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McClaren Continues To Get Support – But Must Do This

4:01 pm, Friday, October 16th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 104 Comments

It’s not too surprising that Steve McClaren is getting support from the two people above him at Newcastle – Managing Director Lee Charnley and owner Mike Ashley.

Lee Charnley is the one who appointed Steve and he was his first and only choice from what we can tell – so yes – he will be supporting him because if Steve cannot get the job done it reflects badly on Lee’s decision-making and ability to appoint effective head coaches.

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Steve McClaren – winning has to start very soon

His disastrous appointment of John Carver in January almost had us relegated in May.

And if Steve cannot turn this thing around and start winning games very soon – we could be in trouble this season too and certainly it’s our worst start to the season since 1898.

We went into a bit of detail yesterday on what happened 117 years ago – well what I could remember about that season anyway.


Mike Ashley doesn’t like to swap and change managers because in the past under Freddie Shepherd it was shown not to work for a number of very good reasons.

The playing squad seems to always be in turmoil because different managers like different players so when a new manager comes in he wants new players and wants to get rid of some of the players already in the squad.

So in that environment it’s very difficult to get results and have any stability and it’s also very expensive with money often being wasted on new players who don’t stay around too long.

It’s too early to make a change and Newcastle have at times played very well this season, but we’ve been far too inconsistent – and even poor against the lesser teams we have played – which is a big concern.

But if Steve McClaren cannot get the results, then Ashley will have to make a very difficult decision – and it’s never a silver bullet to bring in a new coach and then everything is fine.

It doesn’t work that way although sometimes it does – but those big turnaround successes are rare.

The other thing is which coaches would be available – who could come in to coach the team if they decide it’s time for Steve to go?

It’s much easier to keep the current coaching staff in place and hope they can turn it all around – and they will need the full support of the Newcastle fans – who have been simply great this season during these very difficult times.

Make that this year under very difficult times.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Board of Directors · Coaching · Management · Newcastle News · Premier League · Press

104 responses so far ↓

  • 1 AncientC // Oct 16, 2015 at 4:02 PM

    For those that believe it is too early to start worrying, something to consider:

    Out of the last 19 league games, that is half a season, the club has achieved a whopping 7 points.

    The only win came against West Ham who were already on holiday.

    If we can write off games against teams that were in the top 10 last season, as being one of those things, how many little blips can we afford in the other 18 games, especially when the club in better form averages little more than a point a game.

    This isn’t just some small turnaround that is needed, it is a seismic shift.

  • 2 the broons // Oct 16, 2015 at 4:06 PM

    The only worry I have with Mcclaren is his half time team talks.

    We have played significantly worse in the second half for each of the last 2 games and probably the majority of the start of this season.

    Its not good enough, we need to stop throwing in the towel. And I also take up the same issue with Collocini, our supposed leader who seems to cower more than stand up and be counted.

  • 3 the broons // Oct 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM

    Ancient C

    Sadly you’re right, if the last few seasons are anything to go by then our form will only turn worse. However i’ll only accept defeat in relegation if we fail to win against Norwich who with the exception of Nathan Redmond pose little threat.

    Surely even Coloccini and co can keep a clean sheet this sunday and not allow Elliot anything to do.

  • 4 Munster Mag // Oct 16, 2015 at 4:31 PM

    Jimmy, from last post , f he doesnt play Perez in a 442 he needs to seriously consider what he is doing. We need to forget abut all these nonsense stats about possession and get after the yellow shirts. Forget defensive midfielders ( why cant midfielders both defend and attack, like Souness, Giles etc ? Oh I forgot they are not on FIFA ) and get some heat on these guys. Get the flanks moving, close down faster, get the crowd involved and get Mitro attacking crosses and Perez/Wini interpassing and get Sissoko running at them.

  • 5 lochinvar // Oct 16, 2015 at 4:34 PM

    Wrong decision if you ask me – there’s already another team in that town.
    Imagine – a fan buying a football club – now there an idea for someone

    Everton are the subject of renewed speculation over a potential takeover.
    City of London financial sources have told BBC Sport that American investors, with links to Major League Soccer side Sporting Kansas City, are exploring purchasing the Premier League club.
    An asking price of £225m is believed to have been set by Everton’s owners although it is unknown if the US consortium are prepared to match that.
    The possible deal has also been reported in Kansas City.
    SKC representative Mike Illig has publicly stated he is an Everton fan, posting pictures of a visit to Goodison Park on his Twitter account on Thursday.
    Illig attended former Everton striker Duncan Ferguson’s testimonial against Villarreal at Goodison Park in August. His picture of the stadium was retweeted by Robb Heineman, Sporting Kansas City’s CEO, increasing speculation that a deal is under discussion.

