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Some Strange Comments From Steve McClaren

10:02 am, Sunday, November 22nd, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 106 Comments

Steve McClaren was interviewed on BBC Newcastle after the surrender yesterday to Leicester City and that wasn’t the first time this season we’ve raised the white flag before the end of a game.

Newcastle were pitiful and no better than we were two weeks ago when we scored with our only shot on target at Bournemouth to get a 1-0 win.

Yesterday it wasn;lt until the last 20 minutes that we had two shots on target but didn’t score for the seventh league game this season – and we were taken apart 3-0 at home in front of 50,000 fans.

It was a disgrace and more of this kind of stuff this season will see us relegated – and rightly so.

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Steve McClaren – with a choke hold on himself yesterday
Yes – it was that bad

Steve McClaren was asked if the win at Bournemouth hid what was really a poor performance from the team.

This is how McClaren answered that question:

“Absolutely. Absolutely right and got punished against Leicester.”

“We didn’t get punished against Bournemouth but we got punished today. You think that is a one-off display v Bournemouth and buoyed and get a bit of a belief from the win.”

“I understand the fans’ frustrations and annoyance, we know it is not right and we have asked for patience…that performance is not acceptable.”

“The thing about this crowd is – forget the entertainment –  forget the winning of games – if they see application and effort…they didn’t really see that today.”   Why not?

“Every game you look at your opponent and roll your sleeves up. That is what we must do, week in week out.”

“We stressed a lot of things already and we will stress a lot of things Monday to Friday, to make sure we are ready for next Saturday.”

“It is character, it takes men, it takes a lot of ingredients and we are aware of where we are.” It’s the worst start in the league in our history.

“We know there is talent and ability in that dressing room and certain characteristics have to come out, to make sure you get out, stay out and get to number one. Leicester have shown, there is the example to them in there.”

“That is what can happen here and I can’t wait for Monday morning and getting back to work.”

Those comments after another poor display are getting a bit repetitive, tedious and even a little strange.

At some point, McClaren has to take almost complete responsibility when his team doesn’t show up for a game.

That’s what happened yesterday – and not for the first time this season.

But maybe it’s just me – frustrated, worried and even angry at yet another pathetic and hapless performance from this Newcastle side.

This year has been a really tough one for Newcastle fans – that’s for sure.

Tags: Coaching · Management · Newcastle News

106 responses so far ↓

  • 1 cyprus // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    How can a team that played that well vs. Stoke, City (1st), Soton (1st), Norwich, etc. play this bad?

    Blame Ashley and the rest, ok.

    How is this the most unpredictable team in the league, as far back as I can remember? That’s the crazy one. Change of owners, personnel, it stays the same: Inconsistency.

    No one has ever blamed the tea ladies… Maybe ?!

  • 2 Ron Knee // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:07 AM



    Yes, but the parasite sets the budget and targets to be achieved, and appoints our joke of a Board.

  • 3 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:07 AM

    Btw vardy is the quickest PL player and sissoko our nearest is 19 th. Just a stat. I know.

  • 4 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:08 AM


  • 5 John Tudor // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    get out now

  • 6 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    Ha Ha let’s get a crew /mob / rabble / shower / collection / gathering / ensemble / herd / movement / crowd etc. together 🙂

  • 7 cyprus // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    How do you get hired as an NUFC tea lady? What kind of connections must you have? Are the place of birth and allegiances triangulated?

  • 8 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:11 AM

    Repost that one, one Alan shearer.

  • 9 John Tudor // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:11 AM

    true geordie puts it succinctly

  • 10 lochinvar // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:11 AM

    Cyprus – can’t blame the tea lady as at least she had the bottle to resign ( ok she retired and will I know be sorely missed )

    What happens if you cross David Ike with Duty Dawg do you get Steve McLaren ?

    It’s all becoming bizarre and we are only one statement away from something to rival Cantona. ” if the Tyne flows backwards we can all have more fishy on a dishy ”

    I feel like it’s not real, a bad trip, one too many sherbets, an alternative place but it’s not and that’s the scary part.

  • 11 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:12 AM

    One Alan Shearer

    Our budget is nowhere near Leicester’s, yet they have a manager who gets the team playing to the sum of it’s parts, playing like demons for each other.

    They didn’t waste obscene amounts on cabella, Riviere, Thauvin etc. 30M + just there on french playboys.

    Carr is looking more and more accountable now.

  • 12 lochinvar // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:12 AM

    # Deputy Dawg

  • 13 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:12 AM

    Cyprus you must be willing to work zero hour, zero pay, and hit the minimum wage only when you hit the 20,000 cups served / year target

  • 14 Tsunki // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    Dismantle the board and it’s grasping remit!

  • 15 Average_Contents // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    The malaise?

    Direct from erm….shite defect.

    So direct from the slug himself.

  • 16 Jib // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:16 AM


    My posting of the pic was in response to these two posts

    (JDdubai // Nov 21, 2015 at 8:43 AM
    I saw Colo at LB and moved on tbh.

    Lindisfarne // Nov 21, 2015 at 8:46 AM
    JDdubai – I don’t have a clue about the back four to be honest.)

    It was an (awful) attempt at humour and more of a pop at Charnley than you.

    Sorry if it caused offence

  • 17 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:16 AM


    You’re just tiresome, period. If you actually looked at the points I raised I was largely agreeing with you muppet.

  • 18 lochinvar // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:17 AM

    Read McLaren’s statements again – he’s lost the plot , lost the players, lost the fans.

  • 19 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:20 AM

    Maybe we should get some more coaching staff from Derby come January…and maybe promote our new secretary to board level!

