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McClaren Must Be Careful On Reasons For Only 6 Points

5:52 pm, Sunday, October 25th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 125 Comments

If you look at the comments after the game from Steve McClaren today, you would think everything was just fine and the only thing wrong was that the referee Robert Madley made two mistakes just before half-time – one was to award a penalty to Sunderland for a supposed foul by Coloccini on Steven Fletcher – and the other was to send Colo off with a red card.

The penalty wouldn’t have made all that much difference after Newcastle had dominated the first half – but going down to 10 men was certainly a turning point in the game.

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Steve McClaren – talking to Ayoze Perez today

But even in the second half Newcastle played quite well with the possession game, but we didn’t have  too much bite up front today and we didn’t score any goals.

This is what Steve said after the game:

“It was never a penalty. The penalty and red card was a double whammy. In the first half the team were excellent. I was totally relaxed. We were in control. I said to players that’s what we must continue.”

“If we continue doing that and get decisions right then we’ll do OK.” “Even with 10 men in the second half we still controlled it. Referee decisions are out of your control.”

Apart from last week against Norwich when we scored three in the last 25 minutes to win 6-2, Newcastle haven’t won any other league games and we have lost six of the first 10 games.

There’s always a reason why we lost – and if “something” hadn’t happened we would have been just fine in most of the games – according to McClaren.

  • Today, it was hard luck and two refereeing mistakes, but there again before the penalty decision we could and probably should have been ahead after we had missed some chances.
  • In the game at Swansea and at home to Arsenal it was because we had a man sent off before half time.
  • We didn’t beat Chelsea after being 2-0 up with 12 minutes to play because Ramirez produced a fantastic goal out of the blue in the second half as Chelsea went on to draw that game 2-2 with a  late  equaliser from a free kick after 86 minutes.
  • In our first game of the season, we were heading for a 2-1 win before the Saints equalised late in the game – and that was because our two center-backs hadn’t played much in pre-season and they tired.
  • At West Ham United, it was because we got to the ground 45 minutes late but the FA wouldn’t delay the kick-off time.
  • Against Watford we did very well to come back in the second half from 2-0 down and were unlucky not to get at least a point – that was the positive spin put on that defeat.
  • At Manchester City, we lost our concentration for about 20 minutes but in that time we conceded six goals after being 1-0 ahead.
    We suppose the follow-on from that is that if we had concentrated for those 20 minutes we would have won 1-0?

Too many times after each game there are (too many) reasons given why we didn’t win or why – like today – we have lost a game.

We understand how Steve wants to keep the morale of the Newcastle players high, but you can also overdo it.

Yes, it takes time to have the team gel, although Slaven Bilic is the new manager at West Ham and he has the Hammers in third place with 20 points from their first 10 games.

In any business, you either have the results or you have all the reasons why you don’t have the results.

We’ve had lots of reasons in the first 10 games and have only 6 points and one win to show for it.

We need to start winning games and start getting the results – like wins and all 3 points – it’s over a quarter of the season gone by.

We can start next Saturday by beating Stoke City at home.

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125 responses so far ↓

  • 1 John Tudor // Oct 25, 2015 at 5:54 PM

    no

  • 2 Lindisfarne // Oct 25, 2015 at 5:55 PM

    same old same old

    heard it all before

  • 3 John Tudor // Oct 25, 2015 at 5:57 PM

    skirtel just bumped a player free kick i think that was a bit harsh was the co commentators cry

  • 4 John Tudor // Oct 25, 2015 at 5:58 PM

    no a penalty and sending off is harsh

  • 5 Jib // Oct 25, 2015 at 5:58 PM

    Mane equalises for Soton !!!!!

  • 6 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 25, 2015 at 5:58 PM

    Not the point Steve he gave the ref a decision to make, we weren’t unlucky we were undisciplined with our shape on the counter attack……..again

    Well regardless if you see it bad luck, bad referring or bad defending the result is gutting….and imo once again self inflicted

    Elliot had it covered, Colo is experienced enough to know if you make contact as the last man you give the ref a decision to make, it was a ridiculous mistake that once again cost us dearly

    Ill discipline also cost us in regards to the fact the move could of never made it the box if Tiote hadn’t picked up his standard yellow card rendering him useless in protecting the back four
    During the break he had a chance to make the tackle, he didn’t in fact he pulled out of the challenge….
    Our two most senior players once again in this fixture cost us the game and personally would be more than happy if neither pulled on the black and white stripes again

  • 7 Jib // Oct 25, 2015 at 5:59 PM

    How many games does Klippety Klop have ?

  • 8 Lindisfarne // Oct 25, 2015 at 5:59 PM

    At least we don’t have to hear that Collo is injured with a bad back and needs to fly to Argentina for recovery.

  • 9 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:00 PM

    As for Schteve
    It’s been ten games lad, were canny shit3 still

  • 10 toonking // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    Why don’t you just say it once and for all “our defence is a total mess and carr, charnley and cashley were all clowns having gave colo his contract.

  • 11 andrew84 // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    Coloccini was bragging earlier in the week that there were ‘opportunities’ for him to leave but he decided to stay and sign a new deal (probably knew that no other chairman in their right mind would fork out what he’s earning here).

