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It´s A Challenge To Be Patient After This Happens

4:03 pm, Sunday, November 22nd, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 156 Comments

We are going to have setbacks – I have said that before and today was a setback because we were not good enough – we still lack consistency.

We have to get consistency into our game and the sooner players realize that the better things will be,  but it´s going to be two steps forward and one step back – it´s difficult to turn this big ship around.

I´ve said it before – but today was a setback – no doubt about that – and we?e going to have setbacks – but we’ll get back on the training field next week and get our heads down and work really hard for the next game –  believe you me.

Steve McClaren Leicester+4VGVOnwFm19l

Steve McClaren – calling all players – WAKE UP!

You get the idea this is what Steve had said in most of the seven defeats in our 13 games we have had so far this seasons.

And if Bournemouth had taken at least two of their six clear-cut chance two weeks ago we would have had the same., but that was a positive result for the Newcastle fans – and it was the resilience of the Newcastle team that Steve talked about on the south coast two weeks ago.

But things came crashing back to reality yesterday when we were simply taken apart by Leicester and we realized the Bournemouth result was a pure fluke.

This is some of what Steve actually did say to nufcTV after the game yesterday that left us on 10 points after 13 games – 3 points worse off than in our relegation season six years ago:

“Second best in everything we did from the beginning – congratulations to Leicester – they far better than us on the day – that was the most disappointing display since we´ve been here.”

“We lost Tiote which was a big blow to us and we had to readjust but in the end we were very disappointing and second best – even at 1-0 we said at half time it´s only a goal.”

“Congratulations to Leicester they stifled us, stopped us playing, won every duel kept the ball passed the ball better they did everything in every department that we didn´t do on the day.”

“Very disappointed with a lot of things – very disappointed with the performance as I say and we talked about in there and we´ll talk about it on Monday.”

“But believe you me, you´ll get these setbacks as I said yesterday in the press and this team is by no way miles away from turning this around.”

“We had 4 games and 7 points and should have had more (even after 3 points against Bournemouth?) and then we put a performance in like that – a large part of that is us and that won’t get us out of trouble and the sooner we realize that the better.”

“Consistency – absolutely that´s the word – consistency and what you will get every week.”

Steve is a good man so it´s hard to criticise him too much, but it sure is taking a long time for McClaren and his coaching staff to get the players playing in any consistent way.

It’s very difficult when we get a disgraceful display like that in front of 50,000 faithful fans to be patient – although we are trying not to overreact – well not too much anyway.

That display should help ensure the next game has less than 50,000 fans  at St. James’ Park against Liverpool – who took Man City apart 4-1 at the Etihad yesterday.

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Fans are impatient to start with because of what happened to Newcastle last season under John Carver.

If only we had Alan Pardew back in charge.

Relax – just kidding!

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I´m off later today to celebrate my birthday – must remember to forget about yesterday – note to myself – don´t mention Newcastle to wife at dinner.

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156 responses so far ↓

  • 1 sing in the corner // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:05 PM

    Repost
    Jib

    I too was thinking Benitez will be unemployed soon, and I would move heaven and earth to get him here if SM does walk or Ashley changes his habit and sacks him early.
    Not that I think he would fancy our ‘ project / package’ (poisoned chalice).
    Charlie was somewhere close in my opinion, when he talks about a malaise running through the club. From what I saw of the game, admittedly only highlights, I was astounded at the lack of attitude and application of some of our big name / highly paid ‘stars’. And sorry to all the fans still sticking with Colo – he was shockingly poor again, especially second half. Running through quicksand, chasing shadows in slo – mo, or not for the first time, standing on the point of the six yard box looking at the ball with players unmarked strolling in behind, queuing up at the back stick. Just look at that 3rd goal man!
    Not that he is the only one by any means, but he is the experienced captain everyone takes their lead from…?

  • 2 scout // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:10 PM

    Im in the sack SM clan. His record is awful. Leicester and West ham reaping the benefits of a top man.

  • 3 sing in the corner // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:12 PM

    To get a grip right now I think we have to go with something completely radical. Bust open the recruitment policy, sign a leader who can pass the ball from the middle of the park. It will never happen with our current hierarchy but if we went to someone like, wait for it… Joey Barton…he would come in and shake the whole place up, kick some lazy asses, drag the team through by the scruffs of their necks and get them fighting for the shirt with some pride. Something we are sadly lacking at the minute.

  • 4 toon kk // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:13 PM

    I thought Elliott was our man of the match, although we didn’t really have one.
    As far as Mitrovic goes, yes he could of done better, but unless we play to his strengths he’s hardly going to impress.

  • 5 Toon Tang // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:14 PM

    Happy Bday Ed. Dont get too sloshed on the moonshine.

    As for motm, I’m voting via proxy-vote and the proxy didnt make it on time. Gutted

  • 6 beermonkey // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:14 PM

    jail

    when ever I see them sports direct adds I cant help but think of the market trader with the mike making lots of noise claiming were not gonna charge this were not gonna charge you that

  • 7 Munster Mag // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:14 PM

    Rotunda i dont know why you wrote an abusive post towards me. I think pardews guilt is not as high as you think. He is far from innocent. We are in full agreement re carr and the scrutiny he must now come under. I think u could be looking at moyes as next mgr. I am beginning to think “why not”. At least he is a manager. Not great i know but….steve doesnt seem to have the balls to rough these wasters up. I think its all hugs in the dressing room and PR corporate spin outside of it.

  • 8 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:15 PM

    James

    That Chile world cup manager would be a dream.
    Could unearth a few more sanchez’s too!

  • 9 Jail for Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:16 PM

    sitc,
    I don’t think they feel part of the club, the heirachy have made it clear via media outlets that every players has his price, Churnley will have sat them down and promised them moves to bigger clubs if they apply them selves, the ‘stars’ they meet in the changing rooms will tell them they want out of here to play CL, not digging in and getting it via us mind, hardly anyone of them have any pride in the dhirt. At least we don’t sign over aged players only here for the money people say, what the fcuk is Collocini all about ?

  • 10 Munster Mag // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:18 PM

    Rotunda we also agree re thauvin. Carr loves his little technical players.did king pardew want anita… Doubt it. Its sad because i like anita. If we played ajax in europe (dream on) he wud look good and so would sdj…but put them in england……:(

  • 11 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:19 PM

    Munster

    Pot kettle black there my amigo. Before feeling sorry for yourself why would I write an abusive post.

    Do you think it could it possibly have been said in response to something you called me. Unlike Jib I don’t tend to randomly have a go at people without being provoked.

  • 12 SPRINGY // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:22 PM

    afternoon all,
    still cant believe how poor we played yesterday,no quality in passes,control,movement…..a piss poor attitude to work rate,willingness to try…..in one word clueless…cant see where many points are coming from between now and new year….can anyone realistically see anymore points before new year….villa???

  • 13 Jail for Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:22 PM

    Munster,
    You have to ask why Carr has so much power, did he walk into work one day and tell everyone how it’s going to be from now on, and Mikey, Churners and Bob just sat opened mouth while their fat slack jowels shook in agreement.

