McClaren Continues To Get Support – But Must Do This


It’s not too surprising that Steve McClaren is getting support from the two people above him at Newcastle – Managing Director Lee Charnley and owner Mike Ashley.

Lee Charnley is the one who appointed Steve and he was his first and only choice from what we can tell – so yes – he will be supporting him because if Steve cannot get the job done it reflects badly on Lee’s decision-making and ability to appoint effective head coaches.

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Steve McClaren – winning has to start very soon

His disastrous appointment of John Carver in January almost had us relegated in May.

And if Steve cannot turn this thing around and start winning games very soon – we could be in trouble this season too and certainly it’s our worst start to the season since 1898.

We went into a bit of detail yesterday on what happened 117 years ago – well what I could remember about that season anyway.

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Mike Ashley doesn’t like to swap and change managers because in the past under Freddie Shepherd it was shown not to work for a number of very good reasons.

The playing squad seems to always be in turmoil because different managers like different players so when a new manager comes in he wants new players and wants to get rid of some of the players already in the squad.

So in that environment it’s very difficult to get results and have any stability and it’s also very expensive with money often being wasted on new players who don’t stay around too long.

It’s too early to make a change and Newcastle have at times played very well this season, but we’ve been far too inconsistent – and even poor against the lesser teams we have played – which is a big concern.

But if Steve McClaren cannot get the results, then Ashley will have to make a very difficult decision – and it’s never a silver bullet to bring in a new coach and then everything is fine.

It doesn’t work that way although sometimes it does – but those big turnaround successes are rare.

The other thing is which coaches would be available – who could come in to coach the team if they decide it’s time for Steve to go?

It’s much easier to keep the current coaching staff in place and hope they can turn it all around – and they will need the full support of the Newcastle fans – who have been simply great this season during these very difficult times.

Make that this year under very difficult times.

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104 comments so far

  • AncientC

    Oct 16, 2015 at 4:02 PM

    Comment #1

    For those that believe it is too early to start worrying, something to consider:

    Out of the last 19 league games, that is half a season, the club has achieved a whopping 7 points.

    The only win came against West Ham who were already on holiday.

    If we can write off games against teams that were in the top 10 last season, as being one of those things, how many little blips can we afford in the other 18 games, especially when the club in better form averages little more than a point a game.

    This isn’t just some small turnaround that is needed, it is a seismic shift.

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  • the broons

    Oct 16, 2015 at 4:06 PM

    Comment #2

    The only worry I have with Mcclaren is his half time team talks.

    We have played significantly worse in the second half for each of the last 2 games and probably the majority of the start of this season.

    Its not good enough, we need to stop throwing in the towel. And I also take up the same issue with Collocini, our supposed leader who seems to cower more than stand up and be counted.

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  • the broons

    Oct 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM

    Comment #3

    Ancient C

    Sadly you’re right, if the last few seasons are anything to go by then our form will only turn worse. However i’ll only accept defeat in relegation if we fail to win against Norwich who with the exception of Nathan Redmond pose little threat.

    Surely even Coloccini and co can keep a clean sheet this sunday and not allow Elliot anything to do.

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  • Munster Mag

    Oct 16, 2015 at 4:31 PM

    Comment #4

    Jimmy, from last post , f he doesnt play Perez in a 442 he needs to seriously consider what he is doing. We need to forget abut all these nonsense stats about possession and get after the yellow shirts. Forget defensive midfielders ( why cant midfielders both defend and attack, like Souness, Giles etc ? Oh I forgot they are not on FIFA ) and get some heat on these guys. Get the flanks moving, close down faster, get the crowd involved and get Mitro attacking crosses and Perez/Wini interpassing and get Sissoko running at them.

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  • lochinvar

    Oct 16, 2015 at 4:34 PM

    Comment #5

    Wrong decision if you ask me – there’s already another team in that town.
    Imagine – a fan buying a football club – now there an idea for someone

    Everton are the subject of renewed speculation over a potential takeover.
    City of London financial sources have told BBC Sport that American investors, with links to Major League Soccer side Sporting Kansas City, are exploring purchasing the Premier League club.
    An asking price of £225m is believed to have been set by Everton’s owners although it is unknown if the US consortium are prepared to match that.
    The possible deal has also been reported in Kansas City.
    SKC representative Mike Illig has publicly stated he is an Everton fan, posting pictures of a visit to Goodison Park on his Twitter account on Thursday.
    Illig attended former Everton striker Duncan Ferguson’s testimonial against Villarreal at Goodison Park in August. His picture of the stadium was retweeted by Robb Heineman, Sporting Kansas City’s CEO, increasing speculation that a deal is under discussion.

