It´s certainly a crucial game at Bournemouth for us tomorrow ans we just hope after the game we are not talking about the poor game the referee had or the fantastic play of the opposing goalkeeper which is what has happened in our last two games at Sunderland and at home to Stoke.
Even though we played some of our best football of the season we ended up with just one point out of those two games which is one reason we are still third bottom of the league table.
Bournemouth manager Eddie Howe
We have to play at or near our best tomorrow on the south coast and get all three points and that will take us out of the bottom three.
There should be no excuses after the game if we fail to do that.
Almost seven in ten Newcastle fans expect a win tomorrow – so anything else will be another huge disappointment.
Comments welcome.
114 comments so far
cyprus
Nov 6, 2015 at 9:05 AM
Comment #1I see. I get this shouting thing (‘Keeper’, ‘out’) as tactical things, not sure it’s necessary to have shouters all over the pitch. Leadership doesn’t necessarily entail that.
I’d like to see more pre post game huddles, people encouraging one another, covering for one another, leading by example, a team spirit, people enjoying their work.
I do think that the leader ain’t there yet.
Bambams
Nov 6, 2015 at 9:06 AM
Comment #2This will not be an easy game. Our away form down south is not good, but we need at least 10 wins to stay up
Lilongwe Geordie
Nov 6, 2015 at 9:11 AM
Comment #3Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 6, 2015 at 9:09 AM
Cyprus,
You don’t need them all over the pitch, although each player should be vocal enough to give team mates information throughout the game. IN terms of the very vocal players at least one is required to help maintain a teams shape, structure and to lift players when heads are down. A vocal centre half would be my first signing as I think with more direction from a leader in the back line our fullbacks and central midfielders would hold better positions and shape.
It can also increase concentration levels – a great example at NUFC is when Woodgate played with Bramble. Bramble was ten times the player because he had all the physical attributes, but would mentally switch off. Woodgate constantly talking to him and helping him through saw Bramble play the best football of his career. Shame Woody played so infrequently.
cyprus
Nov 6, 2015 at 9:11 AM
Comment #4If (IF) we play like our last 3 games we should blow them away.
jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew
Nov 6, 2015 at 9:11 AM
Comment #5Ibiza…we can if you like make it a topic for everyone to chip in. Would maybe give a clearer picturer of where “people” are placed in discuss discussion 😉
I find it impossible to get on your side I have to admit.
And I am not saying what your where implying…Lilongwe got it the second time 😉
Jail for Ashley
Nov 6, 2015 at 9:12 AM
Comment #6Catchy,
P45 has gone, get over it, and btw it was under Carvers disastrous watch that Santon was sent packing, not that he had any say in the matter what so ever mind.
banjax
Nov 6, 2015 at 9:17 AM
Comment #7I expect nothing less than a win at Bournemouth on Saturday, no excuses from Steve McLaren and if we don’t then I would expect him to lose his job. Talking a good game is not good enough with promises of jam tomorrow coming from all quarters at Newcastle. Despite all the upbeat rhetoric our results are still what they are : absolute crap!!
Lilongwe Geordie
Nov 6, 2015 at 9:18 AM
Comment #8Jesper,
I got it first time, I just don’t think that anyone was even close to implying that was what we thought should happen.
cyprus
Nov 6, 2015 at 9:19 AM
Comment #9Lilo, you said Bramble and best football in the same sentence!!
No, I get you mate 🙂
The overrated Frenchman
Nov 6, 2015 at 9:24 AM
Comment #10A loss at Bournemouth might well bring the curtain down on the McClaren tenure I reckon. One point from these last three games could well be the final straw. Not that it matters of course. With Charnley and Carr left in place to make the big decisions we are doomed anyway. His replacement will be as unimaginative and uninspiring and ineffective as Steve himself was. I suppose when we are relegated Ashley will just shrug his shoulders and get his minions to do the sums to limit the financial damage. Howay the lads. Remember when we won the Fairs Cup?
Lilongwe Geordie
Nov 6, 2015 at 9:26 AM
Comment #11Cyprus,
I say ‘best football of his career’, everything is relative… 😉
jimmysmith
Nov 6, 2015 at 9:26 AM
Comment #12From “The Guardian”, and about right I think.
“Newcastle United remain in a state of anxiety, still stuck in 18th after winning only one of their first 11 games, but there are reasons for encouragement. They were denied their second win by the heroics of Stoke City’s goalkeeper, Jack Butland, last weekend, while the defeat against Sunderland hinged on a controversial refereeing decision. Although Newcastle need to show that they can react to adversity better, the majority of their performances have not been terrible and they could be a force if they gel under Steve McClaren. Aleksandar Mitrovic, for instance, will develop into a potent striker as long as he retains his focus away from the pitch and curbs his aggression on it. With Bournemouth in a rut, Newcastle will expect to win at the Vitality Stadium. Eddie Howe’s strugglers will replace Newcastle in the bottom three if they lose.” JS
They will take our place in the bottom three should we win.
martoon
Nov 6, 2015 at 9:27 AM
Comment #13cyprus @1 – I have to say I’m not a fan of the pre-match huddle I think it looks stupid. Surely all the geeing up and motivation etc. should be done just before they come onto the pitch.
