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Agent Of Newcastle Target Speaks Of Possible Move

3:30 pm, Wednesday, December 30th, 2015 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 116 Comments

There is news today in Italy on Newcastle defensive target – Napoli’s Kalidou Koulibaly – and his agent Bruno Satin has been talking to Radio Crc and sheds some light on the situation with the player and how Newcastle are involved.

Koulibaly only joined Napoli in the summer of 2014, and is he is now getting regular playing time under new coach Maurizio Sarri,  but when he first arrived then Napoli coach Rafael Benitez – now at real Madrid, didn’t play him much and didn’t have him as a starter in the side.

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Napoli’s 24 year-old central defender Kalidou Koulibaly

This is what Bruno Satin has said today:

“At the start of the year he wasn’t so happy because he wasn’t getting a lot of game time.” “This season he’s got the coach’s backing and he’s growing a lot, he wants to reach even further heights.”

When the right time comes we may discuss a renewal, but if Napoli want to keep him then they have to consider the fact that Newcastle United could offer an even better deal.”

“It’s normal though that Newcastle will of course try their best to sign him when they are trying to escape relegation whilst Napoli are aiming to win the league.”

“There are no problems between the player and club and when the time comes to discuss a new contract we will do so calmly,”

“Napoli President Aurelio De Laurentiis can make his offer and then Koulibaly will decide on his future.”  “We are still in contact with all the big clubs, but he won’t leave Naples in January.”

Koulibaly already has a contract that runs though June of 2019, so it seems Newcastle’s best chance of getting the player is to offer him a good deal and hope for two things.

One is that Naples don’t give him a good counter offer, and then the second thing is that he is willing to join Newcastle, who are struggling against relegation.

There are other Premier League clubs also interested in the player.

Newcastle have reportedly already had a £6M offer for the player turned down for Koulibaly, but we assume the club will go back in with a bigger offer.

In order to be successful in this January transfer window Newcastle must be prepared to pay a little over the odds for their targets, given that our Premier League survival is at stake.

Comments welcome.



Tags: Newcastle News · Recruitment · Scouting Network · Transfer News and Rumours · Transfer Target




116 responses so far ↓

  • 1 optimistic prime // Dec 30, 2015 at 3:34 PM

    Next

  • 2 lesh // Dec 30, 2015 at 3:35 PM

    It’s his agent who’s angling to screw more money out of Napoli or whoever’ll pay it.

    It won’t be NUFC but it’ll be interesting to see where he ends up.

    Oh, and there is the small matters of a lack of Prem experience and the AfCoN.

    Ah, but mere detail

  • 3 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 3:41 PM

    Lesh

    Prem experience counts for nothing mate, another myth. Look at the best players in the prem, none of them had any prem experience at some point. Torres had plenty of prem experience so common consensus would have it that he’d of excelled at Chelsea, same with Carroll at Liverpool and Downing.

    Leicester have Kante no prem experience bought for 5.6m this season and he’s won more interceptions than any other player in European football

    West Ham….Payet need I say more on him.

    For a player to be successful everything needs to be important, especially the type of club they are and the football they play!!

  • 4 lesh // Dec 30, 2015 at 3:48 PM

    Our Toon

    But how long does it usually take a stranger to the Prem to bed in?

    There are exceptions I know but surely we need players who can get into the team in the positions we need strengthening and make a difference from day one. We can’t afford to fanny on with Carr’s usual offerings!

  • 5 Rotonda heights // Dec 30, 2015 at 3:49 PM

    Our toon

    Spot on as usual. If you’re good enough you’ll adapt quickly. Clubs are 90% foreign players and coaches now so familiarise far quicker these days and hit the ground running.

    Many English players sometimes have difficulty adapting to moving clubs

  • 6 Hail Wor Ashley // Dec 30, 2015 at 3:51 PM

    Put me in charge and I’ll sign Glik, Shelvey and Robertson.

    It’s that easy. Sign them and we stay up and can look forward to next season. Then sign Austin on a free in the summer.

    Schteve is losing the faith fast!

  • 7 jazzyp // Dec 30, 2015 at 3:54 PM

    Villa in talks to bring Remy in on loan…would be worth a punt for half a season,Gotta be better than Riviere or Cisse in our ranks to rely on

  • 8 Hail Wor Ashley // Dec 30, 2015 at 3:55 PM

    Shelvey really is a no brainer. Playmaker with a good range of passing, fairly mobile, can crack shots from distance, soemthing nobody else in the squad can do, so adds another threat and he can take set-pieces better than anybody we currently have.

    Robertson likewise, in an attacking sense, he and Dummet are night and day. Dummet simply isn’t comfortabel on the ball, which is astonishing or a pro footballer, never mind PL level. Robertson is quicker, a natural on the ball, has a good cross and links up well, alos has the engine to get up and down for 90.