  • 6 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Oct 16, 2015 at 4:36 PM

    Ed…it’s reflecting badly on Charnley regardless!

    …keeping McClaren will just cost the club money in the process (not to mention keeping Charnley is costing the club money)

  • 7 Our Toon // Oct 16, 2015 at 4:38 PM


    In previous seasons Ashley has stopped us from progressing along with pardew, I don’t count carver in you analysis because he’s never been a manager except here and Toronto he carried poor form over from Toronto! Come back to me in the next international break, I’ll be happy to revisit it then mate

  • 8 Our Toon // Oct 16, 2015 at 4:43 PM


    What mcclaren said yesterday about Krul didn’t actually mean he was litrally going to save us 20 pts. It was a way of describing his importance to the team but also to give the lad a boost seeing as he’s really down at present because of the injury.

    It’s also a barometer for the next person coming in to replace him, his way of saying this is what you need to aspire to to help. That’s what I took out of it, I’m sure that’s what the players took out of it as well. No keeper in the world saves you 20 points, cech was valued at saving arsenal 10 pts over a season!!

  • 9 optimistic prime // Oct 16, 2015 at 4:46 PM

    Its quite a strange day when Chris Kamara speaks complete sense and shows your manager hasn’t a clue.

  • 10 Munster Mag // Oct 16, 2015 at 4:49 PM

    Our Toon, at best it was nonsensical from McClaren, at worst it was excuse making of the highest order. This guy is known as a media spin merchant, as has been commented on by a few journalists who know how he works. Whilst he wasnt backed well at Forest, my best buddy is a Forest fanatic and said he did little for them there and talked a lot of waffle Sounds familiar. Also, he had the same fitness guy , and he had little impact too. Great !!

  • 11 Munster Mag // Oct 16, 2015 at 4:50 PM

    Optimistic, Kamara would stick up for most managers if the shot their mothers so you are v correct. What did he say exactly ?

  • 12 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 16, 2015 at 4:56 PM

    Ed, you keep calling John Carver and his disastrous appointment. Carver was asked to step in till the end of the season. He did that. You seem to think that Alan Pardew would have breezed through the remaining fixtures. The fact is we avoided relegation with a very poor squad. Yes, under pressure, Carver came out with a lot of embarrassing nonsense. Just the same as Pardew did and just the same as Steve McClaren is now doing.

    The more you go on about Carver, the more you traduce your own blog, hilarious as your obsession with him may be to me and others. Please let us have sn article in which you let us know why you believe Makro is doing worse than Carver even with £50m of reinforcements.

  • 13 stuart no9 // Oct 16, 2015 at 4:57 PM

    lets just wait and see how much support ashley gives him (SM) come xmas when we are certs to go down and ashley loses about £400M in tv rights and all hs free advertising world wide for his tacky clothes shop haha, something tells me little stevies feet may not touch the ground on his way out of the club, thats if hes still here at xmas

  • 14 Munster Mag // Oct 16, 2015 at 4:57 PM

    It was also a strange way of getting Elliott ready. At least our distribution will be better now. SMC suggesting thats its all bad luck and disaster at NUFC to an international Sky audience is just ridiculous communication out of him. I would expect more from him at that level, whatever about man management, motivation and winning games.

  • 15 John Tudor // Oct 16, 2015 at 4:59 PM

    he could give him all the support he likes
    it will never be enough

  • 16 Munster Mag // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:03 PM

    Blackley, I’m sorry but that not true. Pardew was a PR genius compared to the lunatic Charva. Please give examples of what you mean. For example, when did Pardew go so far as to hang a player out to dry like Charva did with Mike Williamson? Lets be fair here, Pardew got away with murder, but he was a smart cookie in front of the cameras. And even when he was under intense pressure after head butt and PardewOut campaign, he kept his head well. None of us liked the Reading type approach, but Carver was a loon, end of.

  • 17 Munster Mag // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:07 PM

    Blackley, also i think some of us see some chance that if we actually win a game soon, it might get us going because SMC has been an ex Man U asst mgr, england boss etc. Whereas Carver was an aggressive cone carrier and little else.

