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Leicester City An Example To Newcastle On What’s Possible

3:15 pm, Wednesday, November 18th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 109 Comments

Steve McClaren has been talking about the upcoming game at St. James’ Park on Saturday and it will be a stern test by Leicester City who have made a great start to the season and are currently in 3rd place in the Premier League and only one point out of first place.

Former Newcastle coach Nigel Pearson started the revival earlier this year and starting on 4th April they won seven of their last nine games and lost only one – so they got a fantastic 22 points from the last 9 games and finished in 14th place on 41 points.

As a contrast to that – in Newcastle’s last nine games we lost seven and won one for only 4 points – so from April 4th Leicester City gained a massive 18 points on Newcastle.

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Claudio Ranieri – doing great at Leicester City

Leicester then fired Pearson and brought in former Chelsea coach Claudio Ranieri who has done great so far this season.

In fact in Leicester’s last 21 league games they have amassed 43 points.

It’s certainly going to be a big test for the Magpies on Saturday and we hope our best team turns up to the game.

This is what Steve has said in the Chronicle today:

“It’s not like Leicester coming here last year, then they were in the bottom three.” “Leicester have been the surprise team of the season so far.” “It’s been a big turnaround and how it can happen.”

“That’s in just one year.” “You can go from being in the bottom three to the top three.” “Nigel Pearson takes credit and Claudio Ranieri takes credit for using his experience to steady the ship.”

“It’s hard to do when you just come in, but he’s done it.” “They are one of those teams, a bit like West Ham, who have had a great start to the season.”“It’s going to be a fantastic game.”

“But they are a team who are never dead.” “That’s the key thing.” “Even if you are 2-0 up you can’t think you are alright because they keep coming from behind.” “They have great spirit.”

“Leicester are a team we can look at and say: ‘Look what can be done’.” “You see what can be done in a year.” “It’s purely through good management and the spirit of the players.”

“You look at the boy Vardy, he’s on fire.” “He’s scored in the last nine games.” “They are in the top three.” “It’s going to be some game.”

We were hoping that in-form striker Jamie Vardy would not be fit enough to play for the Foxes, but it looks like Jamie will start the game, even if not completely fit.

If he plays and scores against Newcastle he will have scored a goal in every one of the last 10 league games and equal Ruud van Nistelrooy’s record.

Why play if he is not 100% fit and maybe miss out on the record?

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Unfortunately, Jamie will probably start the game on Saturday.

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109 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Bobbybee // Nov 18, 2015 at 3:29 PM

    I have no idea what his injury is, but playing with an injury just to break a record sounds reckless to me. He can still break the record surely, because it’s about ten consecutive games. If he doesn’t play, it can’t be counted as part of the consecutive run, can it? Van Nistleroy’s record spread over two seasons after all. I’d happily see him take a record off Manure, but he could further damage himself in the first few minutes and be out for months. A risk not worth taking with the Euro’s in the summer, surely?

  • 2 Graeme // Nov 18, 2015 at 3:43 PM

    Could be some game alright – Unless McLaran has them all fired up and we play at least twice as well as against Bournemouth, we could well get spanked.

  • 3 Jib // Nov 18, 2015 at 3:57 PM

    Bobby
    It’s a hip flexor injury , similar to what Mario Balotelli has just had surgery on in Germany.
    Vardy would be potty to take pain killers or injections to play through it.

  • 4 Jail for Ashley // Nov 18, 2015 at 4:04 PM

    BobbyBee,
    I’m assuming it’s ten actual games in a row rather than games someone has actually started in.
    Also,
    If you and Sazzer think that it is a requirement for McLaren to win a cup and finish eighth I think you are a little bit off the mark. imo. He will be incentivised to reach those targets but he certainly won’t be losing his job with 12th place finishes and miserable cup runs.

  • 5 Jib // Nov 18, 2015 at 4:12 PM

    Jail for Ashley – “he certainly won’t be losing his job with 12th place finishes and miserable cup runs.”

    Nor should he.

  • 6 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Nov 18, 2015 at 4:16 PM

    Jail…the problem with that business model us that the players performance eventually will reflect that same attitude!

    …they club gets back they pour or in this case don’t pour into it!

  • 7 MadisonToon // Nov 18, 2015 at 4:17 PM

    Leicester should never be an example for us. Spouting that nonsense is pathetic. Just as Southampton was an example for us a few years back, or Swansea. Every season there is a team that overperforms and has an impressive season, or at least the start of one. However, since the season we finished 5th we haven’t been one of those ‘revelations’ of the season and have languished.

