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McClaren Still Confident Despite Dismal Record

8:38 am, Tuesday, December 29th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 106 Comments

We suppose Steve McClaren hasn´t got much choice about what he says after the games – especially when we lose and we have lost 10 of our 19 league games so far this season.

In the position he´s in – he just has to remain upbeat and positive – and he will also know that Mike Ashley is listening to what he´s saying.

But we wonder if he really thinks we were unlucky yesterday with just two shots on target?

Steve McClaren Close Up B+W 2015

Steve McClaren – onward we go

If the team is 3rd bottom and has had a terrible start to the season any Newcastle manager will come in  for some heavy criticism – that´s just the way it is.

And Steve is getting heavy criticism after our second defeat in a row to end a terrible 2015.

Here´s what Steve said after the game yesterday:

“We have to continue with the attitude and character we are showing at the present moment.”

“You are just hoping that fortune will turn around. If we keep working as hard as we have done over recent games that will turn around.”

“I’ve no doubt about that. There’s enough ability and quality in there. So onward we go.”

“Transfers are something we will discuss privately. We will sit down in the next few days and see where we go.”

“I think the team went over and were applauded by the fans.” “Whatever we do, we will continue to recognize the fans after a game.”

“Win, lose or draw, I think it’s important. I thought the support was magnificent all the way through.”

“We are disappointed, not just for ourselves, but also for the fans because sometimes you don’t get what you deserve in football, and in the last two games, we haven’t.”

“But we have to continue what we’ve been doing and know it’ll turn around.”

Here´s our record so far and it doesn make for pretty reading.

Premier LeaguePlayedWonDrawnLostGFGAGDPoints

Newcastle need some new signings next month, but we don´t really know who they are going to try to bring in, and we certainly don´t expect Steve McClaren to say who Newcastle are after,

That would be dumb.

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  • 1 Transfer Sage // Dec 29, 2015 at 8:41 AM


    I suppose for scouting the buck stops with your chief scout…providing he has the resources and people to do the job properly.

    From what I’ve seen clubs like Arsenal, even in he Durham area, have a couple of people who watch junior games and recommend players for more senior scouts who the club officially employ to come and view. The local blokes get a bit of a finders fee….not much like.

    It’s basically connections, the more people you have employed the more connections they will have.

  • 2 Transfer Sage // Dec 29, 2015 at 8:42 AM

    apologies…should be directed to cyprus not ron

  • 3 cyprus // Dec 29, 2015 at 8:42 AM

    I have no idea how our scouting system works, an ex-spurs director (forget his name) explained it a bit on TV, outlining how and why the bigger clubs find the gems. Essentially, it was strength in numbers and experience, as I got it.

    Like you said, he’s missed some good ones, even in France. Fans say we go for bargain basement but the facts say otherwise. Other teams have bought much better much cheaper.

    I don’t think you can point the finger at anyone particularly, usually it’s down to many people. Although the ‘buck’ stops with MA (his appointments), if I were, I’d go with Carr. We really have fallen way behind the Evertons of this world. Our players are worse than theirs.

  • 4 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Dec 29, 2015 at 8:45 AM

    So he’s still in a job…and what about Charnley?

  • 5 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 29, 2015 at 8:45 AM

    Lilongwe Geordie
    December 29, 2015
    My biggest issue with Carr is the level he has been elevated to. All scouts get it wrong, most get more wrong then right, but they aren’t as high profile. For some reason our chief scout is on our board and has far more influence then a chief scout should.

    He has made some good signings and some bad ones with a couple atrocious signings in to boot.

    How many chief scouts can people on here name without the use of google? I’d wager not many, if any at all.

    The club won’t appoint well qualified people to the board so people who shouldn’t have so much power end up in this position. Another drawback of Ashley’s model for running the club.

  • 6 cyprus // Dec 29, 2015 at 8:46 AM


    Do we have people in, like, South America? What would 13 mil. buy you there? Couldn’t people like Asprilla, Guti (if he doesn’t hate us), etc. be recruited? Why is the scouting system so secret? Who and how many are on the payroll? How does Carr spot his ‘gems’ (quotes)

  • 7 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 29, 2015 at 8:46 AM

    You shouldn’t joke! Kinnear is joint 10th with Paddy Power to be our next manager at 20/1. Carver comes in with a lowly 33/1….

  • 8 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Dec 29, 2015 at 8:47 AM

    Does Carr do the scouting in this Country ?

  • 9 Ron Knee // Dec 29, 2015 at 8:48 AM


    I forgive you!


    Carr is Ashley’s football guru, that much is obvious. But to what extent he can influence Ashley’s transfer policy is another matter.

    Was Carr instrumental in choosing McClaren? A black mark against him if he was.

  • 10 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 29, 2015 at 8:50 AM

    When Kinnear was in his second stint he wanted to strengthen our almost non existent scouting presence in the UK. He wanted Mick Harford to oversee it. Harford never came, so I don’t know what happened after that.