  • 18 stuart no9 // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:08 PM

    munster —– i thiunk your right about pardew . He could charm the birds out the trees , in front of the cameras he talked a good talk, even though it was bulls”t , he fooled a hell of a lot of people.

  • 19 GeordieTwo // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:10 PM

    Fong them! Fong those deceitful rapscallions I say! Show now mercy!

  • 20 GeordieTwo // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:11 PM

    Or possibly show no mercy!

  • 21 Munster Mag // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:23 PM

    Stuart, unless he ballses up soon at Paliss, we can safely start saying that he had a defensive philosophy at NUFC with counter attacking style ( i know, he only seemed to find his way late but…) but if you dont give the man who coaches the team the players HE wants for HIS style , then it aint going to work unless the guy is a coaching genius who can work with any type of player. Lets just hope for a win v Norwich, but SMC certainly left me worrying this week.

  • 22 GeordieTwo // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:23 PM

    I’m glad you lads and lasses are trying to get some humour out of our present situation. I believe we have the poorest owner in English football in terms of what he is actually doing to develop a good football club. Mike Ashley does what he has always done: make money hand over fist by using us to advertise his rags. And so I am now pleased to officially announce here and now the beginning of the Support Your Big Fat Donkey Rally of 2015. Get out there mates with your flags, signs, posters, whatever and make it clear how you feel about your Big Fat Donkey!!! And make it clear who the Big Fat Donkey is! Mike Ashley loves free advertising so let’s give him some!!! 😈

  • 23 GeordieTwo // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:27 PM

    In support of the Big Fat Donkey Rally of 2015 beermonkey and I will be carrying wor beloved cause to a secret location in Europe!!! The 2 man wheeled bobsled tour will continue!! Yes mates we will proudly display a massive Support Your Big Fat Donkey flag on tour!!! The donations will pour in! Zloteys, rubles, drachma, pfennigs,…. we accept it all!!! Carry your Big Fat Donkey banners proudly!!! Huzzah!!!!!

  • 24 GeordieinOhio // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:31 PM

    Geordie Two

    will you lads be singing the “Big Fat Donkey Rally Anthem” of

    “sell up fatty, ah sell up fatty, cos we hate ya,”
    “sell up fatty, ah sell up fatty, cos we hate ya,”

  • 25 GeordieTwo // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:33 PM

    Spirits are low, points are few, goal difference is negative (as usual) but fear not!!! I will carry on mocking wor owner!!! And now a little ditty for you know who:
    What do you do with a Big Fat Donkey,
    What do you do with a Big Fat Donkey,
    What do you do with a Big Fat Donkey,
    Earl-eye in the morning!
    Way hay and up he rises
    Way hay and up he rises
    Way hay and up he rises
    Earl-eye in the morning
    Shave his nads with a rusty razor,
    Shave his nads with a rusty razor,
    Shave his nads with a rusty razor,
    Earl-eye in the morning!

  • 26 Toon Tang // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:33 PM

    Sang to the chorus of ‘Lip up fatty’ by bad manners

  • 27 GeordieTwo // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM

    Good one GeordieinOhio mate! Keep up those good thoughts! Bring positive energy to the Big Fat Donkey!!!

  • 28 Toon Tang // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:35 PM

    Sell up, fatty, ah, sell up fatty, for the reggae
    Sell up, fatty, ah, Sell up fatty, for the reggae

  • 29 Toon Tang // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:36 PM

    Reggae needs to be changed to something though, answers on a postcard people..

  • 30 GeordieinOhio // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:38 PM

    will there be an International Tour Geordie Two??

  • 31 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:41 PM


    You ask me why I’m saying what I’m saying about Pardew and yet you think nothing of saying, “And even when he was under intense pressure after head butt and PardewOut campaign, he kept his head well.”

    Let’s say you had to tell an American, new to football, about Percy at the Toon. You explain he headbutted a player (how many managers in the history of the game have done this?) but he kept his head well under pressure.

    You reckon Percy was a PR genius compared to Carver. Have you forgotten his legendary excuses that turned the fans against him or his attacks on match officials and other managers?