    We need to stop comparing ourselves to the teams that are performing well and make a commitment to moving Newcastle up in the table – the Newcastle that is a unique team and not truly comparable to any of the other teams in the PL. Most of the revelations from the past few seasons are teams that have just come up from the Champ, weren’t expected to do well but started strong – these teams are in a very different place than NUFC is. Figure out how to move Newcastle up the table given the goals/confines of our team/club/institution and make a plan for Newcastle, not a carbon copy of the plan for a team in a different situation than ours that is performing well.

    /rant off

  • 8 Jail for Ashley // Nov 18, 2015 at 4:19 PM

    Why not Jib,
    I thought they’d said his target was eighth and to win a cup, how many top 12 finishes and miserable cup runs should he be allowed

  • 9 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Nov 18, 2015 at 4:22 PM

    My phone just crashed that text…I’ll try again!

    Jail…the problem with that business model is that the player’s performance eventually will reflect that same attitude!

    …the club gets back what they pour, or in this case don’t pour into it!

  • 10 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Nov 18, 2015 at 4:36 PM

    MadisonToon…that’s because Newcastle don’t aspire to much these days! It’s the sad truth!

    We will always have Ashley’s word of wisdom and the usual pro forma goals each season.

  • 11 Ravostag // Nov 18, 2015 at 4:53 PM

    Why dont we look at some young lower Division players hungry for success? Much better than overated imports

  • 12 banjax // Nov 18, 2015 at 4:59 PM

    If we are still in the relegation zone at Xmas then David Moyes is available.

  • 13 Graeme // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:02 PM

    Ravostag – but if they are hungry for success, surely, NUFC is the last place they would want to be. Unless their definition of success is making a shed load of money.

    After almost 8 years of dross, we finally say we are aiming to win something – so very easy to spout, much more difficult to deliver. They need to do a whole lot more than they have done to date to convince me they actully mean it.

    Time will tell I guess.

  • 14 Jib // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:05 PM

    I can offer no evidence for my opinion but I think Steve McClaren is a better manager than David Moyes .

  • 15 Mister Tuff // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:12 PM

    JIB STRIKES AGAIN.

    I was getting a bit worried as there had been no recent gaffes by Jib Jibberrish – however I needn’t have worried -Jib previously posted about Perez winning a marathon – as already pointed out it was a completely different person.
    What a tool.
    Jib -attached is link for a picture of the athlete – not the footballer.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/565644146103181312/GFuygrhP.jpeg

    You cannot make up this stuff – always good for a gaffelaugh is Jib Jibberish.

  • 16 MadisonToon // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:13 PM

    jesper –

    I just don’t understand the commitment of the PR team to re-state that ‘other teams are doing well, we should be like them’ and think that will pacify the fans. For NUFC to achieve more than 8th place consistently, there will need to be a plan put into place that transitions a team who is bottom-half material into the top half. If parallels to other teams need to be drawn then Everton would really be the best comparison but even that isn’t good enough. For NUFC to achieve a consistent top half (or top 8) finish each year the transfer/development/coaching plan needs to be tailored to us not copied after others who show some success with their plans.

    Related to that I could see how Moyes might be an attractive manger as he oversaw Everton’s transition…but the MA environment is unique to NUFC and I’m not sure Moyes’ past experience would set him off any better than McClaren. At this stage, I’d see moving for Moyes as a positive-but-completely-unnecessary move by the club.

  • 17 Jail for Ashley // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:16 PM

    So Jib I’ll ask again since you’re obviously about, how many 12th place finishes and miserable cup runs should Mclaren deliver after being given a top eight target before being replaced with somebody who can ?

  • 18 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:16 PM

    Jib ha ha you are funny. Underwear safe, though 🙂

  • 19 Jib // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:17 PM

    Mr Tuff pinches a link off my post admitting my gaffe – what a tool 🙂

  • 20 Jail for Ashley // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:33 PM

    Jib ?

  • 21 dok - the horrid colonial // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:37 PM

    JfA,

    question… would you be satisfied with a 12th place finish this year only?

  • 22 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    Tbf Mr T Ray did throw his hands up for that one. Pretty much a first as far as I can recall so fair play.

  • 23 MadisonToon // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:42 PM

    I’m off but I’ll answer the posed question anyway:

    15th place I’d be disgusted.

    12th place I’d be disappointed but not distraught.

    10th place I’d be satisfied.

    Anything above, I’d know we outperformed.

  • 24 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:42 PM

    He he it was a classic googleballs though 😀

  • 25 Jail for Ashley // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:44 PM

    dok,
    This year, will have to be really, can’t expect him to turn it around after one year and after the start we’ve had I’d take your hand off for twelth. If Mashers comes good and spends 50M each window in January and the summer with no outgoings ???? then less than eighth will not be acceptable, something tells me he won’t and 12th will be.

  • 26 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:46 PM

    The question is too narrow to answer. If we got to 10 th with the current setup and with the SD policy firmly cemented into position and all set for another meagre year of horse trading and sock-darning No. I would be depressed at the thought of another treadmill season coming.

