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Newcastle Proving Einstein Was Right In This Definition

10:07 am, Tuesday, December 1st, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 73 Comments

When Alan Pardew walked out after the last game of last year – a 3-2 home win over Everton – it was thought by most that his time at Newcastle had come to a natural conclusion and it was time for both Pardew and Newcastle to move on.

It was an excellent chance for Newcastle to get in a top manager, even though it was half way through the season, but that didn´t stop Newcastle from letting Pardew go.

We got some compensation from Crystal Palace for Pardew and the club took it and then thought who they may bring in – in that order.

Lee Charnley even unwisely admitted at the time that Pardew leaving was a shock and he had no plans to fill the vacancy.

mike ashley lee charnley last game west ham

Mike Ashley and Lee Charnley
We must have been winning the game

So after looking around a bit he put John Carver in charge and John did kind of OK in his first four league games in January with 4 points and a good 3-0 win at Hull at the end of the month.

At that time, we had 30 points from 23 games and no relegation worries at all.

Then everything went pear-shaped and John not only started to lose games but said strange things in his press conferences which couldn´t have helped him with relations with the players:

  • The players are not good enough for Newcastle and we´ll sell them in the summer
  • If only they had my passion for the club we´d be OK
  • Mike Williamson got himself sent off deliberately
  • I´m the best coach in the Premier League  (said in early May after losing eight games in a row)

Those comments are probably because it was getting all too much for John Carver but did Lee Charnley do anything about it – no – he did nothing – absolutely nothing.

Before the last game we had one point out of the previous ten games and we were very lucky to survive relegation last season and John Carver would have been gone long before the last game if he was at any other PL club.

Mike Ashley came out just before the last game and said he wanted to win something and money would be available in the transfer market.

We expected John Carver to be fired and he was – along with Steve Stone in early June.

So then we had a great opportunity of getting in a top coach – but what happened – we appointed Steve McClaren when he became available – after being fired by Derby County in late May.

And Lee Charnley thought he could be successful at Newcastle?

Newcastle seemed more concerned about getting a manager in who would accept the way the club was being run – than a good manager who could make a difference.

That´s what is so worrying about Newcastle these days.

One of Albert Einstein´s many inciteful statements he made during his life was the following:

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”.

That´s Newcastle all right – the system has never worked – yet  we keep with it and it could yet take us down to the Championship for a second time.

Newcastle could do a lot worse than changing things so the manager (or head coach) is the one chooses the players coming in – like in the old days.

This is a poll we put out in early April as Steve McClaren was continually being linked with the club as Lee Charnley´s first choice according to lots of reports.

Do You Want To See Steve McClaren As Newcastle's New Head Coach?

  • No (73%, 6,518 Votes)
  • Yes (27%, 2,462 Votes)

Total Voters: 8,980

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And this is a poll pout out after we survived relegation on May 24th.

Should John Carver Now Get Head Coach Position?

  • No (97%, 9,064 Votes)
  • Yes (3%, 233 Votes)

Total Voters: 9,297

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So fans were not too happy at either John Carver´s appointment or Steve McClaren´s appointment.

And now it looks like the whole thing is going pear-shaped again – for the second time this year and fans don´t think Steve can turn things around.

Can Steve McClaren Turn Things Around At Newcastle?

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We probably shouldn’t hold our breath in case Steve McClaren is replaced because who will Charnley bring in?

Your guess is as good as mine, but good managers like David Moyes and Brendan Rodgers are probably personalities too big for the current Board to handle and they probably wouldn´t put up with the way the club is being run.

And so we continue to drop down the football ladder with other smaller clubs like West Ham, Southampton, Leicester, Crystal Palace, Watford, Stoke and West Brom making great progress as we continue to founder.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Coaching · Management · Newcastle News · Poll · Premier League

73 responses so far ↓

  • 1 AncientC // Dec 1, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    Good ol’ Jib would prefer to talk tactics and favourite players whilst the club sinks.

    “I think you are an ostrich – your head must be in the sand. Is your head in the sand?”