  • 14 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:22 PM

    Moyes is just repeating the pattern of a mediocre Brit / English manager who has been sacked from his last 2 jobs for providing some very unedifying hoofball which didn’t sit well with the mancs or the catalans. Where is our Pochetinno / Klopp / Martinez / Bilic etc etc

  • 15 Jail for Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:23 PM

    Rotondo,
    I’m sure I’ve never provoked you :O

  • 16 Jib // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:23 PM

    Happy Birthday Edward

    Remember with regard to footy.

    The older you get , the better you were 🙂

  • 17 sing in the corner // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:24 PM

    Jail

    I think we are crying out for a personality, a proper leader with an old head maybe, who can galvanise the players we have, they’re going through the motions. The phrase ‘sleepwalking towards the championship’ was coined last season and it’s back again.
    Anita was getting a good report from Mick Lowes and Ando on radio Newcastle but Christ almighty man, did you see him dangle a leg in a 50 – 50 challenge with the only other player on the pitch as lightweight as himself… Mahrez, who ran through his ‘tackle’ and went on to set them up again..???
    I can only describe it as GUTLESS!

  • 18 Jail for Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:24 PM

    Rotonda !
    It will be a true reflection of how far we’ve fallen if we’re glad to see Moyes brought in.

  • 19 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:26 PM

    Another thing that I noticed when watching the game was when Tiote got injured and it looked a bad one none of our players really went over to see if he was okay !! Especially Janmaat who done him with that hospital ball!!

    There is just no encouragement from any team mates when anything goes wrong only Elliot is shouting at players at corners

  • 20 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:36 PM

    Spurs look different gravy under Pochettino now the way they fight for the ball is great to watch wish our bunch of lazy mercenaries would play like that

  • 21 Jib // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:37 PM

    6’1″ Toby Alderweireld just completely outjumped 6’5″ Andy Carroll through pure technique to score from a corner for Spurs.

  • 22 Jib // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:39 PM

    Did you see that miss from Kane !!!!!!

  • 23 beermonkey // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:39 PM

    LCBP

    not that long ago tiote was labelled a bad egg
    could that have something to do with that

    not sure how bad an injury tiote has but as soon as it happened he wanted off and didn’t seem interested in staying out there

  • 24 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:47 PM

    west ham looked really good a few weeks back but since carroll came back in the team both him and them have gone backwards.

    what wouldn’t you give for a pochetinno style team like spurs

  • 25 Lindisfarne // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:50 PM

    Jail for Ashley @13:

    If The Joker can walk into a job at NUFC by doing an interview on Talksport then anything is possible.

    To those @large:

    I find Sports journalism very tepid and frustrating, anyone with an opportunity would ask Charnley more pertinent questions than “How do you define the role of a head coach?” and “Will you be buying any players?”

    Since relegation we have had approximately 2 years of Phoenix rising; 2 years of decline and 2 years of relegation football. What are the lessons that have been learnt?

    It may have been suspiciously necessary to sell our best players, but what has been learned from the subsequent experience?

    It may be an unnecessary strain on an unsubstantial squad to compete in Cup competitions as the PL has to be the priority, but what has been learned from the conscious decision to willingly neglect competing in such competitions?

    Since promotion to the PL the club has had four individuals in charge of first team affairs that have had different degrees of success at working within the remit that the club decides, but what has been learned in terms of non-playing staff recruitment at the club?

    The 25 man squad has become long jammed with individuals who are regularly not making appearances in the first team squad and are unable to demand a fee from other clubs, but what has been learned about handling players contracts?

    Are these questions really that inflammatory that they can not be asked in a constructive interview that would actually illuminate how the club is progressing rather than bland predictions about how the future is potentially going to be a whole lot brighter.

  • 26 Mister Tuff // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:54 PM

    Nice to muse about what would be the position if we had gone after Klop. Now that would have demonstrated some SERIOUS intent on behalf of the club and I think fans would agree change was afoot.
    Even folk like Moanster would probably forget about King Percy and eating eel pie to the background music of Chas n’ Dave. I’d wager he might even get rid of his Pearly King suit.

    Players would know he’s the top manager at the minute (or just about) and would bust a gut to play for him -they would want to be part of something.

    Back to reality – our lot – head hunt bloody Wally Brolly – yesterdays man – why on God’s earth were they after him. Defies belief.
    Having said that there is something wrong at SJP – is it players want away, poor wages/contracts, bad atmosphere, no natural leaders, bad policies.
    We are going to pay the consequences this season.

  • 27 Hail Wor Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:57 PM

    Talking in tongues Schteve and trying to emphasise ‘on the day’ like it’s an anomaly against otherwise good performances. We’ve actually slowly got worse since the first day against Southampton, when it looked like there was a new approach that would take time to smooth out. Of course he solely at fault, the coddled players shirk any kind of professionalism and pride.

    Big changes should be made to the line-up next weekend, as much as we can with our depleted squad.

    Mbabu has to play, the only positive this season were his performances and he is streets ahead of any of our other fullbacks in terms of defensive solidity, tenacity and is a much better athlete than them too, particularly Dummy who should be played CB or nowhere.

    SDJ has to play, bigged up by every manager, yet none play him and he’s supposed to be a leader, which we’re sorely lacking.

    _______________Elliot_______________
    Mbabu___Mbemba____Dummet___Haidara
    Janmaat___Sissoko__Wijnaldum___Thauvin
    _______________SDJ
    _______________Perez

  • 28 Hail Wor Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:58 PM

    he’s not*

  • 29 Lindisfarne // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:59 PM

    Mister Tuff

    This season was always going to be decisive whoever was put in charge and who would have willingly taken up the batten at the end of last season? Certainly not Klopp or any Coach with CL ambitions. In reality the current team is a product of years of miss management that is not going to be cured in one season, despite there still being 2/3 of it still to go.

  • 30 Lindisfarne // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:05 PM

    AP was lambasted for only having a target of finishing in and around tenth and rightly pilloried for not being able to consistently reach that target. With every interview Schtevie sounds more and more like AP mark two, so is it the men themselves or the mis-information they are fed from above?

  • 31 Munster Mag // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:05 PM

    Rotunda, fair enough if i was abusive. I dont remember the post but lets both be more civil. Deal?

  • 32 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:05 PM

    Lindis

    Viera would have been a left field gamble but it would have excited the fans. SM was just another in a long line of supposedly ” safe hands”

    How much excitement and entertainment can you get from teams managed by dalglish, souness, allardyce, jfk, prdw, jc and SM!! Ironically the fat man likes a gamble…!

  • 33 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:07 PM

    munster

    fair enough

  • 34 Lindisfarne // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:07 PM

    Watching the Spurs game I now understand what working hard looks like.