    Well Colo I’m flattered you’ve decided to stay but if you do change your mind I’m sure there’ll be no shortage of offers of a lift to the airport. Model pro my ar$£!

  • 12 John Tudor // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    klopp dont give a shit

  • 13 Shadow_Shearer // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    I can not believe ppl are sayin colo should not have challenged fletcher. If fletcher had scored u all would be sayin colo should have at least put a shoulder in. Although colo is not that good anymore, there was nothing wrong with his challenge, only thing that was wrong was the ref decision.

  • 14 Jib // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    Sórry thát shóúld hávé béén Mané

  • 15 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    Slaven Bilic brill coach.

    We simply don’t have the players for what McLaren wants and if Ash is in charge we will never get them.

    H8 to say it we needed a manager like Martinez or the bloke who managers Watford. Do the best you can with little money.

    Simple…we will never attract big names, the owner will NEVER pay up for the right talent.

    The current policy will always attract flops like Thauvin and co.

    Sad really. Club has so much potential.

  • 16 West Lancs Geordie // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:05 PM

    It’s no good looking for the managers head yet again. We’ve just got to keep 11 on the field of play. Suspensions on top of injuries is very worrying. Still within striking distance of enough teams to get out of it. But we need to replace Colo in January & get a class full back. Perez , Mitro & Gino are all putting in performances. Mackems, Villa & Bournemouth are going to lose more matches than us. The stats tell you that! Very few 10 men beat 11 in Prem. Let’s look at the positives and SMc is right there are plenty. The team played well before the pen. Only thing I thought he did wrong was pick Tiote in front of Anita.

  • 17 catchy in norway // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:06 PM

    can someone explain to me how Cattermole stayed on the pitch.
    knees perez in the back.
    injures Colback
    handles and wraps his arm around Gini
    the guy is a thug

  • 18 John Tudor // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:08 PM

    money talks

  • 19 toonking // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:08 PM

    shadow

    Actually that is what are are saying, colo was stupid allowed fletcher the chance to get in front of him and then he goes and uses force to knock the guy down, what he should have done is ensured that he’ll remain infront of fletcher and do the tackle rather than get too far behind.

    he’s sh1t and a slow coach

  • 20 catchy in norway // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:10 PM

    The current policy will always attract flops like Thauvin and co. ???

    the kid was on for 13 mins, never hid once, always showed for the ball, give him a break will ya. he has just arrived not playing regular, what did you expect him to do in 13 mins.

    shhheeesssssh man

  • 21 Shadow_Shearer // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:10 PM

    Toonking

    Point I’m makin is ppl will say colo is wrong regardless wot happened

  • 22 West Lancs Geordie // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:11 PM

    Agree Thauvin is weak, lightweight Frenchman who sh.. out of tackle for last goal. Sick of same old same old on this blog. Blaming Ashley is easy way out . He stumped up £50M at start of season for what. Gino,Mbemba & Mitro will prove good buys. But yes the leaking defence wasn’t strengthened & must be in Jan if not too late by then. I know Stats count for nothing but today away from home we played the Mackems off the park. How Cattermole was never booked a travesty.

  • 23 Jib // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:12 PM

    Catchy
    There are observers at every PL game plus a couple of the assistants were quite experienced , it doesn’t help us , but I think Madley will be back on Championship duty next month.

  • 24 West Lancs Geordie // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:13 PM

    Probably need to look at training & preparation. Far too many players out with injuries not got on match days.

  • 25 Transfer Sage // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:16 PM

    Ancient

    Not always, sometimes you can be last man and keeper is getting the ball easily so not a clear goal scoring chance.

    Just saying that the words last man are not in the rule, sometimes defenders can cover or the player can have over ran the ball and be fouled by the last man but it’s not a clear goal scoring chance

  • 26 toonking // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:17 PM

    shadow

    but he is the one who’s meant to be team captain getting himself a red card is stupid, against chelsea his orders around the defence during free kicks was terrible and the 2-0 was lucky not to end in a 3-2 defeat.

    mbemba himself is a player only just beginning to make himself into the team colo has been in years.

    the don’t always pick out colo, last week the one who got the most blame for those goals conceded was jam who time and time again failed to get back.

  • 27 West Lancs Geordie // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:19 PM

    We can’t change the result & it really hurts. That Ref gave us nowt from start to finish & if Mackems can’t beat 10 men then they shouldn’t be in Premiership. They are a very poor side much worse than us. No consolation I know but we must look at the positives & there were plenty in Mitro, Mbemba, Gino, Perez & Sissoko when he didn’t try to do too much. Get everyone back after injury & suspension we’ll be OK. Lascelles didn’t do bad for his first game in an away Derby

  • 28 hibbitt // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:20 PM

    one bright spot lascelles did ok when he came on

  • 29 Essex Geordie // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:21 PM

    I can’t believe what I saw today. Firstly scumbag cattermole seemed untouchable fouling, hand balling kicking and protesting to the ref at every opportunity. Secondly how you can put a blind man in charge of a premier league football match which is the only way you could describe this idiot in charge of the game today. Thirdly why did our idiot of a captain give the ref the opportunity to make the decision. I hope mclaren is reprimanding him severely for that. There were a lot of positives today but we need to be careful we don’t bury our head in the sands. I think we will be ok over the season but we are not short of being a good side. Just need to get rid of colo and buy carefully in January. HWTL