  • 2 Bambams // Dec 1, 2015 at 10:26 AM

    The problem is Ashley is too stubborn and thick skinned.
    He knows best in his head and diverts the blame to ‘People I have put in charge’
    The man and our board are amateurs in a big professional league.
    We have Moncur on the board with Charnley. ….Nothing against Moncur but what can he bring. No other club in the world would have a set up like this and the players know it.
    Colocini will be the next one offered a place at the table for his ‘Leadership Qualities ‘
    Unless Ash changes quickly we will continue in the same way – downhill…

  • 3 lesh // Dec 1, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    From previous: Can anyone realistically expect to hear anything from Charnley when his vocabulary probably extends as far as “Yes Mr Ashley, whatever you want”?

  • 4 Bambams // Dec 1, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    Precisely ….
    Just a mouthpiece for Ash

  • 5 Jib // Dec 1, 2015 at 10:35 AM

    You silly little drama queen
    The club isn’t sinking
    The team’s playing shit is all

  • 6 MacToon // Dec 1, 2015 at 10:39 AM

    I’ve seen this suggested this morning and it’s already been planned for a while, this Saturday morning in town:

  • 7 anthc // Dec 1, 2015 at 10:41 AM

    Getting pish poor lower league managers and expecting different results correct.
    Buying unproven young talent thinking they’ll set the league on fire, correct.
    We are a shambles, disgrace and embarrassment to the league. I’m one of the deluded idiots who was a bit optimistic at the start and for some insane reason renewed by ticket. I’m not the only one to hand over my hard earned cash use work holidays to go to games and give up my Saturdays but I’ve had enough. To all the I told you so fans yes you were right are club will not change till ashleys gone along with all the management and ex players who sold their souls. I’ll take all the stick because I deserve it. I turned up every weekend expecting results to change so I guess I’m insane when it comes to supporting this club!

  • 8 AncientC // Dec 1, 2015 at 10:41 AM

    Jib – 3 wins in 25 games…

    This club is on life-support and the generator is about to blow out, meanwhile you want to talk about the decor.

  • 9 anthc // Dec 1, 2015 at 10:48 AM

    Sorry but if under serious threat from relegation which looks more likely every week then are club is sinking. Success starts on the pitch which keeps you in the top leagues where the finance helps succeed at the business end. This is not a one off its been coming the last three seasons because we don’t improve or even stand still for that matter we get worse. How many teams spend 50 million and become worse?

  • 10 Jib // Dec 1, 2015 at 10:53 AM

    Quite right success starts on the field .
    That’s why I’m talking selection and tactics , not beating my breast and wailing to the skies like a big soft lass .

  • 11 hibbitt // Dec 1, 2015 at 10:57 AM

    jib……what you know about tactics and team selection could be put on the back of a stamp….WUM

  • 12 Jib // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:01 AM

    There you go !

    MacToon who hasn’t posted for weeks.
    His first post is a link to a twitter account with connections to the Shop Stewards Network !!!!

    This has nowt to do with footy !!


    I don’t give a rats ass how the bloke in the next seat at SJP votes !

  • 13 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:03 AM$$nyoemp&&91C16pgaEeWPHRLiLCu6pw$$

    Looks like Williamson is back ! Drop Colo and put him next to Mbemba at least he can defend !!

    See Klopp is wrapping Coutinho up in cotton wool so he will fit for our game ? They dont look the same team without him would love him not to make the game !!

  • 14 Jib // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    Hibbit you are entitled to your opinion about my footy knowledge but KEEP POLITICS OUT OF SPORT

  • 15 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:04 AM

    This is a blog about Newcastle United, the whole club and all to do with the club. It isn’t just a blog for what happens on the pitch. most people posting today are posting relevant posts regarding the club and issues that are linked to the club.

  • 16 MacToon // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    Here’s your footy talk then Jiz, Mike’s been called back from his loan spell. We’re saved.

  • 17 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    Panic over, Williamson has been recalled from Wolves. We are saved….