  • 35 JamesToon // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:07 PM

    Tottenham showing exactly how to play the 4-2-3-1 with a high press possession game, take note Steve…

  • 36 JamesToon // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:08 PM

    Lindisfarne exactly

  • 37 beermonkey // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:08 PM

    Lindisfarne

    have just been looking on the club site at the squad
    so your players not playing and clogging up the squad rang a bell with me

    defence
    it seem he has binned willo and you can forget perma crock taylor
    it leaves a back 4 to made from
    janmatt hadiara laschelles mbemba colo dummett

    midfield
    marveax vuckic and soon to be Aarons are out onloan
    he has tried and seems to have binned obertan
    this leaves us with
    colback anita sissoko wigi thauvin tiote dejong

    up front
    riviere injured and goofy looks to have been binned
    leaves us
    cisse mitro perez

    I read some comments earlier about McLaren having his fave like pards and not dropping players
    but really when you look at it he hasn’t got a lot of options within that 25 man squad 10 of the 25 shouldn’t be at the club

  • 38 JamesToon // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:11 PM

    Lanzini has 4 Spurs players around him on the half way line and they win the ball back, why is it that ulloa has absolutely no one around him when he’s in our 6 yard box

  • 39 Hail Wor Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:11 PM

    Actually, switch Dummy out for Lascelles in that line-up. Often forget he’s even an option, indicative of how low key he has been since his arrival, he should be demanding he plays given the awful performances of those deemed ahead of him.

    Ya’ just know Pardew is going to have Palace revved up for this one and they’ll come out the blocks fast, pressuring us, much like Leicester.

  • 40 Jail for Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:14 PM

    Heads should have rilled after the Bournemouth game but when you have eleven “purples” and eleven back up/kids/not good enough it makes it very difficult to drop players who arent performing

  • 41 Lindisfarne // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:19 PM

    Rotonda heights

    The only thing I agree with Carver about is the recruitment/transfers, which IMO has been the real problem. Although coaching is a weakness it is exacerbated by the general standard of players brought in, the undermining effect of certain players being moved out and the squad be inadequately invested in.

  • 42 hibbitt // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:19 PM

    most on here today have put valid points the clubs rotten from the top down if the owner /managers of a company arn’t up to the job the company will fail as a football club we are on the way down……. heads went down in the warm up yesterday…… its sad to see team with no hart or soul just going through the motions but thats whats happening if Mc can’t or wont do the job he should walk i watched him yesterday and he looked lost no passion no fight it wont be long till he’s gone……… dead man walking

  • 43 lochinvar // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:20 PM

    If Spurs are a useful benchmark for the level of our aspirations then Ashley needs to get out now and take the rabble that is Charnley, Carr and McLaren with him .
    Spurs have a goal difference of 24 compared to us and are 14 points ahead in the League and Deli Ali didn’t need to think twice about who he signed for.

    Sports Dire are a tacky mess and NUFC is just a branch outlet store used to sell dross.

    It’s no longer funny – it hasn’t been fun for years.

  • 44 Jail for Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:21 PM

    Lochinvar,
    Spurs were in a much worse position than us when Mashers took over

  • 45 hibbitt // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:23 PM

    lindisfarne…….apart from Mc having a PR voice he’s no better then carver same results…….. so much for him being a great coach

  • 46 bettyswallocks // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:26 PM

    It’s obviously a special talent to get the players to play with confidence and commitment and with a smile on their faces ala Liverpool yesterday.

    Mourinho always had a great team spirit going within his team but even with a winning squad like he has when the confidence dries up its hard to get it back.

    I don’t think there is any quick fix for our problems but we defo need a rethink in Jan.

  • 47 Lindisfarne // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:29 PM

    beermonkey

    The available players in the squad makes for desperate reading and not just because of the number of injuries. It is not just Carr that is brought into question but the method of player procurement and the running of the Academy. These problems have existed for years and brushed under the carpet, or over come with a sudden burst of spending.

  • 48 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:30 PM

    sickening we could have got Dier and Alli for under 10M but spend 13M on Thauvin. Go figure!!

    Still, would they have been given a chance at NUFC and progressed like they have under Poch

  • 49 Jail for Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:30 PM

    Lochinvar,
    Ashley looks at Spurs and thinks, wrll they spend a few quid but don’t qualify for the CL very often so why bother when I can get my tat advertised without it, he seen last year what he missed out with on Bony so decided to up the ante but had the se uselesd staff in charge, likr Tan, Venky and Oyston, he’s not fit to run a football club

  • 50 Jail for Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:31 PM

    Rotonda,
    Wff happened to Bigi ???

  • 51 Lindisfarne // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:38 PM

    I like how John Carver willingly admits to having a detrimental effect on Adam Armstrongs’ career (sic), forcing him to train with our first team rather than going to League 2 Coventry.

  • 52 hibbitt // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:39 PM

    jail …..lots of rumors the lads had hepatitis can take 12/18 months

  • 53 Lindisfarne // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:40 PM

    Rotonda heights @48 – here here

  • 54 hibbitt // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:42 PM

    don’t know were the rest of the post went………….to get over

  • 55 Lindisfarne // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:43 PM

    Bigi is back at Coventry now but has had a very poor time of it here, I would presume it is Hepatitis and may be it was not made an official injury to protect the player.

  • 56 Slank // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:45 PM

    Betty @ 46

    You are right. Confidence is the ‘X’ factor.

    As has been seen with Chelsea that when that disappears it’s very difficult to get it back in the short term. As good a manager as Mourinho is even he is having trouble motivating them so McClaren must have quite an uphill struggle trying to get a team that finished last season so dispirited turned around.

  • 57 lochinvar // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:53 PM

    Is Klingsman up from a move from the USA the brave new world of football ?

  • 58 beermonkey // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:53 PM

    Lindisfarne

    its been a steady process of thinning out the first team for a few years now
    pardew once alluded to the fact that Ashley wasn’t happy about players on good money not even making the bench since then its been allowed to get as thin as it is now

  • 59 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 5:56 PM

    Hola Jail

    No se que paso a Bigi. Es muy triste porque el habia aparecido ser una buena perspectiva !

  • 60 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 6:02 PM

    Slank

    I think if we could find someone who has a bit of what ranieri has, we’d be on the right lines. Leicester remind me a bit of Notts forest under clough, where the sum of the parts complimented moments of individual brilliance.

    seeing spurs now is very tough to take where the manager is moulding a very attractive team and like leicester give you no time on the ball, whereas our lot could let you take in an afternoon matinee.

  • 61 Mister Tuff // Nov 22, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    Unfortunate phrase “the brave new world of football!”
    Please desist in using this phrase – it remiminds me of the Master Multiples similar phrase “Maccas’ bwave new world.
    If he he spots this he’ll be on squealing like a piglet – not acting like a bwave warrior.

  • 62 Mag52 // Nov 22, 2015 at 6:06 PM

    Rotunda.(previous thread)

    You are an unpleasant little sh!t Rotunda aren’t you.
    On what evidence are you branding me an xenophobe ? Because I felt, and still feel, that dumbos like you were well OTT in the stick you gave AP ?
    I’d welcome any manager to rock up at SJP who could give us something resembling success. Be it McClaren, a European manager, a South American, even a f”cking Martian.
    What I will say though regarding our present plight. Macca might be a good coach, even a very good coach, but to keep us out of the Championship next season, I’d back Pardew before him every time.

  • 63 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Nov 22, 2015 at 6:12 PM

    Happy birthday ? Ed!

  • 64 Mister Tuff // Nov 22, 2015 at 6:13 PM

    whoa – the eel pie boys are surfacing – with their King Percy lovefest.

  • 65 Mag52 // Nov 22, 2015 at 6:28 PM

    Pathetic Stuffy, as usual.