  • 9 MadisonToon // Dec 30, 2015 at 4:03 PM

    Shelvey is a good move. I like the idea of Dzagoev, but I’m not sure he’d be any better than Shelvey. Shelvey works hard, doesn’t give up, can see a pass and is English – counts toward our homegrown total which is important since we all agree that some of those players need to go [Dummett, willo, etc.]. Dzagoev might provide a better attacking player and could provide better vision and creation, but could also be an expensive flop which worries me a bit – we don’t have the time to waste on another one of those.

    On this thread, this lad could be fine but doesn’t look to be moving before the summer and we need to fix our problems sooner than the summer. If we are in the Championship next season, nobody we should be aiming for will be signed so we can’t play the waiting game. The ball’s in your court Ashley, what are you going to do?

  • 10 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 4:05 PM

    Lesh and Rotonda

    I’d take a Cisse type signing now similar to the season when we finished 5th. 13 goals in 14 games was it?

    Problem we have is no matter who signs if anyone, they’ll be in a dogfight…..the atmosphere will be different and difficult….pressure will be extreme. I’m not holding my breath under McClaren….think if he’s shipped out then we stand a better chance of survival, if you insist on playing 2 ball winners with 1 person in the box at all times you’ll struggle no matter who’s bought in over January.

  • 11 hibbitt // Dec 30, 2015 at 4:14 PM

    we can all huff and puff as much as we want…. put name forward…. say players are good or bad…. make out we all could do a better job….. but only one man rules this club only the format he wants will happen no one else matters to mr ashley

  • 12 nightfa11 // Dec 30, 2015 at 4:23 PM

    now thats a chairman

    http://www.claretandhugh.info/sullivan-bilic-asked-for-30m-transfer-kitty/?

  • 13 jazzyp // Dec 30, 2015 at 4:27 PM

    Madison
    Kalidou could turn out o be a good signing. but do you not think that this constant signing of 5-6 mill players that just keeps us ticking over is finally taking its toll on the club.
    Van dijk would have been a perfect signing and slotted in at the back without a problem as he has at the saints

  • 14 nearly // Dec 30, 2015 at 4:29 PM

    sometimes i love the crack on here have i really just read on an earlier post calling for marveux to be given a chance as he is a proper no 10 REALLY

  • 15 Jib // Dec 30, 2015 at 4:30 PM

    McClaren has found the Pardew quatation book at Benton

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/steve-mcclaren-talks-surprise-new-10667927

  • 16 Jib // Dec 30, 2015 at 4:32 PM

    quotation even

  • 17 Blackley and Brownlie // Dec 30, 2015 at 4:32 PM

    Our Toon
    Your acclaimed book of tactics. On which page do I find 5 players marking nobody while leaving 4 opposition players attacking the 6 yard box where there are only 2 defenders? I’m dying to hear this.

  • 18 Blackley and Brownlie // Dec 30, 2015 at 4:36 PM

    Nearly
    We need a creative type player like Marveaux who can pick out a pass. Anita and Colback are too similar. As are Sissoko and Gini. None can regularly pick out a telling pass. When Marveaux at his best would be ideal now.

  • 19 Blackley and Brownlie // Dec 30, 2015 at 4:42 PM

    Graham Carr might just save the day with our new signing. Like a new signing. Manu Riviere. You couldn’t make it up. Getting f***** Armstrong back. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

  • 20 Jib // Dec 30, 2015 at 4:49 PM

    Fulham have appointed Macabee Tel Aviv manager Slavisa Jokanovic as manager

  • 21 Blackley and Brownlie // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:03 PM

    Getting. I mean get.

  • 22 nearly // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:04 PM

    blackley and brownlie

    as i say REALLY .no doubts we need a creative player but marveux he is bone idle no work rate and gives up far to easily he shows some good touches but do you really think he is worth a try , im not a sissoko fan hope they sell him and let him live his dream of champions league football good luck with that dont think he will ever be more than a squad player at a champions league club,thats why he is still playing for us ,no way is he to similar to wini , wini is a proper no 10 just hasnt got the players around him yet and is playing out of position but it will come nxt year youll see ,i think anita is a quality player who is being destroyed by playing as a defensive midfielder along side colback i really think he is best suited as left hand side midfielder maybe we will see nxt season when a quality leftback comes in if they they dont sell him before then

  • 23 jazzyp // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:05 PM

    Only reason there is any thought of keeping Manu at the club is that we must be preparing for the Championship.
    There is desperate then there is Riviere !!

  • 24 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:12 PM

    Blackley

    You won’t find it in any coaching book unless it’s one made up by you maybe!!

    Everyone….almost everyone has blamed Darlow but you. You don’t understand how a defensive unit is supposed to work, the only thing that was apparent is you’ve never played the sport or haven’t been involved in any capacity be it junior or Senior standard of football.

