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Why Was Charnley McClaren Meeting Normal This Week?

4:21 pm, Saturday, December 5th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 75 Comments

Two weeks ago we were returning from the two week International break and we had just luckily won at Bournemouth in the last game and taken 7 points from 4 games so things were starting to look up.

But against Leicester City at home. after we went behind 1-0 just before half time. the second half was a disgrace and too many players in the black and white shirts gave up the ghost – as they have done too many times this season.

Steve McClaren said he laid into the players on the following Monday and it just wasn’t good enough and promised better things at Crystal Palace last Saturday.

Steve McClaren Press Conference B+W Background

Steve McClaren – at his press conference

But after going ahead 1-0 after 10 minutes with a goal from Papiss Cisse we were behind a short seven minutes later and it became another disgraceful performance from the team – and Palace won the game 5-1 and it could have been a lot worse.

We heard from Steve McClaren after the game but then nothing until his Thursday press conference.

During the press conference the obvious theme for this week was the following.

Our players are short of confidence and all we need is another win to get the confidence back and all will be well – and it’s just a short two weeks ago  we were celebrating the win at Bournemouth when everything looked great – things can change very quickly with a win when the confidence of players comes flooding back.

Steve McClaren must have said the word confidence 934 times in his 10-minute press conference – or so it seemed.

McClaren said this when asked if he had talked to the owner about the plight of the team over the last few weeks:

No, no – as we say it was our normal routine, we meet with the players like we do after every game whether we win, lose or draw and we have chats with Charnley every week – it’s been a normal week we know what we have to do – we have to do it on the field.”

There didn’t seem to be any urgency in the way McClaren responded to questions and there was more urgency from the journalists than from Steve.

If you didn’t know where we were in the league you may have thought we were around 6th place in the league given Steve’s odd demeanor.

Yes – we know there has to be no panic – but urgency is not panic  – especially after two of the worst performances from Newcastle for a long time.

And how on earth could it be a normal meeting when we are second bottom, below Sunderland in the league – have a goal difference of -16 the worst in the league and conceded 30 goals – also the worst in the Premier League.

It’s almost as if  Steve McClaren and Lee Charnley are acting too cool.

We don’t want to see any panic – but we do want to see urgency that we can get out of this bad situation.

McClaren has to demand a lot more from the players and he’s been nowhere near to getting the best out of them so far this season.

Another defeat tomorrow against Liverpool and we’ll be in even more trouble.

Comments welcome.



Tags: Coaching · Newcastle News · Premier League · Press · Press Conference




75 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:23 PM

    The real Arsenal have just turned up and they are battering the Mackems !! About time !! Although Villa still winning is not good for us !!

  • 2 John Tudor // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:23 PM

    how many has klopp had and how is he performing
    enough of the excuses mucca shape up or ship out

  • 3 toonking // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:26 PM

    nice hatrickk by mahrez

  • 4 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:27 PM

    We were linked with Ngolo Kante. Probably should’ve signed him.

  • 5 John Tudor // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:28 PM

    we are linked with ker plunk too

  • 6 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:30 PM

    The worry is Villa have been putting in the work rate in the last few games and if they get the win they will be dying to get in about us as they will fancy a win !

  • 7 archaeomag // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:30 PM

    villa 1 down

  • 8 John Tudor // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:31 PM

    no a draw

  • 9 Ron Knee // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:32 PM

    Romeu scores for Southampton.

  • 10 archaeomag // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:35 PM

    Villa 1 1
    [wishful thinking]

  • 11 John Tudor // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:35 PM

    just waiting to hear muccas drivels on sunday

  • 12 jane // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:37 PM

    Norwich and Swansea losing is good

  • 13 archaeomag // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:38 PM

    @jane
    sad but true

  • 14 Ron Knee // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:38 PM

    On this crap stream I have it’s hard to make out the SAFC players playing in green. Good camouflage.

  • 15 Oleg G // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:38 PM

    We are really bad this season but Villa, wow.

    If they will finish today with 6 points, that is 13% of points from the possible 45.