  • 66 JamesToon // Nov 22, 2015 at 6:42 PM

    rotonda 60

    completely agree, along with the likes of everton and southampton

  • 67 Jail for Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 6:47 PM

    I didn’t know what BandB meant when she aid we’d be five points adrift of safety if we’d been rightly beaten off of Bournemouth, but looking at it, had we have lost to them we’d be right in the shyte

  • 68 benjohnsen // Nov 22, 2015 at 7:00 PM

    It is very simple. To fight in Premier League you need top top quality players and top top manager. If I were to rate our manager against other managers in PL he would end up far down the list, despite recent results. If we look at current premier league table for foreign managers versus British managers it draws up a pretty nasty picture, not only for McClaren, but for British managers in general.

    Clubs with foreign manager:
    1. Leicester – Ranieri
    2. Manchester City – Pellegrini
    3. Manchester United – Van gaal
    4. Arsenal – Wenger
    5. Tottenham – Pocettino
    6. West Ham – Billic
    7. Everton – Martinez
    8. Southampton – Koeman
    9. Liverpool – Klopp
    13. Watford – Sánchez Flores
    15. Chelsea – Mourinho
    20. Aston Villa – Garde

    Clubs with British manager:
    10. Palace – Pardew
    11. Stoke – Hughes
    12. West Bromwich – Pulis
    14. Swansea – Monk
    16. Norwich – Alex Neil
    17. Newcastle – McClaren
    18. Bournemouth – Howe
    19. Sunderland – Allerdyce

    Now, of the managers in this league, surely Newcastle could compete for some of the better names. McClaren got a budget of £50 mill before the season started. I think any managers could use those money better than McClaren/Carr/Charnley. He said that it will take some time to make the team play good football. I can agree with that, playing good football requires practice. However, turning the mentality around and making a team believe can happen in a week. Look at Liverpool these days, their victory against Manchester City were fully deserved. They didn’t stop fighting, it was full fight the game out. Not bad considering Klopp has been in charge for 43 days. That is something Liverpool missed under Brendan Rogers. The fighting spirit is often the factor that win you games in the Premier League. I do not see the players fighting under McClaren. Joey Barton would do us good for a change.

    Talking about players. Many are talking about Newcastle’s weaknesses defensively, well of course they are weak. There are no midfield to stop the opposition going forward at them. When an out of form Tiote is our best defensive midfielder you know the squad is in bad shape. Jack Colback and Anita, both lacking speed get overrun game after game. They are not a threat going forward either and the team on the other side know that.
    It is time the board of Newcastle see this, get their finger out and sign a top defensive midfielder and another center back. Mitrovic and Perez will score goals, but you have to put them in position for it.

    Some are also saying foreign players are not working, please sign British players that are proven on this level. Remember this, it’s not like we are signing top foreign players. The best players in the league are foreign.

    That said, I hope Newcastle with some new players that can have instant impact and a new manager can turn this ship around. I do not see that happening with McClaren.

  • 69 Munster Mag // Nov 22, 2015 at 7:14 PM

    Jeez the genius of Tuff is here. Sad thing for the anti pardew loons is that smc is doing much worse than pardew did when he arrived. I wonder will he get us into the europa? Or near it. That wud be nice. Oh wait….

  • 70 welshgeordie9 // Nov 22, 2015 at 7:20 PM

    Bring back Pardew, yes he didn’t have a good record but he’s much better than this clown we have got, I remember last season having a bet with a certain person, so mcclaren is better then is he, yeah right.

  • 71 RonVanDam // Nov 22, 2015 at 7:30 PM

    Its time to SM to go. A manager with his CV shouldnt be struggling that low down the table after 13 games.
    This would be the ideal time to get Brendon Rogers before he signs with another club. Eventhough his management style is questionable at times, you cant deny he plays good football. P.S dont let him make transfers

  • 72 Jail for Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 7:31 PM

    If all you want Pardew back for is to scrape enough points in the league to survive and line Ashleys pockets then you can’t be football fans !

  • 73 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Nov 22, 2015 at 7:33 PM

    punters on here talking about other teams playing the high pressing game.
    Even if the TOON tried they couldn’t – simple facts
    i) Not fit enough
    ii) Have got the guts or willingness to chase close down everyone
    iii) Got to be able to change defence into attack – attack into defence
    iv) Got to comfortable on the ball one/two touch passing.
    v) Play one twos – give and go

    could go on!

    WOR lot know bloody chance

    maybe that’s why Pardew played the long ball!!!

  • 74 Jail for Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 7:36 PM

    Ron Van Dam,
    You’re right, a man with his CV should be around the top of the Championship making hard work of getting Derby promoted, see the new guy has got them third top two points off the leader with no previous managerial experience !

  • 75 welshgeordie9 // Nov 22, 2015 at 7:53 PM

    Jail

    If Ashley give Pardew huge amounts of money to spend then we wouldn’t have been struggling every season, after the season we finished 5th then that should have been the time to given him the cash but he didn’t, the last two seasons Pardew was here by Christmas in the two seasons we were in the top half after Christmas in both of the seasons were in the bottom half, why, because he wasn’t given the money to strengthen.

  • 76 angelswithdirtyfaces // Nov 22, 2015 at 8:03 PM

    Jib / Nov 21
    This afternoon was just a setback .
    Chill ladies
    Jib / Nov 22,
    I hope the coaching staff are at Benton today having a crisis meeting about what they are trying to do .

    I do agree with the realism and rationale of the second opinion. This is exactly what we need to be done.
    What is needed is to improve the strategy, which isn’t working, and then see a bit of genuine anger from Macca, some erse kicking and if he can hack it, leadership. If they don’t shape up then ship ’em out. Players who have just come to us as a stepping stone to the top 6 ain’t going to go anywhere much with a poor work ethic and level of commitment – except as bench warmers.
    And if we can’t turn a profit on the second raters – tough.

    They need to really aim for 100%, and perform at over 90% ALL the time, not just one game in five. It isn’t that we don’t have decent players – though there is no real balance in the side because of the recruitment policy. They need to work for their money. Where is Steve Black ? Is the Toon too much for his legendary motivational powers ?

    If B&B is right and there is a virus turning them into psychological crocks once they sign for us – we’re stuffed anyway til Mr Tubbs goes.

  • 77 Thump // Nov 22, 2015 at 8:05 PM

    Why the fsck are we still talking about Pardew?

  • 78 beermonkey // Nov 22, 2015 at 8:11 PM

    benjohnson

    your foreign manager vs brittish doesn’t really tell the whole story does it

    west ham up in 6th at the mo managed by a foreigner
    last season under fat sam finished the season with European football and since promotion back into the div he made steady progress up the table left because contract not renewed

    Swansea again under monk made steady progress up the league plays pretty good football will finish higher than where they
    you cant count the 3 promoted as there new to the league but howe has done good things with Bournemouth

    stoke hughs has done pretty well a club in transition and long term project

    west brom were normal relegation fodder till pulis went in there

    that leave the 3 clubs of Newcastle sunderland and villa
    probably the 3 worst run clubs in the league its not all down to poor manager the biggest fault with all 3 clubs is the way they are run and the way they buy players

  • 79 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 8:21 PM

    Mag 52

    Been on the sauce again you little keyboard warrior you.

