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An Appalling Display And An Abysmal Record

9:06 pm, Saturday, November 21st, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 113 Comments

Usually there are positives to take out of the game, but today there were very few positives to take out of the game – we guess we could say the result could have been 5-0 with Leicester missing some chances and easing off – but other than that – nothing.

Absolutely nothing.

It was an appalling display from Newcastle and when you look at our record in the league this season that´s abysmal too.

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Steve McClaren and Paul Simpson

Here´s our league record this season.

Premier LeaguePlayedWonDrawnLostGFGAGDPoints

Steve McClaren agrees the display today – especially in the second half – was appalling as he had this to say after the game:

“It was the worst performance we’ve had this season, very disappointing,” “And off the back of what has been a very good run.”

“We’ve had a big setback today, but that wasn’t us, that was nowhere near good enough, and all we can do is lick our wounds and work hard and make sure we’re better next week.”

The results of only 10 points in 13 games suggests that performance today was us – since the display was consistent with that record.

And we don´t know why it is taking Steve McClaren and his coaching staff this length of time to get Newcastle going.

Yes – he is a new coach with a new coaching staff – and we have some new players in the team – but there are a number of other  managers in the Premier League who came in last summer and they are doing well this season.

One of them is Claudio Ranieri whose Leicester City team – after they tore us apart today – are at the top of the Premier League.

Arsenal lost 2-1 at West Brom and Liverpool dismantled Manchester City 4-1 at the Etihad.

And another new manager – Jurgen Klopp is already having an immediate impact at Anfield and his players are playing like men possessed – they certainly played like that today.

After our game at Crystal Palace next week there is a big test against Liverpool at home and we don´t fancy our chances in that game if the Reds play like they played  today at the Etihad.

But maybe our players will decide to turn up for that game with Liverpool being such a famous club.

Quique Sanchez Flores of Watford is another manager who has come in and is getting the best out of his players at the Hornets.

We´ll not even mention Alan Pardew who has completely  transformed Crystal Palace as soon as he arrived at the London club in early January.

And Mike Ashley has to be asking himself exactly what he got for the £53M Newcastle invested in the summer.

The team and players are letting the fans down this season but those at the top – the Newcastle Board and the owner are doing no better – and they have hardly covered themselves in glory with their decisions this year.

And make no mistake – this year´s results are the worst in the history of the club.

The way the club is being run has never worked in the eight years Mike Ashley has been the owner – we have finished in the top ten only twice and been relegated once.

But we are not changing anything in the way the club is run – and doing the same old things – and we are expecting better results?

There´s something very wrong with Newcastle United – and if we don´t correct things soon we´ll be a Championship club next season.

Yes – we are trying to be patient but a big turnaround has to come – and soon  – and we´ll have to spend some really big bucks in January to improve the squad.

This article is not meant to be overly negative – it´s just the facts and the results that are negative.

Tags: Coaching · Management · Newcastle News · Premier League

113 responses so far ↓

  • 1 G // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:10 PM

    Time to foxtrot oscar Macca. I would love to say its been nice, but that would be a lie

  • 2 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:12 PM

    We´ll not even mention Alan Pardew who has completely  transformed Crystal Palace as soon as he arrived at the London club in early January.

    Naughty, naughty, Ed! That’s a cheap shot of controversy in the blogs rosy behind. Tsk tsk tsk.

  • 3 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:13 PM

    manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:10 PM

    wats the bets then on pardew beating sunderland and us!!!within a week

    that can actually happen jesus christ!!

    tsunki you say that but wat has changed?

    its now mcclaren that gets stick infact so much so that you see the words “ive given him the chance”!

    so wat was the point of pardew going again?

  • 4 G // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:15 PM

    When the only person motivating your team is your 3rd tier keeper, and your captain is one of the worst offenders for lack of movement, then you realise the problem is the coach. Dont let the door hit your backside on the way out Steve.

  • 5 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:16 PM

    Can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Give McLaren some of the players Pardew got before hanging him by his ankles.

  • 6 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:17 PM

    Go on tell me the manager who will get this sorry excuse of a club working. I’ll wait.

  • 7 G // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:18 PM

    @5 why? He can’t even get them to create space or run, he’s already outstayed his welcome.

  • 8 G // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:18 PM


  • 9 Shot Bru // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:19 PM


    I wish the inept Schteve would disappear and take his corporate waffle with him.

    Unfortunately the boys club is here to stay.

