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Why Former Newcastle Player Would Be A Very Poor Acquisition

9:17 am, Thursday, December 24th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 25 Comments

Andy Carroll cost West Ham £16.5M when they signed him in the summer of 2013 after spending the previous season on loan there.

And he is said to be on wages of around £90K/week at least (around £4.7M a year) at the east London club, but with Andy’s very poor injury record the Hammers have not seen much of a return for their money since 2013.

So it’s not surprising that West Ham would like to sell Andy and get out of that very expensive six year contract which still has three and half years to run.

Andy Carroll Newcastle -career

Andy Carroll while at Newcastle – his home town club

And Andy is injured again – this time with a groin injury.

This is his fourth season at the Hammers (the first season was on loan from Liverpool) and he has played only 64 times for them with 15 goals and that’s not a good return for paying out so much money.

In the time since he signed permanently in the summer of 2013 he has played 40 times with 8 goals and along with the transfer fee West Ham have paid out just over £28M in total – with the £16.5M transfer fee and around two and a half years at £4.7M a year.

That’s about £3.5M per goal, so it’s a bad deal for West Ham and it’s not surprising they would like to sell Carroll, who we sold to Liverpool for a massive £35M almost five years ago.

The Times is reporting West Ham want to sell their striker for a massive £18M – and there’s no chance a sane club would pay that amount for Andy.

The other barrier to signing Andy is he has every legal right to stay at West Ham through the summer of 2019 and see out his contract there.

And therefore if he did leave the Hammers he would want  a similar wage he’s getting now – and with his injury record no sane club would pay that.

And when West Ham signed Carroll on that huge fee and sky-high wages for a full six years – we said at the time it was a very poor financial deal for them and they could hardly afford it.

Those are some of the reasons Andy Carroll would be a very poor buy for Newcastle – or any other club for that matter – as enticing as it may be to bring home the local lad.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.

Tags: Andy Carroll · Coaching · Financial Fair Play · Financials · Newcastle News · Premier League · Transfer News and Rumours

25 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Slank // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:19 AM


    Our weakness is our left side as Gini drifts into the middle leaving Dummitt unsure whether to advance or stick and defend. Many, if not all, of our most memorable attacks have therefore started on the right.

    Because Everton will sussed this out McClaren needs to rebalance the tram especially as Everton have very dangerous and highly effective fullbacks going forward.

    My team would be:

    Janmaat – Mbemba – Colo – Dummitt
    Sissoko – Anita – Colback – Thauvan

    Gini can operate in his natural position of No 10 helping out the midfield when required but more importantly supporting Mitrovich. I have never regarded Gini as central midfielder in the mold of a Cabaye and would therefore never make him part of a two man midfield.

    Thauvan and Dummitt can patrol our left side and stop the crosses to Lukaku whilst at the same time present an attacking threat with crosses for Mitrovich and Gini.

  • 2 Slank // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    * tram ! Try team

  • 3 Tsunki // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:21 AM

    Yay! Andy Carroll article. I used to love these when I was younger. Takes me back a bit this does!

  • 4 Tsunki // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:25 AM

    Reason he is a Do Not Buy – his frame is not a physique that can handle his natural skill. In short he’s a good player, especially for his size of body and physique. But his body is always going to be prone to injury from what his skills try to make him perform. Does that make sense?

    The worst thing about the Andy Carroll sale saga is that it did not buy us quality players in return.

    Can we forget this now?

  • 5 Tsunki // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:29 AM

    Slank – I think you’ve come to the same conclusions lilongwe and I have been ruminating over. Left side weakness and Wijnaldum being blanked out of games by bad positioning and tactic. Thauvin came on against villa and got his shirts wet with a wild tackle from the off, it made me laugh but he looked pretty committed if not a bit keen. More importantly he pegged villa back during a very dangerous spell with some really telling crosses and balls into the box, two of which on a nicer day we should have scored from. I think we need to persevere with him, I don’t think he’s the kind of player gee’d up by being dropped. He needs to have faith put in him.

  • 6 Slank // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:30 AM


    It wouldn’t be Christmas without a story about Carroll coming to us in the transfer window would it ?

    My New Years wish is that Austin is transferred from QPR to anywhere, I couldn’t care where, so we no longer have Ed’s interminable articles.

  • 7 nut meg // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:31 AM

    A merry Christmas and best wishes for 2016 to everyone.
    News from the chronicle saying they understand nufc are focusing on a forward & a winger this window.

  • 8 sing in the corner // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:34 AM

    Yeah big Andy is a beast of a fella but sadly I don’t think his career will be a long one, despite him not exactly being overworked in terms of game time over the years. The more time he spends out injured as he gets older, the less likely he is to be able to withstand the physical stresses and strains when he works back to fitness each time. And anyway, the game is moving on, the ways the rules are changing over time don’t favour his game and this type of centre forward play is becoming extinct..

  • 9 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:35 AM

    I do love a good Christmas Carroll story. Still, it is an absolute non starter and utterly pointless. A bit like Ed’s other favourite topics.

    Last few times I’ve watched Everton, Lukaku has scored by peeling off onto the back post and outmuscling the defenders. Mbabu would offer a bit more security, against that.

    On Colo, it wouldn’t be a terrible position to take up playing against a lone centre forward if he spoke to the other defenders and organised the back line. He doesn’t, and nobody else does, so inevitably all the defence look daft. It is the key reason Matip isn’t the answer for us, Matip needs an organiser and leader next to him as well.

