When Will Newcastle Start Doing This?

Yes, there were extenuating circumstances on Sunday at Sunderland and Coloccini was sent off just before half-time when we gave away the penalty and that turned the game – so we were beaten 3-0 even though Steve McClaren claimed we controlled the game in both halves.

What would the score have been if we hadn´t controlled the game in both halves?

But how often this season have Newcastle actually delivered on their promise during a game – not many times.

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Steve McClaren gives instructions to Perez on Sunday

It seems the conventional wisdom on Newcastle right now is that we have good players, we are playing some good football and we have a good team – we just need to gel and then the results (wins) will come – no problem.

Here´s a contrarian view to that.

We had  a great victory at home to Norwich when we won 6-2 – but that was touch and go until the last 30 minutes after it was 3-2 and Norwich had been pressing for the equalizer in the seocnd half.

So we keep hearing that Newcastle are getting better and we will be OK in the league – but there are too many times when we fall short in a game and get nothing out it.

The three red cards in the first half against Swansea, Arsenal and Sunderland meant we were beaten in all three games and didn´t manage to score a goal.

The Sunderland game – we were the better side – but still managed to lose it 3-0.

We have put in some good performances this season at home to the Saints, Arsenal and Chelsea and we got just 2 points from those games.

We allowed late equalizing goals against Southampton and Chelsea and that cost us 4 points and we played well against Arsenal to lose only 1-0, but we had Mitrovic sent off after 16 minutes.

Who beats Arsenal with 10 men?

At some point this season we have to start winning some games on a regular basis.

Results then become more important than the performances.

Steve McClaren has concentrated on the performances  so far and he says the performances will produce the results and that he doesn´t want to look at the league table.

Would he have wanted to look at the league table if we were in the top four at the moment?

We have 6 points from 10 games which is our second worst start to a season ever – and we have to go back to 1898 to find the only worse start than that to a season.

That´s when we had four draws from the first 10 games,  but then we won the 11th game when we hammered Liverpool at home 3-0 – so 7 points from the first 11 games.

The game at home to Stoke City on Saturday is crucial and we wonder what will crop up in that game that could prevent  us from winning it?

Newcastle need wins and the results have to start taking precedence soon.

We will be a lot happier when we can get some of those Ws on the board – hopefully in the next few games.

Until then playing well and losing for whatever reason gets a little bit boring – and frustrating too.

Comments welcome.

32 comments so far

  • cyprus

    Oct 27, 2015 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #1

    Ok, last comment on derby, we must look forward. After the goal, of course, I went away from the TV (so I wouldn’t break it). So, I heard Bellamy and someone else say, no penalty, the other wxxxxr said yes pen.

    Bravo Bellamy, you were excellent for this team, man. You should’ve smacked that Sounness character, who led us to the current abyss, from CL material. Respect.

    On this: I don’t know, I give up, when?

  • catchy in norway

    Oct 27, 2015 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #2


    you prove once again you know very little

  • mag_1892

    Oct 27, 2015 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #3

    we should of been ahead before the sending off so can’t complain too much even though I think it was a wrong decision. We could have 80% possession and 20 shots every week but if you don’t make them count your in danger of getting beat. Especially with a defence like ours.

  • davetoon

    Oct 27, 2015 at 11:32 AM

    Comment #4

    We’re just making our own luck

  • Jib

    Oct 27, 2015 at 11:33 AM

    Comment #5
  • lesh

    Oct 27, 2015 at 11:47 AM

    Comment #6

    Wouldn’t it have been six points from 11 in 1898?

  • lesh

    Oct 27, 2015 at 11:50 AM

    Comment #7


    How’d you work out that Ed knows nowt?

  • Jib

    Oct 27, 2015 at 11:55 AM

    Comment #8

    1981 – Year of adoption of 3 points for a win.
    Before that 2 points , you know , when Ed used to play 🙂

  • Ibizatoon

    Oct 27, 2015 at 12:01 PM

    Comment #9

    Lesh…4 draws (4 pts) and a win (3pts) is 7.

