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Is This Why Newcastle Fans Are Happy?

9:34 am, Monday, November 2nd, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 108 Comments

Newcastle fans have been very patient this season and again on Saturday in what turned out to be a frustrating game because we should have beaten Stoke but couldn’t get a goal – the fans stayed with the team right through the game.

The fans saw some great goalkeeping from England goalkeeper Jack Butland – who is now pushing Joe Hart for an England starting place.

Newcastle United v Stoke City - Barclays Premier League

Jack Butland – in inspired form on Saturday

This is what Steve McClaren said after the game:.

“We are where we deserve to be because we were not good enough in the first four or five games,”  “That was when we were not creating chances and were conceding goals.”

“Now, I think everybody can see the progress we have made. As Colo was saying in the changing rooms after the game, if we keep going this way, we will be okay.”

In the first six games we had four defeats and only two draws bit since the Chelsea game we have five points from five games but should have had wins against Chelsea and Stoke – and the Sunderland game was spoiled by some poor refereeing.

So we have seen an improvement since the Chelsea game and the big let-down was at Manchester City when we disappeared for 20 minutes and conceded six goals – apart from that we played well.


McClaren refers to what captain Coloccini said after the game – this is what the Argentine, who had a solid game at center-back said to the lads in the dressing room after the game:

“It was mixed emotions on Saturday.” “We tried from the first minute to get the win.” “But we couldn’t get it because the goalkeeper was in inspired form.”

“He had an unbelievable afternoon, that was the difference.” “We tried for 90 minutes to get the win.” “We played well, got the clean sheet and created chances, there were more positive things to take away from the game.”

“We know we have played well in the last two games, perhaps we deserve more than just one point.”

“Against Stoke we played well again and we were solid. We must follow on with more of the same.” “I think the fans are happy because we are showing that we want to win games and play nice football.”

We wouldn’t say the fans are happy it’s more like they see some good football,  but it’s not being rewarded with wins and 3 points.

Newcastle played good attacking football from the first whistle on Saturday and every player knew what was required of them and there was no complacency at all.

Cheick Tiote and Vurnon Anita to their credit also  got the job done in central midfield – in Jack Colback’s absence.

We give credit to the fans for being very patient – that’s  good but it’s also frustrating for them – and it’s now up to our players to get some wins under their belts from games like Saturday – where we were the better side.

If we can do that we should be able to move away from the relegation zone – we are currently 3rd bottom and Newcastle have never had a worse start to a season since we were formed way back in 1892.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Coaching · Fabricio Coloccini · Newcastle News · Premier League

108 responses so far ↓

  • 1 dogfish // Nov 2, 2015 at 9:37 AM


    How about this


    Left back is a huge concern, we don’t have a good one at the club.

  • 2 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 9:37 AM

    we have had better starts and been relegated

    enough is enough
    less talk more action hwtl

  • 3 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 9:41 AM

    if villa get the man we wanted
    thats us and the makems gone
    dont see anyone else in such bad shape
    agh knaw give us us another loan to buy crap ashley

  • 4 davetoon // Nov 2, 2015 at 9:46 AM

    Interesting discussion about Cisse. Would he have scored those 2 chances in the box that Mitro missed? Probably not based on his last few games imo

  • 5 funlovingexpress // Nov 2, 2015 at 9:47 AM

    We are starting to click. When you play good football you get results.
    They are coming and still see us being 8th on january 31st.

    Laugh now, but I will remind you of my prediction then.

  • 6 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 9:52 AM

    not a chance of eighth and im not laughing

  • 7 ShirebrookToon // Nov 2, 2015 at 9:52 AM


    i hope your right mate

  • 8 hibbitt // Nov 2, 2015 at 9:53 AM

    11games 7 points tells its own storey teams playing good football have gone done its a points game

  • 9 JDdubai // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:00 AM

    The lack of quality in Cm is apparent, Anita/Tiote/Colback are not the same level as Mitro, Mbemba, Wini, Perez etc.

    we can have 1 of the 3 of them in the team as the DM but it leaves a creative gap alongside, someone with a pass who can make an impact further up the field, same job as Cabaye did alongside Tiote.

    Yes a Cb to play alongside Mbemba is priority, though he wont start any games until Colo leaves. But a quality CM who can influenece the game attacking-wise is just as important. To only have 3 real CM is not good enough, Abeid shouldnt have been let go without a replacement.

    Maybe if Thauvin was doing anything then he could allow Sissoko or Wijnaldum to move inside but until he or Aarons are ready then we still have the issue.