  • 27 Jail for Ashley // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:46 PM

    Typical Jibberish,
    Throws in an argumentive comment with absolutely nothing to back it up with, absolutely thoughtless individual.

  • 28 Jib // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:48 PM

    Tsunki
    I’d seen the vid on instagram of Perez training on his own in Tenerife last week – so I investigated further – added 2 to 2 and got 5 !!!

    I wouldn’t care I hesitated to post it in case I got the kid in bother with the club – Doh.

    Double Doh 🙁

  • 29 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    So will Ayoze Wanyama, Bournemouth legend and marathon runner, be turning his multi talented hand to the sailing sports with a race through the Solent, the River that Never Was? Or will he stick to his football roots and sign for Spanish giants Real Valllllllecano? Keep up to date with Google!

  • 30 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:52 PM

    OK Jib you’re making me feel guilty now fair enough I’ll let it lie.

    Until the next time, my friend HAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAA!

    ( evil laugh, there)

  • 31 dok - the horrid colonial // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:53 PM

    tsunki,

    ok, 12th this season, with the two windows to strengthen, jan and july… then if we do keep adding quality, not quantity to the club,… will expectations then be for next season top 6? will that be satisfactory?

  • 32 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:54 PM

    Jib I can see where the psychology lies I bet you had Jonas in mind running charity races during his recuperation period.

  • 33 dok - the horrid colonial // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:55 PM

    I personally think 12th will be decent… but MA
    need to prove his words by investing in the quality like we did in the summer…

  • 34 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 5:58 PM

    Dok, you utterly horrid colonial you – pressing me for an opinion eh? Dastardly sorts, these chaps. Absolute shower of cads…

    Hmm well that’s my point I suppose, you have to be witnessing a sea change in the entrenched policy. If I saw genuine shift to a more purposeful and sporting ambition, I would take any progress virtually regardless of speed. I just remain unconvinced it’s going to happen.

  • 35 TroubledToon // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    Plz not Moyes.. He’s no better than anyone we’ve had recently and we’ll probably continue to drown in our mediocrity if he comes on board

  • 36 cyprus // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    If it were only money, we should be finishing in the top ten…

    The number in brackets is team rank average pay in ANY sport.

    1. Manchester City: £96,445 (3rd overall)

    2. Manchester United: £89,988 (6th)

    3. Chelsea: £83,713 (8th)

    4. Arsenal: £77,963 (10th)

    5. Liverpool: £67,486 (14th)

    6. Tottenham: £54,077 (30th)

    7. Aston Villa: £34,815 (80th)

    8. Newcastle: £32,223 (87th)

    9. Everton: £31,447 (90th)

    10. Sunderland: £31,078 (94th)

    So, it’s not just about stingy owners, as seems the most popular culprit among fans. One must look at recruitment and team building too.

  • 37 dok - the horrid colonial // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:02 PM

    tsunki,

    with the last what, 5 seasons, its been policy to not spend, upgrade and buy for future sell… I see why youd be unconvinced….

    if we spend 50m on quality in January, how does that affect your outlook of the club?

  • 38 Ibizatoon // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    The topic of targets does interest me, especially when it comes to assessing whether you think anything has really changed at the club.

    I wont speak for anyone else, but one of my gripes has been accountability. We never hear what they think went wrong, or who was responsible or what they’re actually going to do differently.

    Again we appear to be setting off on an adventure, one we’re expected to have faith in, and we’re sat here guessing what the club wants to achieve and when by.

    Until the constant air of confusion is removed, I’ll struggle to believe we’ve turned any significant corners. I still find it incredible how they can recognise the importance of the fans, yet not do more to bring them onside.

    Again, only speaking for me. I know some are impressed with the clubs new and improved communication. I still think it lacks any substance.

  • 39 dok - the horrid colonial // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:05 PM

    Cyprus ,

    that’s my point, I can spend 50m on willo to come back, doesn’t mean its a quality buy… we all know we need a cb or two, a str and possibly a keeper now… guess im curious to what certain posters would be sayisfied with…

  • 40 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:12 PM

    Dok it would affect it greatly, as I’d be genuinely gobsmacked not only if we spent it but I also have no idea what we’d be spending it on in January. I’d put that down as a bit fanciful, however I think there are a couple of key positions to fill in January to keep us in the league, so I would expect any owner who seriously wants us to make our own luck, start his horse-bolting by spending at least a decent amount in January. Anything less will be a typical Ashley gamble on current stock keeping us afloat.

