Newcastle Need These Players – Not Trophy Signings


There has been lots of news in the press – it´s true it´s mainly been from the national press – about Newcastle signing 33 year-old Manchester United goalkeeper Victor Valdes, who seems to be a player who has been squeezed out at the Red Devils by new manager Louis van Gaal.

With Tim Krul being out for the season, there has been lots of news that we should sign Victor either on loan or permanently in January.

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Victor Valdes – Manchester United top goalkeeper

But we have strengthened the goalkeeping department since last season and we now have Rob Elliot, Karl Darlow and young Freddie Woodman as first team goalkeepers at the club to fill in for Tim.

The first thing the club has to do is give a chance to these players to see if they can fill the boots of Tim – and we expect  Rob Elliot can do that and Karl Darlow and Freddie Woodman can push him to play very well if the Republic of Ireland International wants to keep his place in the side.

It´s a huge opportunity for 29 year-old Rob Elliot who has a contract at the club through June 2019.

Only if the goalkeepers we have cannot do the job should we look at bringing in another more experienced goalkeeper in January – probably on loan.

And we see a couple of reports saying it would be good for Newcastle to buy Valdes – because it would be a trophy signing and be good for Newcastle.

But we made a lot of those trophy signings in the past under Freddie Shepherd and most of them consisted of bringing in older players with big names but way past their best.

We paid them huge wages while they performed often at a mediocre level – at best.

Patrick Kluivert was signed in 2004 just before Sir Bobby Robson was sacked and is a good example of a singing like that.

We don´t need that kind of trophy signing and they didn´t work in the past.

Under Mike Ashley,  we have gone in the other direction and try to sign low profile young players on the cheap who can potentially become good players in the future – but our success rate at that has been 50% at best.

Ayoze Perez who was signed over  a year ago from Tenerife is a good example of that – we paid £1.4M for him and Spurs bid £15M for him in the summer – so some of those signings have been very successful.

The type of continental signing we need are also players like Gini Wijnaldum who are (very) good players who want their chance in the Premier League and Newcastle go out and pay out good money for them – £14.5M in Gini´s case.

Gini is looking like a very good player for us with six goals so far this season and of course he scored four goals last time out and  maybe four tomorrow too at Sunderland.

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The other thing we need to do is to pay  a little more when necessary for British players because they don´t have such a long learning curve and in the past we´ve had to wait for continental players to adjust to the pace and physical nature of the English game.

And some simply  don´t make it with Remy Cabella (and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa) being an example of one of them.

So instead of only recruiting from the continent we should also bring in more English players like we recently did with Jamaal Lascelles and Karl Darlow.

The Newcastle United brand needs to become more  global and higher profile and the best way to do that is to finish in the top six in the Premier League and we need to spend our money wisely to build a side that can do that.

Not on trophy signings and not always on cheap continental players.

It has to be a combination of those various types of signings and include players in Britain who are of  known value – like Charlie Austin of QPR as one good example.

And very good continental players who can come in and adjust quickly to the Premier League – like Joel Matip of Schalke as a good example.

Trophy signings are a thing of the past at Newcastle and should remain that way – we need to spend our money wisely and not always sign cheaper players from the continent.

And we should only be signing a player like Victor Valdes on loan in January if is our current goalkeepers cannot get the job done.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.


92 comments so far

  • sparky55

    Oct 24, 2015 at 9:17 AM

    Comment #1

    Someone in a previous thread made a very good point earlier…it’s not really about if we should play Anita…It’s more about who should play with him.

    Tiote and Colback are very much the same player…both clumsy in the tackle, both a bit headless and both niggly nasty best@rds who disrupt…but it’s Anita that brings calm and intelligent passes along with the not so physical harassing.

    Back in the day we used to have Dave MaCreery to do the job Tiote and Colback do…he did nothing but spoil…no fancy runs once he got the ball, no turning on the spot into trouble, no fancy 30 yard cross field passes…he’d harrass, spoil, put his head in where it always hurt, get the ball and pass it 5 yards to his midfield partner and job done.