  • 18 optimistic prime // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    I saw the reports of Williamson being recalled, is it true.

    We can’t be that lucky Schteeve is gona drop Colo.

  • 19 Jib // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:08 AM

    Never figured you as naive Alex !
    There are folk on here with a different agenda.
    They only emerge from the shadows when NUFC fare badly , who knows maybe you are a fellow traveller.
    I only ever talk sport on here.

  • 20 jayphoto // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:10 AM

    @lesh- thats a bit unfair, i’ve got it on good authority that Charnleys vocabulary streches to milk,sugar aswell as apologising that he didn’t have enough change to get biscuits

  • 21 MacToon // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:11 AM

    I had no agenda but to point out what had been suggested and discussed earlier on this blog has already been planned for this Saturday.
    Jiz, you are a priceless contributor here. legendary status tbh.

  • 22 Jib // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    For a few weeks now I have felt there is some sort of power struggle going on behind the scenes at NUFC and that maybe the players have got caught up in it , such a dramatic loss of form needs a better explanation than International breaks and terrorism in Paris .

  • 23 croftus5678 // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:14 AM

    in my view macca’s not done much wrong its just the players dont like playing for him ! i like his set up and the way he’s handled our youth’s ect and would be more than happy if our current players woke up and though ye i will play for macca from now on !

    can i see it happening ….not really ! hope i’m wrong mind but i cant see us getting any points any time soon and selfishly i think a new manager may get that initial boost that may keep us up in the prem more than the gamble of keeping macca.

    it may be rash and we do have over half a season and a transfer window to plug that dreadfull cb position but every point counts now imo.

  • 24 The overrated Frenchman // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:17 AM

    I never knew Albert Einstein was inciteful…

  • 25 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:18 AM

    Naive? What is your point? Are you saying talking about the clubs worst calendar year on record doesn’t merit a discussion on what the owner is up to and what fans could do to try and bring about change?

    How long do you propose the current bad running of the club is allowed to continue before something is done? Where is the improvement, the growth and development that McClaren and the ‘new’ board were aiming for? If anything things have gone downhill in recent weeks.

    You talk of pragmatism and aiming for a draw every game, is that the height of your ambition for the club? We are a club in transition, show me where the transition is? What has been implemented that is taking so long to change anything? Liverpool transformed in no time at all, West Ham transformed from a terrible second half to the season last year.

    The style isn’t improving, the players aren’t performing, and McClaren is looking like a man who can’t cope more and more. He accepted defeat at half time, hoping to limit the damage. That is embarrassing. I was happy to give Steve a chance, but what have you seen that makes you think he can salvage anything from what is already looking like another wasted season – at best!

  • 26 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:27 AM

    I’ve given my opinion many a time on what I feel McClaren should do to change things, on which players need to be pulled out and given a kick up the backside. What has McClaren done? Zip, stuck to the same system, picked the under performing players continually.

    Actually, that is wrong, he singled out a young kid, new to the Prem and dropped him as a response to 2 garbage performances. Ignoring the fact it is his system and selection that is stopping any service into him.

  • 27 martoon // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:27 AM

    croftus5678 @23 – It’s hard to know why McClaren would suddenly lose the players after a promising start and after a few games. I have to say I wonder if Jib @22 is right there is something going on behind the scenes affecting the players. This is where a sharp, insightful reporter would be able to tell us but we only have Lee Ryder 😉

  • 28 optimistic prime // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:27 AM

    Lack of leadership at the club is the problem at NUFC.

    The owner has no real Intrest in the club other than to promote his brand and wants nothing more than to tread water or as fans see it stagnate.

    The board is for show and has no real power or say in the direction of the club.

    The manager and coaches have limited options to choose from and don’t have any say in who they get in. They are left in a situation were they have no power or sway over the players due to it being virtually impossible to drop them, and the players not being the coaches choice makes them less likely to play for him.

    The players have been bought to pay for the team and not play for it.

    We have a team (I use that term loosely) who’s main motivation is personal performance to get the move they were promised before they signed.
    Improvement of the side is sixth or seventh on club priorities when signing.