    Mate you are someone who thinks Pardew is a better watch than Martinez, so clearly don’t be too upset when I say you’re confusing me with someone who gives a rat what a deluded and demented puffed up piece of blowfly sh-te like you thinks.

    Slank

    I think if we could find someone who has a bit of what ranieri has, we’d be on the right lines. Leicester remind me a bit of Notts forest under clough, where the sum of the parts complimented moments of individual brilliance.

    seeing spurs now is very tough to take where the manager is moulding a very attractive team and like leicester give you no time on the ball, whereas our lot could let you take in an afternoon matinee.

  • 80 Jib // Nov 22, 2015 at 8:32 PM

    Remi Cabella and maybe our new striker Michy Batshuayi in action for OM against St Etienne on BT Europe at the moment.

  • 81 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 8:32 PM

    I don’t and never did want SM. Nobody who rightly wanted pardew gone wanted SM to replace him.

    Some of us dreamt of a Pochetinno / FDB type replacement but how is the fact that SM is doing badly mean we were so much better off with AP.

    It’s ridiculous comparing the 2. Both are mediocre average English managers.

    Mag 52

    you say ”but to keep us out of the Championship next season, I’d back Pardew before him every time.

    Despite his relegations and flirtations with relegation AP probably could keep us in the EPL. Wow what ambition. Dire football and lower mid table also rans every year, with sometimes a good spell always followed by an equally bad one.

    2 wrongs don’t make a right.

  • 82 Mag52 // Nov 22, 2015 at 8:40 PM

    Rotonda.

    Once again you are making up something I’ve never said.
    I have never even compared the playing styles of Pardew and Martinez, who incidently I rate highly.
    Are you mad at the run – around Munster gave you this evening, or are you always in story telling mode on a Sunday evening ?

  • 83 GeordieTwo // Nov 22, 2015 at 8:46 PM

    Two steps forward and one back McLaren? Really? How about one step sideways and seven back? Still steaming about yesterday’s match. So very, very poor at home. The lads played another stinker. How long is McLaren going to continue to be head coach. Start looking over your shoulder Steve.

  • 84 Jail for Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 8:48 PM

    welsh,
    I said that from the beginning, if he’d been given the money that was spent in January in the summer it would have been a real showing of how he would have done, but he wasn’t and he took an eight year deal to peddle sh!te for his paymaster.

  • 85 GeordieTwo // Nov 22, 2015 at 8:52 PM

    We’ve been poor for 7 of 8 full seasons under Ashley and we’re poor again this season. Pardew gave us a slight lift and money was spent in a couple of windows but we’ve never had a decent defense in the last 8 1/2 years under Ashley. We got one fifth place with miracle goals from Cisse and Ba before he left. The rest has been rubbish. Pathetic. No ambition. No pride. Just sell some more rags Ashley.

  • 86 Mag52 // Nov 22, 2015 at 8:52 PM

    Rotonda.

    This might be lost on you but I’ll try and make the point as simply as I can.
    If a manager is handed a group of poor to lousy players, with the occasional exception who is sold when the opportunity arises, he is doing a pretty fair job if he can keep this motley crew in the tough league which is the premiership. To expect exhilarating football from these players is expecting too much IMO.

  • 87 toon22 // Nov 22, 2015 at 8:53 PM

    SMC aint going to be able to sort this out,hes never managed it at any other club he has been at.He either does great or is utter rubbish,it seems hes rubbish this time.
    We need a manager who will fire up the players,to get them to attack and show some spirit.
    If either had happened and we still got beat we would have been fine but its was abysmal wasnt it.

    Its not just SMC thats the problem,if he goes its still the same dross but with a different name to blame,we all know who is at fault here but he aint going anywhere while there is still cheap adverts and profit to be bled from the club.

  • 88 toon22 // Nov 22, 2015 at 8:56 PM

    The reason we dont have a good defense is because they see the likes of Bale going for uber money and they decide they might be able to do something like that.
    There aint many defenders who are sold for big bucks hence theres no money in it.
    The real money,it seems,is in strikers and goal scoring midfielders.

    So if your still wondering why we always seem to buy Attacking midfielders…….

  • 89 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 8:56 PM

    Ah jib us back in full swing after his hiatus of yet another unseen stuffing. Verbal diarrhoea, Ray? The hypocrisy is staggering. Coming from a loon that has failed to squeeze anything meaningful from any orifice let alone the right one. Your surf commentary is interrupting too, you’ll be making asides on the World under -13’s Bridge championship from Witton Gilbert or some such guff next. There’d be a tangible sigh of relief if we were sure you’d packed in ‘blogging’ although I’m sure one of your alternates wouldn’t resist coming back.

  • 90 Roosta // Nov 22, 2015 at 8:58 PM

    If you look at the Toons last 60 games, it has been nothing short of pathetic, how are we going to change this run? i really don’t know, we are not good enough mentally to go on a long unbeaten run simple as, it is a relegation battle for sure, they should be horsewhipped at Greys Monument, they are a total disgrace to our great club, everyone from top to bottom. sick of the bally lot of them.

  • 91 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:00 PM

    Well said benjohnson, our midfield has been a tragic mess for years now. Toonbrother blames Colo and the Blue Sky Parade see nothing but good in it.

  • 92 BandB // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:02 PM

    Angels

    Watch Mitrovic over the next few months.
    He won’t react to the game of Emperor’s New Clothes going on at the club in the diplomatic play-the-game way a western European would.
    I imagine that if he thinks the whole thing stinks, he’ll let his contempt show.

  • 93 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:11 PM

    Munster Mag // Nov 22, 2015 at 7:14 PM

    Jeez the genius of Tuff is here. Sad thing for the anti pardew loons is that smc is doing much worse than pardew did when he arrived. I wonder will he get us into the europa? Or near it. That wud be nice. Oh wait….

    Anti-Pardew Loon = someone who looked at several seasons of incompetent performances, his unprofessional behaviour, and willingness to be subservient to a merchandising remit, who jumped ship anyway and left us with the shoddy coaching staff he had been lumbered with, and concludes he needed to go, for two reasons:-
    1/ all the above
    2/ to highlight the motives of his paymasters by who they would get next, to do all the above.

    Munster still not grasping it. Most of us saw through Pardew and his subservience, and realised the rot descended from above. By replacing him with another desperate yes man it has served the purpose, hopefully, of enlightening the blue sky parade to the fact that Ashley is not the saviour, he is not making luck for nufc, he is not hell bent on winning something, he is just worried about low expenditure, high margins, retailing & advertising and TV income.

  • 94 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:14 PM

    Simple really, all the players are substandard, and those who might have some sort of attachment for the club aren’t really good enough anyway. Ashley has been letting it ride a little too long on the wheel, I think he’ll lose his shirt on this one.

  • 95 GeordieTwo // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:17 PM

    One third of the season gone now with 10 points accrued. Ten rotten points. That indicates a 30 point or less final tally. Another wasted season under Ashley. More excuses to come no doubt. First to go should be Ashley but realistically since the owner can’t be sacked I would first sack that complete waste of space Lee Charnley, bring in a knowledgeable football man, and let him select a head coach. Then reorganize the priorities to build a proper team, not just put a few players in the shop window. None of this will happen of course. Just dreaming of what would happen if we were owned by someone other than a greedy maggot.