  • 41 cyprus // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:12 PM

    Dok,
    I get it. The point with fans – me too though I do try not to, is that they get entrenched behind positions and find it hard to backtrack.
    I’m one of the longest ‘serving’ posters and I can’t remember too many saying, wow, that’s a good argument there, maybe I was talking bxxxxxxt after all 🙂

  • 42 Ibizatoon // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:13 PM

    Cyprus…What are those figures? Average wages?

  • 43 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:13 PM

    Ibiza, I agree, the communication is a placatory tool and little more. it’s a gesture, and little more. Having said that…baby steps…

  • 44 cyprus // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:15 PM

    That’s why I never try to convince anyone here. I read people’s points with respect, agree or disagree, say why, move on.
    Always (if possible) with good will.

  • 45 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:15 PM

    Cyprus I did once…oh oh…forgot Jeff was still here….

  • 46 cyprus // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:16 PM

    Ibiza,
    yep

  • 47 Mister Tuff // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:18 PM

    Jib had no option but to put his hands up immediately and throw himself upon the mercy of baying crowd (or fans who know who Perez is).
    He wasn’t just caught with his pants down but I would guess also his knickers and suspender belt.
    Again the dangers of Google searches without any other knowledge about the Toon.
    A good gaffelaugh though.

  • 48 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:18 PM

    Here’s a question then – what would all those fans who truly believe that Ashley is delivering in his video promise think if we are still averaging a point every three games and we buy nothing, perhaps only sell a useful player, in January? Will there be any public epiphany then?

  • 49 cyprus // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:18 PM

    Dok,
    How did you get interested in soccer? If I may ask

  • 50 dok - the horrid colonial // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:20 PM

    now, understanding im not tyneside, and not from there, which makes my line of questioning a bit less important:

    optimist side of me says, MA spent and said he will again, to get us a cup…

    pessimist side says, MA is full of manure… guess well find out…

    Cyprus, having felt honoured (note my adaptability to spelling properly for you :), I think its difficult to admit wrong, or perhaps a change of opinion on here, as certains are quick to jump all over it… perhaps MA will prove us all wrong, ad I for one will be more than happy to change a tune when we lift a cup…

  • 51 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:23 PM

    Mr T perhaps,we could credit Jeff with providing a Public Warning service, “The Dangers of Assumption Googling” – all you young hip daddy-o’s wanting to look cool and ‘ on the scene’ and trying not to ‘ be square’ in this modern age had ought to watch out for the dreadful terrors of errant Googling. Keep those fingers in those mittens you youths of today! Don’t get caught with your pants down and your search engine still running!

  • 52 dok - the horrid colonial // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:24 PM

    Cyprus,

    growing up, I always watched the ny cosmos, and enjoyed it… when I was in high school, one of my best friends (mates to you :p) was a keeper, and I watched him every game I could… it grew from there… needless to say, 30+ yrs, im addicted to it…

  • 53 cyprus // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:24 PM

    I find that soccer fans, even when organised are generally a motley crue, whereas US sports fans tend to be more organised, even disciplined, not sure you agree.

    Not sure how this can be explained sociologically.

  • 54 Ibizatoon // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:25 PM

    Cyprus…Before jumping on to wages, you’ve hit on something…”That’s why I never try to convince anyone here” – But what about lively debate? I do agree that at times it goes too far, and in some instances it’s completely pointless, but if we’re not going to challenge each others ideas etc, what exactly is the point?

    Anyway, wages…I think most people already know it’s not just a case of money. Personally, there is a part of me that loves the idea of breaking the mold and bringing success without throwing obsene money at it, but that’s another matter. But as you mentioned stingy owners, what jumps out at me is Spurs. They are a team that were on “our level” around the time Ashley arrived.

    As for recruitment and team building, are you serious? Those are 2 fundamental problems people have with Ashleys reign at NUFC. It’s what they are looking at.

    Tsunki…Baby steps, more of a slight shuffle.

  • 55 dok - the horrid colonial // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:26 PM

    I believe my fascination started was when I realized how skillful you needed to be to play it, and being that I had no talent, (not that I ever tried, I grew up playing hockey), it amazed me…

  • 56 cyprus // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:26 PM

    Cool,
    But there is a wave now, right? It’s not a ahem sissy sport anymore? Do the guys get it 🙂

  • 57 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:28 PM

    Dok – it may interest you to know I drove off the pavement once, got out onto the sidewalk and into JC Penney to get a Storm Cape for my kids’ stroller, some diapers and a pacifier, got back to my car and threw the whole lot into the trunk before driving off through the Turnpike.

  • 58 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:28 PM

    Thru. Fail.

  • 59 dok - the horrid colonial // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:29 PM

    Cyprus,

    maybe its not sociologically, could it be regionally? US is quite a large country, whereas England, is rather small… example, I chuckle when ppl say, oh its a 3hr bus ride to bournesmouth or something ( maybe not the best example), but a three hour trip from where I live, wouldn’t get you outside the state…

    each region here is vastly different, with differing ethnic backgrounds and climates, so maybe its geographical in nature too?