  • 20 Lindisfarne // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:22 AM

    What went wrong on the pitch was:

    1 – Using a high defensive line and general frailty. In an attempt to control the ball in midfield the back four pushed up and were unsettled when facing their own goal.

    2 – Sloppy passing, again, which gave away possession to readily and in vunerable positions on the pitch. Sucking the defence forward.

    3 – Ulloa started for Leicester, giving them a solid anchor in our third which they could dependably pass, or he attracted defenders and created space for his team mates.

    It was like turning up to a firing range with a sawn off shot gun, hitting everything with little penetration and creating an absolute mess.

  • 21 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM


    It’s very easy to Brit bash as our record for the last god knows how many years shows.

    Some like mag 52 would love to see a foreign coach like a Martinez fail just to prove a pathetic xenophobic point.

    Garde has taken on a club 4 points adrift before he got there. Hardly a fair comparison.
    I would love to see a Ranieri, Pochetino, Klopp come here and if they fail fair enough, but like the English rugby team picking an aussie with a proven track record, we are crying out for change.

  • 22 magpie6699 // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:23 AM

    To call yesterday’s performance rubbish is an insult to rubbish. Yes Leicester are a solid team with pace but we showed zero skill, zero desire and never looked like a team in any way. I excuse Rob Elliott who did make some decent saves and had no chance with the goals and I also think Anita tried to get some tackles in – but 2 against 11 is never going to work The rest were absent (Mitro, Ayoze, Gini, Sissoko etc ) or pathetic (Dummett etc. If we happened to string 3 passes together it was a fluke. Hopeless, useless and joyless. Merry Xmas!

  • 23 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    …damn it! We did that already!
    What about getting someone in with tourettes syndrom who cannot pronounce anyone’s name?

  • 24 Lindisfarne // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    Jib – thank you and despite my request slightly unexpected. My simplistic expression about the back four is due to the lack of available quality and little opportunity of improvement. A fact Lee ‘Penfold’ Charnley has no clue about , agreed.

  • 25 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Ready for next Saturday – give it a rest.
    Yesterday was a continuation of the Bournemouth game 1 shot on target give the ball away when in possession (could of got thumped) and now we have got the loosing mentality back – go one down throw the towel in.
    Don’t need the best players to get out of this mess we need 11 fighters on the pitch and on the bench NOT the gutless SHITE trolled out yesterday.
    As of Riviere I thought he had something about him only didn’t bring his scoring boots with him – but his movement link up play was excellent with Perez – much better than the statue that is Mitrodick

  • 26 Jib // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    A few random thoughts

    It’s way too early to be talking about sacking the coach , that’s what clubs like Sunderland do.

    Everyone in the game and their granny acknowledges that Cathro and McClaren are good coaches.

    We have played well at times this season the last two shockers don’t change that.

    Perhaps the Francophones have been more affected than we thought (Brussels was in lock down yesterday and Anderlechts game cancelled)

    There are certain posters on here absolutely revelling in NUFC’s current plight and constantly posting , this is strange behaviour for a genuime fan. Band B , Mr Tuff , Ibiza , and Jesper to their credit have hardly been on .
    Whereas Tsunki has verbal diarrhoea , very weird.

  • 27 John Tudor // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:34 AM

    jib the master of bates

  • 28 AncientC // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:38 AM

    Let’s see, we finished last season the worst team in the division. The answer? 4 senior players were let go in the summer… 4 players came in. One 21 years old, another 20. Then we have the suspect Thauvin deal, a player so badly out of form he was being chased out by Marseille fans, not forgetting he wanted nothing to do with Nufc when he signed for Lille.

    Wijnaldum was the only player signed that you could call senior material.

  • 29 Jib // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:41 AM

    Mark Douglas in the Ronnie Gill today

    “Newcastle’s problem – well, the main one anyway – is that they are trying to play possession football without a midfield that is comfortable in possession. Moussa Sissoko isn’t, Cheick Tiote falls short of the mark and Vurnon Anita will never offer the creativity of a Cabaye.”

    Hard to argue with that

    The reason he mentions Cabaye is he is looking at our match against Palace

  • 30 Lindisfarne // Nov 22, 2015 at 10:44 AM

    From memory is it two years ago that we put in a run of 6 (?) wins and have been unable to repeat since, or even come halfway close to?

    I wish Ed would stop referncing AP leaving to the beginning of this miserable episode. It makes me wonder if we are paying for being too good under KK1 as it does seem that the resulting decline has been due to incompetence. Whether that is over or under paying for players, Managers with millstones around their necks and business models that can fail to a greater or lesser degree but always make money.

  • 31 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    Well…I do have a life 😉

  • 32 anthc // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:08 AM

    Strange comments, the man is a public speaking clone of pardumb. Judge me after 10 games err no 13 games. Our performance wasn’t good enough back to work Monday blah blah blah. He’ll be putting his Dutch accent on next!
    I thought the game was disgusting and fans should be reimbursed their hard earned cash.
    Anita was playing sweeper yesterday wtf? Gini sissoko were missing so no wonder our midfield was garbage. 100k a week champions league football? Moussa needs a reality check and brought back down to earth with a massive bump. Utter dross yet again and playing good for half matches here and there isn’t good enough. Mclarens on borrowed time with me and Mr carr needs a rollicking too with the money wasted.