  • 10 banjax // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:37 AM

    I would like to wish every single person who contributes here on this blog A very Merry Xmas to them and their loved ones and all the very best for the New Year.

    As far as interminable stories about injury regular Andy Carroll are concerned, let’s just hope that’s all it is.

  • 11 Tsunki // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:37 AM

    Ha ha Christmas Carroll. I do like that one. 🙂 hang on, didn’t we have one last year…..?

  • 12 Slank // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:38 AM

    Tsunki @ 5

    Totally agree. Thauvan showed against Villa what he is capable of in crossing the ball which should be meat and veg to Mitro and Gini. He also demonstrated admirable desire to do his defensive duties.

    Gini has the engine to get up and down the pitch for 90 minutes and nearly always makes himself available in the opposing six yard box. To date the only downside is the gap left on our left side which will be exploited by the opposition sooner than later.

  • 13 sing in the corner // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:39 AM

    Who do you fancy in central defence as a Colo replacement? we need to pull a rabbit out of the hat soon as Colo, like him or not, is fast running out of juice. He’s not the cause of all our ills of course…

  • 14 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:40 AM

    Sissoko is one of the most frustrating players I have ever seen play for the Toon!!

    Thought when we signed him he could be our version of a Viera/Toure type of player but he does not have the heart, skill or brain to be anywhere near them !!

    When he plays in the middle he doesn’t put a tackle in and has a poor touch so we instantly lose the midfield battle when he is in the middle

    The only times he has played well for us is when he is on the right wing but even then he doesn’t track back and if there is no space to run he runs out of ideas !!

  • 15 Tsunki // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:41 AM

    Can anyone remember Eds past sagas, before Andy Carroll and Charlie Austin? Remember the PEA series? That went on a bit. 🙁

  • 16 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:42 AM

    nut meg,
    Merry Christmas mate.

    I hope that isn’t right, but it would be no surprise if that is where they look at. Those positions are more likely to see players value appreciate if they are successful…..

    If they are looking at those roles primarily, then Batshuayi or Berahinho are able to cover both roles so just get one of them and then spend on more important areas i.e. a defender who can organise and lead alongside a complete centre mid who can dominate that area for us.

  • 17 Tsunki // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:45 AM

    Sitc – it’s inevitable that toonbotherers long standing prediction of Colo causing a natural disaster or famine were always going to be self- fulfilling due to the effects of time. He is indeed showing signs of wear, unfortunately he is still by a whisker admittedly, the first name on the team sheet in defence. But we need to replace him with a vocal, strong leader. Not a captain though. I maintain the captain should be somewhere from dm up.

  • 18 AncientC // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:47 AM

    I would agree with Wijnaldum playing higher up the pitch, but considering the 4-4-1-1 formation in use, that only leaves 1 other position to play him in.

    SDJ is being wasted playing in his current role with the side not pressing higher up the pitch as a team. The opposition back line can pass it around whilst SDJ chases shadows. De Jong needs more time with the ball than chasing.

  • 19 Ron Knee // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:48 AM

    nut meg

    So does that mean we’re getting Townsend?

  • 20 Tsunki // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:49 AM

    One of our biggest recruitment problems imho is that we haven’t necessarily bought players with resilient attitudes. The hot and cold nature of some players performances indicate that they need someone to work with who has a never say die attitude. We don’t have many of those. Perhaps that is why English players, though not technically as good, edge out a lot of very good technical foreign players in this league, because there is more effort under adversity. Just a theory.

  • 21 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:50 AM

    I do like Glik of Torino, but they are unlikely to let him leave, and he is almost a cult figure over there. In terms of Prem experienced, Shawcross fits the bill quite nicely, probably too pricey for Ashley’s liking though.

    A bit of a gamble would be Kyriakos Papadopoulos, had major injury issues the last few years but has all the attributes we are lacking at the back. Think he is at Leverkusen this season, not are if it was another loan or a permanent move (he was on loan there last season).

  • 22 sing in the corner // Dec 24, 2015 at 9:54 AM

    I hope the Shelvey rumours are true. I think Colback or to a lesser extent Anita would be pleased if we signed him. He could be a dominant leader type I think. In fact looking at it it’s not unthinkable that we could get him. Swansea are in a bit of a tailspin compared to where they’ve been, and he’s not meant to be too happy there after Monk was dumped.
    Problem is that we are ponderous and stingy at best when it comes to transfer dealings. And I suppose there will be better placed clubs looking at him?

  • 23 Sazzer // Dec 24, 2015 at 10:00 AM

    Merry Christmas
    Ed, Nut meg, banjax, Slank, Tsunki, Lilo, Bunga, Singing in the corner and rest of the bloggers.

    I think we should play both Gini and De Jong in the middle and Thauvin on left. Mitro upfront.

    Only 1 DM.

    McClaren probably won’t change the back 4.

  • 24 nut meg // Dec 24, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    I don’t want either of them BUT…it is nufc we’re talking about.One needs a lot of help from a partner to do the donkey work for him and the other isn’t capable of doing what the position he plays in demands…crossing ability! This window is going to show me whether or not GC is really pally with SM or is more concerned with pleasing his master by bringing in players just for resale value.That’s not the way to build a team.I fear the worst!

  • 25 lesh // Dec 24, 2015 at 11:00 AM


    You wouldn’t think the Club’s more than flirting with relegation.

    If getting Saylor back makes Charnley think we’ve enough defensive cover without buying a solid CB and LB, then he’s truly hasn’t a clue – nor Carr for that matter!

    Fail to shore up our defence and we’re down.

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