 69 catchy in norway // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:30 PM


    when we played city and lost 6-1 , if we had of went in at half time 3-0 no one could have complained, as we were the better team and created the better chances, i just so happens that he scored 5 goals in 20 mins, that was a total freak.

    so at least be man enough to admit that there are changes happening, but it also coincide with us playing the top 7 from last season and a team who has still got a winning mentality from last season,

    3 of the 4 new signings seem to be doing well under him because they are good players and used to winning. we just need our squad to have more belief . for 80 mins we were the better team vs Chelsea, vs Man u we were about even with them for most of the game,

    the game against Shef wed was the only game i can say we should have won but didnt

    give them time

  • 70 Jib // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:31 PM

    John Tudor that is no way to talk about Sutty

  • 71 Transfer Sage // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:33 PM


    I disagree. It’s a stereotype really that’s outdated.

    Look at the abuse steve Keane took at Blackburn, that was a genuine toxic environment.

    West Ham fans gave allerdyce a lot of stick but that was never used as an excuse by the media.

    Plenty of clubs like stoke and palace make loads more noise than we do. Even Brentford with a closed in small stadium get going and it properly rocks the ground I’ve been told.

    We are a tame fan base these days.

  • 72 BandB // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:35 PM


    I think most fans would be happy to give them all the time they need to get out of the bottom three.
    Unfortunately, the league is only going to give us until May.

  • 73 Transfer Sage // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:37 PM


    It wasn’t a freak though. Over the past few years we have been a team that collapse as soon as the tide starts turning, we crumble under pressure. The squad lacks leadership and character.

    I don’t think we have changed that much. City had 2 very good first half chances so we could easily have gone it at half time 2-0 if they took there’s and we never took out chance. We were good but never completely dominated.

    Under pardew we won at City, beat Man Utd, beat Spurs, beat chelsea a few times.

    Not saying pardew is good, just McClaren isn’t any better for me. They are both boring managers with records of failure.

  • 74 Transfer Sage // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:40 PM

    I’d be very shocked if McClaren turns this around.

    I’d love him to and get us playing good football, just I can’t see it at all unfortunately.

  • 75 catchy in norway // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:44 PM


    for me, i believe in him and his way of doing things, i believe this was always going to be a tough season for who ever got the job, and it was made a lot more difficult with those opening fixtures, it also didnt help that mitro acted like a thug in his first few games, and left us light up front.

    he is giving us a style of play, but he needs to sort out a few diruptive players very soon, this for me is his bigest challenge, Cisse, Colo, Sissoko. get them out asap, followed quickly by obertan, williamson, goofy, as these are simply not good enough.

    we will be ok this season

  • 76 Jib // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:44 PM

    Bottas may lose his F1 qualification for that !!!

  • 77 Jib // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:47 PM

    Jeezus Putin never misses a foto op

  • 78 lesh // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:50 PM


    You’ll have noticed that someone’s using your name and apologising for Ashley.

    It really is about time that Ed did something to fix the Blog so imposters, impersonators don’t get on.

    Whoever’s bringing your name into disrepute should be ashamed of him/ herself!

  • 79 catchy in norway // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:51 PM


    i did not say they did not have chances, they did but we did hold our own for 45 mins, and remember they are a top top team and aguero is a top player, along with just about everyone in there squad.

    P45 did win at a lot of top teams, but i never ever thought we deserved to win against these team,, it was more luck than a good plan.

    we collapsed because we have got a defensive loser mentality instilled into our squad and dare i say supporters, no one expects us to win and it seems acceptable to just lose.

  • 80 optimistic prime // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:53 PM

    I don’t/didn’t mind giving Mclaren time.

    There looks to be some changes but not enough IMO.

    Keeping Colo on the pitch never mind as Captain is no way to change the lack lustre mentality of the side. Nor is keeping Sissoko who can’t perform in our side yet constantly talks about CL, he’s actually got more chance of Championship football than CL football.

    It’s ten games, I can’t say looking at them I see any major changes. I disagree we where better team against Utd Citeh or Chelsea, I’d say we worked harder and played as a team. We didn’t play great football and our heads dropped once any sign of a fight back came.

    If they put that effort in against Watford Shiefield etc we’d have had better results than we’ve had.

    The team doesn’t bother it’s arse, it has the same mentality as the owner. Only a handful of players can hold their heads high.

    We buy players to pay for the team not play for it. Their attitude is we’ll pick up our money until we move on just like Ashley. Players are bought as stock to move on, resale value and shelf life are a higher priority than position or if they’ll improve the team.

    Pardew Carver and so far Mclaren can’t motivate them to put in a shift and nothing will change whilst Ashley is in control.