    Ashley wants nobody at the club who could unite it!
    He doesn’t want a manager the fans could get behind or a leader on the pitch that players and fans could get behind.

    There’s no comunication because there’s nowt to say, same old same old is a pretty boring statement to hear from the club so they say nowt.

    No one os allowed to have any sort of power that could jeopardise Ashley’s control over the club!

    NUFC, no more heroes

    Ashley out!

  • 29 BandB // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:29 AM


    This is Jib’s idea is it?
    Good old Jib!
    He was mocking it as tripe yesterday.

  • 30 Shot Bru // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:32 AM

    Awesome, Williamson returns from loan!

    This must be part of the horse and cart plan Big Mike was on about…or the cart and horse?!

    Or just the return of our resident carthorse CB!

    Poor Armstrong must be dreading the inevitable early recall from Coventry!

  • 31 Jib // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:36 AM

    Lilo the naive comment was not related to any footy issues , on those you can leave me standing .

    However there are occasional posters on here who do not give a fig about the club in reality , who are only interested in giving Ashley a hard time.

    Commendable as that aim may be , in my opinion that is not what an NUFC blog is for.

  • 32 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:37 AM

    What the F**k goes on at the TOON – Williamson recalled because Lascalles has a hamstring injury

    couldn’t make it up could you
    Injuries, injuries, injuries …

    Us and Arsenal always top of injury league
    Got to be something wrong with the training facilties

  • 33 Jib // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    Changing my name to Jiz Ha ha ha very funny very adult.
    In reality it is spelled JIZZ

    No what I mean – nudge nudge wink wink !

  • 34 Jib // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    Know even

  • 35 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    I’d say those that come on to have a go at Ashley aren’t a problem. For example, MacToon was a regular poster and posted about football quite often. He is now fed up with a lot of things at the club that all boil down to Ashley.

    A lot of NUFC fans share the same frustrations, you just need to have a quick look at pretty much every NUFC related comments section or blog. Those who want to focus on Ashley and bring him down are all over.

    He owns Newcastle and any discussion about protesting to target Ashley to enforce change is very much a topic for a NUFC related site.

    It would be wonderful if the club were in a position that enabled all focus to be on the football side, but they aren’t and haven’t been for a long time. It is only to be expected after the clubs performance in 2015, and much of 2014, that people are focussing on the decision makers at the club and demanding answers and change.

  • 36 The overrated Frenchman // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:49 AM

    I suppose endorsing the atomic bomb was inciteful, when you think about it….

  • 37 John Tudor // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:50 AM

    jib the poliTIC

  • 38 lesh // Dec 1, 2015 at 11:58 AM


    The last thing we need’s an Ashley Out campaign – he’ll just dig in all the more.

    Change the focus of demos to Please Mr Ashley, change your NUFC ways’ or something like it outside SD stores and it may just have the desired effect. Can’t see it but a different approach might have some success.

    And, like the Pardew Out campaign, I can’t see a SMcC out capaign achieving anything

  • 39 Jib // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:01 PM

    I guess you have a fair point.

    My ire was raised not so much by Mactoon as by a certain Mediterranian islander who last Spring was telling the good folk of Newcastle city and it’s environs to man the barricades and fight to the last man and bullet against wicked Ashley.

    Then this morning has to ask what a spelk is !!!!!

  • 40 Rotonda heights // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:11 PM

    if willo is the answer what the hell was the question

  • 41 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:17 PM

    I must have missed that this morning when I had to nip out to collect the dog from the vets. Still, I don’t see that there should be a hierarchy of fans based on locality, attendance, birth right etc. I don’t have an issue with a poster from a Mediterranean island making his voice heard on how he feels about a club that we all support. He has just as much right as anyone else to condemn Ashley and try and garner support for a movement to attempt to facilitate change in either policies or owners.

    I have never agreed with the idea of a sustained boycott. But I would back occasional boycotts of individual games as a wider campaign. Each to their own, and whilst the Mediterranean Island dweller you speak of argues his case, others who disagree are equally free to make their feelings known.