    If, and it’s a big if, we avoid the drop, the excuse will be the Wally needed a season to sort us out.

    When we get relegated, the Wally will be regarded as the best man to get us back to the EPL.

    The malaise at the club is incredible.

    Ashley Oot
    Wally Oot
    Old Man Carr Oot
    Hanger on Moncur Oot

  • 10 G // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:20 PM

    Agreed SB

  • 11 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:25 PM

    No point in moving SM out, the point has been ilustrated, Pardew was a willing incompetent subordinate, McLaren is the next one in. The problem is of course right at the top. Whoever you move out will be replaced like for like. This is your life.

  • 12 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:27 PM

    tsunki you said the first thing that needed to happen was that pardew left and you and everyone was right in saying so !
    wats changed seriously?

  • 13 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:27 PM

    Dyche? Guarantee?

  • 14 Our Toon // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:28 PM

    Isn’t it time to employ a foreign coach? Not being funny but modern British managers have no clue!! It’s no surprise the new managers of this season are all out performing mcclaren and they are all foreigners!!

  • 15 angelswithdirtyfaces // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:29 PM

    However good a coach Macca may or may not be, he is certainly not capable of motivating the players with so many dire no-show performances so far under his leadership. Ranieri definitely seems to have that gift – though he is not blessed with a squad that is obviously 15 places better than ours technically.

    Our performance continued from where we left off at Bournemouth but without the luck we didn’t deserve then ….. or now.

  • 16 colwell // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:30 PM

    Some how we have managed to spend a lot of money on shite, we have never been blessed with spending much and when we get the chance Carr fcuks it right up. Sorry but the shite he brings in far out weighs the gems he needs to be fcuked off before McClaren.

    Teams don’t like mass dealings but if and its a massive IF now we actually stay up we need to sell at least 70% of the squad its so poor and rebuild fcuk the time it takes players to gel no way can they be worse then now.

  • 17 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:31 PM

    Manxpie no idea what your question is

  • 18 Munster Mag // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:32 PM

    Tsunki, its a brave call to hold on to SMC, fair play to you. We are almost in agreement . So i wont call you a stupid bollocks like some of the anti pardew obsessives on here. I agree that he deserved the boot, some time ago. But I thunk if Carr didnt have the ego he has, he might have got Pardew better players when we got 5th. Instead he went and did a typical Carr move – bought a flimsy bloke like Anita a luxury rather than a necessity, instead of a big centre half and some fast unit of a stiker. Sure look, the club is poisoned all over. I do think Ashley is improving, if only because of the preniership windfall he could lose, and I hope Carr is axed unless he starts dropping his wet dreams re the Thauvins, Marveaux and Cabellas of this world.

  • 19 toon kk // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:32 PM

    Most of the players aren’t good enough and never will be. We badly lack pace.
    The poor scouting of buy to sell regime hasn’t worked.
    it wouldn’t make any difference who our manager was with our current flops.

  • 20 lochinvar // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:33 PM

    9 points off Palace in 10th and that’s 12 if they rip us apart.
    Mclaren has no place to hide. He’s as inspiring as a wet mackerel.
    The players have no interest, it’s not even funny it’s an insult.

    The tactics are inept, how does it go.
    McLaren ” Footballs a game of two halves. In the first half I want you to pass sideways and backwards and try to keep the ball if you possibly can. Then in the second half just do the same. If they don’t score we’re on for a point. Jobs a good un. Isn’t it ?”

    Leicester fed their 3,000 fans before they travelled . Newcastle failed to offer a cup of tea to visiting press.

    Ashley has no class, no idea, no plan. It’s shameful and embossing .
    The club has been sterilised.

  • 21 thejokethatisnufc // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:34 PM

    What a joke our club is

  • 22 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:36 PM

    The poison is this. Ashley has prescribed a thrift model that maximises profit. Carr and Charnley happily work to this remit, both compromising with each other over how much to spend and what quality is affordable. The result is a compromised squad that treads water in the league whilst St and shirt sales remain buoyant, and TV revenue rolls in in increasing amounts.

    Ashley Out, Charnley / Carr asset acquisition department Out.