    And a quick CF to play off Mitrovic would be good, someone with pace. Either that or Perez needs a season of leg exercises to give him that extra yard of oace, so much ability but cant really et away from anyone.

    3 positions a priority eithe rin Jan or the summer. Others as well but those 3 priority.

  • 10 JDdubai // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:06 AM

    Cisse to go, would take a punt of Afobe or someone like that, could see him alongside Mitro or playing that role himself with Perez.

    Unless we are comfortably mid table, which i cant see, then think we will get 2 or 3 players in january.

    The stoke match just showed exactly what we need to partner Mbemba…Shawcross is exactly what we need. Big, tough, a leader, strong in the air and can organise. Shame we wont go for him.

  • 11 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:06 AM

    we will just buy more sell on crap to try and make ashleys pockets bulge

  • 12 kakaobi // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:07 AM

    Love the fact we are 2nd bottom and many of the pundits choice to go down but…..we’re a better team now haha you couldn’t make it up

  • 13 JDdubai // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    Dream signing would be Tielemens in midfield, not going to happen but maybe we kept good relations with anderlecht after taking Mitro and Mbemba this summer….would be perfect to play the creative CM role.

    Think im going all Kets now but meh..

  • 14 Rotonda heights // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:15 AM

    I just think it’s refreshing we actually try and play some football these days.

    Yes I would have loved a top foreign coach like Tuchel, FDB, Benitez, Garde and others, but in the absense of that at least we don’t have a Pulis, Allardyce or Pardew who should be done for crimes against football.

  • 15 JDdubai // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:16 AM


    Do you not think we are a better team now than 5 games ago? Playing better football, showing improvement.

    Chelsea – excellent performance, just couldnt hold out.
    City – first half should have been 3 up, obvs 2nd half horrendous
    Norwich – excellent
    Mackems – 11v11 outclassed them, even with 10 men we matched them. Whole match turned on dubious call
    Stoke – deserved win, crsated chances, clean sheet, keeper MoM only reason we didnt win.

    Im not saying we arent in the crap, the table doesnt lie. But it seems clear that we have improved a lot in the last 5 games from what went on before.

  • 16 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:21 AM

    playing good attacking attractive football with a crap defence does not always put points on the board
    low points =relegation

  • 17 ilovetoon8788 // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:23 AM

    I agree we play better and it’s nicer to watch. But tell that to me again once we are out of the relegation. Right now, I don’t care. We need points. That’s the bottom line here.

  • 18 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:25 AM

    im sure jib will google up some prophecy that we will avoid the humiliation of the drop

  • 19 Ian Toon // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:27 AM

    What is all the talk of dominating games? We still have only won one league game this season and are in the bottom three. The “it will be all right on the night” talk by many who should know better simply allows complacency to be generated. We have been better in recent weeks, but until we start winning games were relegation candidates. Let’s kick off at Bournemouth in what is a 6 pointer.

  • 20 JDdubai // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:30 AM

    I understand points win prizes and good football means nothing without the points.


    Im just saying i can see improvement in the team and personally i think if we continue to play this way then we will eventually pick up the points the play deserves.

    Id much rather be in our position than the Mackems, Villa or Bmouth etc, at least we look like we are moving in the right direction.

    It comes down to blind faith i guess 🙂

  • 21 funlovingexpress // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    @hibbit yes the odd team playing good football has went down but its no way near the norm.

    It is usually the teams who have very few technical players and can only work hard that struggle.

    The likes of Sunderland for instance.

    <We were always going to struggle at the beginning because we completely changed our playing ethos. It takes time to go through that transitionary period.

    Mcclaren asked us to judge him after ten games and that is what I am doing.

    We have played Norwich, sunderland and Stoke since his ten games were up.

    We hammered Stoke, were vastly superior to sunderland until we only had ten men on the pitch and as for Stoke, we would have won that if it wasn't for a keeper having one of those games.

  • 22 Ian Toon // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:33 AM

    dogfish – it wasn’t only Coloccini that was poor. The priority in January is a strong pacy CB but as you say we desperately need a LB. Aside from being a local Dummet lacks all of the attributes – he’s slow, fails to time his runs and to get back into a defending position. He’s stronger in tackling terms to Simpson but strictly a Championship defender.

  • 23 JDdubai // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:35 AM

    The biggest positive change that i can see now is finally, after years of Pards and even the beginning of this season, we have scrapped the 1 up front crap.