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Oct 16, 2015 at 4:36 PM

    Comment #6

    Ed…it’s reflecting badly on Charnley regardless!

    …keeping McClaren will just cost the club money in the process (not to mention keeping Charnley is costing the club money)

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  • Our Toon

    Oct 16, 2015 at 4:38 PM

    Comment #7

    Ancient

    In previous seasons Ashley has stopped us from progressing along with pardew, I don’t count carver in you analysis because he’s never been a manager except here and Toronto he carried poor form over from Toronto! Come back to me in the next international break, I’ll be happy to revisit it then mate

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  • Our Toon

    Oct 16, 2015 at 4:43 PM

    Comment #8

    Munster

    What mcclaren said yesterday about Krul didn’t actually mean he was litrally going to save us 20 pts. It was a way of describing his importance to the team but also to give the lad a boost seeing as he’s really down at present because of the injury.

    It’s also a barometer for the next person coming in to replace him, his way of saying this is what you need to aspire to to help. That’s what I took out of it, I’m sure that’s what the players took out of it as well. No keeper in the world saves you 20 points, cech was valued at saving arsenal 10 pts over a season!!

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  • optimistic prime

    Oct 16, 2015 at 4:46 PM

    Comment #9

    Its quite a strange day when Chris Kamara speaks complete sense and shows your manager hasn’t a clue.

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  • Munster Mag

    Oct 16, 2015 at 4:49 PM

    Comment #10

    Our Toon, at best it was nonsensical from McClaren, at worst it was excuse making of the highest order. This guy is known as a media spin merchant, as has been commented on by a few journalists who know how he works. Whilst he wasnt backed well at Forest, my best buddy is a Forest fanatic and said he did little for them there and talked a lot of waffle Sounds familiar. Also, he had the same fitness guy , and he had little impact too. Great !!

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  • Munster Mag

    Oct 16, 2015 at 4:50 PM

    Comment #11

    Optimistic, Kamara would stick up for most managers if the shot their mothers so you are v correct. What did he say exactly ?

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  • Blackley and Brownlie

    Oct 16, 2015 at 4:56 PM

    Comment #12

    Ed, you keep calling John Carver and his disastrous appointment. Carver was asked to step in till the end of the season. He did that. You seem to think that Alan Pardew would have breezed through the remaining fixtures. The fact is we avoided relegation with a very poor squad. Yes, under pressure, Carver came out with a lot of embarrassing nonsense. Just the same as Pardew did and just the same as Steve McClaren is now doing.

    The more you go on about Carver, the more you traduce your own blog, hilarious as your obsession with him may be to me and others. Please let us have sn article in which you let us know why you believe Makro is doing worse than Carver even with £50m of reinforcements.

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  • stuart no9

    Oct 16, 2015 at 4:57 PM

    Comment #13

    lets just wait and see how much support ashley gives him (SM) come xmas when we are certs to go down and ashley loses about £400M in tv rights and all hs free advertising world wide for his tacky clothes shop haha, something tells me little stevies feet may not touch the ground on his way out of the club, thats if hes still here at xmas

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  • Munster Mag

    Oct 16, 2015 at 4:57 PM

    Comment #14

    It was also a strange way of getting Elliott ready. At least our distribution will be better now. SMC suggesting thats its all bad luck and disaster at NUFC to an international Sky audience is just ridiculous communication out of him. I would expect more from him at that level, whatever about man management, motivation and winning games.

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  • John Tudor

    Oct 16, 2015 at 4:59 PM

    Comment #15

    he could give him all the support he likes
    it will never be enough

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  • Munster Mag

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:03 PM

    Comment #16

    Blackley, I’m sorry but that not true. Pardew was a PR genius compared to the lunatic Charva. Please give examples of what you mean. For example, when did Pardew go so far as to hang a player out to dry like Charva did with Mike Williamson? Lets be fair here, Pardew got away with murder, but he was a smart cookie in front of the cameras. And even when he was under intense pressure after head butt and PardewOut campaign, he kept his head well. None of us liked the Reading type approach, but Carver was a loon, end of.