    Llambias always talked up the development of our scouting network in South America. Again, given the lack of credible links to players there, I’d guess very little was actually done. If it was we should be all over Marimon of Once Caldas like a rash!

  • 11 Ron Knee // Dec 29, 2015 at 8:50 AM

    Morning jesper!

  • 12 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Dec 29, 2015 at 8:54 AM

    Eddie Howe is looking to add four or five new faces to ensure his squad can withstand any more injuries and stay in the Premier League. They have agreed a deal to sign Juan Iturbe from Roma and have discussed offers for Jonathan de Guzman and Carlo Zuniga from Napoli plus Leeds right back Sam Byram.

    News paper rumours but it would not surprise me if Bournemouth are looking to get this quality in early which means we are never catching them

    Its between us and Norwich for the last place

  • 13 cyprus // Dec 29, 2015 at 8:55 AM

    from what you say, JFK Llambias in 🙂

  • 14 Lilongwe Geordie // Dec 29, 2015 at 8:56 AM

    I will look forward to seeing how Iturbe gets on. He was highly rated but has really struggled to have an impact in the last year or two.

  • 15 Jib // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:01 AM

    There comes a point where optimism and teeth gritting “chins up lads wer’e British for God’s sake” is no longer helpful.

    This is Leicester’s remarkable last season turnaround which should serve as inspiration for us all.

    There are a few salient points
    1 There was no quick fix in the Winter window
    2 What was significant in the WW was the loan of Robert Huth.
    3 Outfield the leadership and goals of Ulloa was crucial.
    4 In the WW they only brought in a few players but sent loads out on loan!!??
    and still kept on losing in Jan Feb Mar
    5 From April 1st until seasons end they only lost one game
    6 They stuck with the manager

  • 16 nut meg // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:02 AM

    Carr is supposed to have been friends with SM for a long time.I doubt if Charnley or Ashley had heard of him let alone chose him.We’ll see just how good a friend he is next month! So if he walks will Charnley be looking for a new head coach AND a new board member or will the new guy multi task?

  • 17 nufcursed // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:10 AM

    just like anyone else in this club, steve’s full of sht!
    we’ve got exactly what we deserved in the last three games..
    with such a negative approach you cannot expect to win games!
    we’ll lose the next two as well so if he’s still our coach by then, it shows how much trouble this club is in..
    maybe championship will be a good thing

  • 18 Ron Knee // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:12 AM

    nut meg

    Whether McClaren stays or goes is likely to depend on what players (if any) are brought in.

    If the board fail to recruit the players he wants he has a perfect excuse for quitting (and preserving what remains of his reputation).

  • 19 Transfer Sage // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:12 AM


    I agree on sticking with the manager if you believe he is the right man and can turn it around. I personally don’t think McClaren is that man and keeping with him is just blind faith in my opinion, although others have their own views on him.

    Also agree on a player like Huth, somebody with league experience, ability and authority. I’d personally like to see us take a punt on Ashley Williams from Swansea, but with his age I doubt we would. Could still get a good 3 years from him.


    I don’t think scouting in South America is a great idea, well not on a large scale. They have difficulty getting work permits over hear unless they have a good few international caps, so it’s sometimes a bit of a waste of resources.

    What we need is to scout thoroughly through the lower leagues here, looking for quality where we can. We also need to look to countries like Spain, Germany and Eastern Europe as well. They tend to produce players best suited to the premier league.

  • 20 davetoon // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:18 AM

    On paper players like Wijnaldum and deJong should be decent for the premier league. It feels like they get all the creativity and joy for the game sucked out of them before their first game.
    It makes me wonder who can come in Jan and make a difference. Maybe offer big money short term contracts to some gritty older players if the plan is to keep it tight and nick one on the counter

  • 21 cyprus // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:19 AM

    Most people want Ashley out, you want another one in?

    you are right that we got what we deserved, but fortuity plays its part, always. They scored with 5 seconds to spare. We haven’t been awarded a pen in like 3 years. Why wasn’t Mitro’s given?

    It’s our fault, I know, but Darlow comes on in the last minute and he’s more scared than that other poor young kid…

  • 22 jon.c // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:21 AM

    Dos S Mc believe in fairy tales we don’t so on your bike to the land of noddy

  • 23 Transfer Sage // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:21 AM


    That’s why I’d go for Williams at Swansea, he’s 31 but even for 8-10 mil he could be good for 3 years which will help us bring unproven lads like Mbemba into the team much easier.

    I’d like to see us bid for George Friends from Boro, I think he is a good player. Byram from Leeds is a good right back too, could come in and push Janmaat for a spot whilst improving.

    If we can’t buy a forward I’d be tempted to bring Arma back into the side and give him some game time. I think his pace could really help us up top.

  • 24 Transfer Sage // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:22 AM


    The more Ashley’s the better haha….or we could do a sap, Mike for Willaims?

  • 25 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:23 AM


    Leicester were actually dominating teams and just not getting the results all season before they went on the winning run! Signing Huth was a stroke of genius which steadied the ship we should have been all over signing him last season as he only cost 3 million !!