    The transformation was instant, Chelsea game we went 442 and since then we have improved hugely. Shows what can be done with a Cf who offers some kind of presence and intelligent players playing off him.

    If only Thauvin or Aarons were playing well in the side, then we could move Wini or Sissoko centrally and have something positive in there instead of 2 DMs.

  • 24 JDdubai // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:41 AM


    The LB position is key to how we play as well. With Wijnaldum cutting inside a lot and linking things infield, the LB needs to be able to hold the width on the left and at least have a vague idea how to attack.

    If Haidara could improve positionally then he would be ideal as he is quick and likes to attack, still hold out hope for him becoming our LB though he has a lot to develop- having a strong commanding, organising, vocal left CB alongside him would probably help the lad though…

  • 25 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:51 AM

    im sure makro will persist in his stubborn ways and not start a side that will perform naturally,
    which means as pardew did before him by not dropping non performing players and playing his favourites

  • 26 martoon // Nov 2, 2015 at 10:56 AM

    I used to see many posts on this blog saying something like they wouldn’t mind getting beat sometimes if the football was good to watch. Well that’s what is happening at the moment – I’m pretty sure if we keep up this style & standard of football the results will come!

  • 27 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 11:11 AM

    i think more than a few wins were to be included with those defeats

  • 28 hibbitt // Nov 2, 2015 at 11:14 AM

    funloveing when he said that i bet he thought we would have more then 6 points should of won don’t count…… put it down to bad luck mismanagement what ever you like but at the end of the seasons its points that count

  • 29 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 11:16 AM

    points dont come easy
    but it helps if you try

  • 30 optimistic prime // Nov 2, 2015 at 11:31 AM

    Is there a link anywhere to Armstrongs goals at the weekend?

    I’ve seen the rest this season but missed the championship show this weekend, anyone help as I can’t find em.

  • 31 JP...from The Rock // Nov 2, 2015 at 11:48 AM

    Their goalkeeper was inspired form but most of our shots were straight at him too. If we want to score we have to aim at either side of the keeper and not straight at him.

    It was good to see us get a clean sheet and create many chances though. We just need to improve on our shooting and I think we’ll be alright until January were we can bolster our team a little.

  • 32 Jib // Nov 2, 2015 at 11:52 AM

    Armstrong’s in there somewhere

  • 33 Ian Toon // Nov 2, 2015 at 11:56 AM

    JDdubai- It’s called being a fan. You want it so much that it can blind your judgement. Haidara has promise and would be a better option to link going forward with Wijnaldum. Short term needs dictate a ready made defender who can defend. Defensively at present Dummet is the better defender.

    martoon- I really would not mind a few away at Spurs and Manutd 1-0 victories. You’ll remember when Pardew was Manager. At Spurs when Krul’s was a 10/10 MOM performance. I am not proud – I just want to start winning again. Forget all the usual suspects bs. Dominating games!!!!

  • 34 Rotonda heights // Nov 2, 2015 at 11:56 AM

    Being reduced to hoofing and playing for draws with 10 men behind the ball is no guarantee of avoiding the drop either. If you get into a negative mindset and don’t go out to attack and try and win games, you’re doomed.

  • 35 Rotonda heights // Nov 2, 2015 at 12:00 PM

    Dummet looks way more comfortable as a CB than LB. Haidara for me lacks composure, footballing intelligence and concentration. MBabu impressed me most but being NUFC promptly got injured.

  • 36 martoon // Nov 2, 2015 at 12:04 PM

    Ian @33 – Agreed but some of the football at home was dreadful to watch. Most agree we are playing a better style of football – all I’m saying is I’m sure the wins will come.
    Put it this way, despite getting beat, I’d rather have our squad and setup than the makem’s 🙂

  • 37 optimistic prime // Nov 2, 2015 at 12:05 PM

    Thanks jib

    On Armstrong

    He’s scored some decent goals this year.
    The touch to take it away from the defender for his 2nd against Plymouth is a peach.

    He’s in the right place, I wouldn’t bring him back in Jan. As much as Coventry will want him until end of season I’d see how he felt and send him to the Championship until end of season, I think that’s the plan from Schteeve.

  • 38 hibbitt // Nov 2, 2015 at 12:08 PM

    martoon that will be no consulation if were both in the championship next season

  • 39 JDdubai // Nov 2, 2015 at 12:12 PM


    In a perfect world Dummett would have Haidaras attacking ability and speed, or Haidara would have Dummets positioning and defensive brain. Perhaps Mbabu could be the hybrid?

    Im just happy we have left Pardews 4231 crap behind by the looks of it, finally with 442 we look a better team and are playing much better.