  • 96 Jail for Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:18 PM

    I’m not saying Mclaren should be sacked and I’m not saying he should stay, I really don’t think it matters whi they bring in, the place is in a mess, the only managers capable of sorting it out won’t be approached because they’ll want to shake things up and put their stamp on things. People said Mclaren would have had to have had assurances, apart from them promising to spend in the summer I can’t see what he’s made them do different. He had no input on the players coming in, who knows what happened with Collocini, another patsy but this one’s not quite up for it.

  • 97 GeordieTwo // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:25 PM

    Spot on Tsunki @93. Brilliant comments mate.

  • 98 BandB // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:29 PM

    I’ll make the point again.
    Ashley’s creature, Sports Direct, has never been interested in being good.
    It is interested in being profitable, the model being a low cost, high margins one.
    If Ashley has seen a way he could make those margins work profitably for Sports Direct in a lower cost Championship, he will make the value-for-money choice.
    He has always been happy to be king of the market he could dominate, and we would look a rather slicker fish in a division full of towns and cities that these days perfectly understand the need to put cost above style.

  • 99 Sazzer // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:33 PM

    Tried to be optimistic but display yesterday change my mind. If McClaren can’t get anything out of the team against Palace then it’s probably better to get rid so the new manager will have 2 games to get a team ready for the must win game against Villa.

    Carlo Ancelotti is probably the best manager available at moment but unrealistic unless Ashley going to make his own luck from now on.

    Young managers that maybe could raise with the challenge:
    Frank De Boer, Rodgers, Philip Cocu, Van Bronckhorst,

    Experienced managers overall successfull careers:
    Bielsa, Guus Hiddink and Fabio Capello

    Any others?

    Excluded interesting but that seem unrealistic guys like Marcelo Gallardo, Sampouli, Lagerback.

  • 100 GeordieTwo // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:34 PM

    I don’t know what the value meal at McDonalds is these days but you get the equivalent of it when you go to the ground or watch our club on telly. You get something slickly marketed, but at its core completely lacking in any quality. That’s what is on offer with Ashley and that’s all that ever will be on offer. Continue to give him money and he’ll continue to serve you your McNuggets.

  • 101 Mag52 // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:36 PM

    Couldn’t agree more Tsunki.
    Big Mike has played the reds once too often.
    He might now be too late for some sort of high spending rescue act in January.
    We could already be in a downward spiral from which the outcome will be relegation.
    No cheer for the fans in this, but wouldn’t it just serve the b@gger right !

  • 102 BandB // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:40 PM

    And I’ll also say again…
    Ashley won’t be held over a barrel by anyone.
    If all looks lost by Christmas….and I mean lost and not just in the balance….he will sell, not buy.
    H won’t let anyone take Sissoko, Perez and Wijnaldum “off our hands” from a position of weakness.
    Then we’ll bring in the English lower league scrappers so many fans are calling for.
    The cover will be that we need fighters, The truth will be that we are preparing for life in the Championship.
    We are already being softened up for this.

  • 103 GeordieTwo // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:41 PM

    Sazzer, some good names in your list @99 mate but not one of them would consider coming to us right now. We are a reputation destroyer. McLaren will have a very difficult time of it getting any other position with the 15% winning rate on his record after us. The same with Carver. Will either of them ever work in football again after McLaren leaves or is sacked? I wouldn’t bet on it.

  • 104 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:44 PM

    BandB that’s the point right there. If for some strange reason the powers that be decided that the PL was rich enough to carry it’s own weight, and sectioned the bulk of the TV money disproportionately to the lower leagues to improve the grass roots and create more competition for PL places, then Ashley would weight up the cost/benefit accordingly. If he found he could improve his margins by moving down to the championship I have no doubt he would be the man to skilfully steer us there.

  • 105 GeordieTwo // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:44 PM

    You could be absolutely spot on BandB @102. But I think he might finally see the light and go for a solid, capable CB in January. Together with a good LB and some midfield help, and another striker. Another 40M might do it. That is his only other alternative and might save us yet again considering Villa, Sunderland, and Bournemouth are also in the Prem. We could even finish as high as 15th. But I’m not holding my breath.

  • 106 bettyswallocks // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:44 PM

    BandB…… I have to disagree with your point that Ashley would be ok with championship mediocrity.
    He obviously realises that competing with the Sovereign State owners of Man. City and The wealth of Abramovic would mean investing a huge chunk of his personal wealth , which he doesn’t want to do . However life , business and football are competetive situations and I think he would prefer to win. If you put yourself in his shoes why would you not want to succeed in the sport and the business.

  • 107 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:48 PM

    …and that’s the second point right there ha ha 🙂 if there’s one single thing Ashley has managed to do it is divided and deflect. Yesterday there was talk again of us being our own worst enemy by imagining that we were a bigger club than Leicester, Stoke et al. How dare we expect? Let us embrace the joy of trying to finish in tenth place! it’s a dream, yes – but if we can dream it, we can DO it!

  • 108 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:48 PM

    Although that’s technically two things. In one though.

  • 109 BandB // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:50 PM

    Tsunki

    It would be about improving his risk.

    Betty

    I’m sure he would prefer to win. The evidence seems to be that he isn’t prepared to stump up the cost of the ticket for that.

  • 110 GeordieTwo // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:50 PM

    Ashley might actually want to win bettyswallocks but he has absolutely none of the skill and knowledge required about football to do it. He is lost. He hires complete pillocks because he is lost. He will take us down again. It’s obvious and inevitable.

  • 111 GeordieTwo // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:52 PM

    Brilliant comments by many of you on here tonight. It’s a privilege to read them.

  • 112 BandB // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:53 PM

    I’m sure he”s absolutely furious we are not winning.
    I mean, How hard **ckin; ‘ard can it be?”
    Stand t’reason, dunnit?

  • 113 beermonkey // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:53 PM

    tsunki and bandb

    lets not forget the 3 years of parachute payments to help soften the blow when you go down

    g2
    I don’t think mclarens record will be to tarnished when he leaves us
    look a pardews record with losing runs and othe stuff then you have the myler incident and pelligrini

    all through out that the press and pundits and people in the game held him accountable
    the man is good with the press and we are viewed as a poisoned chalice

  • 114 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:57 PM

    Betty you need to read the point more carefully. it’s nothing to do with either the kudos of rubbing shoulders with the big boys, or that the PL is the richest league. For example, say SD rakes in 100m per year in the PL ( TV money advertising, merchandise etc) but the maintenance costs are high say 45 m ( premium player wages and staff etc) and all of a sudden the PL decides it’s time to divvy out cash to the lower leagues in higher proportion to beef up competition. Now say that he could earn 75 m in the championship, but the costs are only 10-15m what do you think a turnaround king like Ashley would contemplate? Just an illustration, but I’m sure you see the point.