  • 23 lochinvar // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:37 PM

    And the rest

  • 24 banjax // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:38 PM

    So how long will Ashley allow this debacle continue. We’ve been told by all and sundry at the club that they are improving. Little pearls like ..’judge me after 9 games..’ We’ve had all this guff only to see a team which leaks goals as bad as ever and players who could’nt give a toss. We are all wasting our money turning out on match days because the players don’t. We need to see sackings and radical personnel surgery performed at the club. The current team are an embarrassing bunch of slackers for whom the Sunday league would be too good. Time for change and no more acceptance of failure because we are sleepwalking to relegation !

  • 25 jimiley // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:39 PM

    I think thats FOUR wins all year for Steve. Hmmmm. Problems, problems. Blind faith indeed.

  • 26 G // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:39 PM

    Tsunki, there are never guarantees in managers, but he would at least make sure the buggers work for their pay. What I witnessed today was at least 10 players who couldn’t be bothered, and that is unacceptable.

  • 27 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:40 PM

    tsunki you said tonight without doubt pardew needed to go,
    for wat reason? after knowing all the changes and not any changes why are you still stating that?

  • 28 BandB // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:41 PM

    I had hoped that £50m worth of new players might put a million volts through the rotting, stitched together Frankenstein’s monster that was our squad last season.
    The danger always was that it wouldn’t be enough in the way of fresh moving parts to keep the clapped out Monster trundling on from week to week.
    I feared that the new parts would become infected and pestilent before January, when a few more fresh parts MIGHT be stitched on.
    Sadly, I’ve seen signs of gangrene in all the new parts in recent weeks. They have been dragged down, unable to keep the bloated mess buoyant. Which has been the fate of all our to little too late signings for years. Worrying signs of couldn’t care less are on show already.
    I don’t see much hope of two or three buys in January making all the difference.
    Anyone seriously still think we are just a couple of signings from being a top eight outfit?

  • 29 yorkymag // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:42 PM

    We have spent £50 m in one window on absolute shite hardly a thrift model
    Simple incompetence from a poor scout ,a better manager would definitely help but you can’t make a silk purse…….

  • 30 VanBasten // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:42 PM

    What a lacklustre performance by the lads!!!! After watching el Clasico and Barcelona trash Real Madrid away, arguably the best club team of all time. It’s evident that Newcastle’s team lack 3 big things: COMMITMENT / PASSION, SKILLS AND MOVEMENT.

    Commitment / Passion – No desire outrun their opponents, win challenges & put their bodies on the line, basically give 100%

    Guilty of this today: Sissoko, Wijnaldum & Florian Thauvin

    Skills – Some players don’t have the required skills to be playing at this level . In the modern game, if you are a fullback, you need to be good both offensively and defensively. Just one of the two won’t cut it.

    Also, passing was dreadful today.

    Guilty of this today: Paul Dummett, Janmaat, Sissoko, Wijnaldum

    Movement – Movement without the ball is one of the most important aspects in modern football. Even if you don’t have the skills at least you need to be moving to become playable. If you want to play a system that involves a lot of possession then movement is vital.

    Guilty of this today: Whole team except for Perez, Mbemba & Anita.

  • 31 toon kk // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:43 PM

    Our toon
    I agree it’s time we tried a young foreign manager, but like any manager to get results you at least need pace and more quality than the flops we possess

  • 32 G // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:43 PM

    Tsunki has a point that the club is rotten, I agree we need an overhaul from the boardroom down, but hanging onto a coach who can’t even get players to move is suicide.

  • 33 the broons // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:44 PM


    Mbemba, Mitrovic and wijnaldum are all good signings. Mitrovic seems to have a bit of Balotelli about him (evident today in his body language).

    Wijnaldum is a match winner but not a game changer (2 different things)

    Mbemba in my opinion by far our best signing, not great today by any means, but for someone so young and learning the game he has singlehandedly kept that defence up by his own.

    Now onto the sad truth, lets analyse the team and i will say where we need strengthening in order to be truly competitive in the modern premier league.

    Goalkeeper- Krul, Elliot, Darlow- Obviously our current situation isn’t great but I don’t think we can ask for yet another keeper. We should be training Krul in training when fit to be more commanding in the air and how to actually kick the ball with his feet!

    Full backs- horrendous! Mbabu a youngin thats just came into the team is the best defender out of all them. And yes am including overrated janmaat. need a new left back and right back.

    Centre backs- Mbemba is quality but needs a proper centre back alongside him who he can actually learn from. Collocinin doesn’t fit the bill by a wide stretch.

    Centre mids- We have too many at the club who aren’t good enough unfortunately, sissoko and wiji need to start playing more central with a proper holding midfielder behind them.