    The goal wasn’t scored by the 2 free lads on the back post, it was scored by a late run from midfield (which happens alot) by a player who was in between Janmaat and Mbemba. Defensively it was one of our best performances, blocks, interceptions etc. So your argument holds no water mate. It’s an illogical rant over opposition players being free who did nothing to score the goal.

    Darlow should have saved it, I said yesterday you’ll argue otherwise until you are blue in the face because that’s you. I’m not always right amd can be swayed by opinion but I can hold my hand up and say I’m wrong, you are laughable in this relentless defence of Darlow.

    I’ll cut the youngster some slack because it’s a tough environment to come in especially mentally but it was an unfortunate error by the keeper who didn’t cover himself in glory by letting the ball squirm past him.

    For the record when the LB pushes out to close down a cross the Left CB has to push past the near post to close the gap between him and the LB, the RCB come more central to cover for the LCB and the right back ends up on the back post to cover for the RCB, the right winger is also pushed in…..that’s how it should work. I’ll check up some classes for you to attend, get you away from the Colo scapegoating lessons you’ve been taking buddy

  • 25 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:14 PM

    Jib

    Is that the same bloke who got Watford promoted?

  • 26 Blackley and Brownlie // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:14 PM

    Nearly
    I haven’t a clue what happened to Marveaux or what state he’s in now. But I liked him when he was playing well. Very creative.

  • 27 MadisonToon // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:16 PM

    jazzyp

    Van Dijk would have been a really good purchase. I think Ashley sees the big impact some 5-6m players have (Payet, Kante, etc.) and thinks he could get one or two and then that’s our strategy. Hopefully we see a new plan come into play soon but I doubt it.

  • 28 Rotonda heights // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:16 PM

    jib

    that was announced a couple of days ago. is your google not as state of the art and cutting edge as you thought.

  • 29 Jib // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:19 PM

    Our Toon
    Yeah he fell out with Watford (over money – what else ?) and Flores replaced him.

  • 30 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:26 PM

    Relegated or staying in the prem I don’t think Gini will be here. Someone will snap him up, Chelsea, Man utd or some other good CL club.

  • 31 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:27 PM

    Jib

    Ahh yes thought it was him, surprising Watford let him go, Mr Flores is doing well though with players who have less technical ability. A manager who is getting the best out of what he has!!

  • 32 Munster Mag // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:29 PM

    Blackley, problem for Steve is that Marv is a bit powder puff and wont last long in central midfield. We have players like De Jong ( overrated crock ) , Sissoko ( fraud, as i have been saying for 3 years ) and Wiji and the manager doesnt really know where to play them because he didnt choose them. The system is a mess at the club. If Sam keeps the makems up we are gone. I was certain he would save them, but am hoping they have too many bad players. Sadly its vital that they have to be really bad, because we are running out of teams to mess up. I have a feeling WBA could fall late.

  • 33 SPRINGY // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:31 PM

    our toon
    i think it all boils down to how much is spent now, the position we are in at the end off the season,and the early money spent in the summer…that will decide where gini ends up….he’s done good but has had some poor games so not convinced the biggest clubs will scrapping over him,relegaton he’ll be gone like a lot of players

  • 34 croftus5678 // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:31 PM

    even though colo is in gret form over the last 2 games koulibaly would be a huge great signing imo.

    we should go all out for him and shelvey and austin imo.

    ——————-elliott—————–
    jan——mbem——kou———hair
    siss——wij——–shel———-thau
    ————mit——aus—————–

    elliott has earnt 1st place above krul imo and even though i’d love a lw and another lb like willems and rb for janmaat cover i think i’m being very greedy 😉

  • 35 Blackley and Brownlie // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:32 PM

    Our Toon
    The only way you’ll see that sort of defending in a coaching manual is on the page “How not to do it”. Colo should have a chapter all of his own.

    BTW, I never said Darlow couldn’t have done better. But that cross could’ve landed on any of those 4 attackers heads and Fletcher could easily have given Darlow or any goalkeeper no chance whatsoever.

    I suppose you believe Colo is up to the job because this is how we invariably concede and you attach no blame to him. Why do you reckon most fans have been clamouring for a top CB? Is it to replace Mbemba or act as cover for Colo?

  • 36 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:35 PM

    Springy

    Aye kind of agree on that but other teams will look at the club he’s at and he’s surrounded by a vast amount of rubbish especially in the managerial department but has managed to get 7 goals….he’ll get double figures and for a midfielder in a struggling team that’s some return!! Add to that he’s playing out of position

  • 37 SPRINGY // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:37 PM

    croftus
    i’d agree with you about elliot…he’s done well deserves his chance and tbh krul has been iffy for a while now….gini alongside someone like shelvey would be worth looking at but i have’nt been convinced by gini when he’s dropped in the cm recently….looks lost… but maybe playing alongside someone like shelvey could get the best out of him maybe?