    We are not dominating teams we are getting bullied and outnumbered in midfield in every game while playing the same formation

    West Brom are woeful but even Pulis sent his team out to attack our right hand side for the whole game because he knew we would be exposed !! How can ordinary fans see it but Mclaren cant??!

  • 26 Transfer Sage // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:24 AM


  • 27 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:25 AM

    Also playing with no left winger against Arsenal will be suicide

    Bellerin and Walcott against Dummett for the whole game does not bear thinking about

  • 28 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:25 AM

    Morning Ron…so not even this lackluster 2015 puts pressure on Charnley?

    …and McClaren like Pardew before him can underperform as much as he likes with no consequences what so ever. Splendid 😉

    2016 here we come!

  • 29 Ron Knee // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:25 AM


    Hence my question earlier – Are Simpson and Cathro equally blind?

  • 30 Ron Knee // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:26 AM


    Welcome to the wonderful world of Ashley’s Newcastle!

  • 31 Transfer Sage // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:28 AM


    I think we all know those two you mention should be under pressure.

    The problem is that Ashley doesn’t appear to care, he seems to let people plod along and under perform year after year.

    Unless Ashley changes his approach and removes those and actually hires experienced people to run the club in a professional manner then we can’t expect much to change….even though we all know it should.

  • 32 spitfire_ // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM

    “We have to continue with the attitude and character we are showing at the present moment. You are just hoping that fortune will turn around”

    According to this, the problem isn’t in our display, it’s in the fortune… Now how deluded is this?

  • 33 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:33 AM

    @Ron Knee

    Well its funny but Cathro looks really uninterested whenever I watch the game literally no movement from him off the bench recently

    He is probably regretting the decision to leave Valencia to come to our shower of a club !!!

  • 34 spitfire_ // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:33 AM

    Oh yeah, and also before the season someone between Charnley and McClaren mention, that we will be making our own luck… There it is.

  • 35 hibbitt // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:39 AM

    sage…… other then go down that will be the only change

  • 36 Sazzer // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:39 AM

    There’s enough ability and quality in there. So onward we go. You are just hoping that fortune will turn around.

  • 37 Ron Knee // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:39 AM


    Perhaps he’s just horror-struck – like the rest of us!

  • 38 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:40 AM

    The best bet for the club to stay up is to go for some proven premiership players Sky Sports pundits yesterday where saying they think Steven Naismith is to be allowed to go on loan from Everton in my opinion he would be a great player for us to get as he has pace , battles for everything , can score goals and plays a number of positions

    Would not mind seeing us sign :

    Davies from Spurs to solve the left back issue
    Remy from Chelsea (probably on loan again)
    Naismith from Everton
    Shelvey from Swansea
    Carillo as a cheap foreign player for some depth

    Would also like another centre back as well but not sure who we can get !

  • 39 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:40 AM

    Ron/TS…I am even sure with Ashley’s obvious lack of knowledge that he’s being fed viable info by the likes of Charnley, Carr or even McClaren!

    …there’s no sane explanation ad to why Ashley would want to run Newcastle like this. For all the madness that is Mike Ashley I just don’t get this.

  • 40 The next Mike Williamson // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:41 AM

    @Transfer sage

    I would play (or at least try) the same team you suggested, although maybe Perez on left as he played well there last season. And if McClaren wants to keep Colback in team because he’s a senior pro then I’d play him left back (although I do think Dummet gives us a bit ariel ability we’re lacking throughout the rest of the team)


    I appreciate Pearson got them on the winning run so Ranieri can’t take all the plaudits. The remarkable thing is not Leicester’s scouts finding Vardy and Mahrez because the last two seasons Mahrez was nothing special (even in the Championship) and Vardy was on a 6 month goal drought. So this shows that a change of manager and system can turn an average player into a world beater. A good example is Ighalo who was a complete failure in Spain. His goal record is worse than Jozy Altidore’s, and he wasn’t particularly amazing in championship. Now under Flores he’s unstoppable. Makes you wonder how our players would perform under a good modern manager. Especially Ben Arfa & Cabella, maybe even Mitrovic. Imagine he actually got some service.

  • 41 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:43 AM

    @Ron Knee

    When Anita went down injured and Tiote came on I knew we were going to get beat it was the perfect time to put a winger on the left and move Wijnaldum into the middle but we kept with the same negative formation and allowed West Brom to dominate us !! They never dominate anyone !!

    Cathro has often spoken about wanting a team to press high up the field and win back possession quickly but we never seem to do this ?

  • 42 nut meg // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:46 AM

    Will we be swooping early this window?

  • 43 Ron Knee // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:47 AM


    To paraphrase Churchill: “NUFC is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.”

  • 44 AncientC // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:50 AM

    Ashley could possibly be considering selling club shares if we stay up next season. With the lucurative tv deal kicking in next year, club values could be about to peak.

    Ashley could lessen his investment, take shareholders money to pay his own debt, whilst at ths same time holding a controlling share to keep his free advertising.