  • 33 John Tudor // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    his time was up when he started the verbal stuff that comes from his anus

  • 34 banjax // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:15 AM

    McLaren’s post match comments took a third person angle, as though he was looking in at the cretinous display like the rest of us and as if he was shocked and surprised like the rest of us. This reality detachment from McLaren is very disturbing since he is supposed to be the guy who gets us out this shit. He can’t just meekly state the performance is unacceptable, he does this every week. We need and demand decisive action from the owner. Lee Charnley and Steve McLaren need to go, they have had their chance. Liverpool, West Ham, and Leicester all acted decisively in the Summer and look at their status now. We need to employ winners to run our great club, people who show ambition and hard work to get the results Newcastle United badly need. Time is wasting and inaction is crippling our club ! Time to crack on Ashley !

  • 35 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:26 AM

    banjax…exactly! How can one expect to have a club with winner mentality when those running the club have pro forma goals each season which does not not to be reached!

    …and when not reached there’s no consequence what so ever for those in positions with what was suppose to be responsibility!

    In my book McClaren is just as big a joke as Pardew and Carver! I don’t know why they are here for a owners standpoint. I don’t get the common argument that they are shielding Ashley (they are costing him money in the process).

    The big question is what are they (McClaren and Pardew before) getting in return? Maybe it’s just the case of opportunists seeing an opportunity. Remember it did turn out better for Pardew 😉

  • 36 sparky55 // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:31 AM

    I’ve not been on all weekend because I’m so disappointed and gutted.

    I wasn’t expecting much because I could see what was going to happen if he picked the same team and played with a high line…which unfortunately is exactly what he did…so not surprised there to be honest…but absolutely gutted that as a team there was no fight, no spirit, no cohesion and it didn’t look like they had a plan… even though I’m sure there was one of sorts…

    I can’t find the words to express how poor they were yesterday and how predictable the way we lost was.

    I said the day he was appointed I was completely underwhelmed and we paying some lots of money whose only success was at constantly failing…well guess what lads…has hasn’t changed, nothing has changed…he isn’t going to deliver

    So IMO we should sack him today to give the new coach time to assess the squad and have some input into who we buy in January instead of management team buying numpties and ‘potential’ instead of people that can do a job in a specific role on the pitch

  • 37 toon kk // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:34 AM

    There’s a lot of questions need to be answered at the club, starting with why aren’t the players match fit? Why the loosing attitude? Wheres the motivation? Why all the poor scouting? Why keep players that aren’t premier league quality? Why not play to Mitrovic’s strengths.
    The list goes on.

  • 38 sparky55 // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:35 AM

    If ashley really cant see he needs to spend big money on a proven coach and give that coach cart blanche on who he brings in staff wise and player wise then he really is stupid.

    He knows what at stake here and he knows how much income he will lose if we go down…so why he puts up with this sh!te I just don’t know

    Maybe not so clever after all

  • 39 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:36 AM

    sparky…I am not advocating anything here, but you’ll never see Ashley sacking McClaren let alone Charnley!

    …that’s how sad Newcastle have become!

    …and predictable!

  • 40 John Tudor // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:37 AM

    one good thing showed exactly how shit colo was and sisykoko and gini need i go on

  • 41 firebug666 // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:37 AM

    We are in serious trouble now, the improvement we thought was there has simply vaporised (if indeed if ever existed).

    The players we have seem to have no desire at all, they lack ambition, doubt their own ability’s, have no pride in their club, and are being lead to the slaughter by a sacked championship manager who seems to be clueless as to what he should do next.

    If we are to be relegated this season (and that seems very likely now) don’t look to us coming back up at the end of next season as it simply won’t happen. Most of the rubbish we have now will jump ship, and what we will be left with will just not be good enough.

    This is a serious situation for a club like Newcastle, Fat boy has no desire to sell his cash cow, he will keep us treading water in any league so long as he gets his pay off, and he will always make sure that come first.

    We are in no position to attract good or proven players, they will go to teams like Swansea, Bournemouth and Leicester while we will take what’s left, but only at a knock down price, and put the player on a knock down wage.

    We were told that things would change this season, and they have…. Sadly not for the better!

  • 42 stuart no9 // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:40 AM

    ive said it once and ill say it again – we have no leader on the pitch , that equalls no bollockings , no organisation , no respect, no passion, no one to grab the game by the scruff of the neck roll up the sleeves sweat blood and die for 3 points . untill we have a warrior , we are nothing

  • 43 John Tudor // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    we only buy crocks

  • 44 sparky55 // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    jesper…surely at some point he’s gonna see his master plan version 1354 isn’t working and isn’t going to work even if does throw much more money at this manager.

    50 million and 5 months later and SM’s making Carver look good.

    There is far too much to lose financially by going down and even the arse of our famous gambling owner must be starting to twitch now.

    Owners that make the tough decisions to get rid of sh!te quickly are the ones that survive.

  • 45 AncientC // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    Where is this passing game that was supposedly being coached into the side. I knew nothing about Cathro, but those on this blog that did assured us he was a possession type coach.

    Janmaat was woefully out of position nearly all game, but you cannot blame Janmaat for doing what he was told. Route 1, Janmaat down the wing and knock it into Mitro – plan. B, what plan B?

    This side looks as disorganised as ever. The RB playing as a Winger, one of the CM playing as a RB. Sissoko playing like he was the right side of a 3 upfront, when he wasn’t slotting into CM. Perez apparently part of a 2 man strike partnership dropping into midfield. Elliot flailing his arms at the team wondering where to put his goal kicks.

    There is absolutely no way this side has been working on their passing for the last 2 weeks. They are not coached well enough to win a Thursday night 5 a side game against a bunch of locals.

    The stats show that Janmaat is good for assists… okay, let’s have Janmaat crusade down the flank instead of working on build up play.

  • 46 sparky55 // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:46 AM

    And i’m not even going to bother to go on about our soft underbelly organised by our esteemed captain who for the record has the worst defensive stats in the premiership bar none.