  • 38 nearly // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    our toon

    if we were to sort ourselves out as a team and start pushing up the league you would be surprised at the quality of players that would love to come here,gini is no different why do you think he came in the first place he had offers from top teams that play in the champions league every year ,also he had offers from premier league clubs,lots of players love this football club and would come here at a click of a finger if we started showing the ambition that is being promised

  • 39 SPRINGY // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:43 PM

    our toon
    if gini has crackin second half to the season then ya right keeping him will be hard,but if he does theres every chance we’ll still be a prem league side, so that changes a few things…..al ifs and buts at min tho!lol

  • 40 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:45 PM

    Blackley

    I don’t think Colo is up to the job, I just don’t scapegoat hin for every goal conceded, your argument is based on ifs and buts, if you watch a game back you could point to ifs and buts 100 times plus but it means sweet fa…..because it never happened!!

    Wow they had 2 players free on the back post that didn’t affect the play, let’s blame the defence and midfield. Let’s forget the fact the man between the sticks let’s it go through his hands….the goalkeeper is your last line of defence, if any team defended as well as you expect us to then they wouldn’t need a keeper. I’ll stick to my opinion that you have no clue about football and you can stick to your opinion.

    I’m happy to disagree with you and you are happy to disagree with the vast majority

  • 41 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:48 PM

    Nearly

    Gini joined us as we are a stepping stone, no matter who signs for us they’ll do so with the intentions of moving on to something better….unless you are Williamson or colback as this is the sky….the limit, glass ceiling

    Springy – true if we stay up he could stay, would be a shocker if he did though!!

  • 42 Blackley and Brownlie // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:48 PM

    Our Toon
    I note how you say it should work. And that would be fine if everyone is covered in the middle. In this case WBA players were competing with each other on the edge of our 6 yard box in front of goal. It is nothing like the scenario you describe.

    What did Colo do to prevent that goal bearing in mind he had Gini and Colback nearer to the winger than him, albeit nowhere close enough themselves to be doing much? If the winger had advanced towards goal, they were there to close him down but the winger wasn’t the major threat.

    Anyway, I give up on you now because you’ve shown you know nowt about defending, even though you put out that you have all the credentials. It doesn’t take a coaching manual or years of CB experience to see how badly organised we are defensively and why we are heading towards relegation. JIB would have us believe it’s all bad luck. No there are reasons why you concede goals so often and keep losing games.

  • 43 SPRINGY // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    nearly
    key words in your comment “if we started showing some ambition that is being promised”….gini might have been given the same promise and unless the club pull there fingers oot there arses sign decent players and then all the players and staff start kicking arse on the pitch…he’ll want to move on

  • 44 Transfer Sage // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:51 PM

    Watching the goal back just there the marking is terrible. Colo is in no man’s land, he isn’t really marking the near post cross at all.

    He is not the only one though, we have 3/4 players stood marking thin air while they overload the back post with runners.

    Regardless of all this the keeper was at fault, he should have saved that. He was poor all game…might be nerves but you can’t afford to let them affect you at that level.

  • 45 Blackley and Brownlie // Dec 30, 2015 at 5:57 PM

    Transfer @ 44
    Spot on. Thank you. Which coaching manual have you been reading? How much CB experience have you had to be able to spot that?

  • 46 Transfer Sage // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:00 PM

    Blackley

    I’d rather not get involved with your argument with others but that’s just my opinion on the goal.

    It’s a common theme, we tend to mark space and not men, something we have been terrible at for a long time now.

    Colo wasn’t too far out of position this time but he still wasn’t in the right place. All too often you see him charging out to do the fullbacks instead of his own.

    The problem is we don’t play as a team, nobody really helps each other in defence or attack hence why we are ineffective at both.

  • 47 angelswithdirtyfaces // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    For what its worth I reckon the WBA goal should have been a Darlow save but the guy was given a bit of a freebie and not put under any pressure at all – so defensively also an error.

    Sometimes both sides in an argument can be (partially) right – even in footie. 🙂

  • 48 John Tudor // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:08 PM

    keeper is the last to blame everything should have been done to stop the attempt but yes it was a bread and butter save
    he obviously had marge on his gloves

  • 49 nearly // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:15 PM

    our toon

    some players have used us as a stepping stone no doubt
    these are players that people didnt really know much about and the bigger clubs didnt want to take the chance on them

    gini was a different keetlle of fish he knew the crack from the start he was at the ground every time he had time off , he was wanted by some big clubs but he choose us WHY ,clubs knew what they were gunna get he was the player of the year in holland not a maybe he can do it maybe not

  • 50 Blackley and Brownlie // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:15 PM

    John Tudor
    Exactly the point I’ve been trying to make to OurToon and NUFC 83.