    He was quite adamant that he was not going to sell the club, but that does not rule out other possibilities.

    If he is aware of what a failure he is as a football club owner, does not want to invest heavily enough etc, he must be thinking of ways to lessen the financial burden of relegation. Promising a positive era for the club, selling shares, then not delivering seems right up his street… so long as he isn’t hiding something in the books that he wants kept hidden that is.

  • 45 spitfire_ // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:51 AM

    @nut meg

    NO! McClaren today say this

    “That’s something we will discuss privately. We will sit down in the next few days and see where we go.”

    In other words, they didn’t decide yet! And all the talk about the next three windows, was just bollocks.They should have a plan, but as always, they’re totally unprepared. The club at every single level is run by morons.

  • 46 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:51 AM

    @The Next Mike Williamson

    Flores was someone who should have been considered ! He took 2 weeks training at Watford to decide which players were going to be good enough for him including a few players who had done well the season before !!

    I am guessing that Mclaren was told under club orders to get the best out of the current squad although the decision to get rid of Abeid and Jonas is coming back to haunt us could have done with their battling qualities this season!!

  • 47 bill // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:51 AM

    You guys have got it all wrong, McClaren was given the task of getting Newcatle to 18th in the league and he on target as far as l can see; or was it 8th???

  • 48 nut meg // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:55 AM

    Yes I know,it was tongue in cheek as we all know nufc don’t do swooping.

  • 49 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Dec 29, 2015 at 9:58 AM

    *should even sure

  • 50 Transfer Sage // Dec 29, 2015 at 10:01 AM


    I agree with you.

    Even without investing his own money Ashley could get the club performing much better by having better men in key positions. That way the club would perform better, make more money and at least would keep the fans off his back. Plus it would give him something decent to watch seeing as he is there often.

    For me it comes down to a lack of interest, he simply doesn’t care as long as we survive and the club doesn’t cost him anything to run.

    If we went down I think he’d be mortified and we’d struggle to come back.

  • 51 Ron Knee // Dec 29, 2015 at 10:18 AM


    That’s another mystery. Ashley isn’t like an absentee landlord. He actually sits there and watches the dross served up!

  • 52 The next Mike Williamson // Dec 29, 2015 at 10:22 AM

    I thought Watford were certain to go down after losing their manager who got them promoted and bringing in 10-20 players most of who I’d never heard of. Leicester brought in some good players and have so much pace, but they’re still a massive surprise. It’s a weird season. Maybe all this TV money is closing the gap on the big six who have been collecting the champions league money for decades.

  • 53 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Dec 29, 2015 at 10:23 AM

    Patrick Bamford is terminated loan at Palace anyone take him on loan – I know it is a step up but did OK at boro

  • 54 John Tudor // Dec 29, 2015 at 10:26 AM

    leicester did not sit on their ass’s trying to defend and hope to nick a fcuking goal

  • 55 jimmysmith // Dec 29, 2015 at 10:26 AM

    He’s failed to create a team. We do lack quality, but we are still less than the sum of our parts. McC, Carr, Charnley, Ashley, all need kick up the backside from the club’s peerless fans. Not good enough.

  • 56 Shot Bru // Dec 29, 2015 at 10:38 AM

    Typical patronising statement served up by another inept manager. Feeling sorry for the fans after yet another turgid performance.

    Wally, you should open your ears at the next game and listen to the boos and 4 letter insults thrown your way and to the rest of the boys club.

    Stop insulting our intelligence by saying we deserved more or the quality and character is there.

    Who can predict what this rabble of a board and owner will come up with for this transfer window!

    Probably Peter Crouch on loan

  • 57 John Tudor // Dec 29, 2015 at 10:40 AM

    not good enough mucca WALK

  • 58 Our Toon // Dec 29, 2015 at 10:41 AM

    Have to say yesterday was a shocker, we should have had a stonewall pen and a red for Evans when he grabbed mitrovic and stopped him from scoring.

    My biggest gripe with McClaren is the way we set up to play teams, I have no issues with 2 DM my issue is that teams like Leicester and Watford etc press high up the pitch, like we did against Liverpool and Spurs in the 2nd half. We seem to have reverted back to sitting deep and inviting pressure.

    For this system to work we need Wij, Perez and Sissoko to be given freedom to roam and rotate….Unfortunately we don’t and look very rigid and broke whenever attacking….hoping something happens!! Sack him now and bring in a foreign manager!!

    As for Naismith, can’t believe a handful would be happy with signing such a shite player!!

  • 59 John Tudor // Dec 29, 2015 at 10:46 AM

    they need a message delivered

    before its too late

    it probably is already

  • 60 nut meg // Dec 29, 2015 at 10:47 AM

    Didn’t Charnley say that he doesn’t think about the transfer window short term,only mid and long term.Maybe he already has the targets lined up…..on the other hand!

  • 61 Our Toon // Dec 29, 2015 at 10:53 AM

    Charney does fusk all, he’s a face for people to associate with and to point the finger at. Ashley is very much hands on behind the scenes.