I’ve actually noticed we don’t do huddles now I think it’s since McClaren started but I maybe wrong.
Average_Contents
Nov 6, 2015 at 9:30 AM
Comment #14Win bar is far to high.
Disastrous.
catchy in norway
Nov 6, 2015 at 9:34 AM
Comment #15Jesper Ibiza
i get it, people have limitiations and this is never the persons fault, and i will would never have a go at a player because he is not good enough, i could never fault willo or obertan for trying, and IMO both of these did not try hard enough, willo is 6ft4 and can not head the ball, that should be his strongest thing, yet in both penalty areas he seems to hide, never attacks the ball, a sad fact, his only goal was scored by his feet, someone with his hight should get 3-6 goals a season, obertan is not good enough and he hides in games, i have huge issues with that.
My big problem with all of this is the manager, SAF would never drop a player that was good just because he fell out with him, he might try a different way to teach him a lesson, but he always put the good of the team club first, then he would shift the player on at first opertunity. our manager had options to play instead of willo, but never took them, dummett proved to be a capable CB much better than Willo, Yanga, curtis good were brought in and not used, this is a manager problem not a player problem, both play for his country so they can not be that bad.
in recent years our team has never been a team made of the best players in there best position, its been made with players who do not fight or argue, happy to play anywhere, and this is a thing that bugs me when i hear P45 come out and say he is a winner, he is far from a winner, winners dont accept the treatment he supposedly got form above, he accpted it, and a wanted his players to be in the same mould..
we lost to many good players for nothing, his loser attitude
The overrated Frenchman
Nov 6, 2015 at 9:58 AM
Comment #16jimmysmith@12. Every manager, every “toe the line” journo and club spokesperson will find reasons (never “excuses”) why their team is sat at the bottom of the table. At the end of the day talk is cheap and counts for nowt. At some point a line has to be drawn even if it’s just symbolic. A sending off, missed chances, a player injured – none of that will wash if we lose to Bournemouth. Something should be changed before it’s just too late and it all becomes set in stone – and we drop like one.
lesh
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:02 AM
Comment #17What’s brought on the nostalgia trips?
Pardew, HBA…… Who’s next, Marcellino?
jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:09 AM
Comment #18Ibiza..send me a message mate if you want me to write that in English as well 😀
Jib
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:10 AM
Comment #19This is the Team for tomorrow lunchtime.
Kevin M’Babu will be the most important players on the bench as he can cover all back 4 positions and Janmaat and Dummett are both carrying niggles.
anthc
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:11 AM
Comment #20The typical newcastle after some good performances will probably be garbage and lose the Bournemouth game, a game we need to win imo. We do it time after time though play well against teams above us then crumble against teams below us when we expect a win.
I agree the football has been better but I’d take a scrappy unconvincing win tomorrow. We’re approaching the half way point and have nowhere near the points needed.
Steve needs to stop his politician talk and get results or we may swap places with his previous club.
jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:12 AM
Comment #21Lilongwe…I have to admit that from reading your reply to me the first time it was not clear at all that you got it the first time…
…it’s the same with Ibiza’s reply.
I still mean what I said and if there’s a need we can it up as a blog subject?
martoon
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:13 AM
Comment #22The overrated Frenchman – I agree Bournemouth is a ‘must win’ game but if we don’t I think it’s a bit early for sacking the manager. If we did I can’t think of anybody out there at the moment who could replace him?
The overrated Frenchman
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:16 AM
Comment #23Completely off topic. Pick your best EPL 11, based on this season. Then second best, third best etc. Be objective, and see how far you have to go to get a Newcastle player in. Windjalum got in to my eighth best team, our first entry.
jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:19 AM
Comment #24Catchy…I get your sentiment mate.
As with everything in life I do believe one should be responsible for oneself and not rely on the collective to do that for you.
The safety net is there when all else fails.
Willo only have himself to blame for his shortcomings…I don’t champion ’em and I don’t excuse ’em. When I watch football I expect a certain level – and I am not speaking of commitment. Some players can get away with only 80% and some cannot even get away with a 150%.
Jib
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:20 AM
Comment #25The overrated Frenchman // Nov 6, 2015 at 9:58 AM
“Something should be changed before it’s just too late and it all becomes set in stone – and we drop like one.”
Very dramatic , but well removed from the reality of a constantly changing and improving situation plus the next window opens 7 weeks today.
JDdubai
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:20 AM
Comment #26Anyone seen Toonbrother since we kept the clean sheet with Colo playing?
AncientC
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:28 AM
Comment #27If we don’t beat Bournemouth on Saturday – we will be heading towards another appalling statistic. It will be 1 away win in 1 calendar year.
Not that 2 wins (including home games) in the last 22 league games is much better.