    The keeper is the last to blame. On another day Fletcher or another WBA player would easily have headed it sweetly with Elliot or any other keeper given no chance.

    Jib talks about bad luck. But the more you trust to luck, the more of the bad variety you will attract. Jib fails to see the connection.

  • 51 Transfer Sage // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:15 PM

    angels and john

    Agree with you, the defence was poor but that will happen during the game which is why you need a solid keeper…elliott would have kept that out no bother.

    Darlow tried but couldn’t control his nerves, affected his game and decision making throughout. Hopefully he learns from it and settles down if called upon again.

  • 52 Transfer Sage // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:18 PM

    Blackley

    Agree on luck, there is a reason top teams get a lot of luck.

    People think he only reason man utd got a lot of penalties under alex ferguson was due to his influence….it might have been partly that but the greater part was that they consistently attacked the box….if you do that defenders will make bad tackles eventually.

    Same with leicester having the most pens this season, the have pace and skill driving into the box, defenders can’t handle that over 90 minutes.

  • 53 toon down south // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:19 PM

    If we continue to sign unproven players in the premiership, we will go down. When will these idiots at Newcastle Utd realise that. Their plan doesn’t work, and the team has declined season after season.

  • 54 lordy_geordie // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:20 PM

    @3 Shevchenko had no prem experience, best striker on the planet at the time, o wait nope he was a flop

  • 55 John Tudor // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:22 PM

    he should not be at that level if he cant make bb saves and is as nervous as that ffs he is meant to be a pro and should have confidence but if he is continually let down by badly organised defences it would drain away,his was gone from the start

  • 56 John Tudor // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:24 PM

    the pl don’t want ashley’s circus in the league
    just wait till the fa don’t want him in the championship

  • 57 Transfer Sage // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:24 PM

    Experience is important…it’s the same as anything in life. The more you know about it and the more you practice the better you can get.

    Using torres as an example isn’t the best, he returned from a bad injury and had lost his pace, part of the reason he was poor at chelsea. Also the fee and expectation level seemed to really play on his mind.

    I think it’s the same as anything, some people adapt really quickly, others take more time, some never will. Basically you need to consider:

    1. does the player have the physical attributes to play in the premier league

    2. is he mentally able to adapt to the culture and different challenges

    3. is he going into a team which plays to his strengths or who are playing good/bad football

    loads of variables to consider.

  • 58 nearly // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:25 PM

    springy

    you dont say ur missing my point do you really think gini came here thinking this will turn itself around in 1 season i dont think so ,he came on the promise that the club will be doing big things over time and yes if it doesnt work of course he will want to leave

  • 59 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:27 PM

    Blackley

    Love the way you keep persisting with the debate and picking out little snippets of people’s comments. Stick to the armchair buddy

    If you defend for 95mins you’ll concede a key chance at some point when that happens your keeper had to ensure he’s not beaten easily. That was the initial debate, which has since escalated into other facets of the game. Still dealing in if and buts though, if on another day fletcher had a free header and elliot was in goal….blah blah blah.

    It wasn’t another day, elliot wasn’t in goal and the keeper should have saved it. Think everyone agrees with the latter part. What you don’t understand is that a defence works as a unit moving side to side and pushing up or back in sync. The goal was scored by a midfielder after Colo blocked the initial shot, the cross comes in and unfortunately young Darlow makes a howler. The person to blame is the midfielder who didn’t track the run of fletcher and the keeper for the fumble…In my opinion!!

    You are entitled to yours of course….so ill repeat, we’ll agree to disagree but something tells me you aren’t blue in the face yet!!

  • 60 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:31 PM

    JT

    Agreed mate its a badly organised defence but if the keeper is nervous a badly organised defence becomes more jittery….2 way street.

    Stoke are believed to have 1 of the best defences in the prem based on clean sheets, look at the stats in more detail and you’ll find Butland has been one of the busiest keepers in the league.

  • 61 Tsunki // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:38 PM

    I think the most important thing to be learned about the goal we conceded at West Bromwich is that as it was ultimately down to a momentary mistake by the goalkeeper, there are no lasting lessons to be learned on a team basis for use in the future, therefore it’s a complete waste of time having any kind of discussion about it. Congratulations to all who participated.

  • 62 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:40 PM

    Lordy Geordie

    That was the point I made mate, it doesn’t matter how good you are or whether you have prem experience or not, everything needs to be right including things behind the scenes. Shevchenko was a flop but Torres was a bigger flop who cost more money in wages and transfer fee yet had prem experience.

    Doesn’t matter how good you are if all isn’t right and the team don’t play to your strengths you’ll not be successful….for every Shevchenko though you’ll have a Sanchez, Aguero, van Nistilroy etc etc who’ll defy the must have prem experience brigade.