  • 42 terencelim // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:22 PM

    Ashley OUT is the only answer for all questions.

  • 43 BandB // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:22 PM


    If individuals in large numbers concluded of their own free will it WAS time for a sustained boycott, would you then speak against it?

  • 44 BandB // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:25 PM

    If you were here, living in Newcastle now, what would you be doing?

  • 45 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:27 PM

    I wouldn’t agree with the method as I don’t believe a sustained boycott on its own will have the desired effect, but I wouldn’t be opposed to people trying it. Exactly the same as last season. We discussed this at length on a number of occasions last time round, and my thoughts haven’t changed on that.

    It isn’t the idea of a boycott as such, I just don’t feel that a boycott will get the result that people want. Just as it didn’t last time round. We got a bit of lip service from Ashley, but no real action. I said at the time campaigns and pressure should be maintained until he has actually made changes through actions, but it wasn’t and he was given time to implement changes that never happened.

  • 46 BandB // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:28 PM

    Because many thousands are already on a sustained boycott. Are they wasting their time? Are their actions counter-productive? Harmful to the club? Is it, ultimately, what fair-weather fans do?

  • 47 croftus5678 // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:31 PM

    @35 lilong

    forgive me as i’ve not read all the post so may be just reading what i have come across but are we blaming ashley for our current state here ?

    i’m def no fan of ashley and he’s made us look very very foolish over the years and shows he knows nothing about football and only uses it as a business oppertunity.

    i can not really fault him this season though with all respect ! he’s listened to us fans and decided to stay away from the club and not get involved (which i think we pretty much all wanted) and he’s also prob for the first time i can recall broke our transfer policy’s by not selling our better players and actually spending money on a higher class of player than what we are used to (and we can not really fault him if the likes of mitrovic/wijnaldum/mbemba/thauvin do not effect things as much as we fans expected them too can we)
    he also got rid of his pet pardew after month’s and month’s of fans crying for it and i dont think many expected that either even though we did force the matter !

    imo the right moves was made at the top apart from not signing that 2nd cb we all wanted but then we was expecting at least our better players to try which they have not been a lot of the time.

    leadership/effort/motivation/passion from players needed and a manager who can get 100% out of the players is needed imo as i see enough quality in our team to be top half if they only pull their fingers out.

  • 48 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:32 PM

    If I was living in Newcastle now? I’d probably be trying to facilitate change in the running of the club, but would look to do more than just boycotts. I think pressure has to be applied from many different antes, but also there has to be an option for a way out – either through open round the table discussions between heads of fans groups and the club, or through a buyer being there to pay the going rate and give ashley his way out without losing face.

    The first would mean Ashley completely changing tack, and the more vociferous and anti Ashley fans accepting that we can find common ground. The second would mean having to promote a way forward to potential buyers of the club, and a way they can work with the fans and the right buyer coming in. Little point swapping Ashley for someone like Vincent Tan for example.

  • 49 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:40 PM

    Yeah, many on a sustained boycott have been replaced by fans who are more placid. Has it had any effect so far? Not that I have noticed. Will it in the future? Who knows, but I don’t think it will.

    Has he stepped back from running the club? I doubt it. He didn’t sell our best players because most of our players won’t have attracted any bids sufficient to get Ashley interested. He brought in 4 more expensive buys, but hardly pushed the ‘making our own luck idea’. Not enough was done because he had continually left the club short over the previous years.

    He didn’t get rid of Pardew as you say, Pardew walked into a better paid job, and Ashley got over £3million for him.

    The right moves weren’t made in the formation of the board, Moncur, Carr and McClaren shouldn’t be on a board for any company. Charnley is the closest to a competent board member we have and his suitability is open to debate.

    The culture within the club comes from Ashley, there is no desire within the club to do better and that comes from the top. If Ashley was really interested in moving us forward last summer, the board would contain well qualified people. It doesn’t because that in’t the vision under Ashley. He is happy just doing enough, and when you attempt to do that, eventually it will all come crashing down.