    I’ve got no choice but to give Mclaren time but he’s making it drag with a sense of De ja vue.

    Ashley and his back slapping gang out!

  • 81 Munster Mag // Oct 11, 2015 at 1:59 PM

    Catchy, I think you are as pro SMC as you were anti Pardew . Pardews subsequent performance with Palace shows that its our club and scouting which is a mess, not just all the managers fault. Pardew should have been sacked long ago ( head butt etc ) , but the media isnt far wrong about him. He’s a middling manager who came to newcastle when we were middling and left us when we were middling. I think he had the wrong type of players to suit his football beliefs, ballsed up largely by Carr being top dog at the club and pushing through his own agenda. I also think Pardew lost his spark here big time and wanted out. Cant blame him for that. I am glad he is gone, but wholly unimpressed thus far with SMC, when i had expected better from him, given what so many ex players had said. . How sad to hear that Bayern will approach Teuchel as their next manager when the time comes. Cudda been us. I dont really want Rogers , but again, his hands were tied in the transfer market too, by the beliefs of Camolli and the owner in player analytics. It was this obsession with analytics of players gained from baseball/american football etc that led liverpool to buy dross players. Klopp wont put up with that, lucky scousers. Finally, as i said yesterday, Sunderlands appointment is a disaster for us – because they will be safe. So thats another team who wont go down. Helllllp.

  • 82 Mister Tuff // Oct 11, 2015 at 2:07 PM

    Just seen Hippo Heed on Sky News – stressing the importance of staying in the league because of the vast finances available next season. It suggests the Mackems are wanting to protect the prospective riches available and are doing something about it – at an early stage.
    Meanwhile we are……………………we are ……… erm erm. Well looks like Wally is away on holiday for a few days break.

  • 83 Thump // Oct 11, 2015 at 2:32 PM

    @Munster: I think he had the wrong type of players to suit his football beliefs

    Agreed, but surely a manager should alter his style to suit the players?

  • 84 Transfer Sage // Oct 11, 2015 at 2:36 PM


    I don’t think Fat Sam will guarantee sunderland’s survival. They are a club rotten to the core, very poor culture there which is why they always end up around 17-15th year in year out. Still a chance to go down in my opinion.


    I understand we have a losing mentality in the club. McClaren doesn’t seem any better than pardew for me in terms of playing for a draw and hoping for a win. We don’t commit many forward and seem to waste our chances to turn the momentum of a game.

    Look at Klopp – he came in and there is already a buzz. He has said that even with these players he will get a title in 4 years, he makes the players believe and want to play for him.

    Same as somebody like Mourinho….read Lampards book, he spoke to them all before they went to euro 2004, they couldn’t wait to get back and win titles with him. Interesting piece the other day which says mourinho’s 3rd season syndrome could be due to the players getting fed up with his methods, but initially they work.

    McClaren isn’t inspiring, doesn’t seem to address issues and just comes across as dull for me.

  • 85 Transfer Sage // Oct 11, 2015 at 2:37 PM


    That’s the difference between a decent manager and a good/great one.

    Pardew has a style his is comfortable coaching and knows. It’s why he joined us after being sacked from league one and not after winning a champions league. He is a run of the mill manager.

  • 86 Bobbybee // Oct 11, 2015 at 2:37 PM

    Last season we were the worst side in the league. Agreed? When Macca came in he said categorically it would take three windows to fix. Too many of our players are mentally scarred from the last few seasons and are holding us back. The players brought in so far are all better than what we had – including Thauvin despite a slow start, is better that Cabella. Presuming the next window also improves the squad, then we’re on our way. It’s going to be a tough season that should improve in January. Regardless of managers, some of our players simply aren’t good enough and never will be and until we replace them we’re in for a tough season. Comparing other failures to Macca simply isn’t fair because he’s won things – they haven’t. Can we not just give him chance to back up his plans before demanding him out? NOBODY could’ve turned us around in one window. Better games coming up, give him a chance eh?

  • 87 Bambams // Oct 11, 2015 at 2:51 PM

    The only reason we have given Colo a further contract surely is because we know the player we are after and he is a make weight until we can get him.
    Colo must know this and to be honest he is not going to bust a gut.
    Which makes you think the player we are after must be quite costly and must be coming into the latter stages of his contract.
    Or am I just looking for something to be hopeful about ?

  • 88 Transfer Sage // Oct 11, 2015 at 2:56 PM


    Nobody could turn us around and make us a title winning side in one window but we are worse. Less points on the board, don’t look much of a threat, conceding for fun.

    I will give a manager time if they deserve it, McClaren doesn’t, he is a poor manager.

    He’s won the dutch league and a league cup with Boro.