  • 60 cyprus // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:30 PM

    Ibiza
    I’m all for that first paragraph, don’t get me wrong mate

  • 61 Ibizatoon // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:35 PM

    Cyprus…I’ll go in to explanation overload to ensure you don’t think I was having a go there 🙂

    It’s something I do struggle with on here. It appears that it’s only acceptable to say “yeah mate, I agree” or “I disagree, we’ll see” or people get offended and such. Madness.

    Anyway, got any follow up on the rest of the post, you know, the Newcastle United bit? 🙂

  • 62 cyprus // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:36 PM

    Maybe,
    I was just so surprised how ‘rehearsed’ it all seemed with fans (e.g. ‘offense, offense’, ‘clap, clap’). Not disapproving, just wondering… It’s not like the US is less dangerous out on the streets. Seemed like all the vitriol and violence was left out the stadia, whereas here (e.g. UK, Cyprus and you don’t want to know about other countries) it walked right in..

  • 63 dok - the horrid colonial // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:36 PM

    the soccer community here stateside is diehard, but small compared to Europe… like iv stated in the past, for me to watch NUFC, I have to be up at 500am at times… but I do not miss a match, unless my son has a match, then ill tape it…

    a lot of ppl put their kids into an academy here, some to get them from underfoot for a few hours, others are former players who want their kids to play, and some are like me, who just love the game, in all its varieties and styles, and I do see it as a growing force here… I try to explain it the the uneducated here this way: ” ppl who follow baseball know who Derek jeter, or in “American football;, know who tom brady is… these sports are nationally known… but ask who beckham, maradona, shearer are.. they are known globally, because the world plays soccer..

    plus, my son lives, breathes and plays soccer… I did ask if he wanted to try a different sport, see if he was into anything else, his words, ” daddy, I love soccer, im good at it, I want to ge tbetter, and its all I want to ever play”… that was when he was 6… hasn’t changed his tune once…

  • 64 dok - the horrid colonial // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:40 PM

    not to ramble, he asked me last week what id do if he were signed by manure or sunderland, all I could say is, ‘ I love you no matter the shirt, but I’ll never wear one of those two…”

  • 65 cyprus // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:42 PM

    Ibiza,
    Will get to your other point. To also clarify. I’m the guy who wears my team’s shirt at a hostile pub and cheers when we score, I’m passionate about my footy.

    Of course you can challenge others. Get in.

    But have you actually convinced anyone here about anything? The nice thing about football is we’re all experts 🙂

  • 66 Ibizatoon // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:49 PM

    Cyprus…Convince anyone of anything?

    I’m not trying to convince, but discuss varying viewpoints. What I will say is that others have educated me and led me to re-think things along the way.

    Some things will of course just come down to personal opinion, there isn’t really a debate to be had. It just seems, to me, that due to some people not getting on, and with so many variables at the club, there is almost a zero tolerance to debate on here.

    I don’t get peoples resistance to the idea. Well, I do, I just don’t like the conclusion I come to.

  • 67 jane // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:50 PM

    “Why play if he is not 100% fit and maybe miss out on the record?

    Leicester’s next match after Newcastle is a live match at home to Man Utd so it might be a bit more attractive to break the record then instead of away to Swansea the following week if he can score against Newcastle.

  • 68 cyprus // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:52 PM

    Ibiza,
    To your points. Let me see if I can convince you 😉
    I’m guessing you are a bit of a romantic; it is about money, at least these days. Some teams handle their money better, and over-perform, if for a season or two, but eventually it all settles on the how much.

    Given those numbers, I’m confident we should be about 8th.

    Money brings football success. Ask Chelsea and ex-losers, City etc. etc. But, it doesn’t guarantee it. Therein lies the problem. And Ashley’s (and your) frustration. See you have something in common 🙂

  • 69 cyprus // Nov 18, 2015 at 6:58 PM

    Jane,
    Be assured he’s playing

  • 70 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 7:03 PM

    Dok – I wasn’t being offensive I actually did those things btw ha ha it was in Florida and I had a steep learning curve trying to find those things with the right terminology for my two year old before moving on to find our rental place.

  • 71 Ibizatoon // Nov 18, 2015 at 7:03 PM

    Cyprus…I am pleased you received the flowers 🙂

    I’m not following what you’re trying to convince me, so we might have to try again.

    Surely, using the wages table since Ashleys arrival shows that money isn’t everything and it doesn’t even itself out. I’d guess without checking that we’ve been in the top 10 for wages throughout his tenure (?), has that averaged out?

    PL football is definitely about money, no argument here.