    Wingers- along with defenders we need proper out an out wingers who can actually deliver to mitrovic. ( a striker who thrives on crosses into the box yet we get none into the box!!!)

    Strikers- would prefer a charlie austin mould striker as mitro and perez are still very young and raw.

    So if we strengthen suffieceintly it should only cost us what? 100 million on the right player….. oh right

  • 34 lochinvar // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:44 PM

    Imagine Ashley’s reaction if Sports Dire put in a performance like that.
    Put the players on zero hours.
    Fine them for not turning up fit to work.
    Put the Manager on Gardening leave.
    Sell the company.
    Start again.

  • 35 Munster Mag // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:44 PM

    Shot Bru, your point about corporate waffle is well made. I appreciate you may not be a rugby fan, but corporate talk is all over tht game too. Getting the ball out of your own 22 in rugby is now called your “exit strategy” . I kid you not. Rugby fans are constantly bombarded with noise about “the group” , “process management” , “process improvement” and “the brand on the pitch” . Honest.

  • 36 Shot Bru // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:45 PM

    Our Toon. Totally agree.

    If Scteve does go, another Clueless Brit like Moyes will replace him in the boys club.

  • 37 G // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:46 PM

    @30, I would add Elliot to that list, at least he tried to get the players to move, and none of those goals were his fault. My MOM

  • 38 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:46 PM

    the squad has always been the problem why isn’t that stated every day and night!!!
    its obvious to any fan ffs
    but it was pardew who was at fault
    and now its macca

  • 39 jimiley // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:46 PM

    I am not a student of Toon history but I think the last 11 months are the worst ever in our long history. About 4 or 5 wins all year. Incredible. Better times are just around the corner.

  • 40 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:47 PM

    who are you supporting on monday mr tuff ? 🙂

  • 41 Blackley and Brownlie // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:52 PM

    To top it off, this site is corrupting my mobile.

  • 42 Munster Mag // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:53 PM

    Banjax, i dont think we are sleepwalking to relegation. I think frauds like Sissoko ( I first called him a fraud over 2 years ago so at least i’m consistent) know we are, but care little. Under Pardew, many of these guys showed they are more than capable of walking into relegation , and we really should have gone down, except that Swansea beat Wigan ( so yet, Pardew was a useless twat at times, just was hung out to dry by Ashley and his little friend Carr ) so i have no doubts that guys like Thauvin ( can anyone please explain this signing to me ? Well done Sparky for nailing ur flag on this ages ago ) and Sissoko and Cisse wont be doing much. I do believe that guys like Perez, Wini , Elliott, Dummett have professional pride, but the club is infected with a mediocre disposition built by Ashley. Steve wants better than this , and so do his staff, but he needed more than the signings he got this summer. Even beyond that, I think he is a better coach than a manager. This shower need a Brian Clough, but he would have walked out on Ashley after a month.

  • 43 Mister Tuff // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:53 PM

    .moanster – used to live in London – aha – adopted Cockney – plently of eel pie shops and Chas n’ Dave gigs then.
    Aye it all comes out in the end.

  • 44 Jail for Ashley // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:53 PM

    You’re like the man in the high castle, nobody can see the bigger picture but you, I guess each and everyone of the 47K who wouldn’t let Pardew out of the dug out against Cardiff we’re obsessive idiots too. Make your mind up, in some posts it’s a few obsessive idiots in others lonly some. I’ve said this to you before, it is you who couldn’t see the bigger picture, Pardew had to go because things simply had to change and unfortunately Mike Ashley has been stubborn, stupid and spiteful enough to make decisions that have changed us for the worse by the look of things, those wanting Pardew out were hoping for a vast improvement not a MKII. You slate those obsessive idiots for gpoing on about Pardew, you literally never shut up about him and now you’re going on about Carr and making out that everyone thinks he’s a super scout bar you when the reality is that the majority know that he’s a failed lower league/conference manager who in no way shape or form be deciding the 20th richest club in Europes policy along with a tea boy and a club ambassador, take a look at yourself Munster before pointing out everybody elses misguided faults.

  • 45 VanBasten // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:56 PM

    After the shocking performance of today, I think the most important signing of the January transfer window will be to find a midfield general. We need someone in the middle who can distribute the ball and take charge of the game while also good on his defensive duties. Someone with good leadership qualities too. Players in the same mold of Cabaye and Barton when they were at their best.