    That’s why I think we should play either Colback or Tiote with Anita…I think we’ll achieve a lot more

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  • SUTTY1978

    Oct 24, 2015 at 9:40 AM

    Comment #2

    Kluivert scored 13 goals for us in that one season he was here, damn good return and a quality player. Never got what people had against him. Mitro probably wont get to 13 goals this season.

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  • SUTTY1978

    Oct 24, 2015 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #3

    Sparky, the problem is that what does Anita offer other than a five yard pass and running round a bit? Nowt. All well and good having one player to do the dirty work and lay it off but only if the player they lay it off to can do something with it. Anita just does the same laying off but without the dirty work and without an attacking contribution. The whole lot need clearing out. CM has gone from recently being our strongest position within the team to our weakest. We at least have 1 decent CB, we have no decent CM’s. This can obviously be attributed to our two best CM’s being turned into wingers but I do feel they play well there.

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  • nut meg

    Oct 24, 2015 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #4

    sutty
    25 PL games 6 goals

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Oct 24, 2015 at 9:48 AM

    Comment #5

    I was really please that Kluivert signed, and thought he did generally ok. Albeit he peaked earlier, he was still a very accomplished player and had excellent touches and control. He scored a number of goals as well. The pairing with Bellamy may have been more functional because of his running off the ball.

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  • Ibizatoon

    Oct 24, 2015 at 9:52 AM

    Comment #6

    Sutty…Was just checking that out as that stat surprised me. In the PL he got 6 in 25 (roughly 1 in 4), in the domestic cups he got 2 in 6 (1 in 3). It was in Europe that he did well for us, scoring 5 goals in 6 games.

    Seeing as we don’t have Europe, a fairer benchmark for Mitro would perhaps be 8 goals in 31 games, which is nearly 1 in 4 games.

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  • SUTTY1978

    Oct 24, 2015 at 9:56 AM

    Comment #7

    Nut meg, 6 in PL, 2 in FA cup, 5 in Uefa cup – 13 total

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Oct 24, 2015 at 9:57 AM

    Comment #8

    Some of Kluivert’s goals for us: http://youtu.be/ikdDOroelU0

    My namesake with a few of assists as well.

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  • Small World

    Oct 24, 2015 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #9

    SUTTY1978 // Oct 24, 2015 at 9:40 AM

    Kluivert was a standout player in that team, however if he had been applying himself properly his goal tally would have been double that. The guy was truly world class and hell bent on pissing away his career prior to joining us. He scored more often on the pick up with the lasses in the Osborne Road bars where he did most of his “training”. He did a job for us, where as he could have done a brilliant job for almost any club in the world had he had the mind to do it. I don’t think we fought off any major competition in signing him, and likewise what did he do after leaving the Toon?

    Mitro will give his all for out team, though most likely never be in the same class Kluivert was. If he does make that grade, we’ll be laughing – but I severely doubt it.

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  • SUTTY1978

    Oct 24, 2015 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #10

    I remember a game we played against Sochaux I think it was. He was immense, think we won 3 or 4 nil. One of the best performances I have seen from a toon player.
    Bear in mind also that he was generally played out of position. He was a classic no.9 but obv. Shearer had that spot so he was either used as a sub or left in a 433.

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  • sparky55

    Oct 24, 2015 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #11

    Sutty

    I’m just talking about which combination out of the three players we have available to us would work best for the game tomorrow.

    My point is why have two players that do the exact same thing (harass and spoil) play in the same team when good intelligent passing from midfield to Sissoko, Winji, Perez, Mitro or whoever will be key tomorrow.

    Tiote is still off the pace but I guess will come good over the next month or so and he can recapture his presence of old and stop turning into trouble and losing possession (something he does at least 5 times a game BTW) then our options are greater and varied depending on who we’re playing…but for tomorrow I believe we have to start with a c calm head and someone who can pick a pass as opposed to two hot heads with limited ability…so IMO that means Anita and an other.

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  • SUTTY1978

    Oct 24, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #12

    I certainly wasn’t meaning my comparison as a slur on Mitro, love the guy already. Also agree that he could have been even better if he hadn’t been chasing the ladies quite so much. Pretty sure his missus divorced him just after he came here so must have been enjoying himself!