    I’m not asking Ashley to make us in to PL contenders. I am a bit of a romantic, and don’t mind being the underdog at all, mind, that is easier when the ethos of the club weren’t quite so crass.

    I used Spurs as a business / success comparative. I really have little clue about their ethos, so am not drawing any parallels there.

    They are an established top 10 team, not one of the big boys, who push themselves to mix it up with said big boys and seek the ‘lesser’ rewards such as domestic cups or EL. I don’t think it’s an unreasonable target, it is where we were, and what our wages suggest we should be aiming for. We haven’t been and so far aren’t.

  • 72 Ibizatoon // Nov 18, 2015 at 7:04 PM

    Cyprus…Popping out for a bit. Will check back later.

  • 73 dok - the horrid colonial // Nov 18, 2015 at 7:14 PM

    tsunki,

    I totally missed that post… lol

  • 74 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 7:33 PM

    Dok – phew! 🙂

  • 75 Bobbybee // Nov 18, 2015 at 7:36 PM

    Jail, missed your post, had to lie down. No, there’s no way Macca will get the sack. There’s a plan in place and that runs for the term of his contract – three years with a possible extension. I presume the extension is dependable on him winning something. The 25 max squad is proving a problem, because of the wages average players are on. If we shift some, we’ll strengthen in January. Willo looks happy at Wolves so there’s one place opened up i reckon. Next summer many run out anyway, so we can finish the rebuild then. After that, he has to deliver, but until then I can’t see him getting the boot. No chance almost.

  • 76 dok - the horrid colonial // Nov 18, 2015 at 7:38 PM

    take salo tmore than that to offend me lad 🙂

  • 77 dok - the horrid colonial // Nov 18, 2015 at 7:38 PM

    and apparently a lot more to type properly

  • 78 Bobbybee // Nov 18, 2015 at 7:55 PM

    Think I’ll watch Bradford v Aldershot. It’s football afer all. 😉

  • 79 Tsunki // Nov 18, 2015 at 7:55 PM

    Indeed.

  • 80 Toon Tang // Nov 18, 2015 at 8:56 PM

    I’ve no idea calling this game, but will be a tough one regardless of whether Vardy plays or not. Leicester have bags of pace on the counter and we have a slow mid and central defence.

    Just get the ball up to the front 4 and see how it goes eh..

  • 81 Toon Tang // Nov 18, 2015 at 8:58 PM

    Our counter has looked better and more rapid since Gini arrived though, I’m hoping he doesn’t go missing again.

  • 82 Jail for Ashley // Nov 18, 2015 at 9:30 PM

    I’m not Mclarens biggest fan for a few different reasons but I think most people would think it unfair if he were to be sacked for finishing twelfth this season and let’s face it, even if he scrapes 17th, he’s not going anywhere. But seeing as the wizened Jib thinks he should never be sacked and won’t give reason, how long do people think he should have to achieve this supposed target of eighth and a cup before being booted out and a manager who can be brought in, or do we just put up with Mike Ashley and his mediocre managers until he’s finally had enough ?

  • 83 Jail for Ashley // Nov 18, 2015 at 9:31 PM

    One hour between 17 and 18 :O

  • 84 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Nov 18, 2015 at 9:57 PM

    @Jail For Ashley

    You should ask this question after the next 4 games because there is a real prospect we could end up with 0 points

    We struggle with hard working teams with pacey players and the next 4 teams will out work us unless our players seriously change their attitudes !

  • 85 JAMSHA // Nov 18, 2015 at 10:51 PM

    New York On High Alert After ISIS Claim Its Nxt

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  • 87 dok - the horrid colonial // Nov 18, 2015 at 11:02 PM

    ty jamsha

  • 88 andrew84 // Nov 18, 2015 at 11:23 PM

    JfA

    As a regular reader (although only a rare actual contributor to the blog) I often see Jib’s posts, which he usually puts across in a ‘I know best’ sort of way. Nothing wrong with that obviously, it’s just it leaves people like me hanging on to see his actual reasoning behind his opinions (copied from Google or otherwise)….

    I’m amused that Jib usually is one of the first people to jump down other people’s throats if they don’t instantly provide the evidence for their opinions, yet now he’s gone all shy when you ask him to back up his opinion that McLaren deserves free reign to stay in the job long term if he fails to hit his targets over and over again. I’d like to know what he bases this on myself.

    Over to you Jib 🙂

  • 89 jimmysmith // Nov 18, 2015 at 11:44 PM

    I think if the money is spent McC seems to think will be, then you would expect he has the terms of his contract to deliver a side that plays decent football and is legit top eight. So that’s three seasons, and where a cup would be seen as a bonus.

    I think it’s very much most likely a success to cash spent equation, and that if Ashley spends, McC will be expected to deliver..