  • 16 jane // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:39 PM

    you never know we might win tomorrow 🙂

  • 17 jane // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:40 PM

    I think Villa are certs for relegation

  • 18 John Tudor // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:44 PM

    unless there is a change soon all we will get is about 22

  • 19 John Tudor // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:47 PM

    is that nib 😉

  • 20 toonking // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:49 PM

    looks as though Leicester are going top of the table, how much longer would we give them before they become top4 or title contenders this year?

  • 21 Oleg G // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:51 PM

    3-1

  • 22 Oleg G // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:52 PM

    toonking

    If they stay up in the top 4 until 26 games. So somewhere in February.

  • 23 lukes26 // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM

    Well, Sunderland lost…however, they look much more a threat under allerdyce it must be said

  • 24 toonking // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:54 PM

    scums 3-1 down
    norwich 2-0 down
    and
    villa 1-1

    can we take advantage of these results or will the bottom remain the same?

  • 25 Ron Knee // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:55 PM

    3-1
    That’s my crumb of comfort for tomorrow.

  • 26 Oleg G // Dec 5, 2015 at 4:57 PM

    Villa 1-1.

    I don’t see how any other team, other than the last 5 now can be considered for relegation.

    We, and the other 4 are so sh**.
    Sunderland, Villa, Us, Norwich, B’mouth.

    Swansea and Chelsea will get out of this.

  • 27 toonking // Dec 5, 2015 at 5:00 PM

    oleg

    If they are still top 4 and hang onto the likes of vardy and mahrez i’ll start putting belief into a top 4 finish, they certainly a team I feel like dedicating full support to at this minute.

    go leceister

  • 28 lukes26 // Dec 5, 2015 at 5:03 PM

    would you do a straight swap of Danny Simpson for Janmaat..

    first class defender vs elite attacking rb

    ..i lean no..but i think we’d start him over janmaat currently since our defense is so bad

  • 29 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Dec 5, 2015 at 5:04 PM

    @Oleg

    Yeah I feel that we could all start to get cut adrift apart from Sunderland seem to get jammy results

    Would like to see us at least try and have men behind the ball against Liverpool and defend !! If we try attacking them with no one tracking back it could be embarrassing !!

  • 30 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Dec 5, 2015 at 5:05 PM

    @Lukes26

    Would take Danny Simpson and make him defend and put Janmaat on the wing where he would do quite well

    In fact we could do this just now with Mbabu as the full back

  • 31 toonking // Dec 5, 2015 at 5:06 PM

    villa themselves are a team i’m assured will be down.

    the other two are for anyone of scums, norwich, bournmouth and us.

  • 32 toonking // Dec 5, 2015 at 5:10 PM

    luke

    as lee himself says really, danny simpson over jamaat anyday. At the end of the day a RB’s main job is defending any attacking provided is a bonus, if he’s magnificent attacking and awful defending as jamaat is then he might as well be moved to winger

  • 33 lukes26 // Dec 5, 2015 at 5:12 PM

    Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    agreed. janmaat would make a decent winger…better than sissoko for sure.

  • 34 Malta Mag // Dec 5, 2015 at 5:26 PM

    We may be totally Sh ite but I for one will be glued to the TV here on “the rock” watching the lads in the hope that somehow, against all the odds we pull off a result. I have also booked my ticket v Everton on Boxing Day and will be back again in March v Sunderland whilst still watching all the games live on Tv because lads and lasses that’s what true supporters do through thick and thin. Anything less for me is unacceptable. Geordie till I die!!!!!

  • 35 Oleg G // Dec 5, 2015 at 5:34 PM

    My comfort this season is watching Leicester Cit fighting the big clubs. It is nice to see.