    If we have started the season with it and finished with 11 players in the matches, we could have been nicely placed. Sadly we gave eveyrone else a 6 game headstart.

  • 40 Ian Toon // Nov 2, 2015 at 12:33 PM

    JD- Derby fans will tell you that Macca is somewhat of an 4-3-3 obsessive. It’s his fall back position when things are not going well. Playing players out of position which was Pardew’s approach.
    I remember AP as someone who existed under difficult circumstances. It was written into his job description but it’s comforting to realise that Macca has know such constraints in transfer dealings. Pardew was the only manager trying to win against the Mancs.

  • 41 BandB // Nov 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM

    Pardew was operating under difficult circumstances.
    I think a lot of “the usual suspects” could see he was.
    But although it is common enough for bloggers to now claim he was trying to run a broken club that would never be fixed under those restrictions, it was heresy to suggest so at the time.
    Until, that is, Charnley explained that it was EXACTLY how the club operated on his appoinment.
    What was needed , it was said, was time for them to put it right. Even when “putting it right” involved employing the hapless Carver.
    And here we are again….
    One of the worst restrictions Pardew faced was having an untouchable captain far closer to the owner than any manager and therefore a guaranteed starter and captain, regardless of his attitude or form.
    McClaren seems to be working under the same restrictions.
    We may absolutely NEED to buy players outside the current policy in January as a quick fix of players with premiership experience.
    However, the replies given to the fans’ forum recently suggested that this will only be considered in the direst exceptions.
    I imagine the club presently sees us as just one point below 17th place, and therefore just one point off target.

  • 42 mindshaft // Nov 2, 2015 at 12:56 PM

    I like Perez but he normally impresses in areas of the pitch where he can do no damage, his end product usually consists of shooting against the defender – hopefully someone can coach this out of him.
    Mitrovic is another who impresses in the way he bullies CBs but again end product isnt there yet – we need a finisher

  • 43 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 12:56 PM

    and that bandb is still no guarantee of survival

  • 44 Mister Tuff // Nov 2, 2015 at 12:59 PM

    I see we seem to have some knowledge of what was written into King Percys’ and Wallys’ Job Description. I’d be extremely interested to see further information or provenances about these confidential documents.

  • 45 TroubledToon // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:00 PM

    Who says we’re happy?

  • 46 mindshaft // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:03 PM

    Also think Colo gets way too much criticism where Dummett, Janmatt get away scot free.

    We all know Collo can’t head the ball but for some reason Janmatt and Dummett stand off the winger and allow them to throw in any cross they want, our midfield don’t track back ( although they did in the Stoke game ).
    Collo has always been slow so I don’t think this has changed much
    Looking at teams in a similiar situation to ours it’s difficult to think of a CB I’d swap him for ( even if they would come).
    Lascalles doesn’t look like he’s going to fit the bill anytime soon and I’ve noticed Mbemba starting to do walkabouts ( the reason him and collo do this is because our defenders and midfield are mosying around the pitch with their hand down their pants

  • 47 BandB // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:06 PM

    Here is Charnley, explaining how the club operates, it’s aims and goals.

  • 48 Mister Tuff // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:13 PM

    Reading the Fans Forum minutes the other day one aspect which I really do not like is “lumping” together questions on similar subjects and answering in a similar vein -difficult to assess 100% which answer relates to which SPECIFIC question.
    Anyway, I was slightly intrigued about the discussion about emails from the club updating supporters. One rep said he had not received a specific email.
    The clubs response was that the law was such that they were unable to send emails as follows:-
    “The club explained that by law, only supporters who had given prior permission to be contacted by the club could receive these email. Accordingly, work is already underway to review the club’s data in order to present more supporters with more opportunities to ‘opt in’ to future correspondence from key individuals across the football club.”

    I personally do not think this is correct (I would be obliged if anyone with more information could correct me if I’m not up to date).
    I believe that the legislation referred to is in respect of marketing/distance selling ie spamming and nothing at all to do with an email/correspondence updates which has nothing to do with selling or promoting services.
    So my take on it -unless corrected is that the club are wrong about this, I’m contemplating emailing the club about this to seek clarification.

  • 49 NezzaNUFC // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:15 PM

    Patients is a virtue!

    All of us have heard this phrase during our lifetime, now I openly stated at the beginning of pre season that I wasn’t to sure on McClaren but what I’ve seen of late and personally been told by my employees I can see it all coming together.