    Ashley has sacked his share of Newcastle managers, despite wanting to show and receive loyalty, but at the end of the day, he knows the value of a quid, and so likely will give him plenty of rope but not an endless supply of it.

    3 years would be my bet, and that’s probably all he has with the fans too.

  • 90 jimmysmith // Nov 18, 2015 at 11:48 PM

    ……….although if the money doesn’t materialise, i’d hope and expect the fans to give Ashley less.

  • 91 jimmysmith // Nov 19, 2015 at 12:22 AM

    I think Toney was bought now, because they felt they wouldn’t get him later if he blossoms. And so it makes perfect sense to bring him in, take a look at him, and then send him out to continue to develop his game if he isn’t ready to contribute.

    From what I’ve seen though, he’s not likely to develop into a genuine top 8 player, so from that perspective you might question the merit of buying him in the first place.

  • 92 Bobbybee // Nov 19, 2015 at 1:13 AM

    That said Jimmy, 300k ain’t a massive gamble is it, not in current terms anyway. If he doesn’t work, I reckon getting our money back on him is a safe bet. Nice to see Arma getting a full page in the England v France programme the other night, with his goals ratio being highlighted. Joe Cole was comparing him to Aguero, but I’m sure he meant Aguero when he was Arma’s age and not the current one!

  • 93 jimmysmith // Nov 19, 2015 at 1:20 AM

    The Delle Alli Toney comparison is very interesting. It would appear encapsulate the problems associated with our recruitment policy. Obviously Delle Alle is the more promising player, and Spurs the more naturally attractive destination for him, and Newcastle not willing to offer more to get him, despite doing the initial spadework. You don’t need to be Brains Benton to realise catching and usurping the likes of Spurs and Liverpool is a long bow, unless fairly significant changes of policy are being made.

  • 94 jimmysmith // Nov 19, 2015 at 1:31 AM

    300k Bobby. I didn’t realise it was so low. Yeah, we’ll most likely make money then regardless, but when you populate the club with if’s and but’s and maybe’s, and shadow players, and too few of genuine and consistent quality, then you won’t realistically be a top 8 side, I suppose. I see changes in policy, but it remains to be seen if they are prepared to go far enough.

  • 95 Bobbybee // Nov 19, 2015 at 2:07 AM

    Jimmy, the only way we’ll find out is wait and see. I had nothing but contempt for Ashley for years, but if he can genuinely change and follow through on this first installment, then I can change my view just as easily. It’s all about success. Too many don’t want him to succeed because of his past failures, but that means not wanting Newcastle to succeed and I can’t go with that. I genuinely don’t care if he’s the one to win us a domestic trophy, as long as we win something. Like your good self, I’ve been going my whole life and yet to see us win anything on the domestic front. I’ll never be best buddies with Ashley, but if he means what he says and puts his money where his mouth is, then why would I continue to hate the man? There’s been visible changes and all for the better this season. It won’t happen overnight, it will take time, but now he’s finally putting money into the playing side of the club, I don’t want him out. As proven with Pardew, change doesn’t guarantee success. All I’ve ever wanted is to see my club win something and if it’s under Ashley, I really couldn’t care less.

  • 96 jimmysmith // Nov 19, 2015 at 2:16 AM

    Agreed Bobby, but I’ve never been entirely anti Ashley, or even particularly close, despite being highly critical of him from time to time.

    I do think he consistently fails to do enough though, and of course it’s hard to know exactly why, although I suspect it’s because he is reluctant to take more than a strictly calculated risk in the high stakes business of the EPL.

  • 97 Bobbybee // Nov 19, 2015 at 2:32 AM

    Which would explain why he’s stepping back from the footballing side of the club. The last thing I expected was to see Ashley accept full responsibility for past failures and say the buck stops with him. He does want value for money though and let’s be fair, that’s how he made his billions. I think Macca has got us playing much better football, but remain to be convinced with Carr and Charnley. Why the relentless pursuit of Thauvin, when he doesn’t look like a player worth half what we paid for him? Charnley needs to learn that the best don’t come cheap as well. Thauvin might come good and I hope he does, but the other three were good buys, no question. Macca needs the final say on who we buy, because it’s his neck if we fail. Imo, all managers/head coaches should have the final say, not the money men or head scout. I’m still unsure what role Bob Moncur plays on the board. The first thing needed is to restore the singing section and make it a hostile ground again. Visiting teams have it far too easy with no proper singing section. I wish those at the FF would raise the question and keep pushing it.

  • 98 Bobbybee // Nov 19, 2015 at 2:35 AM

    Sadly jimmy, i can’t sit up any longer, my back simply won’t allow it. I look forward to continuing this conversation at some time in the near future. Good night marra.

  • 99 jimmysmith // Nov 19, 2015 at 3:18 AM

    Night Bobby.