  • 36 West Lancs Geordie // Dec 5, 2015 at 5:48 PM

    Question ? Who will come to NUFC if McLaren is sacked.
    Question 2? When will we see through the sicknotes e.g. Saylor Taking wages after wages & never playing.
    Question 3? When will the club understand we need to shore up the back by bringing in quality CBs & Full Backs. before shelling out on wingers who couldn’t get in another Prem League Side.
    Tomorrow players must stand up & be counted & work together to avoid a yet another leathering

  • 37 JamesToon // Dec 5, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    Bournemouth playing well against chelsea

  • 38 lesh // Dec 5, 2015 at 5:51 PM

    Given the situation the Club’s in, if having a ‘chat’ with McClaren’s the best Charnley can come up with, then it suggests that Charnley hasn’t got the guts to have a serious discussion with the HC he appointed.

    A decent CEO would have had a serious discussion long before now – the writing was definitely on the wall after the Leicester game – and a formal meeting should have been held with Carr covering where we are now, why and what needs to be done to rectify the situation both now and in the longer term. A follow-up review should have been convened after the debacle at Palace.

    But were there any meetings? Apparently not, just a ‘chat’ with McClaren.

    Clearly, Charnley isn’t up to the CEO role and Ashley really ought to recruit a football savvy CEO and put Charnley back into his former role – thus bringing in a strong Chief Exec and retaining Charnley to do what he’s good at. One would also expect Carr’s obvious power to be reduced and if (probably) necessary, recruiting a good manager/ HC to boot.

    I can’t imagine Ashley sitting back at SD and leaving its control to incompetents like Charnley!

    What a shambles but no the upside, if we just happen to hammer Liverpool by at least 7-0, we might just get out of the mire.

    Hey ho, we can only dream on.

  • 39 Mag52 // Dec 5, 2015 at 5:51 PM

    The over expectations of so many of the fans up here is the reason why so many of the fans up here will live in a state of continual disappointment at the fortunes of NUFC.
    This will be multiplied ten fold so long as fat Ash is calling the tune.

  • 40 Lindisfarne // Dec 5, 2015 at 5:58 PM

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34985230

  • 41 andrew84 // Dec 5, 2015 at 6:14 PM

    Mag52

    I personally don’t think that it is ‘unrealistic’ or ‘over-expectant’ to want every player to give 100% in every game, and for the people in key positions (i.e. Head Coach, Chief Scout, Managing Director) to be competent to do their jobs.

    If that does make me unrealistic then I’m guilty as charged!

  • 42 toonking // Dec 5, 2015 at 6:16 PM

    lindis

    never in a million years to most fans

    soccer saturday pundits said a simular thing themselves but they went on to say we’ve just 1 problem, the fans and it’s extreme demand for entertaining football.

    Alan pardew himself had some bad times but only the europa league season had a finish below top10 and an extremely lucky escape, the rest of them had enough points sealed to ensure suvival, trouble was he played a boring hoof and counter attacking football game and it was this boring game that made people so negative about results. Week in week out people were saying “i’d 3 losses and 1 6-0 win than 3 1-0 wins o just 1 loss.

    Part of the reason a championship won’t hit newcastle fans as hard as we think is because we’re a consist team with a bottom table squad already fans will still get what they like best in attacking football.

  • 43 JamesToon // Dec 5, 2015 at 6:17 PM

    Lesh

    Mark Douglas said that Ashley could turn to Derek Llambias again.

    Nicola Cortese is still out of work and would be a great CEO for us imo, spotted pochettino he did.

    And does anyone actually know what Charnleys job was before he became MD?

  • 44 JamesToon // Dec 5, 2015 at 6:19 PM

    Toonking

    I really don’t think entertaining football should be much to ask, it should be sub standard, when you buy a ticket, you go to be entertained. If the likes of Bournemouth can entertain their fans, why can’t we expect to be entertained as well?

  • 45 bettyswallocks // Dec 5, 2015 at 6:31 PM

    Jamestoon…….. I think in McClarens defence he has tried to instil an attacking based possession game and refused to park the bus.

    We’ve seen the odd glimpse but it’s backfired big time as the players haven’t developed any consistency with this method.

  • 46 Jail for Ashley // Dec 5, 2015 at 6:42 PM

    bettyswallocks,
    Those rose tinted specs you are wearing are affecting your mind not just your eyesight.

  • 47 LGFUAD21 // Dec 5, 2015 at 6:42 PM

    I do think to some extent the fans are difficult here.