    For months I’ve been saying go for a 442 formation and it’s panned out to all our expectations, don’t deny it!

    This is the style we have been waiting for and it’s only going to get better in further months.

    As I said before McClaren now knows what are the strongest and weakest links in our squad and for once I’m excited for January when the window opens.

    Now suggestions on positions to strengthen?

  • 50 BandB // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:16 PM

    And here is Charnley describing the freedoms and changes envisaged for the new manager. Not many, as he says himself.

    Note the following….

    “Our overall strategy and structure won’t change – we’re looking for someone who will work within our parameters and will buy into and work with us in terms of what we do and how we operate.

    The traditional English manager who would want full control is not what I’m looking for – they don’t fit within our structure or strategy.

    This isn’t something new but it’s a refinement of the role Alan (Pardew) had. It’s a greater clarity for whoever gets the job, in terms of what they do, what their role is and what they can speak to the media about.

    That way everyone – players, supporters, media – are clearer. He’s the head coach, not a traditional manager. He doesn’t have the final say on transfers and doesn’t get involved in every aspect of the business. His job is coach the players and implement and oversee a philosophy that goes through the first team, the reserves and down through the Academy to improve the players and to ensure we get the best out of them.”

  • 51 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:17 PM

    try everywhere

  • 52 dogfish // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:20 PM

    Yeah dumett is championship at best. I’m losing hope in Haidara, I don’t think he has the technical ability to make it in the prem.

    Centre back is crazy as well, last season we had the same centre backs as the season we spent in the championship! I like colo and still think he can do a job but he’s well past his best so waiting this long to replace him is mad. Need to sign someone and seens as they will probably be foreign it better be January so they can settle in to the team and be ready next season.

    Mitro and Perez are going to be great players but to be relying on such young players in a new team for your goals was risky, hopefully we’ll get a ready striker in jan.

    Someone said it on this thread, centre midfield is really weak compared to the rest of the first team. Should have kept Abeid.

  • 53 BandB // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:21 PM

    It is interesting and illuminating how often, when asking how things would operate now, the Fans’ Forum members were referred to answers given in minutes far pre-dating Ashley’s May statement, and told the policy remained the same as stated there.

  • 54 dogfish // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:24 PM

    I keep forgetting about Rivi. Like to see him get a chance when he’s fit. Unfair to judge him up top on his own in a team incapable of making a chance last season.

  • 55 NezzaNUFC // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:26 PM

    My opinion would be to keep


    Personally I would go for a 1st team CB and a LB for starters, then a prolific striker similar to Mitrovic like Lassoga, so in reference we have


    This offers options and rotation for our strikers.

  • 56 NezzaNUFC // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:28 PM


    Riv has been known to play well with a striker partner to create for and receive from, he could work well with Mitrovic.

  • 57 LGFUAD21 // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:33 PM

    It’s funny.

    In Pardew we had a manager capable of getting results when he was given stability to work with (key players not sold, new recruits)

    And everybody slammed the style of football he played.

    Now we are playing better football and not winning people are up in arms. Some people who I remember saying last season that they’d rather see the team play decent stuff.

    I’m not worried after the Stoke game. Stoke are not a bad team these days and they had the attacking threat to hurt us but we had them pinned back. Butland had an absolute blinder (so much so that Sky are on about him replacing Hart).

    The important thing is that we are moving forward and long term we will be better for it. The results will come if we keep doing what we are doing. We were unlucky yesterday as we were against Sunderland but aside from a collapse in the second half against City I’d say that we are definitely getting better week on week since Watford.

    If we can get a couple of wins out of the next 5 games we will soon start climbing the table. I reckon we can finish 10th/11th which given the state we were in last season is a definite achievement.

  • 58 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:39 PM

    no wins possibly three draws more likely 2 draws tbh

  • 59 NezzaNUFC // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:39 PM


    Very true mate, I said weeks ago I can see the difference between Pardew style and McClaren, and McClaren looks much better in all departments.

  • 60 LGFUAD21 // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:41 PM

    Also I hope we start with that line-up against Bournemouth too. Unless Janmaat is out of course.

    I though Anita and Tiote brough balance to our team and despite still have a few defensive lapses they really allowed us to get bodies forward in attack,

    Tiote looked much better and was spraying passes around during periods.

    Perez look very good too IMO. He created the most chances out of any Prem player this weekend and was very smart on the ball – little things like knowing when to let it run across his body. I see him and Mitrovic developing a very good partnership.

    The only real obvious floor I saw in our team was Dummet. I think the lad has a future at CB but not at LB I would just about rather see Haidara there although he is very inconsistent.