Time to get off this slippery slope, pronto.
Jib
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:30 AM
Comment #28The overrated Frenchman
I’d love to see the 14 or so EPL midfielders you rate ahead of Wijnaldum
Munster Mag
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:38 AM
Comment #29Lil, you totally misunderstood my analysis of Pardew yesterday and felt that I was saying he’s a good coach. I dont . I just dont think he deserved the levels of abuse he got on this site. Particularly during his good spell. I mean, when you read Ancient C saying ….” why should we give Pardew any credit for 5th ” ….it really does show you how stupid some of the people are in this discussion. I dont rate Martinez hugely, although his teams are easier on the eye.
Jail for Ashley
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:41 AM
Comment #30Jesper,
So can Willo be blamed for the club not accepting a perfectly good offer of 2M pounds for him ?
Jail for Ashley
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:47 AM
Comment #31Munster,
Ffs man, there were about five or six people that regularly abused him and wouldn’t give him credit for anything, are you going to harp on about them forever. The sackpardew mob/crew/shower/rabble were perfectly right to want rid of him, if he was still here cups would still not be priotity, at least not publicly and we’d be facing the same horrible depressing January with fifteen points in the bag already and safety only a few more wins and draws away from being able to sell someone in January.
Munster Mag
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:50 AM
Comment #32Tomorrow is a bit of a watershed moment in some ways i think. If we lose by, say, two goals to Bournemouth, I dont think SMC can have much time left, particularly if we play badly. Apparently he talked a lot of PR and management guff at Forest aswell and they were still poor because he couldnt coach results out of a limited bunch of players. I think we will draw tomorrow, 2-2, but just hope we can sneak a win to give “the group” ( yawn ) the belief and impetus needed, and relieve Schteve of some pressure.
jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:52 AM
Comment #33Jail…what has that got to do with what I said?
You are drawing parallels that have nothing to do with one and another.
AncientC
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:54 AM
Comment #34Munster Mag, I went into some detail, as to my reasoning why I believe Pardew is undeserving of the credit for getting the club to 5th place. It was not good management that got us to 5th place, it was more circumstantial… feel free to read over my post again.
I shall stick to backing up my views with evidence, you may go back to calling other bloggers who disagree with you ‘stupid’ and persist with your fallacious arguments.
Ibizatoon
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:54 AM
Comment #35Jesper…I’ll have another read later and get back to you. If I try now, I’ll make even less sense than normal.
Munster Mag
Nov 6, 2015 at 10:54 AM
Comment #36Jail, far more than 5 blokes, far far more. They are just the ones who still bang an about him, and cant accept any good stuff. I’d better stop before I am seen as an evangelical pardew fan – believe me i’m not , and dont particularly even like the guy or rate him , but the website was vindictive and spineless, written by guys who wouldnt identify themselves. Anyway, its rich that you go on about me, when you have been boring us about Ash for so long. How about we both change the record? Deal ?
AncientC
Nov 6, 2015 at 11:02 AM
Comment #37The ‘sackpardew’ website creator/creators were spineless because they wanted to remain unnamed. Perhaps they wanted to avoid legal action.
It is good to see some camaraderie with your fellow fans, over a past manager with no links to the club, that you do not rate.
Munster Mag
Nov 6, 2015 at 11:03 AM
Comment #38Ancient, evidence? What evidence? If you are happy to accept the evidence that we were nearly relegated, you must accept the evidence that we got 5th and did quite well in Europa. Thats evidence. You dont get 5th in the prem league for being crap. Or lucky. The season is too long to survive on luck. So you are quick to lambast someone for failure, but ” why should we give credit for 5th ” . Completely illogical. Its impossible for most of you to accept that Pardew was a below average or possibly average manager who did well in spells, did bloody awful in spells, and left us mid table where he found us. Is it that difficult to accept the facts of the league positioning ? And to re-iterate for the 100th time, I dont think he;s a particularly good coach, and i dont want him back.
Munster Mag
Nov 6, 2015 at 11:07 AM
Comment #39Ancient, call it cameraderie or whatever u like , I just believe in fairness and logic. I dont believe in killing a manager for nearly relegating us, and ignoring 5th place ( yes i know chelsea and liverpool werent as good as normal ) and a decent europa showing. There may be no point talking to brick walls re this but i dont accept lambasting anyone, player or manager, without lookimng at the full picture. Jeez maybe i’m just a nice guy .
Munster Mag
Nov 6, 2015 at 11:12 AM
Comment #40If there is one manager i do hate, its Fat Sam, but I was happy to have him when he got the job, because i felt the club needed a more scientific appraoch to injuries and a strong personality. So it shows what I know! Mind you, I think in his first game, or first telavised game I say ( Villa? ) , from KO, we passed it back once, then our striker Martins (?) sprinted towards their corner flag, and out midfielder lumped it long for him. It went out of play I think, but like a rugby team, we were deep in their territory. It was amazing to watch. Apologies if some of that details is hazy or incorrect.