    He under performed with Derby, England, Wolfsburg twente the second time and Forrest.

  • 89 Transfer Sage // Oct 11, 2015 at 2:58 PM


    Potentially. But that’s the problem with the way the club is ran. By not buying another CB and keeping Colo on we have a poor leader who throws the towel in when things get tough and are risking premier league survival for the sake of a few quid.

    Sometimes you need to make a footballing decision on transfers and bite the bullet, paying that bit extra for the long run.

  • 90 JamesToon // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:07 PM

    It’s weird seeing catchy being so positive

  • 91 Bobbybee // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:10 PM

    Transfer, he’s not getting sacked mate, it simply won’t happen looking at Ashley’s record. He might have won two trophies, but he won them with much worse sides than Rodgers and that can’t be argued. He inherited garbage made, he’s not a miracle worker. Too many people think they know how to run a club. Sack Pardew? That worked. Sack Carver? Even better. Now sack Macca before he’s had chance to even get the players motivated and bring in his own players. A lot of our professional players are beyond help and until we move them on, we’ll struggle. Anybody who can win a trophy with Boro and Twente ain’t useless, not in any language.

  • 92 NezzaNUFC // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:12 PM

    Why do people assume fat Sam will keep Sunderland up?

    Like what Transfer said Sunderland is rotten to the core, yes Sam can keep teams up but have you’s seen the Sunderland squad?

    Sunderland – decent manager – very poor squad.

    Newcastle – good squad – poor manager.

    There’s no balance for both clubs and as to why both clubs will probably get relegated.

    Lucky for us we have Cathro ( who by the way has a similar style to Pep and Pep admires him because of this similarity in style ) who is waiting in the wings.

  • 93 BandB // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:17 PM

    There is a slight flaw in the assumption that we can simply spend our way out of trouble in January, and that is that there is no automatic precedence for it.
    The last time we spent big in January (The Great Sissoko Panic Buy) we ended the month of January in 15th place on 24 points, four points clear of the relegation places.
    We ended the season in 16th place, five clear of the relegation sports, having picked up just 17 more points.
    Not a huge uptick in performance.

  • 94 NezzaNUFC // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:19 PM

    I’m not a McClaren fan but I do see the difference in styles between him and Pardew.

    True the boys need time to learn his way and Mitro, Winjaldum and Mbemba seem quality signings and stand out compare to the rest.

    Anita also looks to enjoy his role at the back regardless of the criticism from this blog and I think there’s more to come from him.

    Janmaat has also been a stand out but if I’m honest we need him on the wings on either side since he like to cut in and get goals.

  • 95 Transfer Sage // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:19 PM


    Suit yourself, I think the bloke is garbage. Instead of pointing out his two successful spells look at the rest of his career, utter rubbish. He’s had some good moments but he isn’t a good manager in my opinion.

    Pardew was no good for us, he wasn’t suited to the type of player we wanted to bring in, was pointless to keep him regardless of how well he does elsewhere.

    Carver was dross, shouldn’t be near a professional team in this day and age, right to let him go, totally wrong to give him a job to start with.

    I am fully aware McClaren won’t be sacked, Ashley doesn’t do that. I do think we will go down this year though unfortunately.

    The players shoulder a lot of the blame I agree, a lot aren’t up to it, but that’s why it’s a collective failure.

    Poor from the players, poor manager, poor appointment and recruitment by Carr and Charnley, but ultimately Ashley put an inexperienced idiot in charge of the club whilst setting the parameters he operates in. We are never going anywhere under him.

  • 96 Transfer Sage // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:21 PM


    I’ll tell you what difference I see.

    Both managers claim they like possession football (which I personally find slow and dull), both say they want to attack/entertain.

    The difference is that under pardew we’d tap it around for a bit near the back then lump it long. Now we tap it around at the back before losing it in midfield.

  • 97 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:26 PM

    Are someone else posting as Jail?

    Will the real Jail please stand up 🙂

  • 98 Mag52 // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:26 PM


    I often feel our fans are more concerned with style than with points.
    You’ll only get a team playing with style if you are prepared to shell out the cash to buy a number of talented ball players who can hack it in the premiership. This means big bucks being spent, and for the last eight years under Ashley that’s never been an option.
    The sort of players we end up with season after season, youngsters with potential, untried at this level, largely unknown quantities, some of whom will quickly fall by the wayside, are not players we can expect to win matches with style.
    If our coach manages to notch up three points every so often with the motley crew of a squad he is presented with, then he is doing as well as anyone could rightly expect of him.
    You can forget the style thing as long as Ashley is here and just hope that whoever coaches the team can scrape together enough three pointers to keep us in the division.