    We also need to get rid of Sissoko. I think he has the biggest negative influence of the entire squad the way he plays at times. When you think about it, it seems like the team rise and fall with him. When he plays at his best the team normally plays well, and when he doesn’t the team suffers. Unfortunately his good performances have been few and far between.

    Those are the 2 main things the club need to address in order to take this team forward imo.

  • 46 VanBasten // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:58 PM

    @37. Elliot was not added to the list since he was not guilty of any wrong doing today. All the other names were 🙂

  • 47 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:59 PM

    jailsorry but you can pretty much repost that for the pardew haters
    thats why i asked tuff that question in jest
    iasked tsunki a question how can you still state about pardew needing to go to change something when nothing has changed no answer!
    maybe you can?

  • 48 BandB // Nov 21, 2015 at 9:59 PM


    Regardless of their qualities as managers at normal football clubs, Pardew and the McClaren were both appointed HERE primarily as glib patter merchants who could gild the poo with endlessly inventive tales of hard work and progress behind the scenes.
    It is a bright, exciting new era in which boring old Jam Tomorrow has been replaced with brand new improved Jam Tomorrow.

  • 49 lochinvar // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:00 PM

    There was a point in the game when one of players was down and Colo walked past him oblivious – no eye contact, no pat on the back, no words of encouragement . No clue. Disengaged. Hopeless.

    It’s like watching a zombie film in slow motion and with crap actors.

  • 50 toon kk // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:00 PM

    The loosing mentality has a bad infectious effect on every new players unluckily enough to sign for the toon.

  • 51 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:02 PM

    and no one picks up on how poor our squd is no one is that because the manager is at fault or the scout or the fuskin owner!!!
    yep the head coach who we have been told countless times has no final input transfers is to blame!!!!

    best squad ever!! haha

  • 52 G // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:03 PM

    @46, I meant your list of exceptions mate. Lol

  • 53 Jib // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:07 PM

    Welcome to hysteria central (ed’s blog)

    This afternoon was just a setback .


    Setbacks are just stepping stones to great things.

    Chill ladies

  • 54 Jib // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:09 PM

    and BandB

  • 55 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:09 PM


    The poor squad, poor management, poor scouting and poor director and all down to one person….Mike Ashley.

    Ultimately he is he head of the club and he either signs things off himself or puts others in positions of authority which they are not capable of.

    Kinnear was poor, Pardew was poor, Carver was poor, McClaren is poor, many of the players we sign are poor…it’s all coming from once place.

    Ultimately we need a guy running the club the right way, spends the money on the right players at the right time. Not buying players in the hope they can be sold on.

  • 56 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:11 PM


    I did say I saw a little progress in a couple of games but today and last week was worse than anything else I’ve seen in years for us.

    Other managers have gone into clubs and made a change in a much more positive and timely manner.

    Look at liverpool, Klopp hasn’t got them as title contenders yet by a long way but you can at least see they are closing down, adapting to his style, being more positive and they look like they enjoy it.

  • 57 toon22 // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:12 PM

    We wont ever get a good manager under MA
    Because a good manager wouldnt put up with MA,and MA wouldnt like being told what he has too do.
    You see MA is the boss and everyone has to do as he says.
    But its obvious he hasnt a clue and wont appoint someone who could actually help us as it would mean he has to be told whats the right thing for the club.

    A good manager wouldnt touch us with a barge pole,as a good manager wouldnt take the shit MA deals.
    MA wouldnt take,in his eyes,being bossed about.
    He has a god complex.

  • 58 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:14 PM

    bandb so why the hatred for people who recognize that ffs
    its the way of the usuals on this blog
    i asked tsunki no answer
    i asked tuff no answer
    its funny as fusk tbh
    but they are always right hey bandb? always right?

  • 59 BandB // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:15 PM

    Usually, Manxpie.

  • 60 toon22 // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:15 PM

    The scrooge like mentality of the club comes from lackies trying to please out god like owner with something he approves of,money.

  • 61 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:15 PM

    toon 22

    I’ve said all along I don’t mind an owner who makes mistakes or an owner who tries but get’s it wrong.

    I really don’t like an owner who does things which clearly go against what is best for the club and deliberately sets out to under achieve and doesn’t strive to be the best we possibly can.

    Being the best we can is key, not demanding league titles/champions league, but we certainly should be demanding that we do the best with the money we have.