  • 50 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:41 PM

    Is it counter-productive? Is it harmful to the club? Impossible to say really, has it had any significant effect? No.

  • 51 BandB // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:42 PM


    Vincent Tan.
    Now there’s a bogeyman out of the closet.
    I have little faith in fans organising, largely because there are always persuasive voices prepared to filibuster the debate with suggestions of obstacles they, by creeping assertion, suggest can’t be overcome.
    I agree with you. It is a matter of personal choice.
    I certainly wouldn’t line up against that on the basis, for example, that I personally don’t think it would work.
    Seems like the same old argument for doing nothing, dressed in different clothes to me.

  • 52 bettyswallocks // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:43 PM

    I really think we should wait until January to see what steps are taken before we plan any action.
    As much as we all would like Ashley out , I think we all know he isn’t planning to leave.
    I don’t think any of us if we’re honest expected us to be so bad despite bringing in a new manager and spending 52 mil. I’m sure the club would have expected a lot better results.
    Ashley has neglected investing in our club for years and has focused with tunnel vision on creating self sufficiency.
    With Pardew managing to somehow scrape results and keep us up with the minimum spend , then spending 52 mil. to Ashley is a big investment. Due to his inability to understand football Ashley will undoubtedly look at our predicament and wonder why we have spent money and not improved.

    The fat man despite all his previous failings can not affect the team’s performance until Jan. unless he sacks the board or McClaren.

  • 53 BandB // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:44 PM


    Anyway, thanks for obliging me with that clarification so patiently.
    We wouldn’t want Jib thinking you were a fellow traveller.

  • 54 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:50 PM

    I haven’t said not to try it to anyone, I think I’ve said in the past that if that is how they feel go for it, I just think that it would have a greater impact if it was done on occasions and at other matches other forms of protest or demonstration, or raising awareness are utilised. It isn’t about arguing that nothing should be done.

    What effect do you see a sustained boycott having?

  • 55 John Tudor // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:51 PM

    looking back ibiza knows fine well what a spelk is that terminology was used when he sat on the fence dur
    and he replied
    Ibizatoon // Dec 1, 2015 at 8:51 AM

    Firebug…What’s a spelk between friends?
    clearly a term used quite often
    he did not enquire as to what a spelk was dur

  • 56 croftus5678 // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:55 PM

    @49 liong

    apart from the speculative that we do not know from our positions i agree with you with reguards to previous years as we had oppertunity’s a plenty to build with only 1 or 2 signings that we didnt capitalise on because of greedy chops.

    the pards view though does not make sense to me as pard’s was happy as proven to work with what he had and not spend money on transfers ! surely ashley being the business man would have been far more content to keep him there and cash in as he had done on many occasions where as macca/fans forced him into releasing cash and pardew and to show ambition.

    with reguards to moncur i’ve no idea on that part of nufc it does not intrest me ! they are all middle men imo and only the start and the end really matters to me personally i posted a comment on carr’s signings soe month’s back and wether they was hits or misses for people to judge for themselves and i think its clear he’s avg by every stretch of the mile but we are an under avg side esp atm.

  • 57 lesh // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:56 PM

    Sorry Jay and apologies to Charnley too. I did understate his oratory skills and vast knowledge of the English language.

    I just wish my bank’d be as relaxed about my shambolic financial management as Ashley is about Charnley’s of the Club.

    Any other business chief wouldn’t even have appointed Charnley let alone make him MD in charge of a multi-million pound business.

    Ashley can’t be that stupid but his ownership and running of NUFC baffles me – and many many others.

  • 58 Sav // Dec 1, 2015 at 12:58 PM

    We’ve been crying out for a British player of proven experience and over 26 and gives his all. Now we’ve got one.