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Oct 24, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #13

    I think that regardless of the potential of a player, yes it would be ideal if they play to their maximum effort, but even without that and are relatively ‘coasting’ they still possess more skill than the average ‘grafter’ or ‘he gets stuck in’ merchant. You need a balance throughout the team.

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  • SUTTY1978

    Oct 24, 2015 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #14

    LR, your namesake being a prime example!

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  • Ibizatoon

    Oct 24, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #15

    Sutty…Didn’t take it as a slur against Mitro 🙂

    Was just offering some perspective on the achievement.

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  • SUTTY1978

    Oct 24, 2015 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #16

    Ibiza, lets compare him to Riviere then, he’s had a full season!

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  • Ibizatoon

    Oct 24, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #17

    Sutty…We may as well bring Shola in to the mix then 🙂

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Oct 24, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #18

    Sutty, yes, bit his skill levels were incredible, and that’s what Sir Bobby recognised as well. Privilege to see those great goals.

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  • sparky55

    Oct 24, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #19

    Let’s big it up for John Robertson and Billy Whitehirst then!…both very prolific whilst at newcastle

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  • SUTTY1978

    Oct 24, 2015 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #20

    LR, I know, one of my fave players as well!

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  • AncientC

    Oct 24, 2015 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #21

    Completely agree with Sutty in regards to Anita. You could watch our games and forget Anita was even on the pitch for large periods, such is the anonymity of his contribution. Anita is good at harrying players, but he seems ineffectual to me.

    Tiote is shaky at the best of times, but for me, I would rather have a shaky firewall over Anita acting as a shadow. I don’t rate Anita as a neat passer either, he stabs the ball at other players which makes it difficult for those on the end of his passes to control.

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  • sparky55

    Oct 24, 2015 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #22

    seems strange then how we held Norwich at bay in the 2nd half last week when they threw everything at us with Anita on the pitch and Tiote off it then doesn’t it?

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  • sing in the corner

    Oct 24, 2015 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #23

    Regarding all this continuing Tiote talk..
    He has DONE NOTHING IN THE LAST YEAR to prove he is back to the player people seem to be remembering with rose tinted specs. That, in a nutshell, is what he has to do if he’s going to start a game, in my opinion.

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  • Tsunki

    Oct 24, 2015 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #24

    Not strange Sparky. Tiote at his best is a demolition man who breaks the opponents midfield with sturdy tackling and laying the ball off to someone who can create play. Anita on his day is a clean distributor and sometimes astute tackler who is busy enough to frustrate the opponent trying to create their own possession play. The former is ok when you are defending a slim lead, the latter when you want to get one. I know which I would prefer theses days, seeing as Tiote is way off his game.

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  • sparky55

    Oct 24, 2015 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #25

    Tsunki

    My point pretty much exactly…that’s why IMO it should be Anita plus AN OTHER and never Colback and Tiote

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  • Tsunki

    Oct 24, 2015 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #26

    My biggest problem with Tiote, form aside, is his inability to make a creative pass, or to participate in one-two play.

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  • AncientC

    Oct 24, 2015 at 11:01 AM

    Comment #27

    sparky55 – Anita coming on isn’t necessarily the reason we didn’t concede as many in the 2nd half against Norwich.

    Didn’t they hit the woodwork and have an effort cleared off the line in the 2nd half. Also, our side seemed more interested in containing than attacking for the first 15/20 minutes of the 2nd half. You can also factor in the moral factor hurting Norwich once we did score in the 2nd period.

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  • sparky55

    Oct 24, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #28

    along with his very unique ability to collect a pass and perform a very ungainly pirouette into trouble and lose possession…he’s got that particular unique talent off to a tee.

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  • AncientC

    Oct 24, 2015 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #29

    I have been a big critic of Tiote in the past, so I am not singing his praises, I just believe Anita is a bit of a passenger.

    Tiote will have an impact on a game when he plays. If you had to pick one player from our side that has minimal impact on a game, it would have be Anita. (for me anyway)

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  • Jan Stavik

    Oct 24, 2015 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #30

    Why all the talk about Matip, Ed? He’s a Titus Bramble kind of defender, do we really want that? He has serious concentration issues, and suddenly looses his man… I would stay far away from him, for sure not pay big money for him.