  • 62 toon kk // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:19 PM

    We’ve been the same for years, unfit injury prone pace less players that lack quality and work ethic.

  • 63 toon22 // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:19 PM

    MA has a plan for us and its not going to change.
    We are an advert he is trying to keep cheap.

    The footballs a side note in as much as he thinks he can make money on the players,the actual club isnt really anything of note to him other than the cost he thinks hes owed.

    Its obvious to anyone its going to end badly,i just hope we can make it out the other side but atm we are doing a Leeds.

  • 64 lochinvar // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:20 PM

    An Appalling Display And An Abysmal Record

    Get a grip Ed don’t you mean,

    An abysmal display and an appalling record

    Same shit different day

  • 65 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:20 PM

    sage for me theres many very poor people in football than macca
    we hear how good he is from many pros
    the rest is down to ashley but many like tsunki say that the manager needs to go first to make a difference not once has it changed not once !!

  • 66 toon22 // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:21 PM

    As out multi billionaire owner in his heart really dont give two shakes of a donkeys arse about the fans or the football.
    We are an asset he is protecting as a futherment of his own personal wealth.

  • 67 Jail for Ashley // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:22 PM

    What was your question.

  • 68 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:23 PM


    I’ve heard a few say he is a good coach, not a manager…so maybe he can do some of the work just not put it all together, he might need direction.

    For me he has been poor other than at boro and at twente the first time, the rest of his career has been terrible really.

    I just think he is a manager who wants to play possession football for the sake of it, there is no real purpose to the play.

    Just my opinion of course, but that’s what I think of him.

  • 69 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:23 PM

    its kind of like leicester they have well punched above there weight but its because of hard work and good play
    under us its luck and other teams playing shite

  • 70 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:25 PM


    It annoys me though. The club makes plenty of money these days, he doesn’t need to use his own money, just use the money he spends in a much better way really.

    He makes so much from SD that he doesn’t need to penny pinch with newcastle, he doesn’t even take money from the club so why can’t we just spend what we have in a positive way on the right stuff.

    He could still has his big billboard of a club but it would perform better and he’d have happy fans as well as something nice to watch when he turns up.

  • 71 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:26 PM

    jail finally lol why would things change after pardew left?

  • 72 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:26 PM


    But like I say, this comes from Ashley. He could hire a better manager easily, he could buy better players for the money he spends, he could have a better director, he could get a better scouting network…..he could do so much more without really spending a great deal more.

  • 73 angelswithdirtyfaces // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:27 PM

    It really won’t take many more “setbacks” with a win record of 2 in 13 to see us relegated though will it ?
    Setbacks are also the stepping stones to the Championship.

    There is a difference between blind optimism, hope and realism.
    Is a GD of -12 – almost one goal a game just a blip ?
    Or do we have serious underlying problems which are not being sorted ?

  • 74 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:28 PM


    I think people were just hopeful…..they wanted a manager who could maybe try to play a brand of football they wanted to see.

    Pardew wasn’t suited to the players we had, nobody expected miracles (I would hope) with a change but maybe had somebody who could get a little more from them.

  • 75 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:30 PM

    sage well at least it shows as a manager he can be succsessful
    wat annoys me is that still the manager no matter who he is still still gets blamed
    as fans no one has learned the fact is we have shit squads after shit squads

  • 76 toon22 // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:31 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Its his ego,he wants to prove he can run a club this way and make a profit on players.He want to also use us as a cheap advert.The money he has put in equals zero as its a laod he wont ever want to repay himself.An accounting slight of hand.
    He is a greasy greedy bully who revels in his god like management.The problem is we as showing he is a show pony and he dont like it.

  • 77 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:32 PM



    I think people blame the manager as the last few years, whoever we have had, has come out and said they are happy withe squad and them say they are aiming top ten or whatever.

    Yes you need to put a positive spin on things, but they also need to be realistic instead of putting excess pressure on players and building expectations on fans.

  • 78 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:33 PM

    sage exactly its all coming from ashley exactly the person that got away from everything when fans blame managers and players

  • 79 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:35 PM


    I think 99% realise it’s ashley, they just give the manager stick as they willingly go along with it and peddle the false promises.