    Unless Ed has cleared up a typo since you posted.

    Catchy…I too wouldn’t mind seeing you expand on that comment to Ed. Is the bit that proves it where he says “At some point this season we have to start winning some games on a regular basis.”?

    Ed…No biggy, but it caught my eye and I’m not curious. How come the URL title for this article is “when-will-newcastle-stop-doing-this”, but the article header is “When will Newcastle start doing this”? Did you have a change of heart?

  • Ibizatoon

    Oct 27, 2015 at 12:02 PM

    Comment #10

    now* curious.

    Would be a bit silly to ask if I was not curious.

  • Bobbybee

    Oct 27, 2015 at 12:20 PM

    Comment #11

    Ibiza, lesh is right. 4 draws = 4 points. One win was 2 points back then, not three. So one win plus 4 drws = 6 points.

  • Ibizatoon

    Oct 27, 2015 at 12:25 PM

    Comment #12

    Bobby…It would probably pay for me to read more of the comments on this occasion.

    I’ve read you’ve not been doing too well lately, sorry to hear it. Any news on the results?

  • martoon

    Oct 27, 2015 at 12:38 PM

    Comment #13

    I agree with all the comments about how well we played but thinking about it the second goal was a very poor one to give away. It was a set piece so we weren’t stretched and Colo wasn’t even there to blame!

  • Tsunki

    Oct 27, 2015 at 12:47 PM

    Comment #14

    I dont get it catchy.

    Eds right, soon we can forget about all the nice footy and start grinding out results with defensive displays. Otherwise we will be the prettiest relegated team.

  • pawl250

    Oct 27, 2015 at 1:13 PM

    Comment #16

    I think some of our fans are idiotic like and the majority of Sunderland fans even more so.

    They and some of our fans believe the fact we conceded 3-0 means that we would have lost with 11 men on the pitch, as though its unacceptable to concede goals when you have 10 men for a full half of football, remembering 1 of those goals was a penalty.

    I mean FFS. Brainless or what!

    The game would have been a total different game if Colo stayed on the pitch, regardless of what these people think.

    Sunderland only “dominated” the second half because we had less players, even then “dominated” is not even how the game played out when we had less players.

    I mean yes they scored 3 goals, but seriously, it is impossible to say they would have scored 3 goals if it had been 11 v 11. They may have even scored more, but it never looked it based on the first half.

    They were awful, and we looked dominant. Yes we did not score but it felt like the goal was coming.

    Any realistic fan knows we have had a tough start and should wait a little longer before judging.

    Personally I feel we are improving all the time, and on the pitch its lightyears ahead of what it was under Pardew, and I think coming up to Christmas it will only get better.

    We will start crawling up the league now, wait and see!

  • Ibizatoon

    Oct 27, 2015 at 1:28 PM

    Comment #17

    pawl…I can’t say I’ve read too much from Newcastle fans criticising our general performance from the Sunderland game. I think most fans saw the difference was the red card.

    I think most fans have also seen an attempt at improvement of style, so there is reason for optimism there too.

    However, what I think people are discussing is how much time we have to get things right and actually start getting the results. Some excuses are of course valid, like we were playing with 10 men for half the game. At what stage though is there no longer room for excuses, whether they’re legitamate or not?

    25% of the season is already over. It’s a concern.

    I don’t think Sunderland playing better than us has really even been discussed, so don’t understand your post.

  • Munster Mag

    Oct 27, 2015 at 1:31 PM

    Comment #18

    Catchy, you seem to be an all or nothing bloke. ie Pardew was all wrong all of the time , and SMC is all right all of the time. No middle ground. I am with SMC as he is progressing, but Ed makes fair points. Until I saw the Norwich game ( a bit lucky, that could have been 5-5 etc ) and the Makems ( useless ) I was getting v v worried about all this crappy possession football and little to show for it. Also, re the Arsenal game, i know we had 10 men, but a lot of clubs would have fashioned a chance or tw0. Put i this way, if Leicester were in the same boat, do u think they wud have had zero efforts on target ? Where I do agree with SMC, is that if we get the performances right, the results will happen. We ( and he ) just need something soon. A defeat to Stoke could make his position quite questionable.