    Moussa was good too I thought. Le Tissier was meh about him but the amount of times he got us going on the break was great from him. I hope he can keep performing like that as he’s finally starting to show signs of linking up with his team mates which he didnt do in the past. You could see the terror on the Stoke players faces whenever he got the ball and doing so means they dont have their eye on Gini, mitro and Perez.

    Just need to find some composure in front of the goal now.

  • 61 LGFUAD21 // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:47 PM


    To be honest I couldnt see any progress really until the last 10 minutes against Watford.

    But our players look more composed on the ball – something I suspect Cathro has something to do with. They look like they are comfortable keeping possession and knocking it round where they used to panic and hoof it.

    I still see us way too open and we’ll be torn apart by any of the top teams (currently top I must say like Leicester) so I hope we can correct that in January with a CB and a DM unless Tiote can start showing some consistent form.

    I think Steve doesnt have it easy at all. If we want to create chances we have to gamble a bit at the back presently but I think Anita and Tiote together could work pretty well.

    Anita gets a lot of guff and I dont like it when he plays DM alone but next to a DM with players like Moussa and Gini wanting to attack I think he’s just what we need (someone to keep it tidy, make himself available to the pass and keep things ticking over).

  • 62 BandB // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:51 PM

    Something that looks better but isn’t is the very definition of a cosmetic improvement.

  • 63 LGFUAD21 // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:51 PM

    I can see us taking all 3 against Bournemouth.

    Leicester I worry will tear us apart in their form.
    Palace I reckon 0-0

    Going into December though I think we could take poitns off Villa and West Brom and I think we could give Everton, Liverpool and Spurs a good go (unless Klopp brings Liverpool on a lot in the next few weeks.

    I think the way we are playing it’s not so much the calibre of the team that matters its more the style of the team.

    We will struggle against teams that like to counter big time but teams that want to knock it around a lot and defend well I think we can keep on the back foot and grind out draws if not wins. Wont be pretty but it’ll build confidence and give us a platform to work off come January.

  • 64 LGFUAD21 // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:52 PM



    But how many chances are we now creating compared to last season?

    I wonder how many games last season we had 6 shots on target.

  • 65 Rotonda heights // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:57 PM

    Patience = being tolerant and understanding
    Patients = people who doctors treat

  • 66 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 1:59 PM

    realist’s in

  • 67 JDdubai // Nov 2, 2015 at 2:01 PM

    I think as a LB, Dummett is as good as he will get. Whereas Haidara has potential to become better, that overlapping LB which we need when Wijnaldum cuts inside.

    What Haidara needs to help him is a strong, vocal leader next to him at left CB, someone to keep talking to him and providing him more cover. It cant help the lad when every now and again he sees Colo charging out of the defensive line and causing chaos.

    In terms of ideal recruitment in Jan

    Afobe or another pacy Cf to play off Mitrovic.

    Obviosuly we wont get them, but players in that mold, a big CB to handle the air and organise the backline, a creative CM to pick a pass, a pacy CF to play off Mitro and give Perez a breather.

    Yes LB and other positions need looking at, but the spine of the team needs reinforcing, as we did in the summer.

    Time will tell if we look to push on. Cant see anyone leaving in January, but summer will probs see Sissoko leave. If we hadnt spunked our cash into Thauvin and had a form wide player then we could move Sissoko or Wijnaldum infield to improve things.

  • 68 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 2:01 PM

    draws are relegation form

  • 69 BandB // Nov 2, 2015 at 2:02 PM


    I agree with some of what you are saying. It is absolutely true that we have to gamble at the back to create chances, and that McClaren is more prepared to gamble than Pardew was.
    But then, draws won’t do for McClaren, as he has no cushion to fritter away.
    The bottom line is that the hole at the back that means the manager has to choose between having a functional attack OR a functional defence has not been fixed.
    And that is because the buying and selling polices we pursue are not designed to bring in battle-hardened defenders, who don’t fit the financial profile…which is STILL taking precedence over the footballing requirements.

  • 70 JDdubai // Nov 2, 2015 at 2:03 PM

    Good to see Mbabu in the squad for the u21s tomight.

    And Marveaux too, interesting to see if Aarons is there.

    For the next fans meeting, someone please ask what the hell is going on with that lad. This time last season he was good enough for the squad and scored some goals, now nothing..