  • 30 West Lancs Geordie // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:25 PM

    Whilst our season may well be over as usual by the first week in January so long as the teams around us are playing piss poor i.e. Mackems, Villa Bournemouth & Stoke we’ll be OK. Must get more streetwise & more disciplined. Mackems tried to kick us off the park in first half hour as they could get near us without fouling. Gino should have had pen when that little s..t Cattermole put his arm right across him. Can’t change result but sending off sure ended the game as a contest

  • 31 toonking // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:26 PM

    west

    Although we do have lots of injuries at this moent in time our starting 11 is very much the the best starting 11 available, the only one missing is the goal keeper, saylor himself would be a preferred CB ahead of colo but his injury record over the years can conclude that he’s not worth considering and whilst mbabu himself did have the great game against city it’s not really enough to ensure his of being a starter for certain tauvin had a great first game but soon revealed him general form wasn’t all that it was made out to be.

  • 32 Shadow_Shearer // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:26 PM

    Toonking

    I’m not talkin about any other game, im talkin about today. It was never a penalty or red card. & I would have said the exact same if mitrovic or perez went to floor from the exact same challenge.

  • 33 toon22 // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:27 PM

    How many game this season have been tainted by the ref ?
    Us 5 fouls 2yellows 1red
    Them 15 fouls 0yellows 9red

    Are we to believe that we played a dirty game today,that our players were thugs?
    And the fouls they committed were just needing a warning,how many warnings did Cattermole recive?

  • 34 AncientC // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:30 PM

    The last man is a tricky one. Generally if there is a last man with a striker coming at him, if he impedes that player, he is most likely denying a goal scoring opportunity, as there is only a finish required if a player goes past the last man.

    There is no last man rule, but the sending off rules mean that a last man is in a red card position when committing a foul.

  • 35 West Lancs Geordie // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:30 PM

    Spot on Essex could’t agree more. Got to grasp the positives but we seem to get the same old same old from this blog. Blame the owner, blame the manager. There are a lot of real triers out there who must be gutted. That ref was hardly consistent & i don’t go for the blame culture.
    Mackems didn’t get their first corner until about 52 minute. it was so one sided till the sending off but we must learn to keep 11 on the pitch if we are to make any progress.

  • 36 AncientC // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:33 PM

    I have no problems with McClaren today. He set the team up correctly.

    McClaren has a decision to make regarding Colo, if he brings him back and another clanger happens, then McClaren will most certainly be culpable.

  • 37 roblee7 // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:34 PM

    Hate to say this but I just looked through all remaining games and being very generous, I have us getting 36 points. Plus the 6 we have, 42 which would probably keep us up. When I say generous, thats with us winning the next 4 games in a row (unlikely) and winning most games that we should win, losing games you would expect us to lose. We’ve droppes so many points already, it seems impossible that we won’t be around the bottom all season. Anyone else done this? Scary stuff

  • 38 toonking // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:35 PM

    shadow

    If you only referring it to this game alone then it’s not just him who’s getting the blame. This blog has had just as many posts talking about what a stupid ref we had today. over the day the blog itself has had people making a post all about what is and isn’t a shoulder barge, when he should and should not be getting sent of and the debate about why we ourselves weren’t awarded a penalty.

    most of the posts you’ll see being negative with colo are in relation to just how bad a player and leader this player has been and we should have seen him replaced.

  • 39 roblee7 // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:39 PM

    On today. We probably feel a bit like how Norwich fans must of felt last week? They dominated that second half

  • 40 West Lancs Geordie // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:39 PM

    I agree Toonking apart from Anita for Tiote (he is just not fit). I’ve always liked Saylor but I’m afraid his sick note record is wearing very thin. He is the longest serving player & must be the best paid if you were to work out wages per hours played. Certainly not value for money. Colo now past his sell by date regrettably so quality CB & LB must be priory January. Over the years our record of employing good CBs is abysmal.When is the Club ever going to learn – when it’s too late?

  • 41 roblee7 // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:40 PM

    Goes to show, more than ever, that possession means nout if yer dont do anything with it

  • 42 West Lancs Geordie // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:42 PM

    Agree Ancient but he created a problem when he renewed his captaincy at start of season. I too can’t fault McLaren the set up was spot on today apart from Tiote & perhaps it’s time now to see if the lad Lascelles can step up to the plate at CB

  • 43 toonking // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:43 PM

    rob

    i’ve not done it myself but after todays result I did taske a look at all the fiixtures between now and January and from what I saw it looks as though we’ll be going down now.

    Stoke i see as a win
    bournmoth might be a win but being away i’ve got my worry
    leister i’d normal go for a win any day but the way they are playing at the minute i’m thinking we’ll be lucky to get a draw
    palace itself draw loss or win who knows, might have that derby like manner in it.