  • 100 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2015 at 6:18 AM

    I also think that some of you need to accept that the likes of Delle Alli are going to decline clubs like Newcastle for the likes of Spurs if they have any football brain…

    …money is not really the issue here.

    My concern is why we make all the groundwork in the first place for players such as Dier and Alli when clearly we not going to go all the way!

    What point are they trying to make here?

    I am never going to understand why we sign the likes of Bigi and Toney in the first place. They are such a long shot and we have proved on countless of times that we cannot bring these players through…maybe down to shear ignorance on how to!

    And good morning to all of you 😉

  • 101 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2015 at 6:24 AM

    Bobbybee,
    That’s where people like you are wrong, people would lije nothing more than to have success under Ashley, the reason eight years of ill feeling has built up is not because he hasn’t delivered a trophy but because he hasn’t wanted to. The only people in the public eye who say he’s desperate for success are on his pay roll.

  • 102 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2015 at 6:27 AM

    Jesper,
    I don’t know the full story of why we never got Alle so I’m not going to be too harsh, if it was a simple choice for him to live half an hour from the training ground at a, lets face it, in this point of time a bigger club then it’s a no brainer.

  • 103 mindshaft // Nov 19, 2015 at 7:14 AM

    doubt we’ll spend 50 million in Jan, players are extremely difficult to get over the line and Charnley won’t pay over the odds – if we’re in bottom three there is a chance he’ll loosen purse strings but think McClaren means three summer transfer windows ( which just happens to be the length of his contract )

  • 104 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 19, 2015 at 7:17 AM

    If the controllable elements of a deal are equal, then I have no problem with a player deciding on somewhere else. You go with what suits you best personally, there are all sorts of factors involved in making the decision. We all make decisions on a regular basis that are what we think is best for ourselves and families/loved ones.

    We tracked Alli for a long time. We were first linked with speaking to MK Dons regarding his availability 8 or 9 months before he joined Spurs. I’m sure Liverpool fans feel the same, as they were heavily linked with him for a while as well. We balked at the fee quoted when we first spoke to them, he went for a similar price to Spurs. It is a decent wedge of cash for a youngster, but to get top young players you have to pay big money.

    Spending that sort of none on an 18year old is a gamble, but it has better chances then spending a million here and there on other less costly gambles. Alli, if he were to be sold over the next 8 months, would probably command a value greater than any player currently in our squad.

    Yes, Alli would have been a gamble, but no more so than bringing in some of the average level foreign lads we sign – Alli cost less than Anita for example. Or De Jong as well, although a difficult run of injuries have played a large part here.

    Anyway, Alli is gone the same way Aaron Ramsay did a number of years back. Hopefully lessons have now been learned at the club and will be corrected moving forward. I won’t be holding my breath mind.

  • 105 Lilongwe Geordie // Nov 19, 2015 at 7:19 AM

    mindshaft,
    I’d like a minimum of 2 in Jan, think we need three and expect to get 1. The club have said in the past the Jan window isn’t a window they like to deal in if they don’t have to. I think the main idea for the three window plan is the three summer windows of McClarens contract, with minor changes in Jan if they fit the financial model and are needed.

  • 106 firebug666 // Nov 19, 2015 at 7:35 AM

    Newcastle United Entertainers documentary – here’s your chance to take a first look

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-entertainers-documentary-heres-10465229?

  • 107 Mister Tuff // Nov 19, 2015 at 7:55 AM

    The three window plan is clearly three windows and NOT three years. It means last summer, January and next summer.
    Quote from Wally :-
    “I have came in and looked at the plan and looked at the calibre of players (targets) and said ‘Wow!’ We’ve expressed our objectives. Mike Ashley said; ‘Go on, fulfil it’.

    “We have talked a lot about the next three windows being huge, massive, for us. In a year’s time, after our third transfer window, we should have a damn good team, that’s purely because we are looking at players above a certain bracket.”

    Reference to “a years time” encapsulates consecutive windows NOT consecutive summer windows. Wallys got a three and a bit years contract – he’s not wanting to have a decent first eleven six months before his contract is up.

    I therefore think it’s clear there will be millions spent in January.

  • 108 martoon // Nov 19, 2015 at 7:59 AM

    Lilongwe – The thing is to every Alli there are probably about 4 or 5 flops and Spurs have had a few of them recently. Although as fans we don’t like it you can kind of see why NUFC are reluctant to splash out big money on youngsters.
    Also as Jail said earlier in Alli’s case it was probably personal reasons why he went to Spurs.

  • 109 The overrated Frenchman // Nov 19, 2015 at 8:51 AM

    I see home crowd attendances are down on last season. Presumably McLaren’s exciting brand of football just doesn’t resonate with fans like that of Pardew and Carver’s “entertainers”.




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