  • 59 BandB // Dec 1, 2015 at 1:00 PM


    I would suggest it is already having an affect and has been for a while.
    Go to any pub on Tyneside on a match day and you will see where the old fanbase is. Just as noisy, proud and opinionated as ever.
    The club has been filling the ground with giveaway tickets to companies, schools, youth clubs etc for years.
    The waiting list has vanished. The ground is a morgue, wracked with fatalism. Tickets are available in all parts of the ground forgone of the biggest matches of the year. Games end in a near empty stadium.
    And Ashley is once again turning to his crisis management guru for answers to these “non-existent” effects of people voting with their feet.

  • 60 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 1, 2015 at 1:02 PM

    You say that they are all middle men and all that matters is the start and the end. So logically, if the board are middle men, then Ashley is the start, but in your previous post you say he is no longer involved. Both can’t be right as publicly we are lead to believe the football board make the decisions. Personally I don’t think Ashley has stepped away from any of it. He only joined the board when Kinnear left, he and Irving both left the board in the summer, and we appointed a manager, a scout, and a club meet and greet ambassador.

    He isn’t the only person to blame at the club – from Ashley down to the players there are major issues – but he is the only one that could correct the problems within and yet he is currently doing nothing. A clean sweep and a new board who are qualified for the jobs would be a good start.

  • 61 Barton // Dec 1, 2015 at 1:05 PM

    Anyone who thinks Ashley is not to blame is as stupid & thick as i was in paying for a season ticket,No decision’s ect are taken without his say so,so yes i blame the useless slug,nothing happens without his say so,so all this “the football board” make the decisions is complete bull.

  • 62 AncientC // Dec 1, 2015 at 1:08 PM

    Croftus, you really believe Ashley broke our transfer policy by not selling any of our better players? I would say that is down to nobody wanting any of our players after witnessing the way they were playing at the end of last season. One of the few bright lights, Abeid, was quickly sold, which really detracts from your theory.

    On Pardew, Ashley did not get rid of him, Pardew walked. Had Crystal Palace not came in for Pardew, he would likely still be at the club.

    In regards to the investment in players, the club has not had a net spend on players since coming up from the Championship. In the summer it was 4 senior players out, with what you could possibly term 4 senior players in. The signings that were made are rumoured to have been signed because player prices are rising next summer.

    I cannot see the signs of a transfer strategy based on anything other than financial gains.

    Sissoko will be moving on soon, we will also have the Cabella money coming in. The net spend looks temporary at best.

  • 63 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 1, 2015 at 1:10 PM

    I’m not saying that people haven’t and that they aren’t still fans of the club. I just don’t think it has had any effect on how the club is run. Is that not what the aim is? Has it achieved any changes in the running of the club? Every now and then he spins some PR, and people are sucked in again.

    If the desired effect was to make the ground quieter, and force Ashley to use spin and PR then it has been a success. If the desire was to affect change in the running of the club, then it has to go down as having had no effect so far.

    I mentioned Lazio earlier, they began a boycott at around the same time as we had talk of one last season. They had far greater results in terms of numbers not turning up but have had no success and are still boycotting. Just a month ago the Rome derby was boycotted by both sets of fans and played in front of a nearly empty stadium. It hasn’t lead to any change in the policies that made people boycott.

    Boycott if that is what you believe in, I just think it will take more than people not going to games to make any real changes. It is just my opinion, and could ultimately turn out to be wrong, which I would be happy to be.

    Anyway, I have to head off now, power has gone and I need to save battery for actual work!

  • 64 BandB // Dec 1, 2015 at 1:10 PM

    Ashley says the buck stops at his door.
    Sack the Door! I say

  • 65 croftus5678 // Dec 1, 2015 at 1:14 PM

    @60 lilong

    aye he will always be involved for his money and thats what’s been available this season the manager (pard’s) needed sacking again one way or the other us fans got what we wanted and a new coaching set up that we was also wanting got replaced and with quality that we wanted i must say !

    the manager was not what we wanted as most of the fans wanted managers did not want to come but working down the list crossing them off we got macca who we mostly deemed an upgrade on pards.

    what should we be looking at changing iyo and what effect would they have on an area ?

    the coaching team i’m personally still happy with !
    the manager through not having our current players wanting to play for him i’m on bordering changing now that rodgers/seedorf are available imo.
    carr/scouts as most know from my previous posts i deemed them as very good signings from the start of the season and am happy i couldnt have done better so i’m happy with them.
    moncur i have no idea what he actully does anyways and the same with the rest i just assume they are glorified admin.