  • 71 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 2:10 PM

    you wouldn’t get a straight answer why ask

  • 72 LGFUAD21 // Nov 2, 2015 at 2:36 PM

    John Tudor

    Draws are relegation form unless youa re talking about taking a point from top 4 opposition. Then its a valuable point as well as a confidence boost.

    I can see wins coming we just need to keep building.

    Lets not forget we have had an incredibly tough start with our fixtures. I think now we have a real chance to keep growing as a team and getting wins under our belts.

  • 73 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 2:38 PM

    your assessment of the next 5 games would be nice as i said possibly 3 pts but reality sees 2 pts

  • 74 DJM TOON // Nov 2, 2015 at 2:41 PM

    anyone know where i can watch eh whole game back? or at least decent hi lights!

  • 75 BandB // Nov 2, 2015 at 2:43 PM

    Of the teams we have played so far, five are in the top half of the table, and six are in the bottom half (despite the fact we only beat one of them.)

  • 76 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 2:46 PM

    boots must be making a killing on those rose tinted specs

  • 77 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 2:54 PM

    Newcastle United Fixtures

    November 2015
    Show last 5 matches and coverage Competition Fixture Date Kick-off Status
    Premier League
    Bournemouth v Newcastle Sat 7 Nov 12:45
    Show draw maybe
    Premier League
    Newcastle v Leicester Sat 21 Nov 15:00
    Show draw
    Premier League
    Crystal Palace v Newcastle draw possibly Sat 28 Nov 15:00
    December 2015

    Premier League
    Newcastle v Liverpool Sun 6 Dec 16:00
    Premier League
    Tottenham v Newcastle Sun 13 Dec 16:00

  • 78 JDdubai // Nov 2, 2015 at 2:54 PM


    Well we can either be negative and think the worst will happen or give the new coaching team a chance and hope that what they said will happen.

    Already we are playing better football than under Pardew, we put a near full strength team out in the cup(shame they played utter crap but at least the intent was theyre as they said to try to take it seriously).

    And it appears as McClaren is Carr’s mate that we might get proper backing in the transfers, so thats promising.

    Yes i know where we are in the table and points etc but iv had how many years under Pardew with no good football, no ambition which made me more apatheitc towards the club than ever before.

    So im now going to give them the chance to backup what they claimed pre season and see how it goes this year. Im tired of the negativity we had under the previous manager. And I will say this, im now looking forward to match day so much more than i was than any time during the previous 3 seasons.

  • 79 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 2:55 PM

    3 at best many do you think?

  • 80 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 2:56 PM

    he can have all the time in the world the strategy is broken

  • 81 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 2:58 PM

    i am a realist not pessimistic nor optimistic
    ashley has broken my club

  • 82 BandB // Nov 2, 2015 at 2:58 PM


    I don’t believe we can’t get out of this.
    But the manager has no illusions, and some of the players are also concerned about our inability to bag our chances (see Wijnaldum today)
    They know complacency is the enemy, as we all should.
    It shouldn’t be beyond our wit to combine decent football with a few results.
    In the end, sixteenth would be greeted with relief and presented as some kind of triumph, and the whole shoddy process will start again.

  • 83 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:01 PM

    absolutely bandb

  • 84 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:02 PM

    ashley has broken my club
    to satisfy his greed and world domination of the tat sportswear market

  • 85 JDdubai // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:02 PM

    Time will tell guys i guess.

  • 86 ToonMatt // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:04 PM

    I’ll be happy when Ashley is gone and he can take Charnley, McClaren and his crappy sports direct advertising sh*t with him, The club is rotten!

  • 87 lochinvar // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:04 PM

    And what exactly are our beloved FA for ?
    They had a good look at Jonny the spit Evans and Pappiss for their misdemeanours – Costa kicked the guy in the chest in petulance – tut tut – at least 4 game ban which might well be beneficial to Moanrinio who is also to be taken to Court personally by Dr. Carnerio.
    Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.
    Good luck to the good Doctor.

    Chelsea striker Diego Costa could be banned for four matches after appearing to kick out at Liverpool defender Martin Skrtel in Saturday’s 3-1 defeat at Stamford Bridge. (ESPN)
    But another report claims Costa will not be punished as the FA is satisfied the incident does not warrant further action. (Daily Mail)

  • 88 BandB // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:04 PM


    I would say after nine years of false dawns and high hopes, time has told us absolutely nothing.

  • 89 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:06 PM

    i got the gist after ashleys first year of tenure

  • 90 JDdubai // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:10 PM


    What went before, yes i agree.

    Im just giving them the chance to back up what was said last season about changing. Im oreoared to be called naive and stupid, its ok.