  • 62 Jib // Dec 29, 2015 at 10:53 AM

    Sacking the manager has really worked for Villa and the Scum 😎

  • 63 John Tudor // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    no-one said sack him dooley

  • 64 firebug666 // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    Some interesting discussions reading through the blog this morning, particularly on our scouting set-up and how it works.

    Personally I don’t think we bother splashing the cash of flights to go and scout players, why would we when Ashley has Wyscout installed.

    The inept one said it himself when he was here, we can learn everything we want to know about a player from using the software, it is constantly updated.

    I think this is how we scout now, and this is why recruiting mistakes are made.

  • 65 Jib // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:04 AM

    Lemmy Kilmister

  • 66 John Tudor // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:04 AM

    i said he needs to walk

    and the message is stay away

  • 67 AncientC // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:09 AM

    Sacking the manager has really worked for Villa and the Scum”

    It has worked for Sunderland in the previous couple of seasons.

    Villa were well on their way to the Championship anyway, at least if they go down, they will know they tried an alternative.

  • 68 Transfer Sage // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:10 AM

    The next Mike Williamson

    I think the TV money has meant that even bottom clubs can attract players who are capable of playing to a high level. They just don’t have as many as the top clubs and they aren’t quite as consistent.

    A well organised defence and a couple of quality players in the forward areas can mean that any team can win any game.

    I’d even say teams like Bayern and Barca wouldn’t dominate this league as every game would be tough, there are no freebies really. It means you can’t rotate as much, you can’t turn up knowing you will win playing at 50%….its a tough league.

    The quality might not be the same as the very vest sides in Europe put it’s better than most.

    I think part of the reason we struggle in the champions league here isn’t down to quality but down to tiredness, top sides can’t rest half the team the weekend before.

  • 69 lordy_geordie // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:11 AM

    Moyes is 3-1 and brendan Rogers 4-1. Others in frame are Harry Redknapp, Patrick Vieira and Frank De boer. Now dunno bout anyone else but they are all better than Mclaren. Id want Rogers/ De boer

  • 70 stuart no9 // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:11 AM

    sadly im getting as annoyed now listening to maclaren as what i did listeneing to pards ,
    On the transfer front , does anyone think a few players coming in ( if they do ) will make the slightest bit of difference to the ” club”. i cant see it , unless he spends a lot of money on a proper finisher , i cant see where we go from here .We have had the opportunity to get 3 points against everton – even if we didnt deserve them , but again as against villa and WBA on the 2 attempts we had woeful finishing has cost us . Its clear micho needs to go back on the bench but saying that , who have we got ??? . I just cant see our goal tally getting any better at the minute and if that dosnt change – QUICK , there is only going to be one outcome.

  • 71 calvinzolamakongo // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:11 AM

    All we need is 45 mill to spend on shelvey long and cresswell all a good age and definately gettable and exactly what we need pace up front with ability to finish playmaker with a great pass set peice and long range shot and a quick left back who can defend as well as attack with a great left foot and set piece also

  • 72 John Tudor // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    and google teams that have replaced a manger and beat the drop
    i bet it far outways the ones who aren’t replaced

  • 73 jayphoto // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    Pretty sure its the worst kept secret in football that Cathro came under the hint that he would be succeeding McClaren eventually? He turned down actual manager jobs to come and we saw with Carver that Ashley prefers to appoint from within…

  • 74 Transfer Sage // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:13 AM


    I think there is no clear cut solution. Sacking the manager doesn’t work if the players aren’t good enough or if you appoint an equally poor manager after,

    It can work if the manager has lost the team or if he isn’t good enough.

  • 75 John Tudor // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:13 AM

    and comment like that jib just goes to show you enjoy stirring it up 8)

  • 76 calvinzolamakongo // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:14 AM

    That is basically 10 for long 15 for shelvey and 15 for cresswell with 5 mill for wages

  • 77 Our Toon // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:17 AM


    The sacking of Sherwood and Scum manager has resulted in both teams picking up more points than under previous managers!! The problem Garde has it that its an impossible task to keep them up, media in Midlands claim he’s doing well considering the rubbish he has.

    As for Fat Sham he’s picked up more points and over the past 3 seasons sacking the manager has worked wonders for them, keeping them in the league each time the axe was wielded….but yes you are right it doesn’t work!!

  • 78 Transfer Sage // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:17 AM

    stuart no9

    I think a quality finisher who gets goals from nothing (like Ba did) could help. It might mean we pick up a few more points.

    To really be safe though we need to sign a couple of players who create chances as well, otherwise the new player would still be feeding off scraps and not get many more goals.


    I think Rodgers is a boring manager, he doesn’t play good football, just keeps possession without doing a lot. His swansea side often won 1-0.

  • 79 firebug666 // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:18 AM


    I think McClaren needs to go, I never wanted him here in the first place, but I was willing to give him a chance.

    He has had that chance, and beyond hoping he could do well, he has delivered what I expected.

    Some may say it’s because his hand are tied and he has to work with what he is given, and to some extent that is true, but it’s what he signed up to.