    We need to realise ee are a bog standard club.

    I will however concede that though we can’t compete for the top 6 we should at least be showing the ambition to develop over time to get there like everton, Southampton, Stoke. Even if it’d take a while.

    The other thing I’ll say (and I expect some backlash for this). But right now we could do a lot worse than bring in a defensive minded manager that plays for 1-nils

    In fact we could probably really use a pulis whose priority would be to shore up the defence before he worries about trying to score goals. That’s be our best chance of survival but the fans would be lampooning them all day long.

  • 48 LGFUAD21 // Dec 5, 2015 at 6:45 PM

    Betty

    Interesting point.

    Paul simpson is renowned from his managerial days for being all out attack minded and no mind for defence.

    Mcclaren was developed at Man Utd who were all about attack and Cathro the same at Valencia. I wonder if any of our coaches have enough about them on the defensive side of things.

    That said. Last season we promoted that guy to the coaching staff when carver took over. He was supposed to shore up our defence but all he seemed to do was make our back four really narrow and very suceptible to crosses.

  • 49 toonking // Dec 5, 2015 at 6:47 PM

    jamestoon

    Bournmouth themselves are playing entertainment and fighting relegation, blackpool were an extremely entertaining side too during relegation battle and what provided these clubs a much greater amount of entertainment is they had a squad built around players playing with a passion, great attitude and as a team. Our problem is the squad itself consists of lots of individuals, a majority of them won’t really be too fussed over relegation they’ll just mover over to another team on transfer.

    The gap in a team like leciester, bournmouth and blackpool playing entertaining football during a premier league game is massed when compared to teams such as ourselves. those who’ve been a consistant lower division team have already acheived the major target of promotion, they’d like to remain in the premier league if they can but as far as expectation is concerned they’ll happily takes lots of losses for just a entertaining attacking football against a bigger team.

    Like i said a championship itself won’t hurt toon fans anywhere near as bad as it may seem because we’ll still get entertaining football and if that’s not positive enough we’ll also be winning more games and fighting it out amongst the top half of the table.

  • 50 Mag52 // Dec 5, 2015 at 6:49 PM

    Andrew @ James.

    I agree that entertaining football and the players putting 100 % in to their game should not be too much to ask. But to expect it, only to end up frustrated week in, week out does your head in, doesn’t it ?
    With lower expectations, there’s a chance, every so often, of a pleasant surprise.
    With Ashley in charge the chances are heavily against us having a successful season. You’ve only got to look at his record to see that.
    The way I cope throughout this Ashley era is to see anything above 18th.place as a success. As for thrilling, attacking, exhilarating football – forget it. We don’t have the staff to achieve it.

  • 51 bettyswallocks // Dec 5, 2015 at 6:55 PM

    Jail……… I thought that was a valid observation. We have shown that the style of play has improved under McClaren in a few games given that our results are terrible.

    I do believe he is trying to give us a better brand of football.

  • 52 toonking // Dec 5, 2015 at 6:57 PM

    It’s going to be down as to weather or not we toon fans will now accept ourselves as a smaller club who’s ambition is suvival because if we don’t then this side need to get itself regbuilt and starting from the back even if it does mean defensive football.

    during pardew era itself We had the chance to begin building our squad having qualified for europa league but instead ashley on brings in 1 player and leave it to panic buys in january and then goes a full season without a single transfer in just the sale of a second key player.
    I’m not in anyway taking about pardew in this just the fact ashley decided not to starting building on what might have been a consistent top 6 battler.

  • 53 Ron Knee // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:00 PM

    Mag52

    About the only thing the management is good at is lowering expectations!

  • 54 toonking // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:02 PM

    only brings*

  • 55 Ron Knee // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:10 PM

    Bournemouth score!

