McClaren Must Be Careful On Reasons For Only 6 Points


If you look at the comments after the game from Steve McClaren today, you would think everything was just fine and the only thing wrong was that the referee Robert Madley made two mistakes just before half-time – one was to award a penalty to Sunderland for a supposed foul by Coloccini on Steven Fletcher – and the other was to send Colo off with a red card.

The penalty wouldn’t have made all that much difference after Newcastle had dominated the first half – but going down to 10 men was certainly a turning point in the game.

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Steve McClaren – talking to Ayoze Perez today

But even in the second half Newcastle played quite well with the possession game, but we didn’t have  too much bite up front today and we didn’t score any goals.

This is what Steve said after the game:

“It was never a penalty. The penalty and red card was a double whammy. In the first half the team were excellent. I was totally relaxed. We were in control. I said to players that’s what we must continue.”

“If we continue doing that and get decisions right then we’ll do OK.” “Even with 10 men in the second half we still controlled it. Referee decisions are out of your control.”

Apart from last week against Norwich when we scored three in the last 25 minutes to win 6-2, Newcastle haven’t won any other league games and we have lost six of the first 10 games.

There’s always a reason why we lost – and if “something” hadn’t happened we would have been just fine in most of the games – according to McClaren.

  • Today, it was hard luck and two refereeing mistakes, but there again before the penalty decision we could and probably should have been ahead after we had missed some chances.
  • In the game at Swansea and at home to Arsenal it was because we had a man sent off before half time.
  • We didn’t beat Chelsea after being 2-0 up with 12 minutes to play because Ramirez produced a fantastic goal out of the blue in the second half as Chelsea went on to draw that game 2-2 with a  late  equaliser from a free kick after 86 minutes.
  • In our first game of the season, we were heading for a 2-1 win before the Saints equalised late in the game – and that was because our two center-backs hadn’t played much in pre-season and they tired.
  • At West Ham United, it was because we got to the ground 45 minutes late but the FA wouldn’t delay the kick-off time.
  • Against Watford we did very well to come back in the second half from 2-0 down and were unlucky not to get at least a point – that was the positive spin put on that defeat.
  • At Manchester City, we lost our concentration for about 20 minutes but in that time we conceded six goals after being 1-0 ahead.
    We suppose the follow-on from that is that if we had concentrated for those 20 minutes we would have won 1-0?

Too many times after each game there are (too many) reasons given why we didn’t win or why – like today – we have lost a game.

We understand how Steve wants to keep the morale of the Newcastle players high, but you can also overdo it.

Yes, it takes time to have the team gel, although Slaven Bilic is the new manager at West Ham and he has the Hammers in third place with 20 points from their first 10 games.

In any business, you either have the results or you have all the reasons why you don’t have the results.

We’ve had lots of reasons in the first 10 games and have only 6 points and one win to show for it.

We need to start winning games and start getting the results – like wins and all 3 points – it’s over a quarter of the season gone by.

We can start next Saturday by beating Stoke City at home.

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125 comments so far

  • John Tudor

    Oct 25, 2015 at 5:54 PM

    Comment #1

    no

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  • Lindisfarne

    Oct 25, 2015 at 5:55 PM

    Comment #2

    same old same old

    heard it all before

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  • John Tudor

    Oct 25, 2015 at 5:57 PM

    Comment #3

    skirtel just bumped a player free kick i think that was a bit harsh was the co commentators cry

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  • John Tudor

    Oct 25, 2015 at 5:58 PM

    Comment #4

    no a penalty and sending off is harsh

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  • Jib

    Oct 25, 2015 at 5:58 PM

    Comment #5

    Mane equalises for Soton !!!!!

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Oct 25, 2015 at 5:58 PM

    Comment #6

    Not the point Steve he gave the ref a decision to make, we weren’t unlucky we were undisciplined with our shape on the counter attack……..again

    Well regardless if you see it bad luck, bad referring or bad defending the result is gutting….and imo once again self inflicted

    Elliot had it covered, Colo is experienced enough to know if you make contact as the last man you give the ref a decision to make, it was a ridiculous mistake that once again cost us dearly

    Ill discipline also cost us in regards to the fact the move could of never made it the box if Tiote hadn’t picked up his standard yellow card rendering him useless in protecting the back four
    During the break he had a chance to make the tackle, he didn’t in fact he pulled out of the challenge….
    Our two most senior players once again in this fixture cost us the game and personally would be more than happy if neither pulled on the black and white stripes again

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  • Jib

    Oct 25, 2015 at 5:59 PM

    Comment #7

    How many games does Klippety Klop have ?

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  • Lindisfarne

    Oct 25, 2015 at 5:59 PM

    Comment #8

    At least we don’t have to hear that Collo is injured with a bad back and needs to fly to Argentina for recovery.

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:00 PM

    Comment #9

    As for Schteve
    It’s been ten games lad, were canny shit3 still

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  • toonking

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #10

    Why don’t you just say it once and for all “our defence is a total mess and carr, charnley and cashley were all clowns having gave colo his contract.