  • 115 GeordieTwo // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:57 PM

    You could be right beermonkey mate @113. But I think it all depends on the next few months if McLaren is with us that long. If he continues at his current pace with us, and after the debacle at Derby he might find it difficult to convince anyone he isn’t a big part of the problem. Anyway, sadly I think we’re going to find out the hard way.

  • 116 bettyswallocks // Nov 22, 2015 at 9:59 PM

    Geordie two……… He may have realised that trying to run the club like a discount sports shop won’t work and has delegated accordingly. The wisdom of his choices to run things on his behalf could be another huge mistake.

    BandB….. I think he will allow the income of the club to be re invested. It won’t change his life at all even if the proceeds are totally wasted. This puts the onus on The board to spend wisely which is what he said he expects.

  • 117 JamesToon // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:00 PM

    Sazzer

    I feel like we need a young flair type manager like pochettino who’s going to put fight back into the players,
    as you said, de boer, bielsa, sampaoli, gallardo i think would be alright but i just can’t see us going for them with our track record of managers

  • 118 JamesToon // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:01 PM

    still gonna back mcclaren he needs to think of a solution quick otherwise we are going down. Need to buy some major quality in january as well

  • 119 toon kk // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:02 PM

    Of course Mash wants to succeed, but he’s used to running SD and not a football club, SD supplies tat at a affordable price. His total lack of football knowledge has had catastrophic consequences on our club, in his eyes a player is just a player with hopefully a profit to be made. We will go down but its been coming for some time.

  • 120 beermonkey // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:03 PM

    g2

    the only way he will leave is if he walks the club wont sack him not once did the club ever consider sacking pards infact they never even thought about him leaving

    what was it the club claim that in times of trouble they would rather help and give the manager what he needs rather than sack him
    I don’t think this will have changed

  • 121 bettyswallocks // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:04 PM

    Tsunki…… These amounts are not a priority to Ashley in the overall context of his life and business dealings.

    He is not deliberately trying to give us a losing football team, but he can’t seem to find the right formula to succeed on the pitch without it costing him a fortune. I do believe he’s trying though.

  • 122 Munster Mag // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:05 PM

    Tsunki, Anti Pardew Loon equals:

    ( By the way , I do acknowledge and agree with some of what you say )

    ….A whining whinging miserable fan who CANNOT accept that despite all the crap under Pardew ( and I know there was plenty ) that…

    – When he came we were mid table, and when he left we were mid table
    -He’s an average manager , not a useless one
    -Because useless ones dont get clubs into europe
    -And useless ones dont leave clubs mid table, only for them to collapse when he is gone
    -And useless ones dont save Palace ( despite the many numpties on here screaming that palace were gonners whe he joined them ….jeez their football knowledge must be called into question, eh ? )
    -And useless ones dont have Palace mid table now
    -And smart fans realise that in the REAL WORLD, employees dont go pubic and slag off their bosses and lose the best gig they will ever have.
    -And smart fans never really loved the guy ( I felt he had qualities but wasnt up to much overall, despite what low hanging fruit like Tuff say ) and hated some of the self love he gave off
    -But smart fans also realised that from the time he was compromised by the Carroll sale, and saw the seperation between his football philosophy and Carr’s , and the poxy budgets, that he was never going to get beyond mid table again.

    And do you know what ? We still had fans moaning about him when we got 5th. I presume these guys wanted Bobby Robson sacked aswell …

    I wudnt have him back, but mid table looks really nice right now.

    As for SMC, the time is coming to pull the plug on this possession football nonsense , sack Carr, the useless De Facto DOF, disband the board and get Benitez or Favre in charge.

    Some chance.

    Time for a drink, i need one.

  • 123 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:05 PM

    Honestly I can’t believe there’s talk of a replacement Manager. it’s not happening. We will get a change of mask is all, so forget your dreaming. If January goes by without some major midfield and central defensive purchases, take up brace positions.

  • 124 GeordieTwo // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:08 PM

    I’m not sure beermonkey mate. Even Ashley will have a panic point. I think he decision to keep Carver on last season nearly got us sent down. If he sticks with McLaren and we continue to hand near the bottom his panic button will finally be pressed. I think it might come in December. I’m predicting 5 points or so from the next 6 matches. That might force Ashley’s hand. Anyway I agree he did remain convinced that Pardew was our man until Percy finally abandoned ship. Let’s see what happens in the next few matches mate.

  • 125 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:09 PM

    Said it before, saying it again. Pardew, Schmardew. We now have Pardew Two so we’ve enough to worry about. I’ve no doubt when he finally does leave he will be guiding Middlesbrough to fifth spot while we are still in the bilge with Alan Curbishley at the tiller

  • 126 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:12 PM

    Betty at 121 – agree with with second part, but not the first. Ashley makes money because he loves it, all of it down to the penny, and if he can make it in an easier way he will do that.

  • 127 BandB // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:12 PM

    Dear God,

    Please don’t give us regional devolution.
    We’d vote for Ashley and Pardew in charge, wouldn’t we?

  • 128 Munster Mag // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:13 PM

    Jail, certainly agree there. The moment I read re Colo getting the contract I just though ” oh no, SMC has joined the boys club, or cant have viewed the match tapes of the last 2 seasons ” . It was a disastrous move but Ashley has 3 pets at the club – Colo, Charnley and Carr. Old Man Carr is the main man at that club.

    1. he decides who we will buy
    2. He therefore has a serious input on our playing philosophy ( such as it is )
    3. He will choose the next manager, just like he chose SMC.

    Charnley isnt capable of this, Carr is the man. And he’s about 90

  • 129 Jail for Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:15 PM

    Bettyswallocks,
    What bit don’t you get, he’s not at all bothered about pitch side, it’s the SD advertising that counts, he almost had a winning team, he took a calculated and spiteful decision to make sure it couldn’t win any more, it wasn’t about money, there was plenty there when the honey pot looked like disappearing, do you think a failed Championship manager was brought in to take us to the next level ffs man !

  • 130 toon kk // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:16 PM

    What many seem to forget Pards had to make do with MA budget signings and our best players being sold, so he played by what he thought was best for the players we have, we struggle with pace and passing capabilities so he played to our strengths, hoofball. Not good but it worked to a certain extent.
    We are a weak side there’s no getting away from that.

  • 131 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:17 PM

    Munster, the last thing I’ll say to kick a brick out of your mid table when he came and mid table when he left wall, is that Pardew left because he saw what was happening and could smell a relegation battle. He left Carver holding you baby. He caught himself a decent break. If he stayed I’ve no doubt our run in would have been just as perilous.

  • 132 Jail for Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:17 PM

    I know Munster, you said !

  • 133 jimmysmith // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:23 PM

    Ashley comfortable with Newcastle in the Championship. That’s a fairly remarkable suggestion, considering what happened last time, when we kept who we could, and came straight back up with a record number of points, and that we’ve just spent 50 million quid on the back of Ashley himself going on the public record, and with SD going from strength to strength. If you were going to have a punt, it’d surely be on Ashley and co quite simply not being that great at running a football club.

  • 134 Munster Mag // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:24 PM

    Bollocks Tsunki. You are now saying Charva is on the same level as Pardew the King 🙂 . Sorry dude, cant agree. Charva was awful, but there again, both men were dealing with a bunch of players who are soooo hard to motivate. I mean, how would any man motivate a tool like Sissoko consistently? And how would any man get Thauvin to front up? On I forgot, Catchy thinks he has never hidden. How did Carr think this was smart business ????