    The reason he should go is simple, the game has passed his type of management by, he can no longer identify with the modern game, and fails to see where the problems lie on the pitch, or how to get the best out of what he has.

    Was going to ramble on more but have to go out.

  • 80 John Tudor // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:19 AM

    the players he has are fine but cannot play as a team what muccas comfortable at setting up therefore not up to the job

  • 81 Our Toon // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:25 AM

    Transfer sage

    European leagues are alot stronger than they people, look the Spanish league for example, over the past 5 years teams that have finished 6th and 8th have beaten the winners over 2 legged games. Ath Madrid smashed chelsea 5-1, Barcelona would walk the prem as would Bayern….the best player in the prem over the past few years….Suarez is probably the 4th best player in the Spanish league.

    Even in the Spanish and German leagues any side can beat the top clubs….Our top clubs aren’t anywhere near the level of Spanish or German top sides. Man Utd out of the champions league, what some people fail to understand is that Bayern and Barca etc can play at 75% in games and win comfortably because they are that good, it’s not down to the other teams not being competitive enough!!

  • 82 jayphoto // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:27 AM

    Personally i trust McClaren to get us out of it but he needs 15/20m to go buy who he wants and it’ll have to be players for now that probably won’t set the world alight or have huge sell on value but who will keep us up!
    Taylor being back will be a huge plus if he stays fit! As will Tiote but both are suspect for fitness!
    Personally think a short term move for Jedinak would be wise. Hes a leader in the middle!

  • 83 toon22 // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:28 AM

    If Cathro is to be our new manager i cant see fatso sacking SMC,it will cost him money.
    Its more likley he will move him to director of football.
    Something i think he will be pritty good at imho.

  • 84 Our Toon // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:28 AM

    The current set up is all wrong, we have no attacking threat from the left, Wijinaldum obviously is wasted out there, Dummett refuses to attempt to get a cross in. He’s utterly clueless in setting this lot up to win games

  • 85 AncientC // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:29 AM

    I remember Middlesbrough trying the stand by your man routine when Southgate was in charge, that ended very badly for them as I recall.

    Everything thought Southampton were crazy to get rid of Adkins.

    If better players are out there, clubs have no problem making moves to improve their squads by releasing players and bringing in better – why should it be any different for the managerial/coaching roles.

    Even good managers become stale after a while and need replaced, some managers just never get things moving at all.

  • 86 Transfer Sage // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:33 AM

    Our toon

    I’d disagree, I don’t watch much German football but watch a lot of Spanish. They lower sides have decent players but few match winners and the intensity is often lower. Teams have time to rest in possession a lot and stroll through games.

    When teams do decide to go for Barca or Real they often give them a game, but more often than not they seem happy just sitting back taking a 2-0 defeat and moving on the following week. Barca and Real dominate financially and other sides can’t compete.

    Arsenal have beaten both bayern and barca in games in the previous few seasons. Chelsea drew with bayern then won on penalties.

    These teams are better than our lot but not massively so. It would be a total different ball game if they played in our league in my opinion.

    Unfortunately it’s not something we could ever see, so I guess we’ll never know for sure.

  • 87 Our Toon // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:35 AM

    Stuart not

    As for mitrovic debate and needing goalscorers, let’s look at some of the leading scorers in the league

    Igalho gets the service he needs but scores 1 goal in every 7 or 8 attempts.

    Lukaku – had 5 or 6 good chances against us and fluffed them all, mainly shooting straight at the keeper, he’s another who needs minimum 5 chances to score.

    Vardy – Had 4 or 5 good chances against us before scoring, another who needs lots of chances before finding the net

    Kane – had more shots than any other player in the league and couldn’t find the net early on in the season, another who needs 4 or 5 chances to score.

    Now look at our boys, get minimum 2 chances per game if that at times, not even the best strikers in the world score 1 in every 2 chances, mitro missed a sitter against Everton no doubting that but whilst he got minimum 2 chances and playing at home the fella at the other end also drew a blank after getting 5 or 6 good chances.

    Don’t blame strikers if you struggle to create many chances….not just talking about 1 or 2 chances I’m talking 6 or 8 per game!!

  • 88 Transfer Sage // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:35 AM


    Agree there….Look at Sir Alex. Although he was consistent he went through a lot of assistant managers as he said each one would bring something new to the group and it was his way of keeping things fresh.

  • 89 Munster Mag // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:35 AM

    Havent been on here much in the last week or so ( Happy Christmas lads, but NUFC always have a crap christmas) but here are some general observations from me. And they havent changed much over time!

