McClaren´s Unfortunate Example Of Loyalty

Steve McClaren has given a bit of a bizarre interview in which he says it´s important that he does the right thing at Newcastle and if people can see that he´s doing the right things then everything will be OK.

That´s true only up to a point and if Steve´s doing the right things then the team should start to play well – and after a disastrous start –  we should start winning some games.

steve mcclaren on touchline watford

Steve McClaren – he´s wrong about John Carver

This kind of stance is difficult to justify even now and it will more difficult to justify if we keep losing games, after we have just 3 points in the first 8 games – a stat we last had way back in the 1898-1899 season.

This is what Steve McClaren said on Thursday afternoon

“If you’re together and they know you’re doing the job and you’re doing it right and you’re doing the right things and the players are responding, then wherever you are — be it Newcastle or whatever — they’ll say, ‘You know what, we’re on the right lines.”

“We’ve got to make sure we do the right things and do the right job and go through the right process and if the club can see that. … That’s what John Carver demonstrated and obviously what Alan Pardew demonstrated. That’s what you call loyalty.”

“You don’t have loyalty if people are thinking, ‘this ain’t going to get any better.’ That’s at any club.”

“They knew that John Carver, with what happened last season, was doing the best he possibly could, the same with Alan Pardew. In the end, that loyalty — especially with Alan — was rewarded.”

“I have the belief that that is exactly the same with me. As long as we continue making progress — which I believe we are and they believe we are — then we keep going.”

“There’s always scrutiny on you, isn’t there? This is Newcastle. Always, from day one. But I’m experienced enough to know that, to deal with it and handle it, and it’s really not a problem.”

John Carver was doing the very best he possibly could – we know that – but if wasn´t anywhere near good enough – that was the problem.

It´s really unfortunate that Steve uses the example of John Carver  – because  let´s face it and tell the truth about John – he was completely over his head as the head coach.

His results also showed that and for the first time ever we lost 8 PL games in a row and we were almost relegated.

And John Carver and his assistant Steve Stone were unceremoniously sacked just before Steve McClaren came in,

Steve is trying to keep the fans and the hierarchy of the club on his side and give him some time – after an unexpected very poor start to the season – and there´s nothing much wrong with that.

But we must start winning some games soon – and we are already 6 points from safety after eight games  played – when you take into account our poor goal difference.

There has to be an uptick in our results very soon.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.

36 comments so far

  • Shot Bru

    Oct 16, 2015 at 1:09 AM

    Comment #1

    Get your brolly oot Wally and take cover…especially when Norwich turn you over with Colo the Clown in charge of your circus!

  • Blackley and Brownlie

    Oct 16, 2015 at 1:16 AM

    Comment #2

    I agree with you Ed. When we start doing the right things, we’ll start getting results.

    I would start doing the right things by sacking Charnley, Carr and Makro and employing successful people with top c.v.s. See where it takes us.

  • Sav

    Oct 16, 2015 at 3:14 AM

    Comment #3

    Although I didn’t want him in charge, like many other loyal Toon fans I have been prepared to give Macca the benefit of the doubt. But I am getting very frustrated and annoyed now at this sort of nonsense flying in the face of the facts and insulting the intelligence of anyone listening. We had enough of it from Carver who nearly took us down. Actions speak louder than words. It is BS to think of 10 games in as ‘an extended pre-season’. Who the hell does he think we are to give the rest of the league a head start? Deluded, or a liar? If everything is right, show the results. Until then, stop smiling at every camera and STF up.

  • jimmysmith

    Oct 16, 2015 at 3:28 AM

    Comment #4

    “the heir to Shilton and Schmeichel? Hahaha. You couldn’t make it up.”

    Which you did make up, of course, and thought so much of yourself for doing so, you felt compelled to post it twice.

    Deary me!

  • sickandtired

    Oct 16, 2015 at 5:23 AM

    Comment #5

    Ed once again spot-lighting Carver while letting Pardew off the hook completely.

    Who exactly are ‘they’? It can’t be us, the right minded support, so once again this sounds like major spin by the club.

    What more do ‘we’ have to give? I would suggest this is just confirmation that Schteeve is going to walk.

  • TroubledToon

    Oct 16, 2015 at 6:06 AM

    Comment #6

    Has the pressure got to Macca so bad? I think he’s gone insane

  • The overrated Frenchman

    Oct 16, 2015 at 6:10 AM

    Comment #7

    Every time McClaren opens his mouth he is less convincing. And that is coming off a low base as far as I’m concerned. [venom and bile warning:don’t read on if this disturbs you] Thee club has been largely a shambles since Ashley took over and continues to be, this season as much or more than ever. When will the penny drop with him that he just shouldn’t have a football club? One bad appointment leads to another and currently we have three incompetents effectively running the show. Forgive me for belabouring the point, but we are not stuck at the bottom of the table by chance.

  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Oct 16, 2015 at 6:12 AM

    Comment #8

    So he call it loyalty! I call it just another opportunist!

    …McClaren started out to remind me of Pardew in many ways and now here’s starting to sound just like Carver!

  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Oct 16, 2015 at 6:17 AM

    Comment #9

    TOF…the problem at hand is clearly the appointments both made by Ashley and those in position with responsibility!

    …and that so-called board is just a joke!

  • John Tudor

    Oct 16, 2015 at 6:20 AM

    Comment #10

    deary me
    we just dont learn
    sack the lot you to55p0t

  • Jail for Ashley

    Oct 16, 2015 at 6:23 AM

    Comment #11

    Oh dear a big Oh dear !
    Basically he’s saying that if you toe the line, keep schtum and give the impression everyone’s on board you’re not getting sacked !