  • 32 GeordieTwo // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:45 PM

    And now the latest from deep within the bowels of wor club. Here it is mates, the eagerly anticipated Senior Official Club Journo interview with Steve (I’ve got some big ones so don’t worry) McLaren!!!!
    SOCJ: Steve it’s good to speak with you again as we approach another critical match.
    Steve: Well ta to you G2, it’s always good to get the word out on what a tremendous club we have here.
    SOCJ: Excellent Steve. Now how is the atmosphere in the dressing room after the loss of Tim Krul and the fairly lengthy injury list?
    Steve: the atmosphere is excellent G2. We’ve got some mighty big personalities in that room. Colo has been seen crouched next to his locker muttering something in Spanish like “why won’t they let me leave, all I want to do is leave”, Cisse limps around with a big smile on his face slapping Tiote on the back and comparing bank balances, and Mitro has been banging his heed on walls and muttering something that apparently translates into “I’m going to kill my agent for getting me into this!!!”. So as you can see G2 we’re up for a relegation battle, no doubt about it!!!
    SOCJ: Ahhh, I see. Yes…..well I had better let you get back to it….

  • 33 GeordieTwo // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:47 PM

    Of course there will be an international tour GeordieinOhio mate!!! Get your battle thong on and join us. Rally in the streets, rally in the pubs, get oot there and sing the praises of the Big Fat Donkey!!!!

  • 34 Munster Mag // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    Blackley if u cant see that pardew was a media savvy cookie compared to charva who ranted against a limited pro like williamson, then you cant see much mate.

  • 35 GeordieTwo // Oct 16, 2015 at 5:54 PM

    I can see something Munster mate. I can see you with your Big Fat Donkey flag parading proudly through the streets!!!!

  • 36 GeordieTwo // Oct 16, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    And now Bob Marley lyrics for Toon Tang:
    Most people think Fat Donkey will come from the sky
    Take away ev’rything, and make ev’rybody feel high
    But if you know what life is worth
    You would look for yours on earth
    And now you see the light
    You stand up for your right, yeah!
    Join wor Big Fat Donkey rally mates!!!!

  • 37 GeordieTwo // Oct 16, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    Sometimes I worry a bit aboot Steve…..Is the pressure getting to him? Has the Big Fat Donkey already muttered something threatening?

  • 38 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 16, 2015 at 6:08 PM

    You can’t talk absolute bollox and come out with ridiculous excuses day in day out in front of the media and claim to be media savvy. What’s hard about that? The media is only a conduit to the fans. The evidence is the fans didn’t want to him and were aghast at his embarassing actions and comments. That is surely the test of his media savvy. I can’t for the life of me think why you would say Pardew was the least bit media savvy. You cite Carvers treatment of Willo. What did you make of media savvy Pardew calling Willo “the other guy” after Mbiwa arrived? Then having to revert to him.

  • 39 GeordieinOhio // Oct 16, 2015 at 6:29 PM

    Geordie two


    wave ya Big Fat Donkey flag high!!

    Emancipate yourself from ashleys slavery,
    None but ourselves can free our minds.
    Have no fear for Charnley’s antic’s,
    ‘Cause none of them can stop the time.
    How long shall they kill our club,
    While we stand aside and look?
    Some say it’s just a part of it,
    We’ve got to fulfill the book.

    Won’t you help to sing
    These songs of freedom?
    ‘Cause all I ever want,
    is ashley out!,
    is ashley out!,

  • 40 Tinman // Oct 16, 2015 at 7:02 PM

    This internet in the countryside is killing me. Sorry for not replying to anyone…

  • 41 Mister Tuff // Oct 16, 2015 at 7:03 PM

    Munster – you seem to be excluding the fact the King Percy was initially a loose cannon – they had to have his press conferences chaperoned by Louise Taylor (the PR woman) who constantly interupted him -in respect of what he could or could not say.
    He may be better now.
    When he was at West Ham – they had to have him instructed by a female PR officer he was that poor -even down to racist comments which were overheard at the training ground. ( there are other stories about the female PR officer which you may imagine – – knowing old Percy).
    Clearly more slippery than Carver without a doubt.

  • 42 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 16, 2015 at 7:28 PM

    I seem to recall the media savvy King Percy got himself the boot from MOTD for his poor choice of words. That takes some doing.