  • 80 toon22 // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:36 PM

    Under MA he wont leave untill we are bleached bones of a corpse.
    If someone wants to buy us he will ensure he robs the prospective buyers hence putting them off.
    He will make sure every penny is squeezed before he goes smug in the knowlege of his profits,its what he does.
    Its bully tactics from a very self centred greedy man,its down the shitter no matter what for us as its got one outcome.
    Just check his actions to the tatty shops he runs and how he deals wit hopposittion to them.

  • 81 toon22 // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:39 PM

    Zero hours contracts and people close to dropping down dead in he factories.

    He is a real piece of work.

  • 82 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:39 PM

    sage your the one who actually understands both sides properly i always said pardew wasn’t to blame for everything and i know you did too
    but all i am doing is making people remember that
    ofcourse there was torrid times but there is many circumstances for that

  • 83 toon22 // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:40 PM

    Maybe us as fans could petition the FA to remove him under fit and propper rule to ownership ??

  • 84 Jail for Ashley // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:40 PM

    It was a horrible, tedious time under Pardew, can you blame people for wanting change, we don’t deserve what was happening then just as much as we don’t deserve the shite results now, to say we do deserve it for wanting rid of Pardew is saying you were happy with him here, his shite football and knowing full well that success was not on the cards, if Ashley wants to take the chance of bringimg in someone worse when there was so many better managers to chose from then he can do it without me !

  • 85 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:41 PM

    We’ll struggle to sell, I read an article which was saying due to a number of reasons both financial and political it is difficult to attract people to spend the amount of money needed for a prem league club.

    I posted it here a few weeks ago, very good read. Went into details on:

    – clubs being of higher value due to increased income so more money needed to buy upfront

    – financial climate is on the down turn for while now

    – russian billionaires advised to keep money in russie to potential sanctions on the country

    – tighter regulations on fit and proper owners

    others too but can’t remember them al.

  • 86 BandB // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:41 PM


    I agree with you. You must know I agree with you.
    I wanted Pardew out because he was the perfect human shield for Ashley, as was proved by how quickly Ashley was flushed out and rattled once Pardew left.
    Ashley was always going to keep flying us lower and lower each season until we hit the trees. Pardew knew this, and made sure he wasn’t going to be around when it finally happened.
    All the Pardew arguments do now is to keep him functioning as a distraction from criticism of Ashley. Which I’m sure plenty of people keeping the flames alive are very well aware.

  • 87 toonbrother // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:50 PM

    funny how right i am about these things
    100% spot on 100% of the time
    I remember right after the first game
    the 2-2 draw with leicester
    there was singing and dancing everwhere
    I toonbrother aka SIGTR aka nostradamus was the only one with the courage to point out how bad we were in defence and how unlikely we were to win any of our first 5 games given the entrenchment of Colocinni at the back
    I was attacked abused and ridiculed over my stance
    but look at us now
    Hate to say i told you so but truth is i did
    they dont call me SIGTR for nothing
    Warm regards

  • 88 toonbrother // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:51 PM

    *2-2 draw with southampton

  • 89 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:52 PM

    Manxpie @ 58 I did answer for two reasons,

    1/ I went away to drink whisky
    2/ I couldn’t be bothered to mull over your inane raggedy ass question that meant nothing.

    I hope that clears the issue for you.

  • 90 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:52 PM

    Didn’t answer. But did in a way 🙂

  • 91 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:54 PM

    bandb your last part of your statement makes alot of sense wait till monday to see your preminition or even next week
    ya might of missed my question to tuff but i did ask him in jest
    itsjust very funny to me how someones strong opinion is ok when there lucky but absolute shite when it turns out wrong
    i say wat ithink as do you other people get away with being a windup or backing up wat they stated

  • 92 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:56 PM

    Toonbotherer they don’t call you sigtr. They might call you most radius because only 5% of his claptrap guesswork hit the spot if you like interpretive dance that is. Are you for real? You want us to think you have intelligence above the grade of a used corn plaster when you say removing Coloccini would solve all the problems? You must be inhaling some rare gases you ether headed bubble

  • 93 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:58 PM

    There you go Manxpie, I’m sure you were once intelligible but these days I swear the sauce is getting to your bonce.

  • 94 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:59 PM

    Most radius? Thats creative. Nostradamus.

  • 95 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 10:59 PM

    tsunki fair enough but then dont pull someone else up then
    unless ya want an answer or a question?

  • 96 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 11:01 PM

    What was the question though manxpie?

  • 97 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 11:02 PM

    say wat tsunki?? to much whiskey?