    But Pardew leaving was the first chance for proper change in 5 years.
    They hired someone they trust now by the looks of it and will back financially.
    They put a full strength team out for the cup
    We are playing better football now than in the previous 4 seasons

    Im willing to wait, see how January goes, give the team more than just 12 games to adapt from hoofball and see where we are.

    If nothing had changed from this time last season and we were being served up the same dross week in, week out then i would be agreeing with you. Im no Ashley fan, the previous seasons speak for themselves and agree he led the club into this position.

    Anyway, we all see things differently, c’est la vie.

  • 91 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:10 PM

    what no predictions from the all seeing eye or anyone else on the next 5 games
    come come there must be some takers

  • 92 hibbitt // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:17 PM

    so on december 31st how many points do you think we will have

  • 93 BandB // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:17 PM


    I am still waiting to see if this new leaf was anything more than a ruse to take Ashley out of the firing line.
    I also hope to see the cosmetic improvements on the pitch being turned into points, at which point they will not be cosmetic anymore.
    We have time. Just not as much as some seem to think.
    I was concerned to see Fans’ Forum members being told that they could find the answers to questions about present policy in rather elderly minutes.
    How many new leaves are they going to find in the old books?

  • 94 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:18 PM

    not too many 14 at best

  • 95 hibbitt // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:21 PM

    i can only see 13

  • 96 Ibizatoon // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:21 PM

    Wrote a faily long post before (who? me? No, can’t be) and can’t really be bothered to type it up again. The general theme was that I’m failing to understand how the club expect people to have faith and trust, when they still haven’t actually acknowledged what mistakes it is they’ve learnt from.

    This isn’t about playing the blame game, it’s about understanding and accepting and actually being able to move on. Given the task at hand, and the clubs calls to have everyone on board, this isnt unreasonable to me, it just seems logical.

  • 97 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:22 PM

    but we are healthy and the owners wealthy

  • 98 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:25 PM

    ibiza that twonk will still blame the supporters for upsetting the players and club staff

  • 99 BandB // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:28 PM

    And JD,

    I made my point @41.
    Then I tried to back it up with what I considered to be supporting evidence.
    Since which I have had a polite discussion with two people with different views.
    I won’t be calling you stupid or naive. You just have SOME different views, which you hold honestly and which I enjoy reading all the same.

  • 100 Ibizatoon // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:29 PM

    JT…Which particular twonk? The rich twonk, or the twonk that’s supposedly running the show now?

  • 101 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:33 PM

    the twonk that purports to run the club

  • 102 Ibizatoon // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:37 PM

    I see, deputy twonk.

    It’d be ill advised to turn on the fans at this stage, I’d be shocked if he does.

    Mind, I wouldn’t put it past them to blame the fans for how our season panned out last season.

    Maybe instead of finding players with the right character, they should concentrate their efforts on finding fans with the right character? 🙂

  • 103 BandB // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:37 PM


    If they want to draw a line under last season and not talk about it, fair enough.
    Let’s see what improvement the new season holds instead…
    Okay…so they don’t want to dwell on the start of the new season either?
    Fair enough.
    As long as they don’t say the same thing at Christmas.

    I can see how they would prefer people to look forward with optimism towards things that haven’t happened, rather than have them dwelling on all the things that have.
    Just wipe your memories folks. It’s all rosy up ahead…this time.

  • 104 BandB // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:38 PM

    Oh…and it’s school run now.

  • 105 John Tudor // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:41 PM

    pardew guest guitarist at talent night

  • 106 Ibizatoon // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:43 PM

    BandB…As you know, fan treatment / involvement has been my biggest gripe with the Ashley era.

    Clearly I am naive, as I still cannot get my head round the idea that if all is due to be rosy, as they are now acting correctly (after learning from these mistakes), why not do just that and draw a line under it.

    A bit like last season, I question who benefits from this lack of clarity and this us and them which they refuse to put to bed.

    Some may argue it’s me that wont put it to bed. I refer them back to my original post.

    The matter hasn’t been put to bed, we’ve been asked to have faith, something a fair few fans don’t have left in them.

  • 107 Ibizatoon // Nov 2, 2015 at 3:44 PM

    BandB…You lucky thing. Until next time.

  • 108 BandB // Nov 2, 2015 at 4:42 PM


    You can understand their appeal to fans’ faith in the future, for which there is no evidence, and their pleas that people forget the past, where there is plenty of evidence. Playing on peoples’ trust and faith are the classic elements of the confidence trick.

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