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  • andrew84

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #11

    Coloccini was bragging earlier in the week that there were ‘opportunities’ for him to leave but he decided to stay and sign a new deal (probably knew that no other chairman in their right mind would fork out what he’s earning here).

    Well Colo I’m flattered you’ve decided to stay but if you do change your mind I’m sure there’ll be no shortage of offers of a lift to the airport. Model pro my ar$£!

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  • John Tudor

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #12

    klopp dont give a shit

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  • Shadow_Shearer

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    Comment #13

    I can not believe ppl are sayin colo should not have challenged fletcher. If fletcher had scored u all would be sayin colo should have at least put a shoulder in. Although colo is not that good anymore, there was nothing wrong with his challenge, only thing that was wrong was the ref decision.

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  • Jib

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    Comment #14

    Sórry thát shóúld hávé béén Mané

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  • gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola)

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    Comment #15

    Slaven Bilic brill coach.

    We simply don’t have the players for what McLaren wants and if Ash is in charge we will never get them.

    H8 to say it we needed a manager like Martinez or the bloke who managers Watford. Do the best you can with little money.

    Simple…we will never attract big names, the owner will NEVER pay up for the right talent.

    The current policy will always attract flops like Thauvin and co.

    Sad really. Club has so much potential.

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  • West Lancs Geordie

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:05 PM

    Comment #16

    It’s no good looking for the managers head yet again. We’ve just got to keep 11 on the field of play. Suspensions on top of injuries is very worrying. Still within striking distance of enough teams to get out of it. But we need to replace Colo in January & get a class full back. Perez , Mitro & Gino are all putting in performances. Mackems, Villa & Bournemouth are going to lose more matches than us. The stats tell you that! Very few 10 men beat 11 in Prem. Let’s look at the positives and SMc is right there are plenty. The team played well before the pen. Only thing I thought he did wrong was pick Tiote in front of Anita.

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  • catchy in norway

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:06 PM

    Comment #17

    can someone explain to me how Cattermole stayed on the pitch.
    knees perez in the back.
    injures Colback
    handles and wraps his arm around Gini
    the guy is a thug

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  • John Tudor

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:08 PM

    Comment #18

    money talks

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  • toonking

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:08 PM

    Comment #19

    shadow

    Actually that is what are are saying, colo was stupid allowed fletcher the chance to get in front of him and then he goes and uses force to knock the guy down, what he should have done is ensured that he’ll remain infront of fletcher and do the tackle rather than get too far behind.

    he’s sh1t and a slow coach

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  • catchy in norway

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:10 PM

    Comment #20

    The current policy will always attract flops like Thauvin and co. ???

    the kid was on for 13 mins, never hid once, always showed for the ball, give him a break will ya. he has just arrived not playing regular, what did you expect him to do in 13 mins.

    shhheeesssssh man

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  • Shadow_Shearer

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:10 PM

    Comment #21

    Toonking

    Point I’m makin is ppl will say colo is wrong regardless wot happened

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  • West Lancs Geordie

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:11 PM

    Comment #22

    Agree Thauvin is weak, lightweight Frenchman who sh.. out of tackle for last goal. Sick of same old same old on this blog. Blaming Ashley is easy way out . He stumped up £50M at start of season for what. Gino,Mbemba & Mitro will prove good buys. But yes the leaking defence wasn’t strengthened & must be in Jan if not too late by then. I know Stats count for nothing but today away from home we played the Mackems off the park. How Cattermole was never booked a travesty.

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  • Jib

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:12 PM

    Comment #23

    Catchy
    There are observers at every PL game plus a couple of the assistants were quite experienced , it doesn’t help us , but I think Madley will be back on Championship duty next month.

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  • West Lancs Geordie

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:13 PM

    Comment #24

    Probably need to look at training & preparation. Far too many players out with injuries not got on match days.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:16 PM

    Comment #25

    Ancient

    Not always, sometimes you can be last man and keeper is getting the ball easily so not a clear goal scoring chance.

    Just saying that the words last man are not in the rule, sometimes defenders can cover or the player can have over ran the ball and be fouled by the last man but it’s not a clear goal scoring chance

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  • toonking

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:17 PM

    Comment #26

    shadow

    but he is the one who’s meant to be team captain getting himself a red card is stupid, against chelsea his orders around the defence during free kicks was terrible and the 2-0 was lucky not to end in a 3-2 defeat.

    mbemba himself is a player only just beginning to make himself into the team colo has been in years.

    the don’t always pick out colo, last week the one who got the most blame for those goals conceded was jam who time and time again failed to get back.