    The man is liability and needs to be dropped with immediate effect

    We are still leaking over 2 goals a game and I DON’T CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS…if we leak 2 goals a game we don’t have the firepower to score three a game so we are going down.

    Something has to change now…and the manger has to go

  • 47 AncientC // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:48 AM

    As for Anita & his toe-poking passes, don’t make me laugh. “He is a technical player, he played for Ajax you know.” The only thing Anita is technically good at it is staying on his feet and giving the ball away when attempting a through ball.

  • 48 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:48 AM

    Whoever we buy – could be Messi , Ronaldo et-al wouldn’t make a jot of difference – soon would be brought down to our level of apathetic SHITE.
    I don’t think it is just the players – there is a malaise – couldn’t give a monkeys running through the club and it STINKS

  • 49 firebug666 // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:54 AM

    Well if this sort of performance continues, then I feel an uprising is not far off.

    The fans gave the inept one a little time before sharpening the pitch forks and lighting the torches, but then the inept one had a better win record than this imbecile that has us teetering on the very edge of oblivion.

    I don’t think the imbecile will be afforded that same time scale, we are not performing as a team, there is no evidence to show that the coaching and tactics work, simply put we are going backwards (without a single step forwards).

    Now…… Where did I put that tin hat?

  • 50 JamesToon // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:55 AM

    The squad needs serious overhauling of prem quality and experience and needs to be built around Mbemba/Wijnaldum/Pérez/Mitrovic

    It’s so unbelievably unbalance at the moment.

    Not enough leaders, not enough pace, not enough strength, not enough creativity with attitudes of putting their balls on the line.

    I honestly think we need to look at the top 10 clubs and look at their fringe players I.e players who are of prem quality and experience but will leave their club sooner than later, an example would be Andros Townsend.

    Jovetic, Navas, Flamini, Austin, Long, Mikel, Remy, Lovren, Carrick are just a few I can name that would improve our squad

  • 51 John Tudor // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:57 AM

    the owner needs removed stay away ffs

  • 52 Novocastrian66 // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:58 AM

    We were terrible yesterday. The biggest problem is; there isn’t any competition for places. We were shite against Bournemouth and got away with a win. We played the same team yesterday and guess what? We were shite again. In all honesty what were the options to change the team? None. The players know they will play regardless of their performance and that is a major problem along with the fact that they couldn’t give a flying fart.

  • 53 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 11:59 AM


    If you were a genuine fan you would acutely feel the frustrations and anger most of us on here do, rather than keep trotting out the jam tomorrow routine, which has frankly worn very thin over the last 8 years.

    Face facts:

    Carr has wasted fortunes.
    Charnley can barely negotiate buying a newspaper
    SM is another in a long line of people with no really credible CV for doing the job
    Ashley is a man who has employed JFK (a man with vascular demetia) twice and has Wonga as our poster boy sponsorship. Good job fella…And on and on and on!

    I used to not believe the stuff in Ash’s shops were all tat but when I think about it everything I ever bought there in the past has fallen apart!!

  • 54 toon kk // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:00 PM

    We are only capable of winning a handful of games in the premier league with our pathetic bunch of no hope r’s and we’ve already lost one of them against Sunderland.
    There needs to be a massive clear out at our club what ever happens.
    But I put our form down to the cancer deep inside of the club, MA and his clueless side kicks creating a want away attitude.

  • 55 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:04 PM


    Point is Leicester cost a fraction of our team.
    It’s not always about the money. Our team has little to no evident team spirt whatsoever and hasn’t for a long time.

    The insane pursuit of playboy thauvin over proven CBs and LBs is testimony that carr must get the push. Riviere, cabella, Thauvin etc, it’s beyond a joke now.

  • 56 Jib // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:04 PM

    Three times last week (once on here and twice on the TV ) I heard people suggest the same thing.
    They acknowledged McClaren’s coaching skills while also saying maybe his man management skills on matchdays are not up to scratch.
    They suggested that perhaps McClaren needs a manager figure above him.
    One guy on the BBC mused whether McClaren and Moyes could work together.
    After this weekend Rafa Benitez could be in the job market soon !

  • 57 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:05 PM

    Think Carver is coming on BBC Radio five live – MofD 2

  • 58 stuart no9 // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:06 PM

    sparky— a new captain is must, we will have to buy one coz we havnt got one.
    Yeah probably impossible to buy an experienced captain now , but would John Terry allow this to happen at chelsea , or kompany- rooney- ashley williams at swansea , these guys want to win and if they dont , they will make sure they go down fighting and the difference Ryan Shawcross is making to the stoke defence since his return from injury is there for all to see , a leader who will sweat blood for the sake of a few points , We have got nothing like that in the dressing room. no one comes close.

  • 59 OneAlanShearer // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:07 PM

    Rotonda. Carr is asked by Ashley to find players on a budget. Of the 4 he bought in the summer thauvin is the only one who is yet to improve the side. Before that he was asked to perform miracles on half that budget. Hence we ended with some good players who we then sold which left us with the players that couldn’t cut it. This all stems from Ashley who has since tried to distance himself from all this. He created the mess. Now he needs to get us out of it by funding the same sort of buys weave I’m the summer and possibly more. Granted Lcfc have a great manager I honestly think he’s one of the best out there. UNderestimated because he doesn’t make a song and dance about it. Pearson created a balanced side already, they were incredibly unlucky if you watched them last season. The tinker man just played them the right way. This team will win the odd match but with a weak spine it will concede goals and not create enough. Schteve is a good coach. Back him and we will do well. I can see what he’s trying to do but with the spineless cowards we have backing up 4 decent players I doubt if sir Alex ferguson could get them playing well. It was the same with pardew. Ashley provided a squad which was full of gaps but at least then the first xi was not full of has beens. If we buy players I honestly think schteve will turn this around. He’s looking at things analytically but if you asked him off record I bet he’d say the same. Provide the tools to fight with and watch the results improve. People even use Simpson as an example to hit him with bit he was a reasonable fullback for us just got a nose bleed after the half way line. Whoever we buy must fit a system. Buy freakin leaders with experience. That policy of not doing that has brought us here. See Mr Ashley for All this. I actually think he knows it now as well.