  • 66 Our Toon // Dec 1, 2015 at 1:15 PM

    Those who think a man will let his investment be run by a nobody teaboy without any input from the main man has no clue at all. Ashley is in control as he has always been, putting forward daft idiots to be the public face only fools a handful of fans who’d believe anything in the hope for a brighter future. Sack McClaren and Sack the board, bring in a foreign coach who actually has a clue. Btw I see that clement took derby to top spot last Friday only to be over taken by CH at Brighton. The same Derby our esteemed manager failed with!!

  • 67 Ibizatoon // Dec 1, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    Mediterranian islander here, how we all doing?

    Jib…Quick question, is it that you don’t read what is written or do you simply choose to misrepresent it?

    Just interested to know if you’re thick or scheming…I’d hate to have to assume. Perhaps it’s both?

  • 68 c-dog // Dec 1, 2015 at 1:20 PM

    The biggest change needed at the club is the transfer policy. Year aftery ear we sign players who are simply not up to it. This year is no different. Every player signed has been poor. They have no strengthened our squad one bit. Cisse would score as much as Mitrovic. With Williamson in defence we’d still concede the same as Mbemba. Thauvin is a mediocre Ligue Un player at best. Only maybe Big Sam and Pulis could steady the ship with the current squad. And fans call for the likes of Garde etc. It’s astonishing.

  • 69 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 1, 2015 at 1:22 PM

    Okay, last one before I sign off for the day. I wouldn’t have appointed Schoenmaker and Simpson. I wasn’t quite sure what the point was. Let’s not also forget that the club offered Carver and Stone their old positions back, but both said no and left the club. They too weren’t sacked. Would we have got a new setup if they had decided to stay and work with McClaren – no.

    Cathro is the only one I’d keep from the first team setup that came in with McClaren – including McClaren. Not sure I’d want Rogers or Seedorf either. Not sure either would come – Rogers had issues with working for a transfer committee, why would he come to a club in turmoil where he doesn’t have final say?

    I’d prefer someone far more experienced – Favre and Bielsa are both unemployed currently. Both can organise and motivate a side. Would they come and work under Ashley’s constraints? I doubt it. That is always going to be an issue and why Ashley has to change or go.

  • 70 croftus5678 // Dec 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM

    @62 ancient

    i do believe that yes.

    obviously it could all be paper talk but i recall bids for sissoko/janmaat and perez and rolando and tbh the mood at the time as they was our stand out players and i doubt many fans would have been happy to cash in on those.

    i agree on abied i thought he could have become real quality but he was not first team material imo.

    and as said before i completely agree it’s ashley not capitalising on previous transfer windows and instead pocketing the cash thats got us this sort of quality team as it stands now ! but the start of the season i expected us to be better with the money and the quality of signings ashleys money that was put back into the club bought.

  • 71 bettyswallocks // Dec 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM

    C-dog………. Ashley will consider that we have changed the transfer policy . We have never spent so much on 4 players in one window, so he will consider that a bid upgrade.
    He may well decide that shopping anywhere other than the bargain basement is now not for him.

  • 72 croftus5678 // Dec 1, 2015 at 1:31 PM

    @69 lilong

    tbf i didnt know carver or stone was and they def would not have been good enough if it was the case.

    and aye i agree managers who would come to us of decent quality are few and far between.

  • 73 Toonarmymarcheson // Dec 2, 2015 at 12:09 AM

    Alas Ed, Einstein never actually said this quote… It’s an urban myth. Mind you there is a link in that the Toon playing football is also a myth. Nothing will change unless we buy proven premiership players. True Geordie on YouTube talks rubbish 90% of the time but this is one thing that even he gets right.. Nothing will change until our policy does

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