  • 44 West Lancs Geordie // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:45 PM

    No Roblee 7 you are right but Cattermole & co were employing “spoiling”tactics by trying to kick us off the park & were never punished.

  • 45 thepict // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM

    185 votes for colocinni. You must be taking the pi@@@

  • 46 roblee7 // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:48 PM

    Toonking…agreed. problem we have is alot of teams that you’d expect to be bottom half at the least or way over performing so as it stands, look nothing like relegation material. I mean Leicester, Palace, West Ham, Watford even doing better than I’d thought. Only Villa and the mackems teams really you’d expect down there. Personally, I’m praying its the mackems, Villa n Chelsea (haha) who go down. That would make me as happy as if we won a trophy I think!!

  • 47 West Lancs Geordie // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:48 PM

    No good surmising about results as you often get points in the least unexpected games. A third of our points so far have been pick up at Man U and home to Chelsea. Just start getting behind those who are trying the best for this club and there are quite a few

  • 48 the broons // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:49 PM

    Don’t care if its the messiah shearer saying it aswell. To say that it is a penalty but not a red card is totally flawed logic.

    And people who disagree with me please back up with a direct reference from the FA rules and regulations.

  • 49 West Lancs Geordie // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:50 PM

    Going for my Sunday Roast now – Don’t get too despondent ! 28 games left!

  • 50 toonluvva // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:51 PM

    Hopefully Mr Ashley & Mr Charnley will have learnt that a team that regularly starts Tiote & Colo are likely to get relegated.

    Imagine that Mr Ashley! No big TV money washing into the coffers. No big audiences being bombarded with adverts for SD products.

    There will be a hell of a lot of criticism of your appointments though, Kinnear, LLambias, Charnley etc.

    We need 2 decent CB’s and another striker at least in the January window. If not, well, it will be a looong second half of the season.

  • 51 roblee7 // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:51 PM

    West Lancs…yep, how Cattermole didn’t get booked…horrible footballer and extremely lucky today. Taking the score out of the equation, we are far superior to them in every department. Sending off spoilt it big time

  • 52 angelswithdirtyfaces // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:51 PM

    Judge me after ten games Pt 2

    Played 10 won 1 drawn 3 lost 6 pts 6

    Games played with 10 men 3

    So we need at least 34 pts from 28 games average 1.22 pts per game

    That requires consistent form for a 46 pts+ season. (46.36 to be axact))
    Last five seasons 46 pts = once; 46 pts twice.
    So on average form over a whole season its 40/60 that we don’t go down – less than 50/50 that we’ll stay up.

    I’m glad I’m not a betting man.

  • 53 lesh // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:52 PM

    Yes, Mr Charnley’s decisions on spending the £50m or so available are coming home to roost.

    We were and are crying out for a second CB and a LB but for some reason (payroll control I’d guess), we didn’t strengthen where it was needed but chose to move Cabella out in part ex for Thauvin.

    Between Charnley and Ashley (nowt to do with him he’ll say), the Club’s in deep deep doo-doo and in danger of being well adrift of safety by Christmas.

    Another fine mess and maybe they’re thinking about bringing Carver back to save us – like what he says he did last season

    So much hope, in vain it seems.

  • 54 toonking // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:53 PM

    west

    i’d add a RB in there as well myself, jam is a player who performs well but he seems to be allowing the opposion width far too many chances, he doesn’t get back often enough. jam himself could still play in the starting 11 only i’d put him as a wide midfielder, push sissoko along side colback and get a RB who’ll manage to keep on track with his main role stopping the opposition having too much time to cross.

  • 55 angelswithdirtyfaces // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:53 PM

    Doesn’t seem to like math symbols
    Should have read : less than 46pts twice, more than 46 pts twice

  • 56 Munster Mag // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    Catchy, you are wrong on Thauvin I’m afraid. I dont care that it was 13 mins. He wont be getting 13m more mins of he pulls out of challenges like he did. Also his straight line pace is very worrying. Useless acquisition by Old Man Carr , in addition to Marv, Amalfitano, The other french winger ( now at Marseilles, sorry cant remember his name ) , Santon ( weak defender ) , Mbiwa ( see Santon ) . At least Carr did well in the summer, if we leave out Thauvin. Re the game, I am optimistic for the future but worried re injuries and how much we ask of out best players. But 3 players worth 10-15 mill each could make us a very very tidy team.

  • 57 roblee7 // Oct 25, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    Broons…i don’t think it was red as Elliott looked to be getting to it so it wasn’t a goalscoring opportunity. Or is it last man, automatic red regardless of situation???

  • 58 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:01 PM

    McLaren clearly isn’t the answer. I would go after Brendan Rodgers immediately. The sending off was ridiculous. We dominated the first half with possession but a lot of it was just knocking it around the back four and back and forward between the midfielders. Sunderland are an extremely poor side yet we lost 3-0 to them under McLaren. Time for him to go or down we go.

  • 59 roblee7 // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:01 PM

    Angels…those reds cost us massively, Janmaats angered me the most mind, even more than colo today as it was so rash. Colo was just too heavy with what looked to me like a shoulder barge

  • 60 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:02 PM

    Dummett is a poor LB as well. We need a LB, CB, and experienced striker straight away in January.