  • Mag52

    Oct 27, 2015 at 1:31 PM

    Comment #19


    You’re the one my friend who proves time and again that you have no idea what you are talking about.
    One of the latest examples of this was in a recent post when you said words to the effect that the losing mentality in our team started under our previous manager Pardew. Rubbish.
    When AP left the club we were in 9th.position, and the losing mentality, if indeed we have a losing mentality, started with the disasterous Carver management which was a result away from getting us relegated.

    On a different subject, there’s been some interesting views recently on whether or not Colo’s challenge deserved a red card.
    I think it’s high time that any red card decision should be verified by a fourth official after reviewing the video evidence of the incident.
    9 times out of 10 I’m sure the ref. will have got it right, but if he gets it wrong, then the match ends up overwhelmingly biased in favour of the side with 11 players on the pitch, as we all saw last weekend.
    Fans pay good money to see a game between two evenly numbered teams. I would have the same opinion if Scumderland had lost a player to a similar bad decision.
    We have the technology, ffs let’s make use of it.

  • Mag52

    Oct 27, 2015 at 1:38 PM

    Comment #20


    Spot on. It’s starting to get to the point when we need to concentrate as a team on putting three points on the board, scrappy, ugly, lucky, whatever, rather than attempting to put on an Arsenal style display when we’re light years away from having the players that Arsenal have.

  • Tsunki

    Oct 27, 2015 at 1:48 PM

    Comment #21

    Mag52 ,- we need less pretty triangles and more dig in and win by one on the break atm. We can talk about the nice stuff later when we are out of the swirling pit. This is not a new problem though, defence has been our achilles for a depressingly long time.

  • Roosta

    Oct 27, 2015 at 1:57 PM

    Comment #22

    By that Mclaren dosnt like to take the blame for owt does he, hes the type who would say if we got beat 3-0 and had a barnstorming last ten mins, we just need to keep reproducing those ten mins and we will be back on track, I am pretty fed up with his patter,always something else to blame for our defeats. in that way his ego like that of Pardew is mega irritating.

  • Rotonda heights

    Oct 27, 2015 at 2:01 PM

    Comment #23

    Mag 52

    what is with you and your pardew man love.
    The way you carry on you make him sound like KK and sbr rolled in to one, when in reality he couldn’t lace their shoes.

  • Munster Mag

    Oct 27, 2015 at 2:19 PM

    Comment #24

    Rotunda, we was a fret on sunday 🙂

  • Tsunki

    Oct 27, 2015 at 2:28 PM

    Comment #25

    We was a fret, we was…

  • optimistic prime

    Oct 27, 2015 at 2:30 PM

    Comment #26

    Who’s more obsessed with Pardew?

    Pardew himself or some of the folk on here?

    He was average at best, his poor runs we’re more than a match for his rare good ones. I’m pleased he’s gone but unfortunately the legend created by others lingers like a bad smell.

  • Tsunki

    Oct 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM

    Comment #27

    Oh no, I don’t like the way this is going…..

  • JamesToon

    Oct 27, 2015 at 2:46 PM

    Comment #28

    R.E mcclaren

    Jeez how many times has this topic come up??

    Give him time, i’m willing to give him at least a season to implement his philosophy blah blah blah. As said many times before its not gonna be fixed overnight. We could very well have a season of just trying to avoiding relegation, but once that has been accomplished, we can kick on from they, bring in quality, bring through youth where the system and philosophy has been implemented from the first team to the academy. The difference i think between mcclaren and pardew is that mcclaren is a long term manager/coach. He’s looking to build for the future, his coaching team are implementing a style of play that will entertain fans and be played for years to come and that in itself is more stability than there was under pardew, under pardew’s tenure we had no identity, we were inconsistent and dire to watch. I feel in 2-3 years time, players will come through the academy quicker, develop quicker and be more ready for first team football, players brought in will be better and will find it easier to adapt.