  • 99 NezzaNUFC // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:27 PM

    In coming seasons we need to do this…..


    Krull, Lascalles, Woodman, Janmaat, Haidara, Mbabu, Chancel, Anita, Colback, Sissoko, Thuavan, Winjanldum, Aarons, Perez, Mitrovic, Armstrong. .

    Get rid

    Rob, Colo, Willo, Taylor, Dummet, Tiote, Obertan, SDJ, Riv, Gouffan, Cisse.

  • 100 solano // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:28 PM

    BandB&93…spot on on historical January spending comment. Moreover, our attractiveness to foreign daytripper journeymen won’t have diminished in the last 3 years, but it will have to more talented foreign players who are looking for a stepping stone to a ‘big’ club. Clogging around in the bottom three ona February afternoon won’t be that attractive to the 2016 equivalents of Debuchy, never mind the preening and lazy Sissokos of this world.

  • 101 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:29 PM

    TS…I remember back in the summer when some were trying to educate us on how McClaren played possession football on the deck with movement and all that…

    …I was a question mark to say the least. But it just goes to show how different we all see football 😉

  • 102 Transfer Sage // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:30 PM


    That’s not true though. I’m not expecting bayern munich or real madrid style football.

    All I want is something along the lines of southampton or swansea. A team that will be middle of the road but will entertain.

    I know we wont win the league and even the champions league is a long way off, so why not look to entertain instead of being a boring, scrappy team always hanging around the bottom third of the league.

  • 103 Transfer Sage // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:32 PM


    I thought he was better than this mind and was going to give him a chance, but he is dull and doesn’t make sense when he talks.

    People worry about possession to much, it’s what you do with it that counts, not just having it for the sake of it, playing in your own half and inviting pressure.

  • 104 Jib // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:34 PM


    I’ll give you a few facts and a timeline – you draw your own conclusions.

    Recently Werder Bremens director of football revealed the Everton and NUFC had both bid €18 million for Jannik Vestergaard in the Summer which was rejected by the player.

    Meanwhile Stuttgart said on Friday 31st July that a big bid from England for Antonio Rüdiger of €18 million had fallen through because he had sustained meniscus damage in preseason training.

    On Monday 3rd August Pardew denied he had put a bid in for Colo.

    On Thursday 6th August , Colo who had not played all pre-season was offered a contract extension.

  • 105 solano // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:34 PM

    Mags52…some decent points but ‘hoping’ to stay in the division just to exist is hardly a thing to keep the flame of passion alive for most football/sports fans. Then again, to the masses of wonga wearing, morally bankrupt drones and dummies, I think it could guarantee another 8 year serving of football gruel…perfect!

  • 106 NezzaNUFC // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:35 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Problem is under Pardew we never really had much possession due to hoofball tactics by him, we were usually averaged around 35-45% possession each game.

    McClaren though has averaged around 50-65% possession so far.

    And don’t forget Pardew had Cabaye as our playmaker whilst McClaren doesn’t have a playmaker are any player at his disposal to hold possession up.

    Pardew also likes a single target man to hoof the ball to all game every game whilst McClaren likes to use the wings to deliver to the TM and also uses the TM to hold up the ball for to bring others into play.

  • 107 toon kk // Oct 11, 2015 at 3:47 PM

    People have to get real with our squad, let’s be honest, different managers bring different styles and ideas to which ever club they go to. But you have to have a basic qualities for certain things to work. So look at our squad, where’s the pace?, Aarons either injured on the bench and Gabby, say no more. Then there’s our defence? Or should I say what defence. Passing ability? Strikers not too bad but rely on scraps. Putting passes together? Hoofball is often the only way to get up the pitch as we’re so poor at possession.
    So basically it wouldn’t matter who our coach/ manager is we haven’t a strong enough squad for the premier league.
    Of course there’s our poor fitness levels, so 45mins then we’re totally exhausted.
    The club also has a loosing mentality, which has been bought on by years of poor buys, penny pinching.

  • 108 southafricantoon // Oct 11, 2015 at 4:06 PM

    We going to get 10-12 points in the next 4 games

  • 109 TroubledToon // Oct 11, 2015 at 7:38 PM

    I wonder if we could somehow get Macca to read this blog :p
    We sure have tons of brilliant ideas and mebbe that’ll be the inspiration Macca needs to get the lads going!!!!
    Macca into the blog: In!!!

  • 110 TroubledToon // Oct 11, 2015 at 7:41 PM

    Wow… Southafricatoon, u have gotta be the most optimistic toon around!!!!
    I dont think we will pick up 10-12 points in the next four, but I sure as hell wud LUVVVVVV to be wrong

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