    Bony class at Swansea, poor at Citeh, Benteke very good at a struggling villa, piss poor at Liverpool. Lovren different class at Southampton piss poor at Liverpool. Shaun Wright Philips class at Citeh o think it was, dud when he moved to Chelsea and never recovered. Ireland class at Citeh dud ever since. Adebayor class at Arsenal dud everywhere else, Jose Enrique class for us dud at Liverpool.

    Prem experience counts for nothing!! If you are good enough and the environment is right you’ll do well

  • 63 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:41 PM

    Tsunki

    Agreed

  • 64 Transfer Sage // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:42 PM

    Our toon

    Butland has been amazing this year, come on so much.

    I never trust stats on busiest keeper though….depends where he is making saves. Is he doing a lot of close range stuff or are the defence so good that he just deals with basic long shots.

    But you are right….a solid keeper is essential as with the attacking quality in most teams now he will be tested a few times each match.

  • 65 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:45 PM

    TS

    These are stats of saves made from 1 on 1 chances and shots in the box, agreed on him though he’s been different class….he’ll give Hart good competition. Forster has also made his return….should have kept that lad

  • 66 Transfer Sage // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:52 PM

    Our toon

    Very impressive then, he has been on fine form. I think Hart needs somebody to push him, keep him improving all the time as well.

    I disagree slightly with you on the experience issue though. I think it does help, it’s always good to know the league and the opposition you will be playing, less so now with the amount of video analysis as you will get a lot more instructions drilled into you so not much should surprise you.

    ultimately you are right though, if you join a team which doesn’t suit you the amount of experience is irrelevant as you don’t have much chance to succeed.

  • 67 nearly // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    our toon

    i may be wrong but i get the feeling your the armchair fan .darlow was a fault for the goal yes ,but there were big mistakes leading up to it blackley is right aswell, in my opion he is never far away from the truth yet you say he knows nothing about football ,i dont agree and i think you are the one that has limited knowledge about football

  • 68 Jib // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    Tsunki
    Good point well made.

    I stood back from the debate.

    I said bad luck was a contributory factor – nada mas nada menos.

    With more prep time Darlow would have benn fine I’m sure , but he had no time to prepare mentally.

    Blackley when he gets his teeth into a point is a bit like a terrier with a rat.

    On another point altogether I rather hoped SM would bring in Will Hughes as our Delli Ali signing but his recovery from an ACL injury sustained in August has taken longer than hoped.

  • 69 Blackley and Brownlie // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:59 PM

    OurToon
    A good defence does work as a unit. You’re right there. However, we were at sixes and sevens when we conceded. The unit was AWOL. It couldn’t be further from the textbook scenario you describe. And it wasn’t as if we were caught on the break and had no time to organise.

    I don’t know where you played football but I do know that two good centre backs would protect the centre and organise others to close down. They’d have dealt with it no sweat and without a hair out of place, intimidating Fletcher with a few verbals to boot.

    Did you see Colo on another occasion rushing out to tackle the winger? The winger skins him, puts in a cross and Darlow saves the shot. Many teams play with big centre forwards like Anichebe, Lukaku, Mbokani, Carroll, Benteke. You need powerful CB’s to stand up to these players. Colo can’t handle it. So he shirks it. He’d much rather be marking space a dealing with a winger.

  • 70 optimistic prime // Dec 30, 2015 at 6:59 PM

    My over riding thoughts on Darlow against WBA are WTF.

    At first I thought he’s nervous I’ll give him the benifit, on further thought he’s a expirienced 1st team keeper. Fare enough it was his PL debut but he looked terrified! Why?

    He doesn’t look the strongest fellow either.

    IMO his display was ridiculous and I can’t understand how or why he was as nervous considering his first team expirience and age, very poor!

  • 71 nearly // Dec 30, 2015 at 7:00 PM

    our toon

    jose enrique class for us, i rest my case

  • 72 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 7:09 PM

    Blackley

    Well done you get the last say!! 🙂

  • 73 damma99 // Dec 30, 2015 at 7:10 PM

    Newcastle new signing. Shteeeve comment on Manuel Riviere. For gods sake nooooooooooooooo.

  • 74 Jib // Dec 30, 2015 at 7:10 PM

    Clattermole is back for the scum v the bindippers
    Gotta be worth a daft tenner for a red card 😀

  • 75 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 7:15 PM

    Nearly

    Did you read anywhere that I said it was defended well buddy? Because I didn’t recall saying we defended the goal really well!! I recall typing that the keeper made a big error which cost us the game…..ultimately it’s the most crucial error.

    The goalkeeper is the last line of defence, if he’s going to beaten that easily then we might as well not bother stepping on the pitch!!

  • 76 Jib // Dec 30, 2015 at 7:16 PM

    Elliot doubtful for the Emirates
    A stomach bug

  • 77 Tsunki // Dec 30, 2015 at 7:22 PM

    Oh well hopefully Karl will be over his jitters and put some sticky on his gloves in time for his cannon fodder stint against the Gunners 🙂

  • 78 Tsunki // Dec 30, 2015 at 7:24 PM

    Roll on the end of the January Transfer Window. I think it’s only then that we can say for sure whether we are truly screwed or not. My guess will probably be….