  • 61 BandB // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:02 PM

    I may be getting a bit long in the tooth to understand these things, but I recall a time when being beaten 3-0 by the bottom club, (which hasn’t looked like winning a game so far this season) was regarded as really not very good.
    It’s now nearly three months since people were seeing signs that we’d be soon alright as we were being brushed aside by minnows in pre-season.
    We did well last week against a team which really went for it, but defended as badly as us.
    Today we played them off he park for 45 minutes, not 90, and while the ref may have altered the game, he didn’t score three goals.
    Ed is right. We’ll get no points at the end of the season for the best catalogue of straw-clutching excuses.

  • 62 roblee7 // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:03 PM

    And what angers me more than anything is us giving Colo a contract extension…mental. he’s class on his day, but thats about twice a season. Crap the rest of the time. Feel sorry for Mbemba

  • 63 welshgeordie9 // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:04 PM

    I’m not a mcclaren fan, more of a Mercedes fan.

    Ha ha ha

  • 64 welshgeordie9 // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:05 PM

    Come on Hamilton win tonight.

  • 65 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:07 PM

    Spot on BandB @61. Well said. We need to beat either Stoke or Bournemouth in the next 2 matches (or preferably both) or McLaren should be sacked. Personally I would sack him now and go for Rodgers.

  • 66 toonking // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:09 PM

    rob
    This season is a season where only 5 teams seem to be part of that relegation battle, us scums, villa, norwich and bournmoth. chelsea and stoke are the next two in line both of whom usually considered not a relegation team.

    The next best hope is watford who are 2W+1D above 17th and after that it’s westbrom 2W+2D Palace 3W and the mighty leister 4W+1D.

    Either result are an even greater importance or lets hope chelsea continue

    When you’ve got chelsea then stoke sitting down amoungst us it can make those relegation battle feel more worried when a loss occurs. Usually we’ll have 6-8 teams all battling around in the bottom half of the table trying to avoid relegation but chelsea and stoke wouldn’t be amoungst that group,
    usually their is 6-8 teams in amou

  • 67 bladeuser // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:10 PM

    Get real people cattermole stayed on the pitch because he did not make any shocking challenges yes maybe he should have had a yellow but that’s it put this into perspective scum had not won a game it is irrelevant that we played them off the park We lost
    AGAIN only nufc give teams three points whenever they need them and smirking SMAC blaming the ref is Bolton
    It was a pen but maybe not a ref card
    One win and that could have been six six
    We r I’m deep shit with this clown
    ASH OUT
    MAC OUT
    COLO OUT

  • 68 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:11 PM

    If we stick with McLaren and don’t make some big signings in January we would have to be one of the favourites to go down.

  • 69 Jib // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:11 PM

    B and B
    You are right
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    You are a bit long in the tooth
    btw
    does B and B stand for – bingo and booze ?

  • 70 roblee7 // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:12 PM

    I’d love us to get Rodgers or Moyes. Would prefer Moyes. Both of the Dalglish personality though which would be painful, but at least they’d likely get better results. Villa apparently after Remy Garde, he’d be too risky. Thing is, unless its just me, I enjoy alot of the things we’re doing under Mclaren. Some great passing, movement but little end product. I genuinely think if we hadn’t picked up the reds, we’b in a much happier place in the league, and the reds aren’t really down to McLaren?

  • 71 angelswithdirtyfaces // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:14 PM

    roblee

    Aye, true enough, but we don’t need to get beat with ten men. We could have had a draw today if our attack had shown any bite.

    On average form over the last 5 years its 60/40 we’ll go down.

    I really don’t think any other manager would be allowed ten games into a season to show one win and three draws as a reason why he should keep his job. We are just not playing well enough to get enough points to stay up. Simples.

  • 72 catchy in norway // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:15 PM

    BandB

    sorry but the ref missed a blatant pen for us only seconds before there pen, if it goes the way it should have and we scored the pen, there was no way on this planet they are getting back into the game, they had no ideas on how to get out there own half let alone to our goal.

    it was only 3-0 because the ref got things wrong, if this game had of finished 3 -0 to us, not one person could complain, we were that dominant,

    just been to the shop and listened to talk sport, 2 out of 3 hosts said no pen 1 said he could see why he gave the pen but it was not a red card.

    also Cattermole all he did was kick players or slap them, not one yellow, hand ball and arm around gini,1 yellow and a pen, knee in the back of perez, should have been yellow, was not any where near the ball, then the follow though on colback ++ lots of niggly little things.. for me he was luck to stay on the pitch

  • 73 roblee7 // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:16 PM

    Toonking spot on. I can actually see Palace sliding down, and yeah, Watford, but i’ve been well impressed with them. Hmmm, its going to be a long season I suspect!

  • 74 angelswithdirtyfaces // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:17 PM

    Jib // Oct 25, 2015 at 8:56 AM
    “I know who I woudn’t want on my side when the chips are down – and it isn’t Fabricio Coloccini !”

    Brilliant prediction with a double negative !!

  • 75 BandB // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:17 PM

    catchy

    Good teams play badly and win.
    They don’t get beat 3-0 playing, by common assent it seems, somewhere near their best.