  • 60 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:09 PM

    James toon

    Townsend is an english obertan and Pochetinno saw that very early. Mikel is way past it. carrick is 35 and getting quite injury prone these days. Lovren has been found out after one good season at Soto. Remy is the ultimate mercenary and will hardly improve team spirit. The others on the list possibly.

  • 61 Lindisfarne // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:10 PM

    Saying to the press that we did not play well against Bournemouth but stuck to our principles and managed to win. Does not excuse sending out the same players with little more instruction than carry on and do the same.

    Deplorable coaching and an unrealistic assessment of what it would be required to defeat a team in absolute top form. No knocking them out of their stride, breaking the game up and making it difficult for them. Consequently we were exhausted by body blows, knock down by their first killer punch, dizzy and outfor the count long before the final bell.

  • 62 John Tudor // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:11 PM

    you keep thinking those positive thoughts and see where we end up

  • 63 AncientC // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:11 PM

    Have fortunes been wasted on players?

    Prior to the last transfer window, the club had did not have a positive net spend on players since Ashley’s ownership. The club made more from sales than it spent on players for that entire period.

    If you look at the last transfer window, the club finally produced a net spent, and as per the rumour, this is likely because of player prices increasing next year with the Premier League becoming richer.

    Quite a lavish window, investing in players that can hopefully increase in value. The Cabella money will be coming in soon, we should also have funds from the Sissoko sale this coming July – that should help balance the books. Meanwhile Charnley will be pressing Carr in his gentle but firm ways, hoping to find the next Jack Colback type deal.

  • 64 Blofal // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:13 PM

    I think we should sell Sissoko. He is one of our better players but for me he just doesn’t excel anywhere and unbalances the team because of it.

    I think a big reason we have gone 4-4-2 is because Sissoko is best out wide. But we are failing badly using that formation because our central midfield just isn’t good enough. But where else do you put him? He gets lost playing defensive mid. He isn’t a number 10. And he is too good (within our squad anyway) to bench. So we end up sticking him out wide right… then Wijnaldum gets shunted out left which isn’t his position either.

    The midfielders we have available right now:

    3 CAM – Perez, Wijnaldum, De Jong
    1 RM – Sissoko,
    2 CDM – Tiote, Anita
    1 LM – Thauvin

    Those players really don’t suit 4-4-2.

  • 65 John Tudor // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:13 PM

    Macca Alzheimer Roolz

  • 66 John Tudor // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:15 PM

    sissykoko is a bum
    give him away but no-one will have him

  • 67 Jib // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:16 PM

    Unlike Pardew , McClaren doesn’t need the money and will walk if he thinks he cannot do a job , he has done it before.
    It’s going to be really interesting to see the type of player we buy in January.
    I hope the coaching staff are at Benton today having a crisis meeting about what they are trying to do .

  • 68 Rotonda heights // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:16 PM

    One Alan

    I think SM may have been / is a good coach but I don’t think he is a very good manager. He seems as bad as AP for playing people out of position. Selling Kemen and Abeid and oviously not being a fan of Aarons hasn’t helped either.

    Also like AP there seems no obvious plan B and at times scarcely a plan A. Surely a good manager is someone who can get the best out of people and as AS says we were woeful, inept….etc, etc…

    Yesterday, as with AP previously was not a team playing for the manager and that is very very worrying.

  • 69 toon kk // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:22 PM

    To win games you need class strikers, we’re relying on kids who have potential, but certainly aren’t the finished article, to attach hard you need pace, we lack it and any team needs a strong defence we haven’t even got one. Thats just the basics. Then there’s our poor fitness levels and loosing attitude.
    no wonder we’re struggling.

  • 70 stuart no9 // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:24 PM

    Rotonda—-And he cant get his team to look interested on the pitch , one of the strengths a manager MUST have if he or the side is going to achieve anything . WHY are the team lacking desire ? managers job.

  • 71 OneAlanShearer // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:25 PM

    I’d be beyond shocked if we could attract motes or benitez to this poison chalice. Buy leaders on the pitch as once the cross the white line it’s their responsibility to keep heads up and in the game. Colo has never done that. He might be wise in the dressing room but he’s quiet as mouse on the pitch.

  • 72 Blofal // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:36 PM

    toon kk you’re right

    We don’t have any clinical finishers in our team at the moment. Cisse was in his first season but isn’t anymore. Ba was. Cabaye was clinical. Remy was too for the short time he was here.

  • 73 micktoon // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:36 PM

    I dont post much but thought i would have a rant on how i see things, 1 Ashley is going nowhere so we have to deal with it. 2 We need to stick by mclaren and cathro they have inherited a team that should have been relagated with no passion and pride the have had no say on who came into the club in the summer if we believe what Carver said these lads (mitro, wini, mbemba, thauvin,) were already on there way courtesy of mr Grahme Carr who also scouted Cabella, Goufran etc 3 Penfold is just a door opener who hasnt a clue about football and how a club is run, he is just another fall guy if things go wrong who was given a huge opportunity in a top job.4 for me what we need is to support mclaren and co but give them the cash to allow them to dictate there own destiny on how this club should be and if they fail then so be it. 5 Change the scouting network in place it is failing buy experience ie charlie austin is proven, buy young like eric dier or deli ali good english talent with hearts, to many people are fall guys for people like grahme carr who are doing a poor job but are hiding away. end of rant

  • 74 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:36 PM

    Sparky…all the people Ashley seem to appoint cost him money where they shouldn’t!