  • John Tudor

    Oct 16, 2015 at 6:29 AM

    Comment #12

    lowest ever points total goes to
    fat cashley and his gang

  • John Tudor

    Oct 16, 2015 at 6:30 AM

    Comment #13
  • Ron Knee

    Oct 16, 2015 at 6:38 AM

    Comment #14


    We’ll never get rid of the Slug while we’re in the PL.

  • Ron Knee

    Oct 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM

    Comment #15

    ‘When asked if he was considering his future, McClaren shot back immediately: “No. Absolutely not.”‘

    Let’s see what he has to say after the next couple of matches.

  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:18 AM

    Comment #16

    Good morning Ron…maybe all we can hope for is that we start winning!

  • Ron Knee

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:20 AM

    Comment #17

    Morning jesper

    Maybe we should all perform voodoo ceremonies!

  • Jail for Ashley

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:22 AM

    Comment #18

    Just read Churnleys “leaked” e mail although it’s a very morbid humour it’s frighteningly real and only a little bit far fetched.

  • Jail for Ashley

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:24 AM

    Comment #19
  • Tsunki

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:27 AM

    Comment #20

    Oh well, he’s gone and stuck himself in the same camp as John carver. That’s cooked his goose as far as Eds concerned.

    You know, JC’s example should have taught you an important lesson. When you are losing matches, the players and the fans, keep the interviews down to a war cry. Better still, when you feel compelled to say something, don’t.

    Just start winning games. That’s all. Just win.

  • Ron Knee

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:29 AM

    Comment #21


    I liked:

    “By the end of this season we really feel that this club will be where it deserves to be…”

  • Tsunki

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:31 AM

    Comment #22

    it’s gallows humour all right. But you shouldn’t be reading it boys and girls, don’t you know the mag is a terrible place? Apparently the sage posters among us realise that they’re disloyal and uninformed, and worst of all, opinionated. 🙂

  • Jail for Ashley

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:33 AM

    Comment #23

    That bit about loyalty is the most worrying thing I’ve heard since Carver tried to demonise Santon over his move to Milan and Pardew dedicated the Chelsea win to Mikey after buying him 0 players in the summer.

  • Ron Knee

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:34 AM

    Comment #24

    On a Classical note again:

    “Those whom God wishes to destroy, he first makes mad.”

    Seems to be the fate of NUFC’s most recent managers.

  • Tsunki

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:38 AM

    Comment #25

    If we lose today, it will be a Battle Royale between the Coffin Polishers and the Mr Ashley is Thin Society. Having said that, if we win, the latter will claim this is the dawn of the Green Shoots Era, and that all critics will have egg on their faces now, etc.

  • Tsunki

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:39 AM

    Comment #26

    Today? This week! Ha ha give me a chance to set up my FPL team man!

  • Tsunki

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:43 AM

    Comment #27

    Of course it’s pretty unthinkable if we lose to relegation favourites. Where can Steve go from that? The January Sales?

  • Toon-Prodigy

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:48 AM

    Comment #28

    I don’t look too far into the coaches words personally. They have the difficult job of facing the media even when there are huge problems behind the scenes at this club that they are trying to address through no fault of their own. It dosn’t surprise me they talk sh1te and are scrutinized often.

    It’s Charnley im waiting for! I want to know if the squad problems are going to be sorted out.

  • Tsunki

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:48 AM

    Comment #29

    Jail @23 – at what point will Steve be no longer able to resist telling everyone he’s the best coach in the Premier League, I wonder? Does anyone know if he’s worked with SBR at some point? “SBR and me were the same – both England managers. We think alike Sir Bobby and me…”

  • firebug666

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:49 AM

    Comment #30

    McClaren needs to do us all a favour and keep his mouth shut.

    Krul would get us 20 goals a season?

    We are showing improvement?

    Christ almighty does he not realise we are going backwards not forwards.

    Judge me after 10 games!

    Might as well be saying after the season, because plan “A” if he ever had one has gone tits up, bottom of the league could never have been his vision of going forward.

    We are the only club in the league, nay in the country that has nothing positive coming out of it.

  • Ron Knee

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:50 AM

    Comment #31


    Maybe he can pick up a couple or three French wingers on special offer.

  • Tsunki

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:55 AM

    Comment #32

    I won who the next club ” communication with the fans” email is going to come from? I keep checking my inbox, just in case.

  • Tsunki

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:55 AM

    Comment #33

    *I wonder*

  • sing in the corner

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:56 AM

    Comment #34

    These are direct quotes from McClaren? I can hardly believe my eyes to be honest. He has to be cracking up to say this. Always willing to give someone a decent chance but this as each week slips by in the PL basement it smacks of fiddling while Rome burns.
    A win. on Sunday, please. And if you’ve nowt to say, keep quiet.

  • jon.c

    Oct 16, 2015 at 7:56 AM

    Comment #35

    We have had enough bull shit off SMc just more excuses worse than J C.Please just walk the job is too big for you and the board with you

  • Moonraker15

    Oct 16, 2015 at 11:47 AM

    Comment #36

    Time to shut the fcuk up and deliver McClaren! Declaring that Krul is worth 18 points a season means we will lose at least another 6 games hence we need 12 wins from 24 games to survive. Fortunately for us its all bollocks cos Krul ain’t that good anyway!

    How can we be so fcuking useless with our support and resources?


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