    – McClaren isnt good enough. He is an excuse monster and probably worse than Pardew, because he has better players that Pardew did towards the end of his reign. And now pardew is top 7 or something , which is annoying in itself.
    -McClaren is all talk – a spin machine who is ell versed in using words ( eg “confidence”) in his press announcements to hide his own ineptitude. New word is “consistency” . Consistant what ? Consistant 45 minute performances??
    – The spine of the team needs to be strengthened, plus one winger
    – Carr as the de factor DOF should hang his head in shame.
    – He will also choose our next manager
    -Thank goodness it wasnt Remi garde – who he also fancied. How USELESS is Carr ??
    – A central midfielder who is both athletic and decent on the ball is needed. We have too many small men in there.
    -McClaren is a bluffer
    -As things stand, I dont think we can survive. Villa are gone, but if Sam saves the makems with a couple of good signings, we are definitely gone.
    – Thauvin was a waste of money. I have said this from day 1, and nothing convinces me that he can make the grade consistently ( ha, that word again! )
    – Relegaton could mean that teams like Hull and Middlesboro could be better than us, and take our place permanently in the premiership, due to the cash windfall. A scary proposition.

  • 90 jayphoto // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:36 AM

    Also, im response to all the Charlie Austin stories, heres 5 strikers from the championship that i feel are better players based on what ive seen this season.
    Andre Grey! Looks made for the premier League
    Lucas Joao! How this guy is playing in championship il never know.
    Abel Hernandez. Seems more settled now and looks like the player from Palermo.
    Chris Martin. – good striker, puts the work in too, holds up well!
    Oddly- Clayton Donaldson based on this season has been excellent. 31 but seems to be only getting better.
    Im not saying sign any of these players,gray would be decent but the others probably not but just throw in Rhodes and a couple others and Charlie Austin is far from the be all and end all of strikers in the lower leagues

  • 91 John Tudor // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:37 AM

    tight git wont cow tow to the fans no-one in of note cash sales out and it wont be the deadwood

  • 92 Transfer Sage // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:37 AM

    our toon

    These are conversion rates from earlier in the season. Take a look.

    It kind of backs up what you say.

    The other side to the argument is that does Mitro/Perez get themselves in the right place often enough for chances to be created. Do they do enough themselves even with the sub standard service?

  • 93 Transfer Sage // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:40 AM

    our toon

    and figures from last season

    Seams the best conversion rate is 1 in 4 for a single player then 1 in 5 for the next few best.

  • 94 jayphoto // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    @ourtoon – newcastle have created the least chances in the league!
    Feel for mitro a bit. His game at Anderlecht was based around crosses being put in, he never gets that from sissoko or gini as both are naturally central players and janmaat and dummett cant cross 9 times out of 10.
    Think he would benefit from Thauvin playing more! In 5 minutes against everton and villa he put more crosses in that anyone had all game.
    Anderlecht played to mitros strengths and even in champions league he looked great!
    Personally i like his knock downs, they need a striker to play closer to him though!
    Surprised he hasnt tried mitro and de jong as siem naturally plays much closer to a striker and links well although that wasnt most clearl with cisse as no one links well with him

  • 95 Our Toon // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    Transfer sage

    You are right it’s something we can never measure, the best way to measure this though is by looking at how our best play against these countries teams.

    Man utd couldn’t beat Psv at home and lost away

    Arsenal won at home against Bayern in a game where Arsenal sat back and did exactly what you say lessor teams do against bayern and Barca in there respective leagues….Bayern dominated the game but lost 2 nil, in much though wasn’t it 4-1? Or worse can’t remember off the top of my head.

    As for Barca they’ve knocked out Arsenal a couple of times now and citeh, they always dominate the ball and these side have beaten them by sitting back and soaking up pressure again much like the weaker sides of the leagues.

    When Arsenal beat Munich 63% of the game was played in Arsenals half. Europe this season also paints a grim picture for the state of British clubs, Arsenal scrapping through, same with Chelsea, Citeh did well, Man utd out. Southampton and west ham knocked out of Europa cup before group stages to the mighty Danish and Romanian clubs….Both played strongest squads available to them so what’s the excuse for them performing so badly over 2 legs?

  • 96 Munster Mag // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:44 AM

    Our Toon, I dont blame Mitro either. The service is awful. That said, I would be surprised if he scored 15 goals a year for us, even with good service. He offers little on the ground.

  • 97 jayphoto // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:45 AM

    Id love to see us try
    Janmaat colo mbemba mbabu
    Gini Tiote
    Sissoko de jong thauvin

    Gini is by a mile our best player. Makes sense to me to play him central where hel see more of the ball

  • 98 lesh // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:49 AM

    “We’ll sit down over the next few days” to discuss transfers? The next few days? That beggars belief!

    The Club’s been at risk of relegation from day one and the need to shore up the defence, introduce some creativity and get an experienced striker was more than evident during the last window. But did they buy what we needed then? No chance!

    Given we’ve been in or near the relegation places all season, there needs to be decisive action as soon as the window opens. Leaving things untill the last minute will cost points.

    But at what financial cost when we’re relegated?

  • 99 Our Toon // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:50 AM


    Interesting stats mate, the problem we’ve always had is getting enough numbers in the box, I think the 2 lads do get in the box but the supply is awful.

    Take dummett for example, yesterday he could have crossed the ball into the box at least 6 times….but instead the dummy turns back and plays it to Colo meaning we have to start again.