    …and we also loose more money on transfer dealings than we make!

    It’s all a shambles.

    First step would be to hire someone with pedigree in running a business / football club. Preferably with new ideas.

    Second step would be to hire a capable manager with better staff than what Derby can produce.

    Third step would be hire a scout that actually scouts players that fits into the concept we play.

    Fourth step would be install a board with actual goals and not these pro forma goals we are seeing with the current board!

  • 75 lochinvar // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:48 PM

    Highlight of yesterday’s game – clapping Vardy because it warmed me up .

    Surprised our players didn’t do the same.

  • 76 usmagpie // Nov 22, 2015 at 12:53 PM

    I just watched the interview on BBC with SM.
    I’m sorry I know its not good giving the manager a chance to build things etc. But honestly he needs to show some anger, he was talking about getting back on the training ground on Monday and start the fixing process. WTF why are they not on the training ground Sunday, after the Phucking load of crap I watched he should have walked in the dressing room and said ” Listen here you shower of Shite, no day off tomorrow get you Phucking Arses on the training ground at 8am sharp tomorrow you bunch of Phucking Pansies. Sir Bobby must be turning in his grave watching that shower of Shite. I don’t care if we go down against another team but when we go down against another team and show no Phucking heart then that drives me Phucking Nuts. SM stop hugging these lazy aholes and lets start losing your temper and getting crazy with them.

  • 77 Moonraker15 // Nov 22, 2015 at 1:02 PM

    I wish the True Geordie could do the team talks haha he says it all !

  • 78 Roosta // Nov 22, 2015 at 1:03 PM

    Can we avoid the drop??? i really don’t know, our mentality is so bad, we are so inconstant you would not believe, even if we do. its a rebuild job for next season, and the process starts again, i would say we are only evens to avoid the drop, the mackems wee quoted last week as 1/7 to go down with Paddypower, are they much worse than us?we do deserve to go down imo even at this stage we are a shambles, three youngins, Arma Mbabu n Aarons MAY HELP US AFTER XMAS, HOW SAD IS ALL THAT.

  • 79 JamesToon // Nov 22, 2015 at 1:06 PM

    Graham Carr needs to go i think, getting suspicions that he was just as much of a crony as Jimenez/Wise was, anyone remember the Gonzalez incident? I feel like thats whats happened with thauvin, why would anyone one go buy thauvin who had a terrible season last season, when there’s payet for around the same price who was statistically the most creative player in europe??

    Big bucks, I’m talking £60/70/80million needs to be spent on quality and leaders. starting with Granit Xhaka

  • 80 mindshaft // Nov 22, 2015 at 1:09 PM

    woeful display , janmaat needs to be taught how to defend and I was surprised how easily Vardy wrong sided Mbemba – he must have done it 20 times and still Mbemba didn’t learn
    Our midfield neither helps defend as a unit nor gives any service to our attackers – I barely noticed them although Anita was playing midfield and right back due to janmaat hanging around the halfway line !

  • 81 JamesToon // Nov 22, 2015 at 1:09 PM

    When will the crisis stop, when will we actually stop going in mid season every season thinking what a shambles we are and how we are going to get relegated?

    When is it that people are going to start talking about newcastle in the same way they do about everton/spurs at the moment?

  • 82 JamesToon // Nov 22, 2015 at 1:10 PM


    kept seeing this tactic of when in possession anita plays as right back and janmaat plays right winger, kept getting caught out

  • 83 AncientC // Nov 22, 2015 at 1:15 PM

    3 wins in 24 games, inconsistent we are not.

  • 84 JamesToon // Nov 22, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    We need a manager with good credentials, i’d like to think someone like Carr will be able to spot a pochettino esc manager like Cortese did at southampton.

    We need someone with a distinct style and is capable of being both a coach and a manager, only manager’s i’d take over mcclaren right now are:

    Frank De Boer
    Marcelo Bielsa
    Jorge Sampaoli

    we need a south american manager who plays a pressing/attacking philosophy, emphasises development on youth players, along with better players.

  • 85 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Nov 22, 2015 at 1:33 PM

    Jeff…the difference in this job and the jobs McClaren have had earlier is – at least this is my opinion – that at Newcastle there are no goals for him to reach!

    …he can basically screw up and keep his job at the same time! Why would he walk?

    The reason why managers walk is down to them fearing the sack and cannot handle the pressure!

    The only pressure McClaren has here are from us fans…and I think he can handle that. It’s not like we are making a big fuss!

  • 86 Thump // Nov 22, 2015 at 1:34 PM

    @JamesToon: I think the reason Janmaat is being told to get forward is purely on the basis that we don’t actually have any width. We’re playing with two CMs on the wing and as such we need somebody who can get forward and whip in crosses, because of that setup, we have no creativity in the midfield, so our game is run forward and hope one cross hits the proverbial penny.

    We look flat.