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  • West Lancs Geordie

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:19 PM

    Comment #27

    We can’t change the result & it really hurts. That Ref gave us nowt from start to finish & if Mackems can’t beat 10 men then they shouldn’t be in Premiership. They are a very poor side much worse than us. No consolation I know but we must look at the positives & there were plenty in Mitro, Mbemba, Gino, Perez & Sissoko when he didn’t try to do too much. Get everyone back after injury & suspension we’ll be OK. Lascelles didn’t do bad for his first game in an away Derby

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  • hibbitt

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:20 PM

    Comment #28

    one bright spot lascelles did ok when he came on

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  • Essex Geordie

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:21 PM

    Comment #29

    I can’t believe what I saw today. Firstly scumbag cattermole seemed untouchable fouling, hand balling kicking and protesting to the ref at every opportunity. Secondly how you can put a blind man in charge of a premier league football match which is the only way you could describe this idiot in charge of the game today. Thirdly why did our idiot of a captain give the ref the opportunity to make the decision. I hope mclaren is reprimanding him severely for that. There were a lot of positives today but we need to be careful we don’t bury our head in the sands. I think we will be ok over the season but we are not short of being a good side. Just need to get rid of colo and buy carefully in January. HWTL

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  • West Lancs Geordie

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:25 PM

    Comment #30

    Whilst our season may well be over as usual by the first week in January so long as the teams around us are playing piss poor i.e. Mackems, Villa Bournemouth & Stoke we’ll be OK. Must get more streetwise & more disciplined. Mackems tried to kick us off the park in first half hour as they could get near us without fouling. Gino should have had pen when that little s..t Cattermole put his arm right across him. Can’t change result but sending off sure ended the game as a contest

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  • toonking

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:26 PM

    Comment #31

    west

    Although we do have lots of injuries at this moent in time our starting 11 is very much the the best starting 11 available, the only one missing is the goal keeper, saylor himself would be a preferred CB ahead of colo but his injury record over the years can conclude that he’s not worth considering and whilst mbabu himself did have the great game against city it’s not really enough to ensure his of being a starter for certain tauvin had a great first game but soon revealed him general form wasn’t all that it was made out to be.

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  • Shadow_Shearer

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:26 PM

    Comment #32

    Toonking

    I’m not talkin about any other game, im talkin about today. It was never a penalty or red card. & I would have said the exact same if mitrovic or perez went to floor from the exact same challenge.

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  • toon22

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:27 PM

    Comment #33

    How many game this season have been tainted by the ref ?
    Us 5 fouls 2yellows 1red
    Them 15 fouls 0yellows 9red

    Are we to believe that we played a dirty game today,that our players were thugs?
    And the fouls they committed were just needing a warning,how many warnings did Cattermole recive?

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  • AncientC

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:30 PM

    Comment #34

    The last man is a tricky one. Generally if there is a last man with a striker coming at him, if he impedes that player, he is most likely denying a goal scoring opportunity, as there is only a finish required if a player goes past the last man.

    There is no last man rule, but the sending off rules mean that a last man is in a red card position when committing a foul.

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  • West Lancs Geordie

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:30 PM

    Comment #35

    Spot on Essex could’t agree more. Got to grasp the positives but we seem to get the same old same old from this blog. Blame the owner, blame the manager. There are a lot of real triers out there who must be gutted. That ref was hardly consistent & i don’t go for the blame culture.
    Mackems didn’t get their first corner until about 52 minute. it was so one sided till the sending off but we must learn to keep 11 on the pitch if we are to make any progress.

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  • AncientC

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:33 PM

    Comment #36

    I have no problems with McClaren today. He set the team up correctly.

    McClaren has a decision to make regarding Colo, if he brings him back and another clanger happens, then McClaren will most certainly be culpable.

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  • roblee7

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:34 PM

    Comment #37

    Hate to say this but I just looked through all remaining games and being very generous, I have us getting 36 points. Plus the 6 we have, 42 which would probably keep us up. When I say generous, thats with us winning the next 4 games in a row (unlikely) and winning most games that we should win, losing games you would expect us to lose. We’ve droppes so many points already, it seems impossible that we won’t be around the bottom all season. Anyone else done this? Scary stuff

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  • toonking

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:35 PM

    Comment #38

    shadow

    If you only referring it to this game alone then it’s not just him who’s getting the blame. This blog has had just as many posts talking about what a stupid ref we had today. over the day the blog itself has had people making a post all about what is and isn’t a shoulder barge, when he should and should not be getting sent of and the debate about why we ourselves weren’t awarded a penalty.

    most of the posts you’ll see being negative with colo are in relation to just how bad a player and leader this player has been and we should have seen him replaced.

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  • roblee7

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:39 PM

    Comment #39

    On today. We probably feel a bit like how Norwich fans must of felt last week? They dominated that second half

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  • West Lancs Geordie

    Oct 25, 2015 at 6:39 PM

    Comment #40

    I agree Toonking apart from Anita for Tiote (he is just not fit). I’ve always liked Saylor but I’m afraid his sick note record is wearing very thin. He is the longest serving player & must be the best paid if you were to work out wages per hours played. Certainly not value for money. Colo now past his sell by date regrettably so quality CB & LB must be priory January. Over the years our record of employing good CBs is abysmal.When is the Club ever going to learn – when it’s too late?

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