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  • Munster Mag

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:07 PM

    Comment #17

    Blackley, also i think some of us see some chance that if we actually win a game soon, it might get us going because SMC has been an ex Man U asst mgr, england boss etc. Whereas Carver was an aggressive cone carrier and little else.

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  • stuart no9

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:08 PM

    Comment #18

    munster —– i thiunk your right about pardew . He could charm the birds out the trees , in front of the cameras he talked a good talk, even though it was bulls”t , he fooled a hell of a lot of people.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:10 PM

    Comment #19

    Fong them! Fong those deceitful rapscallions I say! Show now mercy!

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  • GeordieTwo

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:11 PM

    Comment #20

    Or possibly show no mercy!

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  • Munster Mag

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:23 PM

    Comment #21

    Stuart, unless he ballses up soon at Paliss, we can safely start saying that he had a defensive philosophy at NUFC with counter attacking style ( i know, he only seemed to find his way late but…) but if you dont give the man who coaches the team the players HE wants for HIS style , then it aint going to work unless the guy is a coaching genius who can work with any type of player. Lets just hope for a win v Norwich, but SMC certainly left me worrying this week.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:23 PM

    Comment #22

    I’m glad you lads and lasses are trying to get some humour out of our present situation. I believe we have the poorest owner in English football in terms of what he is actually doing to develop a good football club. Mike Ashley does what he has always done: make money hand over fist by using us to advertise his rags. And so I am now pleased to officially announce here and now the beginning of the Support Your Big Fat Donkey Rally of 2015. Get out there mates with your flags, signs, posters, whatever and make it clear how you feel about your Big Fat Donkey!!! And make it clear who the Big Fat Donkey is! Mike Ashley loves free advertising so let’s give him some!!! 😈

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  • GeordieTwo

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:27 PM

    Comment #23

    In support of the Big Fat Donkey Rally of 2015 beermonkey and I will be carrying wor beloved cause to a secret location in Europe!!! The 2 man wheeled bobsled tour will continue!! Yes mates we will proudly display a massive Support Your Big Fat Donkey flag on tour!!! The donations will pour in! Zloteys, rubles, drachma, pfennigs,…. we accept it all!!! Carry your Big Fat Donkey banners proudly!!! Huzzah!!!!!

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  • GeordieinOhio

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:31 PM

    Comment #24

    Geordie Two

    will you lads be singing the “Big Fat Donkey Rally Anthem” of

    “sell up fatty, ah sell up fatty, cos we hate ya,”
    “sell up fatty, ah sell up fatty, cos we hate ya,”

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  • GeordieTwo

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:33 PM

    Comment #25

    Spirits are low, points are few, goal difference is negative (as usual) but fear not!!! I will carry on mocking wor owner!!! And now a little ditty for you know who:
    What do you do with a Big Fat Donkey,
    What do you do with a Big Fat Donkey,
    What do you do with a Big Fat Donkey,
    Earl-eye in the morning!
    Way hay and up he rises
    Way hay and up he rises
    Way hay and up he rises
    Earl-eye in the morning
    Shave his nads with a rusty razor,
    Shave his nads with a rusty razor,
    Shave his nads with a rusty razor,
    Earl-eye in the morning!

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  • Toon Tang

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:33 PM

    Comment #26

    Sang to the chorus of ‘Lip up fatty’ by bad manners

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  • GeordieTwo

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM

    Comment #27

    Good one GeordieinOhio mate! Keep up those good thoughts! Bring positive energy to the Big Fat Donkey!!!

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  • Toon Tang

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM

    Comment #28

    Sell up, fatty, ah, sell up fatty, for the reggae
    Sell up, fatty, ah, Sell up fatty, for the reggae

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  • Toon Tang

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:36 PM

    Comment #29

    Reggae needs to be changed to something though, answers on a postcard people..

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  • GeordieinOhio

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:38 PM

    Comment #30

    will there be an International Tour Geordie Two??