  • 87 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Nov 22, 2015 at 1:48 PM

    anyone think the foreign players do not want to play for a English Manager/Coach.
    ie stuck in old ways

  • 88 toon kk // Nov 22, 2015 at 1:48 PM

    James toon
    while I agree a different manager with different ideas would help, first we need to look at our team, I’ve said it for a long time its simply not good enough. So many say we should do this and that but without the players we are limited, most of our players are too slow and are forever chasing shadows. Who’s our top goalscorer? Where’s our pace on the wings? Who’s our top defenders. No management can cure those problems. We need Carr replaced for a start, millions are getting wasted.

  • 89 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Nov 22, 2015 at 1:52 PM

    Play Mbabu at right back and put Janmaat on the wing should be the first move that gets done against Palace

    Janmatt can create and is better going forward and Mbabu has pace and loves to defend

    This 442 is not working because we are getting outnumbered in the middle

    This blog will go into meltdown next weekend if we get spanked off Palace !! Cabaye to tear us apart Jeez !

  • 90 AncientC // Nov 22, 2015 at 1:59 PM

    I am not sure that was a 4-4-2 yesterday, what is was I have no idea.

    An unsymmetrical 1 wing-back formation with 2 holding midfielders and two number 10s possibly.

  • 91 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Nov 22, 2015 at 2:02 PM


    To be honest I only say 442 as thats what was on the team sheet before it started god knows what our tactics are as I only see one thing that we try:

    Its give the ball to Janmaat or Perez on the half way line and let them make magic happen while everyone else just stands still and if that doesn’t work pass it back to the keeper and let him launch it to Mitrovic

    In fact its the same tactics and playing style as Pardew and Carver nothing has changed

  • 92 JamesToon // Nov 22, 2015 at 2:04 PM

    Toon ok

    I agree better players is first and foremost, but what I’m trying to say is that I just don’t think sacking mcclaren and getting in someone like moyes/Rodgers etc isn’t going to be any different. If we’re gonna replace him it needs to be a decent foreign coach.

    I think we need to go with 4-2-3-1, stick to it but don’t play it in the same way we did at the start of the season, it was always colback pressing and leaving Anita exposed and getting overrun. Look at the way Spurs play 4-2-3-1, they’ve always played that formation under pochettino never once changed it all they have done is make minor tweaks. The striker and attacking mid need to press together with wingers tucking in to make the team compact and hard to break down. While in attacking sense the number 10 needs to make more runs beyond Mitrovic. Needs to be a better game plan in both attack and defence

  • 93 nightfa11 // Nov 22, 2015 at 2:05 PM

    I dont think carr is doing a bad job.. Our best players are perez, Mbemba, mitro and winaljdum.. He only got it wrong with thauvin.. As for older signings.. Rivi is crap..But his stats in france were good, so we cant blame carr for that..goufrann was good..One of our better players when he arrived.. Until pardew started playing him as rb.. Cabella.. Well..again..He was good in france..worth more than 7 mio at the time..etc.. I think the main problem is mclaren..I like the guy..But it appears hes past it.. And other signings.. Sissoko, debuchy, cabaye, haidara, Colback, Janmaat, tiote, perez, etc..all good signings.. Worth more than we got them for..

    Carr only got it wrong with thauvin, cabella, rivi, marveaux and in my opinion Anita..But like i said..they were good players in their countries.. The only player we overpayed based on his old performances was thauvin.. And Obertan was pardews signing..

  • 94 bettyswallocks // Nov 22, 2015 at 2:11 PM

    Ashley has gambled with our PL status for years now and tried to achieve results with minimum spend as a kind of crusade to try and prove he can do it his way .
    In my opinion he has realised that now the rewards are bigger and as other teams are upping their game he has accepted that we need to reinvest the clubs income into the team.
    I can’t believe that if he could choose between a winning team and a losing one that he wouldn’t prefer to win.
    We are all aware of his first love and priority but to flirt with relegation every year can’t be what he would choose.

    He has neglected serious investment for many years but he has apparently now allocated an ongoing budget to spend on the team in future Windows to go with the last spend.
    We have to hope that he will allow the club to spend enough to add the players we so obviously need.
    However Ashley doesn’t choose the players, coach them or pick the team and the method of play.
    If we continue to fail then obviously Charnley and co. must be held accountable.

    Mc Claren must be well aware of the team’s deficiencies by now and surely he can see that we need an experienced striker with pace, some midfielders who are comfortable on the ball, if he wants to play possession football not to mention a CB and a proper LB.
    We should also note the transformation in the attitude of the Liverpool players who are now playing with a high energy intense style with midfielders moving forward as a unit.
    McClaren understands the game but it remains to be seen if the players will respond to him. January will tell us a lot more in many areas.

  • 95 Roger // Nov 22, 2015 at 2:24 PM

    I think it`s enough now. It`s enough with Steve
    Mc Laren a head coach for the ass.
    He is not able to form a team and the team is a group
    of loosers, send them all to hell.
    Not Ashley is the bad man, Ashley don`t play on the
    bench. Yesterday you can count to three and the ball
    is away. No real chance in the whole game.
    This is a team for the league one or two, but never a
    team for the premier league and the coach, terrible,
    look at other teams with not the history of Newcastle.
    It`s so poor. In january sent all the players who cannot
    play football the hell, Thauvin, he`s laughin about his
    shit he plays yesterday. And all the others, not only one
    is good enough. And the future, next game in Palace,
    lost, then Liverpool, wins against Man City and then
    Aston, i think we loose all thres games and our possition
    is number 20.
    Next year reincarnation in championship is the best way,
    with a new team and a coach, who is a coach and not
    a looser like Mr Mac.
    I´m again so angry.
    Greetings to all people in Newcastle who leave the
    stadium early yesterday. Boycott to the team, and to the

  • 96 AncientC // Nov 22, 2015 at 2:34 PM

    LCBP – I am seeing little change from the Pardew/Carver/Stone set up, a higher back line perhaps, but it is the same old mistakes.