  • 79 Jib // Dec 30, 2015 at 7:25 PM

    Hey Karl if you thought West Brom had a few shots just wait until you get to North London

  • 80 John Tudor // Dec 30, 2015 at 7:25 PM

    hope he sat with darlow on the way back

  • 81 Jib // Dec 30, 2015 at 7:31 PM

    Komm on Korporal Klopp Klipp der Mackems 😀

  • 82 banjax // Dec 30, 2015 at 7:36 PM

    Two criteria for signings in January
    Are they at least better than our current best ?
    Are they up to premiership speed ?
    If not – forget it !

  • 83 lesh // Dec 30, 2015 at 7:42 PM

    Our Too

    If they ship McClaren out, who do you realistically suggest would replace him? Cathro? Kinnear?

  • 84 lesh // Dec 30, 2015 at 7:46 PM

    Agent of Target? What target??

    We know Ashley’s moves off by heart – make silly bids knowing they’ll not be accepted and lo, ‘We tried but couldn’t get them over the line’.

    They mst think we’re all dead between the ears

  • 85 Moonraker15 // Dec 30, 2015 at 7:49 PM

    Rivière is in training and “like a new signing”!
    FFS McClaren I don’t think I’ll be watching any more if we don’t make substantial signings. The sad thing is we know SMc won’t get the sack like Pardew this is the first club in history that doesn’t sack failures. And isn’t it funny that whenever we’re selling a player it goes through smoothly but buying players is such a long drawn out shambles !

  • 86 SPRINGY // Dec 30, 2015 at 7:52 PM

    nearly
    gini might of came knowing that this was long term building project and thats fair enough and if he did good on the lad… but i doubt very much he would of thought we’d be this bad and in this situation,not many,if any did…. as it stands now we look a million miles away from what he probably thought we were going to be,a mid table side aiming for top half….and if the club dont make signings and get themselves sorted he will feel like he’s been lied to..and a football career is to short to messed about….and we’ll lose another talent to the bull of this club….thats all i was trying to say…granted not very well…my bad

  • 87 lesh // Dec 30, 2015 at 7:54 PM

    Jib

    McClaren’s no doubt been told to use what he’s got before any signings are even considered.

    Any manager that comes here us clearly not trusted by Charnley and told to use existing (scheidt) resourses – in this case Riviere just in case they prove good enough.

    Meanwhile, more points are lost and……

    Charnley’s clearly frightened to phart without Ashley’s ok. Pathetic!

  • 88 Blackley and Brownlie // Dec 30, 2015 at 8:03 PM

    Nearly
    I too get the impression that OurToon knows nothing about football. I am surprised at Tsunki though. It’s a pity Sky haven’t done an analysis.

  • 89 Tsunki // Dec 30, 2015 at 8:08 PM

    What have I said to surprise you Blackley? Was it the stuff about Baba Ganoush?

  • 90 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 8:11 PM

    Lesh

    It’s a good question, I’d go foreign in terms of coach, Emery or former Chile manager, but we both know that won’t happen….If they do make a change expect Moyes!!

    Tsunki – what have you done to upset Mr blue in the face?

  • 91 Blackley and Brownlie // Dec 30, 2015 at 8:12 PM

    Tsunki
    Your comment @61. Nothing to be learnt? We defended like the keystone cops, man. You sound like Makro.

  • 92 welshgeordie9 // Dec 30, 2015 at 8:12 PM

    Why is Everyone still moaning about darlows mistake, get over it, it’s done and gone, besides when was the last time he played, must have been nervous as hell, ffs.

  • 93 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 8:18 PM

    Must be the same armchair as the “pundits” as they’ve all blamed Darlow but you are right buddy.

    Anyway off to watch star wars….hopefully it’s more entertaining than reading Blackley blame everyone but the keeper comments!!

  • 94 Our Toon // Dec 30, 2015 at 8:20 PM

    Welsh

    Hope all is well at home buddy with your dad!!

  • 95 Tsunki // Dec 30, 2015 at 8:29 PM

    Blackley and you come across as a myopic loon if you read that comment as me changing course on my opinion. Or even think it meant anything more than ” we lost, I’m over it, moving on.”

    Find another hobby that doesn’t involve wind milling at everyone who doesn’t want to indulge your view of our defensive frailties.

    As for me, I believe all and I mean all our problems stem from the most bizarre, inept and cobbled midfield in the league. All the other stuff is an extension of that. Critique that if you want.

  • 96 welshgeordie9 // Dec 30, 2015 at 8:30 PM

    Our Toon

    He’s fine thanks mate, chemo starts next thursday.