  • 76 catchy in norway // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:17 PM

    GeordieTwo

    how would getting Rodgers in help us, we dont have Suarez in our team, he is not a good coach,

  • 77 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:18 PM

    I said I thought the 4 matches including Norwich, Sunderland, Stoke, and Bournemouth would decide it for McLaren and I’m sticking to that. Anything less than 6 points in those 4 games and he’s gone. So he has to win one of the next two. It’s as simple as that. After that it’s Leicester, Palace, Liverpool and Spurs and we may be done by then. As in relegated before the halfway mark of the season.

  • 78 roblee7 // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:18 PM

    Angels…unless things improve quickly, it will be like Carver / Pardew all over again. The fat controller doesn’t seem to like sacking…probably for money reasons

  • 79 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:21 PM

    If you say so catchy mate but others see it differently. Rodgers lost his way in Liverpool after they sold Suarez and Sturridge was a permanent sick note. That was out of his control. He works well with youngsters and he has a decent sense of tactics. We need more from the owner as well of course. If we do nothing in January we are done no matter who the manager is (and we may already be done unless we start beating teams around us in the standings).

  • 80 toonking // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:21 PM

    BandB

    spot on.

    entertaining football is only good to the netrual when they are not getting us the results we required.

    I’d rather have four games that finish 2-1 1-1, 2-0 and 1-0 than a 2-1 V waford 2-0 going 2-2 V chelsea and 3-0 loss with attacking football vs sunderland whilst only that 1 game where we win

  • 81 jimiley // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:22 PM

    Schteve is a trop coach and will prove his value to the Toon over the coming years. Big Mike pulled off a masterstroke getting Mc. Judge him at the end of the season when we will be in the top 8.

  • 82 catchy in norway // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:23 PM

    BandB

    very true,,

    but it shouldnt take help from the ref,

    im more than sure we would have went on to win by 2 or 3 goals over 90 mins with 11 men on the pitch..

    and thats the difference.

  • 83 jimiley // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:23 PM

    Mackems were so lucky to get their first win of the season and keep their first clean sheet.

  • 84 Bambams // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:24 PM

    We don’t have enough leaders and leaders are generally your better players….speaks volumes.
    We have a huge cloud over us and it’s taking some ridding. I have never rated Elliott and I am not blaming him. Our problems will always be our back up players are never Premier league standard.
    We have been lucky with Perez and possibly mbemba. ….but that’s it.
    We have players who hide when chips are down, play it back, play it to defenders, back to keeper..whack up front where we have one player waiting !
    I don’t know what is going to happen, yes luck is against us. I even considered ‘Are the F.A against us’ because of Wonga or SD zero hours – let’s give them nowt and eventually relegation will come. When was our last penalty ???
    Haven’t seen the game but don’t want to now. If we don’t change the whole defence we are down. Even Janmaat is not up to scratch.
    Mackems are a lucky bunch

  • 85 BandB // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:25 PM

    catchy,

    yes,
    And when every other team in the division hasn’t got that excuse to make, then it will be an excuse.

  • 86 Jail for Ashley // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:25 PM

    Well I said if we beat Norwich and get some kind of result at the SoS it’d be a long season but we’d be ok, we didn’t do that and now I’m not sure, Blackpool a few seasons ago played ok but got relegated, we are in the bottom three with the joint worse GD ?

  • 87 roblee7 // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:26 PM

    Catchy. I agree, we were absolutely cruising with 11 men and if we go down to 10 men, based on the other games this season, we will lose. 11 men, we are in it. 11 men today, 3 points no doubt!

  • 88 Jail for Ashley // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:26 PM

    With a quarter of the season gone

  • 89 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:27 PM

    Very sarcastic jimiley mate. We are a disaster as usual under Ashley and his flunkeys. Six points from 10 games! 😆 😆 You couldn’t make it up. Absolute rubbish. The Colo sending off was a poor decision but our team fell apart under pressure again.

  • 90 Lindisfarne // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:30 PM

    AC @34

    Very well said. “”There is no last man rule, but the sending off rules mean that a last man is in a red card position when committing a foul.””

    I was personally surprised Dummett was not moved across and Haidara brought on at LB. I have been saying that if we are going to continue losing then nothing is lost in playing Laschelle but he was unfortunate to be thrown in here.

  • 91 catchy in norway // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:35 PM

    band b

    not an excuse

    even sham admits his team got a help from the ref, so for me im 100% happy with how we played , huge improvements over the previous managers

  • 92 Blackley and Brownlie // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:41 PM

    Good article. Well said, Ed.

  • 93 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:41 PM

    It should be fun to watch the drivel pour out of Charnley’s mouth. Something like:
    “We acknowledge mistakes have been made. But with Steve McLaren and his coaches we know we have a strong base to build on…..Blah, blah, blah…..”

  • 94 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:42 PM

    As it stands now we look like a team that could finish the season with less than 30 points. How do we avoid relegation with that?

  • 95 toonking // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:45 PM

    JFA

    usually we only start showing the predictions of ourselves and relegation opposition’s remain fixtures come final month or two of season but looking at things, we’ll be doing it come december.