  • 56 toonking // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:10 PM

    bournmouth 1-0 ahead

  • 57 JamesToon // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:11 PM

    we’re in massive trouble if bournemouth win this

  • 58 Jail for Ashley // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:11 PM

    Betty,
    How can you say our play has improved when we have the worst GD in the division

  • 59 bladeuser // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:12 PM

    Nufc stink out the epl
    ASH OUT
    SMAC OUT
    COLO OUT
    SHEEP Out

  • 60 JamesToon // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:14 PM

    Its so painful how we’re actually trying to aspire to the likes of bournemouth

  • 61 JamesToon // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:18 PM

    Bournemouth showing how working hard and playing as a team no matter how much quality you have gets you rewards. Thats why i think managers like Bielsa/De Boer are so much better choices for us than the likes of rodgers/moyes

  • 62 andrew84 // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:20 PM

    Mag52

    I understand what you’re saying. In fact I’ve already accepted relegation (when I tell this to my mackem workmates and my SAFC-supporting friends they seem genuinely surprised).

    At least with that type of mindset I can’t be disappointed. Having said that, I’m sure NUFC will find a way to manage it… 😉

  • 63 JamesToon // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:21 PM

    Unless we buck up our ideas we are going down, the reason why we are so much more likely to go down this year more than last year is that the teams around us e.g. bournemouth norwich are playing well and have players that put in 100% every game. whereas last year there were teams like burnley, hull who didn’t have the quality and never really played well

  • 64 JamesToon // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:26 PM

    hope our players just watched that game so they can learn how to work hard and fight for the team and the fans

  • 65 toonking // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:28 PM

    James
    when you say it like that which i myself agree is one problem, it could turn out to be chelsea who’ll be our hope as they are a team who’s players appear to just as problematic themselves especially costa.

    I highly dout it will be true but at the minute we’re hoping for anything if we want suvival.

  • 66 RUNAWAY777 // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:37 PM

    we are going down when teams start picking up points now they will pull away from us now,and i have no doubt sunderland will pull away to after there performance and aston villa getting a point away will give them hope,lads it will be a cricket score and 50,000 will pay to watch, and they call themselves geordies more like sheep that will follow anything rant over

  • 67 bettyswallocks // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:41 PM

    Jail……… I said in a few matches we have shown signs of improvement in our style.
    Obviously without the emphasis being on defending our goal difference is terrible.

    The odd little glimmer that we are trying to attack and win as oppose to trying to avoid losing and nick the odd goal a goal has to be a refreshing positive sign even though our defence obviously needs strengthening as we all knew.

    I think your hatred for Ashley is preventing you from acknowledging anything that might be considered a positive .

  • 68 JamesToon // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:44 PM

    Bettyswollocks

    I did agree with your point about glimmers of hope in our style etc but just don’t know whether mcclarens up to the job anymore

  • 69 GeordieTwo // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:49 PM

    Who is Mr. BumbleMumbleStumble in this club anyway? Is it Steve or Lee? Let’s get that straight. We need to know who the biggest clown is.

  • 70 GeordieTwo // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:50 PM

    Once we have a winner we can call him Mr. BuMS for short. Harrumph.

  • 71 sparky55 // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:56 PM

    The only undecided place is 18th. Villa and NUFC own 19th and 20th.

  • 72 bettyswallocks // Dec 5, 2015 at 7:56 PM

    Jamestoon……… You may well be right. That’s what the hierarchy need to decide. Do they throe more money in with McC at the helm or get rid of him.

  • 73 Moonraker15 // Dec 5, 2015 at 8:21 PM

    I can’t understand any fan staying away from games in protest against the owner. I can understand staying away cos it’s crap but we won’t hurt Ashley through lower gates because the main revenue stream is now TV money. those who say they’re staying away in protest will soon return if we’re winning games.
    If you want to protest go to games and vent your opinions (always assuming you are not sickened by the football and results). This is the way I see it anyway!

  • 74 Moonraker15 // Dec 5, 2015 at 8:25 PM

    I’ve got a feeling SMc has been rumbled. Tomorrow is a defining day in his career! A hammering tomorrow and he’s history! Happy days, you could say we’re in a win/win situation !

  • 75 Afunkymonk // Dec 5, 2015 at 8:55 PM

    What a pointlessly shite article.




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