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  • Fostino

    Oct 24, 2015 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #31

    Let’s call a spade a spade. Anita average at best. Tiote shown himself to be a great dm. He gets the nod. This can allow the other cm to push forward if he is on his game. That might not be colback. He’s nothing amazing either but coukd be wini in the middle with thauvin taking the wing spot or the much lived rolando when he returns

    On another point I’d love to see dummett on the middle with mbemba before Xmas. Colo passed it. We Def new a new l.b. at Xmas. Haidira average

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  • sparky55

    Oct 24, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    Comment #32

    Ancient C

    So what you’re saying is we seemed to come out in the 2nd half with the instruction of containing the lead and as part of that strat?egy SM took off Tiote and brought on Anita????

    I wonder why that would be

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  • AncientC

    Oct 24, 2015 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #33

    sparky55

    Tiote was taken off because he was on a booking and lacking fitness.

    McClaren:

    “I know Cheicky hasn’t played for a long time, and the tireder he gets the more impetuous he gets.“Another yellow would have put us in a lot of trouble, and I didn’t want to risk that.“At 3-2 at half time, it was too big a moment to take a risk.”

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  • sparky55

    Oct 24, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #34

    Fostino

    I agree..Dummett and Mbemba would be a much better Colo is way past being finished..he must have though all his birthdays had come at once when they offer that extended deal…Especially when his bags were already packed for a deal on much less than 60 k a week.

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  • sing in the corner

    Oct 24, 2015 at 11:18 AM

    Comment #35

    People continue to talk up the Tiote of 12 to 18 months ago for a place in the side’s central midfield instead of our current unfancied pairing of Colback and Anita. I can’t understand it. It’s Football Manager / gaming talk for me. It’s not a comparison you can make surely? Has he shown he can deliver any time recently? I haven’t seen it…

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  • Tsunki

    Oct 24, 2015 at 11:20 AM

    Comment #36

    I think SM is trying to get Tiote interested. I don’t understand why he so unfit, and why he’s willing to be shoe horned into the match day team when he’s clearly nowhere near. I agree Anita is average, that’s why I said ‘ on his day’. But at worst he’s average and still distributes the ball and importantly doesn’t mess up the side or create many dangers. We need someone better there for sure, or Anita to pick up his good form consistently. But Tiote ( I didn’t even mention his pirouette tactic, which seems from not being quick enough to pick out a creative pass) at his best is a break up asset that frustrates opponents midfield possession. Other than that he is messy, not intuitive, creates dangers from set pieces, and dangerous if not subbed in a timely fashion. I’d stick with Anita until we got better.

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  • sing in the corner

    Oct 24, 2015 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #37

    Sparky

    I think the Jail / Band B theory from earlier has it nailed. He is an Ashley / Charnley man, their dressing room capo, loyal through and through and therefore a Made man til the end.

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  • sparky55

    Oct 24, 2015 at 11:22 AM

    Comment #38

    If he was lacking fitness he shouldn’t have started if he could only last 45 minutes and his booking was a 100% certainty and no surprise to anyone that it happened so why put the rest of the team and the result at risk…he should not have started the game without more games as a sub under his belt.

    In the modern game you can’t give away a free kick within 40 yards of your goal without it putting your defence under severe pressure…and with Colo as part of our defensive unit we are at a major disadvantage when any decent ball into the box is delivered.

    Tiote is a liability and is the last person you want on at the start the game with on Sunday…happy to seem him give us some fresh legs with half an hour to go but being so off the pace and so sloppy in possession we simply can’t afford to start with him tomorrow…IMO

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  • sing in the corner

    Oct 24, 2015 at 11:23 AM

    Comment #39

    Tsunki

    Spot on there. Tiote is not the antidote, but one is needed in January.Preferably one who can lead / talk.

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  • sing in the corner

    Oct 24, 2015 at 11:25 AM

    Comment #40

    Sparky

    Exactly.
    I can only assume they want to accelerate him into the frame to secure a sell-on spotlight for January?

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