  • 135 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:24 PM

    We will all see what comes out of the wash come January. This is the definitive window to winkle out Ashleys motives. If we get a lacklustre couple of signings and maybe a ‘purple’ or two on the move or even just hawking themselves for a move, the game for big fat Mikey will be up. Even the Blue sky parade won help rearrange the deckchairs on this sinking ship.

  • 136 Sack Llambias // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:25 PM

    Jail
    You need to come up with something constructive to be called a fan. It’s one thing to be anti Ashley but yr supposed to support the team cos that’s what fans do. Your not helping the cause much though by your daft comments again today. You just like a moan.
    Let me give you some ideas as to what fans who get football might say. The service to Mitro was lousy but why take him off.. 2 goals down two goals down. Cisse needs service. Perez was lazy and had a poor game but De Jong is finished. Why try to play with wide midfielders as wingerss . Well jail it’s cos overran and Aarons are always crocked .

    Fans might think you know summit on football if you suggest dropping Dummy for Mabbu left back. You don’t watch football I’m told but against Chelsea he was good. Mac laden has not covered himself in glory but you’ve not either you’ve got to up your game or your going to be a laffing stock I’m told you will be a phariah on rthe blog. Shape up or shape out.

  • 137 BandB // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:26 PM

    Munster

    Pardew is a genius!
    He joined us as a washed up manager, and left as a potential future England one.
    He’s a man who wouldn’t choose a bar stool if the light didn’t pick out his best side.
    I am sure he’s absolutely thrilled to have male fans.

  • 138 bettyswallocks // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:28 PM

    Jail……… I can’t agree that he’s not at all bothered about what happens on the pitch.
    His priority is obviously SD but I’m sure he would rather have a winning team as well as advertising his main business.

    I think you have missed the point as to how wealthy this man is. He would love to have a self funding successful football club and he is tinkering with the finances and operating team to try and achieve this. I can’t accept that he wouldn’t care if we got relegated . It would surely dent his personal pride.The man is a heathen but not a loser.

  • 139 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:29 PM

    Jimmysmith, missing the point mate you need to read what was being said.

    Munster what? I’m putting Pardew on the same level as Carver? How did you contrive that logic? Carver was even less capable than Pardew. And Pardew would have struggled. That’s not me saying carver was anything.

  • 140 GeordieTwo // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:33 PM

    We’re in the muck for the remainder of the season. Look what happened after Ashley actually forked out 50M last summer. We’re still a complete disaster. The money wasn’t spent to generate a good all round side though, or we would have brought in at least one more very good CB and a good striker like Austin come in. Instead we fiddle about bringing in another MF, Thauvin who has been a disaster. The whole club is rotten under Ashley and won’t change.

  • 141 Jib // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:35 PM

    I love the Irish way with words

    “Low hanging fruit like Mr Tuff”

    That just cracked me up 🙂

    Well said Munster

    The rest of the stuff on here is just another Sunday evening after a defeat , it reminds me of insect noise in the tropics.

  • 142 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:35 PM

    This llambias is it Ian? What utter codswallop! Are you calling out someone for not being a fan with that load of tripe as ‘ evidence’ . Are you arguing about what wallpaper to put up in a condemned building? Honestly if your’e going to target someone for a personal vendetta, try a less puerile argument. ( eyes rolling here btw)

  • 143 GeordieTwo // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:36 PM

    Yes bettyswallocks tinkering for 8 1/2 years now and all of it has been a complete failure. He can’t resist selling a good player whenever possible, and he doesn’t want enough success to get to the Europa league again. What exactly does he want? We’re never going to be top 4 or 5 with him so it can’t be Champions League he’s after. That only leaves bottom 10, but above relegation. That’s all he wants and all we’ll ever get under him.

  • 144 Sazzer // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:37 PM

    JamesToon and GeordieTwo
    I agree with both of you. It’s a real struggle to come up with realistic and exciting names that could come and sort this mess up and that the board would even consider.

    However, I do think it’s more of opportunity than a reputation killer for some of the foreign guys. Considering Frank De Boer for example would always be welcomed back at Ajax even if he failed miserable here.

  • 145 martoon // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:37 PM

    Evening gents – I don’t like to comment too soon after a match – I like to reflect and avoid a knee jerk reaction.
    Leicester are a good team but we made them look like world beaters. There was no spirit or fight and I blame this on McClaren – he is a relatively new manager and the team should still be playing for him but they didn’t seem to give a monkeys. We might not have the greatest defenders but they should mark strikers in our box – very poor coaching.

  • 146 BandB // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:42 PM

    Yeah mister!
    He went thataway!
    Honest Mister!

  • 147 bettyswallocks // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:46 PM

    Geordietwo……… One would hope that people learn from their mistakes. The more a self made, I’ll do it my way , stubborn individual fails to achieve success in a field that is not his domain then surely by trial and error things will eventually improve.

  • 148 GeordieTwo // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:47 PM

    Spot on martoon @145.

  • 149 toonking // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:49 PM

    Ed change the name of your website.

    http://WWW.pardewblog.com

  • 150 Jail for Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:49 PM

    Sack Llambias,
    You can’t help it can you, I don’t watch football ‘so you’re told’ Your mate Ian Toon is very fond of saying ‘so I’m told’

  • 151 GeordieTwo // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:51 PM

    You would think so bettyswallocks @147. I would have believed that 3 or 4 years ago, but not now. This man won’t change. For whatever reason he’s not going to sort the club out. Ever. Carr is past it, Charnley shouldn’t have a position, and McLaren is wasting his time. The players look like they couldn’t give a hoot. It’s criminal what has happened to the club and people just shrug, pay their hard earned money and watch dross.

  • 152 BandB // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:55 PM

    G2 @151

    Your ‘spot on” will be reciprocated sometime pretty soon I imagine.

  • 153 bettyswallocks // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:01 PM

    Geordie…….. I think we can now only gauge Ashley’s intentions by the amount of money he makes available.
    We are all agreed that he has no idea how to produce a winning football team and I think he realises this himself.
    If the people he gives the money to don’t produce the goods then they are to blame.
    This is assuming he does make funds available. We will have to wait until January now for the next instalment.

  • 154 GeordieTwo // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:07 PM

    Again, excellent discussion this evening. This is what I come on here for. Not insults etc. Thanks for the thought BandB lass @152. Bettyswallocks, I suppose we can wait until January. But this story is getting fairly old by now. It’s always the same. Let’s wait until the next window. To me it seems clear that the current executives aren’t up to it and the club will continue to flounder until Ashley sells up.

  • 155 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:08 PM

    Ray you pop up like the little kid behind the bully egging him on. You`re quite used to our usual post – defeat sundays, are you? You`re the red sock in the blogs wash full of whites. Your wisdom is as lasting as your laptop battery and your inability to be embarrased by your ever increasing roll of fails is staggering in its fortitude. Vanish into your cheap cider you hypocritical invertebrate.

  • 156 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:10 PM

    Geordietwo – not insults? Oh. Sorry.




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