  • 97 lochinvar // Dec 30, 2015 at 8:50 PM

    Liverpool 1-0 at Mackems
    Benteke 40 odd seconds into second half

  • 98 Tsunki // Dec 30, 2015 at 8:51 PM

    The mackem plan is running along nice and smoothly.

  • 99 Rotonda heights // Dec 30, 2015 at 8:56 PM

    our toon

    chile manager would be amazing, never happen , deadly dull moyes will be up next in our endless treadmill of dullard brit only managers

  • 100 jimmysmith // Dec 30, 2015 at 8:56 PM

    I also think our defensive problems stem from a lack of creative distribution out of central midfield and also down the left flank. We hang in there pretty admirably, but don’t create enough and so don’t score enough. We’ve missed Haidarra, and a diamond midfield formation of Tiote, Sissoko, Widjnaldum, and De Jong, would I think have created and scored more, and held it’s own better. Colo gets plenty of stick, but look how much work he has had to do, and he’s done plenty right. He’s been a ball playing CB, in a side that probably has often required a more industrial one in his time here, but that’s hardly been his fault.

  • 101 Rotonda heights // Dec 30, 2015 at 8:58 PM

    imagine charnley telling ash he wanted the chile manager when neither of them even know who he is! desperate stuff.

  • 102 Rotonda heights // Dec 30, 2015 at 9:01 PM

    lesh at 84

    sadly 50000 prove them right every home game.

  • 103 Blackley and Brownlie // Dec 30, 2015 at 9:05 PM

    Tsunki
    I’m not reading it like that.

  • 104 jimmysmith // Dec 30, 2015 at 9:08 PM

    Normally I’d want Sunderland to stay up and even do well, but under the circumstances, f@ck em!

  • 105 Blackley and Brownlie // Dec 30, 2015 at 9:08 PM

    It’s the same old failing last month as it was the month before and it will be the same old next month if we don’t act now.

  • 106 colwell // Dec 30, 2015 at 9:15 PM

    I’m quite glad Manu is coming back, he works his a$$ off has a decent amount of pace and could work very well with Mitro.

    Lets face it nothing else to lose especially as Mac can’t even be honest saying we’ve been unlucky in past 3 games what a pr1ck. As long he continues to play 442 with 2 dm’s we will go down.

  • 107 Tsunki // Dec 30, 2015 at 9:26 PM

    OK then Blackley then I’m not worried about your disappointment. Job done.

  • 108 WWSBRD // Dec 30, 2015 at 9:33 PM

    Am sure Rivi was back in training a few weeks ago?

    A striker who can’t score is just what we need though, can we not just batter our eyelashes at Remy? I’d back him to score enough to keep us up

  • 109 Munster Mag // Dec 30, 2015 at 9:40 PM

    Hackers lost 0,1 whew

  • 110 Mag52 // Dec 30, 2015 at 9:54 PM

    Our Toon.

    What on earth is it with you and Darlow ?
    A goalie’s mistake usually costs his team a goal, whereas an outfielder can get away with any number of them, and most of a them will be forgotten at the at the final whistle. It could easily be argued that Mitro lost us the game when he missed his header.
    All goalies make mistakes from time to time. LLoris against us a few games ago, and he is a top international ‘keeper.
    Darlow, playing in a team lacking in confidence, and playing in front of the biggest crowd he has ever had, must, if he’s normal, have been pretty nervous, and, in those circumstances, he put in a good performance.
    Get off his back for goodness sake.

  • 111 lochinvar // Dec 30, 2015 at 10:00 PM

    So Rivi is a new signing – has McLaren found Pardew’s long lost diary – or is he just reading Bridget Jones ?
    Either way we can expect more drivel – Happy New Year !

  • 112 Belfast // Dec 30, 2015 at 10:17 PM

    You do know the injured player being like a new signing line is basically code for no new signing in that position? 🙂

  • 113 U.S Magpie // Dec 30, 2015 at 10:23 PM

    Sorry isn’t this the guy with a 8 million clause in his contract. If another club comes in with the 8 needed, if he wants to leave they have to honor that. So why the phuck are we offering 6????

  • 114 Moonraker15 // Dec 30, 2015 at 10:31 PM

    We can’t rely on Elliott long term as he only seems capable of playing 2 or 3 games before needing a rest like last Monday ! Some goalies go a whole season without missing a game but we have a bunch of wimps!
    I’m sure Rivière has been training for weeks and Aaron’s! Wtf is going on at the misfit club?

  • 115 Moonraker15 // Dec 30, 2015 at 10:37 PM

    Think it’s 8m euros 6m quid release clause; but agree we always try to be clever buggers and miss out like with Deli Alli, Bony and many many more!

  • 116 davis_toons // Dec 30, 2015 at 11:24 PM

    @100
    Agreed with you jimmy.




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