  • 98 strategy // Nov 21, 2015 at 11:05 PM

    Time for change. Enough is enough. Progress can be slow, gradual or progressive. But there is no excuse for players not terning up especial at home. We are not talking about ability here we are talking about effort. If Mclaren ihas a duty to motivate what ever players he has got. If they don’t want to play there is a problem. Look at Chelsea this season

  • 99 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 11:05 PM

    ive asked ya at least twice tsunki have a look ya lazy
    sCUN Thorpe

  • 100 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 11:19 PM

    Yorky mag @59 I didn’t say they were competent, quite the opposite.

    Manxpie, blowed if I can figure out what you’re asking but I did say Pardew had to go. And he did. So, great.

  • 101 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 11:20 PM

    jail there you go again ashleys worst enemy is even feeling sorry for him
    it was pardews fault for the football it had nothing to do with recruitment or the injuries all luck and other teams playing shite but leicster are out of this world!!!!!
    go on wat is the difference since pardew has gone?

    there ya go tsunki thats 3!!

  • 102 manxpie // Nov 21, 2015 at 11:28 PM

    again i put a different point against pardew and therers no opposition

  • 103 stan anderson // Nov 21, 2015 at 11:28 PM

    I had the chance of 2 tickets for today.I was not to keen to go,but i offered to take my 10 yr.old grandson.As it happens he did not want to attend the game as he has never seen a win in the 8 games he has attended in the past.He thinks he is a Jonah on the team.How sad is that eh.

  • 104 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 11:31 PM

    Manxpie because you are raving like a gibbering loon. I have no idea what you are trying to say! What language is that – pidgin text? Ease off on the insults and itemise your question properly.

  • 105 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 11:32 PM

    And I did not drink whiskey.

  • 106 lochinvar // Nov 21, 2015 at 11:32 PM

    Andre Agnew free transfer and 16 goals or Thauvin ?
    Carr needs to retire.

  • 107 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 11:34 PM

    Stan thats sad for the little guy. It might help if you tell him there’s 52,000 others just like him on match day. Or less probably.

  • 108 daztoon // Nov 21, 2015 at 11:37 PM

    Simple nothing much has changed a new manager 15 games in, with the core of Pardews squad assembled over 4 years. Doesn’t take a genius to work out it wouldn’t have changed much overnight.

  • 109 toon kk // Nov 21, 2015 at 11:43 PM

    What we have to remember it’s not just our poor scouting that’s got us the worst squad in the premier league but our wage cap stopping even great free signings coming in.
    The whole club is doomed.

  • 110 Tsunki // Nov 21, 2015 at 11:45 PM

    Well I don’t know what manxpie is trying to dig for but here’s my stance. Ashley is taking us all for fools, and we are humouring him. He runs nufc as a cash funnel to hawk his wares and cream off profit from our merchandise, and soak up PL TV money. Carr, Charnley are tasked with buying sufficient ability to float us in the league. it’s a myth that it’s their sell on value, their purchase price and wages are correlated to revenue retained by staying in the PL. Everyone else is a puppet, a yes man or a mouthpiece designed to deflect us all from the primary directive, SD profit. Pardew was a blatant incompetent whose results waxed and waned with the players brought in or disposed of, nothing to do with his ability – he has none, it’s the incumbent players who get results not him. As a patsy he needed to go to illustrate that he was a symptom of this business model. And he went, although of his own accord, and carvers appointment highlighted just how vacuous the whole charade was. The focus now is not on managers but on the real culprits, the cynical bean counters who tow Ashleys line. it’s been shown that the manager in our model is a patsy, a front, a plausibly deniable hapless scapegoat. The real villains were there all the time, and will continue to do this thing while they think they can get away with it.

  • 111 nufc 11 // Nov 22, 2015 at 1:41 AM

    The problem is the overseas pl wannabes at the club some of them are more interested in their next move and how to engineer it than play ball I’d rather us buy players that will give everything and loose than those who give the usual 40 % we have the Derby trio of Keogh Christie and Hendrick would be a start is it any wonder villa are in the same boat as us when they followed our transfer blueprint.

  • 112 dannitoon // Nov 22, 2015 at 6:06 AM

    Of course P45due wasn’t fully to blame with regards to the team and football issues
    . But he was fully to blame with what shit came out of his mouth…..

  • 113 Graymee... // Nov 22, 2015 at 8:10 AM

    Anyone see Gouffran with headphones in when on bench during game?

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