  • 96 Graeme // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:45 PM

    An excellent article and well worth the read!!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11953443/Sunderland-vs-Newcastle-Tracing-the-torment-of-the-North-East-powerhouses.html

  • 97 toonking // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:49 PM

    rob

    you said earlier that you hope chelsea go down and i’ve got to admit i’m going to put a bet on that myself because the odds of them being relegated currently stands at 500-1, you’ve got odd of 40-1 for palace and leister whilst west ham are at odd of 66-1 yet chelsea are still 500-1 !

  • 98 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:50 PM

    The lack of at least a yellow card for Catermole was shocking as well. That ref should never have been chosen for a crucial derby.

  • 99 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:53 PM

    Here we are arguing the merits of a match between what was a 19th and 20th place team. Absolute drivel. And Ashley bears the blame entirely.

  • 100 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:54 PM

    Don’t get it –
    Don’t get it people wanting McClaren sacked – right – not getting the results but we are playing better football now than we have done in the past 5 years.
    As for Rogers or Moyes – waste of space – Rogers spent millions at the bin dippers – defended worse than us with better players
    Moyes – struggling in Spain – Everton fans couldn’t wait to get rid of him played boring football

  • 101 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:54 PM

    Fonging is far too good for Ashley. Get the tar and feathers oot.

  • 102 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:55 PM

    Sadly I really don’t think it matters Charlie mate @100. Ashley is a coward and a football fool. We’re going down this time.

  • 103 roblee7 // Oct 25, 2015 at 7:57 PM

    Toonking

    Haha, it aint guna happen but worth sticking a quid or so on surely 😀 it wud b the most shocking PL event of all time if they went down. Imagine, with players like Hazard, Costa, Oscar, Cahill, etc. As long as we don’t go down too coz they’d be right back up

  • 104 JamesToon // Oct 25, 2015 at 8:00 PM

    charlie 100

    totally agree with that. Even if we did sack mcclaren, i don’t think theres many that could do much better.

    We played some mouthwatering football today and if we had a bit of luck and the referee wasn’t so bias towards sunderland then we could have run away with the derby with a cricket score.

    I’m looking forward to seeing how Lascelles does, hope he can do a john stones and develop quickly and make a good partner with mbemba. He’s tall, strong good with his feet and fairly mobile for his height, i think him and mbemba will make a good partnership.

  • 105 Tsunki // Oct 25, 2015 at 8:05 PM

    Let’s not get carried away, previous relegation bound teams have been a lot less promising than this one. I’ve said it before, Pardew was given all the rope he needed, McLaren can’t be cut loose without getting some serious backing in January. it’s the mackem luck wave they’re riding but eventually that will come crashing down. I think with a couple of players in defence, which I believe Steve came in too late to demand as previous deals had already been committed to, we will stop leaking goals and our forward play will be released of the shackles of nannying the midfield.

  • 106 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 8:07 PM

    We’ll know how dismal things are if Sunderland and Villa finish above us in the standings. And what about Bournemouth? They are extremely poor as well. If we can’t finish above those 3 we deserve to go down.

  • 107 Toonfan8 // Oct 25, 2015 at 8:08 PM

    I am happy with performance today, we played some very good football. Yes, result today is horrible, but I see we are moving forward, I am not concerned we will struggle with relegation. We have very good team and we need two defenders and one CM in january, Wijnaldum, Mbemba and Mitrovic quality like. Then I am looking forward for next season, but we have to build on this team and dont sell its best players, Sissoko,Wijnaldum,Perez,Mitrovic,Mbemba — these plus 3-5 others which will be brought has to be the core of this team next year, and I think this team with 3-5 recruitments of that calibre has the quality to be top six and they are all young players who can only be better…I am happy with S. McClaren, he is doing good job, this team is starting to play good…Strange comment after that result I know, but results sometimes arent everything and I can say, that if today I was Sunderland fan I would be happy with result today, but I would be very worry of relegation, because they simply dont have quality that EPL requires…

  • 108 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 8:09 PM

    Hope you’re right Great Tsukini mate. Does your crystal ball have a finishing position for us?

  • 109 toonking // Oct 25, 2015 at 8:11 PM

    graeme

    that artical was well worth the read.

    Reading it tells all just how close a spirit the north east has with it’s football clubs, it shows really why this blog now has so many arguements which might start to add bad laungage.

    Our clubs are just not the same without a group of player who play for the shirt, those such as shola might be crap on the pitch but they always made up for it through the leadership and spirit provided in the dressing room.

  • 110 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 8:13 PM

    At the current levels of performance I see us finishing a very cadgey 18th.

  • 111 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 8:17 PM

    I mean the amount of smegma that was collecting on the pitch today was horrific. Get rid of Dummett, Colo, Obertan, Willo, and Saylor. Bring in 2 decent CB’s a LB, a striker, a decent holding midfielder and start over again Ashley.