    Favouritism, lack of rotation, sticking with a system until it fails horribly then changing it again, repeating that cycle.

    4-2-3-1 failed miserably, 4-4-2 showed some promise but was will no doubt be changed for the Palace game.

    I am not willing to accept the players are not good enough, between first 11, the players out of loan, the reserve side and the subs not being played – there has to be a good side in there somewhere…. better than 3 wins in 24 anyway.

  • 97 toon kk // Nov 22, 2015 at 2:36 PM

    First and foremost our players should be fitened up. Most look absolutely nackered come half time. Macca needs to get far stricter with them. They should have been made to go into training at first light this morning and made to do so until everyone sees at least a massive boost in effort. Give them time off if and when they earn it. They badly need a kick up the arse.

  • 98 toonking // Nov 22, 2015 at 2:54 PM

    I didn’t get the chance to watch the match yesterday but based on what i’ve been reading on this blog i’,m glad i didn’t.

    we’re a sh1t team from top to bottom.

  • 99 toonking // Nov 22, 2015 at 3:00 PM

    It might have been against ourselve but i’ve got to give varde praise who’s managed to now equal van nistleroy’s record of 10 goals in 10 games having came up all the way down from non league.

    upcoming decent players might be few and far between but it’s not impossible and the benifit with these players is football is always played for pride, players like this will put every bit of effort into a game something most our current batch don’t show any sign of.

  • 100 Mister Tuff // Nov 22, 2015 at 3:00 PM

    Nobody knows exactly what Carr’s remit is.
    Does he always reccomend second raters.
    Has he reccommend some stars that “the board/aka Mr Tubbs” have vetoed.
    If so how often has this happened.

    The clubs refusal to state what their past mistakes were, in this sceptical period only promotes the belief that nothing has changed.
    If they admitted what they were and how exactly they have changed – what would be the problem – it would demonstrate that changes are being made.
    Bottom line for me is the say the have made mistakes – but won’t say what and who made them – they might have changed – but to what.
    With their track record they could even be now following even more erroneous policies.

  • 101 toon kk // Nov 22, 2015 at 3:08 PM

    Mister tuff
    what is apparent with Carr is everyone brought in has to have potential sell on value, even quality free signings are overlooked if there wage demands are to high. Theres obviously several clueless people running our club or we wouldn’t be in the mess we are..

  • 102 optimistic prime // Nov 22, 2015 at 3:36 PM

    My selection to improve the team and club.

    GK-Ashley out.
    LB-Ashley out
    RB-Ashley out
    CB-Ashley out
    CB-Ashley out
    LW-Ashley out
    RW-Ashley out
    CM-Ashley out
    CM-Ashley out
    CF-Ashley out
    CF-Ashley out

    Charnley Carr Ashley and the rest of the merry men out.

    The club is rotten to the core

  • 103 Jail for Ashley // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:02 PM

    I seen a post from Bambams earlier that said Ashley won’t want to see his brand associated with a struggling team, this gross misconception has kept far too many people believing in the self made Billionaire for far too long. His brand is tat, Bang and Olfsen produce classy advertisements to sell classy, well made and expensive kit. SD is tat, absolute garbage, price tags are illuminous and hand written in marker pen and the place looks like a jumble sale, his television adverts have to be the cheapest made adverds in the history of television. You do not need to be in the top half of the table to sell that cheap sh!t. What matters to him is having that logo beamed out world wide everyday of the week and it doesn’t matter one iota where we sit in the league, as long as we’re in it.

  • 104 sing in the corner // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:03 PM


    I too was thinking Benitez will be unemployed soon, and I would move heaven and earth to get him here if SM does walk or Ashley changes his habit and sacks him early.
    Not that I think he would fancy our ‘ project / package’ (poisoned chalice).
    Charlie was somewhere close in my opinion, when he talks about a malaise running through the club. From what I saw of the game, admittedly only highlights, I was astounded at the lack of attitude and application of some of our big name / highly paid ‘stars’. And sorry to all the fans still sticking with Colo – he was shockingly poor again, especially second half. Running through quicksand, chasing shadows in slo – mo, or not for the first time, standing on the point of the six yard box looking at the ball with players unmarked strolling in behind, queuing up at the back stick. Just look at that 3rd goal man!
    Not that he is the only one by any means, but he is the experienced captain everyone takes their lead from…?

  • 105 SPRINGY // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:19 PM

    afternoon all,
    still cant believe how poor we played yesterday,no quality in passes,control,movement…..a piss poor attitude to work rate,willingness to try… one word clueless…cant see where many points are coming from between now and new year….can anyone realistically see anymore points before new year???

  • 106 TroubledToon // Nov 22, 2015 at 4:36 PM

    Haven’t been on the blog since the game started. Was too depressed… Don’t have words to express how lousy and gutless the lads were yesterday.
    Id like to bring back the whole boycotting discussion that we had earlier. I honestly think that’s what’s best to get that Fat sonofabitch and his tools outta the club. I know that there are those who feel that boycotting wudnt help, but honestly, ticket sales will only help Mike Asshole and no1 else. And for those of ull who feel that players need the support, then if they have performances like yesterday, where they played like 11 bitches with their knickers pulled up their arses, then honestly it wudnt make a difference whether ur in the stadium or not.
    Still, for those who would like to go into the stadium, how about demonstrations similar to those when Pardew was there. All said and done, something’s gotta give. Either Ashley changes the way the club is run, or we as fans need to give him a kick up his fat ass and chase him out…

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