  • 43 jimiley // Oct 16, 2015 at 7:34 PM

    Form is temporary but class is permanent. Schteeve is an ex England manager with loads of knowledge about umbrellas. These will come in useful during the dark wet days ahead and we should get behind him and Penfold. His ability is not in doubt and he will save us and lead us to bigger and better things. Penfold may get wet but Schteeve wont. I wonder if he can get me a cheap one? Three wins in 23 games including a hammering for Northampton Town!!!! No brollies there. The future is safe, the future is bright.

  • 44 Jail for Ashley // Oct 16, 2015 at 7:34 PM

    Munster Mag52,
    Jeezus H Christ, ok, Pardew is not totally crap, he was with us and is now doing ok at Palace, maybe he could have done better here with more backing, especially after he finished fifth, but he never got it and appeared to be publicly happy with his lot in return for him and his mates juicy contacts, he along with Mike Ashley dragged us through the mud knowing success was never on the cards just to line his pockets, non toon fans might say well can you blame him, I certainly don’t have to like or respect him for it, now STFU about him you pair of big girls blouses,. Mag52, you are the worst as in your chronic dislike of Ashley you can not see that Pardew was a major cog in his turning us into a zombie club now that he has gone you can see what’s happening, would you rather we just existed with shyte horrible football and not competing, going against all the moral and ethical notions of the sport just to exist in the PL to line fatties pockets.

  • 45 jimiley // Oct 16, 2015 at 7:41 PM

    McClaren must do something else Ed………

    throw Penfold and Big Mike into a cement mixer which is full of cement and churning.

  • 46 AncientC // Oct 16, 2015 at 7:47 PM

    You should read Pardew’s comments about West Ham in his upcoming game… talking about how West Ham have a much better side and how Crystal Palace will try to compete etc.

    He has found his level with a backs against the wall side. Every point achieved with Palace is treated like manna from heaven. If Crystal Palace finish this season in the top 10, next season will come with expectations… that is when you will witness Pardew’s strategy fold like a house of cards.

    Counter attacking sides are merely just teams that are incapable of doing the initial attacking – drawn out over time, it weakens from counter-attacking to just containing. They will be in trouble once they lose Bolaise and the weight of expectations is put on their shoulders.

  • 47 jimiley // Oct 16, 2015 at 7:50 PM

    Ancient C

    Yep, Palace are in a really bad place. I bet their fans are really browned off. Unlike us, who are lapping up the total football at SJP.

  • 48 AncientC // Oct 16, 2015 at 7:54 PM

    jimiley, when did I suggest that Palace fans were unhappy? You should stay away from the satire and sarcasm until you can understand how it works. (I doubt that will be anytime soon)

  • 49 Mister Tuff // Oct 16, 2015 at 7:58 PM

    Blackley – yes that’s right – something about one player “raping” another.

  • 50 SUTTY1978 // Oct 16, 2015 at 8:00 PM

    Just watching Forest on Sky Sports, Looks like Colo used his 2 weeks off well, giving training sessions in Nottingham by the looks of things!

  • 51 jimiley // Oct 16, 2015 at 8:03 PM

    Ancient C,
    You are right, they are as happy as larry with their football. I bet they are not aware of the sale of Bolaise and being in trouble next season. I wont tell them if you dont.

  • 52 AncientC // Oct 16, 2015 at 8:04 PM

    Oh well, it looks like jimiley has cut and run.

    Until the next time… when one of his malappropriated uses of satire appears again.

  • 53 AncientC // Oct 16, 2015 at 8:08 PM

    jimiley, that is two posts in which you have subsequently claimed “I bet,” do you normally struggle with your vocabulary?

    If I am going to help you with your vocabulary and teach you ‘sarcasm,’ I may have to start charging you.

  • 54 jimiley // Oct 16, 2015 at 8:20 PM


    I have to bow to your obvious superior intelligence, intellect and pomposity. Lessons on sarcasm and enlarged vocabulary are welcome……. some other time. Bowing out now to get a life.

  • 55 AncientC // Oct 16, 2015 at 8:22 PM

    Adios Amigo.

    ‘AncientC’ was the name you were looking for, btw.

  • 56 Average_Contents // Oct 16, 2015 at 8:37 PM

    My ears are burning….