    We are building something under mcclaren and it will take time, i don’t see the point sacking him now and having to start all over again and get the players used to another coaching team etc.

  • Ibizatoon

    Oct 27, 2015 at 3:03 PM

    Comment #29

    Has anyone, with any real seriousness, suggested we sack Mcclaren?

    I think people are rightly pointing at where we are, and the dangers we face if we don’t start turning these “improved performances” into points, as come May, we’re going to need them, no matter how our football is looking.

    I think some are suggesting that perhaps Steve needs to look at getting back to some defensive basics to try and get some points in the meantime. I’m not advocating that, by the way.

    For me, as has been discussed previously, the mistake was not getting their man in last January and giving him the latter part of the season to go through this transition.

    We are putting a lot of faith in that things will gel, and turn in to positive results in time to save us this season.

    Saying these things take time is all well and good, but the club should be aware of the timescales we’re working to. We know it takes time, which makes the idea to give Carver 6 months even more ridiculous.

  • catchy in norway

    Oct 27, 2015 at 3:03 PM

    Comment #30


    Under p45 , even towards the end the tone of Eds posts were more about how bad he is being treated , not very often he would relate to how bad we are playing ,
    Now the tone of Eds posts seem to point that Shteve has not got much time , base on the results, I’m totally bemused by it all. It’s like Ed along with many others had made there mind up about Shteve without giving him a chance , all because it went wrong at Derby at the end, in which NUFC had a huge part to play in that, before we stuck our nose in down there he was top of the league flying, that is a simple fact.

    The legacy left behind from p45 and his whole coaching team was one of a losing mentality , defend for your life’s and hope we will be ok.

    Under Shteve in a short time we have gone from a team not doing anything but waiting for our next bit of luck , to a team that goes out and tries to play football “on the front foot” trying to force the issue.

    Now come the end of the season if we are not mid table I will eat my hat. And that will give us a great spring board to kick on next season.

    You can see that the team is together , they have bought into what Shteve is building and it is only a matter of time before good results follow the good football,

    I never ever read Ed coming on here with any Valid points , it’s either shat from other sites, or a lot of total drivil.

    Every previous Derby under p45 , it was some lame excuse, my boys were tired , we was to hyped , the team on Sunday did exactly what Shteve said , played the game and not the occasion. And yes there is a lot of debate on whether it was a pen or not , but pretty much every man and his dog has said it was never a red card, with 11 men we would have got something out of that game , the fact that we were down to 10 men pushing for goals 2 down with minutes to go is a huge plus for me, that a never say die attitude that we all want from our players and coach, more of it for me please

  • sparky55

    Oct 27, 2015 at 3:19 PM

    Comment #31


    I think this is all about balance…

    …we can’t afford to go down whilst going through this change in philosophy…we have to learn how to grind out a win / draw instead of losing beautifully because there’s no point in going down playing the beautiful game is there?

    With a quarter of the season gone we have to get another 34 points to reach the magic 40 and with conceding an average of 2 goals per game that’s no gonna be easy.. To put that into perspective we’d have to draw 25 games scoring an average of 2 goals per game and win 3 games scoring 3 goals or more without losing one game in between.

    The more games we don’t get a draw as a minimum the more games we’ll have to win scoring an average of 3 or more in those games

    I really don’t think we can do that or if we do it will be West Brom Esq…which as we know has only ever happened once.

    From a pure maths perspective the odds will be in the 1,000’s for the above to happen and with only 20 teams in the premiership that means we’re deeper in the sh!te than anyone realises

  • thepict

    Oct 27, 2015 at 6:28 PM

    Comment #32

    Personally,I think it’s worrying that after spending over £50 million pounds, NOBODY could turn ONE of the28 shots on target into a goal. The time for excuses is over. Sunderland 3 shots on goal 3 goals. Point proved.


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