  • 112 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Oct 25, 2015 at 8:22 PM

    JamesToon
    Cheers
    Toonfan8
    Agree playing good football started to pass and move run for each other.
    If we can hang in the bottom 6 or 7 same no points as the rest then I think the cash will be spent –
    My biggest signing would be a creative midfield player – someone who can take/whip in a free kick
    and hopefully on a couple of defenders and a goalkeeper.
    Not asking for much – but would be one hell of a squad

  • 113 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 8:27 PM

    Oh and clean the smegma out from between your ears as well Ashley. You’re a pathetic man who thinks Wonga is a decent business partner for the club. Hopefully you eventually slip and fall into a pool of your own sh*te Mike.

  • 114 angelswithdirtyfaces // Oct 25, 2015 at 8:30 PM

    graeme

    Spot on article in the Toon PR departent’s favourite newspaper 🙂

  • 115 GeordieTwo // Oct 25, 2015 at 8:49 PM

    Well that’s about it for me today. I was disturbed by the poor refereeing as much as anybody but we lost today and saying we played well defies logic. We had the majority of the possession in the first half. That’s all. We didn’t use it to take the lead and when the ref lost his mind we buckled under the pressure and lost by 3. That ain’t no silk purse mates, it’s a sow’s ear.

  • 116 jimmysmith // Oct 25, 2015 at 8:57 PM

    All true comrade Geordie Two, apart from the fact we plated well in possession and created many chances. We are in trouble, undeniably, but we are far far from down and out.

  • 117 jimmysmith // Oct 25, 2015 at 9:03 PM

    Tiote played better, again. He’s an important player for us, at least for the remainder of this season.

  • 118 lochinvar // Oct 25, 2015 at 9:11 PM

    Lewis Hamilton 1-0 Two Germans

    At least someone knows how to win – and Rosberg has a face like a pan of tripe

  • 119 Toonfan8 // Oct 25, 2015 at 9:12 PM

    Jimmysmith
    I agree, Tiote is slowly getting up to the speed. It will be important to beat Stoke at home and I think, with this performance, we will beat them…We maybee dont realise now what a personality and a player Gini Wijnaldum is, he should be next captain…We need new CB,LB and CM…

  • 120 Toonfan8 // Oct 25, 2015 at 9:14 PM

    Xhaka, Willems and one strong CB and we are done for this year…and next season we will attack top 6 for sure

  • 121 Bobbybee // Oct 25, 2015 at 9:21 PM

    Ten men generally lose against eleven. Not always, but more often than not. We can argue the toss all we wish about the penalty and red card – imo neither were valid – but they stand, like it or not. Despite the score, I was impressed and proud of the effort put in overall. The first half football was a treat to be fair, as we played them completely off the park with pass and move they couldn’t live with. That one point changed the outcome of the game whether we like it or not. I didn’t see a team that folded under pressure, but one that fought for every ball. That alone was a huge change from the last few seasons. Yes, it hurts deeply to lose to them for six games running, of course it does, but today I saw a team that gives a toss about its fans and gave everything for the entire game, despite the outcome having already been decided by the ref or Collo – depending on your outlook. Ten men gave it everything today and because of that they get my backing, not my disdain. I’ll stick with the lads and Macca because out of the gloom, I see genuine light. Can’t see Ashley making sweeping changes anyway, so wtf? We’ll get out of this, of that I’m confident. After that performance, I doubt the mackems can feel the same.

  • 122 jimmysmith // Oct 25, 2015 at 9:22 PM

    It was a pen, and by the letter of the law, a sending off. And without a fit Taylor we will likely miss Collocini, despite what his many detractors might argue. He until then had played well. That rather poor piece of judgement, admittedly not his first, particularly in more recent seasons, might prove more costly than first imagined. He’s our skipper and most seasoned and accomplished player..

  • 123 jimiley // Oct 25, 2015 at 9:24 PM

    It is fantastic to see an owner having faith in his manager. Whilst other clubs who are struggling in the Premiership have seen their managers depart (Sunderland and Villa), there is no hint from the club that we will discard Schteve. Great news. We should get behind the owner and the manager through thick and thin and cheer the lads up the league.

  • 124 Moonraker15 // Oct 25, 2015 at 9:46 PM

    We’re now playing good football but unfortunately there are such weaknesses in the squad in defensive midfield and centre back that I fear we are gonna get more hidings than wins until we can strengthen in January. It’s shocking that they saw the need for a winger rather than a dm; I’d love to know who actually thought this squad was strong enough for top 8 ! More frustrating cos we’ve got 3 very good signings in Gini, Mbemba and Mitro!

  • 125 usmagpie // Oct 25, 2015 at 10:11 PM

    Ok lets be honest here, penalty yes but sending off a little harsh. Here’s the thing though, Colo just isn’t fast enough, how do you let Fletcher. yes Fletcher beat you in a race. Fletcher has never really been known for his quick feet now has he. Would the game have been different if Colo stayed on? Yes of course it would have but he just isn’t quick enough anymore, if you cannot beat Fletcher then there’s your answer. How can we in the first half have a 70% – 30% possession and not score?
    I’m only happy that my kid has a sleep over last night because the air was, well let me say it wasn’t me sitting in a church type language. It feels like just to many years now that we have never really fixed the back four, yes we signed Mbemba and he looks awesome but we need another one like him playing central and we could be ok. Sorry Colo but I think father time may have caught up to you finally.




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