  • 57 Mag52 // Oct 16, 2015 at 8:38 PM


    Are you seriously saying that our club was in good hands before Ashley employed Alan Pardew ? It certainly seems like it.
    Ashley had some four years at NUFC before AP arrived. The cack handed way he has gone about running the club from day one (including, in case you had forgotten, a relegation) convinced most people, apart, clearly from yourself, that he was pig ignorant of how a football club should be run, and that he was in the business to milk our club for as much as he could get away with irrespective of the consequences for the supporters.
    The way in which you continually accuse AP of being behind our problems rather than fat Ash makes me wonder if you have chosen an inappropriate tag for yourself.
    Are you sure you don’t want to change it to ‘Jail for Pardew’. That would let Ashley off the hook, which you seem happy to do.

  • 58 Jib // Oct 16, 2015 at 8:49 PM

    Sundays Teams

  • 59 Jib // Oct 16, 2015 at 8:54 PM

    I think possibly more important than the loss of Krul is the resurrection of Siem de Jong who is starting to look the business.

  • 60 Our Toon // Oct 16, 2015 at 8:55 PM

    Still got some die hard pardew lovers, give it a rest man the bloke was useless. Good on him for doing well with palace, he was plucked from obscurity. League 1 manager, on the dole and no where to go and no one wanted him. We took him because he was cheap gave him some seriously good players and he came 5th for the 1st and last time in his career. You lot go on as if he was some world class manager.

    Can you pardew lovers please explain why a manager who left because he ultimately got no say in transfers has targeted Remy, Ba, Colo and Cabaye since moving? Add shola into that mix as well.

    Why out of all his signings is cabaye the only starter? I’m glad he had no say over transfers!!

  • 61 Tinman // Oct 16, 2015 at 8:59 PM

    Got great faith in Mitro. Think he will get 2 and we will win on Sunday! Who is going? Tickets are cheap, attendance dropping…?

  • 62 Tinman // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:00 PM

    Absolutely sick of the Pardew brigade. He was awful. He still is. He inherited a decent Palace side, he will fluster very soon. Hope he doesn’t get the England job by then, the media love him since he is a cockney

  • 63 Tinman // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:02 PM

    Jib, honestly don’t think Krul will be a huge loss. Our attacking might improve with better distribution, it starts at Krul and he is awful with his feet. He is a great shot stopper though. Would have rathered Darlow than Elliott, he is a better keeper based on what I saw of him last year. Don’t like Elliott, can never understand a professional footballer in this day and age who is overweight…. Training 5 days a week ffs. It’s ridiculous

  • 64 Tinman // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:08 PM

    The good and bad of Steve McClaren’s mouth this week

  • 65 martoon // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:11 PM

    Jib @58 – I can’t believe you haven’t got Perez in your team!

  • 66 Jail for Ashley // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:12 PM

    Are you winding me up, I have been one of the most vocal voices on this site against Mike Ashleys running of the club even when I was one of the very few and taking shed loads of abuse, I know very well who the main culprit was and still is, your hero Pardew was totally complicit in his running of the club, smirking in front of the cameras despite being constantly hung out to dry, he knew fine well that he was never going to be allowed to win anything yet still took the money, you are absolutely blind if you think that I blame all our problems on Alan Pardews arrival rather than that fateful day in 2007.

  • 67 Jib // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:12 PM


  • 68 Jib // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:20 PM

    Jail for Ashley
    I have been one of the most vocal voices
    also one of the deafest lugs
    and the mistiest eyes
    the lumpiest carbuncles
    the pussiest spots (ugh)
    the thickest skulls
    the smelliest armpits
    etc. etc, etc.
    not forgetting the stupidest prats.

  • 69 Jail for Ashley // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:23 PM

    Put all of them together and it’s still better than being the most despised cretin that ever posted on here !

  • 70 jimmysmith // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:27 PM

    It’s difficult to fit Perez and De Jong in the same side, assuming Colback and Sissoko play. I like the idea of getting Tiote and De Jong in there because of their leadership and experience. Perez is more than good enough to start, but can be equally effective for us off the bench, and we’ve seen so little of Tiote and De Jong who can be big and influential players.

    One of our problems is that Anita and Colback are no Tiote and Cabaye in their pomp, but nor is Tiote and Colback you/d think. Tiote and Sissoko might offer more, but Cabaye had that wonderful range of passing, and dead ball delivery that we still miss much.

  • 71 Mag52 // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:29 PM


    Pardew is not a cockney.

    Our Toon.

    Not surprising surely that AP tried to get Remy, Ba and Cabaye is it ? All did well at SJP. He would have kept them all here had it been up to him.
    Colo, not sure about him, but three out four is OK. As for Shola, squad player going free – why not ?