    Another example from the weekend, De Bruyne cross for Sterling header was a peach, they had 3 players though around the 6 yard line….look at us when crosses come in, 1 or 2 players at the most which is just not acceptable…the buck stops with the wally

  • 100 toon kk // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:52 AM

    Our toon
    While I find myself agreeing with a lot of your posts, I know we could benefit from a new coach, but only if we had the correct players. Our squad simply lacks cutting edge in front of goal, creativity, pace and we all know about our defence.
    One of my greatest concerns is the total lack of knowledge within the club, from poor scouting to lack of leadership on the pitch.
    Charmless and MA totally out of there depth.
    Also so many fans looking for someone to blame, most don’t know anymore than Mash if they think our squad are capable of a top ten finished. Investment on the correct players is needed or we will go down.

  • 101 Transfer Sage // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:53 AM

    Our toon

    I don’t mind how teams win, Arsenal had a clear game plan at home to Bayern, to play on the counter and it worked a treat.

    I think British sides have been poor this year in general though.

    Like I say, I think we often play higher intensity games in our league and as such players aren’t quite 100% for the mid week games. I can’t measure this so hard to say how much of an impact it has, it does in my opinion but that is just an opinion, I can’t prove it further.

    I think Man Utd have been poor this year, losing to all types of teams in the prem league so they had no chance in Europe….they just don’t attack.

  • 102 Transfer Sage // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:56 AM

    Our toon

    I agree there, we don’t have numbers in the box so if the cross is slightly off then the forward has no chance.

    By getting more in the box you cause panic in a defence if nothing else which is worth a few goals a season at least.


    Depends what he means by discussing transfers. Do we have them lined up and we need to make the decision on which ones to close in on or have they not even considered who is available.

  • 103 SPRINGY // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:56 AM

    morning all
    the one thing about macca that is really starting to get my back up is the flanel….he smiles like theres nowt wrong while the club crumbles around him…..he spouts on about being consistant….yet nothing changes……we’ve been out played most of the season by everyone even lower league sides and american warm up sides and if we have’nt been out played we still have’nt won enough games…..christ man grow a back bone…be disappointed,make changes,fight,quit …..something,anything!!…other then flanel on about what he reckons he can see on the pitch coz i cant see it and im sure not many other supporters can if they are honest….was quite willing to give him time…but how much time do we have left to save this season…..he is’nt the only problem at the club i do know this but his flanel is irratating me, we are not as good or things are not as good as he is making out…….rant over

  • 104 Our Toon // Dec 29, 2015 at 11:57 AM


    Let’s not forget mitro is only young and it’s his first season in the prem….it took lukaku 3 years to become the player he is now, mitro is very good with his back to goal and will thrive off good crosses….but will miss some chances as well like all strikers do. Think people forget just how hard it can be to adjust, not just to the prem but also to a new team.

    People say buy proven premiership players…..there’s no such thing as proven, you might be success at 1 club but doesn’t mean you will be at another, Torres being the perfect example, Gosling here, Routledge etc etc. Patience is needed with Mitro, he’s 4 goals off Ayoze total for last season…yet Perez is lauded on here!!

  • 105 Our Toon // Dec 29, 2015 at 12:12 PM


    Agree it’s something which is very hard to measure buy one thing which is certain is that a team with alot possession work alot less than a team without possession, Bayern and Barca dominate possession so in my opinion they don’t run out of steam as they don’t have to run as far or work as hard as other teams trying to stop them. It’s a game of opinions though, I respect your opinion and hope British clubs do better in Europe as it affects our Co efficient rating.

    Fabregas played a starring role in Chelsea’s title win yet couldn’t get in Barca team!!

  • 106 Ian Toon // Dec 29, 2015 at 12:29 PM

    I don’t very often blame the manager. However it made little sense not to play a 4-3-3 formation against a WBA side playing with three in the middle. With little Vurn we were always going to be unable to impose ourselves against a physically strong Albion midfield and we were simply inept in this key area.. Colback playing clearly not fully fit tried but overall failed to stem a growing tide of attacks as the game progressed. The defence as a unit played well but we simply constantly did not retain possession and work the ball out of our half . I blogged the day before the game where the the game could be won or lost and so it came to pass. I won’t repeat myself on the priority need to acquire a creative midfielder. How about Cabaye, Gosling or even Abeid anyone?
    In any event Macca did get the team selection wrong. I also expected more from Wijnaldum who barely warrants a start on that performance although the limited range of passing and movement around him doesn’t help his movement.
    On the ST front Mitrovic offered little. The weakness in this area falls also to a lack of creativity in the midfield and wide areas – simply getting early balls into the box. We need to stretch the play and the introduction of Thauvin earlier could have offered an alternative. Macca did have options! . Mitrovic lacks pace and therefore static movement around him doesn’t help his battling style. Although He should have been awarded a blatant penalty. Perez was also not a force but when I watch him I always feel he might produce something.
    Against Arsenal we really do need to compete in the possession stakes and de Jong should start.

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