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  • Blackley and Brownlie

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    Comment #31

    Munster

    You ask me why I’m saying what I’m saying about Pardew and yet you think nothing of saying, “And even when he was under intense pressure after head butt and PardewOut campaign, he kept his head well.”

    Let’s say you had to tell an American, new to football, about Percy at the Toon. You explain he headbutted a player (how many managers in the history of the game have done this?) but he kept his head well under pressure.

    You reckon Percy was a PR genius compared to Carver. Have you forgotten his legendary excuses that turned the fans against him or his attacks on match officials and other managers?

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  • GeordieTwo

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:45 PM

    Comment #32

    And now the latest from deep within the bowels of wor club. Here it is mates, the eagerly anticipated Senior Official Club Journo interview with Steve (I’ve got some big ones so don’t worry) McLaren!!!!
    SOCJ: Steve it’s good to speak with you again as we approach another critical match.
    Steve: Well ta to you G2, it’s always good to get the word out on what a tremendous club we have here.
    SOCJ: Excellent Steve. Now how is the atmosphere in the dressing room after the loss of Tim Krul and the fairly lengthy injury list?
    Steve: the atmosphere is excellent G2. We’ve got some mighty big personalities in that room. Colo has been seen crouched next to his locker muttering something in Spanish like “why won’t they let me leave, all I want to do is leave”, Cisse limps around with a big smile on his face slapping Tiote on the back and comparing bank balances, and Mitro has been banging his heed on walls and muttering something that apparently translates into “I’m going to kill my agent for getting me into this!!!”. So as you can see G2 we’re up for a relegation battle, no doubt about it!!!
    SOCJ: Ahhh, I see. Yes…..well I had better let you get back to it….

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  • GeordieTwo

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:47 PM

    Comment #33

    Of course there will be an international tour GeordieinOhio mate!!! Get your battle thong on and join us. Rally in the streets, rally in the pubs, get oot there and sing the praises of the Big Fat Donkey!!!!

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  • Munster Mag

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    Comment #34

    Blackley if u cant see that pardew was a media savvy cookie compared to charva who ranted against a limited pro like williamson, then you cant see much mate.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:54 PM

    Comment #35

    I can see something Munster mate. I can see you with your Big Fat Donkey flag parading proudly through the streets!!!!

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  • GeordieTwo

    Oct 16, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #36

    And now Bob Marley lyrics for Toon Tang:
    Most people think Fat Donkey will come from the sky
    Take away ev’rything, and make ev’rybody feel high
    But if you know what life is worth
    You would look for yours on earth
    And now you see the light
    You stand up for your right, yeah!
    Join wor Big Fat Donkey rally mates!!!!

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  • GeordieTwo

    Oct 16, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    Comment #37

    Sometimes I worry a bit aboot Steve…..Is the pressure getting to him? Has the Big Fat Donkey already muttered something threatening?

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  • Blackley and Brownlie

    Oct 16, 2015 at 6:08 PM

    Comment #38

    Munster
    You can’t talk absolute bollox and come out with ridiculous excuses day in day out in front of the media and claim to be media savvy. What’s hard about that? The media is only a conduit to the fans. The evidence is the fans didn’t want to him and were aghast at his embarassing actions and comments. That is surely the test of his media savvy. I can’t for the life of me think why you would say Pardew was the least bit media savvy. You cite Carvers treatment of Willo. What did you make of media savvy Pardew calling Willo “the other guy” after Mbiwa arrived? Then having to revert to him.

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  • GeordieinOhio

    Oct 16, 2015 at 6:29 PM

    Comment #39

    Geordie two

    UP THE REVOLUTION!!!

    wave ya Big Fat Donkey flag high!!

    Emancipate yourself from ashleys slavery,
    None but ourselves can free our minds.
    Have no fear for Charnley’s antic’s,
    ‘Cause none of them can stop the time.
    How long shall they kill our club,
    While we stand aside and look?
    Some say it’s just a part of it,
    We’ve got to fulfill the book.

    Won’t you help to sing
    These songs of freedom?
    ‘Cause all I ever want,
    is ashley out!,
    is ashley out!,

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  • Tinman

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:02 PM

    Comment #40

    This internet in the countryside is killing me. Sorry for not replying to anyone…

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