  • 72 Jib // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:35 PM

    Pardew born in Wembley miles away from bowbells

  • 73 Jib // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:37 PM

    Martoon – sorry that’s the Guardians team not mine!

  • 74 jimmysmith // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:38 PM

    I don’t quite understand why talking about Pardew can be considered irritating. Comparing the performances of Pardew with us and Palace, and McC now, helps to shine a light on the way the club operates, and how it is or isn’t developing. Pardew remains relevant to us.

  • 75 martoon // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:41 PM

    jimmysmith @70 – All very well but I’ve just put Perez in my fantasy football team so he has to start 🙂

  • 76 jimmysmith // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:43 PM

    Ok he’s in.

  • 77 SUTTY1978 // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:44 PM

    Mag52 you really do seem more interested in Pardew than you do in Newcastle. It’s almost like Toonbrother with Colo or Kets with Paul Scharner. I don’t get the obsession. If you were being very kind you could say he did well in some of his time at the toon but that is tempered with some awful runs, woeful style of football and the man himself being an absolute tosser.
    Time to put it to bed.

  • 78 martoon // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:44 PM

    Jib @73 Ah I see I thought it was your team selection. Also I’m not sure about Colback & Tiote – not much creativity there.

  • 79 Mag52 // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:45 PM


    Pardew was doing the job he was paid for – managing the team with all the restrictions placed upon him by the owner.
    If he was in any way complicit in Ashley’s regime, then so was every other employee down to the groundsmen, because they all took the Ashley coin at the end of each month. That’s how ridiculous your argument is.

  • 80 Jail for Ashley // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:49 PM

    It’s the Bow bells, Bow bells is not a place thicko !

  • 81 Average_Contents // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:51 PM

    Bigi and toney scored tonight in a 2-0 win.

    At least the under-21’s have tasted victory….

  • 82 Jail for Ashley // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:51 PM

    The groundsmen are faceless working class people, they do not have to grin and smirk in front of the cameras while lying through their teeth.

  • 83 Mag52 // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:53 PM


    There’s no obsession. I’m simply pointing out that, with a different owner here, with someone who would let a manager actually manage, we could have had a far happier time under Pardew and even some success as a club.
    I’m reluctant to mention Palace because it’s early days yet for him there, but if you’ve had the chance to watch them at all this year you’ll see what I mean.

  • 84 SUTTY1978 // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:54 PM

    Jimmy, you could also compare with his style at West Ham, that started well also, just like he did with us, just like he’s doing with Palace. He’s a honeymoon period manager. He’s always started well, he’s always ended with fans demanding his head.

  • 85 Our Toon // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:59 PM


    That’s the point I’m making though, he complained about the players he had and then tried to sign 3 of them Colo remy and Ba, ended up with Shola and Cabaye. What about the lads he has bought though, imagine if he was in charge of transfers here:
    Jordan Mutch 6m
    Lee Chong Yong 1m
    Connor Whickham 7m
    Alex Mccarthy 3.5m

    Only cabaye starts who cost 10m, the rest are Pulis players!!

  • 86 SUTTY1978 // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:02 PM

    Mag, you’ve been trying to point it out for months though.
    The fact is that he played a similar system to what he’s doing at palace with us. The problem is that he only did that twice and only for about six games each time. Those two times were when he played 433 with Ben Arfa, Cisse and Ba up top and when we went on a run at this time last year when all his favourites were out injured.
    In both cases he purposefully made a change away from a team and system that were working to his defacto standard of contain and pray.
    If he had have tried to play in that fashion on a regular basis then you would have more people agreeing with you but the team were god awful to watch and on the wrong end of regular beatings.
    Give it time and he will be slating Bolasie and Zaha for not tracking back and ruining his own system. It’s in his DNA

  • 87 jimmysmith // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:02 PM

    You might also argue he has been on a steep learning curve in management, particularly at Newcastle, and is now far more capable than he was at West Ham. I quite liked Pardew and feel he did pretty well for us considering the financial restraints he worked under, but also accept it was time to move on, mainly because of the derbies.

  • 88 Our Toon // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:02 PM

    Forget us and palace he managed West ham, did well and got into Europe, managed to take a very good team and got sacked because he didn’t play Mascherano, Reo Coker and mullins were preferred, Tevez was a left winger and went on his worst goalless streak in his entire career whilst Cole was upfront

  • 89 Jib // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:09 PM

    Jail for Ashley // Oct 16, 2015 at 9:49 PM

    It’s the Bow bells, Bow bells is not a place thicko !

  • 90 Mag52 // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:11 PM


    Groundsmen look after the pitch. Part of a manager’s job is to get in front of a camera every so often to explain a result. Not an easy job if things are going badly, but it has to be done. I’ve watched enough smirks and grins following the results on a Saturday evening in my lifetime to say that Pardew’s are no worse or no better than a host of other managers. As for lying, it’s called manager speak, and they all do it.

  • 91 toon kk // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:14 PM

    Our toon
    I’m no Pards fan but he also managed a squad of players at Newcastle that were average at best, also any decent player we had Mash cashed in. He hardly had world class player’s to contend with. What do you think he could have done differently to get our squad further up the table?
    His biggest mistake was signing up to be a yes man, which is a condition of the job. Macca has put his name on the same contract.
    We have to look at the scouting, fitness levels and players brought in which are totally oot of their league.

  • 92 Our Toon // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:15 PM


    He lost to spurs and slated Zaha for not tracking back, next game Zaha single handedly won it for them for his attacking. Pardew will never learn but publicly dressing down one of your best players will bite him on the arse again

  • 93 martoon // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:16 PM

    JFA @82 – Hardly faceless – they’ve never been off the TV & radio this last 2 weeks with the switch over to rugby and then back again.

  • 94 welshgeordie9 // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:18 PM

    Wales to beat South Africa 25-23 tomorrow.

  • 95 Jail for Ashley // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:19 PM

    Are you saying that Pardew knew nothing about the clubs policy of deliberately wanting to exit the cups.

  • 96 welshgeordie9 // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:19 PM

    In Gatland we trust.

  • 97 Jail for Ashley // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:19 PM

    What’s their names ?

  • 98 Our Toon // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:21 PM

    Toon KK

    He still had the same players the following season, changed his formation from 433 which got us 5th and reverted to Ba upfront with Cisse on the wing, cisse as a Right Winger, the least technical of players…killed hos confidence after banging in 14 goals in 15 games or less. He bulked to Ba who ended up leaving for 7m in January, I don’t blame the scouting for that. No matter what anyone says you can’t go from 5th to fighting relegation like we did that season.

    He played hba in a europa league game when we’d already qualified, he did his hamstring in, then he bought him back to play on a plastic pitch which knacked him even further. He played Santon as DM against chelsea away, all in the same season. Was the scouting to blame for all of that? We’re the players to blame?

    Gutierriez came out and said they didn’t work hard enough in training and it showed on the pitch, his no1 name on the sheet was never seen again undr pards!! I could go on but I’d be here all night!!

  • 99 Jib // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:26 PM

    If Wales beat SA they deserve to win the RWC however the Yarpies are going to rip the taffs a new one tomorrow.
    Sorry my friend 🙁

  • 100 toon kk // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:26 PM

    Our toon
    maybe Macca is to soft with our players, they look like they need a good bollocking tbh, why the lazy attitude come the second half of every game.
    pards kept Zaha on his toes by his comments!
    Wish he played for us.

  • 101 Jail for Ashley // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:26 PM

    Out Toon,
    In his defence he was very badly let down after that, he should have walked but took an eight year deal instead.

  • 102 Mag52 // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:27 PM

    Sutty & Our Toon.

    I’m sure you guys know more about Pardew’s pre-Newcastle career than I do. I’m not too concerned with what happened at previous clubs. Most managers have been sacked during their careers and mistakes are learning experiences which help you to become better at your job.
    One thing I’m pretty sure of and that’s if a manager hits on a winning combination of players he will only break it up for some big reason. These reasons are often known only to him and his close associates. The likes of us can only guess at them.
    Pardew is happy to see the strength he has on the bench at Palace so long as the team he puts out is doing the job.

  • 103 martoon // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:27 PM

    JFA – the head groundsman is called Andrew Tulley who did most of the interviews but you got me on the others but there probably is a John and a Mike there always is 🙂

  • 104 Mister Tuff // Oct 16, 2015 at 10:37 PM

    King Percy was not born in Wembley he was born in Wimbledon. Wembley is in north London and Wimbledon in South London. About the same distance between them as Newcastle and Sunderland.

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